Misterio en la montaña _ Incidente Khamar Daban || Relatos del lado oscuro (Podcast)

0:00 Campism. It can be a very pleasant experience. Traveling to the mountainous areas, exploring on the banks of some beautiful river can be a great experience. However, it can also be very dangerous. Proof of this is the file of the atlov passage of which we have a video out there on the channel and which does not stop surprising us. But it doesn' t stop surprising us that that' s not the only case that hides something beyond. I invite you to stay with us tonight, because tonight we' re going to talk about the Kamar Daban file, stories from the dark side, strange beings, happening is inexplicable stories that other minds prefer to ignore. Let me take you back. In the early part of the year one thousand nine hundred and ninety- three in a certain region of Siberia, in the district of Ikursk,

1:34 in the city of Petrovlovsk, a group of young people is preparing for an excursion. It' s not winter. Obviously, the excursion will take place in August, about eight months later. However, camping expeditions tend to be prepared with a lot of time, especially because these people are part of groups of camping, hiking or various things that require permits, updates, training. A guide has to be presented Let' s go. It is complicated to prepare one of these trips, because entering the mountains is always dangerous.

2:21 These young people are going to go to a region south of Lake Baical, in an area known as Camar da Ván, a beautiful area full of rivers. It also has some mountains and some peaks not very high. Some of these peaks are two thousand three hundred meters above sea level. Keep in mind that Mexico City is two thousand and two hundred. So it' s not that bad. It is certainly an excursion that would be considered more or less grade four or three. It is not the most adventurous, because a grade six excursion involves a greater risk. Only persons with certain qualifications could be authorized to do so. In this case it is a group of young people, some of them very young. The main guide is liuda, if you allow me, In this program we will not mention the full names or surnames of the people involved out of respect and also out of consideration, no full name will be mentioned. Liuda is the guide. She' s a forty- one- year- old woman. She' s a woman who' s been camping for over 20 years. He has a master' s degree in mountain sports, has several records, has numerous expeditions everywhere and specifically to the region, to the Kamar Daván mountain range. He' s got a great

3:53 experience. You know what the routes are, you know how to make this more entertaining. She knows the milestones of the road and is also a very prepared woman. She has an amazing physical condition at age forty- one with a daughter of sixteen. She is a single, working woman who attends a school where she is also a camp teacher. Da courses is a personajazo. Besides, she has the respect of a lot of people, because she' s the kind of woman she demands as a teacher. He demands because he knows what his students are going to face. It' s not anything. In the Siberian region temperatures can be incredibly low. The coldest spot on the planet is there where the coldest inhabited village is in Siberia. So the people who travel make scale campism in these regions have to be very well prepared, both physically and psychologically. That is where this capacity as a widow comes in to demand from her young students, but also to give them much preparation.

5:02 It' s eight months. It looks like a huge distance, but in those eight months. Not only is the route being prepared, provisions are being prepared or permits are being requested, the group has to have internal cohesion. Tremendous. One of the girls who is going to accompany you is not much of a widow' s liking, because on some previous trip you had a crisis. During the trip he got tired and didn' t want to go on. However, because the family has asked for help and so on, it has been accepted. That is why so much work is being done. The group has to be very integrated, very united. They all walk at the same time, they all help each other, they all play and joke, but they all have to form a luud group. You know perfectly well.

5:57 One of its strongest members is from this or team is Sasha. Sasha ' s 23 years old. It' s incredibly strong. He' s a very very robust guy. While he' s not a giant, if he' s an athlete with a spectacular physical condition, swimming kayak background race, let' s go a tipazo. In addition, he is a very trusted widow’ s guide. This boy started working with her from the age of twelve, that is, they are at least ten or eleven years old hiking, mountaineering. Together there is full widow trust. He' s got it like he' s his own son. Tatiana is also found. Twenty - four years, multiple climbs, multiple expeditions, has been with luda on three or four occasions. Besides these are very well- prepared people. Then come the Dennis boys. Dennis is 19 years old athletic, gleaned, cheerful, excellent walking excellent athlete, a lot of experience. He' s also been with luda on other trips. Valia Valia is a young woman who works in the countryside, is a farmer' s daughter, is a daughter from a time near perestroicaa, but still reached a Soviet period. So she' s very trained, very athletic, very strong. She' s used to this. He lives near the region. He' s been in the mountains many times when he was seventeen. She' s a real athlete. It ' s not very high, it' s not very robust, but it

7:30 ' s incredibly strong. Victory is also found. What they call sixteen years a beautiful girl, with an incredible smile, with a terrific temperament. She ' s not the best athlete of all. She' s not the strongest. However, it has a very good attitude and this group has been very well integrated. Even if they don' t have to meet to train, they usually talk to others, they even play some other sports, even if they don' t have a relationship. And the smallest is Timour, a boy of origin from the Mongol region who also has a family historical history of mountaineering. This kid born in the mountains, grew up in the mountains, He' s used to Siberian winter, he' s used to all this.

8:22 He' s really very good at what he does. He has an incredible physical condition and knows many secrets of the mountain, all of them by themselves have guided groups in other expeditions. So they' re not exactly rookies While organizing everything, other groups also go to the same area. A kind of general event has been organized in such a way that many groups are going to go in the summer to this same region and specifically in the same days. It' s kind of a competition. In fact, the daughter of Liuda herself, who is sixteen years old, no one is going to lead another group that is going to follow that same route. They' re not going together. Obviously, everyone leads their own way, because if it is not funny, but they will find themselves at a certain point in the way and from there they will follow a third group, which is considered the support group. It follows another path and the fact is that they all meet at the same point and from there they go on until they reach the end of the route. It' s a tour that will take about ten days.

9:28 It' s not anything. It' s 70 kilometers of hiking and mountain. These are very impressive places. The bank of the river is full of vegetation of life, there is cold crystal clear water. Don' t lose sight of the fact that we' re in Siberia. This isn' t the tropics. Here even in the summer it can be cold, but the landscapes are amazing. As they go into the mountain. The forests are left behind and the peaks reach a steep area. The peaks are particularly arid. There is very low vegetation, a lot of rock, the wind blows very loud and the nights can become incredible. A totally starry awning in the winter, temperatures can be less than fifty degrees, but in the summer the temperatures in the wooded area can be about twenty degrees Celsius, quite comfortable, quite pleasant. When you reach the top of the mountains, the wind can cause the temperature to drop a little, but in a normal summer the temperatures are eighteen twenty degrees. When liuda is preparing all this it is expected that it can be cold inside the equipment. Not only do they carry supplies for two thousand four hundred calories a day. This is one thing that is calculated.

10:52 It' s not by chance that I throw a lot of stuff into my suitcase and walk away. Feeding is not calculated on these expeditions. It' s calculated to give two thousand four hundred calories. But also, with practical products from canned meat, cereals, chocolate bars, tea flours. It takes a generous supply of water. Pills are taken for different things, from fevers malaise of altitude, because even when the height is not so considerable to two thousand three hundred meters above sea level, if you get to feel some discomfort for people who are not used to this, the evil of height and you lose some capacity is affected to the breathing. People get tired more easily.

11:41 So there may be some predictions, but liuda knows that in the upper part of the mountains, the wind can be particularly cold, so they are equipped, they wear camp boots, they wear inside under the outer clothes, they wear a kind of leggins or clothes adjusted to the body above, they wear loose clothes, wool shirts, they wear windbreakers and, although they are not prevented for a winter snow storm, much less if they carry, for example, plastics, a series of thick polyethylene sheets with which one can not cover a kind of raincoats. The tents are also waterproof. They carry slipping bugs and, just in case you always take something that is known as primus grill, a small burner that is inserted in a compressed gas tank and that serves in case of an extreme wind to heat meals, to heat the environment, etc. They' re very preventable. Families have a lot of confidence in widows. She has guided groups for years when August came, everything is ready, everything is perfect. On August 2nd the group moved to it until arriving at a place known as Morino. Morino is the last station on the train.

13:05 From there the tour will begin. The weather is great. The weather part that has been ordered two days before reports that it will be sunny and very clear, which means an excellent mountain hike. They begin to walk and, indeed, the result is tremendous. They start walking and advance beautifully. Every smile sun see them, they are full of life, they are very happy. These images that I share with you now reflect that. A group of happy young people happy doing things, walk to the edge of a river.

13:46 After a few kilometers they begin to enter the forest that surrounds the river and begin the ascent. Everything' s going very well. According to forecasts made well in advance. You have four meals a day. Why I' m telling you all this. It' s important. Make me four meals a day on the way. In addition, they also take some small extra supplies. For example, at a certain time while walking you can eat a chocolate, you can eat a snack snax cookie. Let' s call him. The fact is that they also carry a generous supply of water that is replenished in the river before they depart. From there the bags are bags of camping and they are prevented. Everything' s going perfectly well. The weather is great. There are jokes, there are laughs, there are games, four of August of a thousand nine hundred ninety- three have reached the peak known as retrans Liatov two thousand two hundred fifty meters above sea level. They camp there and for their bad luck, it starts to rain. A storm from South Mongolia has begun to reach the area and the rain has begun.

15:13 They' re in heights, if the rain is too cold, it' s torrential. In fact, in the cities in the lower part it has caused flooding because it is copious, incredibly copious and very cold. Even though it is summer and would be expected in temperatures of twenty degrees, the reality is that nightfall is about four degrees. The rain has been very intense, even before they can establish the camp as they go down, because they have already reached the peak they were now going down, They have wet a lot and the ground is very slippery to the point where liuda chooses not to reach the forest, but to look for an intermediate point where to establish a camp and stay there. He knows that, under those conditions, with constant pertinent rain, the floor incredibly slippery. Not only is it exhausting for young people, but it is also very dangerous. They' re wet, they' re cold, they' re hungry, they' re very tired because in addition, the things they carry with the water have become heavier before the end of dusk they set up a camp. They are about two hundred or three hundred meters from the next peak, where there is also an old relay station, an ancient repeater of the rest of the Soviet Union from the years of the Soviet Union. This place, however, is not the ideal place to camp In that everyone agrees. It' s on a hillside near the beak.

16:45 There' s no trees around, there' s no protection, and the wind is rushing through the night. Young people remain inside tents, unable to set fire. The wind is very intense and there is a lot of rain. But in addition, the site as such does not contain much vegetation. So there' s no firewood, so they cook that night using the prime grill is the only fire tool they have. They eat and rest the night. It' s tremendous. It' s so cold. Obviously, they' re very wet at dawn, they' re incorporated and they' ve been camping a little. They get to light a fire, have breakfast and then. They pick things up, roll up the slipping backs, pick up the tents. There is still drizzle so these polyethylene plastic sheets are placed that wrap them like raincoats and start the descent. They' re a little more stocked up. After having been able to eat something hot and they walk to the fucking meeting, is the valid young Valía of seventeen years, goes as tip of the group. After him follows Denis, Victoria after, in the end comes Sasha Alexandra, the strong young man of twenty years, is

18:19 the one of confidence, it is the one that carries most of the luggage. He' s a very strong man, very reliable in every way. It' s the last one in line. They are advancing the ground is still very wet, very skitish so they advance with difficulty. The tipper Valia Valentina moves a little faster than the others because it is light. She is a light, thin young woman, small her weight, allows her to advance a little bit more without the risk of skating, without sinking into the mud, etcetera. However, Sasha, the last in the row, who is heavier and carries more luggage, is the one who has the most work to go forward and that makes it take a little longer. It' s around 11: 00 in the morning. Already fully clarified. There' s already some sun. Some clouds have dissipated, even though everything is still very wet and more rain is coming. The fact is that at that time they suddenly get to hear a scream. It' s a weird scream. It' s a cry of pain, but at the same time it' s a cry that comes out very deep in the chest. It' s not the classic scream of someone who twists to the foot, but a heartbreaking scream.

19:34 Widow the group guide. The forty- one- year- old woman turns and observes that the last in line, Sasha, her dear, Sasha, her child who has accompanied her all her life, is holding her neck and screaming. As he rotates and makes strange movements, she runs to him while he plummets, falls to the ground. Liuda quickly approaches and the rest of the group leaves the bags aside, leaves the sleeping bags aside and moves in that direction. The girl who is in front of Valentina in what takes away that takes a little while and returns walking only to see the distance that the liuda guide shakes strongly Sasha, who is lying on the floor. It has abundant foam in its mouth that mines through the corners and can distinguish something that fills it with fear. He' s bleeding from the eyes, the ear, the nose is all stained with blood, and he has severe seizures, but he doesn' t react. In addition, instants later stop moving completely widowed. He yells at him, tries to shake him, turns to the young and tells you to move forward. Advance those boys back to where Valia is, the seventeen- year- old girl in that direction. When they hear another scream similar to the first one and on this occasion is the luuda guide, when they turn around, it is shaking, it is on its

21:07 knees next to the body or Sasha. Having these rare convulsions and they come to distinguish how it begins to bleed from the eyes, how it begins to bleed from the ears and then falls abruptly on Sasha' s body motionless completely. As you watch this, suddenly two more of the group begin to do very strange things. Tatiana, twenty- four, a strong athlete who tries to reach out to her widow, comes running to touch her, to shake her, for something, but before she can do anything, she starts shaking herself, screaming, trying to grab her neck as if she wanted to untie herself, as if she could not breathe. He rips his clothes off, tries to tear off some of his clothes, shakes and falls to the floor.

21:55 It begins to crawl, but in a totally disconcerting act, it begins to hit a rock. As I' m telling you, there' s a rock in there and she starts hitting her head against that rock until it ' s totally motionless, unconscious. It doesn' t move a few meters from there is Dennis, Valia, Victorilla and Timur looking at each other, but before they can do anything. Suddenly Timur and Victoria begin to run, to run, to move, but erratically in a very rare attitude. As they hold their throats, they touch their faces, they hold on, they tear off clothes, and suddenly Dennis and Valia observe that when they begin to mine the blood on their faces. Both Timur and Victoria begin with spasms falling to the ground and stopping moving. Dennis pushes Valia and tries to get her away from there He tells her to run, to run. Downhill, let them run. They don' t know what it is Run. They' ve been behind some rocks all the time, run, run, and he himself tries to run after her, but very soon he begins to suffer the same convulsions. When Vallya turns, she looks at him with red eyes and starts dripping blood. All Dennis does at the time is push Valia down.

23:26 It pushes it with all its strength, making it slide and slide down the steep slope in the middle of the mud, and then fall off shaking and standing still. Valia gets to hold some of her luggage and walks away from there in the direction of the forest. The forest is already relatively close to a kilometer and a half, it gets there and hides. Stay there and bring with you your suitcase that you managed to hold. In the case of the suitcase is his sleeping bag, a tent, a plastic covering and some minor provisions. What I was wearing at the time waits and waits. He doesn' t dare look out there. He' s afraid to get out.

24:12 You don' t know what happened. He feels a terrible panic, which prevents him from moving. He doesn' t know what he saw. She' s not quite sure what she saw. Her senses are deceiving her At times she totally loses consciousness. He doesn' t know how long it ' s been, but suddenly it' s night and it' s so cold it' s starting to rain again, a kind of temporary shelter where the Dawn stays is alive. Surprisingly, she' s alive and she can ' t believe it herself. When it dawns and sees that she is alive, she collects her things and decides to go up and see what happened.

25:02 When he gets there, they' re all dead. Obviously, in the last places where she saw them they remain. Sasha, the strong man, is terit lying over there. On top of him is luuded the guide in this rare position was on his knees and he has gone off and they follow the same position. Tatiana is on the side with her head severely beaten against a rock. Dennis is right there where he pushed her. That' s it. He' s got blood drain. She' s got some kind of weird gesture on her face Valia' s 17- year- old, little freaked out by what she' s seeing. He doesn' t lose his mind or lose his mind. And what he does is close his eyes to the corpses, because they' re open- eyed. It closes the eyelids of all of them. Then he goes to the baggage of the guide, where he takes a plane, a compass, takes supplies, collects the remains of supplies of his companions, which he places in his own luggage and begins to walk. Not far. From there is the old relay station, the repeater a wooden structure that did not locate it. At the evening of that terrible moment of August 4, they could not locate her. Otherwise, they had gone to take refuge. There, in a safe place, he kept a sort of small cabin inside a sheltered hole, but when Valia arrives

26:32 at this place, he realizes a detail. Although the facility no longer operates, there is still a long row of poles that descend from the mountain towards the forests, it goes in and you can see it in the distance. She intuits that those posts must have carried somewhere. They were poles that fed electrical energy and probably with some kind of signal or something that repeater. So, how much they should carry somewhere. If there are poles, the poles must lead to a village and there you can ask for help. Start walking, but don' t lose sight that this is Siberia. Walking here is hard. The soil is still wet and as it progresses into the forest complex branches, fallen obstacles. The first day, overnight, you can make fire, you can eat something. The second day continues to walk, following the row of posts. It' s not easy. The third day arrives at the end of the line. The poles end up in an abandoned village.

27:41 It' s two or three cabins that are abandoned. There' s no one, now, there' s nothing. This was from the Soviet era of the 1960s or 1970s. It' s totally abandoned. There is no trace of anything left, overnight and protected by a cabin can be a little uer of fire, you can eat something else. It' s hot that night. The next morning he restarts the walk, hears the noise of a river nearby and knows that the river reaches somewhere. So he starts walking. By this time, when it reaches the riverbank. It' s August 9th.

28:22 He' s been wandering in the woods for several days, his supplies are running out. She' s very tired, she' s been exposed to the cold, she' s got her clothes hurt, dirty very dirty from the mud of the branches of all this. But when the river arrives, there is another problem. The river bank is really very difficult to walk because it is rocks and more rocks everywhere. In a very rare act and still in full use of his faculties. Valia starts taking things out of her back pack, from her suitcase, among others, takes out her lipien bach, the sleeping bag and spreads it over the weeds on the river bank.

29:06 This is the classic emergency camper signal. Something' s going on. That ' s why I put here my tent or my sleeping bag or something a blanket, something to let them know I' m in trouble. After that he washes his face with cold water from the river, washes himself a little and stands there. This is Siberia and even when it' s summer there aren' t many people. The campers moved on. In fact, Widow ' s daughter should have found her on day five. Not finding her, she went on her way thinking that they had been delayed and in order not to delay her own group, she moved on. So the other groups have already advanced. No one knows what has happened to the group of Valia and her friends and she is alone on the bank of a river in the middle of the absolute solitude and remains there. On August 10th of a thousand nine hundred and ninety- three, fortunately, a group of callaquis people who traveled in kayaks along the river rafting and hiking suddenly observe on the shore the slipping bach placed in the vegetation, a sign of a situation of risk. So they stop the march straight away, they watch a girl, because she looks

30:37 like a little girl. She' s skinny standing on the shore only in a shirt of little rays and her missing pants yell at her, signal her, but she doesn' t respond. One of the men who travels in the kayaks decides to bring his kayak there, but the current is strong. So you advance them and then you have to go back. It' s quite a period to come back, but she has a very great anxiety because that little girl standing there alone in the middle of nowhere is dead if they don' t pick her up. Alexander Kaminiski is one of the men who are in kayaks, in canoes, you are in these rafting ships, and he is the one who, in part of the group, approaches there.

31:23 They manage to get to where this young lady is who finally reacts when she sees them, but she can' t say much. He can' t say much. He hugs one of these men completely glued together, he keeps moving and he keeps crying. You see that it' s very cold, it has a kind of cough, precisely because of the exposure, it has a little fever, it' s also having chills. Obviously, he' s in shock. This girl is in shock. They can' t make the one that reacts at first. One of them carries with him an endowment of vodka to raise body temperature and give him vodka. She' d had a little drink at some party, but she' d never had a few drinks before. So she feels like she scrapes her throat and this makes her react a little bit. But in addition, the intake of vodka causes the body temperature to rise a little, makes it recover a little and manage to climb it in the kayak. But they are far from everything, far from everything at all. They' re in the middle of nowhere. The path these men are going to follow, in their boats, in their kayaks, will take them four days to reach the next town. They have provisions, no problem, they can take it, they speed up the pace and during those days they eat, they are replenished, they look a little better, but they are not right to say what happened. When they arrive in Sliudianka,

32:55 the only population on the way, they hand it over to the police, informing the local authorities that something happened. And that is when it becomes known that a tragedy had occurred, when she begins to explain to which group she belonged, it is known where the group departed, who they were, it is taken note of all this and a voice of alert is immediately given. But by the time all this happens, it' s already August 18. It' s been many days since that group had that. The young woman is still unable to explain well what happened. All you' re saying is they' re all dead, but he can' t even point out where they are. But in addition, the climate is beginning to deteriorate.

33:39 And it would not be until the twenty- first day, three days later, when a helicopter leaves in search of the injured hikers, of these injured hikers. At the same time, another group had also suffered a mishap and had been lost. So the helicopter' s looking for them, but it can' t find them. It would not be until the twenty- fourth day, when they happen to find the other group that is lost, they pick them up from the place where they are with the helicopter and while they make the maneuver and turn around to return, they locate the sinister group in the peak that close to the repeater. They distinguish them it is easy to wear colorful clothes. There are showy things. Sleep bags are colorful. The tents that were tied behind their backs are eye- catching. So they don ' t have much trouble going down or the show is terrible. What you find there is terrifying. The bodies are just like they died. There has been no alteration of the bodies. No one' s taken anything, except the eyes are gone. Obviously, the scavengers. The crows have devoured the eyes first. So there are no eyes. The bodies show peculiar signs, among others. They' re inflaming. The decomposition process has already begun for some time now and they are already in the next process, which is a process of that partial ponification, a kind of mummification that occurs when the temperature

35:12 is adequate, the environmental conditions are adequate. Decomposition does not occur in the same way that in tropical terrain they are inflamed. Obviously, rescuers realize other things. For example, in two of the bodies they are only in light clothes in the lower part, that is, they have removed brigatory clothes and are in a kind of leotard mayons leggins, as you want to love him. Three of them don' t have shoes or have lost one of the shoes. The stage is not flattering. They collect the bodies that are taken to the authorities where an autopsy is performed. However, the autopsy leaves many questions. The official report points out that Sasha, like the other youths in the group, had died of hypothermia and that they had presented paradoxical nudity That is why they had taken off their clothes. As for the guide, fight her not. She had died of a heart attack, a massive heart attack.

36:38 I had ended her up there in that position while I was trying to help Sasha. The following investigations determined that the guilt was a widow, who had risked the group. The guide had risked the group by making them camp on that hillside, where the wind was blowing in a frightening way. It was a tremendous good, there was a lot of moisture, they were very wet and it was very cold. That was the report. The bodies were handed over, buried and the matter ended there. However, Valia, the seventeen- year- old, Valentina would survive and some time later she would be able to describe once past, the post- traumatic stress disorder, the shock she had experienced, describing these scenes I have told her, these scenes where she saw people bleeding from the eyes, from the ears of the mouth, foaming, convulsions and dying suddenly. The description of this immediately began to awaken a lot of anxiety about the fact that a person dies of hypothermia has certain characteristics. In fact, pulmonary edemas are generated by freezing in the vessels of can pines, which ends by breaking and bleeding the person internally presents a very peculiar facial coloration. There are lesions from frostbite in the gastric mucosa and

38:13 lesions from frostbite also in the cerebral cortex, etcetera, etcetera. Paradoxical nudity was well embossed. It is a phenomenon that occurs when people in advanced hypothermia near death begin to undress. Even though they are suffering advanced hypothermia and are near death from the cold, they begin to take off their clothes. All of this bouncing off the stage, but not at all. For many, the case was an obvious case. The youths had climbed a mountain, got wet all night. They were wet, could not make fire, could not eat they were hungry, were weak exposed and died of hypothermia. Another detail is that during the autopsy The general review determined that they had a low protein issue. They had protein loss similar to a type of anemia due to poor nutrition, and this had been a concomitant factor for hypothermia to be galloping and end them. Case closed, if you want to see it, so is case closed. However, very soon voices began to emerge that said that is not so. The guide was a great one and an incredibly experienced woman was fully equipped. They had eaten four times a day more snacks or, as

39:45 you would call it, along the way, these people were not undernourished. They had been prepared for months and had only been raining for three days. At what point could there have been this poor nutrition. On the other hand, the first to fall was Sasha, the strong man, the most resilient, the most prepared for this. After that, Liuda had died of a heart attack and had, however, presented the same signs. There was bleeding from the ears, from the eyes of the nose, evidence that it was no longer there when the bodies recovered because it had rained and obviously, they had been washed. And these things, like foam and bleeding, had dissipated.

40:34 Many days had passed, but questions followed because she was so light, that she was not the strongest of the group even when she was an athletic girl, accustomed to work, who worked in very hostile environments because of her own family work. Why she had not suffered this, at least in an advanced degree. All I had was some kind of flu, a cold, a cold response, whatever you wanted to call a flu case, but I wasn' t in hypothermia condition, and I didn' t have any signs of hypothermia. It was cold, but it was logical. I was by a river in a wooded area. It made sense. The questions cannot be answered and the case is closed, of course, and many researchers are then still trying to ask themselves what really happened. And that' s where the mystery begins. The bodies showed no signs of violence. That' s obvious.

41:36 There were no physical injuries, except those that the victory itself had been made on the head, self- injured against the rock, not beaten as in the case of Atloven' s file, where there were very rare signs representing an assault. In this case there was no direct assault, no signs of violence, nothing was missing, there had been no theft, but there were also several questions. The group of no one to the daughter of Liuda was a few kilometers from there, in the same environmental conditions, with the same level of equipment, even with less preparation, because nobody was sixteen years old. She was very young, which reveals that this climb, this expedition, was not of high risk. Group three, the control group, was three kilometres beyond, in the same weather conditions, with less preparation, and did not suffer any damage. When the bodies were recovered, another group had strayed, which meant they had less chance of survival. They were lost and, however, found them alive. Why this group, which was so prepared, had good equipment even had primus stoves that allowed them to eat hot food even in the galley, even with the rain they could eat hot food using the small prime grills. Why these died. But besides, there was another

43:07 huge question. Why did it happen at eleven in the morning and not at three in the morning or at five in the morning shortly before dawn, when is the coldest moment? Why at eleven o' clock in the morning they suddenly died of hypothermia, when at eleven o' clock in the morning, according to the weather report of that day, at that time there was sun yes, it had rained copiously. There was probably ice because of the combination of height, rain and wind. It is likely that there was ice, that they were all very wet, but by eleven in the morning they had already had breakfast which revealed that they were conscious and in use of their faculties. Hypothermia neutralizes that, a person who is under the effects of hypothermia loses the use of his mental faculties, does not reason delusion sees things in this case had had breakfast. If Valia' s testimony is true, these people were in full use of their faculties and at eleven o' clock in the morning something killed them and then comes the possible theories. What happened to them?

44:15 The theory that he killed some spy or some group of spies because they saw something inappropriate. One of the hypotheses that were discussed at that time is that the young people witnessed some experiment of something that was being done and saw something that they shouldn' t have and that' s why they were killed. It doesn' t make much sense. Precisely in August and those days of August there were many tourists in this area. It is a place that is visited with a lot of regularity. In August, in the summer, when there are no classes, campers go up there because it is a beautiful walk. There were a lot of people because of it Valia survived because there were tourists in the river. They were tourists coming from Ukraine nor were they from the region. Then it is not ruled out that there would have been a macabre experiment that killed them hypothermia. That hypothesis, which is the official one, does not have much coherence either. So he explained something to her that they ate. There is a terrible possibility that, during the journey, while they were in the forest area, they would most likely have eaten things from the forest as part of their training. They had to collect from fungi roots, things that could be eaten, learned, distinguished, prepared, consumed and that would serve as food in the event of an expedition. It was a survival practice. However, they had left the forest long ago, at

45:49 least 24 hours outside the forest. Intake, for example, of a toxic fungus, affects within two to three hours. It' s too fast. He would have killed them even the very night they had eaten that made no sense of contaminated water. Contaminated water was one of the theories that have been handled most frequently, and is that the Bayal Lake on many occasions, during the tests that are done there, have been found, let' s say, high amounts of some toxic substances. Proof that certain regions of Siberia were tested from chemical tests, nuclear tests, etc, but did not reach that point. Proof of that is that people in kayaks didn' t die.

46:38 One of the strongest hypotheses that has been discussed is that they were exposed to a nerve agent, a neurotoxic gas. And that theory is a very strong and very interesting theory. You will see in the 1990s still being part of the Soviet Union in the process of determining Perestroika and becoming Russia and separating all this. There was still evidence of certain chemical warfare toxic agents. One of them was Novi Choc Five. I was in the process of testing. The Novi Chock had been designed and tested since the late seventies, but in the nineties and still up to ninety- one ninety- two, tests were carried out for the use of Novi chok five as a toxic agent for nervous people.

47:36 The effects of this toxic agent are terrible, because it inhibits neural connection. The different agents that make the nerve connection are inhibited and concentrated in other parts of the body, which causes people to suffer convulsions delusional hallucinations and, moreover, as it affects the blood circulation at the cerebral level, it causes bleeding by ear, nose and eyes, which hypothermia does not do. But the novi choc also has a unique peculiarity. It is water soluble, which means it can remain in water bodies for a long time. Their concentration, however, for example, in a lake or in a river quickly dissipates and does not become deadly or lethal in degree, which could be by direct contact.

48:31 However, if a test is performed and the agent remains on the ground, when the rain occurs it dissolves and when the next day there is the sun evaporates and since it is heavier that the air remains at ground level in low areas, the young may have been exposed to the novi crash accidentally, of course, there is no one who says so we were testing Novichak, but it is known that early in the early ninety- three, in the middle of Siberian winter, tests were done in the region. The theory that is currently believed to be more accurate is that this is not a mysterious case, it is not a paranormal case, but a case of human perversity.

49:22 The site could have been tested with some nerve agent, which was trapped in the snow, dissolved in the water, with the thaw integrated into the ground and with the rains, the sun the wind. At the worst moment When it begins to see a little heat, that morning of August 5, nine hundred and ninety- three, that begins to come off the ground and immediately thereafter. These young people walk toward a bag of this substance that fulminates Sasha. When Liuda approaches to try to help him, he sucks the same thing and kills her. When Victoria approaches, she kills her. When Tatiana approaches, she kills her, Liuda goes to the front. She' s moved a little further up and casually passed through this toxic bag, but the others haven' t. When Luda moves away, Dennis still receives this substance, which also begins to evaporate from the area where Widow is living because the next day the wind has dispersed. This is a theory. You can' t just assert a conspiracy theory. What is a fact is that six young people are dead in the following years from whom we have not intentionally revealed. A complete man, refused to give interviews, changed his home, went to live

50:53 in another region terrified by the ghosts chasing him. The ghosts I mean the terror, what horror he lived for. Many times they asked him if he was lying. She did not respond, it would not be, until a long time later near, to two thousand eighteen, when she would give an interview where she would narrate that that was what she saw. She saw that and described it, but then she hasn' t given interviews again. He refuses. He doesn' t want to know. It doesn' t mean anything. He doesn' t want to be asked doesn' t want to live that again They were friends and they' re dead. Another hypothesis that has been handled is that she suffered a hallucination. However, it would have been a very rare hallucination and a person who was exposed to hypothermia, who was already hallucinating and delirious would hardly have managed to go to the forest, survive, return, close his eyes, recover supplies, walk for four days, get to ask for help, etcetera, etcetera. His level of reasoning was full. I was conscious, lucid, thinking and acting. Something killed those young people and we most probably never know the truth. And now, to disperse the attention and atmosphere a little bit, I would like to send

52:24 some greetings Rosa Pérez and her co- workers, the girls who are always working. They work at Hollinger Metal Age in Virginia and listen to us while they' re working there in the United States, which we' re very happy to be able to accompany them to Nanny Grayer and she' s been around for years. So we sent him a big hug to gok upstairs. She sends many greetings to her children. Unfortunately he hasn' t been able to be with them in a few days and misses them so much. But everyone sees the show if we take advantage of it to send a big hug to everyone. We have them very much in mind. José Luis Martínez, who is in Dolores and Hidalgo, turned out to be just a great congratulations. José Luis en Dolores Hidalgo is a very nice place in Guanajuato in Mexico.

53:07 We also want to send a hug to a person who already finds us among us, already there, an older man who always fought, who is reminded with great affection that his children and his relatives held him in a very high esteem and that now he is already in a very quiet place, where he is surely laughing at our stories. Don Cornelio Pedro Guevara, may you rest in peace. We send his whole family a hug where they find peace, the tranquility of comfort and the hope of meeting again. For Lilly Monster, Lilly Monster is a follower of the channel that is always with us, is always accompanying us and wants to congratulate and greet very strongly her children Abby and Abner, who are always with her accompanying us on the program. Thank you very much, Lilly. We send him a big hug and we appreciate that they are always on the channel with us talking with all friends. We would also like to congratulate Mariel Robles and Juan Carlos, who have been here for years. Juan Carlos is congratulated on the part of the workshop in detail by his friends for a hug. We also want to congratulate Edith Rodríguez, Iras mart Encial Washington, Cedrick Arteaga, Laura Andrea Alfaro García and is Colombian, but is in Norway. He hears us on the hospital guard while he ' s with the nurses and birthdays. Then it' s a hug to

54:37 all of them. Thank you so much for joining us. Edrick Iras. Thank you so much for being with us. Congratulations. Moisés Salas congratulates Natalia Romero. She is in Santa Cruz de la Sierra, in Bolivia, on the other side of the continent, and we are very pleased that you can accompany us. Notice that father are so far away in Norway, in Bolivia, in the United States. And yet, it unites us with the same language, the same language, the same word, the same way of speaking, although sometimes we find noticeable differences such as having or having and things of that style and the words are a little different, but in the end we listen and understand each other, and that gives us great pleasure. Fernanda Ramírez congratulations from her husband, Daniel Ortiz. She was the one who started hearing us on the radio. But Daniel is also listening to us and of course, some greetings for Dalia Guevara and her husband Benjamin Kasasa, who are on an anniversary and good that always gives us pleasure. Martín Diego Baltasar and Silvia Mejía, Marco Antonio Otelles and their wife who are in Tequisquiapan, in Mexico, Lucero Hernández Curiel and their husband Mario Velázquez, who also accompany us together.

55:45 Victor Morales junior and his father, Victor Morales senior, who accompany us on the program and we are very pleased. They want Vázquez and Antonio Rodríguez, who are in El Salvador, Victor a la Torre and his wife, Barbie Margarita Vivanco, always accompany us and clearly thank us for the donations that make us reach through the videos tony eight eight, eight Silvia Hernández, Raúl Jiménez, Adriana Reale the most elves that is always very present. Patrick Rosas, of course, always present hes and Maite Valdés, Anaís Aragón. Thank you very much to all of you and I would like to comment Look, we give many greetings, but we do not have enough time for all of us. Sometimes we feel sorry for not being able to congratulate people in time, not being able to greet everyone is something we do with great pleasure.

56:34 We have been asked many times how much we charge to send a greeting, not for God, how we will charge to greet a friend, a person who accompanies us. It' s not just that sometimes so many of us get together that it gets a little bit difficult, but that' s where we' re going out slowly with all the greetings, which gives us great pleasure and so we say goodbye to you tonight wishing you a very good night and rest in peace. The O la o r