La ouija || Relatos del lado oscuro (Podcast)

0:00 Let' s talk about the ouija. There are certain rules, there are certain concepts. The fact is that, for some time, stories in the sense of how evil the ouija can be have permeated very deeply in society and the simple word, sometimes it awakens a bit of excursor a bit of fear and, in others a deep curiosity. A deep curiosity that has mingled with the desire to know the hidden, but also with the curiosity of finding answers to our daily questions, accounts of the dark side, beings, strangers, events, is inexplicable, stories that other minds prefer ignorant for those people who still do not know very well what a daughter is. It is a very simple device, It is a thin wooden board, probably of compressed wood, a kind of acerrin that is compressed by mixing it with resins and whose surface is varnished to give it a very soft touch, very very soft, as if it were a furniture of wood finely varnished. On the surface are distributed all letters from the a to the z. At the same time, on

1:34 the top right is a word no and on the left side the word yes. It also has a series of numbers from zero to nine placed in the bottom. Another element is the pointer or plancheta. It consists basically of a triangular shape figure, whether plastic or life, which can even be replaced with the use of a small glass of a glass for wine that is placed face down. As you can see, it' s a very simple thing. His story goes back some time. The first versions appear about 1, 800 when the rise of English spiritism begins and the ouija is used for a form of spiritist session. But it is not precisely at that moment that it seems that there are some forms of necromancy, of knowledge, of contact with the dead that used a similar device, perhaps not identical, but similar. In a time that has been documented, perhaps Greek, perhaps Roman, there is no exact precision in this sense and the historical studies that may have been precarious are scarce. It has not really been taken as an important subject for archaeology, let alone for anthropology. His first discoveries are simply documented the first moments around 1, 800 and then he begins to popularize greatly, precisely in that

3:09 boom of Victorian English spiritism, when different versions begin to circulate, the Egyptian daughter, the English daughter, the French ouija, with simple variants. Some present the letters in the form of a circle, others in the form of a straight line, others at a crossroads of letters that come and go without any order. But in any case, the history of the huija continues. When years later it becomes so popular that it begins to be industrially produced. To that point, people made their own sting by placing letters on a waxed wood and an inverted glass, a glass of inverted glass. Later it begins to become more popular and it is in the 20th century when it is patented by an American company known as Parker Brothers, now owned by Hasbro, the important toy producer brand. The point is that the daughter is an easy to get or relatively easy article over the years. In this 21st century it is no longer as popular as it was in the past and it is not as easy to find it in any toy shop. Many of the malls, supermarkets and others have removed this product from their shelves, as for years, there have been all sorts of stories around the huija, macabre stories and mystery stories, suspense stories, ghost stories and possessions. But the daughter herself continues to

4:45 be the same piece of compressed wood with a soft surface on which this slips the pointer or planchet or the cup, as she is also called in some parts of the world. The central objective of the game, or if we call it a game, is to contact an alleged entity that will answer our questions. Basically it consists of sitting, whether two three, four people, those who can place their hands, particularly their fingers, the tips of their fingers with comfort on the pointer or plancheta. Once this is done, you start asking questions and apparently something answers, as the pointer moves by pointing letters.

5:32 This object, this piece of plastic glass that is placed on the ouija begins to move in a way that is placed over one letter and then over another in a few words spell out the answers, either with numbers or full words or phrases. The fact is that these people who are there see how the object moves on the wood surface as they pull their fingers are this over it. That is the mechanism in appearance is very simple, but there are certain conditioning factors. For example, the holding of the ouija board is on a flat surface and makes a table or on the knees that all the time the fingers, either by placing only the tips of the index fingers, the index finger bud or by placing two fingers the index placed on the pointer during the time the questions are asked is recommended within the instructives that a single person is the one who asks the question aloud. The others will remain as a kind of extra channel, but only one of them should be the voice that sends the run. It has been used to ask inconsequential questions or to ask transcendent questions. It' s been used to ask who' s going to be my boyfriend if this guy I like like likes me if I' m going to make money, if I' m going to go well in business

7:03 or just if there' s life after death, if there' s god. Things like that have always been present, as you see, the answers. The answers can be very, very disturbing, as some of these answers even provoke a kind of addiction. Some psychology specialists say that, beyond the dark or negative part or the spiritual and paranormal question that may be behind the daughter, the one who a person seeks answers, although it is entirely natural, is not entirely healthy, since it can generate a kind of addiction. The search continues in not being able to take a step without having consulted him.

7:45 This phenomenon is very repetitive, especially when we talk about the realm of the occult. People who at some point have consulted with a fortune teller often become very addicted to these, whether the term can be applied or at least very prone to seek answers all the time, answers to everyday things. But the runaway as such has faced skeptics and believers on more than one occasion as it works. There are many answers that we will try to discuss throughout the program who the person or what answers. Similarly, there are many positions in this regard that if it is about oneself, as such, it is a spiritual entity, and there are even those who claim that it can be an extraterrestrial presence. As you see, the phenomenon is complex and the study of it is also complex, since it involves spiritual beliefs and beliefs also in the realm of the parapsychological, that is, paranormal beliefs, but within the mental environment. Either way, the game remains in force and day by day there will be no lack of any curious who acquires or gets through a loan or some acquaintance one of these boards and starts to play it, if you can call it game this. Some others consider it simply a fun. The instruction itself that comes in the box or came in the box for some time now

9:16 claimed that it was an Egyptian game and that it was not dangerous, but that it was not a game either, perhaps in part to provoke more curiosity or perhaps in part to prevent some those who advanced in this step and walked on the path of mystery. In any case, the fact is that the huija is still today, providing us with very gruesome accounts, which speak of strange situations and presences. It is not surprising that it has also motivated the intervention of people of the most varied, from the famous demonologists Ed and Loren Warren, who went into this field of the research of the daughter board after knowing numerous accounts of pons affected areas for having participated in this game, to very clear people, such as, for example, Paco Azorín, the Spanish parapsychological researcher, who assures that the board is more a mental matter than a physical matter and that it is finally a game of self- knowledge, although it also assures there are certain edges in this matter. Other specialists in personality and psychiatric issues handle as an expression of the subconscious, answers of which we are not entirely clear. During our life our daily way of walking and they manifest themselves through this game. Finally, it would be an involuntary movement,

10:46 if you want, but a movement coming from ourselves. Anyway, the daughter is there and we' ll be talking about her throughout the night. I turn to them that some of the accounts may become disturbing, others are probably curious and some more enlighten us a little bit about the phenononology for psychological that can underlie the child board. Finally, that remains a piece of wood with a piece of plastic or glass, moving from one side to the other. It feels simple, doesn' t it, it feels easy to place your fingers and wait for it to move ask some questions around and find an answer that may not even be satisfactory, or just spend the night with our fingers extended without getting any contact. But we didn' t really establish contact.

11:41 Remember that not all phenomena manifest themselves. That is an important point to deal with. I invite you to stay with me when tonight we walk a small road that leads to the board. Daughter, your name Wow is very simple. Some claim that Wija means yes. Derived from French Hui, which means yes and derived from German, as it also means yes. Exact Creator. Parker Brothers does not have a marketer from many years ago, although there are also some different emissions. There are small variants that have been published or produced by other toy companies. In any case, the article as such is a piece of wood without any meaning, except for a few letters that accumulate on its surface and a small object that moves from one side to the other.

12:33 What does all this mean? Then good to be a real object. It would be a means of contact, as for example, a crystal ball has served fortune tellers for many years, just as a tray with water has been used as a form of divination cards and so on. The ouija would be a tool, a tool to focus on us, to focus our attention on something, but at the same time to give the other side If this is the possibility of response. That is whether the ouija, like a crystal ball, serves us to focus on ourselves and that through it we give an answer or manifest what we are invoking, just as with water, that this is an interesting point that at some point we will deal with where the person concentrates on the reflection of the water and then there the contact occurs. It must be understood that, if it is true and from a paranormal point of view, the ouija serves so that those entities that cannot be made present in a natural way or are worth the expression without an invitation, can do so and manifest their answers, whether they are disincarnated beings, of ourselves, of our subconscious, myokinetic reflection or simply the mental projection of someone we are contacting via telepathic. The fact is that, for years people raise sense and experience strange things around the board from a rational, clearly investigative point of view and from

14:09 the realm of the physical, Keeping hands in a certain position for a reasonably long period of time, which can go from a few seconds to a few minutes, means placing us in an uncomfortable unnatural position. This may reflect an effect known as ideomotor reflex or neokinetic reflex. Basically, and if we are faithful to the physiological research that falls within the realm of medicine, from the realm of the logical of the rational to keep our hands raised in that position, which also obliges us not to have elbows supported on the table or on anything, since in order to let the piece that, the pointer move freely, we must keep the elbows a little suspended in the air and let the arms and hands move freely. This means keeping hands in an unnatural position for some time. As a result, muscles begin to present certain reflexes. Try, keep your hand up for two or three minutes in the air, raise your elbow and keep your hand there and after a while, you will notice that your fingers begin to make a small movement, as if by comparing it to blinking this movement or reflection, according to some specialists, it is basically what causes the movement, the movement of the board. The board or daughter

15:41 that we have here one side fell. This basically means that it would be an entirely explicable physical effect. You' ve known this for a long time. In fact, a researcher on the board bears the eye and also a researcher doctor and so on, in a thousand eight hundred and eighty- eight say this is a long time ago. He postulated that the movement of the board was basically the movement and an engine. What this means Also go open a question there if this is due to a reflex movement. The letters, obviously that will come out as advance the pointer would be erratic, since we do not control the movement, since it is reflex, it is involuntary.

16:23 It is a movement due to the tiredness of the arms. Therefore, the pointer would go in any direction, depending on which of the members, that is, of those who are participating, have the highest incidence of my genetic reflex, that is, if there is someone stronger and their spasmodic movements are stronger, these involuntary reflexes, then that will be the one who guides the pointer. But as it is an involuntary and irrational movement, empty spaces will appear all of a sudden. The pointer will be directed to any letter and so on. But there is one explanation here that is merely physiological. The person who has his fingers on there and has an involuntary movement. At some point, your brain sends the order to stop, to stop where it finds meaning. This is common to paranormal phenomenology. When we see something and do not have an explanation, we identify it and give it a value, identity and weight. Thus, for example, a stain on the wall that has no interference, which has no hidden meaning in our view of human beings, can acquire value. This value can be that of a face, that of a monster, that of a bird, that of a landscape, any number of things. Something similar would happen on the wigen board when our hands slide and if the board did not match or the pointer did not match a letter.

17:52 Our movements, though involuntary, would tend to emboss the pointer with a letter. For the next few minutes, we' d have a letter there. But again comes the question. This would mean that to a given question, for example, the classic question exists the sky and what the answer is. It would be random, ah da blues general t p b instead of being yes or no and it' s pretty or it' s ugly. This detail escapes Carpenter' s explanation. Evidently, the answers on the huija board are not due to involuntary movement or random movement, as they have coherence and meaning, have an order and words can be articulated even in different languages.

18:47 Some people claim to have held guided sessions in which the presences that happen or that participate in the encounter dialogue in different languages, coming up with the case even in which you get to speak at the same time, while in Spanish some answers, in English some answers and in French other answers, when those present are polyglots. Generally, the phenomenon does not occur when all present speak the same language. This point has also been considered very strongly within the realm of skepticism, when it is explained that the movement is provoked by people, since if no one speaks French, the board does not respond French. But for people who study the paranormal, this would be a simple answer.

19:30 The answer is if that presence that is there can know of ourselves that we are playing on the board. Obviously, you will know that we do not speak another language and will try to communicate in the language that we all understand trying, as well as to force your answers. This theory is then called into question. If everything is the product of reflex movement, for having kept your arms and hands in an uncomfortable position for a long time, because then the words are articulated, because then they have a coherence and an achievement. The letters are not identifiable. It' s not about guessing what he said.

20:10 They are clear and concise words, words that are completed. It' s not two or three letters and guess what you said. These are clear answers. The theory of reflection and motor. It is therefore ruled out. But then we have another theory, the theory of automatic response. This automatic response would also be partially involuntary. It' s like we' re moving the pointer, but at the same time not tangled. Certainly, what does it mean. In essence, it means that when you hear a question, we inadvertently answer it. So, if someone asks the Ouija board, who is going to be the first to die of those present here, obviously we are going to answer another of the assistants, never ours. This would be involuntary. But as our hands are the ones that are put forward on the pointer, if we are the channeler, the strong, the one that has the commanding movements, we will give the answer that we have integrated from our subconscious and, therefore, would be an automatic response, but at no time would it be a paranormal or spiritist response. Still these messages. Some consider that these are answers given tricks. Within the automatic theory are some postulates that insist on the joke. Some of those present here want to play a joke

21:42 on him and therefore move the pointer, sometimes even involuntarily, but move him to annoy another in response to some quarrel, some discomfort. His subconscious would play jokes on that other one. We' re gonna land a little more. I have a daughter board and I have three friends who are sitting around it one of them asks who will be the first to die. I have a certain antipathy for Peter, who is sitting on the right side. I don' t say it, I don' t answer that, but unconsciously, certain people feel a certain antipathy and I would like him to be the first to die I move the pointer inadvertently, but I' m directing him towards that. If there is another person who thinks the same as Peter is the first to die because he also likes it bad or simply because it is the first thing that occurred to him, then it will be two hands that are answering Peter, if the third, therefore, has the same idea as well. Well, it' s clear that the pointer would move with incredible fluidity. However, it is highly unlikely that all attendees to a daughter session will agree on the answer. Even if out of four three people were in agreement to give the same answer, even if it involved something that occurred to them, but they didn' t want to say exactly what three agree with.

23:04 One who disagrees, the pointer would move in a different way and the answers would not be so clear. In addition to this, if of four people present there, the question is a little broader. How to obtain a coherent answer if Peter comes up with an answer, to John another, to Louis another and to one other servant. Consequently, the pointer would simply remain trembling at the center of the daughter board and would never plasm any response. Therefore, this is not an automatic reflection either. Another theory to explain the functioning of the ouija is very interesting. It' s in the theory of the acassic record. You will see for some believers in questions of high spirituality and spiritual survival and the existence of planes of existence. There is a place where all information of all times is stored at all times is known as the acassic record. A simple comparison would be to think that all human beings poured or released sheets of paper. In every sheet of paper goes one of our thoughts, one of our stories, one of our daily events. And so all these leaflets make up a huge book and in this book would be there the history of all time, of all people who have lived and of everything

24:38 that has happened to them throughout their lives. But in the same way, the acasic record would also have everything that is about to happen. It' s hard to understand the concept. Some maintain a very simple comparison for Paco Azorín. It is a kind of Internet where all human beings are a computer that plugs into this Internet and there we can access all the information, except that future information is also present. The idea of acasic registration seems interesting because it would certainly mean being able to answer all our questions. Some argue that during certain periods of altered states of conscience, shaman people, for example, have the possibility of accessing the acassic record and thus obtaining faithful and truthful responses to events that have occurred a long time ago or events that are to come.

25:36 Even for some parapsychologists, the idea of the acasic record as such is not very clear, but they maintain the possibility that, for example, a paragnost a clairvoyant who can see the future, who may have precognition attends the acasic record and from there obtains the information, that is to say, it is detached for moments from the matter and this other plane of existence is transferred, where is found the cosmic record, this level of existence and there it sees some event. It is also held within the parapsychological scope that in certain lapsus. When people have, for example, pre- cognitive dreams, they would go to take information from the acetic record and thus bring it down to the conscious and translate into some privileged information. Of course, the ouija would be a tool to access this. This is one of the theories, of course, that would be the way to access the acassic registry. It is not clear how this would work, as to the same question, how it is possible that everything simultaneously finds in the same answer. The question is interesting.

26:47 If we are four people, Pedro, Juan Luis and a servant and we ask if we will do well in one business, the answer would hardly be the same for everyone, because maybe Pedro is thinking about his own work, Luis in another and so everyone would give an answer. And besides, there' s another problem. If any of them are not accessing the acetic record, their hands would not move in that direction, as it would involve involuntary movements. It would again be to resort to the idea of automatism. The hands move automatically responding to information that is coming from an external source, in this case the acassic record. By doing this, our hands would be moving all at once. But what happens if Juan and Luis fail to access the acasic registry, as their paragnostic capabilities are not sufficiently developed. Consequently, the pointer would begin to have erratic movements my hands by pushing the pointer, even if it was not voluntary. Understand me this, even though I am not moving it voluntarily, but my hands are moving automatically upon receipt of information from the core record. If Luis, who is standing in front of me, is not receiving the same information, his hands will not move and, consequently, or as a result of this, the pointer will have a ratic movement. The theory doesn' t hold up either. Then comes another interesting

28:17 point in telepathic theory. Telepathic theory holds that one of those present moves the board, but not necessarily one that is there present, and this is a very interesting point. Telepathic theory is strong. She' s one of the strongest. The liver theory holds that at the time of asking a question, one of those present answers telepathically and induces the answer to the others who are there. Therefore, all will move the pointer simultaneously from the phenomenon of automatic hand movement. This would explain a lot, indeed a lot of how the child phenomenon happens, but it is not lost does not mean that this is the definitive answer. The fact that, for example, John has a highly developed telepathic capacity and he has the answer, i e, I ask myself is going to go well in the business that I am going to undertake.

29:17 It' s personal, I know it' s mine. If Luis thinks not, then that will appear as no and what happens if the business goes well with me. The huija was wrong or simply Luis transmitted wrong telepathic information. But not only that. There' s another problem. If I ask about a person I knew, where is my friend Pedro or my friend Raúl, whom I have not seen in forty years. Well, if the others don' t have the answer for anything, it serves telepathy and I don ' t have it myself, like then I can find an answer there. Telepathic theory lacks that and certainly faces a problem In many of the daughter accounts.

30:03 The answers that have been delivered from the board have foundation and there is a reality behind it. So the telepathic idea is not entirely positive, unless we listen to something. Telepathic theory holds that on the daughter board can also present a response from another person who is not there and that induces all present, all actors in the wija session to move simultaneously. There is an interesting story, precisely of Francisco Azorin, the Spanish researcher of the Zeit, who relates that at some point they are on the tableau cuija doing a session. There are four people and at some point a presence intervenes. When asked about this presence, who is the presence, he responds by giving the name and surname of a common friend to all four, who, by the way, was still alive and healthy. When they continue to ask that person or that presence they identify themselves even more by informing about their brothers and relatives, persons who the participants in the session did not yet know. Intrigued by this anomaly of the huija, they agree to ask a common point, something none of the four know. They agree that neither of the four has the slightest idea of what the plates of the car his friend drives, who, by mere chance, turns out to be a priest. Then they ask the Presence what

31:37 is the number of the plates of the car it drives, to which this Presence responds by giving the numbers and letters in the correct order of the vehicle ' s license plate. Well, up to that point, everything would look great. A couple of days later, Francisco Azorín has a chance to meet that friend who had supposedly come in at the daughter session and has a chance to ask him what the plates of your car are. That guy thinks for a moment, tries to remember and finally spells the plates of his car. What you have just spelled coincides perfectly with what has happened in the wija session.

32:21 They haven' t told you anything about what' s happened yet. He has not been told that they were in a daughter session, since he is a priest and will surely criticize them harshly. But Francis makes another point. Listen to Sunday night, about this time. You didn' t feel weird about what that man responds to. Yeah, I felt pretty indisposed. You saw around that time, I decided better to lie down and sleep, because I felt extremely tired and dreamt strange things. Casually he had felt indisposed at the time of the night when his friends were playing eyeballs. When this presence for Francisco Sorina intervened, this is clearly a telepathic intervention. The friend who is far away has brought the information, but is not fooled, because from the other point of view, for some paranormal researchers believers in the other reality of the ouija, this means a presence. I was familiar with the information from Francis, Francis' friend of the priest, but it is not the last of the theories. While telepathic theory is quite interesting and quite so to speak close to reality. There' s another one let' s say so it' s also quite interesting, but it can' t apply to everything. It' s the theory of personal expression. This means that when two people play the daughter board, only two of them are the subconscious of

33:52 one of them things that already know things that are in there, but that have not made them aware of certain questions, move the pointer to give the answers automatically. As you can see, skeptical theory holds, in essence, that the daughter board moves basically product of human activity, of the reflex movement of the hands of the movement of the muscles involuntarily and the answers are provided from knowledge that were already present in ourselves, or the answers that can be acquired via telepathic seems convincing to you. Not necessarily. Not necessarily, because many answers are beyond what people might know. Many of the answers obtained go further and do not represent even the beliefs of those present there, and they are information that could be far from the personal reach of subconscious waves anymore, and the theory of the almost common record is equally contradictory. For the same reason we have explained. If two of the participants or one who is not in the same tune, it does, it simply won' t work.

35:14 And then and then we face some strange situations. Stories about phenomena occurring during and after a game with the daughter board are usually very impressive. It' s very good to try to give a logical explanation. I' m not saying it' s not possible, but it may be possible in many cases. In many cases, people may even be playing jokes like no. If the one who guides you to the session tells you, you let go and just follow the movement of the pointer with your hands down. So, the next one' s moving it. You won' t notice. That' s a board problem. As they are several people. If one of them is playing, it can guide the others in their joke and lose all sense.

36:01 If none of the four are playing, then nothing can happen and it will be the best thing that could have happened, because then there simply was no success, because success, when you talk about the daughter board, is not necessarily pleasant and on many occasions can be quite negative. We will also talk along the program of the other part of the coin, the other side from the other point of view. Let' s go see the other side of the coin. We have discussed the septic views, but there is a very important view. You will see two characters have been significant in the history of paranormal research and, in my view, have been among the researchers who have been at the barrier in the same line of fire longer and whose investigations have been valuable, but also very profound. It' s about edh and Loren Warren. Unfortunately, Ed Warren died last year in August and has been an irreparable loss. His experience, his knowledge and his strong will for help have been lost forever, but his knowledge has inherited them from us in a series of impressive texts in which he narrates not only at the level of personal experiences, but with clear, concise examples, his stories, his experiences and

37:32 his knowledge in the matter of the occult. Being a man of about eighty years, he delivered the spirit, but not before leaving us this legacy on which he explained the wija board is nothing. It is a piece of compressed wood, varnished. The issue is the use we give you, according to Ed Warren, as a monologue and paranormal phenomena researcher. The UIS board is not as such a contact tool, but a kind of master key that opens doors, a key that allows us to contact another reality, with what is beyond. But, according to their experiences and their stories, what is contacted.

38:15 In none of the cases he had the opportunity to investigate were benign presences. In none of the cases he documents, Ed Warren, accompanied by his wife Loren Warren, was able to find a presence that could even be considered angelic, whose responses gave indications of any benign action. This is a very strong statement. It is a declaration that returns as outlawed, as sanctioned, as negative. The use of the wija board. But this is not a personal opinion, but an experience based on numerous cases in which he had the opportunity to participate. It even refers to the very famous case that gave rise to the exso film. You remember her. The writer Blatt would conduct an investigation and come into contact with a story, a story of demonic possession.

39:10 But history as such, while impressive, also has antecedent. The boy who originally motivated the story was not a girl, but a boy spent in the forties somewhere in Washington. He' s never done well. Well, the name has been supported by the name Manheim. He' s called the Robbie Manheim boy, recounts the event of his possession. The novel as such presents the phenomenon of possession and the way in which priests did a moderately accomplished exorcism and so on. But the historical background is very interesting. Ed Warren tells us that it all begins when this boy comes into contact with the board daughter, an aunt of his close, an aunt with whom he lived and with whom he had a relationship, a very intense affection. He had the habit of using the daughter board and as such participated the stories and answers obtained through this to his nephew Rob Manham. At that point, the aunt dies and Robby is extremely devastated to the point of wanting to find contact with the aunt.

40:23 To do this it returns to the use of the huija board, which becomes a constant continuous use. But what is presented there, as Ed Warren says, is not in any case the soul of the deceased aunt, but a series of dark presences, of evil presences that are identified in different ways and which come to the point of being liberated when this boy allows them to come into contact with him and move into reality, that is, transcending that barrier that limits the other planes of existence of our reality. Consequently, he is possessed, but not only does he relate it. According to Ed Warren ' s testimony, four out of ten cases in which he was involved had a common record of participation in sessions with a wija board. Other cases he documents have had participation in different types of spiritist sessions or even spells and lots of things of that nature. But he particularly points out that the use of the WIJA board was the cause of disastrous phenomena and extremely macabre stories, in at least four out of ten cases in which he and his wife were involved.

41:44 That' s the dimension of the matter. But not only would Ed Warren give his opinion. There are also other researchers, such as Duck dal del kx Marek, who holds as a member of the ghostly research society that the tabo uses it. It is not a game, which is a contact tool that releases barriers, breaks down barriers and, consequently, opens the doors. And, as this happens, these presences are approaching, but these are not charitable or angelic presences. According to this researcher, the gax Marek, basically what you can contact there are spirits of the lower astral plane. This is the garbage. Other researchers argue that what can be contacted through the daughter board, in essence, are those who have not found rest when it comes to disincarnated spirits, people who, for some reason, have failed to transcend the next barrier and reach a place where they are in excellence. Therefore, it is on an intermediate plane where human emotions are still alive, but they are not emotions as we might have, that sometimes we are happy, sometimes sad, sometimes angry. Someone who has been caught up in that instrtice, in that interplay between death and what comes next, is basically left there by

43:15 extremely mixed emotions, extremely intense, that can go from anger, the most terrible greed, hatred or despair. In any case, the emotions that can be poured through the board would be, in any case, quite negative, as they were those that motivated a spiritual presence not to transcend and arrive at the moment of excellence, that is, at the divine moment, at the moment of grace to eternal peace. If you want to call it that way, the point here becomes extremely delicate, since, if this were true, what would be coming into contact would not have even minimally the intention to help us or to answer our questions reliably, but it could access a lot of information. That is true, since it would be in contact with us in a non- material way and, consequently, it could give us information, but it could also affect us very much. And here come some other opinions.

44:13 One of them is, moreover, interesting. A doctor known as Alberto González, a member of the Pan American Institute of Health, relates based on several experiences he has experienced that what is presented through the daughter board are essentially vile creatures, creatures belonging to darkness. It' s anachronistic, it' s exotic. It is amazing that a doctor the size of Alberto González relates this, but he continues with his statement during an interview a few years ago, and claims that they exist and can possess the bodies of their victims and cause normal, quiet, non- violent people to commit horrible crimes and to turn or take disastrous forms. They are among us only because we open the door to them through the use of those sinister toys called Bone boards. Alberto González is, among other things, a doctor and then a psychiatrist and then a parapsychologist. It seems very strange to this whole combination, not necessarily.

45:32 In fact, in some institutions where the professorship of parapsychology is taught, the practice of psychiatry is required as antecedent. What do you think? And this man has worked for years in research inside the Center and South America in strange cases, in psychiatric aberrations, cases that have been considered as anomalies, as diseases, but that has finally found a very macabre point. Many of these disorders have a common antecedent on the wija board, but it would be a rather unfortunate statement, quite ridiculous if it were only his. However, there are other equally strange statements. One of them is Dr Marta Projasca. Rojasca is a psychiatrist, psychotrapist and psychoanalyst doctor from Farfax Virriginia in the United States, and she argues that using the daughter board can lead to very high levels of violence and even extremely ugly crimes. He also argues that people who usually practice the daughter board may develop phenomena of schizophremic and paranoid hallucinations and may come to believe that they are in contact with invisible beings and others and that they have even come to understand that there may be another reality. What expanding or

47:07 extantingling our consciousness can cause there to be gaps through which these presences enter and which, certainly for it is a kind of window to observe the hereafter. But not necessarily that window to heaven, but rather to hell. Strange, yes, quite, but beyond this, we also have opinions of some priests, some irreverend priests. In the area of the gospel of the Gospel is the opinion of Morris Cerulo, president of the organization known as world evangelism. This man, coming from Illino and the United States, argues that many of his faithful have presented strange phenomena and told tales, bizarre macabres coming from having sought answers on the daughter board as to what erno form. The opinion of these people has weight. These are not essentially hallucinated or suggestible people. These include, inter alia, researchers, doctors, psychiatric doctors and others. Although Dr Marta Projasca' s point of view is interesting because she maintains that the phenomenon that occurs with the ouija board is a schizophrenic paranoid hallucination. It' s still worrying. This is a story published in Son' s English newspaper that relates a strange event a certain afternoon. John Raidens, father of family,

48:38 distinguished member of society, of an ordinary person, decides to have fun one afternoon, as they are at home, his wife, Gloria and her two little ones, who are then about nine years old about eleven years old. The idea is to have fun on a boring Sunday afternoon. The house is a normal English house. You know, spacious rooms, a huge dining room, with various furniture and a flirt. Living room, very comfortable armchairs with a table in the center. John Ravens wants to play a joke on his kids in a fun way. Let' s see what happens. It ' s supposed to be a joke. He buys a daughter board for it.

49:24 During the days before, his daughter of about eleven years, he has been insisting on stories of the run and how this happens too much. Ravens is an entirely rational man. He' s a man who' s worked for years and has a certain technical background. So he decides to follow the game and, according to his wife, they propose a spiritist session for a few children. Of course, John Ravens has no idea what he' s getting into. They sit around the table, they take out the board they just bought and, as they read the instructions, they joke a little bit about they' re going to meet the spirits of the afterlife and that we ' re going to talk to the spirits and you' re going to be able to ask things, let' s see who' s around here maybe we find some person known to the emotion of the moment, then they place themselves there, put their hands on top and then John starts asking the questions.

50:30 It' s about moving the pointer to give the answers. They start with the classic question. There' s someone here who wants to talk to us. The board points to the answer. Yes, John has followed the game and thinks that his wife, Gloria is moving the pointer and, according to her and a look somewhat guasona agree there and move the pointer. There ' s someone who wants to talk to us and in and then they ask another question. Again. John thinks his wife, Gloria, is moving the pointer. Interestingly, Gloria thinks the same thing that John is manipulating that for answers. Then the answers begin, but at the beginning, the answers do not correspond to the questions. John asks if the entity that is manifesting was alive when he died and things like that. But the answers are extremely unwise.

51:31 They' re aggressive responses. I' m gonna kill you, you ' re gonna die and answers like that. John instantly looks at his wife with a look of reproach and realizes that his wife is looking at him with the same look. Obviously, they' re wondering why the hell you' re giving those answers. You' re scaring the kids. The moment Gloria breaks the silence and says John I' m not moving it. John doesn ' t answer me either, Gloria, but at that point the pointer is going crazy. He begins to point here and there, flapping obsessive words over and over again as that follows. John realizes that a joke is not being played and that it is moving randomly. When the hands of the pointer are removed, the pointer continues to move frantically. A few moments straight away, John throws that on the floor and recedes a little time in which, according to his testimony, which turns out to be amazing in front of them, there begins to be a presence, a physical presence that was interpreted as the demon itself. John observes it and relates having seen that figure as in the middle of a kind of ring of fire and that the room became incredibly hot, as if it were the furnace, as if it were the same hell.

52:52 The members of the family describe that presence of a dark red colour, with a hideous skin and with the classic demonic figure, the deformed face and an abnormal body that laughs loudly and utters all sorts of insults. It also appears for a moment as if it were a kind of big bat, as if it had wings And then, John, who is paralyzed in front of it, screams at his children behind trying to protect them, when that presence jumps and throws itself upon them. John recounted Son' s diary in horror as this creature begins to bite one and the other, either on the face in the arms, they try to run away from one side to the other, but every time they try to reach the door, that thing jumps on them. So fast they can' t escape. The two young ones, Linda and Ronald, the children of the family, are beaten several times and are completely helpless. While John Ravens tries to pray something to make a prayer that barely comes out of his mouth, that creature throws himself on him, hitting him hard on the face, wounding him, causing him to bleed in different parts of the body. The children are screaming and John is trying to protect them in some way, but he is thrown against the wall. At the moment Gloria joins and begins to make a series of praises she met in

54:24 the biblical Church in which the presence participates, she suddenly fades in front of her, leaving behind her unbearable heat and a nauseating edour. John takes the children who are very hurt and runs out of the house. They all ride in the car and head to a nearby hospital, where they are treated for different wounds and burns. The explanation they give to doctors is not entirely convincing and would generate several charges for child abuse, charges that children themselves declare is not true. They exist in the same testimony separately, the four members of the family declare the same scene. The police regard it as a domestic situation and finally attach themselves to the matter. But it permeates even the media where it is known what happened. In that year of nineteen hundred and eighty- six, inside the house of John Ravens. The same account would be known to Eddil Raine Warren, who would take up the matter by moving to Canada to learn the first- hand account, and other researchers from different paranormal research organizations would likewise know this. The critical point is what rays they contacted and how it all happened, and that, to say the connoisseurs in the matter, there are certain things that should not be done. Several of them are rather delicate points and must be taken very seriously. First of all, the

55:57 day the session takes place at John Ravens' house. The outside is a stormy day. It is a day full of lightning and semi- darkness, which motivates this family to be at home bored and looking for fun. According to specialists and researchers on the paranormal, the worst time to do a daughter session is during a stormy day or in bad weather, as this semi- darkness and abundant presence of electric shocks favors paranormal presences, the same on eclipse days or on dark days where it is believed that the barrier that divides the worlds becomes much thinner. But, in addition, there are other points in common that must be followed. At the time when a presence is present on the wija board, all attendees should be silent, not joking among themselves or making offensive jokes or of any other nature, since the Presence that is there if for some unfortunate reason, is an unstable presence, an aggressive presence, will anger and respond in the same way. Then, you should always ask questions of courtesy, you want to talk you are willing. We should never utter insults or any words, that we are not completely sure of what it means, because for us it can have a meaning and for the Presence other words that can be common in our vocabulary, can be offensive in another area.

57:31 And by understanding that this Presence, according to paranormal researchers, does not have the ability to reason and is only sustained on the basis of their own essential emotions, such as anger, resentment, anguish, their response can be extremely aggressive. Also, of course, you should never look for litigation in this. This is never to try to contact someone to claim something of the opposite, things can be quite negative and then make some precisions based on experience, one prayers. Many times people think that before playing the daughter some prayers should be made, asking for divine protection and so on. Well, first of all. If God’ s protection is desired, what should not be done is to violate it by playing the ouija. For many researchers of whom I have already quoted, it is first of all a contradiction to seek in the occult by asking for divine protection. These are two issues that are not mixed and that cannot be shared. Second, the moment things start to go wrong. Prayer will not answer us, in the first place, because we have denied presence at the start of the game. Second, religious objects are definitely not adequate. If you are going to try to make a game, what is being manifested in the case of being a dark entity, a demonic

59:04 entity, when you perceive the presence of religious objects or that can be considered divine, will be a major offense, a direct aggression and, as a result, the outcome will not be anything pleasant. Another one. Many people think that by doing an incense session you will get an advantage that will attract positive energies. Not necessarily. What is being done externally little will help the internal. But there' s a certain recommendation. First, if a person plans to make use of the huija board, one should not play at certain times. Certain hours are between nine o' clock in the night and six o' clock in the morning, the moments of darkness, the most prone moments, but particularly never, absolutely never play it around three o' clock in the morning, the full moment of dark actions. While during the day some disembodied spirit may be found. Of course according to these people who believe faithfully that the daughter is an element of contact with the hereafter, according to them at all times maintain that if during the day the huija board is used, it is possible to find contact with a disembodied entity, with a dead human being who has not been able to find rest. Your information you can provide will be of very little value, but finally, you will not be aggressive if you are not treated aggressively. However, during the night and in particular in that time span of three in the morning, what will be found

1:00:37 will always be a dark presence. A number of recommendations are also made. One will never seek to play the daughter board in a place known to have paranormal infestation problems, as what is there will obviously not be positive. It should not be played in holy cemeteries fields or in old abandoned churches. Either way, what comes forward has no positive intention. Then who can be dealt with? Well, if any presence assures, being satan does not necessarily believe him. Many of them are impostors. But anyway, if you talk about him, you don' t know him if he talks about other presences, it' s also because you know them don' t come close the board and say goodbye. Thank you in the most courteous way that you can intervene and say goodbye and, lastly, never, absolutely ever, ask for a physical test. This is the most common mistake that exists, no matter how absurd it seems in the vast majority of sessions you run away once the pointer begins to move, there is no missing one who wants a greater emotion or another evidence that that is true and, as a consequence, ask for a physical proof that there is a presence. This invitation is the ultimate proof,

1:02:08 that is, to open the door and say pass. I want you to come in here and now and light up, move, furniture, pet the cat or drink something. That invitation means that your house is no longer yours and, consequently, should never be made. It' s the weather spot. In all cases where paranormal demonstrations have reached aggressive and climatic points, it has been because someone agreed to open the door after the candles. The colors of candles have a meaning, according to some believers in the spiritual world.

1:02:51 If light colored candles are to be used, usually what is invoked are soft presences. If they' re dark colors, better not clothes. And let me read some of the calls we' ve received. Fernando Acosta called us. He tells us that the etymology of wija means ear already and that' s how this instrument works and basically describes the functioning of the ouija. Hearing it would basically be that translates into what we can' t hear. It is translated into letters and texts. There the functioning that I have known, through the accounts of people and through the accounts of the researchers of the topic, leads to very dramatic episodes, to situations of great stress. There is one very peculiar in which the way in which a person saw the attack of a paranormal presence is told. During a certain afternoon, a person in the United States, named Billa Ru, is playing with the daughter. Some friends and others are very happy there, but at a certain point the daughter becomes disquieted and starts to move randomly. He comes and goes everywhere. At that point, session attendees decide to terminate the matter, but forget the important point.

1:04:19 Don' t say goodbye and do nothing. They just throw the board around and walk away a little bit to comment on what is happening. Some of the responses have been very offensive. They' ve been obsessive words, direct assaults, classic phrases like emptying yourself to hell, you' ll burn with me in hell, I' m the demon of similar things. Finally, these frightened people are somewhat commenting on what happened when suddenly near the door of the house there are two dogs, one of them named Muffhy and the other Shadow, who are lying nearby at that point. When they are commenting on the events. Suddenly, dogs start barking in a strange way and complaining as if they were being assaulted. Dogs are simply not aggressive animals, but they are responding aggressively, showing their teeth and are later terrified against the door before something they do not observe, something that is not there. Finally, dogs end up badly mistreated with a nervous breakdown groaning away from being in an aggressive position, they are in a defensive position, completely cornered. No one is assaulting them or, at least, no one who can be seen in plain sight is assaulting them. What happened. They played with the ouija and that means playing with the occult to culminate with today' s theme is only the invitation. Do not play it whether it is simple involuntary reflexes, Guinean

1:05:56 movements and telepathic projects efforts. The information that can be obtained through this has a minimal value and the consequences can be very dramatic. I thank you all for coming with me tonight. A thousand Thank you all good night and rest in peace follow us also on our YouTube channel stories from the dark side