El misterio de los niños Sodder || Relatos del lado oscuro (Podcast)

0:00 Fiat Ville is a small town, a community in the middle of the mountains in West Virginia, United States. By the year two thousand and twenty, its population was about four thousand and eight hundred or so inhabitants. That included the rural inhabitants, that is, the people who live far away. It ' s a very comfortable community. Those who live there claim that it is an incredibly quiet, classic place, with a shop, the classic general store a single cinema, There are no big malls nor will there ever be.

0:41 There is a church, a school, a sports field, there are many things that are very nice in this place. The people who live there live calmly, but there is also a secret and a very sad story accompanies tales from the dark side strange beings inexplicable events, divers stories that other minds prefer to ignore. In a thousand nine hundred and forty- five, this very town, this very place, Fiat Ville, in West Virginia, in the United States, was even smaller. At the census of one thousand nine hundred and forty it recorded a population of one thousand four hundred and eighty inhabitants, that is, very little. People know each other. Obviously, everyone knows each other with that number of inhabitants. Well, everyone has to be sometimes one thing, sometimes another. So, for example, the fire chief, when he' s not a fire chief, is a man who has a business. That is why the Commissioner, in addition to being a Commissioner,

2:14 is also engaged in other business. You can' t have everything at once because it' s so small what good? Besides, in the winter, this place can be incredibly cold. It' s a remote area, but the people who live there are quiet. In a thousand nine hundred and forty - five, many of the inhabitants of fit Ville were of Italian origin. During the great migration to the United States at the beginning of the 20th century, many Italians had come who, far from going to big cities like the vast majority, had looked for quieter places, where to thrive, where to form families, where to make a life. One of them is Georgio satú, an Italian from Sardinia, but at the time of arriving at customs they find it hard to pronounce his name when he arrives. Actually, he' s a kid. He is thirteen years old, so he must have arrived in a thousand nine hundred and eight, because he was born in a thousand eight hundred and ninety- five. A crazy boy has truly left his parents in Italy and arrives in America accompanied by his brother. But his brother when they come to customs and realizes that they don' t speak Italian here, that they don' t understand it, that it' s a different world, totally different, doesn' t even cross customs to Georgio' s brother,

3:46 just grab his bag, turn around and return to the boat that brought him. One of those conditions for receiving migrants and allowing them to land was that if any of them were rejected, the ship should take them back to the port from which it had left. There was a series of dealings with the American government and the fact is that Georgio' s brother panicked. He doesn' t like this, he feels lonely, he feels abandoned and he leaves. The only one crossing customs is Georgio. The problem is that when he tells the guy the boring civil servant who was scoring the names Georgio sadu, that man puts George sother and gives him an immigration document and now he ' s George Sothr He' s a thirteen- year- old boy.

4:40 By the way, he wasn' t a very big guy, very fast. It moves is that it does. It' s a very clever name, very diligent, very agile. So first, the first thing you can think of is good. He who speaks Italian and finds a place where someone speaks Italian and gives him some directions to where he should go or then another, but over there he gives him other directions. And that' s how he gets a job by handing out newspapers. Then get a job as a messenger. Then he gets a job bringing food to the railroad employees. Then he gets another job driving a truck in a coal mine near Fiat Ville. So he likes this place. In fact, he loves it It' s great driving very soon. He' s not just a driver, he' s got his first truck. It must have been a very old horn year truck, but he' s delighted with this. Some time later life goes on. When in a thousand nine hundred twenty or so, he discovers the love of his life, he does not hesitate to marry for a minute.

5:47 This is Jenny Jenishi Priannie, also an immigrant. She' s a Linda girl. They fall in perfect love. Okay. It' s a thousand nine hundred and twenty a. There' s not much falling in love. The reality is that George is asking for a marriage Jenny because she needs a wife, she needs a family. There really wasn' t much of a crush, but Jenny' s a pretty girl and besides, she' s a very hard- working woman. Also together, George and Jenny, in a short time they are driving several trucks. She takes care of administrative matters, payments fees. He takes care of driving a truck, he has another with a driver, he has another with another driver and they start growing very soon. They' re already building their own house. It is a good house, because in those good years, the children that God commands are the ones that are received. So good, when in a thousand nine hundred and twenty- three the first is born. That no longer stops and is an important number of children. The one they have. In fact, there are ten children over a period of twenty years. That' s ten kids.

6:58 No one dies of illness, because Jenny Jenichi Prianni, the wife of George Sother, is incredibly careful. No lack of medicine, no lack of care, no lack of attention. The kids go to church, they have to learn from it. They go to school too, they go here too, they go there too. It' s a very, very prosperous family. George himself is a man integrated into his community. He' s a coal transporter. Those trucks are for transporting coal and work with the local mines. He is also prosperous as a member of the community as well Sometimes he is a volunteer firefighter, sometimes he is part of the city council, sometimes, when there is no other, he has even had to be a policeman.

7:51 It' s not that it' s an obligatory charge, just your honorary charge. But when you are not doing all that, you are working very hard and when you are not carrying some of the little ones, because even when at that time and you will not let me lie if you remember the stories of grandfather, at that time you did not used to be very affectionate. Parents used to be distant, severe energetic, an example of neatness. But George, George, came here as a child. So you really are still a very cheerful person. Jenny, for her part, works very hard. The eldest son for a thousand nine hundred forty- five is a soldier.

8:33 Yes, George didn' t have to go to war, but his eldest son, aged twenty- two, had to go to war. He ' s a soldier and he' s on the front line, but fortunately, nothing' s happened to him. Jenican, when he pronounces his son ' s name, keeps persigning himself a little to ask for him. And after that the list is very long and ends with the smallest, the little girl named Sylvia of two years. So there' s a 20- year - old and there' s a little girl of just two. It is a prolific family for one thousand nine hundred forty- five. In addition, one of the marion daughters is employed in a shop right there, at fiet Ville, she' s doing well. She is also a very hardworking girl and is charming, so charming that when she gets paid her salary close to Christmas she goes and buys gifts for the little ones. For the older ones, not anymore, but for the little ones, yes, everyone gets some little stuff and everything is ready. The nine hundred and forty- five Christmas dinner must have been a very pleasant time, because George had been working during the day, but in the middle of the day everything stops. Jenny' s got a special dinner set up. There' s no family. Don ' t lose sight of the fact that you' re both Italian immigrants.

9:58 Their families are there in neither Italy. George never saw his family Jennitch and Piriani again, much less. The fact is, it' s just them, but there' s a lot of them. So sit down at the table. And that' s a scandal, because they' re Italians. So, suddenly Jenny Screams and Manotea and Count This and Manotea and the others. It' s a Tremenda lizard. It' s a nice family. George can sometimes be a little radical, radical in the sense that he has an opinion of life and there is no one to move it. He' s 50 years old, he' s got to come out of the bottom alone, from deep down. He came here with nothing and now he' s a distinguished member of the Hidepell Society No one owes anything he buys.

10:46 He pays when he asks for something. Pay for it. So he is a fairly respected man, but he has this rude character of a man who was made by force of blows. That is very clear. For example, when an insurance salesman came to offer him insurance and after discussing this, that poor insurance salesman became dizzy from the scolding he put on him. Good friend George. It was a strange moment. George was very decomposed because that guy ended up telling him that his house was going to burn and that he would regret not buying insurance. That was absurd. But in addition, they had had this annoying discussion about Mussolini, Benito Mussolini, the duche, the dictator who was in Italy and who was ally of Hitler and who was murdered in a very ugly way and that there were very ugly things around him. For George Sodel, Mussolini was a tyrant and made this known to everyone. In fact, when I was arguing with the seller, who also turned out to be Italian, they ended up telling each other things about Mussolini. The seller told him that he was a jerk and Mussolini was a hero and he replied that Mussolini was a tyrant and a bastard and bonus were made of words that man left. That was the kind of thing he used to say and, of course, when he went to town and there was something or he was

12:18 going to have a drink with friends, he wasn' t a drunk, no, but yeah. Eventually he came to the village and took a drink while he spoke in Italian with the other Italians and had no trouble letting go of some of his political opinions, even within the United States, to express his opinion about the United States itself. That' s very delicate in that country, but life goes on and now it' s December 24th, Christmas Eve. All that has been left behind and the eyes of the children shine with joy. When Marion, the girl of about seventeen, the anger, the eldest daughter, pride is a pretty girl, she begins to take out the little gifts that she has brought them. Of course Jenny, Mom Jenny, has also compared gifts for everyone. There' s no shortage of money.

13:11 They' re tidy, but there' s no shortage of money. Besides, they' ve made some arrangements for the house. Everything' s fine. The dinner must have been very nice at about ten o' clock at night, after having had dinner, after having given a little hugs with a little present he has, George decides to go up to rest. He ' s tired. Finally, he' s a man who at four in the morning. Every day he' s standing up for a while later, the boys are still downstairs. Mom Jenny, who also gets up at four in the morning and is very tired, decides to go up to rest, but those boys are very happy and ask her to please not send them to sleep, to allow them to stay. Marion, the 17- year- old girl' s out there with you. Mom Jenny accepts on the only condition that when they go to sleep, they turn off the lights and close the door, that is, they lock the door with very simple conditions.

14:16 That' s where Moris, who' s 14, Fortachón Luis, nine years old, stays. Betty, who' s five years old, stays too. Little Jenny who' s eight and martens twelve, Marion' s gonna take care of them. She' s the 17- year- old girl. Well, the little two- year- old gets in Mom' s arms and goes to sleep. It must have been ten thirty at night. I don' t think it was more like 12 or 12: 30 at night. Hard to tell, but the phone rings. Yeah. It ' s a house that has electric power and a telephone is a thousand nine hundred forty- five. It' s a modern family. Even though they live a little far from Firedville. They are not within the city itself, but a little far away in the Boscosa area there is a telephone. So the phone rings and it rings and it keeps ringing. Mom. Jenny gets up from where she is, walks up the stairs. Downstairs. The house is large and has one of these beautiful stairs and the phone is close to the entrance of the house. Over there, in Star' s living room, he picks up the phone and answers the voice he hears is totally unknown to him. At the bottom of that call you hear an atmosphere of partying, screaming, laughing, some music. The person who called you is a woman who asks about a person Jenny has never heard of and has never heard

15:52 of either. In Firetville keep in mind that there are 1, 480 inhabitants. Anyone would know anyone' s name, but the person who' s looking for that woman doesn' t know her. When Jenny mom, Jenny says she doesn' t know who she' s talking about. That voice utters a series of improper and mocking laughter. Mom Jenny hangs up the phone, returns to her room, but before climbing the ladder or surprise, Marion is sleeping on a sofa She approaches and puts her box of pictures because her winter or does not lose sight that it is cold. After that he turns around to Rays, the curtains are open. Go and close the curtains.

16:41 After that he realizes that the door, the door was not locked. Rays goes and puts the key to the tired door, half- disclosed, turns off the lights and goes up to his room without repairing that the boys are no longer there, because these five boys sleep upstairs in the Attic there are two rooms there and in one sleep the girls and in one of the boys. The truth is that Jenny must have given a little laziness, must have felt a little laziness, to go up even further to check that everyone was sheltered, so she better go and lie down and very quickly sleeps the cold in the environment, the blankets, the warm bed there in the middle of George and of her is the little two- year- old silvia. So the place is warm, turns around and sleeps, but something wakes her up a while later. It must not have been past one in the morning, because he was just falling asleep when he heard something fall on the roof of his house and roll, then something else hits on the roof of the house and rolls. After this she hears another sound again and something that rolls she wonders if it will be some animal, something that is falling from the trees.

18:10 Note that there are trees around. Maybe Snow doesn' t pay so much attention and falls asleep again. But a while later it must not have been much time. When she starts coughing and coughing, she joins in because she misses that and feels a horrible itch in her nose and throat. And when it turns, it doesn' t lose sight of this detail. When turned on, the lamp lights the lamp on and the room is full of smoke. Do you immediately start screaming, George? Wake up George? Wake up? Look smoke over fire? He starts screaming at the time when George has woken up, joined, takes the two- year- old girl in his arm and runs out of there as Gris screams all out, all out, there' s fire, fire, fire. When they get down, Marion, who was lying down, has woken up from the screams and soon another of the boys, George, who was out there, has also heard the screams and runs out. George had not stayed with the little ones playing, but had gone up to sleep and his room is next to the parents ' room. So it comes out fast when they' re out. Immediately, George gives Silvia, to her mother, sees that she is also there these three little people. Marion, four well I go for the others because they' re not dating. George. This Italian. Georgeo comes running back

19:45 to his house, which is on fire. Everywhere, he enters the house, but the fire does not let him pass. The ladder' s on fire. You can' t cross the fire. When he comes out he tries to enter Now on the other side, he breaks a window, tries to get in, he tires his arm, he cuts the other, he cuts his face, he gets to a point in the kitchen where the fire burns him, his face, his hair, his eyebrows, everything, but he can' t cross. He' s running back to find his ladder. George is very orderly. It always has the ladder and more in winter, because in winter you have to go up that ladder to remove snow. But when he gets to the place where the ladder is always, he' s gone. There' s no way up there to rescue the kids sleeping upstairs. But he' s not a man with limited resources. So he thinks about it quickly and without hesitation he runs to where one of his trucks is, tries to kick him out, walk to move him, paste the box to the top of the truck and from there climb but the truck doesn ' t start, doesn' t start. Then another one of the trucks jumps, but it doesn' t turn on either. The last one doesn ' t turn on either. George' s trucks were in perfect condition in an incredibly careful man and just a while before he had accommodated the trucks.

20:57 Before they went to dinner, the drivers arrived and left. The ice truck was checking and putting them in a garage where it protected them from winter to start the next morning. No one starts desperate, comes running back and tries to throw water something. The eldest daughter Marion has run to a neighbor' s house from where she tries to call the firemen, but no one answers for more than the operator' s mark. There' s no answer from another neighbor who' s seen the fire in the distance, but the fire chief doesn' t know how to drive and there' s no one to drive. So you can' t go. Immediately some neighbors begin to arrive, but the fire is already ending the house. It' s a terrible scene. The hugged fire is a wooden house, so it has embraced it quickly and in forty minutes before they give three in the morning the house is totally fallen. The only thing left standing is the stone chimney and the throwing of the foundations and rubble everywhere. At about eight o' clock in the morning the firemen arrive. Imagine, you and the police manage to turn off a little bit of here and there, but there' s nothing else.

22:18 The search begins there for the remains. Clean that up. Mom, Jenny ' s destroyed. George Sother is destroyed. The children are all very nervous about the horror of what they have experienced. They' re staying at the house of some acquaintances in Fide Ville. George doesn' t understand what happened. The investigation would be a minor requirement, i e, of the chief of police. It was evident that an electrical failure had caused a fire and the fire had burned the house and the boys had died upstairs because they had not been able to be rescued. The fire chief agreed that' s what had happened. For the day of January one thousand nine hundred and forty- six accidental death certificates are issued by fire of the five boys. When George Sother comes back to ask the chief of police, he insists that the cause

23:52 of the fire was probably an electrical failure and that' s where everything else was generated. George then insists, please give us the bodies of our children, with the idea that the firemen had perhaps recovered the burned bodies to give them burial, so that they could give them a Christian burial. Mom Jenny demands the same thing that, please, they hand over the children' s bodies. But the fire chief ends up accepting that there is no body, that the fire was so strong that they disintegrated. It' s a brutal, brutal blow, they won' t even have a body to bury anything.

24:37 They had prepared some graves, had prepared everything, thinking that the firefighters would rescue some remains, something, but the fire chief, with that stupid look that he had always had and that absolute incompetence of not knowing how to drive as head of fire, replies that they did not recover anything, that there was nothing there, because the fire was so strong that it burned everything and ended with the bodies. George is so destroyed that he leaves the place, but do not lose sight that he is an immigrant who made his way alone so he decides to pass on one of his many trips, in one of the nearby large communities, to fiet Ville, there is a funeral agency.

25:19 And in that funeral agency there' s a crematory oven, so he stops the truck down and asks the crematorium oven operator what turns out to be an Italian and who knows him after the different signs of grief for the loss of the children. George is encouraged to ask how the cremation works, and that man explains to him that a human body goes into the oven, closes, turns on the oven and that it takes about two hours for it to burn completely. George, that immediately clicks two hours and insists two hours.

26:03 Yeah, two hours to burn all the meat, fat and so on. But then the remains have to be ground. George is amazed. The remains, yes, of course, after incinerating it, still give large fragments of bone. George feels a chill, but not because of what that man is describing to him, which is eschatological and terrible, but because he is telling him a key word. They have to be ground, that is, remains. So he insists again. Explain to me how they are and explain to him that fragments of the skull, large jaw bones, must be put together and those that have not been fractured by the heat, by the bursting of the marrow. That' s right, you have to grind them, but there' s plenty of bones left. George asks again many, many like how many, and that man already a little surprised, tells him why you ask me, but he answers. Please tell me how many, to which he replies that well, are left the heads of the femurs, that give the upper part of the elbows, the clavicles, the large bones that have no contents and that are fragmented in half. He then explains that all the phalanges are difficult to destroy and that there is usually a good part of the jaw and skull fragmented into pieces. What else does George want to know at what temperature that happens between one thousand four hundred and one thousand eight hundred per mere. Casuality you know how much wood burns six hundred. George had also

27:36 been part of the fire team and when you hear what this man is saying, you obviously understand that what Fairedvill' s fire chief said makes no sense back. They' ve rented another house. Where to be. The movement of the trucks continues like this. It' s that well, you have to work, but when you confront your wife you tell her about the open discovery. In that place, the woman freaks out and says well, there must be remains somewhere, but besides, she has done her own research. Yes, not even Chipriani is also a woman who survived everything one can imagine as an immigrant. He escaped the mafia networks. I had arrived in New York first. Imagine a beautiful young girl in the middle of a city full of mobsters. He had alluded to that, he had managed to overcome himself, he had worked and finally had a family and this happens to him.

28:34 He looked into it. The first question is whether there is a short, i e a faulty electrical wiring. There would be light the employee who asks that he is a technician in electricity, answers no. If one of the cables in the house had failed and started to be so and sparks come out and overheat and burn, most likely the entire installation would fail. And how is it that when you wake up by coughing on the basis of smoke and light the lamp the lamp turns on, but even more so when you are outside the house and it is burning wildly, the two lights of the porch are lit. How that could have happened makes no sense. George decides with his workers to return to the house and find nothing. At first. Indeed, there is nothing. There' s no remains. There is a feeling of distress that was described many years later by one of the daughters, as the worst moment of these two' s life. If there' s anything terrible, it' s losing a son so terrible he doesn' t even have a name. An orphan has no parents, no widower, no wife, no widow, but a father without children does not even have a name.

30:06 And in this case there was something else. I had lost the children, but they weren' t even desperate. He insists again, but the police have told him not to case closed. He manages to do two or three things for himself. I repeat that he is a man of resources, he is an intelligent man. So he starts going to the media at the time to the newspapers. He has several photographs of the boys who are published and begin to arrive letters There is a particular letter that draws attention harshly. It' s a letter from a woman who thought she saw an unknown car that morning with five boys in the back seat and two adult people in front.

30:56 This woman knows the Soders and she thought they were kids. Soder can ' t give any more data. He thought they were heading north, but he can' t say it clearly. A short time later. There is another matter that attracts attention and this is an acquaintance of George, a bus driver truck driver, who that night, at some point in the morning, as he returned to Fireville, observed something that became very strange to him. He saw some kind of spheres of light or fire falling on the roof of the Soder house. At first he thought it was the boys, knowing that at home there are young people who are not exactly five years old, there was one of fourteen, one of sixteen. Maybe he thought it was the boys, playing with some sort of Christmas object and he didn' t pay attention to it. But when the fire broke out, this guy claimed to have seen from the road that crosses below the Soders' house these spheres of fire. The chief of police insists that this is very subjective. But the third report also draws attention because it comes from a waitress who the next morning claims to have served breakfast to five boys about fifty miles away from Fitville.

32:16 In the place where this happens. She can' t say if there were two or three adults she doesn' t know. What he does know is that there were five boys who fit the ages pretty much. The car didn ' t see him. After that, the next report would be about two hundred and fifty miles. From there in a hotel, an employee claimed to see a family arrive. The family had the characteristics of the missing sodern boys and at least four adults. With all this information, George pleads with the police to help him. The chief of police and the head of state don ' t think there' s much to investigate, but he' s continuing his campaign and he' s still fighting. Time has passed. You don ' t think all this happens very quickly. The time has passed and he has even ordered a fence to be placed in the lower part of the house, near the road to one side where the pictures of the boys are and offers a reward of five thousand dollars to those who give reliable information, but beyond that he even offers ten thousand dollars. The searches continue and George manages to get state experts to come, who will check the remains of the house and, indeed, find no bones, but have no clue. Days later, in another investigation, they found a piece of meat that turned out to be a piece of meat belonging to a cow' s liver. He doesn

33:47 ' t lose sight of me seeing it been in winter. The amazing thing is that it was very burnt, but it was there how the bodies of five children had disappeared. There were no answers and so it went on for a long time. He continued to insist on all media nationwide, sending photos, letters, until finally Jay Edgar Hoover, the director of the FB, ordered them to intervene considering the possibility of an interstatal kidnapping. The FEB and American research lasted two years. Over the course of these two years, FBI agents followed every possible lead, every single mark that appeared around here. But he knows something. They didn' t find a single rest. The peritors themselves checked the people in fB and checked the place and found some vertebrae, human vertebrae from a human back. Several years had passed. Don' t lose sight of that. George hadn' t built the house again. I had done another to leave that there and they could investigate and investigate and find some. But these vertebrae did not correspond. These were old vertebrae. They had not been burned, but were on the ground on earth. There was a possibility that he would have been taken to fill the earth foundations of some place where there was an old burial. It wasn' t something I had to hide, much less. It was an old affair. But they didn

35:22 ' t find the boys' remains. But they didn' t find any solid leads either. The clues pointed in all directions. George would continue to search for skies, sea and earth, periodically, publishing advertisements periodically sending letters to the different media at the time, but they would never find it. George sick tired for nine hundred and sixty- eight does not let down guard Jennitchi Prian and his wife goes on. The children are already elderly people, even John, the greatest, who in the forty- five was a soldier. Now he is a man made and right, and he asks them to stop doing this, to accept his resignation. The Sons died there in that fire, but George is convinced that it was not so. In nineteen hundred and sixty- eight they receive an enigmatic letter. It' s coming from somewhere in Kentucky. It has no address, it doesn' t say sender, but it' s a photograph of a young Italian- looking, curly black hair. When Jenny, Mom Jenny, sees the picture, the first thing she says is Heaven is my son referring to dying. He' s my son and he shows him the letter. He' s my son without having read what came in the back of the photo. In the back of the photo, a series of information came a little strange because I said I love my brother Luis and then some numbers came like some kind of key.

36:58 Not this letter. No. No. No. He didn' t have much data, he didn' t have much information, except he said the name of George' s son. The letter was sent. There was an attempt to codify what it meant, which it didn' t mean During this time, George had become a very expert man. Twenty- three years had passed. He had become an expert in finding clues, meeting people, meeting detectives, hiring detectives, and calling back an old acquaintance a lot. It ' s been said he was a jerk who ran away with the money. No, that' s not true. George had met a private detective, a trusted man, had helped him for some time and had always returned.

37:39 In that one thousand nine hundred and sixty- eight. This was a strong lead. There was a feeling in Jenny that this was her son. The detective took the picture, took the data and went to look for it. He never came back. He never returned home or to his office. Nowhere. He didn' t show up anywhere when he was reported missing. He never showed up. Like the boys, the detective had vanished forever. George would die about a year later. Jenny would go on with the search until her own death. In the eighties already made a very old woman, an old woman, kept periodically asking for the intervention, asking for the search.

38:27 At least some remains that could be tested would have been found attesting to where the children had ended up. You never knew what happened to them. They missed that Christmas night. What' s clear is that they weren' t there. During the following years different experts, experts from different university disciplines entered into a kind of heated discussion about whether a human body would actually disintegrate in those conditions, considering that the little ones' body that thinner, lighter probably, but there was a boy of fourteen one out of twelve were in the upper part on a freezing night. The blankets are usually not so flammable, they were not synthetic fabrics. So it was complicated for some fire experts.

39:30 The bodies should have been there charred, perhaps turned into some kind of black mass, but identifiable as human bodies. There were some evidence of much more violent fires where the fire had taken two or three hours and bodies were recovered. This had not happened here. Within what had recovered from the rubble there were also some figures that had not disintegrated from ceramics, There were some plates, There were also some elements of wood that had not been completely burned, how it was that five bodies had disappeared until the eighties. The question remains and the discussion would end there when it was established that it was difficult to believe that something else had disappeared. What happened to them. Well, there had been several previous incidents. The first of them was an employee, a job seeker went looking for George to apply for a job. He was Italian.

40:44 This had happened perhaps at the beginning of a thousand nine hundred and forty - five. The subject had probably just arrived fugitive from Italy, a former soldier, probably someone who had had to do with the Mussolini regime and who came to ask for work. During the conversation he had had with George, they had had a confrontation on the subject of Mussolini. George was completely opposed to Mussolini, but that subject gave him the impression that it was a brown shirt, that is, someone who had been with Mussolini and seeing that the war was lost had fled. He didn' t hire him, but that guy ended up telling him how dangerous a fire is on his wires. Even though the house was quite recent. The installation had been made recently. That guy turned out strange. He disappeared without saying anything else. George wasn' t gonna hire him. Then there was the weird incident, that of the insurance salesman. It all coincided in a very macabre way, because that guy came telling him that he had been recommended to come to see him because he would need insurance. Just in case there was a fire in his house.

42:07 This had a lot to do with the guy I had talked to. It was weird. Why did they come to offer George insurance in this place, away from fayet Ville, telling him a fire from his house. But also, it all happened because at that time they were coming back to the kids at school and that guy said he wouldn' t like to see his kids dead, really burned in a fire. Why don' t you make sure and start later you fell into that discussion about Mussolini. Again Mussolini, George ended up telling him enough, I don' t want anything to get away that guy threatened him by telling you to remember me when his children and his house burn and disappeared in a car that was down two days before Christmas.

42:51 When he returned from work with the truck, he could see an unknown car parked on a curve. A little before the house. There was a press inside. He didn' t know all this told the police, but it didn' t do any good. It wasn' t good enough to write a clue for something. He didn' t even keep the name of the insurance salesman. He didn' t register it, he didn' t want to buy anything, he wasn' t going to keep any cards or anything. One of the theories that would arise there from all these testimonies was revenge, a political revenge. George had often outsourced his opposition to Mussolini' s regime in front of many acquaintances, and perhaps a vengeance from some Mussolini supporters who had come to the United States fleeing the war. Do not lose sight of the fact that there were Italian military contingents who went to fight at the front, at the front with the Germans, at the Russian front and ended up defeated in horrible ways and many fled knowing that the Russians were already coming, knowing that the Americans were already in Sicily. They ended up running away disguised as something else, but they fled and have probably arrived in the United States, if it was delicate. But there is also another very big possibility, the mafia, the Italian mafi, although Fiadville was a very safe place where there was no such thing. George was a man who was traveling with

44:22 trucks loaded with coal all the time and was a very visible man, very prosperous in other communities where he was carrying the coal, it is very likely that if there had been a mafia and they had tried to extort it, being a tough man like George, he would have refused and this would have been his revenge that so- called insurance salesman. He was actually a mob envoy who was studying the house and was studying the family to see how he threatened him. Any of the options were possible. Come on There was in the seventies a madman who said they had been abducted, but the question is what had happened, how they had been taken out. See you had in the bottom six people, the oldest was 17- year- old Mariom, who was looking after the others. Then I followed one of fourteen, one of twelve. They weren' t kids who were easily dominable. They would have made noise they would have shouted and a few meters away was the room with the parents' open door they would have heard something like it, that they had been taken out without anyone noticing, but even more without Mario herself, in which she slept on the sofa, would have found out. One of the possibilities that a theory pointed out was that the boys would have heard

45:52 something that caught their attention outside the house and would have gone out to see what it was all about while Marion was golden. Being outside, they would have been kidnapped and taken for what or why. It' s not clear. The search in the United States was very extensive for a long time and nothing was found. There are those who point out that they were most likely taken to the coast and taken to Italy as a mob revenge, but at some point these guys would have been able to communicate, they were not babies and that never happened. Today, some are theorists of this subject hold a much sadder end. Yes, the boys were abducted by kidnappers, by the mob, by business opponents, by political enemies. Whatever you want, they were killed and buried in unnamed clandestine graves. What worse punishment than never knowing what happened to your children. To you, what do you think good and after such a gruesome account like this, what do you think if we send

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