Cementerios y fantasmas ||Relatos del lado oscuro (Podcast)

0:00 It' s always interesting to hear these strange stories from small places, these crazy stories from stories from every cemetery, it' s always very attractive. For years I have had the opportunity to talk with people in many areas, from people from the countryside, people from the city, people who teach, people from very different professions paint, and I have always liked listening to ghost stories. They represent a part of social belief. It is an interesting phenomenon, but, on the other hand, it also has a whole trajectory of myths that also becomes very attractive in the stories of women crying in cemeteries.

0:52 They are very good and there are stories of all kinds from the dark side, beings, strangers, events, inexplicable, reversities, stories that other minds prefer to ignore. You say that a few years ago, talking with some people from the region of Izúcar de Matamoros, here in the State of Puebla, they told us a history of a cemetery. They said that during the funeral of one of their relatives they had to wait for a subject of an expert opinion or something similar, making the process prior to the handing over of the body and everything a little longer. The fact is, well, they had to meet certain requirements. In addition, it seems that it did not reach one of the relatives who were waiting for it to arrive from the United States for the tragic event, and this was causing time to become longer in a normal cemetery in a big city. Obviously, they would not have had the opportunity, but in the case of a remote region, of a small

2:24 population, there was not much setback in which they did. He fought in the evening, in what came the box, in what came the relative coming from the United States, in what came the other relative coming from I don ' t know where. Finally they gave ten o' clock at night and were still in the cemetery after some time of that strange adventure of being in a cemetery during the night. Well, they started to feel kind of uncomfortable, and that' s when they suddenly noticed that they weren' t the only ones. There was another person and they said that in one of the tombs that was a little higher up, there was a woman sitting in a common attitude, a lady sitting in a tomb among the attendants began to realize and some of them commented with another hear. This is so weird. A lady you know, no, I don' t know who she is.

3:23 I can' t tell from here dark at night. The cemetery has a few lamps that some municipal president was kind enough to put in, but it ' s the only thing at some point. One of the gravediggers of the men in charge there already finished doing what he had to do. And someone asks you to listen and here come at night people to some celebration. The answer was that yes, that eventually the day of the dead came to set sails as is the Mexican custom, but nothing more. Then they asked her about the lady who was looking over there who was sitting in one of the tombs, to which she replied emphatically that no, that there was no one, ma' am, but that it was common for them to see her.

4:17 Yeah, days go by. These people stayed that night, they were very uncomfortable with the idea. Obviously, the days pass and when they have to return for the novenario and for all that related to the funeral, they show up or in the morning time and for not leaving said to this person that they went to see the tomb and the tumbra of a woman, of a woman dead in nineteen hundred and seventy- six, at twenty- eight years old, the subject was interesting because during another talk that they had had time afterwards, someone else knew of that woman had died from outside tragic rma had died, besides leaving a offspring of children, several children and many people had seen her on some nights sitting in her grave as waiting for someone.

5:18 There' s no longer story. Obviously, he' d lend himself to investigating what happened to the husband and whether the husband wasn' t there or whether he was there. But they' re grave stories and that' s not the only one. If we talk about graves or cemeteries, obviously those who would have the greatest evidence are gravemen, but not necessarily. I' ve always said that cemeteries aren' t exactly the best place to look for ghosts. They' re places where people are predisposed to see things. We enter an environment that is not pleasing to us, in an environment in which, besides we know that there are a lot of corpses and we associate skeletons with death with ghosts. The reality is that, if we listen to paranormal theories, the cemetery is not attractive to an ingrained person or to a person who does not want to leave. If we listen to these theories about death and fantasy, the central idea is that people don' t leave because something attracted them here, for example. They don' t want to leave because they kept a treasure, one of the most classic versions. They don' t want to leave because they want to stay with the woman or the beloved man. They do not want to leave because there is a tragedy that has not been resolved, an injustice that has not been resolved. They don' t want to leave because they panic, because they think they' re going

6:51 to hell for a sin they couldn' t fix where all these people would be. If you tell us today you have to go and we don' t want to leave, we' ll probably find a suitable place. Someone looking for the woman or the beloved man will want to be in the place where he was with that person. He' s going to want to be in a place that was his own, that was safe for him. If I have a hidden treasure and after death, I cannot leave because I want to take care of my treasure, because I stay in the treasure and so on. The cemetery is not the ideal place to look for souls in sorrow. They wouldn' t be there. However, there is a collection of impressive phenomena. The irony is that gravediggers and pantheon people, workers who, like any other person in a task, don' t tell so many stories.

7:44 Rather they are a little reserved about it and, above all, they are so used to living there that it is not easy for them to confuse and see things. It is easier than a common visitor like you or me, as we enter a holy field, we begin to feel strange and suggest ourselves. But that there are good stories, there are good stories. On top of this, there are some very interesting things behind it. Years ago, an old man, by the way, told us a story about a cemetery in his village. The story was of the popular domain, a town of queretaro over there and was also well known. Everyone knew about that story, except for the locals. Of course, all the people knew of an old man, who was going to the funerals. When someone was to be buried, this man appeared. Many thought he was a municipal employee, because in addition, this began to happen for a fairly long period of time and people began to notice it. The neighbors, the people of that community, realized that there was an already large man who when they were going to bury someone just came to stop there somewhere nearby, not exactly where the sublet was

9:18 going, but in a nearby area and he was very attentive. There was no lack of one who had seen that even during the blessing, when the priest was making the prayers, he took off his hat. He was an older man, white hair, short hair, dressed in black. Of course, a funeral doesn' t pay much attention to things. One is thinking that the loved one has already left in that you have to pay the expenses, in that you have to invite people to eat rice and beans and have coffee or something. I don' t know what' s stylized in every region. So little by little people realized, but there would always be someone out there who would say, because he has to be an employee. Not so frequent were the sepelios that would also have to be taken into account.

10:09 The holy field of a rural community has a burial, because perhaps every twenty days, every month and they saw this man coming out from somewhere and arriving there. The matter was going on for some time. They even thought that he was an employee, that he was someone who was approaching to rectify something, something until someone had the courtesy to ask, in the small office that was at the entrance of the cemetery who that person was. Just out of curiosity. There had been a tragic moment when there had been several already very old people who had died consecutively and, in the meantime, Zepelian saw him again in each of the cepelians. So someone went and asked forgiveness for the already large lord of black hat, dressed in black, works here is part of the cemetery, not only out of curiosity, but also for a little kindness to invite him to the food, because it was how he stretched himself ending. The cepelios invited all the people who had attended the house where the wake had been made and so on. So, as they approached to invite the secretary and the man from the minutes who was there in the booth, they had to ask him. The answer was no. No. No.

11:31 We don' t know of anyone of those characteristics who works here and we know everyone has seen it. We' ve seen him too, but we don' t know who he is. The subject. It' s just that the person disappeared just like he had appeared. When on some other occasion someone embalmed and wanted to see what it was about, a rather unusual phenomenon occurred, but it is unusual for humans, but common in us we have paranormals. As you approach the silhouette or this image, it becomes less, become less dense, it becomes dim, you start to move away as if you were going towards the office and it disappears. The phenomenon was quite tangible and quite visible at a certain distance. However, when this young man who is emboldened and wants to know what it is about, the image approaches, goes towards greys, towards grey tones, retracts, retracts and disappears. Who I was is a good question. In that place there would be many people killed by appearance. It must have been someone who lived in the 1930s in Mexico, no more at that time. It must have been someone big.

12:48 One of the possible explanations is that they would have buried a loved one there. Of the few cases in which it would be granted for someone to ambulate as ghost fans in a cemetery would be because there is one person who would have stayed there, buried someone loved to be there and that would probably be the best reason to wander in one more cemetery. Not the only clear one. In paranormal phenomena there is no single explanation, let alone one behavior. But in this case they narrated that Now is not always so apathetic, so far away the phenomenon. There are times when phenomena can become disturbing, especially for people attending a funeral, since it can become not only aggressive, but toxic. Yes, and this is a rather more cruel phenomenon for those who have an extraordinary ability or a greater ability to perceive things, that is, people who see dead, people who perceive the already deceased often have problems in that sense. Years ago, talking to a highly sensitive person, he told us several experiences. This lady, from a very young age, began to

14:20 have phenomena of perception of things that others did not see. It was not strange to him to see people who were there, but who the others could not see. On more than one occasion he was surprised to note that no one paid attention to Aunt Juanita, who was standing there by the door. And it turns out that Aunt Juanita had died a few days ago and there the only one who knew that was her. On several occasions, as she described us, of course, on the basis of her own testimony, she told us, for example, scenes of her childhood when she was sitting at the table talking to her grandfather, suddenly the mother slapped her two times and raised her from the table. When she asked why, the mother scolded her telling her not to talk nonsense that her grandfather was dead. It' s been a long time since I was talking to him and she answered Mom.

15:15 But if my granny is at the table and I was talking like that, things happened to him. He told us many experiences and throughout the time we had the opportunity to talk with her, he told us about events, some of them disturbing. For example, on one occasion, she, being a teenager, was taken to the cemetery on the occasion of the funeral of a family member, but as soon as she reached the door of the municipal pantheon of Puebla she felt terribly uncomfortable, terribly burdened, not knowing exactly why. Once it reaches the interior, the situation becomes even worse, as it immediately perceives that there is someone there who, barely crossing the door, is approaching it quickly. There comes a point at which she watches an older man standing next to her and obviously no one else sees and no one else hears.

16:15 But that man breathes with difficulty or makes a similar noise, he is terribly poor. It' s not corrupt, it' s not a corrupt corpse, let alone. It' s not a mummy wrapped in a sheet or anything. Just an old man of appearance, very poor standing next to her. She watches him, but she doesn' t want to say anything, she doesn' t want to do anything at all. At some point. His despair is such that, without saying a single word, he grabs and begins to walk towards the exit of the Holy Field. The problem is, that thing is following her. This man said she, a tall man dressed, very formal, in a grey shawl suit. Completely his entire appearance was gray, regardless of whether anything in real life would have had color at the time everything was gray- looking. The gray skin is thin and follows it.

17:17 She watches as she comes back. When you get to the door. His first thought is blessed, God already came out of this, no, unfortunately not for his misfortune and One thing he would understand later is that when you see them it is because they see you, he begins to walk home and realizes that that man comes after her, turns around, returns and waits for him to go out to his mother and his brothers, who were in the funeral. All the time, that person is there. When they leave, they all get in a car and leave. However, upon arriving home in the evening, she feels tremendous discomfort. He doesn' t see it inside the house as such, but he knows it' s there. It wouldn' t be until a point in the early morning, when he wakes up very startling to realize that, in the middle of the room he shared with his sister, there was this guy. Over the next few days.

18:22 That became a constant, but also a constant despairing, since at home they believed that was the product of their imagination, the product of a series of fantasies. To mention the subject would have meant a good scolding, perhaps even having to take her to the doctor to give her some pills and control her, a terrible thing. Suddenly, she, in the middle of the night, saw this man standing there suddenly at noon, I would see him there suddenly when he arrived from school. I was at the door. Suddenly when I went to school, I went with her at some point to despair. Nes so he tries to ask why he' s there. But what that man would have said was so strange that it was not understood. So, she, desperate, yells at him to leave, that he can' t do anything for him, that he disappears to go back to the cemetery.

19:18 She doesn' t quite understand what she' s asking. After a while and after several interlocks or what you of this nature ends up understanding that that man wants her to do something, but he doesn' t know what. Desperate, she yells at him to leave, begs him to leave, but that thing doesn' t go away. So it would take several weeks, during which time that character, that man, continued there. The situation was dire because it could also appear at any time however uncomfortable the time was and all I wanted was to tell him to help something, but when he came to the subject he wanted to help, he could not understand what he wanted in his despair. Finally, she talks to her mom, that mom, no matter how much you say she doesn' t exist. If it exists, and I have it and I see this and I see this and I see this, and I can tell you that on the fulana date of such when you hit me for saying that I was already talking to my grandfather, I had it in front of me and it was like this and when I told you that Aunt Juanita was at the door I saw her dressed up and so until the mother, in a state of tremendous surprise, ended up realizing that it was true what I was telling her. And then this girl back then a teenager tells her already. Right now there' s a guy who

20:49 followed me from the cemetery who doesn' t turn away, he' s dead. No one else sees it this way than inside the house. I need someone to help me. Anyone would' ve taken it out of their mind with this. Fortunately, the mother knew a little secret that few people had shared with her and that Grandma had the same thing. Grandma also had that bad habit of saying ay Mira already died, your teo Gervacio because she just came to say goodbye. And look, Aunt Gumercindita' s already dead. He just came to say goodbye and so on. There was no solution at that time for that man to return They went to see a known person who did clean jobs and that and that and that helped them to return that man where he was and to stay already through a series of branches, a series of things and with a series of aids and prayers, finally it was again. But it wasn' t unusual from there, when someone was suddenly close to going to the cemetery many times it meant nothing when he had to go bring flowers to some relative, to some well- known deceased. He did not necessarily find someone, but he already knew that sometimes suddenly when turning Mrs Gordita who was walking back, or Mr Major or the odd young man, they were not really alive and simply had to let pass a moment and

22:23 then start giving them light. Over the years. He understood that there were a number of things that could be done to help these people. Some of them had a long time, a long time to be wandering, to be trapped. Others were just beginning and were lost. The irony is that the same thing had happened to him entering a museum, entering an old house, not necessarily the cemetery, but how to make him good. She had a very peculiar practice. The first time he spoke to them in peace, spoke to them calmly, prayed for them, asked for the presence of the Angels of Saints to help them follow their path. He explained that they had to go to the great light, that they would see, that they were not afraid, that it was the great love, that it was the great forgiveness, that they could get out of here, etcetera, etcetera. And some of them agreed and felt clearly the moment when someone was leaving even felt a great relief, but there were also those others who did not want to leave, who were still engaged and foolish in something. And to these, well, they ended up talking to them in rude ways until they convinced them that some had to go away, others just walked away at the end of the day. It was a tremendous experience, but not interesting. It was the

23:56 description who could be in a grave, who could be in a cemetery. There were strange things too, but in general, it was easier to find on the side of the road people who had died and were still there to find them in the cemetery. This subject of pantheons is very attractive for many things. First, because, well, people think that a place where there must be ghosts is a pantheon. Well, no, it' s not true. It would be the other way around, it' s a place where there would be little paranormal activity derived from people taking root in a different way. If, for example, someone has suffered a tragic road accident, he has suddenly lost his life without being fully aware of his own death.

24:49 He' s probably staying in that place. This has been achieved through very rare things. Look it' s not an exact science, it' s not a matter that is fully defined and inalienable, but what has been identified is, for example, a person who is in a state of crisis due to an accident that has been sudden. Someone who goes on a motorcycle at full speed and suddenly falls or crashes, has no chance of recognizing his own death. So, when after the accident it gets up, it shakes the dust and says hush how close that was to what a barbarity, nothing happened to me. If I' m in one piece, I' ll wait a minute to see what' s going on The thing here is that the minute is no such minute. A person who has died completely loses the notion of time. Time ceases to be the passing of hours, which is a physical measure derived from the turning of the planet. Paranormal time or time beyond the current plane of existence where you and I are. It is a time derived from one' s own will. It is a time when things happen, but there is no measure for time. The problem with this is that someone who stands waiting can be separated waiting for the equivalent of hundreds of years or at least long enough for it to be lost and cannot find a way

26:19 out. So it' s not an easy issue. But that person who has suffered the motorcycle accident shakes and says Hufff' s lucky. Nothing happened to me. I' m gonna wait a little while, and you' re gonna wait there, there, where you are. But in addition, there is another interesting feature of this. According to some mediums and sensitive people who have had contact with already deceased beings, with already deceased people. Another feature of this intermediate space between what could be considered heaven and earth. Let ' s call him heaven. There will be those who call him the valhallab who call him the glory. Let' s call him heaven. A person who dies passes through this rare intermediate stage, where everything is confusing, where everything is irregular and then comes a moment of light and clarity and well, it is already going the other way. This rare space in the middle of timeless has unique features. One of the things that has been talked about a lot when talking with sensitive people is that those who have died and are there also have the possibility of moving. Yes, they are acts of the will.

27:37 The person has a very reduced will. His forms of perception have been limited to what he has, as a memory, but he can move in those spaces. So, for example, that boy I' m telling you about who tragically dies in a motorcycle accident all of a sudden for some cause, realizes that nothing happens where he is. You don' t know how long it' s been. It doesn' t matter. It could have been a day, it could have been a year, it could have been six months, when suddenly he says I' m going to go to my house, he doesn' t even know he' s dead. The dust has been shaken and he has thought that Maravilla nothing happened to me what luck, huff but spent some time out of some need, out of some anxiety.

28:22 He says, well, I think I' d better go home. That going home doesn' t require walking home, it requires remembering where he was and he' s going to be there. That' s another feature of this space that some call astral, et cetera. The movement does not depend on the attraction of moving, but on the desire to be elsewhere. Now what are you going to find who knows? You might find the house full of Flores, realize he' s dead and then react and travel where he has to go. The other is that he doesn' t realize anything and when he gets home, think he' s lonely. This is quiet.

29:03 Where are all I' m going to wait for and then I can stand there, waiting for the next fifty years. If at that point you decide to go to the kitchen to have an eye, someone is likely to see you. If someone with enough sensitivity gets there, he' s gonna see it, but he thinks he' s waiting for a little while, there' s no notion of time, so that' s why it' s unlikely anyone will go to the cemetery after death. However, a very different fact would be, for example, the lord who leads to bury the woman of his life, the woman of his entire life and that a few days later he will die himself will be looking for that woman, he will go to the tomb to look for her. That' s gonna be the presence they' re gonna meet there. Of course, unfortunately, there will also be another thing that usually happens in pantheons, which are dark entities.

30:00 They are not beings that have been in a skin, they are not beings that have occupied a body in some time, but they know that the people that go there are very susceptible, very sensitive. They' re hurt, they' re hurt, they have low protections. That' s what makes them so attractive by being there, they' re going to find these people and, obviously, those dark presences can be toxic and can also be very insistent. Fortunately, they do not have the ability to come and go, just as I explained a moment ago, and this is all a clear theory.

30:41 It' s not something that' s either proven or anything in theory. That person who' s passed away, that motorcycle guy, who doesn ' t know he' s dead and wants to go home, is already going to be home, but that doesn' t mean he can travel around the world. Not that person will be able to go to places that he remembers specific that are important to him, if, for example, he suddenly wants to be in Paris to get to know the Eiffel Tower. That' s not how it is. All he can do is go to places that are important to him or that remind him because he does it through the will. This in turn is a protection, because that dark entity that is in the holy field, does not know where to go. Unless there' s such a sensitive person to let them follow her. Other people will feel very uncomfortable, they will suffer dizziness, they will feel pulls, hair jerks, bites. But whatever' s there, it' s hardly going to be able to follow them because it' s not in their information the place they ' d have to go curious about. All this is not this issue of dark entities. Well they are in many places, but at times it is an ideal place, since people arrive in such a particular, emotional and particular condition as regards their personal defenses, which are easy victims. It' s

32:15 been my turn to talk to people, yes, of course. Recently, actually a person who had to attend a cemetery had a very rare situation. This man narrated, he came in not even one of the most mourners. I knew the deceased. He was a friend of the family and attended the funeral. Being there, he began to feel dizzy. A nice fresh morning, he started to feel dizzy, he started to feel weird. He began to notice that something made him feel very heavy. His first idea, obviously, is that maybe the sun, the smell of the flowers and all this had caused him a feeling of dizziness or something happened a while ago. He kept on doing that, but not only did he spend some time, but, in addition, already finishing the celebration, as he walked out, he felt an extraordinary heaviness. He described her as if she had a cart tied up and was pulling it. Lifting feet was complicated, moving was complicated.

33:32 No, he didn' t wake up. He hadn' t been to the Velorio He didn' t feel bad when he entered the cemetery. He was perfectly fine. A strong athletic man. Suddenly you feel this weird feeling that you have heavy things, you stop dry and it' s the moment when you perceive yourself as if you were with something upstairs. He even has the clear picture that there' s something hanging from him. When he turns around and tells one of his friends he was there, he says hey, I feel really weird. I feel like I have something on me. The friend tells him you got a dead man. The man is told which one is dead. The dead don' t come up to you, no, no, don' t wait for that man. The friend begins to pray to him in front of him, he plants himself, grabs his hands and begins to pray our father a bird Mary, because the divine protection will cover you, that the Blood of Christ will cover you, that I do not know how much, that the mantle of the Virgin will cover you, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera? Then he begins to give signs of the cross and various things to that of so many. When this man, the young friend, is suddenly praying to him lying there, he has the clear feeling as if suddenly someone here and here will get off. That' s how it

35:06 ' s going to go down completely. Feel that strange relief that lets him breathe when he turns back. He says he sensed something that he saw as if there was some kind of turbulence, like some sort of smoke bouquet, like a fading thing. He couldn' t tell any more. He didn ' t see the hooded man, he didn' t see the bony. He didn' t see any of this. He just saw something like it moving like it was a small column of moving smoke. Ending this, when you feel that you are already free, you can walk as if nothing runs away. When he realizes, he comes after him the friend who prays still running to everything he gives him. Being outside, when you already have a moment to breathe, he explains what he felt. Of course, the friend tells you clearly you look like a dead man. Obviously, the answer was unlikely to be a dead man. There was something there and that' s how this is from the cemeteries stories to. Wherever you go, you' re going to find him. Sometimes you find very elegant things. Yes, for example, in the French pantheon in Mexico City, it is a very elegant pantheon. High personalities of the Mexican public, business people, is an elegant pantheon. There was what one of the guards described some time ago.

36:30 I saw this on a television show in the competition, but I really liked what the security guard told him about on one occasion an important funeral procession, a person, a lady with a lot of money. The attendees, all of them were very elegant, an impressive chariot, fine jewelry, an impressive marble crypt. Everything was perfect. When the funeral is over and all those leave with all their elegance, there remains a man, a lord, equally elegant. That' s right, you' re so glad you' re standing outside. He' s seen there by the security guard, who' s in his rondin. You see it' s in the afternoon. Think well, sir has the right to stay a little longer, why not.

37:28 When they close the doors at the time of closing, they make a general tour to verify that they have not stayed in any person inside and after that they go to the booth and stay there already at night. The four guards make a joint tour to avoid tomb looters. But when they make the tour, he sees the man, the elegant lord, he sees him standing there again. Then she decides to approach him to invite him out of the cemetery and happens to him that as he approaches, he disappears, just like the story she told him about the village. But this guard claimed that good the next day they saw him again the same way. They thought it must have been at the time. They said he was Mrs Dead' s husband who had come to accompany her, but he was also dead. The phenomenon was not repeated. After a few days. I just wasn' t there anymore.

38:32 That was a pretty harmless one, so to speak, probably a person who didn' t want to leave the deceased person and until he realizes that he' s already out of that body, that' s when he' s on his way, it' s possible that he' s in the afterlife. It' s one of the most constant questions you' d ever ask yourself. If I' ve loved my lady very much all my life after death, will we be together? If I' ve loved my Aunt Panchita very much when we die, will we be together? The answer is complicated, but apparently yes and it is possible that these people who are accompanying someone who has died at a given moment can leave together on what this is based. Well, there aren' t many theories about it, but one of the most important claims that, at the time of moving from this world to the other, certain loved ones approach to help the game. Anyway.

39:42 It' s one of those very interesting topics that I was talking about. One of the recurring phenomena after death is the tunnel of light. It is not common to all cases of near- death experiences. There are those who live it, there are those who do not, but but many h chas of the cases that are talked about, which are the people who apparently return, narrate an episode in which, when crossing from one Kingdom to another, they meet their loved ones in the near- death experiences that have survived and that have recovered. They narrate as these beings, these already deceased people, with whom they meet and who are familiar to them, tell them that they must return and help them to return, but at the same time they see them in very appropriate and generally joyful conditions. The relative who died in a sad, sick, worn- out way to the bones, when they meet him or when they meet him in this trance, at this crossing, they find him in a very good condition, very smiling, very cheerful. So, broadly speaking, if we ask that terrible question further we' re going to be together, probably yes, but in a different condition. Don' t imagine that if in this life we' ve had any enmity out there, we' ll have it in the other da. That' s unlikely to happen. What happens here and here stays at last. Now I do

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