Carmen Marín La endemoniada de Santiago | Relatos del lado oscuro (Podcast)

0:00 On many occasions we have spoken of a dispute surrounding the phenomenon, demonic possession. It is a dispute between rational thinking that indicates that there must be a disease behind the phenomena and the phenomenon let' s call it paranormal. This discussion has had some strange encounters in which both parties present their letters, both parties present their data, both sides face each other and to this day, although on many occasions reason has taken the battle, there are some cases in which it has not been possible to fully explain this. Those few cases are the ones that draw our attention why he doesn' t stay with me and I tell him one of those cases accounts of the dark side for strange beings.

1:11 Happening is inexplicable, diversity, family stories that other minds prefer to ignore, let me take it back in time. We are in Santiago de Chile, in one thousand eight hundred and fifty- seven. On one of those dusty streets of a city in the mid- 19th century, a priest walks, that is, a priest, a man who already has in the third degree of priestly ordinance and yet is a very young man is Joseph Raimundo Cisternas.

2:04 He' s the son of a wealthy, big bolengo family, so he' s a guy with a lot of backing. He has contact with bishop, with the archbishop, family ties have led him to be quite appreciated, but he is an intelligent man. He' s got a modern thought, he' s read a lot. It is not easy to achieve old dogmas and old beliefs. The fact of being a relatively young priest has hardly been ordained in the month of March of one thousand eight hundred and fifty- seven and now it is June. So probably just a few months ago it ' s been ordered. It is also influenced by French rational thinking, by many other things. Inside his head there is always a concern to know more.

2:57 That day, as he walks down that dusty street, he happens to meet two friends of his. They are two priests, greet each other politely, give the traditional religious greeting, ask how they are, give two or three blessings, each equally and finally begin to talk about a topic that is in the air. During the previous months a rumor has begun to emerge about a spirited woman, that is, affected by evil spirits. There' s been a lot of rumor here and there. José Raimundo Cisternas himself has listened to him and seemed to him something pointless, something that has no greater interest for him, that he is a rational man, although he is a man of faith, he is a rational man. So that seems to you to be some fantasy. And every time someone approaches the parish, or in the curia or anywhere to ask him and tell him about the horrible case of the spirited woman, he always responds in the same way. He' s not interested. These are fantasies that only distract people' s minds and hearts from the true object, which is God' s service. But on this occasion the conversation with those two colleagues becomes much more interesting because one of them assures that he knows from a good source that this woman has been treated by the

4:30 best doctors of the time and that they have not found a solution and that the case goes far beyond Jose Raimundo knows the place and knows the nuns who care for him. It is the hospice of Maestranza Street, a rather grim and sinister building where many people, both orphaned and alienated children and people who are called idiots, taken there. The nuns are kind enough and he knows the place. After talking a little more, why don' t we go. Those two priests who also have the afternoon free accept why we don' t go there and head fast and fast attracted by the curiosity of seeing what this is all about. Obviously, José Raimundo cisterns, the priest Don José Raimundo. The first thing he thinks is we' re going to go unmasking a person, whether it' s fantasy or he' s making a hoax.

5:39 When they get there, they do recognize him and greet him. He has sent his own running, that is, a boy who found out there made him run to warn them that they were going there. It' s all set. When you enter the room it is a spacious, very austere room. All there is is a bed, a mattress lying on the floor and another bed over there. The bed is where a young woman is lying. The other bed is for the caretaker of that young woman and the mattress on the floor serves for the woman to lie down there when she gets the attacks. As he approaches, José Raimundo, who also has some medical studies, politely greets him and asks how he is. The answer at the moment is rather rare. The environment in general is strange. One of the nuns comes up and tells her she' s in one of the attacks. In his opinion, the pulse is completely normal. The young woman has an ordinary appearance. She' s not an extraordinarily big woman, she' s not a rather light- sized person. Signs of an ancient disease such as smallpox can be seen on his face, with marks on his face, but they are not dramatic either. Seeing a little more sideways, you can tell that there are certain peculiar marks of sangria and that leeches have been applied to the

7:11 lower part of the head, a very common treatment of the time. You can also see the same in your arms. After a few moments of watching her, she comes up with an idea. If this woman is pretending to have demonic attacks and I don' t know how much, we' re going to take the idea out and make her react, so she immediately orders that a plate be brought as hot as possible to be applied to her stomach mouth. An iron, an iron plate with which the clothes are ironed and put against the coal as hot as possible. Once he does this, he turns around and says you want me to put an iron to what an unusual voice and that doesn' t seem to correspond with that girl he answers her burning, but nothing happens to me. There' s a strange moment.

8:05 The other two priests cannot help but make signs of the cross repeatedly at the same time that one goes to look with the shaking hand for the rosary that he carries by the waist and with the same trembling hand begins to pass beads. Well, I' ll apply the iron to your stomach mouth and you ' ll see how you take that away from what that strange and unusual voice responds to again, you' ll burn it, but to me not the priest asks then why you speak in the third person. I only see a woman here and from there a series of very strange things begin. The young woman of normal appearance begins to suffer these strange attacks, these convulsions, this hustle, especially, when the priest begins to read some psalms to say of the caregiver who is a nun of charity, informs her that that puts her as crazy, that she is completely deranged and, in fact, deranged.

9:05 He begins to do very strange things and swirls against the wall and beats himself to the ground and hits himself to the point that it seems that two of the nuns of charity who are out there are going to kill themselves to try to hold her. But it' s like there' s no one holding her. I repeat, she is not an extraordinarily large woman. And yet, those two nuns do not manage to contain it and it continues to strike and throws itself there one of the caretakers to do that tells it the only thing that reassures it and is the Gospel of St John. One of the priests who is there has his Bible with him and quickly seeks the Gospel of St John. To do this he settles down in a chair, takes out the book and begins to read the Gospel of St John, which does not work for him at all. And that woman keeps doing weird things. He twists and makes a series of noises that make him feel an unusual nervousness, to the point that the other priest, the one who had his face in his trembling hand, falls off, picks it up, turns it back and everything is very strange. When suddenly sorry the caretaker tells him that good he has to pray on his knees. The priest who accompanies them, that is, the other priest who had begun to read himself on his knees and began to read him on his knees. Then everything calms down and the young woman returns to her place, She joins and quietly greets without remembering anything. It becomes clear you don' t know what you' re talking about. The girl answers some questions quietly, has a positive answer to her pulse. It ' s totally normal to speak with a voice of that body, of that

10:39 person. The young woman must be about nineteen years old at most the story of this person. The priest, José Raimundo, does not know her. You' ve just heard of the spirit and as you approach, what you think is that all this is very rare. This matter of the Gospel that needs to be read to calm him down, this matter that when we pray psalms, it is completely transformed, so he decides to go and put a little eye on the archdiocese to ask permission to get involved by going out. From there he goes to the archbishop' s office, to whom he talks about this situation. In response, he is instructed to conduct an in- depth investigation. Other priests, deacons and priests have been there. In fact, several of his acquaintances have been involved in this and they have all come out with a lot of terror, claiming that it is a terrible case.

11:39 However, with this modern rational mentality of the presbyter cisterns, he decides to investigate more And the first thing he does is call doctors. Yeah, calling the doctors invites at least ten doctors to go. He wants to know the opinion of science. Science had begun to make important advances at the time, although the Freudian idea of psychoanalysis and unconsciousness and the hidden erotic and so on did not yet exist, because Freud had just been born. There were already some theories about ovarian hysterism and brain hysterism in women, a rather primitive idea to call it in some way, but that would try to explain this to the main doctors of the city of Santiago at that time begins to send letters inviting them to go there and give their opinion. After this, go back there with the sisters of charity to investigate a little more about the young woman.

12:52 It' s a very rare case. This young woman is originally from Valparaíso. He was born in a thousand nine hundred thirty- eight. Just like he looked. This young woman is about nineteen years old. That father - and- mother orphan didn' t know him. She died shortly before she was born and the mother died shortly after she was born. An aunt of hers took care of picking her up after the mother' s death, giving her a little upbringing and then sending her to the country to be cared for by a family there. The girl grew up during the first years of her life with a totally foreign family in a country house. When the girl is about five or six years old, the aunt goes to her where she is and back in Valparaíso. She enters a school where she begins to study some things, the first letters and so on. It is according to what is known an entirely normal person. Around the age of twelve, the girl is admitted to the school of N de la Monjas Française. It is a private institution of prestige entrusted to nuns of French origin, of course, and do not lose sight of that. French is also taught during classes, which was very well seen at the time, and that' s where weird things begin. Father Cisternas does not know until that moment, he has heard nothing

14:28 but rumors, but this time he begins to know a little more. That is where the problem begins, being in that school, in one of those many afternoons they entrust the prayer of the Most Holy, watching the Most Holy, which is a Catholic custom where people go and kneel next to the votive lamps, where the consecrated host is kept to pray. It' s a wake. The girl is ordered to go there that afternoon from the moment she leaves her room. This bedroom, which she shares with several girls, has been very nervous. And she has been very nervous because as she goes on walking with a lamppost alone, she does not lose sight of the fact that she is one thousand eight hundred and fifty- seven, she has not lit up in the houses or, much less in the schools. He seemed to see that there are things that cross his path as if they were dogs.

15:26 But when he lifts the lamppost, there' s nothing. Then, turning around in a corner of that building to reach the chapel, it suddenly seems to him that something big, like a large lump, has crossed beside it and felt this chill so ugly that when turning the lantern it realizes that there is nothing. He follows his path and enters the chapel. Being there, it is well, while in prayer before the Most Holy, that is, in front of the sacristy. And all this feels good. But time goes by and about ten o' clock at night, when her replacement is expected to come, she starts to feel something like a weird cold, a nervousness that would invade her after having felt a lot of fear at that time, having felt a deep fear that something would happen without knowing what. When the replacement arrives, she takes the lantern with which she lights up and goes back feeling a constant chill, as she would recount. As he walked through those dark corridors of the old building in front of her, the strange shadows and the huge lump that has now accompanied him appeared again, so he rushed the step by taking that lamp to enter his bedroom. When she' s there, she puts on her bedding and goes to bed while sleeping in a strange

16:57 sleep. The invasion is a very realistic, very realistic and terrifying dream, because in her dream she is waging a terrible struggle with demons, demons who besiege her, who mistreat her, who hurt her, who want to dominate her. When she wakes up she realizes that she is being held by several of the nuns and their roommates are terrified because she has attacked them in the middle of the night. He wasn' t fighting demons, he was hurting friends, the comrades who were sleeping there, he assaulted them. A zacapela was built that ended up dominating her between four or five nuns, because even though she was only about thirteen years old, it would barely take a year to be there, they could not contain her. Such was the violence of that. When she reacts and finally incorporates a little and is already controlled, stop attacking her has no memory of what has happened. It would be the nuns themselves who would narrate those events and she would give her spiritual confessor the information about what she had felt at the time, supposing that it would be a brain disease, that is, a form of madness. It' s called a doctor to take care of her. The doctor begins the treatment, as expected, and the treatment goes to the most modern, of course it does. They apply, for example, snow caps, a practice to deflate

18:27 the brain. It was believed that sometimes, brain inflammation could cause this, so they put on snow caps. Leeches were also applied to him. Excessive blood pressure in the head can lead to madness. Bloodbleeds were also applied, i e, functions to shed a little blood and thereby lower the intensity. Rain baths were also applied, a practice that helps young girls at an early age reduce female hysteria a little moderately. But that doesn' t seem to have worked out much, because some time later, that girl whose name, by the way, is Carmen Marín, is back the family. It hasn ' t been long. And when the family is back, the attacks continue and with increasing force. These attacks in which you suddenly lose completely react violently.

19:27 When they come to pray her, she gets hysterical, goes crazy, assaults, bites until her brother Harto locks her in a room and beats her to death. He hits her like she' s a sack, like she ' s an animal. Such is the beating that the neighbors and acquaintances have to intervene to remove it before it kills her, the brother, who by the way was a drunk, claimed that he was pretending and that with the blows he would be taken away. Of course, not only was it not removed, but it had to be removed. However, and ironically she wasn ' t aware of that, she hadn' t felt any blow, she hadn' t heard anything. The injuries the brother had inflicted on him, which would probably be very serious, healed very little time, leaving minimal marks as if he had done nothing. After this I would be taken to a hospital. She' d also be taken with a healer. There is no way to define it, where he would spend two months during which he was quite well, but when he returned to the city, the attacks would return as the days passed and desperate the aunt and family tired of being dealing with this problem that is now about three years old from the beginning until finally she was admitted to a hospital for alienated, alienated patients and there they leave him

21:03 desperate for despotic treatment, for contempt, for abuse. Almost as an animal he decides to take his life one afternoon when no one watches him, he has gotten a rope that ties in a part of the bed, tightens it tightly around his neck and takes his life for his good fortune. Despite having put the latch on the door, one of the nuns who makes her usual journey, realizes that the door is closed, realizes that something is happening and finally knocks down at the door. Despite having spent several hours with the rope around her neck, she' s not dead. After a while, the doctor who assists him or her to help her recover her reacts, and despite being suffocated for so long, she reacts fully. There' s no mark on the neck of the wound, there' s nothing left. After this she is sent to another hospital, where, in the same way, she is given baths, sangrias, leeches, everything that comes to mind is dictated that she is an incurable disease. Therefore, and at about eighteen years of age, that is, a few months before the priest goes, she is sent to the hospice of the nuns of Charity on the street maestanza, today, street of Portugal. Being there, he' s still suffering from the

22:42 attacks. That' s obvious, and they' re frequent attacks. It ' s not something that happens and from time to time it' s something that haunts you almost all the time. There are times when it seems to invade a kind of silent attack, where there is a strange rigidity. These are usually very long, but then there are also some variants that are noisy where it causes all sorts of rare phenomena and these last for a short time, but alternate several times a day. Every time. When she reacts, she doesn' t remember anything, but she doesn' t show any signs of anything. Several of the accounts given during the investigation to the priest said things like when a glass of glass with water was brought to him, and when he came closer, instead of drinking the water, he bit the glass and ate it without harm. It is also said that they have applied all kinds of things to him, since synapses, which are some species, a kind of mustard compress that is very iris that is destined to provoke a reaction.

24:03 Synapisms are to provoke a reaction in the person. They are irritating, they are hurtful and apply hot and she had no reaction. According to the nuns themselves. At some point, one of the doctors who has come has put needles into areas that are particularly painful and during the attacks, she has no reaction. They have also shown at some point that he has a knowledge of hidden things because by bringing him a glass of water, but he also has a few drops of holy water, he has not touched it. He threw it away immediately. Instead, on that same occasion they bring another glass that does not have the drops of holy water and drinks it calmly. Several tests have been done, but they don' t know what it is yet.

24:56 They have noticed two or three details. For example, when someone prays the Old Testament Bible psalms, this provokes a very violent reaction in either stage, either in the silent stage or in the active stage. She acts violently. When it is in the silent, it twists in such a dramatic way that it seems to be breaking, but it makes a peculiar noise, a noise that causes a lot of fear to those who have heard it, because there seems to be something inside moving as if there was something swimming in the fluid of the abdomen. That' s the noise you hear and a series of sterors like they' re bursting their lungs. It' s such an ugly noise that a lot of people have run away. And when he is in the active phase, when he has these noisy attacks, he displays signs of violence, he whips himself, breaks things, screams and speaks with voices that are not typical of a young girl, as well as speaking terrible obsenities.

26:00 It' s not what you think much. It was said at the time that the young woman used to leave the hospice to go into the docks and there get entangled with sailors. I didn' t really go out. She was sick, the hospice was locked up, you couldn' t go out and in hospitals for alienated people less. So it didn' t make sense. He couldn' t have escaped to contact drunken and rude sailors. The fact is that, after hearing all this, the priest José Raymundos cisterns, decides to start the investigations. You' ve known two or three things.

26:42 There they have the elements, so they begin to arrive pphlegmatic doctors of top hat to the usage of the nineteenth century connoisseurs of the subject. All arrive with the same characteristic to take the pulse, to check the heartbeat, to examine, for example, that the body is well formed, that there are no anomalies, that there is no excessive weight or lack of it, that it is observed, for example, that the denture is in very good condition, that it has no cavities, that it does not lack any dental part, the eyes have no malformation and no redness is observed when it is calm. But there is another peculiarity and that is that attacks, when they are noisy, occur about every three hours. But she says exactly what she ' s now going to start while she' s in the attack. Before it stops. She reports through these rare voices that are heard when the next attack comes, the attacks are alternating. It' s not always the same guy. Sometimes it takes several days when the noise is not present and it is only this clausus, this silent phenomenon, ugly rigid at other times is the other way around. But when he talks he warns so that they know when it' s going to happen, so doctors come in, do their thing and wait around when the attack starts. It' s very easy to distinguish. Carmen Carmen Marín. He realizes he' s about to start,

28:15 because he starts to hear this ugly whistle. It is a very sharp whistle that starts from the left side and then turns inside your head until you reach the right side. And that' s when she gets lost and she doesn ' t know anything anymore. They realize it' s starting, because what it does is raise your hand as if you wanted to cover your ear, as if you wanted to cover up and then cover your eye and then make this move and get lost. From there, things are going really bad. When this happens in front of some doctors, the priest asks them to, please, wait and he will give you a sample of how he reacts and orders a deacon or someone out there to read a psalm, the reaction is immediately violent and he begins to groan and his or her or make horrible noises, While he does not vomit things as usual, if there are a series of very strange phenomena in extreme, for example, during one of these sessions, one of the nuns begins to sing in French is a hymn, it is a praise in French. The young woman listens attentively and begins to sing the praise in exactly the same tone, in the same metric, with the same rhymes, but has replaced the key words with obsessive words, gross of frightening eschatological content that have to interrupt that in order not to affect the chaste ears of all those sweet nuns of charity who are there horrified. Suffice it

29:45 to point out that that good doctor, upon realizing this, grabbed his little maletita and left. Other doctors didn' t, they stayed until the end. He also did very strange things. You will remember that one of the phenomene classics of demonic possession or demonic affectation is cenoglosia. The knowledge of hidden languages, i e languages, languages and languages, as you wish it is not acceptable for a person to know because he never studied it. So when you begin to sing these praises in French, changing words into obsessive words, everyone thinks oh if they cenoglosia is demonic. However, one of the doctors intelligently points out that the young woman had been to a college of French nuns.

30:34 Therefore, he mastered French well and clearly, having been in hospital of nuns, College of nuns, Hospice of nuns, School of I do not know what, always around the church. It was not strange that when they sang in Latin, he also knew Latin. Finally, the Mass in one thousand eight hundred and fifty- seven was said in Latin and it was common for your people to have Latin notions. One of the doctors starts talking to him in French. The answer, however, is in Spanish. That nasty, ugly voice. He answers questions in French in Spanish, but assures that he understands everything. Another of the doctors, Dr Amstrong, asks him in English, answers in Spanish, but he answers quite clearly seems to speak English very well. Yet there is doubt. Perhaps he could have had contact with someone of English origin and know something about that language. At the end of the day I wasn' t talking about it. It only answered and perhaps was responding to sensible questions. It wasn' t a definite test. When they start doing the prayers again, that completely breaks down. It' s crazy. The young woman, of normal appearance, neither very robust nor very

32:09 fragile, begins to whip herself against all the furniture. The doctor who' s there is alarmed and asks to be stopped so that she doesn' t kill herself. Such are the blows to the head that would easily fracture someone ' s skull. But three seminarians who have come to help do not manage to contain it and suddenly falls to the floor. The doctor orders you to turn it around and place it on the mattress It has fallen flat, that is, face down and is with arms in an unusual position, in a rare form. The seminarians come and try to lift it up, but they cannot try to turn it around in any way, pulling it to the point where one of the nuns of charity cries out for God that they break his arms, but fail to move it. Yeah, you can raise your arm, but she doesn' t take off the floor. It' s a form of sansonism, possession of gravity. The person sticks to the ground.

33:09 Three more men are coming, six guys are trying to get her off the ground and they can' t take a woman who can' t weigh more than 55 pounds. They do not manage to lift it until finally the priest asks another of the priests to order it to rise in the name of Christ. In doing so, as soon as those words are spoken in the name of Christ, I command you to stand up, they can lift her up and take her to bed as if nothing had happened. But the attack continues. When the doctor checks, there are no injuries, but you can see something. Eyes at all times have been backwards, yes as if it were a violent epileptic attack backwards. The eyelids have a agitation and not smooth move quickly. When he gets his eyes down a little bit, he realizes that the pupils are totally dilated. There is no reaction, even with light or without light. There' s no reaction. That' s a picture of a disease. Until someone brings with him a lignos cruxis, that is, a wooden relic, presumably of the Cross of Christ, but in reality it is simply a blessed relic. The young woman has her eyes completely closed, she sees nothing, she' s turning the other way. When they discreetly put that little piece of wood under the pillow, legionous cruxis, and then

34:45 the young woman reacts as if they had put fire on her head. They do the same with other tests, such as discreetly placing a small silver crucifix below it while no one sees it, and the reaction is the same very violent. However, as soon as the priest kneels down and begins to read the Gospel of St John, the young woman goes into relaxation and returns to her light position and reacts politely and responds clearly and simply to the doctors' questions. And, while ashamed because some questions are intimate in nature, she answers all of them, at least three of the doctors ask the friars and the nuns to come out of there so that they can hear her without impudience and the opinion is that she finds nothing. One of the doctors who came here wants to know where that awful noise comes from. The noise is remembered by the one heard in the abdomen and that there seems to be an animal moving inside like in water, as if there were a lot of water there and you hear that noise and you find nothing. But she doesn' t remember. You don' t know what happened. You don' t know why this happens to all the doctors who arrive. Some just grab their suitcase and leave, others stay to finish that. They are asked to draft a report. There are things that go further. However, the priest himself realizes

36:16 that there are things that cannot explain knowledge of hidden things. Of course, the fact, for example, of placing drops of holy water in the glass that you are going to drink and throwing it away and, instead, giving it a normal glass and not doing anything. It draws his attention because there was no way to know which of the four glasses they had taken had the drops of holy water and which did not. But that' s not all. When he talked to Archbishop Rafael Valentin, Valdivieso. He has considered the authorization of an exorcism, but requires the doctors' reports. One thousand eight hundred and fifty- seven. There begins to be a rational thought behind everything, but how to rationally explain that one good day, one of the priests, an excellent connoisseur of Greek, begins to read a text in Greek and the young woman who was in one of these violent attacks quickly calms down and feels what she was reading in Greek, the Gospel of St John in the Greek version. However, when in the next episode, the same priest with the same intonation, in the same position as Rodillas, begins to read the Gospel of St Luke, the answer is appalling. Not only does he not calm down, but he screams, kicks and assaults. There was no way

37:49 he could speak Greek or understand it, because none of the rites were in Greek and the Gospel is extensive and yet he knew it knowledge of hidden things Cenoglosia also, of course, that time all these people came because the rumor spread and people came like flies in the hospice itself. They tried to control him by putting guards on the doors, but this didn' t help, because people got in and suddenly there were fifty or sixty people in the room there asking stupid questions and suddenly the thing that was inside Carmen' s body turned around said you know perfectly well that she died yesterday because. You ask it and I don' t know what and you' re the one who ' s going to die tomorrow. So I don' t know why you ' re here and it was fulfilled and what I was saying was real more knowledge of hidden things and strength. There were several sansonism signs in Oglosia, knowledge of hidden things, of course, others were missing, For example, it did not avoid him, but it stuck to the ground, which is a similar sign and there was no way to move it. He didn' t throw things up. But if I heard this shocking noise that was within a few days they pass in what more doctors are arriving. Some send a missive where they say we can' t know what' s going on, but at least two of them are incredibly thorough and thorough in the degree of

39:21 analyzing it from the point of view of their own sciences. One of them determines that it is a phenomenon that cannot be explained by science and makes the comparison between the different tables that are presented. When a person exhibits a female hysteria, whether ovarian or brain, and compares it and goes on to analyze it to determine that none of the pictures he presents are compatible. Another of them considers that not that in any way, that this is not a spirited person and that what they are seeing is a hysterical convulsive picture in the third degree, caused by animal magnetism or by moral influence in lons, an erotic primitive alteration of their ovary generis and hold that. Obviously, the scientific explanation was far from convincing. Sure. They didn' t have an EEG, they didn' t have an MRI, a CT scan, or anything.

40:17 That' s what they had and that' s what they' re trying to explain. But finally, everyone' s opinion is that it was a very unusual picture. Carmen Marin was facing a dramatic situation. Exorcism is authorized following the Roman ritual, the ancient ritual of exorcism, had been with it for six days. The priest, studying every minute detail, had come to ask the biographical data, the background of where it came from, what it was like. Exorcism was performed in the old way. What was said in exorcism was not made public. That was a form of respect. Whatever was said was kept there. It is not known, even with precision, how long the exorcism lasted, how many sessions were how it was. The only thing that is said is that at the last moment, that Presence, which presented itself as a demon, assured that it was leaving, but would return when the priest asked you to leave and you will not return. That voice answered yes, I' ll be back in a year and a half.

41:24 I' ll be back, even in a different way. It is said that after that departure, Carmen Marin returned to normal and attentive. At the end of time, the priest and the other members of the Church were close. You don' t know exactly what happened to her. Carmen Marín' s memory is lost in time. It is clear that she was released and that if she had fallen, surely the Church would have been very present. Presbyter Don José Raimundo had two deaths starting the 20th century, a thousand nine hundred and three thousand nine hundred and four, so he would have had a chance to continue to see the case, but it was not repeated. Carmen Marín is said or believed to have led a normal life. Some say that, after those terrible events, he chose to enter an order of nuns, where he remained until the day of his death. Other versions say that after being released, he returned to normal life, married and led an ordinary life until his death shortly before the turn of the century. Hard to know exactly.

42:39 The historical memory that is preserved of the case is thanks to a series of writings that Raimundo himself wrote to the archbishop, in which he informed him of the details and annexed all the medical reports. It is a unique document, a document of impressive value. It is considered that it is the first authoritative and documented exorcism of the Catholic Church in Chile and most likely one of the first cases in which there was a full confrontation of a case of paranormal appearance with the science of that then clear was a science that held that the mental problems of many people of the female sex derived from a hysterical problem, which today has become clear that it is not so, or at least, there are theories that explain it much more reasonably, if you take into account that some of the medical treatments for this female hysteria were baths with freezing water, washed of the safe hands by doctors. Well, just think of the treatment you had been given in a snow cap. That' s not giving an idea that science was still in diapers. However, it has been one of the first cases where there is an intention to rationalize and critically study a paranormal phenomenon. Carmen Marina' s case has recently been taken to television with a television series in those regions that have apparently had some success. But it

44:15 ' s a case that goes beyond that. It meets many of the standards demanded by the ancient canon of the Catholic Church for exorcism, although not all, it does comply with the majority and was a frightening case. Well, now what do you think if we send some greetings and congratulations. First of all, we want to send a very cordial greeting to Justine and Stephen. They are sons of Erika, Ribas for reasons of distance, of transfers.

44:58 They' re not together. They are in Ecuador and Panama. The mother misses them very much and wishes to send them this warm, fraternal, loving, friendly hug that they feel is near hopefully and soon they can see. I also have a special congratulations for Veronic Cullon. She is a teacher of English and French in Querétaro Mexico and has asked us to congratulate her and Rodrigo, who also listens to us. We send you both a big hug Thank you for being with us. I also want to send a congratulations to Giram Fuentes Varela in Mexico City. He will be years old soon, but we want to get ahead of ourselves and send this loving hug to Hiram Thank you for being friends with this channel and always accompany us. And of course we want to send a huge congratulations to Carla Hernández, who has recently celebrated, to the engineer Juan David Sánchez, who is in Cuawilla, in the north of Mexico, Jorge Contreras, who is in Durango, a friend of the channel, Cecilia Fe, who is in Uruguay, a beautiful place, IgA susana that always accompanies us, even if he does not participate in the chat wilmer Herza, which is also very attentive to us and has recently turned out to bea Lagares. We remember her a lot. See we always remember you, Alicia Pérez Oriano, who is celebrating years. Mary Rodríguez Prado, she is in Seville, Spain, and celebrates the day of kings I wish and

46:30 kings bring her many beautiful gifts. Angie Maldonado, who also celebrates the Day of the Kings I wish and in addition to a thread of kings, bring you very nice things. Charlie, who is a chirophysicist and energetic therapist and always accompanies us, and he meets just Isa g on the 4th of January, and Liana Morfin, who has also just turned years old and gives us great pleasure to know that we are all with each other. And clear to Silvana Montenegro, who greets her daughter Barbara and her niece Silvana. They have a very peculiar characteristic. They were all born on the same day in January and all three were born at very close times, so they share something more than the family bond. There' s something, there' s a union, there' s something that goes further. All three have a special sensitivity.

47:19 So there goes the hug for the three of us at once and clearly why not congratulate Jorge Aguilar, who is also a follower of the Canal and who is always with us. Thank you all so much for that pleasant and clear company. We want to thank Ricardo Montelongo, who is always looking out for us and supporting the Canal, Jonathan Rodriguez, who is in Canada and is a little sick and has had problems coviding in the family. We want everyone to recover very soon. Thank you very much for your support, mildered Ramos, mar Tania barus Nelli, da Robinson, Guadalupe Fuentes, Elizabeth Wise, who is always watching the channel and clear Patrick Rosso, Uncle Patrick, who never leaves us alone, Eric Valle lorin liff Park, Hio Juris Lara, Francisco Sanardo ting O Baby, who are also always outstanding. Thank you very much for your support to the channel through the donations and well, we also want to be a prompt recovery to several friends of the channel who are sick, Silvia Mejía Martínez de unnel, who have a health problem, but we hope that they will come out very soon. Along with Graciela Soriano, we also expect them to come out very soon. We want you to recover, as you get strong out of this. Jesus of the pig, who had an accident and has a broken arm and good we accompanied him. It must be very annoying. Even if it doesn' t hurt anymore, it must be very annoying. We hope that it will soon succeed and we have something else. This way. One person has asked us to send a message

48:55 to someone who has already started the trip. Princeton Amelie, Princess Amelie, listened to us, liked to hear us. Young lady has left, has already begun the journey and we know that there is something else. We tell the family don' t worry, we meet again. This isn' t the only dance we danced. There' s something else, there' s something good. Then there' s something big and there' ll be these people and we call her a good trip. Meli flies calmly. You have everything to be there in peace. Be great with them, do not let them be present in your prayers. Now that you are beyond, thank you for the time you allowed us to accompany you and well some other few greetings after this message. For the Olivares family who are in Austin, Texas, Diana Yunga, who is in Ecuador, Gabriel Rodríguez and his mom, Lilia Mendoza, who always listen to us, for Livery delivery guys in Aragon, Ecatepec, especially for Luis Mesa see that they are brave. Eh walking as a delivery man in today' s world requires a lot of courage and a lot of courage. Bravo for you, very lucky, very careful. We wish you all the best. Ingrid Aguilar and her boyfriend Kilowhisky, who always listen to us, have them very present. We remember them. A lot of whiskey. Ingrid, thank you. Karina Gutierrez and her mother Rossi,

50:29 who are in San Diego, California. Ana Díaz, who also listens to us, we always have her in mind, Monica and her husband José Miguel Sánchez, who are in Pachuca, Hidalgo, Mexico, Arelli and Casas and Julio, who are eleven years married and very happy. We love to know. Joan Vilchis and her daughter and granddaughter Romina, all listen to us. A hug to the three Ramón Dávalos and his wife, who are in Rialto, California, Alma Ramírez and Nairda Serimar, who are in Tijuana and Ensenada, respectively, in northern Mexico. Osvaldo Rubén Maciel Omis ninety- two, Sandra Ruiz and Beth Tottor of the Facebook community, who are always very active and we are delighted to see when things go up and so on. That has a life of its own. The Luna family is tremendous, especially Nancy, who is in Las Vegas snowfall, for Kell En Parz and for Certa Azteca, her daughter Janet Jiménez and his wife Lollis Hug everyone. We' re very happy to be accompanied as families. We have them very much in mind. We see messages on Facebook, we receive emails, we see comments on YouTube. It is something that fills us with taste very good night and rest in peace or you