S3E11 "Ain't Nobody Got Time For That'-Special Guest Desiree Esler

Don P-Pafifer Podcast Productions: Friends, wanna watch this episode? Catch the full video on YouTube. Just hit the link in the episode description below. You guys. Good my God. I'm okay. Long time no see, long time no talk. Okay. I got my husband in the background. Say hi to Gary. Hiya. That's my husband Lenny. Forty-two years. Wow. He's only forty two years old. He looks great. Yeah, you've been married as long as I've been on the planet. That's great. I you know, right? Right. Shut up. I have one memory lane question for you. Yes, please. Do you remember not. We're at your house, your parents were gone. Uh-huh. And we got into their liquor cabinet and drank like Cream de Meth. Do you remember that? No, but I I the first time I tried cream de myth and it was like, What is this? And I'm like, kind of good, but it's like ⁓ my god. You have to share that story, Darren. You have to tell that story because I've always been the one flying my friends with liquor at a young age. Yeah, we were. I think Gary's gonna get a trance stamp for his 65th. Well, there you go. And I'm paying for it. Yeah. Okay, well, I can't wait to see it then. No, don't you worry. Yes, I will alert the media. The toggling. The toggling is always the question. But what's the answer? Echo cancellation's toggled. I'm checking you. Check me out. Not echoed, so I'm gonna Okay, here's what it is. I'm gonna stop recording so I can toggle you. Is this gonna hurt? Not unless you like it to hurt. Hold on. One of these years and one of these one of these podcasts, we're gonna actually know figure out how to do this. How am I looking? Do I look toggled? You'd look absolutely toggled and twisted and tacked back. Okay. All right, let's do this. How you been? Good. ⁓ it's it's July already. This is well now it's what? It's mid July. It's crazy. Don't get me started because I went to the Costco the other day, a couple days ago. And guess what's there already? Shut up. Halloween. It's ⁓ I dare gonna say Christmas. No. That's that's next week. Seriously. The middle of July and Halloween is already up for these people to buy what the hell ever do you want to buy. It's like you know, this animatronic things, those crazy big Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Who the hell's buying that now? And they're all super expensive. Yeah, but who's buying it? Who's buying it? Who's buying that didn't buy it last year or during COVID when it was out in July? You think they'd wait till after Halloween when it goes on sale, but yeah, by then there's no inventory left. but that's just the thing. I mean, we've so taught consumers to buy it now because it's gonna be sold out. Like they're gonna they're gonna lap themselves one time. It's like, okay, here's Halloween for twenty twenty nine. Yeah. Because it's gonna sell out a year early. It's it's madness. Don't get me started. It don't get me started. Summer's going by like that, maybe. Right. It's going by really fast. And of course, you know, we're San Francisco and our summer is not California's summer, it's San Francisco's summer. Get out the muklux. Bring on those layers, people. But think about the wonderful fall you're gonna have in about two months. Right. ⁓ so let me tell you, so fourth of July, two hundred and fiftieth anniversary, you know, birthday for the country. Yes. So of course everyone did their big, you know, fireworks show as usual. But You know, because you lived here, ⁓ July 4th in San Francisco is not the clear skies, the warm days of California. Nope. So I will say that last year was an exception. I happened to be at Fisherman's Wharf with some visiting relatives in Mexico. Yeah. And I said, Well, you know, we're here and the fiber is gonna be shot from here, so we should just hang out here. And we did, and by miracle of miracles, ⁓ clear sky. Got to see the fireworks right there in our face. And then from Fisherman's Wharf to my home, they said, We'll give you a ride home. If I were to drive from there on any other day, ten minutes. That night, two hours. Because of course, you know, the thousands that converge. So this year, ⁓ they said, We're gonna do something different. We're gonna shoot the fireworks off of the Golden Gate Bridge. So You know Golden Gate Bridge. The only way to get there is on surface streets, whether it's your own car or a bus or a Uber or or one of those scooters or whatever. But there's no metro that goes there. So everyone's gotta be on the streets. ⁓ course it was foggy, low fog. So they shot ⁓ off the bridge and what you saw was like three inches of fireworks and then just disappeared in the clouds. ⁓ Thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people decided, let's go to the marina. Now, on any given weekend, parking is going to be a pain because there's no parking lot. I well, there is some parking there, but it's not for the thousands that show up. So they were all stuck in traffic getting there. And then they probably a lot of them probably double and triple parked just so they can look out their, you know, car and and see the clouds all lit up. And then they had to Go home. And it was like hours and hours. And people on social media were bitching and, you know, criticizing the city and the mayor. And you didn't do right. And I'm thinking, you know what I did that night? I took the metro in the opposite direction to Civic Center, because they have that beautiful light installation. And yes, it was there was fog, but no crowds, no traffic, because I walked to the metro, I had dinner, I walked to City Hall, I walked back to the metro. You know, so it was just I was home by You know, 10 o'clock, whatever. But ⁓ it just made me laugh that these people were like bitching and moaning for being stuck in travel. Okay. So a couple of questions. ⁓ statement first. We both lived in San Francisco for many decades, a couple of decades at least. And I've in probably my whole time living in San Francisco, I have seen fireworks in the marina maybe twice. In And don't you think that the people that actually live in the city would get it by now that that doesn't work. It doesn't happen. So you either go south or east, somewhere else if you really want to see a fireworks. Go to another city, go to Marin County, go to the East Bay. And everyone's shooting off fireworks. So how many people of these were locals or were they out of towners, do you think? Actually some of my neighbors who were local wanted to go there. I'm like, enjoy, have fun. Just no way would I ⁓ hey, so do we want to ⁓ take a little break to do our formal intro? Because we haven't done that yet. Okay, yes, we should do that with the with the whole thing. I better practice. Let me get my post-its out. Okay, yes. What color are they? Pink. Good, nice. Okay, so we'll take a break and come back? Yes. All right. Don't make fun of me. Would I ever make fun of you? We're cutting now. Yes. So this is the official opening of this episode of Don and Gary doing sixty. I am Gary. He's Don. I'm Don. And I prompted Gary, I said he had to do it very well today because we were kind of out of practice. So there's no pressure. So this is the podcast for people of a certain age and how we navigate at that age. ⁓ sometimes it's just the two of us, sometimes we have a guest. Today we have a guest that we will bring on in about eight minutes. ⁓ so we have to stretch. Here, let me do my part. Let me do my portion of it then. Okay. Here it is. Welcome to the Don and Gary podcast. We're here to unpack and unwrap and navigate the world at this age. Do you know you covered your face for that? I know I did. And we've only been at this, what, three years right now? And I still haven't memorized that, which is very sad and says a lot and testimonial to my actually ability to retain information. It's it's tough out there. Well, let me finish it off. We're here to ⁓ unpack and navigate, like I said. Where the stories are real and the knees and hips are questionable. Are in need of help. Anyway. And of course you can see all of this and all of that, or all of that, depending on which way the camera's facing towards Gary. ⁓ On our YouTube channel at PFI for Pod. You can't miss it. There's so much good stuff there. Plus our website on Pod Page. You wanna do it with me? Podpage. Where you can actually see all of our old episodes, ⁓ our blog, all of the information, how we came to be us, which is a huge good read. I think should maybe should go over there and explore that for sure. Yeah, so check it out. ⁓ one thing I will add to that is I do not recommend swinging a dead cat. Okay. Well, no. ⁓ it's a figure of speech. For the kids. We don't really h there no there's no harming of animals in this podcast. We do not recommend it and we do not practice it. So, yes, I mentioned we do have a guest today. Yes. Now interesting, I met her first in elementary school, and then she switched to your middle school. Yes. And then she came to our high school. So she's been in and out of our lives for Decades. And didn't she come into our high school and then leave our high school and she did a different high school. She she she will tell us the story, but it's a journey of school hopping in the San Mateo ⁓ school system. Yes. But she she did come back for a couple of years, freshman and sophomore, and then moved. And we'll find out why she moved so much. I don't I don't know the reason. But she did come back but was not able to join us at Aragon High School for her senior year. So graduated from another high school. Because I did look at our yearbook and I'm like, why isn't she in our graduating class? Right. And yet she showed up at our reunion. I'm like, I'm confused. So we will sort all this out. Yes. Share ⁓ she can share stories of you and of me in her youth. And she's been threatening since we've been speaking with her and negotiating the salary that we would pay her to come on to the podcast. And by the way, the check is in the mail, and we'll have to ask her whether she received it or not when she comes on. But basically she's been threatening this one story that she's always shared with me about you that she's going to basically release on the air and probably it will go viral. ⁓ I've got questions for her too. ⁓ I'm no doubt. We will clarify and get to the bottom of the truth. I I think we should contact TMZ right now to get the c the clips to go on TV like that because once it starts, there's no shutting this down. It's a lot like Timothy Shamalama Ding Dong who like said stupid things. You know, once you guys start talking, I'm afraid that this will just collapse the interwebs. ⁓ well w would that be a good thing or a bad thing? Well, I'd like to say we did it, then we can use it on our next podcast, whatever that turns out to be. All right. So when you s when you see her knocking the door, just let you can let her in. I'm gonna let her in. So ⁓ I must say and comment very quickly on your sexy ⁓ Lauren Bacall slash Kathleen Turner morning voice, because it's it's doing something, it's percolating in my blood right now. Well, as I alluded off camera to you, is that this is the first time I'm speaking this morning. I mean it's you know, ten o'clock in the morning. I've been up for th three hours, but you know, I live alone. Don't talk to anyone. Well And so I have my Lauren Bacall mm good cup of coffee voice to ⁓ start you off with. Well, I've got a husband and two dogs, and I haven't talked to either of them, and I've been some since six thirty. So wow. ⁓ I'm kidding. I have to talk to them. So did you say our guest is here or not? ⁓ not yet, but we can talk about it because I don't want we have to stretch. Yes. Okay. No, no, no, no. I just thought I'd want to keep her waiting. So ⁓ what else has been going on with you? Well, quick thing about the the the Fourth of July thing. Of course, you know, the FIFA or the World Cup has been going on locally. And this has truly traumatized my my dogs. The night of Fourth of July, it was really crazy. There was a constant din of fireworks. Like it's just like literally a constant sound of explosions and things like fireworks stuff going on. It's always hard for pets. Next year we're not gonna stay here. I know that of course Fourth of July also you know, corresponded with the the World Cup and there were lots of celebrations in conjunction with that. But I gotta say, and our dog Boomer, actually I can you can see right down here in the corner, Rockets asleep in the bed behind me. Boomer now goes under the bed every night. Every night, not just fireworks nights? No, now he's so anyway, that's my dog trauma. I've got to do some dog whispering for him because now he's convinced that every night it's gonna happen. And I gotta say it's still going on. And what kills me Last thing I'll covet about that is the fact that most fireworks are banned in the the beach cities. So here, Renondo, Hermosa, Manhattan, but you cannot fire off fireworks. Well, but but individuals can't. But the city can do something or they can have a celebration, which they did, but in the outlying areas like Hawthorne, Inglewood, Ingleside, things things east of here or south of here, sorry. East of here. East and south, you can actually fire off fireworks. So they have to fire I don't know if you remember, but in San Mateo they used to have fireworks stands, you know, in the parking lot. They're all over here on the perimeter of the city. So unfortunately, it gets out of hand and people s keep firing off ⁓ eighties and all this other bottle rockets and I mean I like a good fireworks short too, you know, but ⁓ not in my backyard. So yeah, no, here in the Bay Area they've pretty much, you know, it's like it's a sanctioned city show, not for individuals. Although Somehow people manage to get ⁓ and somehow during the night you will hear fireworks go off, you know, randomly. No Well again, maybe they did blow off their thumb and they won't be able to light one next year. Is that bad? I guess I'll edit that out. Yes. No, that's fine. So let me brag about yesterday here in San Francisco we had a ⁓ one a city wide thing called One City Day. It was ⁓ an idea of the mayor's wife ⁓ to have people volunteer across the city and all kinds of things. So you click on a link and depending on the neighborhood, there was a trash pickup or, you know, tree planting or maybe feed the homeless or, you know, just some sort of beautification or cleanup or something in your neighborhood. And you would pick what where you want to go and what you want to do. So ⁓ it was the first time they did it. So in our neighborhood they contacted the fire department and said, Hey, can we do some presentations on disaster preparedness. So I co hosted one of them in ⁓ Mission Bay, which is behind the baseball stadium, with another volunteer. And ⁓ we just, you know, gave tips and and ⁓ information about what people can do for disaster to prepare for disaster. So that was good. It was a fun day. And then then I saw ⁓ on Instagram various things going around the city and it drew a lot of people. ⁓ it was well received. So I assuming that'll be once a year. So it's just a a good day to spend a couple of hours, maybe meeting new f new neighbors and and working together for, you know, some cost in your neighborhood. So I thought it was a great And I have to say I am so proud to call you my friend because you have been so dedicated to this cause for such a long time. And it's so amazing, not amazing, it's it's so imp inspiring to me to see you so involved with this community and what you do all the time. So don't a tear came to my eye, but I know you can't cry because you had your tear duts removed back in nineteen ninety seven. So that was me. What a mistake that was. I lost three pounds that week. But but yeah, so no, congratulations. You're such a good community leader. It's a and inspirational for people to get involved with the community. It's amazing. Well, you know, it's fun. I mean, in my twenties when I moved to San Francisco, I just thought, well, I what can I do? I wanna I don't know what I want to do, but I want to do something. What whatever it was. And I happen to be riding my bike in Golden Gate Park and it was the day before they were doing the big ⁓ AIDS walk. And, you know, they were setting up and there's just all these people around ⁓ and I ran into someone who's on the staff and I said, Do you what are you doing? And she told me, like, Well, do you need help? So that's that was the next day I was there helping out passing out water to people as they were walking by. So that's what started. I did it with them for several years and then have done volunteer work ever since. So and now I'm sixty. So I've only been volunteering. Speaking of that speaking of that ⁓ our special guest is here. Shall I let her in? Let her in. Okay, don't forget, let's let me negotiate the salary that we paid her, okay? ⁓ Welcome. Hello. Hi guys. How are you today? Good. Good morning to you. Awesome. We've been setting things up and we gave a couple teasers. Okay. We have to ask one question before we start anything because we hope that you signed the contracts that you're going to pay you the exorbitant amount of money that we're paying you. So the big question from both Gary and I is Did you get the check? No. Okay. Well, it was nice talking to you. All right. I mean, yes, yes, I did. Yes. Thank you so much. Don't get it. Don't cash it. Okay, darling. Okay, because Gary has to wire funds to pay for it because we had to negotiate such a high salary to get you on. You know. But I'm worth every penny. Yes. That's what I that's what you keep telling us. So we'll see. Somebody's gonna believe it sometime. Right. Thank you for joining us. Yes. Thank you. So we're on YouTube and also ⁓ you know via podcast. So for those that don't see you, they can only hear you. This is someone that Don and I have known for years. I I said I met her in elementary school. Yes. Don met her in middle school, and then we both met up with her again in high school for a few years. So you've been in and out of our lives. Yep. We know you made named Desiree Garrett, but you ⁓ married, so a married name Estler. Yes. So ⁓ We'll start let's start at the beginning. Okay. So I met you I was born in nineteen sixteen aboard plaque child. Now I was gonna Gary, I was gonna say the exact same thing. ⁓ How did you come into my life first? At Sunnybrae. We were in Sunnybrae Elementary School. And we were Probably second grade. Second grade, that sounds right. Played handball. We were the king and queen of handball. I was gonna say that was one of my titles. I was the king of handball. Yep. The king of handball? Yeah, I don't know how. Shut up. And you know what else I was the king of? Square dancing. ⁓ there you go. How many years were you at Sunny Bray? From second grade to all the way to fifth or three years. Okay, so second, third, and fourth grade? Something like that. Okay. Something like that. So I have a very important question for ⁓ you. That we're gonna reveal right now. Wait, wouldn't it? 'Cause so if we're second grade, that means we're seven years old, roughly. Yeah, give or take. Were we boyfriend and girlfriend? Kind of. I will tell you. Okay, here's something that not a lot of my friends know. But yes, I had a huge, huge crush on gear. He was so cute. I even cut his picture out of our class picture and held on to it. I don't know where it is now. I lost it a long time ago. But I held on to that picture for forever. Forever. Yes. So I As much as you can be boyfriend and girlfriend in like second or third grade. Right. But I could call I never tried anything. No, no. We were just no, we were just really, really good friends and and we w I went to daycare close to where you live. And so you and our friend Karen, we used to meet up at the park. after school. Karen Williams? Yep. Okay, yeah, because her family lived on the other side of the park. Yeah. Yes. So we would walk home and then we'd get to go to the park. I mean I wouldn't let my grandkids go up to the park at that age by themselves now. But Yeah. Well back then a much different story. Yeah. And and my mom still lives in that same house right by that park. So yeah. Yeah. Ninety nine years old. I saw that. That is so awesome. That is so amazing. She looks great. She does. Yeah. She's doing really well. Yeah. So I have a a memory of Desiree from grade school is she was an influence to many students for one thing. Well, I'm sure many things, but this is one thing I recall. Is it we'd be in class and the teacher would ask a question and if you knew the answer, normally you just like raise your hand and the teacher would pick on you. So there was a wind up and a setup. I have to like demonstrate it here. I have to move my mic and demonstrate it. She would kind of lean up on one arm. ⁓ yeah. And then start the ooh ooh ooh ooh. And then the the teacher knew I guess Desiree knows the answer. So and people would mimic her. So she started that. Others would just like raise their hand, but she was like and really get into it. Like she really wanted to get the answer out. I wanted to show you how smart I was. Did you really know the answer? Or would is that just how you got the teacher to pick you? You really knew ⁓ the answer. Yeah. Probably. Okay. Probably. We're just gonna go with probably. I'm I'm in a room full of second grades graders. I know the answer. You know what? My granddaughter is the exact same way. ⁓ that's she knows all and tells more. ⁓ yes. But I just I love the whole setup. I still picture it, you know, one arm and kind of balance yourself and then raise the arm and just I was short. Okay. I had to make sure the teacher saw me. Yeah. Just saying. That's what I'm going with. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it. You're sticking to it. Yes. So you were at Sunny Bray for a couple years, and then at some point you then were going to middle school. Yes. And that's where you connected with where you met Don, right? I believe so. Tell us. Any stories you want to share? Were you his girlfriend too? No. No. I do have one story that's a little embarrassing. And I you probably remember once I bring it up. Embarrassing for her or embarrassing for you? Or L for me. For L ⁓ good. Please share. You know, we did have a neighbor and a mutual friend named Helen. Yes. Lived up the street from me. Yes. And one night I cl I think I snuck over to the backyard and we all hung out all night in her backyard. And then Helen's mom came out in the morning and caught me there and sent me home. Well, no war. Because I wasn't supposed to be at the girls' house overnight. How old were you? I mean middle school, right? So we were probably what thirteen twelve. Twelve, eleven, twelve, something like that. It was completely harmless. But you know, boys and girls didn't spend the night together anywhere. So And Don, where were your parents in this story? They were asleep. I snuck out. I did that all the time. It's the beginning of a very beautiful relationship with sneaking out. That's a life story for you. Yeah, probably. Anyway, that was that's my one embarrassing moment that No mine would be what were we, high school and at Donnie's house while his parents were gone. One of my first I won't say my first, but one of my first real experiences with sneaking alcohol. You can call it sneaking because his parents weren't home. Right. You know, so we're like, ooh, what did they have? And they had this green bottle, this bottle with green liqueur creme de menthe. I think of it now, I'm thinking, I don't know if I can drink that now. But no drank it then. We drank it then. It was like, Wow, look at us. We're drink we're drink I don't even know. I I somebody told me I guess you can make is it ⁓ I know there's a grasshopper dessert you'd probably use that in, but there is there a drink called a grasshopper also? Yes, there is. But here's the thing. What I've noticed now in all of these years that we've been doing this podcast, for some reason My house and my youth is synonymous with introducing every of my all of my friends to alcohol somehow. So it kind of started a trend that continues on with me at this current time in my life. There you go. Well I'm so happy to be a contributor. Well here's another trend, ⁓ with Don being home alone with alcohol and no parents. Yeah. I'll give you the abridged ⁓ story. ⁓ high school graduation, ⁓ everyone else went to Disneyland. Our group decided let's go to Don's house and we'll have a party there. And may I don't know if I'm mixing parties up because one was a to I ended up being a toga party. But that wasn't the same night as the graduation. So that was a different one. Okay. So okay, so the toga party was like, wouldn't it be fun? Because Anna is late you know, before we still in high school, Animal House had come out the movie. Wouldn't it be fun if we dress up ⁓ in togas because Don was having a party at his house? So they all converged on my family home. All the boys went in one room, all the girls went another bedroom, everyone changed in the togas. Mom's just standing in the hallway looking at other people in sheets. Get in the cars, drive over to Don's house. We park like a block away and try and giggle and sneak our way down the block. Meanwhile, he's got one guest who has shown up at the party. Everyone's late. We're super late. And he's, you know, pretty much in tears sicking, everyone hates me, no one's coming to my party. We get there, we cause a big ruckus because we're on sheets. Get inside, there's alcohol, whatever, and then party crashers from down the street come and Police have to be called. ⁓ God. It was great. Yeah. Everyone had to like get rid of all the alcohol. Right. I mean, it was just a big thing. Okay. Let me finish this one off because I know we've been talking about for all then. We'll get to our guest. Okay. But there was another party we had for graduation and it involved, guess what? Alcohol. So everyone had booze. I don't know how it happened. It happened. But all of a sudden it was kind of like a a rom-com comedy Keystone Cop moment because All of a sudden the cops were called and they showed up and they said, The cops are at the door and all of a sudden everyone's like throwing booze in the garbage cans. It's like all the booze are being hidden under cushion. It was amazing to watch all those bottles of booze lying around everywhere, being hidden under pillow cushions, thrown in the backyard, thrown in the garbage can, and we had to finally open the door and everybody's like, Hi, officer, what's up? Hi, what's no alcohol here? Anyway. So yes, that was fun. I was amazing. Desar as our guests. Gary, take it ongoing. Let's talk more about you. Yes. So let's talk about me. Because you you you were going from in and out of different schools and you had mentioned that you came back to our high school Aragon for only the first two years. Yes. And you were moving away ⁓ it's like are you like a military family where you had to keep moving or excuse me. No, a lot of people think that because we did move so much we moved so much because of my dad's job. Okay. He was in banking. So he opened up a lot of ⁓ I don't know if you remember, was it ⁓ California Canadian Bank downtown San McCain? My dad opened that. Okay. And he opened up a lot of the Glendale Federal Savings down in Southern California. So we were down there a lot. Okay. And then unfortunately, after like twenty three years, my parents divorced, and then ⁓ my mom ⁓ got a boyfriend. And he helped open up the Anhouser Bush ⁓ facility here in Fairfield. So he moved up here. So my mom's like, you know what? It's cheaper up there, which was true. And so we moved up here in my junior year. ⁓ I hated it. Gotta I mean it was like going backwards from San Mateo. I mean Sonny, I think you did this with us. We used to take the bus to Half Moon Bay and stuff, right? I mean, we'd go there all day. Yeah. Come back, take the bus back home and all I mean, we couldn't do that here. There I mean their idea of a bus system was literally a minivan driving around town. Okay. Yeah. It felt like the nineteen sixties instead of the nineteen, you know, almost nineteen eighty. Yeah. So we just ended up staying I did come back down for another year. I did end up finishing high school at San Mateo High. ⁓ 'cause I went back down and stayed with my sister. and her husband because they had a newborn who was kinda sick. So I stayed with them to help watch their three year old. And then my sisters decided to move here and I'm like, No, no. You don't want to go there. Nothing to do. You don't want you know, and now that I've been here for forty plus years, it's like when I go back down to the Bay Area, it's like, ⁓ my God, no, no. I don't think I could live here now. It's you know, it's it's such a Culture shock at first, you know. But I mean, for years we could my husband and I could go anywhere on any given day and see at least two or three people that we know. I couldn't do that in San Mateo if I tried now, you know. Sure. But so, you know, yeah, that's kind of that's kind of it in a nutshell how we ended up here and you know, now I've been been married for forty two years and raised my kids here and now raising my you know. Helping with my grandbabies and so on. So it's it's it's a pretty good life. I enjoy it now. And did you meet your husband there in Fairfield? Actually. Okay, so I lived in Vacaville and I worked with his mom. Okay. So I always tell people I was hand-picked by my mother-in-law. So my mother in law Wasn't an arranged marriage. Sort of. But I would laugh because, you know, the true me would come out from time to time and be really sarcastic or whatever. And then she would tell me. I don't know if I want you to meet my son. Let me, let me, let me. So, you know, and then ⁓ we got engaged and I don't drink coffee. Can't there's nothing about coffee that I like at all. And my husband's a coffee drinker, so my mother in law told me, Well, you're gonna have to learn to drink coffee if you're gonna marry him. I said, Well, here's the deal. I'll help make it, but I will never drink it. Not no matter no Just, I don't care how sweetened it is, there's nothing about coffee that I like. So And now do you drink coffee or still no? How about a little creme de mens? Maybe that would help it with that. I'm gonna say no coffee, no creme de meds. I wouldn't I would do that before I went to drink coffee. ⁓ Wow. For sure. So So children, grandchildren, right? Career has been a steady pace too, right? Yes. So I s you know, my first job was at Taco Bell. That is still probably my favorite job. I loved I loved working at that Taco Bell. Brand new. It was just it was awesome. And I learned a lot actually from that job. You know, customer service, being polite, making sure your dining room's always clean. But I mean, stuff like that that n and I go into places like that now and I'm like, ⁓ my God. If our owners saw this place now, all of these people would be fired. Wow. You know? So I mean, it was a good most people started at McDonald's. I started at Taco Bell. Was it the one in San Mateo? Yeah. It was on on thirty third or fourth Avenue. Actually the one on Norfolk that was right by Highway Ninety Two. ⁓ okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. ⁓ my gosh. Yeah. I think it's is it still there? No, unfortunately it's not there anymore. But it's ⁓ is it's now it's been like an apple fritter place for many years. Something like that. Okay, but I so I know where that is. Okay. So yeah, so that was my first job. And then I was in banking for eight years, eight or nine years. Like I said, so that's where I met Where and I met my husband 'cause I was working at a bank with his mom. Okay. And then after my second son was born, ⁓ I was working at a branch and a lady from our local radio station, the radio station had their bank accounts with us and she's like You would be perfect for this job. If you ever want a job and I'm like, you know what? I do. 'Cause banking was kinda starting to shift a little bit and I was just like I don't think this is my dad was in banking all his life, but ⁓ and I have a sister who still emb is a loan officer for a credit union here in town. So but I was like, I I don't think I wanna do that. Radio kinda sounds like fun and I'm not on the radio. I've been on but I like schedule all the commercials for the radio stations and the AEs go out and sell the airtime and I schedule it. So if you listen to the radio it's like Does place that spot, you know? Yeah. So ⁓ I've been doing that for ships, Desiree. Can you get any one sponsorships? Like if we were starting to push ivory soap, could you get us that gig? Is that part of your do you know what? I could probably slide it in under the radar. Sure I could. Well let's find some products to sell. Go ⁓ on. Dod and Gary coffee mugs. ⁓ no, we don't drink coffee. Can't can't be coffee. Can't be coffee. No, no. You know, I could do those as giveaways. Creme de myth. Cra yes. D and G creme de menth. There you go. There you go. Why not? But yeah, so I've just been doing that for like I said, my gosh. Let's see, Matthew would have been thirty-eight. So I think I started when Matthew was like five or something like so like thirty three years or close Yeah, yeah. I started in ninety three. So yeah. So I've been doing it a minute. It's a badge of honor though, I think. It's generational because Gary's also held a job for quite a few years. I'm coming up on thirty eight years. So what do you do, Gary? I work for a company that we ⁓ sell ⁓ furniture to hotels. ⁓ okay. So I'm like the assistant to the president, I'm customer service, I'm sales support, I'm kind of a wear many hats. Yeah. But I've I've been working for him since October of nineteen eighty eight. Good for you. Yeah. Yeah, you're right, Donnie. That is that's that's kind of unheard of. But it's a badge of honor, and I know we kind of alluded to this too, but just quickly when we were kveching about, you know, the the state of the Talco talco about that you l worked in how you learned how to be polite, how to keep the thing. Do you think, Desiree, in any way that we turn into our parents as we get older? Because it's You that old thing. You know that saying, ⁓ my God, I've become my mother. Yes. In a lot of ways. Yeah. Yes. And I like to think some of the values she passed on to me that I've passed on to my kids when ⁓ real quick when When my oldest was twelve, our insurance agent was coming over to the house. So I had called Tucker and said, Hey, John's coming. You can let him in the house. Okay. So when John came over, Tucker let him in and and 'cause he beat me home. And John just looked at me and he said, I have got to tell you he is the most polite young man. You just don't see that anymore. ⁓ Some water, place to sit. He goes, You don't see that with a lot of kids now. And I'm like, Well, thank you, you know. So yeah, I like to think some of that stuff my husband and I helped pass down to our kids, you know. Yeah, absolutely. I mean we could kvetch about the the s the other stuff, but the things that you're handing down to your children is so important too, because you've instilled something really amazing in him too. Yes. Yeah. My husband is still very much opened the door for me, you know, and stuff and Now I laugh because I love my husband, but when my kids were, I don't know, probably teenagers, you know, and learning that they can say a few other things that they couldn't say when they were younger or stuff they could say to their dad. And one day I'll never forget this. I don't even remember what it was that my son said, but they s my boys were saying something kidding around and my husband's like, Don't talk that way in front of your mother. I'm not a flower. I've probably said that too. So But you know, but it's it's it's nice to see that, you know, some parents still do pass those qual the quanti but whatever you want to say. Values, I think, and and values quality, absolutely you know, because a lot of that I think is going by the wayside. I totally agree. And if we spent we could spend a whole episode just talking about how the children not your children, but the children out there our audience also is like lost so much of so many things. So I won't go down that rabbit hole, but I was just saying, you know, it is a great thing that you can instill so many great values and things that are important to your children 'cause they'll pass them on to their children too. Great. So it's so important. Yep. Which leads to you have grandchildren. So how many grandchildren do you have? As a matter of fact, my granddaughter, her other grandma and I are taking her to go see the new Moana movie today. Okay. So it's it's a grandma so I am Gigi and the other her other grandma is Mimi and we're like We're all very, very close. And we used to tell people that she and I dated along with our son and daughter in law 'cause they were, you know, barely high school when they started dating. So we're like, you know, we'll go with you. We won't sit in the same place at the movie theater as you, but we'll go with you. Yeah. And stuff, you know. So we don't do that anymore. But we're still very, very close. And so we spend a lot of time, you know, together and whatever with our grandkids and stuff. So I have a Ten and a half year old granddaughter named Charlie, who is just the light of our life. Just and she's a mama girl and a Mimi and Gigi girl. And then there's Declan. He's seven and a half. And my husband is his whole world. His I mean, he's a mama boy, but he's also whenever Papa's around, Papa's the one he gravitates to all the time. Yeah. I think part of that is my husband. I may find this hard to believe. My husband's very quiet. And our I know, right? Well, around you everybody's quiet. So go ahead. Also, ⁓ but he's autistic. But you know, being around him and just learning so much from him and learning patience and just your love for this child is on a whole different level than it was for your own kids and and my granddaughter. You know, I love them. the same but d you know, as the saying goes, I love him the same but different. Sure. You know? And he's, you know, to he's nonverbal, but he does try to speak. And, you know, when I the first time he got in tr he got in trouble a couple, I don't know, a month or two ago. Cause he was just too wound up for his dad, for my son. So dad said, go take a timeout. So he sat on the stairs. Now I know he can count to 10, but I heard him count to twenty. For the first time, and I almost started to cry. And I just looked at my son and I'm like, he counted to 20. And he goes, Yeah. I said, I've never heard him do that. And he goes, I've never heard him do it by himself. Because he can repeat, you know, so you know what he's trying to say. But it's when you hear them say something for the first time, you're just like blown away. You know? Yeah. And it's just And my granddaughter, she is just the best big sister for him. She will always be his champion. Now he's almost an inch taller than her, and he's three years younger, but she will always be she will be her mom. Her mom is a spitfire and loves fiercely and protects her family. And Charlie will be the exact same way. No matter how big Declan gets, Charlie will always be his biggest champion. So it's it's it's amazing. It's amazing to watch. And I I saw I I read an article once of somebody I know who whose son is autistic and she said, you know, when you see that family or that mom in the store with a child who's acting out, don't always assume it's just a child who's throwing a tantrum because they're not getting something they want, you know. And it could be basically a special needs child that, you know, they don't they can't they have a they can't c always communicate. So you have to learn how to communicate and sometimes you just have to let them throw that fit. Maybe try and take them out of the store or whatever. But don't always just assume that they're just being you know Behaving badly. Be behaving badly. And you know, since knowing them and now having an autistic grandchild, it's like, wow, I really can understand that now. You know? Yeah, and I think w on the same lines 'cause we one of the questions we ask about is reinvention, you know, as we grow as we age. And it sounds like you are also reinventing in a way too, because you're learning a brand new skill on how to deal with your grandchild, right? So there's always something to learn. Exactly. You know, so yourself also, I know you've been in your career for a number of years, but also the fact that you are learning how to deal is it Declan his name? Declan. Mm-hmm. Declan. So Declan actually has some things that you need to learn. Yourself. So it's not just about his learning, it's actually about your relearning. And your relearning your skills. Exactly. That's very cool. You know, it's like they say you you know, people think that there's no place in the world or they're they're they're, you know, not normal or whatever. And it's like, you know, try and put yourself in their world. Try, you know, and try and see the world through their eyes, you know, and and you know, I'm learning how to be More calm, use a more calm voice with him, especially when he's getting upset. You know. He the one of the great things that they've done is he has an iPad that they call his talker. And they add new words all the time. This boy can manipulate the he can just run through this thing like it's nothing and get to exactly what he wants. And it's, you know, you we're getting better, but my husband bought a ⁓ an e trike. So he takes Declan for a ride all the time. On and he just sits there with his helmet on and he and Papa go explore Bacaville, you know, but he'll be like, I want bike, I want wagon. Pool is really good, you know, we have a little blow up pool and he always wants to be in the pool. So, you know, it's just a matter of yes, reinventing yourself, learn learning how to learn on his level and what he's trying to communicate. So And I Think that's an important thing that we should just share with people too. As we, as all of us, the three of us and all of our audiences, everyone we're reaching out to age, there's never a time you stop learning how to do something or have an opportunity given to you to learn something. So this sounds like a great skill. Maybe you could parlay this into being a special needs instructor in some You know what? That is, you know, when you when you go into what do you want to do when you retire? So one of the things I wanted to do, and I may still do is. I love to bake. I can't decorate worth a hoot nanny darn but I can bake. And I'm teaching that with my granddaughter. Like her other grandma does crafts and stuff with her. I bake and she loves to bake. And so I thought, ⁓ maybe I'll take like cake decorating, cookie decorating classes and you know, I'm not creative in that way, but you know, I can always learn. I learned how to make buttercream frosting and doing all this stuff. But then I thought, you know, one of the things I may do i is become what they call a para at the school where Declan goes so I can go with him through each level of school and be with him. Mm-hmm. You know, because excuse me, you know, there these teachers these tea I have the utmost respect for these teachers because that's a lot. And it's not just one kid that they're with every day. It's I think there's like six or eight. kids in his class at any one time. And he's going into second grade and I just think maybe I'll maybe I'll become a para and work with some of these with these kids because of working with Declan. And then again, learn some other skills that I can take with me to help him along with his with his life. And I bet you people would appreciate you passing those skills that you've learned on to other family members. to benefits of I mean I see there's a whole string of things going on when and if retirement comes your way. Yeah that could be very fulfilling for you too. Right. Speaking of how long do you want to keep working? Probably another two years. Okay. I'll be sixty seven in two years. So I'm I'm thinking my husband retired at sixty seven. So he just retired or he retired really at sixty six. But he retired last year. But I mean with what I do, I work on a computer all day. So mine mine's mental, not physical. Not saying I don't use a few choice words from time to time. No. Probably more than I should in my job. But you know, I'm one of those I have to get it out first and then I can finish my job. So, you know, tell people don't take it personally. If you hear me, it's just me getting my frustration out. But, you know, I don't know, maybe another year or two. If if my husband had his ditters, I'd probably be retired now. But I'm like, let's get one of us retired first. See how that you know, manage that first. Yeah. And then and then then I'll, you know, think about it. Okay. And and so when you do think about it enough, so you've already talked about you kind of have a plan that maybe you'll transition into, but I if you just think about retirement itself, is that something you're looking forward to or Yes. I think so. I you know, I just one of our best friends, he had to retire ten years ago. And God no, that's been longer than that. My son's been gone fifteen years, so Mike's been retired fourteen. And he's like, don't retire without a plan. Have something to do, you know. And we didn't realize at that time. So we help with our grandson. a lot. So my son and daughter-in-law both work full-time. And so my granddaughter can go to the after school programs, but Declan cannot. So, you know, we talked with the financial planner and like, we have to be able to stay in our home. We have to be able to stay here. Because as long as my kid is here and my grandbabies are here, this is where we need to be. You know, I want to be, but kind of need to be more for Declan than for Charlie because it really does take a village to help raise a special needs child. So so yeah, I'm looking forward to it and spending more time with him. when COVID first hit, we worked out a plan where I had Declan Monday through Friday mornings because he wasn't in school yet and he wasn't in preschool. So I had him in the mornings. My daughter in law had him in the afternoon. And then when he started school I mean, almost started crying because I'm like, ⁓ my God, I'm gonna miss my baby. I'm not gonna have them every day. You know? And so I mean, I just I love babies. I'm a baby person. So and we have a lot of them in my family. But you know, I didn't realize how much I really loved that until you know, you don't realize how much you love something or like something until you don't have it anymore. Right. You know. with anything in life, whether it's your grandkids, t friends, jo whatever. And ⁓ so yeah, that's I'm looking forward to spending a little bit more quality time with him and my granddaughter. You know, she's just she is she is just a spitfire. She's a perfect combination of my son. And I find this hard to believe, my son's more on the calm side. My daughter in law, she is just sit fire and she hasn't let anyone or anything stand into her way and they're raising Charlie to be the same way and I just could not be be happier for that. I mean and she's and Charlie just she's got that heart of gold. She lo she's like us. She loves babies and you know, she's never met a stranger, you know, kind of thing. So yeah. So I'm looking forward to it. Yeah, I'm spending a little bit more time with my babies. And it's good that y you mentioned about the friend that didn't have a plan. It's because that's one thing is if you talk about or think about retirement, it's like great, well, what am I gonna do? Now there's some people that can like pick up a hobby, you know, I'm gonna play more golf or more tennis, I'm gonna travel more, which is all good. Yes. But in terms of the day to day stuff, you know, what do you do? Yes. my brother retired about three about three years ago. And just at the same time that his daughter had a baby. So now just like you, he is just the doting grandparent. There you go. And they all we all live close by. So he can help out at a moment's notice to you know, have her stay over his house or he goes to their house or watch her for the day. Yeah. And, you know, she's the light of his life. So ⁓ you know and and he's ⁓ one that likes to keep busy. So if he's not watching the kid he's over your house fixing your faucet or something, right? Yes. My husband My husband's that way. Yeah. That's awesome. Yeah. I love hearing stuff like that. So okay, so switching gears a little bit. We're all apparently a certain age. Gary alleges to this age that we're supposedly ⁓ we all are. But is there any questions that you would like people either to stop asking you or to start asking you? So when I'm with my sisters, who's older? Baby. I'm the baby. I'm the baby girl. I have two younger brothers, but I'm the baby girl at That happened to us in the house. I had to take my sister to the hospital the other day, and the doctor's like, Who's older? And I'm like, Seriously? Really? And even my nephew, my sister said he did not say that about Auntie. There's no way. She goes, I swear to God. And I'm like, he was just being nice. He was just being nice. Let's see. ⁓ how did you age so gracefully? That'd be a good one. That'd be a good one. I like that one. Yes. Any any any forms of ageism that you experience in the workplace or out there in the world that you have seen? Or me personally. No. What I what I got was so I was very active. I know I'm on the shorter side, but I played volleyball for a long time. As an adult, so like I played flag football at Aragon. Yes, I got my letter. Yes, thank you very much. But I didn't start playing sports again until I got married. And I played softball for my God, twenty years at least. And played volleyball for probably twenty-five. And I tell people, I can't spike it, but I can dig. I can get down on that floor and slide all the way across and still make a play. But when my granddaughter was born, my son is like, Why don't you go ahead and stop playing softball now? You know, because I kept getting hurt. So it was like, May maybe you might want to stop. I'm like, I don't want to, but Yeah, probably should. Cause I mean, I was in my early early to mid fifties, I guess. Okay. So I mean, I played a long time. So I'm like, that would probably be about the closest. But no, because of my job. My job is any age can do my job. So but you know, I haven't really I haven't really gotten that you're too old or but I haven't applied for any other jobs. Okay. So I haven't I haven't come across have you guys? I have it. I well, like you, I've been in the same I started my job at age twenty six. So I've done all my years in the same company. It's a small company, so I've never felt I've never been in a large office where there's that discrepancy of, you know, I'm the old guy and there's this twenty two year old or nineteen year. I've never experienced that 'cause I've never been in a big office. Yeah. See it's more for me. When I started I was one of the young ones. Now I'm, you know, one of the old ones. But I mean experienced one. Yeah, but you know, in in our business, I mean, a credit to the company that I work for. I mean, there's not a lot there was not a lot of turnover. So, you know, but now I'm like, okay, you all gonna start wanting to hire young people because we're all gonna age out pretty soon. Right, right. And that'll be a challenge, I think, but do you find the right candidate who has the same kind of integrity that you own having and Gary too. having owned the same position for so many years. Yeah. Having loyalty to the company, that kinds of thing. There's lot of attributes that you need to look for in new employees that are, as I hear, quite difficult to find and maintain. So there are going to be some challenges if you are asked to rehire somebody to and the same work work ethic. Yeah. Right. Because the generationally doesn't, you know I used to be in an office where we had additional younger people in the office and I'm working at my desk and they're like Just kinda joking around and playing with the Nerf basketball and I'm like, seriously? Or you're at work. I don't understand. Are you doing that? You're so bad. No, but that could be what I mean, that's what I see too. And now again, back to what we talked about before, we're sounding like our parents, aren't Yes. Yeah. So on the same topic of age, one of the questions I ask is ⁓ because I've never had ⁓ an issue with like, ⁓ I'm turning X age and You know, for some people it's sensitive, maybe forty or fifty or whatever age. So as you think back, was there ever an age that you were turning that either you were dreading or it just was a a a difficult time to get through? ⁓ for me personally, so the first time how old was I? Thirty six. I might have been thirty six. When my oldest was getting ready to start sixth grade. So here sixth grade is the end of elementary school. So like when we were there, it was the beginning of junior high here. Right. Where we are, it's the end of fifth grade. And I'm thinking, he still calls me mommy. You know, and I'm like, ⁓ my God. I'm too old to have a sixth grader. ⁓ my and I'm thinking, My God, I was starting junior high. You know, and it was more my son's age than me turning that age. It was just reflecting back on, ⁓ my God, when I was in sixth grade, I was going into junior high. That's when I met Donnie. I mean, come on. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then no age really hit me hard. But what hit me hard was when I turned fifty. Two weeks before I turned fifty, my son Matthew passed away. So it was just before my fiftieth birthday. Mm-hmm. So that one only because Matthew passed away, not because tied into him. It's tied into him. Yeah. Of course. So, but I mean, other than nope, you know, I kind of embraced all of my all of my ages and you know, because it's like, you know, as I saying goes, age is just a number, you know. I there are days I'm like, am I really six I'm sixty four. Really? You know? And sometimes you know I have to think about it too. I have to think I if someone asks me I to like ⁓ yeah I'm sixty three. I'll be sixty four in September, right? But Yeah, Gary keeps reminding me how old we are. Don't worry about it. So ⁓ and I will keep reminding him. Some of age, so you know. Okay, so when are your guys' one of your guys' birthdays? Mine is September tenth. Okay. I'm the first of September. Yes, and allegedly if I had birthdays anymore, they'd be in October. So So here's the thing, Gary's this first, so Gary's technically older than me, but he always reminds me that I'm right there behind him. So it's ⁓ got that right. Yeah. I understand being that you love being a grandmother, I've seen this in a couple movies where the grandparent knew please do not call me grandma. Right? They just there's something about that, but you already have a nickname. So you're I'm Gigi 'cause you're Gigi. Our dog, my daughter in law Told me and her mom, you're too young I mean, we weren't, but she goes, You're too young to be a grandma, so you gotta come up with another name. So Linda is meme and I'm Gigi. But my husband always made that up or you made that up? I made it up. Okay. I came up with that one. 'Cause, you know, my maiden name was Garrett, so I'm Grandma Garrett, Gigi. Okay. There you go. I was wondering what the Gigi stood for. Okay. So I can hear you. Can you hear me? Yes. And unfortunately I mean, fortunately we can see you. So that's fair enough. I know I'm being horrible. So I know you have to get on to Moana, correct? Yes. Okay. So Gary, anything else? Because I want to go onto the lightning round if you if you wanted to ask. Let's do the lightning round to give our guests some respect because we don't want to keep the kids waiting. No. And Moana cannot be held back. Okay. So here's couple of quick ones, then I'll go on to a lightning ramp. But let's see. What was the dumbest thing you've done this week? This week worked. Okay. I have reading glasses, I just had regular glasses. Okay. So I have like six. Okay. When you stand up, do you make a noise? I try not to. Okay. On to the lightning round. Red wine, white wine, champagne, or beer? Probably champagne. Champagne. ⁓ movies, comedy, horror, or romance? Comedy. A morning person or a night owl? Night person. Okay. Buffy the vampire slayer or walking dead? Probably Buffy. Okay. Cats or dogs. ⁓ man. Dogs. Dogs, okay. Sweet snacks. I have a dog now. My had a p my kitty cat. We had a kitty cat for seventeen years, so ⁓ but probably dogs. You can like ⁓ both. I do. Both equally. City life or small town? ⁓ small town now. Sushi or tacos? Tacos. Do the cooking or do the dishes? I do the dishes. Okay. Pineapple on pizza, yes or no? Yes. Yes, okay. Coke or Pepsi? Coke. Okay, Housewives or Survivor? Neither. Okay. Probably Survivor. Wise move. And here's a new one. If you were to ⁓ have someone carved on your personal Mount Rushmore, who would it be? Someone either inspirational, a comedian, diva, someone that you admire, who would be on your Mount Rushmore, along with yourself, your family, and everybody. You know what? Probably my grandson. Okay. Probably my grandson. Just I've learned so much from him and his short little seven years. Probably probably him because of seeing how he has to survive in this world. And, you know. I I probably probably Declan. I just learned so much from that. Okay, and if I could have to, I'd put Charlie up there too, because she's a pretty amaz I know she's my granddaughter, but she's a pretty amazing little human being. She really is. Nice. So that's a good question. That's right. I know. Imagine us doing this how many years, Gary? Now twenty five years in the podcast business. Making millions and millions of dollars, sending out massive checks to our guests. Yeah. You know. So I have to show you I don't know if you can see it. So I got a tattoo. Yeah. Uhhuh. the only one I have. Okay. And it's a four leaf clover for both my boys and my two grandbabies. ⁓ Because I lost we lost Matthew in two thousand eleven and then ⁓ we have Charlie and Declan. So they're gonna be my only two grandbabies. Okay. So I'm like I waited till I was sixty four, but I did it. I did it for my son's birthday. I said, Look what mommy did for your birthday. Happy birthday. That's very sweet. I think Gary's gonna get a trance stamp for his sixty fifth. Well, there you go. And I'm paying for it. Yeah. Okay, well I can't wait to see it then. No, don't you worry. Yes, I will alert the media. Yeah, I know. Well, cause you know, some people will be like, ⁓ you're gonna get more. I'm like, no, nope. This is the only one that I want. It's the only one with any real meaning. And so ⁓ 'cause like my kid I mean, because that's, you know, the thing now. Everybody gets tattoos, sleeves. No, the thigh tattoo is the big thing right now. The one on the thigh, that's apparently a thing for the children. It's like, hell no. My son. Okay. So when Matthew died, my son got this tattoo on his on his back, on his shoulders. Okay. My nephews all have their last name. Their reason is if they're ever found face down in a ditch, they'll be able to ID them because they have their name. Okay. I'm like, okay. But Tucker got it's the I can't pronounce it. It looks like death chair, but it's Gaelic for brother. Okay. And then so he now he's got, you know, all these tattoos and now he j his most recent he's got he's a Yankees fan, so he's got Joe DiMaggio and Marilyn Monroe. ⁓ okay on his leg. He never had anything on his legs and now he's got it from his shin to his ankle. And I'm like. God. ⁓ I can never that's a lot of money. That's a lot of ink. I couldn't. That's a lot of it is. And it's so popular with the children. And I mean children by like people younger than us in their forties below. Yeah. But it's like it'll be interesting to watch us and we're sitting there while Gary's pushing us around in our wheelchairs to watch this these people age into their fifties and sixties and see how they deal with that. I know. That you know a problem. That's why I did this one because I'm like, it's not that big. It's not gonna, you know, even if it shrinks or expands, it's not gonna be that bad. Yeah. And I'm like, ⁓ okay. I But it was kinda cool. It was it was kinda cool, but I wouldn't I very cool I wouldn't do it again. But you know, you do it because of a, you know I did it as a you know memorium to my kids. Yeah, yeah. No, it's a sweet tribute to your whole family. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Well Desiree, thank you very, very much for joining us. It was fun catching up with you. It was a lot of fun. Yes. So wonderful. Congratulations to you and your family. It's great to have your tribe all in one place. It is. Having a quality, quality life with all these people. And yes, ⁓ once again, don't cash the check. Okay, fine. It's more that's something you can frame and keep as a memento. There's a lot of zeros in it. So, you know, don't get carried away. Isn't it all zeros? Yes. But that's a technicality we forgot. She's a number. Yeah. So You guys are killing me. I love you guys. Thank you. I love you too. Thank you so much. Well, that was very fun. I was great to see her again. I mean it's great to see her. We didn't even go over how many years it's been though. It's been a minute. Well, in our pre session she said well, last time she saw she thought was our high school reunion, which she said was fifteen years ago. Okay. Which I mean, I know we're due for one. Well we it might be a bit of math No forty Nope We graduated forty six years ago. I y okay. I can't I can't even fathom that number but I know math is hard, Don. Come on. Well that means that probably you and I have to coordinate this because all these other people will not get it together. I'm telling you. Exactly. Yeah. They're gonna want me to do it. I'm not I'm not up to the task. Anyway, so it was a great ⁓ it's great talking with Desiree again. It was really wonderful. She's got a really very fulfilling life going on for herself. Yeah. Right. And it's just great that they're all in the same area so they can hang out and support each other. And as I was telling Desiree and we when we were offline, ⁓ she is going to be the closer of our summer sessions. ⁓ we have three more guests coming our way now totally for the rest of the summer season. But again falls right around the corner because Costco is selling Halloween gear. So ⁓ my God, do we have to pull out our costumes for the next episode so we can put ⁓ on? I don't know, but apparently you need to buy it now. I know we're rehashing that, but I just can't get over the fact it's already out there. So Don, we should. The next one we record, we should be in costume. Okay. For Halloween. Okay. Let's do it. All right. Well, they'll have to come up with a pithy costume. You don't make it one of those what do you call ironic costume where I have to sit there and guess? It's like, let's see, you've got a that's half the fun, Gary. Right? All right. Whereas I just slap on my Superman wig. Well or a pumpkin and I'm good to go. If the wig fits, wear it. Well, it you know, it's if my hair's short enough, it will fit. Okay, well then shave your head. Enough about that. Thank you, Desiree, for joining us. ⁓ you can find us on Apple Podcasts, you can find us on Spotify, we're on YouTube at the Fifer Pod. Please check us out on our webpage, ⁓ pod page. We'll get it right eventually. And Don't forget Riverside is now our host for our other ⁓ website, which is where you can find all other episodes. God. Wait, let's just really ruin this and let me find a closing line that I can read to us. You can you can find us everywhere. Closing line. Thanks for joining us. And remember, if you do remember this episode tomorrow, you're doing better than we are. See, it's better when I read it right off the page. Exactly. Okay. Anyway until next time. Until next time. Don't forget Halloween costumes, I guess, on the next round. Yes. Okay. All right. And our guests should do it too. Or or our ⁓ viewers and listeners. Yes. Don't listen. That'll happen. Yeah. Anyway, take care. Are you too? Bye. Bye.