Doc Rock - Why You Cannot Avoid Live Video

Doc Rock - Why You Cannot Avoid Live Video
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Jim Fuhs: [00:00:00] So I think without further ado, let's bring us some aloha and welcome Doc Rock. 

Chris Stone: Yay. Welcome to 

Jim Fuhs: Aloha. 

Chris Stone: It's about time. Doc. What took took you so long? Man, you know, 

Doc Rock (2): life, I guess. Life. We busy and yeah, man, it's crazy. One disadvantage of living out here in the middle of the water is that everyone else is like going to bed.

We're like, Hey, what's up? Good morning. You're like, morning. I'm going. I'm in my blanket. You know? So the last time zone in the world, that is us. 

Chris Stone: I know, you know, you go, you go live a lot, you go live on a ton and you know that. And, but those that are watching should also know that and, and catch his streams.

But, uh, you are also responsible, not, not only responsible, like Jim said, of, of costing me some money because you do, uh, you, you, you, I'll watch your streams and I'll be like, okay, I need that. Okay, I need that. Okay. I've gotta get that. But [00:01:00] also, they happen to be later than your normal stream, so you, uh, you do cause me a little, some, some sleepy mornings, but, um, you know, sorry.

It, it's, no, no, no, no. Listen, it, it, it's worth it because the, the streams that you have, uh, you know, across multiple channels, um, you know, if you're not following Doc Rock right now, uh, at least at the very minimum, you need to go and hit the YouTube channel, uh, that he's got. And I know, doc, you have a ton of great, uh, replays that, um, uh, you know, are there.

And of course, uh, a big part of the EAM Live, uh, community, you are the, the community manager. There just some super valuable streams to anyone that wants to. Not just level up, uh, what they're doing, but what I find doc is, um, you not only just talk about this expensive stuff, right? You know, people, people would just all of a sudden start jumping into this DSLR, you know, thing and the cameras are talking about are, you know, minimum four digits, right?

And, you know, all the lenses and all that stuff, and you can talk that [00:02:00] game. But then what I liked a lot, what I like a lot about what you do is, you know what, if you want something that's within this budget, this is really good. And because you've had experience with those things and, um, have you, do you see, uh, that that's most of the, your viewership as these people that want to do really well, but they're like, listen, I don't have $4,000 budget to be able to spend on this stuff.

Can you tell me something gets me in this budget? You know what's funny? I think 

Doc Rock (2): I get the people that know that they want to get to a particular level. But are willing to start crusty, like I'm all about, it's completely fine to start crusty. I think where it's bad, the people that never stop being crusty, even when they get good or they're starting to make some income, they found their groove and they just stay there because, well, it's working.

Yeah. I don't think I really get those people, I get the people that start wherever it might be starting with a phone, but they know that their goal and their driven intention is to [00:03:00] get to where they have a fully fleshed out, you know, custom built studio. Kind of like what we do, 

Chris Stone: man. Starting crusty. And you know, j Jim, you and I used to say start ugly.

You know, like just hit the button and start ugly. Start crusty. Yeah. I like, I like start crusty. It's a little bit more 

Jim Fuhs: Oh, that, see, now I'm thinking of like, crusty, ugly. Worse than ugly. Ugly. The crap from, uh, SpongeBob too. 

Doc Rock (2): You know, maybe, uh, start Crusty comes from, the only bad part about being an Army guy and not a Marine guy is we never got to say state frosty.

That was theirs. So I can start crusty. 'cause that'll be the closest I get to being able to say state Frosty. 

Jim Fuhs: Exactly. 

Chris Stone: What's up Deb from Agora Pulse Jumping in. We've got a lot. Hey Deb, jumping in from, uh, from uh, LinkedIn and from Facebook, Denise, another, uh, Amazon live content creator. She's on both channels.

Like, what's better than Doc Rock on one channel on [00:04:00] Facebook. Doc Rock on Facebook and Amazon is, uh, is what's better. So thanks for, uh, thanks everyone for, for joining us. And Doc, I told, I told Jim and I, and I may have mentioned to you, I had to turn off my one click ordering on Amazon, um, because I just am afraid, like if you start talking about this stuff, I'm, I'm, you're just gonna talk me into it because I think, you know, um, the camera that I've got that I love, uh, right now is the Sony ZV one.

And, you know, I knew it was time for me. There it is. I knew it was time for me to, to get a better camera. I'd been using, you know, some webcams and, uh, and put aside a budget. But when I was. Watching your streams. I was watching Diana, Gladys Streams, I was watching Kevin Colby's streams. These are all like people that I, I respect from, uh, from a content creation and video perspective.

And it just, it just came down to, oh, what are you using it for? Like, what, what, what is the camera for? [00:05:00] Is, is, is it for, so you're gonna do television production? Is it only gonna sit on your desk? Are you gonna wanna move around with it? And I just, uh, you know, I was still confused. And I don't know if it was Diana's video or, or it was, uh, a lot of the videos that you were talking, um, about this EV one, but it was like, why am I, why am I worrying about another lens in ano, you know, with, with a, uh, A-A-D-S-L-R or mirrorless camera, whatever you're gonna call it, when I could just get the Zv one and it's exactly everything that I need and it'll last for a while and I don't need to spend a thousand dollars on it.

I could spend 650 or $700 or whatever the price was at the time. And yeah, I, it was, it was one of the best purchases I ever made, so I gotta thank you for that. 

Doc Rock (2): Yeah. We did a stream with Donna, David, and myself, right. The founding partners of Let's Get Live and we talked about is the Zv one, the like sleeper camera for content creators and small business owners.

Let's just say you don't even want to be a, quote, unquote content creator, [00:06:00] which is wrong because you do, um, the Zv one as a small business owner is probably the best investment you'll ever make for, from a tidy camera, per perspective. Takes fantastic photos. Has the product feature part built in. But when you do decide to engage with your audience, pop your camera on and talk to them directly, uh, you can, if you are a Instagram person, you can shoot vertical like right out of the gate.

This is already in the proper format for you to send it to IG or TikTok or wherever. You can take a USB cable, plug it into your computer, and it's a webcam. So even if you did nothing but do your Zoom calls and not look like a dork with a crusty background and the weird zoom thing where the background into your head every couple of seconds, I don't know why people still do that.

I mean like, because the Zv one is so amazing. What happens is a [00:07:00] lot of people buy it, never read a single manual, don't know what it is, are tripped out. When they open the box, the box is about yo big, but then when you take it out, the camera is like, yo big. And you're like, what is this? Where's the rest of it?

You know? That's it. It is so much power packed into this little body, kinda like limb. Well, you know, it's really small but yet powerful. Um, I think people don't understand. And so my buddy at Best Buy said, oh, at, people always return it. And then we're like, are you sure? And they don't know. Like, it's just incredible.

Slowmo, it does fantastic. Time lapses. Uh, the color is incredible. It has amazing stabilization built in, indie filters built in like audio. Uh, the dead cat thing that you put on the top to keep it from being goofy, like it is such a powerful camera. And most people, because they're a, don't read manuals B, never really did their research.

They don't understand it, so they return it [00:08:00] and he's like, oh. Just tell everybody if they want one, come see me and check the open box section. 'cause there are always one in there. And then you get an amazing deal on a Fanta Fantastic camera. So I wanna buy one more white one just so I can have a pair.

Chris Stone: Nice. Yeah, I mean the, the thing I loved about it mostly is I didn't have to like read a book report or do a bunch of math to get it set up. I had, there was a couple of settings, I'm not sure what YouTube video I saw. It's like, here's your basic settings. Turn this on, turn this off, make sure it's on this, make sure it's on this and you're good to go.

That's what I needed. I needed something that was gonna be this great. And it didn't take, you know, it wasn't like trying to do some sort of, you know, science project to get the thing hooked up and, and done. Right. You know, everyone talks about the Boca, right? Everybody wants that. You know, the look that you see behind Doc, um, and somewhat what you see behind me is the back is like defocused, right?

It's a little bit, it's a little [00:09:00] bit blurry. We call it the, the Boca. If you've got a, a, a camera, um, that is really great and has a great lens like a Sigma or something like that with a, you know, another Sony camera or whatever, you're gonna be able to dial it in and get that, that Boca, well, on the Zv one, you can get that, and all you do is hit a little button and it's like a defocus button and you can get it, and it doesn't, you know.

I don't wanna do math, you know, I wanna be able to plug and go and then be able to pop it on a little, you know, flogging kit and just go and do what I need to do. And this one hits it. 

Doc Rock (2): Oh my god. This is a game changer. And the little bottom piece that I have for my Zv one is like 20 bucks and it just gives it a little bit of ridge.

And because my hands are massive, that extra little quarter of an inch just makes me feel like I got more purchase. 

Doc Rock: Mm-hmm. 

Doc Rock (2): You know, when I'm holding it. Um, but it also makes me feel like if I were to drop it, it will be okay. So, uh, I'm never gonna drop it. But [00:10:00] yeah, it's there. And I guess the last thing I like about it is it has a tiny little quarter 20 here on the bottom.

So that way when I do wanna shoot in vertical mode for IG Live, which is now going to be available to be done from your desktop coming soon, um, it'll be good to go. So my Zv one was ahead of its time and now things. No one's talking to you, Siri. I said, I said the a lady. Ooh, everybody wants to talk to you.

Doc Siri's, you getting frosty? 'cause I'm talking to the A people over here and she's like, cheater thought you worked at Apple. No, sorry, I'm getting susy. See, those are the 

Chris Stone: kind of tips you get when you watch a dog and those are watching, um, doc Rock for the first time. Those are the kind of little things that are actually big things that you'll get because I, I was, I was stuck a little bit on the camera and it just took a, a couple of quick little things from Doc and like, you know, there's that thing with the, the battery door [00:11:00] where if you're gonna use, uh, you know, a battery and you're gonna wanna plug it in, you're gonna, and, and it was like, no, here's two things you need to buy that cost 20 bucks and it completely absolves the problem.

And I'm like, psh. 

Doc Rock (2): But the battery door one is, is semi, um, bad word, A nine because if you plug in the USB cable, this camera, will, I run it eight days solid off of the USB plugged into the computer and it doesn't care. Yeah. Like also any cameras can power from the USB. So when everyone talks about their battery doors, I just laugh at them.

I'm like, if you are using it for streaming, cool. But the other thing is when I go for really long something like my niece is doing her cutta tape performance or whatever, I will sit this guy on the tripod and then I will plug in, you know, my anchor battery that you use when you go on vacation. I have that, um, a hundred mile an hour tape.

What do we call that? The civilian people. Uh, duct tape or gaffers tape. I have that gaffers [00:12:00] tape to my tripod and the camera's running off of that. If you try to run a long recording off the tiny battery it comes with, you won't be friendly, but all Sony cameras can run off of an external battery pack, which is why I always laugh at the M 50 people talking about their batteries don't last long enough.

Jim Fuhs: That see that that's, that's the kind of million dollar information you get here on deal casters for absolutely nothing that that doc, we 

Doc Rock (2): gotta start charging 

Jim Fuhs: then. Hold on. 

Chris Stone: Exactly. Pull up that, buy me a coffee link. Yeah. 

Jim Fuhs: I mean I had never thought of that but see that, see, 'cause Chris has been bugging me.

I about, it's time for me to get like step up my camera game. Well you guys have already made me decide, in fact, now I'm gonna have to start going to Best Buy. So, do you have any open box Sony? I'm always, uh, you 

Chris Stone: know, Jim will tell you I'm always about like, refurbish stuff or, um, you know, last year's model is another thing that I'll just, I'll jump at because you know how this goes, [00:13:00] especially with cameras and it's like, well, the, when the new hot one comes out, what happens to last year's model?

Price does this, but it's could be awesome. Mm-hmm. And so, you know, the good cameras are gonna hopefully last you many years, but they're, you know, this, there's some tons of people that they just have to have whatever the new one is. Gotta have the new iPhone. I've, I've never owned a brand new iPhone of a new model that is, that exists.

I'm always like two models back because what's the point? I'm just gonna, you know, 

Doc Rock (2): you know who gave me my first iPhone? Chris? 

Chris Stone: Who's 

Doc Rock (2): that? Steve. Steve. Oh, jobs. There's only one Steve. Huh? 

Chris Stone: Okay. Okay. 

Doc Rock (2): Yeah. I 

Chris Stone: mean, it's like I was gonna guess jobs, but Really? Yeah, he gave me my first iPhone. How did, okay, I gotta hear that story.

Doc Rock (2): All of us employees, he just decided the day before launch, he goes, you know what, the only way everyone's gonna know what this is, we're gonna give one to [00:14:00] every employee. And every employee got phones. It just, nobody, it just came out of nowhere. We were at the store and they're like, everybody come to work.

Like, you know, 20 minutes early, okay. You come in and like the whole staff is there. Day shift, night shift in between shift janitors, everybody was there and we're like, what are you doing here? It's not your shift. And next day they roll out a cart and they're like, Oprah, you get an iPhone, you get an iPhone, you get a, so everyone had a chance to, you know, set it up and do all of that.

And we were so distracted. Like when the people came to buy their phone, we were all just like, oh, look at it, look at it. So people were standing in line. 'cause you know, the line, the first day the line was dumb. Like it, Jim been here. So Alwan Center is a massive mall. And the line like TRAs the entire mall from the Apple store all the way down, like it was just insanity.

And yeah, we're all, it was like, have you seen it? Have I seen it? Bang look, it's right here. [00:15:00] So yeah, that, that was the rule until we got to like three, I think we all got our first three phones from, from Steve. And then when, when Tim took over, he didn't give us three phones. 

Jim Fuhs: Hey, so, so de de Mitchell wanted to know does the camera actually have a power zoom?

And I think I know the answer, but I'll let you guys, yes, 

Doc Rock (2): I do. Yes, it does. Um, I will say this about zooming though. I tell people this all the time. See, just zoom in like that. But I tell people this all the time. Um, if you're at the point where your Zoom doesn't reach, you're probably not supposed to be shooting it.

Nike, Nike Zoom is the best. If you can't walk there and you can't get a decent frame without touching anything on the camera, you're probably not supposed to be shooting. I know there's rare cases, whatever, but yeah, it's just, I've always told people that when it comes to photography oriented, 

Chris Stone: Nike Zoom is the best.

Um, 

Doc Rock (2): yes. 

Chris Stone: [00:16:00] Yeah. That, that's true. And you know, I used it, uh, this has just become the ZV one show, but I, I, sorry. Used it. Um, I went, um, I used it to, I got hired to do a little video work for somebody a couple weeks ago at an event and. Some of the best photos that they felt like they've ever gotten were, uh, were from me doing a video and just hitting the photo button as I was take, as I was taking video and, you know, and that to me was like, I couldn't believe how great this photo was.

And I really, it was completely random. It's not like I look and saw and, and I saw the perfect photo and said, click. That's it. I was just hitting photos as I was doing video and then saw it later. And, uh, the guy I did the work for was like, that's the money shot. I don't know how you got that. I was like, do I tell him how I really got it?

'cause 

Doc Rock (2): didn't do much. You wanna know a low key secret about the zv one and that most people don't know it's a six K camera that outputs 4K. [00:17:00] So the nerd side of that, what that means is, okay, you guys are looking at my little picture here. You can see my bookshelf here and you can see my storm trooper don't touch the storm trooper's, um, troops like right here.

So it's actually shooting wider than that. So if I was bouncing and there was some kind of stabilization, stabilization problem, uh, the camera stabilization actually will move the frame around in that six K frame instead of the 4K frame to get you a good stable picture. And then Sony has a secret scroll app known as Catalyst Browse that if you ever had something that was just way too shaky and you wanted to try to fix it, you can download callus browse.

It will pull the raw sensor data out of the camera and then give you a stable shot because it is actually a six K camera shooting in 4K. 

Chris Stone: I mean, like, I, I was, I was actually scrambling to write it down. I was like, what are you doing stone? Like this is, you can [00:18:00] record, this is a recording. I can go back and watch that and get the, uh, the catalyst, uh, app.

Doc Rock (2): Yeah. Just Chris, do yourself a favor and try to slow motion. Uh, it's mind blowing. Yeah. I'm, I'm chasing my dog around the backyard. He's like, looking at me. Stop, stop chasing me human. And I'm like, sit still. And then he's like, no, I'm, I'm a chihuahua dummy. Like, yeah. Yeah. My, uh, my old lady decided to get a Taco Terrier, which is half Chihuahua, half terrier.

And then she goes, why is he so hyper? Like, uh, yeah.

Chris Stone: What are those? Um, do you know what cameras like, I, I know you are, are you, uh, you're a sports fan, but I don't know if you're particularly an NBA fan or an NFL fan, but like the cameras that they're now using in the games and, you know, do we watched our. Our hawks here, uh, from Atlanta. They're, they're not on the ropes yet, but we're not feeling great about 'em.

But like the camera that they're using now, um, I mean, what is that like a [00:19:00] hundred K camera? Are you seeing this camera where like they'll get a shot on the court and it's ridiculously clear and there's like a Boca going on behind an individual player. Do you know what those kind of cameras are? 

Doc Rock (2): Yeah, it's a, it's a Sony, um, FX FW 65.

And then sometimes for the smaller, like, I gotta move really, really quickly. It's a Sony FX six, uh, FS six is roughly around 15 grand. The, the 60 fives or in like $80,000 raid. But that's, that's why I always thought it's funny when I watch, like, you know, YouTubers and everybody, 'cause I used to sell broadcast equipment.

My family owned an electronic story. You know, my brother June, um. I was laughing when people say, well, this does this, this, this, this. And I'm like, yeah, when you get to broadcast, broadcast, there's the one and only like no one's running around with anything but Sony cameras in, in the real space, especially your sports and all that.

So in the Super Bowl, when you see the guy with the steady cam jacket on, it has like the little metal [00:20:00] arm and the cameras on the front of it. Those are all Sony cameras, you know, and when they get hit by a linebacker and it goes flying, they just pick it up and keep shooting. And so people are like, well, why do you have such an affinity for Sony?

I was like, well, I've sold it for like 30 years. So I know them inside upside down and sideways. And you know, cat and Nikon are fan Nikon, let's be specific, are fantastic photo cameras. But I'm a video person. I do take pictures, but I am primarily a video person. And from the video space, they've never been touched with.

Like they're, they're borderline undefeated. 

Jim Fuhs: And now Doc, I don't know if you knew this, 'cause I know, like we said, Kristen, us of, you know, kind of like. Talk, if you wanna say through social, but this is the first time you guys are camera. But I dunno if you know that Chris actually spent 27 years with Sony.

Oh, there you go. Oh yeah. But Sony music, right? 

Chris Stone: You're right, right. Sony, I did know that, doc. You probably know this, but like the Sony music, uh, and Sony Electronics completely siloed, right? Oh my goodness. Of course. [00:21:00] PlayStation is another silo. Sony's silos are 

Doc Rock (2): hilarious to me. So when I was first like junior Apple guy, right?

We were getting into like the original iMac Bondi Blues, right? Just got rid of the USB Port Thes port in floppy. The, there's a company called Kix, which we now know as parallels, but they had a software that would allow PlayStation one games to play on the iMac. All you needed was the controller and they were selling PlayStation games like crazy 'cause the iMac was so popular.

Well, SEN So in the entertainment. The hardware division got mad. Software division was like giving us props. Hardware division was mad. SEN is the same division, bro, but like there's two parts of that division, right? There's the guys that license the games and do all of the marketing in IG and magazines, you know, make all of the myriad things.

And you know, then there's the guys that literally [00:22:00] make the hardware to sell. Well, hardware was pissed, so they eventually sued, connected and made 'em stop. But it used to be that for maybe like the first year and a half of bubbly imax, they could play PlayStation games off the built-in disk. 

Chris Stone: Yeah. And it, it's like, even though the word Sony is, you know, it is known like electronics people would think this, right?

Electronics and Sony music, and then Sony Pictures, right? And then Sony PlayStation, it's like, oh, they're all the, no, no, no, no, no. And it was always this thing at Sony that, you know, you wanna do like this one thing, right? Can't we have like, something that's music related that's also PlayStation related, that's also a movie?

And it's like, no, it's all about money. And, and these are different divisions that are trying to maximize their market share for their divisions. And I think the only thing that ever in the history of Sony that where it checked all those four boxes was the first Spider-Man movie. Yes. Yes. And then now it belongs to Marvel.

Doc Rock (2): Yeah, exactly. Well, they're an [00:23:00] amazing company, but they're kind of, they're kind of like a, a. Um, a freighter. You cannot turn a freighter into harbor. You need tugboats to move 'em. They're so big that they can't move very quickly by themselves, but once they get their act together, they're really hard to mess with.

Look, they dominated the music industry for so long. 

Jim Fuhs: So Doc, you know, tell us, because I know this, this conversation on cameras, I mean, we've already learned a ton and everyone knows what camera they have to get next, but tell us a little bit about some of the things that I think you've really been passionate about.

Like what made you start, let's get live and that program. And then also you, you know, you're probably, like I said, you're an e camm evangelist, you're the community manager and, and you know, Chris and I, you know, we do like EEC Camm. In fact, we're all right now, I think using Ecamm as a virtual cam even though we're using a Streamy yard.

'cause it does do a lot of great things. But, uh, tell us a little bit about. How you got to where you are now? 

Doc Rock (2): You [00:24:00] know, honestly, um, what started me on the live streaming journey and wanting to get it, sort of get it out there, I guess partially, you know, when you grow up, like in, in the East Coast, like it was always something to listen to the old people tell stories.

And I always got a kick out of that. You learn so much from that, you know? Um, being in, in two heavily cultural cities, you learned a lot about the different stories from the different cultures and things like that. So I was always enamored by orators. I was always enamored by storytellers. Right? And then going to Japan and you hear, you know, when I lived in Japan, I was going to college there and everything in Japan is about the story and things like that.

You know, when I was in Korea, I learned a lot about storytelling. Same thing in China. And I was like, you know, I. Our world would be a much better place if everybody had the opportunity to tell their story. And [00:25:00] so one day I'm sitting around and I go, what is it about people that they don't feel like they can tell their story?

And I was like, there's two things. Everybody's been lied to about something called shy, which I have no idea what the heck that means. 'cause it's a completely made up construct. And the other part was, you know, you should be seen and not heard. Right? That was something that we heard a lot as children from adults in my ilk, and I don't think parents realized that over you wanting to be comfortable of having some silence.

You're squelching your kid's ability to communicate. Then as we all become bosses or we become teammates, one of the most frustrating things about teammates is when your teammates can't communicate. Right. When I was in the military, the only thing that lets Gemini still be here is because our teams was able to [00:26:00] communicate, to let each other know that there was a danger somewhere and we shouldn't go there, right?

And if we could not communicate as a unit, we might not even be here right now. So once you start to learn communication and what it's really about and how it helps you take care of each other, it helps you take care of self learning how to come over, overcome things like being told you shy when there's no such animal.

There's no DSM five trait called shy. You're not born shy. As a matter of fact, ask any kid under the age of five to talk to you about dinosaurs. Sit down, crack a cold one. It's gonna be 30 minutes, right? So how is it that when we become adults, we're afraid to speak up? Afraid to explore. Afraid to be wrong.

Afraid to tell our stories. Afraid of all camera. Oh, I'm, I'm afraid of the camera. [00:27:00] I have never seen a single person get beat with a camera. Not one. What are you afraid of? There's no ghosts coming out. There's no roaches coming out. There's no rats coming out, no snakes, no heights, none of the above. The things that people are actually scared of that comes out of this little teeny black piece of metal in plastic.

So why are you afraid of the camera? Why are you afraid to tell your story? By you telling your story, somebody needs to hear what you have to say. Even if you think you have nothing else to say, because you're going to pick somebody else up and help them dust off from their place of darkness or misunderstanding, or not feeling like they fit in, you know, maybe you'll develop an entire, entire tribe of misfits that all fit in together.

Then now you guys become the champions of quote unquote Misfits, AKA Jim, and people in our class on Saturday, right? So I just think if you hold the story to yourself and you [00:28:00] don't share it, you're selfish. Like, I don't care. If you gave away a million dollars a year and you hide in a box somewhere like Howard Hughes, then you're just selfish.

So I think everyone has a story and everyone needs to let that story shine because as we keep doing that and communicating and stop hiding behind things, it will allow people to see a better future, allow people to see better in and of themselves. So I thought if I just put all of my laundry in the street and just show what a messed up person I am, but I'm still going to tell you my stories, it would encourage other people to tell their stories.

And so far I got like, you know, I. 700 people in my personal Facebook group that all are down to tell their stories no matter how crusty or ugly or whatever they are, because it's going to help somebody, you know? And that's why I do what I do. I mean, that literally got me started on my journey. 'cause I have this crazy wish now to want to [00:29:00] impact the lives of a billion people.

And there's no way I could do it by myself. So I have to build an army that's probably about a million deep in order to let that happen. Right? I need each of my million to hit a million so that we can hit the billion. 

Jim Fuhs: And I like, 'cause we talked about this, uh, a few months back. I mean, like you said, a lot of what you're doing too, right?

It's talking about, I I think you like to use the term, the mind junk, right? We get all this junk in our mind that keeps us from doing exactly what you're talking about. You 

Doc Rock (2): g-rated it, but Yeah.

Sorry, Jim. Sorry, 

Jim Fuhs: sorry. No, no. It's, you know, we we're, we're on Amazon. We gotta 

Doc Rock (2): the army guy and marine guy that talk like a sailor. There you go. 

Jim Fuhs: Right. I know. It's like, I know it's tough sometimes. I I I, I'm sure you lap too, doc and Chris, I don't know if you ran around this, but I remember when I was in the military sometimes when I would actually sit and listen to a conversation or think back on a conversation that was just had how many exp explicative were used [00:30:00] in each person's sentence.

That if they had taken those out of those sentences, we probably would've had the conversation done in half the time. 

Doc Rock (2): That's true. That's super true. 

Chris Stone: Doc, I, I love the, i, I love, like, you just, like, you could just tell like, somebody hit the passion button in you when, when you were asked, like, you know, why you're doing it, talk about let's get live.

And you just kind of went backwards and said, here's here's why I am doing it, and here's the goal. And I think there's a lot of people, if they're in sort of the con as a content creator, they're thinking about financial thing. They're thinking about, well, how can I make money? How can I get, um, you know, on YouTube, how can I, you know, stitch together this and make this movie?

But like, it almost feels like of, of course you want to be able to make a living what you're doing. That's, you know, kind of part of quote unquote living the dream. It almost feels like if you weren't getting paid for this, you'd still find a way to do it. [00:31:00] And like, oh yeah, like on video. You can't fake that.

Doc Rock (2): Like, okay, but see, people missed, the, people missed the recipe, Chris. The recipe to making money no matter what business you're in, is give the people what they want. Give the people what they need. Right? So even, even El Hefe is giving people the opportunity to just buy books without having to go to a bookstore that was far away.

And then that turned into, well, if I can sell them books, I can sell them soap detergent, socks, shoes, sneakers draws, uh, cars, like whatever you want. So El Hefe just made it possible for everyone to buy whatever they want, whatever they felt like it from the freaking toilet. And now him and his Lex Luther looking self is like the richest dude in the planet, 

Chris Stone: right?

So I think we're lucky he's stepping down, um, because. 

Doc Rock (2): But the [00:32:00] thing is, what people don't understand, if you give people what they want, give people what they need. So everyone says to me, okay, dude, like, I'm gonna do the YouTube thing and that's gonna be my side hustle. I want to be like you and then take my side hustle and eventually make it a full-time creative thing or whatever.

And then I, I just slapped them and I'm like, how dare you. YouTube is not my side hustle. And they go, what? But I thought you started part-time. No time has nothing to do with it. YouTube is my side helpful. I'm on YouTube helping people. My success comes from helping people, not hustling people. And then they're like confused looking stupid.

And I'm like, listen, again. If you help people, if you give something that is beneficial to other folks, the it will come back to you. It just is what it is. It's in every religion. It's in every book. It's in every book. Just about being a human and not being a. Um, a wedding vegetable? Uh, yeah. All of the above.

Like if [00:33:00] you help people, you will find it. And that, that passion thing drives me mental because people are trying to find their passion, but you can't find it from the couch. You can't find it reading books, and you can't find it. Looking at the internet, the only way to find your passion is to go out, explore, and do things.

If you're active, if you're moving, if you're doing things, if you're volunteering at some place, you go to ha uh, habitat humanity. Start helping them frame a house. You might find out you love woodworking, and then you're gonna teach your woodworking tips on TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, Amazon, whatever.

And then now you're making some side income, and then that side income just blows up and now you can quit the job that you say you hate. Right. If you go to work every Monday pissed off at Clarice that sits next to you and then next Monday you still see Clarice and you've made no movement in your life to stop having to sit next to Clarice.

You don't get to talk. Just be quiet. 'cause you're [00:34:00] right, you're irritating. I'm sorry. I hope I sparked some anger in someone. Yeah. To be like the hell with that dude. The first person that says that. That's the guy we needed to hear us today. 

Chris Stone: We got a, um, we got a question from Jason Ellis, uh, on Amazon. I have a tech issue you may be able help me with what communication platform would you recommend for a live person to do video chat while using OBS to present my screen, uh, to the conversation, zoom teams, Twitch, et cetera.

Any thoughts on that? 

Doc Rock (2): So probably Zoom. It's the one that the least friction for other people. I mean, even for us in ECA world, we do a lot of bringing the. Conversation from Zoom and to EE cam. As a matter of fact, on our class on Saturday, uh, Jim watched me do something crazy, which was take my entire class and just send it to Facebook out of pure craziness.

So there's like [00:35:00] 34 of us and I just put us all in the Facebook group just to show that it can be done. And yeah, it was weird. It was funny, but it was weird. 

Jim Fuhs: So, yeah, I would say. He also said though he gets an audio lag, uh, that he's using a virtual audio cable. Do you think maybe he needs to use Loop back 

Doc Rock (2): or something?

Okay, so I'm a, I'm a semantics person and I don't mean to be mean, but I'm a Samantha's purpose on purpose because you will have a hard time finding answers to your question when you say lag. 'cause lag doesn't exist. It was a term made up by gamers during Counterstrike because they were horrible Counterstrike players.

So there was an excuse for not being able to shoot properly. It's latency. And if you're searching for how to solve latency, there's a myriad answers, but there's no answers about how to solve lag because it's not a real word. Okay. So that being said, your latency will always exist because from me talking to this down the cable into the road [00:36:00] caster, pro into Chrome, back into the road caster, pro up the headphones and into me there is 150 millisecond difference.

Why? Cables, electronics, wires. So that's always going to exist. The closest you're going to get to make it so that does it have that issue, would be to use something like Loop Back or get a microphone or a mixer that has Loop Back built in. So if we're talking about something simple, USB, the road into USB mini, the uh, PreSonus Revelator, those all have built-in Loop back and they're like a hundred bucks.

They just work and they're super simple to set up and you don't need an audio engineering degree. Um, and you'll be good to go. If you already have something hardware oriented that doesn't have Loop back built in, then you get a software called Loop Back. Or if you're not a Mac user, it's called Sound Siphon or, uh, black Hole.[00:37:00] 

And the, the two PC versions are much harder to set up, but they do work. Um, and they will allow you to do that 'cause you're basically going to siphon the sound from the conversation in Zoom and you're going to bring that into OBS. Matter of fact, OBS has sound siphon built in, so just go do, um, your research on Sound Siphon and OBS in Zoom and then you'll be squared away.

Chris Stone: Yeah. Latency is something that, um, uh, you know, a lot of people have just tried to, to figure out, but it just doesn't, like, it's why bands can't, you know, be in four different states and actually record live. It's because that'll net that's not possible because you're not in the same room. You know it has to go into a computer and no matter how fast your internet is, no matter how great you're, if you've got the, the just the like the best computer ever, there will always be some even millisecond of delay where it's not [00:38:00] going to be like you're in the same room.

It's just 

Doc Rock (2): the best drummers in the world are not the best because they can play on beat. They're the best because they can play offbeat. A monkey can play the drums on beat. But like, uh, a Chucky Booker can slide it by a couple of milliseconds so it matches the arena. Echo, slap back from the walls so that it doesn't drive his other artists crazy.

He's the tempo keeper or she's the tempo keeper for the party. So if you listen to really good drummers, your Barkers, your Travis' of the Travis Barkers of the world, they talk about it, they're the the best because they can actually play offbeat on purpose to make everything sound proper to the audience and to their band mates.

Chris Stone: I'm glad we're getting into the audio part of the conversation. 'cause I I did want to, I did want touch on that and you know, Jim and I, um, do a fair bit of harping on this, but I, I found it really refreshing that as, as much as you talk about videos, as much as you talk [00:39:00] about cameras, as much as you talk about all this other stuff, um, in, in, like everybody that's in Let's Get Live, they all feel the same way.

It's like, if you ask anybody what's the most important part of your live stream? The answer's always audio. 

Doc Rock (2): Yeah, it's the purple mic cover. 

Chris Stone: I noticed that. Now that's a, that's a sm uh, seven B, right? 

Doc Rock (2): Yes. Yes. 

Chris Stone: Uh, but you got a purple cover. So are you getting like, like is that, uh, are you, are you getting some sort of endorsement deal with, with somebody getting some specialized, no thing that No, 

Doc Rock (2): it was, it was, Keith bought it for me.

I love it though. 'cause I have this one right here, but yeah. Um, yes. Audio in, in, in streaming or content creation in general, it is better to be hery, like seen as good, but we are audible people more than visual people. If you let people tell you to go, I'm a visual person, you couldn't see for three days.

You [00:40:00] came out, you smelled mama, you heard people talking, but you couldn't see for like three days. Right. So the first thing you heard was your mama going, oh, sorry, I'm Puerto Rican. My mom was like, what the, oh my. Sit him back. You know, I can tell he's trouble already, but you heard all of these things first, you know?

So people are just naturally human. I mean, hearing oriented in the most crowded place, right? You're at a party soon and you're hanging out, you're doing something, you're completely talking. Somebody all the way over there would be like, Chris, you like, you just, just a thing. So it's better to be heard, it's get your mic game together as sued as possible.

And then a lot of people say, well, I don't wanna buy this kind of mic because it's 200 bucks. I'm like, if you really wanna do this, wash your brother-in-law's car. Help him frame the house, help him paint something, do a [00:41:00] fence, cut grass. Do it like it'll take you three weekends to get the money to buy a proper mic.

Or you can just keep sounding funny talking through your headset doing this. Oh, yeah. Um, hello? Yeah. No, no, no. Just don't do it. Yeah. And Jim's mic that he has. Yeah, I have to, it's my backup. This is $50 microphone. So just get it. It's, it's the best thing you're going to get. I keep this around. This is my go-to backup mic is literally 50, 60 bucks and Samsung Q2 U and it sounds better than half of what people they're beating themself up trying to get done.

Chris Stone: So true. It's like, uh, yeah, the $200 mic, if you don't, if you can't afford it, like, if you know Mike technique is key, um, easy, easily soundproofing your room. You don't have to go and buy, you know, hundreds of dollars of soundproofing. Get yourself in a small dead room, in a dead space to where it's not bouncing off of glass and bright walls.

Put some padding [00:42:00] carpeting around. And, um, you don't, you don't need a $400 mic. You probably want one. I know I want one. 'cause it will, it will be better. But, but if you don't have a budget, it's just like mic text starting. Do little soundproofing. Get your mouth as close as you can to the microphone, but don't, you know, don't speak directly into it or you're gonna get all kinds of air and plosives and all kinds of stuff like that.

But I, 

Doc Rock (2): you know what I did for sound dampening? When I had, when I had my Yeti back in the day, I used to put the comforters on the desk right behind the mic because that thing will pick up anything. Like it can hear three zip codes over. It was so obnoxious. I can't stand those things. They're very noisy.

Um, but what I would do to dampen the sound was I literally was surrounded with blankets just out of frame. So I would dismantle my bed into sitting right on the table behind me, and then if that didn't work, I'd put pillows or something there because that kind of stops the sound trying to get at. It can't make it past the fluff so it dies there, you know.

So that's why you see drummers [00:43:00] that have all of their blankets inside the kick. It's, it's to stop it from messing up the rest of the drums. 

Chris Stone: I think you touched on a great point. It's like, it's, it's free, right? And so a lot of people go to it. So, you know, anchor is free and, uh, there's lots of other things that are free.

But, you know, for me, and you touched on it, right there, is there's two reasons why I, I'm, I'm skeptical about something that's free and I'm not, you know, I'm not gonna sit here and dog OBS there's a lot of people that use it and do great at it. And, um, I couldn't get it. It wasn't for me. But if it's free, they're making money somehow and they might be making money off of you.

Um, so there's that, which is, you know, that that's me. And maybe I'm a little neurotic when it comes to that. You're not, but, but the other thing is, and you, you, you said it exactly, I wanna be a customer. And if you're paying, if you're a paying customer, there's customer service. And when I have a problem with EAM, I have somebody that I can talk to.

Because I'm a paying customer of [00:44:00] eca. Yeah. Hey, he happens to be on our screen right now. No, but I, you know, and, but it, you know, same thing. Streamy Yards. Same thing with these, you know, uh, we use multiple different podcast services For what? For what I do in my business, but like, you know, captivate, buzz Sprout, um, Lipson, these are all great, uh, podcast hosts.

And I pay for those. I pay for those because when there's a problem on those services, I want good customer service, uh, that's going to answer them. And, and most of the time the free stuff, it's just, man, you're just, you're left to your own devices. Good luck. And somebody else getting, the thing about 

Doc Rock (2): anchored too, Chris, is, is not really free because Spotify is collecting all the data they need that they can then sell to someplace and, you know, or, or own your content.

What I mean, so if you do happen to blow up and you did it from Anchor and then Spotify owns you because you didn't read the terms of service. So yeah, it's technically free, but uh, yeah, your boy, Mr. Rk, or whatever the heck his name is [00:45:00] at Spotify, owns your behind. You just don't know it 'cause you didn't read it 'cause you were so excited to get a free anchor account.

Chris Stone: So let's, so let me get this straight. So we called out Daniel Eck and Bezos and like who else have we No, 

Doc Rock (2): no, I call him rk, not Eck, but I will be super hide, high hype if he buys Arsenal because they'll just be fun to just trence them every year. Glory. Glory man. United. 

Chris Stone: So, uh, so Jason is asking, um, and he's, I'm gonna, I'm gonna answer first on this, but I'll, I'll let you doc answer this 'cause, 'cause doc, you are a, you are an employee of, of EAM, but we're Jason's asking how difficult is it to learn eca m organically?

I can answer that. Um, you know, Ecamm does not pay me to say this, but I can tell you that, um, Jim and I both downloaded it, paid for, it, started it out at the fir, you know, together. And, um, I would say on a scale of one to 10, 10 being, uh, ridiculously difficult and one being super easy, 

Doc Rock (2): Wirecast [00:46:00] 

Chris Stone: yeah, I would say four.

I would say four. And, uh, you know, now I, I con, I'm a kind of a bit of a tech nerd, but I was willing to plow through some of the things that, you know, at the time were kind of quirky, that they've fixed. Um, because I could just do some really cool ish with it. I mean, I was, you know, you could stack different cameras around.

You could pull graphics in. When Jim and I do a presentation for deal casters, if we're speaking at a conference, we use Ecan. That's what we use. 'cause they plop us in the middle of a Zoom and we can take over the screen ourselves and use e camm as a virtual cam to completely blow people's minds be. And because everyone else, what do they got?

They're just jumping in a zoom with the PowerPoint, you know, uh, can I share my screen? Can you guys see this? Um, uh, well it's taken over my cam. We don't have to worry about any of that. 'cause we got, we, we can use this thing and, um, we're, we're huge [00:47:00] fans of it. But from a difficulty perspective, um, doc, you deal with a lot of people that are different levels of.

Whether or not they're tech people or not, you know, what would, how would you say from a scale of one to 10, which is Jason is asking 

Doc Rock (2): in, in all fairness, I would give you what you said. I think that's a good amount. But I think it also depends on the person too. If you're willing to spend like just 60 minutes, uh, you'll be able to do your entire show 60 minutes after you download it.

Um, why? Because every Friday I do a 60 minute demo and I show you everything you need to know in 60 minutes every Friday. But many people will get stuff downloaded, start doing things, not really know what they're doing, don't do any research, and then be like, oh, this is not working. And blame the software.

But a lot of times it's the cable, half the time, half of the stuff we find out when people in the group are [00:48:00] losing their mind. We are like, get a new cable. No, but this cable is brand new. I know. Just trust me. Get a new cable. Oh, it works. Oh wow. It's one of those things that's streaming in general no matter what platform you're on.

But yeah, if we had to compare ourselves to Wirecast, oh, we are much, we're much, much wire. I was there for 10 years, bro, and it drove me crazy. So then I went to OBS and I was like, this is a perfect knockoff of Wirecast. It's a gorgeous copy, but it has all the same problems that Wirecast had just, and it cost me 900 bucks.

It was a free Wirecast. And then, so I was like, no, I did OBS for like two years. And I'm like, I can't do this. I need someone that I can hit when I'm upset and then up out E cam and it's just great. The community alone, man, like it, nevermind everything else. The community is so dope, um, because anyone will help you at any given time with any given question and people are dying to help each other and [00:49:00] so.

It is an amazing community. Like yeah, it's, I mean, I, I say that as a community manager, but I got there from being in the community and just being the loudest. So Well, and I, they're like, well, big mouth, why don't you run this whole thing so we can keep making the software as good as you say it is. Okay.

Jim Fuhs: Right. Well, and I, and I think too, from what I've seen with OBS, even though people can do some neat things, if you're taking all this time to kind of teach yourself this OBS stuff and EAM already kind of has it there for you. And like you said, doc, if you just one watch one of doc's Friday, uh, you know, lives or even just go and look at some of the stuff that's on YouTube and everything else, you're going to learn it.

I mean, it is a great community. I mean, I did the, uh, the EAM academy with, uh, Adrian, and I learned really quickly how to do a lot of things. You know, it, you know, even even with a program like Streamy Yard, I can still bring it in. To Streamy Yard, I could bring ECA in and, and do all the neat [00:50:00] stuff I want to do, because sometimes these things have limitation.

And yeah, we've all heard great things about Wirecast, but not everybody's got $900 to spend on that software and then still have to worry about other things. So I think, uh, it's a, you know, everybody's gonna have their favorites. Um, you know, I, I do like EAMI, you know, I, I think there's, there's things, and it's probably me, doc, I'm sure you, you could, uh, take me and, uh, Chris to therapy as to why we, you know, we, we should trust it more.

But I will say the one thing that if EAM allowed us to like, like co log in, I think that's for us running a show. We don't wanna put it all on. I 

Doc Rock (2): can either confirm or deny Nick's. Update the what? Nothing. No, we've been bugging him a lot about, I actually, I don't know. I'm just joking. Yeah. But um, that is something that is definitely high on the radar and we bug the boys about it constantly.

But, you know, they're so good at wanting to [00:51:00] fix smaller problems that it takes longer to get to that, but it's also gonna require some more thinking and some more adjusting. But we definitely wanna up our remote production game 'cause that's what the community from the pro size needs. Our first initial thing over the last little bit was making it so it'll work from home people and the soloists can get everything that they need in order to perform.

Now we can start working on the more, say, uh. It cerebral parts that, you know, designed for the moneymakers and the, you know what I mean? 

Chris Stone: Yeah. 

Doc Rock (2): So, yeah. 

Chris Stone: Yeah. And you're so, you're so right about the community. And one of the, one of the functions I love, 'cause I'll do this with with Jim sometimes too, when we're kind of trying to show some each other how to do something at ECA, is that live demo mode.

And so I'll jump on sometimes and I'll see somebody going, Hey, you know, I just, you know, used Ecamm to do my kids' basketball game and I was able to pull this in and do a scoreboard and do, and they just pop open live demo mode and show you exactly what they did on [00:52:00] the screen in ECA and if you, it's super genius love.

Doc Rock (2): Oh, I don't know what made them put that in there, but that is literally one of my favorite things. I wish every software had that, so to speak. 

Doc Rock: Yes. 

Doc Rock (2): Because I get, I, you know what it is when you're the family, like, you know, software fixer person, like, it's so simple. And even, you know, funny that you mentioned that I was one of my, uh.

One of my sisters was having a problem with her calendar, so I basically took my phone and I plugged it in to my computer. I got ECA running, so my phone is up on screen and I'm actually showing her as I'm touching the things, so my overhead camera can see my finger, but my screen is also replicated right there on the side.

And then she was like, okay, thanks. I was like, thanks. You know the technological marvel I just showed you, lady. You know, 

Jim Fuhs: it's just, I mean, doc, doc, it's so true though. I, I, uh, teach, um, online classes at a couple community colleges through Zoom. I've [00:53:00] completely gone away from PowerPoint and I use e camm as a virtual cam because if I want to put up my bullet points, right, I just put a little graphic right next to my head with the key point, and then it's like, let me show you how to work this app.

And I just pull up my phone and I'm showing them in the app. I mean, it's just. It's a game changer. It a game changer as a presenter. And, and that's the one thing that, uh, I definitely love about, uh, you know, eca and there's, there's quite a few creators even here on Amazon that are using eca m and it's a, it's definitely a great, uh, 

Doc Rock (2): when 

Chris Stone: you 

Doc Rock (2): pair, oh, Chris robots use that.

Chris Stone: Huh? Pair that with when you pair the camera stream deck. Oh yes. I mean, that's, that's the, that's what took, that's what when I was, when I figured out, okay, create scene. Okay. Program a button that hits that scene that does, you know, oh man, that was it. That, that's when I, that's when I, I was sold. I was like, I hope this take my money.

Doc Rock (2): Yeah. Stream deck is this stream. Deck [00:54:00] is the truth man. 

Jim Fuhs: I bought a stream deck and, uh, but you also had that other crazy, uh, item that we could add to the carousel. Is it the, uh, loop 

Chris Stone: deck? The loop 

Jim Fuhs: deck. 

Chris Stone: Oh, Jeff C had one of those too. Do you use that for Uh, I 

Doc Rock (2): love my loop deck. 

Chris Stone: You use it for like vi video editing or anything 

Doc Rock (2): like that?

I use it for both. I have both. I have the loop deck live for live streaming, which is right here. I currently unplugged it 'cause I'm getting ready to set up my purple iMac, so it is going to belong to the purple iMac. But when I am editing video, this is my controller of choice. Wow. It's got all the buttons.

You know why I like it? This is so dumb. But maybe Jim will understand. People are like, why do you like to loop that go to stream deck? It has milspec knobs. And something about everything that we do, and it comes to comms or like, you know, even just adjusting the defibrillator in the ambulance. I had these knobs, right when I'm in the helicopter, I got those knobs right.

So for me, my [00:55:00] brain just knows what to do with these knobs. These knobs are how we dial in everything. I, I think that's literally why they call 'em milspec knobs 'cause they are military specified. But in military and all of our equipment, we got these exact knobs that control everything. So just outta habit, I just like the feel of those knobs.

So, 

Chris Stone: and this thing looks a lot smaller than I thought it would be, or your hands are actually gargantuan. No, 

Doc Rock (2): no, no. Check this out. This iPhone 12 max Loop deck live. So there's your reference point. Yeah. 

Jim Fuhs: And, and Deb Mitchell is, yes, we are geeks. We know that we, yes, Deb. That's why, you know, I always love, I'm, I'm always afraid to like watch, uh, doc at night because I don't think I'll go to sleep because I know he is gonna start talk.

I mean, and Doc, I, I think that's why I have, you know, I have two, uh, Thunderbolt four, uh, you know, things now for my, my, uh, Mac Mini. [00:56:00] I bought the Mac Mini because you told me to. And it makes a lot of sense. Uh, you know, I got the 16 gig. 'cause why get eight when you get 16? I mean, these are the kind of things that Doc gives you guess, 

Doc Rock (2): okay?

But I'm gonna defend myself real quick. I'm not saying it's bad. Nope. I would defend myself real quick. I tell everybody, see the thing that's funny. Okay, let's take that. The Mack Mini, for instance, right? Eight gig versus 16. Everyone instantly goes. Oh, but it's $200 more and everyone says that it works perfectly fine with eight.

And they go, yeah, but it's only $200 more. And they go, oh yeah. And I was like, well see what's gonna happen is I, I don't hold a computer more than two years. As soon as two years up is gone, I don't care what I'm is gone it, I just don't. Right. But most people aren't like that. So what's gonna happen is five years from now, your eight gig is gonna not be able to do anything but your 16 will still run.[00:57:00] 

So whatever mountain or ocean, we're not going back to Cats. Whatever Apple os you know, they're on Space station. Um, it will run on the 16 gig mini, but it won't run on the eight gig mini 'cause it doesn't have enough juice outta saving $200 six years prior. So. Six years, amortize that 200 bucks over that, you know what I'm saying?

Family talking like 30 bones a year. Like W why would you do that to yourself? And again, I got it. It's like, well, I don't have the money. Perfect brother-in-law, your fence looks like crap. I'll paint that sucker for $200. Like I just can't stand that excuse when you're able bodied, okay, if you are disabled one thing, but if you're a able body and you say, I can't buy this piece of equipment because X, you don't really want it.

You don't want it the way you [00:58:00] say it, and you're using that excuse as an excuse not to perform because you're not a able-bodied human being right now that cannot go out in the street and gain the extra 200 bucks in the course of like a day. But for most of us, let's say it took you a week. I'll just be, I'll make it hard for you.

Let's just say it took you a week. An hour a day for a week. You can't pull up 200 bucks. I'm gonna have to start questioning your excuse, bro. I'm sorry. Because I, no matter what your job is, I mean, your job, I'm a teacher. Okay, cool. Tutor somebody 25 bucks an hour or my, my neighborhood can't afford that.

Cool. Tutor. Somebody 10 bucks an hour, 20 hours later. You, you, you 

Chris Stone: covered the difference, right? It's a pay me now, pay me later kind of thing. Exactly. Exactly. You've made 16 gigs. I mean, even if you're not like a huge video editor or whatever, like just you've like peace of mind and you won't be like, why is this thing [00:59:00] slow?

Why am I, why is this video not rendering? Like, why, you know, all of those things. You, you don't, you'll never have that worry. Yep. Um, that's worth it. 

Doc Rock (2): I get a lot of heat for that, for what I say, because I mean it, but I guarantee you, even when people say, I don't have time, I go, let me. Track your time, right?

For 24 hours for a week. I guarantee you I can find six hours that you're just spending on nothing. You just don't know it, right? So my favorite thing to do to people that tell me that is I immediately go to, um, okay. Like say it's football season, right? And one of my friends like, man, I really am you blah, blah, but I just don't had the time.

I'm like, yeah, man. Uh, hey, how do Cowboys doing this year? Oh man, you know, da blah, blah, blah, da da da, Dak Prescott, you know, 43, 11 to the six hour. And I'm like, oh, how long is a football game? And they're like, what? How long is a football game Average? Three hours with commercials, four hours. You just told me you don't have no time, but you just spit the entire [01:00:00] statistics for Dak Prescott.

Right. I hate the Cowboys by the way. Go Raiders. Right? Or you just told me the ERA for like all of the top pitchers, right? Or you know, whatever. It can be basketball. I don't care what sports you're into, you, you know it like the guys that say that they don't have that time or the females that say that they don't have that time, that could spit out some pop culture stuff and tell it to you verbatim.

But they like, oh, that ZV one is too hard to learn. Come on player. Come on. Like, don't make me check you. Right. I'm sorry bro. I got friends right now. The ZV one's too hard to learn, but I asked them what was six minutes and eight seconds battle in ta They can explain it to you. Oh, so it came, they came from haw, right?

And then they was in the speed loader and, and I was like, yeah, well, like how many mets was that? Blah. And they spit it out. So I'm like, dude, don't tell me. The Zv one is hard to learn, bro. I'm just sorry. Like I, I would take your [01:01:00] excuse. A military, right? So what's the maximum effective range of an excuse 0.0 feet per second.

Jim Fuhs: I, I love doc so much. 'cause Right, it's that whole military thing. It's like, I wanna hear your excuses get it done right? It's like, yeah, I, I think you're so right, doc. You know, it's, I mean, 'cause trust me, you're never gonna hear that excuse from me, right? It's, it's gonna be one of those, okay, if I want to get this thing, then I gotta either, right?

I, I, I may not get it today, might get it in two months, but I'm not gonna go waste my money on the solution. That's less than optimal. And if I gotta make sacrifices, if I gotta, you know, sell, sell stuff, give blood, there's way kinds of ways to come up with it. If you really, 

Doc Rock (2): sometimes it's better to wait anyway to just to make sure that you actually need it, right?

So in the process of trying to get the one that's really what you actually need. Sometimes it's better to wait. 'cause in the process of waiting. You'll go off of what you thought you wanted. This helps you eliminate knee jerk [01:02:00] purchasing. Right, because I just bought a lot of stuff that was a waste of my time and I just told myself I never do it again.

So now just not, I don't do it like I'm going to, I'm gonna wait and get what's proper. Either buy it nice or buy it twice. Oh, 

Chris Stone: I like that. I like that one. And I like crusty. I think we're, I think crusty and not the crab. We keep it crusty on deal casters. Um, with, with Doc Rock Doc, man, this is, um, I, I appreciate you spending all this time with us.

And I, you know, I knew it would be, I knew it would be great and I knew that I would end up spending money and, uh, check, check. Um, I'll, uh, I'll be jumping in and, and, uh, picking up some of these. I didn't, I didn't make you buy anything today. Oh, oh, oh, you did, you did my, oh God. What did you call, what did you call that?

Um, you know, the, the windscreen mike that goes on top of the zv one. You called it sub, it's called the dead cat. The dead cat Is that, that is, 

Doc Rock (2): that is an industry standard terminology for Do I have one? [01:03:00] Yes. It's like the wind screen for the, this is known as a dead cat in the industry. So yeah, this is what they call it.

So the zv one actually comes when I actually have this one like duct taped on here so it doesn't come off. 'cause this is my, you know, connect this to the side of my ZV one and make it look huge. 

Chris Stone: Oh, and you talked earlier about a bad cable. Yeah. This, if you're a content creator, you gotta get, well you gotta get a cable tester.

This, this baringer right here. And they make a, they make another model of this Casey, now I'm gonna buy something because of you. 'cause I've been meaning to buy what? It's T 100 and it's 20 bucks, 19 bucks and it tests. I didn't. Um, 

Doc Rock (2): it's, yeah, you, you know why I need that? Because what I'll do now is I'll pull out my, my, uh, multimeter and I'm sitting there looking like nerd testing all the things.

This is way faster. So I'd rather spend 20 bucks on that than me sitting here tweaking out with my $200 Fluke multimeter. 

Chris Stone: Yeah, [01:04:00] it's got XLR, it's got quarter inch, it's got, it has tiny telephone for patch base studios. It's got midi, it's got quarter inch, it's got, even if you've got some old school, um, you know, phonograph or whatever you need RCA.

It's got RCA, um, and all you do is just plug one end into the other, you know, click on the lights 

Jim Fuhs: and just, dude, I, I just stuck one in the carousel. I think that's the one you're talking about, Chris. 

Chris Stone: Well, yeah, I had a sound issue and I went back and I was listening to the podcast and I was like, I think it's, I, I think it's a cable issue and I just, you know, just check your, you know, just check a cable.

Boom. There it was Bad. Mike Cable. And all my cables are guaranteed so, well, Chris, like the one 

Jim Fuhs: time you told me, right? I, I had just got a new monitor plugging in the HDMI cable. I was like, ah, I can't get this thing. You're like, check the cable. Like well, but this cable's brand new. He said, check the cable switch cables.

Boom. Worked. Right. Isn't 

Doc Rock (2): that amazing? Yeah. I'm, I'm looking at deal live over here. [01:05:00] Uh, I, you know, I was, I was gonna say it for Chris deal chasers, but I'm looking at deal cast live Chase and I got it. It's uh, it's on sale right there. Feature now CT 100. Boom. This is getting bought today temporarily 

Chris Stone: outta stock.

No, that's the thing too. Prime, just man, it cleaned, man. They 

Doc Rock (2): cleaned the warehouse. That is nuts. There are so many things that like, oh, I'm gonna get this. Oh no you're not. It is gone. And I was like, man, you gotta move quick on prime day, bro. Yeah. You know what we should do? We should plan now because Jim is the planner.

Uh, we should play it now for that November joint. Like right before, right after Friday. Oh, we're already working on it. Black Friday. We're already working on 

Jim Fuhs: it. 

Doc Rock (2): Alright. Alright. 

Jim Fuhs: I kid you not, we'll have to talk about it. I'll be ready. 

Doc Rock (2): Are you gonna do like a marathon 

Jim Fuhs: thing? Dude? You just be here all day?

Uh, we, we actually have found that, uh, we have a, we have a process. We'll definitely be here on Black [01:06:00] Friday. Um, but, uh, we've learned some things from, from Prime Day from before that uh, we, we have a, we have a bigger strategy. Oh, 

Doc Rock (2): see. 

Jim Fuhs: But we're also gonna, I think 

Doc Rock (2): we're, we're, I thought you guys were just pray and spray people.

Oh no. Oh, no, no, no, no, no. Sorry. That was another one of my horrible jokes.

Jim Fuhs: No, it's, it's, uh. It definitely, definitely been, uh, and no, but we wanna, we're gonna start doing more on you. You know, you, you keep, you know, putting that little YouTube thing in my head, and so we're working on our YouTube, but we're, we're not, like you and I talked about before, we don't feel like, oh, I've gotta, I've gotta do YouTube, and that's where I'm, I'm putting all my eggs in the YouTube basket.

That's not gonna happen. 

Doc Rock (2): Oh, no, no. Nobody should egg all the baskets anyway. But I, I will definitely say something that's funny about YouTube recently is because of the growth of TikTok and, and IG and some of the other things like this that are, you know, sort of moving around, [01:07:00] people are getting worried.

Trust me, uh, YouTube is not going to stand there and take that, you know, so they, they're course correcting now. And the latest stat says that 70% YouTube, your viewership is like 70% in comparison to linear tv. Now. Linear TV is the afterthought. That my friends is freaking mind blowing. And I'm thinking as I'm reading this article, nah man, somebody got they numbers wrong, whatever, Jim, you know what I do every day?

Go in the house, pop on the tv, a lady, she runs the lights, I'm home. She pops on the tv. Tv, she opens up the Apple TV now, launches the YouTube app, and it's like, I'm good to go. And then it'll just automatically start playing what I have in my queue. And I was like, yeah, I [01:08:00] basically, on all the remotes, I'm hitting the red button.

Like I only go to TV to watch, you know, football and football, yeah. Long and round. Mm-hmm. It's really weird, but it's a hundred percent the case now. So, yeah, man. Like if, if you thought it's too late to be a creator. You're wrong. If you thought I'm too old to be a creator, you're wrong. Um, look, it's gray. I didn't paint this no special.

That's just legit like no follicles to speak of. Yeah. So no such animal as I'm too old, no such animal as I'm not good enough or I don't know this, or I don't know that now is the time to be a creator because now like the next Oprah is coming from YouTube. It's kind of Mr. Beast right now. But I mean, even the next Mr.

Beast is coming from there. So. 

Jim Fuhs: Well, and I think you bring up a great point, doc. I mean, the three of us are all around the same age. Right. And you know, I really just got started in doing [01:09:00] the live streaming thing, you know, 2018. I mean, I was doing digital stuff and Chris, you know, same way coming from the music industry starting out in podcasting.

And I think it goes back to what you said is quit making excuses. Quit saying, oh, I'm too old. I, you know, just do it. People wanna 

Doc Rock (2): help. You know, the largest growing segment, Jim 55 plus. I was like, what? Absolutely though, the largest growing segment. And so again, anecdotally I try to align with the article says to myself, right?

Yeah. And then I'm looking at mother-in-law 76 just discovered like she wants to go back to some of the old Oki dawn recipes before they get lost. She wants to like catch up. 'cause you know she has, she's not there, she hasn't been able to go back home for like four or five years. And so she starts digging in and then now that's all she watches.

'cause I got her premium. See at first it was like, I can't, I don't like those commercials. They're dumb. And I'm like, [01:10:00] yeah, okay, I got you. So they made family plan, I put her on. Now she don't have commercials, yo, she's sitting on the edge of the couch notebook writing down all the things. And then she goes, do you know how much Japanese TV I can watch on YouTube?

I go, yeah, I know. She go, Hey, why you didn't tell me before? I was like, I told you, nah, you know, no you didn't listen right now. She's like, I can actually watch it in Japanese. I'm like, hot. She's like, eh, you know, now she's all about it. That's all she does is watch, you know? Cool. Ok. In Japanese shoulders on YouTube and it's all the cooking stuff.

So I eat well now whenever I go over, you see, check this out. I made this. Check this out. You know, so it's kind of fun. That's awesome. 

Chris Stone: Oh, so you did have the ulterior motive there. You wanted some, you wanted some better food. I 

Doc Rock (2): ain't no food, Chris. Come on. I gotta maintain my figure. 

Jim Fuhs: So before, before we, uh, sign off, I did want to ask you one more thing, doc, because you are, are doing this.

And you might have heard Chris and I talk [01:11:00] about this at the beginning. What do you think of the whole idea of getting yourself a.live to redirect people to your content? 

Doc Rock (2): 100%. The old school adage of it has to be a.com 'cause no one's going to understand that's gone. First of all, not what was the last time you type, type typed in the link.

Now we're nerds. We probably type in links more than normal, but most folks don't type in links anywhere you press links. So who cares? It could be do Ziba. If it was going to work, it's going to work, right. Again, those just the complaints I I posted on my Instagram yesterday. BCD is habit for me, right? And that's blame.

Complaining and defending. So this is why you gotta get off of that. Like even, even like I've, trust me, I got road rage. My thing now is try not to [01:12:00] complain about the idiots. They can't drive in traffic. 'cause it puts you in a negative energy that you don't know. You drag it around with you longer. You know what I'm saying?

So even, uh, Christmas joking with you about, you know, having the case in the Mondays, which is office space, one of my favorite movies ever. Like seriously, one of my favorite movies ever. Um, you got the Flare, how many pieces of Flair? Yeah. How many pieces of flare? And I was just thinking about kicking my printer yesterday.

So it's definitely my, my neighbor next door, he comes over every day with his coffee cup to talk to us in the office. And I just started calling him Loomberg and then he don't get the reference, but it's kind of funny. Anyway, it's, it's so easy for people to sit there and complain about Mondays, but like, what are you really doing to make it better?

Like. I don't think it's Monday. Uh, I'm, I'm extremely japanophile. It's Tuesday to me. So, you know, it's just a weird thing, like just stop, stop buying into all of [01:13:00] the sort of useless things that people say and thinking that you still need a.com when you can't find very many good ones right now. Don't make sense.

You need to.live. So Yeah, I have Doc Rock Live. You got deal caster, you know, dot Live. Everyone should get do live if you're live, if you're Let's get do live. Yeah. Started a whole brand new company during the pandemic when everyone said you shouldn't and used a weird dominion. Yep. Because 

Chris Stone: yeah, it was a problem.

And instead of like complaining about it and instead of saying, we can't do that, we said, we gotta find a way to do this. We gotta find some, a way to drive more traffic to where we want them for our show. And that's, that's what that, that's what that did, that's what it did for you. I'm sure you're seeing like a.

Additional SEO and how much better is it? Like the fact that the, the company is let's get live and the, and the actual thing is let's get live. I mean, it just fits right into the brand. It's perfect. 

Doc Rock (2): People's brains will adjust. Right. You know, when my [01:14:00] grandmother and them came here and they thought there's like no way I am going to ever be able to speak English.

And they all speak English perfectly fine now, you know what I'm saying? But every, everything was hard until it isn't. So, I mean, none of none of us knew how to drive a car. Not a single one of us was born driving a car. Not a single one of us was born walking, talking, wiping one's own particulars. Like all of this stuff we had to learn.

But people would be like, I can't learn that. I'm like, you learned how to talk, bro. That's one of the hardest things you'll ever do. Like, come on, half the people that say that can swim. I'm like, you learned how to do something pretty. Our bodies weren't designed for that, but you learned how to do it. So just stop saying dumb stuff to yourself.

The Jim hears me say this all the time, Chris. So I say it for the people listening in the back. If a stranger said to you the things that you say to yourself, you would wanna beat that person's ness, let that [01:15:00] marinate for a second. 

Chris Stone: That's so true. That's so true. And um, you know, those of you who have hung with us this entire time, um, and are not inspired, um, I don't think there's anything else that, uh, we got for you because this has been 12 year alba, no rocks.

Um, but, uh, Jim, uh, any, any parting words for the, uh, the car buying public on, uh, on Amazon, on all the rest of the tubes? 

Jim Fuhs: Yeah, ma, make sure you follow Doc Rock. If you don't. It's your own fault. Doc, this is great to, to finally get you on the show. I have to have you come back again sometime. Maybe we can talk you into, 'cause you're, you know, folks, if you didn't know it, doc is an Amazon influencer.

He's just spending all his time on YouTube. Sorry. 

Doc Rock (2): Sorry. 

Jim Fuhs: We'll give you some ideas, doc. You, you might, you might, 

Doc Rock (2): and I'm sending you guys a link to have you guys come on the show and influence people as to why they need to be on Amazon Live. 

Chris Stone: That 

Doc Rock (2): sounds so a few [01:16:00] things. We know what this is. I know you guys, you get so polished.

It is so amazing. Like, oh, I like it. Awesome. It's in there. We appreciate 

Chris Stone: it. Alright, uh, and uh, as always, 

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