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Hello and welcome to Palace Intrigue. I am your host,
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Mark Francis. Charles Spencer says Harry is completely fine with
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his book about Diana, but admits his two older sisters,
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Lady Sarah McCorkadale and Lady Jane Fellows, were hurt to
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discover he had written it without telling them. In a
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lengthy interview with People magazine, Spencer describes how he broke
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the news to William, Harry, Sarah and Jane at the
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same time, Until then, he says, only his wife and
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those involved in publishing knew what he was doing. I
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think they were hurt, but I hadn't told them, to
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be honest. I said, I was going to hurt you
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either way because I was either going to tell you
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and still write it how I wanted it. It wasn't
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going to be a committee effort. Spencer says he also
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wanted them to be able to distance themselves from any controversy.
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They are totally innocent parties in this. This is very
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much a brother's view. On his nephews, he was more
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forthcoming about Harry's reaction than William's I can say that
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Harry is completely fine about it. He said, I hope
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there's nothing embarrassing about him in it. I said, there isn't.
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Spencer said he reassured both brothers that the account largely
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ends with Diana's death and does not expose their private
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lives as adults. Asked whether he worried about their response
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to his portrayal of their father. However, he acknowledged that
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he did. Yeah, that was a concern. I mean, I
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don't want this to sound loaded, but there was an
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awful lot I could have put in and I didn't.
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His relationship with the king, he says, is now almost non-existent.
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I see him as an ex-brother-in-law, and I'm sure anyone
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who has had divorce in the family will understand that
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people who are closer in your life when the parties
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were married are less close. Away from that dispute, Spencer
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firmly rejects conspiracy theories about Diana's death. I've never believed
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in the conspiracy theory because if somebody was conspiring to
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kill somebody very high profile like that, I don't think
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that would be the manner that it would happen in.
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By the way, if I thought otherwise, I would say so.
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I just don't see it. The interview also returns to
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a criticism that has followed Spencer for years, that he
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refused to provide Diana with a home at Althorp. Spencer
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says Diana wanted the garden house where their sister Jane
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had previously lived with her children, but he says police
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inspected the property with him and concluded that William and
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Harry could not be adequately protected there. She could not
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have lived at the garden house. It was not a
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viable option. He also revisits his account of the Queen
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offering to restore Diana's HRH title after her death, At
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the time, he says, he rejected the offer because it
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had come too late. Now, he sometimes wonders whether accepting
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might have meant something to her sons. I do sometimes think,
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should I have just said yes, because maybe it would
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have been nice for her sons. Spencer has widened his
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criticism to the care Harry received on the day of
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Diana's funeral. In an extract published by the Daily Mail,
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he wrote, My chief memory of that train journey is
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of being concerned at the lack of obvious care for
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Harry as he decompressed from the ghastliness of the morning,
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He needed Diana's hugs, of course, and they would forever
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be denied him. But instead of calm and nurture, he
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was allowed to spin out of control. Other passages offer
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Spencer's account of disagreements over the funeral arrangements. He claims
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Prince Philip overruled Charles about where the men should stand
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behind the coffin, placing Spencer in the middle with William
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and Harry on either side. He also claims the Queen
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initially responded to news of Diana's accident by asking, what
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is she up to now? Spencer specifies that this was
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before the seriousness of the crash became clear. He says
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she later offered to restore Diana's HRH title after her
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death and offer he declined. Spencer says Diana told him
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Mohamed Al-Fayed had groped her during the early weeks of
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her relationship with his son Dodi. The Express reports that
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Spencer recounts the alleged incident in his memoir writing, Diana
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told me with revulsion how early in her romance with Dodi,
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Mohamed had come up to her dropped a hand onto
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her buttocks and squeezed them while saying in a leery,
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suggestive tone, and in Egypt the father-in-law gets first go.
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Mohamed Al-Fayed later commissioned the statue of Diana and Dodi
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displayed at Harrods under the title Innocent Victims. Spencer also
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reveals that an earlier draft of his funeral tribute included
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a thank you to Dodi for making Diana happy in
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her last few weeks. He removed those words before delivering
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the speech. More palace in just a moment. The Spencer
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controversy has reached the comedy stage with Saturday Night Live
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UK imagining King Charles confronted by an artificial intelligence assistant
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modelled on Princess Diana. The sketch opened with Charles, played
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by Larry Dean, meeting technology executives to discuss the dangers
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of AI. Their answer was to unveil a creation called
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the Deeply Intelligent Autonomous Neurokinetic Android, or Diana. Jack Shep
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then appeared as Diana, complete with her familiar blonde hairstyle
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and black revenge dress. Hello, Charles, the character said. Would
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you like help with a five-step business plan, or perhaps
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I can help you find the nearest petrol station? The
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fictional king initially failed to recognize her before announcing, Hold
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on a second, is that woman from the 90s? Then
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came the direct reference to Spencer's disputed account of their
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conversation after Diana's death. As I allegedly said, she was
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soon forgotten. The joke quickly shifted from recognition to control.
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The AI Diana announced, I shan't be taking orders anymore.
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When the alarmed executives admitted that they had lost control
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of the Diana, Charles replied, that was the problem last time.
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In the news.com.au, Daniela Elsa gets right to it, writing,
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In a matter of eight words, writing in his new
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book about his tragic sister's swan song, the Earl has
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dusted off and reignited a decades-old rumour that King Charles
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had what amounts to a gay affair. Shall I give
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you a minute to just digest that? Diana, Princess of Wales,
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famously said, There were three of us in the marriage,
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but now her brother Earl Spencer has suggested there might
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have been four. In a matter of eight words, writing
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in his new book about his tragic sister, Swan Song,
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the Earl has dusted off and reignited a decades-old rumour
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that King Charles had what amounts to a gay affair.
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Speculation is the valet in the book refers to Charles'
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long-term aide, Michael Fawcett. Elsa shares, Mr. Fawcett for decades
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was a key part of Charles' world. Mr. Fawcett held
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the specimen bottle when Charles broke his arm and had
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to provide a urine sample. He would lay out Charles'
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favorite towel for him after his baths, and he squeezed
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his boss's toothpaste onto his brush. I can manage without
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just about anyone except for Michael, Charles reported to have said. However,
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the question of whether their relationship might have been of
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a more personal nature has haunted Charles for years. During
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their marriage, the princess had begun to feel that Fawcett
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had an unnatural hold over her husband, becoming increasingly concerned
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about the intimacy of their relationship. Andrew Morton writes in
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Diana in Pursuit of Love, Diana couldn't work out what
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this relationship was between Michael Fawcett and her husband. Ken Wharf,
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Diana's former bodyguard, told Morton, She thought it was unhealthy.
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I think she firmly believed that. It also continues dusting
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off that. In 2002, George Smith, a former assistant valet,
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told the Mail on Sunday that he had witnessed a
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sexual incident involving Charles and a servant the piece did
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not name, Mr. Fawcett. Mr. Fawcett had sought an injunction
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against the story prior to its publication. Before he was named,
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he denied the allegation and described Mr. Smith as an
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unreliable alcoholic. The Guardian later went to court to reveal
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that it was Mr. Fawcett who had sought the injunction.
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Piers Morgan is challenging Charles Spencer's insistence that his criticism
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of the King has nothing to do with revenge. Speaking
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to Mark Phillips on CBS Sunday Morning, Spencer said, I
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don't hold resentments. I'm not a vengeful, resentful person. I'm
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just an eyewitness to history. Morgan's response was blunt. Writing
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on social media, he said, he says, having waited 30
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years to launch a vengeful, resentful attack on King Charles.
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Friends of the King are also questioning Spencer's motives. One
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particularly sharp response reportedly compared Spencer to an arsonist trying
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to sell you a fire hose before asking, why couldn't
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they all have just let her rest in peace? That
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would have been the decent thing to have done. Another
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unnamed aide suggested resentment of Charles and Camilla's position might
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have been driving the criticism. If I were to hazard
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a guess, I'd say it's more than that. Contrary to
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some public expectations and perhaps a few private hopes, the
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King and Queen have proved rather adept and popular in
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their new roles. Spencer, meanwhile, told the BBC, it's not
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every day you wake up to find you've been gaslit
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by the King. And there you have it. If you'd
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