Jan. 11, 2025

Visionaries and the Art of Authentic Self-Expression

Visionaries and the Art of Authentic Self-Expression

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Get ready to unlock the secrets of visionary thinking with Justin Breen, a best-selling author and innovator with a unique talent for connecting patterns across various fields. Join us as we journey through Justin's transition from journalism to entrepreneurship, revealing how neurodivergence, such as ADHD and autism, can often lead to groundbreaking ideas. Learn more about how Justin used his talents and gifts to not only help others realize their potential, but he also was able to tap into his own talents and creativity. One of the most remarkable talents Justin has is to look at patterns and piece together patterns in ways that will help people achieve their optimal potential.

Justin's unique perspectives allowed him to write a best selling novel Epic Life that was ranked top across multiple platforms including, Amazon and USA Today. Justin's talent for music has reached acclaimed top level musicians that we all know and love (well, at least most of us). Recently, Justin became the co-founder of Corvia AI where music and technology meet. Justin is also the CEO and Co-Founder of Epic F.I.T. where the main mission to help visionaries reach their potential and give back to the world in ways the world could use their talents and gifts.

Chapters

00:02 - Connecting Visionaries Through Numerology

18:25 - Discovering Spiritual Paths Through Numerology

28:08 - Journey of Self-Discovery and Growth

40:16 - Navigating the Path of Visionaries

Transcript
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Hi everyone and welcome to season two of On the Spectrum with Sonia podcast, a podcast where we talk about autism spectrum, mental health and anybody who has overcome any adversity that helps people feeling inspired and filled with hope, love, connection, especially in a world where people are made to feel more disconnected.

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Our aim here is to help people feel empowered and connected and filled with hope and love and support and help people feel like they can do anything.

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Now, today is a very special day for two reasons.

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Not only is it kicking off the first day of season two, which will be episode 29, but we have a very, very special guest with us Justin Breen.

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If you don't know him, he is somebody you are.

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The world is going to know about in the next few months.

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Okay, especially because he has big things on the horizon.

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Some I can say, some I can't, but you know what he is?

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An amazing individual.

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We connected right away.

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He is a author, a best-selling author, not only on Amazon, but he has been mentioned on Wall Street Journal's top book list, also USA Today's top book list, for his book Epic Life, where he talks about global strategy for companies in being able to balance work-life, which so many people struggle with global companies, how even that's even more like tenfold with that.

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But Justin has his way of envisioning things.

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He is a very brilliant person and once you hear what he says today, you are going to be awestruck.

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Okay, and so what Justin has also come on here to talk about with us today, most importantly, is the idea of visionaries right and how people who are neurodivergent, such as people with ADHD and autism, for example, how they are visionaries, and he has done the numerology, that life path numerology to come up with his theories and here to talk about it more.

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Let's just, without further ado, welcome Justin.

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Welcome here, justin.

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I am super excited you're here.

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Thank you, that was a wonderful intro.

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Really appreciate it.

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Oh well, thank you, Thank you.

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So, Justin, now tell us a little bit about you and what your passion is in life of humanity.

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So I spend my day talking and connecting with most interesting people on planet, whether that's one-on-one discussions like this, whether they're recorded or not, or whether it's group sessions in person or virtually and then, whether you want to call it neurodivergence or autism or ADD, adhd the way my heart and brain kind of connect to each other, I can see the patterns in things and then reveal those patterns or inform people of those patterns through books or companies, or just started a songwriting company, and so it's understanding kind of the inner meaning of life and then revealing that to people.

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yep, when did you start noticing that you were able to connect patterns together?

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Well, I was born April 10th 1977.

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April 10th 1977.

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That was on Easter Sunday.

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That's the only time my birthday has ever been on Easter, and my earliest childhood memories are of connecting things, always have done it, um, whether that was um, uh, being upstairs, uh, staring at maps uh, national geographic maps all day and just connecting the dots, or the cities, uh, in maps, or you know, uh, uh.

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I was a journalist for 20 years before starting a visionary entrepreneur world and as a kid I would, uh, I would record, I was like I would do my own radio DJ shows where I would like record how I would communicate and then and then play music on it as well.

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So that's like as a, you know, four or five year old even.

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And when I, when I would talk or do the intros, I would make connection patterns or talk about what was happening in society and then blend, you know, the theme of the song into that.

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So I've been doing that my whole life.

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It's never really it's.

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I've always been like that and you went to college then for journalism at u of I champaign urbana, yes, and did you always kind of then know that that's what you wanted to do, is be like a journalist?

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Did you always kind of know, like from a young age, that this is what you've wanted?

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Yeah, so that's a good question.

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I would describe it as an entrepreneur who happened to be a journalist or a visionary who happened to be a journalist.

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People like us are usually aliens within our own family, community and verticals.

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The only people that understand us are other aliens.

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So technically, yes, I was a journalist and really like mostly listening to people and then simplifying what I hear into a story and then again now books or songs or whatever, whatever that is.

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But as an entrepreneur who happened to be a journalist, I never understood like negative news or political stuff or crime, like I don't, I don't understand any of that stuff.

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So, uh, always like would write about and connect cool people changing the world.

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And now I write about and connect cool people changing the world.

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So nothing has changed in that, in that purpose.

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And then, as a journalist or an entrepreneur who happens to be a journalist, it's deep empathy, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep empathy and sensitivity, especially I repeat, especially for people who don't make excuses.

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So I would always surround myself unconsciously no, it's definitely conscious, but unconsciously with people that never make excuses, no matter how difficult their life has been.

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Um, and the world's top visionaries are the ones that, uh, for the most part, have had the most things to overcome, and then they've made no excuses ever.

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So, as a journalist, like you know, during your time, you know you say you, you describe yourself as an entrepreneur.

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Who's a journalist?

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Was there any particular story you came across or person you whom you've come across that was a game changer for you, that really tugged at the strings of your heart.

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I mean there's hundreds, thousands, thousands.

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Jessica Neese always comes back.

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She died in a car crash.

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This is when I was first starting, 15.

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15, she died in a car crash.

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And softball player.

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And then I interviewed her parents after that in their backyard.

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It was a nice day that day, it was sunny, and so this was probably 1999 or 2000.

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So you know, quarter century ago, and the parents didn't make any excuses.

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There were a lot of tears, but they I was I don't know if impressed is the right word, but I appreciated.

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I appreciated how fearless they were, even though they had just lost their daughter.

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It was very impressive to me that one always stands out.

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I'm really sorry to hear about that, but it seemed like, too, that out of that, that, but it seemed like too that out of that, you were able to, you know, connect with the family, connect and get some, you know, realness with them.

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That propelled you in some ways.

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Oh well, thanks for I appreciate you saying that.

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Um, uh, you know you and I are both uh, 11 life paths.

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In numerology that's very rare, it's a master number and 11s are the most spiritual mice, most psychic, most sensitive Um, um, so, unless, unless I'm being interviewed like this, I don't really talk that much, I'd rather listen.

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But what I hear?

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The two words that I hear most in one-on-one conversations now, when I say now over the last few years, the two words I hear the most are refreshing.

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This is the most refreshing conversation I've had in years, because we never.

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The word business means anxiety by Zignus becomes, you know, comes from the word by Zignus.

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So we never talk about business stuff.

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I don't really like talking about that because it means anxiety, and so I hear the word refreshing.

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The second word I hear more than anything is nourishing, nourishing conversations.

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I guess those are two good words refreshing and nourishing.

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Well, thank you, I'm glad you're finding this nourishing and refreshing and you know I'm glad and honored we're having this conversation today.

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So tell us how did you get into this numerology and the life path, like what brought you there and how does that connect with your idea of visionaries?

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Oh well, what happens is is when it's a singular purpose of connecting visionaries to serve humanity and all you do all day is talk to visionaries who are serving humanity, or people that will do whatever it takes to become those people Then you hear about these things, you hear about them and then you're like, oh, that's interesting, let's look into that.

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So you know, I guess I would describe myself as an intuitive activator.

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It's like pure intuition.

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And then I can listen to 100 things and 99 of them will be to me.

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They'll be totally useless.

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But then there'll be one thing that I'm like oh, wow, that's really interesting.

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So I don't know, in the past, uh, two months, numerology came in, came into that world.

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I'm like, oh, that's interesting.

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And or human design, that's interesting.

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Or akashic readings, that's interesting.

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Or all this spirituality.

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Because, to simplify all this, what I've learned I'm 47 in human years, but what I've learned is to simplify it is, logic only goes so far after, after that, the only logic is illogic and love.

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So, like my entire life.

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Now, logically, would be very hard for most people to understand because it doesn't.

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There's no logic behind it, doesn't?

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It doesn't make any sense.

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But the true visionaries are like oh, that's just, that's just how it is.

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Um, um.

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And then when you realize that um, that you know you don't belong, I guess, in the normal mainstream world, it's like well, what are you going to do about it?

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Are you going to complain or retreat into a cave, or are you just going to create your own world and then help the most people in that world?

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And so that's what I'm in the process of doing, that is, creating already have created own world, but then showing people or revealing people, revealing to people what the world is through books or songs or whatever, speaking um, whatever that means, and then we'll see what happens with that.

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I'm not attached to any outcome well, how would you describe a visionary?

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You use that term, visionary, and so how would that be if you had to define it for people?

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To break it down, for others to understand, how would you define it?

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great, that's a great, that's good, that's a good question.

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Yeah, um, it's a good question, um, what I, what I have seen, is, with a true visionary, they have both high iq and and high eq, um, um, so high iq that you know.

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That makes sense.

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So, and then I'll just explain.

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So the high iq without the eq, what you see, there is a lot of folks in finance or law or um, see a lot of folks in finance or law, or see a lot of narcissists there, a lot of people that can scale things, but there's no like soul or essence.

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Fine, okay, so, totally fine.

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By the way, there's no judgment, it's just how I see the world.

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And then if you have the high EQ without the high IQ, then you have, like, street fair vendor, hippie playing guitar, uh, on the street, by the way, totally fine.

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Um, small nonprofit, totally fine.

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So the true visionary has both.

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They have the EQ, they lead with the heart, they lead with the gut, intuition, but then they have the IQ to um, to capitalize on that.

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They have the IQ to mechanize that heart, because having the heart's amazing, but if you don't have the ability to mechanize it and then find the people to mechanize it, help you mechanize it, then it's not the highest value of heart.

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So I see the true visionaries both having the high IQ.

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They have the high EQ and then they have the IQ that matches it.

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And so, with people who have both a high IQ and the EQ, what do you see them most likely doing as a visionary?

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Like, how, like, how are they presenting themselves to the world?

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Like what, what have you noticed?

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Are there any common themes that you've seen with?

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You know describing this kind of prototype, if you will.

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Oh, yeah, yeah, it's an you're, you're very strategic and then you can.

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It's fine.

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I appreciate that.

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I appreciate it, and then I'm a relator, so then I'll relate to your question the way you asked it, because it helps you and it helps your audience.

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So I'll relate to the way you simplify things.

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Most of them are wealthy.

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Money is energy.

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Most are wealthy.

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Most are running companies that really help people.

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First and foremost Doesn't matter employee count, foremost, um doesn't matter employee count, or you know it doesn't.

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That doesn't matter um, but they're, they're running.

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Six, quote-unquote in human terms, successful companies, um.

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Three uh, I've only seen four types of visionaries.

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Only I've, or whatever you want to type, whatever one is.

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Add adhd.

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That's almost everyone I talk to.

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Whether it's diagnosed or undiagnosed, it's not a disorder, sign of genius mislabeled by humans, uh.

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Two, uh, autism, asperger's, whatever it's called.

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Now I don't um my wife, who a doctor, has unofficially diagnosed me with that.

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I mean, there's no doubt that I'm on the spectrum, but everyone I talk to is on the spectrum in some capacity.

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Three is dyslexia.

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Probably 30% of the people I talk to are dyslexic, and if you can't learn that way, then you learn a different way.

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And then four, again to double down on what I said before, they all have high iq and high eq.

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You have to have both um, um.

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And then they always think of other people first, always um, without exception.

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They always ask how they can help first.

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It's very interesting.

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The narcissists are the ones that only talk about themselves and they always ask how they can help first.

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It's very interesting.

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The narcissists are the ones that only talk about themselves and they never see how they can help you.

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Very sensitive to that, very, very, very, very sensitive to that, as I imagine you are as well.

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Sure, sure, no, absolutely.

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And I think you know it's interesting that you mentioned narcissists, because when you are an empath, you know you tend to attract because of that right we can.

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I can understand you.

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I can understand where you're coming from.

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So I get that idea of having things, kind of having a system to work together through things and recognizing patterns, because that's how you make sense of your world, right, right, so you using.

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So it seems to me like you used, you figured out a way, then, right, to use these patterns that you're able to put together, to mechanize with it.

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Right, you know, leading with the heart, finding a way to mechanize with it using the IQ portion, you know, alongside the emotional quotient, you know EQ.

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Yes.

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You figured that out.

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So tell us what that journey is like for you to kind of navigate through that, because you know the way I look at it is.

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You know, everybody has dropped in the maze of life, right, everybody has their own maze and what everyone's maze looks like is different.

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So it seems like you figured out your paths in the maze that you were dropped in, and I just kind of want to know what that process was like for you, how you got you know, what led you then to you know, really take in the numerology what really led you to, led you down the paths that it led you to, whether it be with music, whether it be with, you know, you wrote that book, epic Life, which is, you know, which I just you know, which is just amazing, which is, you know, bestseller on multiple platforms.

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Tell us how that was, you know, how did that?

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What was that like for you, that journey, to put everything together?

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Well, the new book.

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I'm grateful Dr Deepak Chopra is doing the intro for next book, so that book's called Epic Journey.

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So that's funny, you keep saying journey.

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But so I'll simplify it as much as possible.

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So most and this is fine, no, there's no judgment, just I see things.

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So most of the world overthinks everything and they never actually do anything.

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They just think what does this mean?

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What?

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Well, what is what?

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What wait, what does that mean?

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What is that?

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Well, and then you haven't done anything.

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So I'm the opposite of that.

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I don't overthink anything, I just um and um.

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And then when you talk to visionaries all day, most, not all, but most of the ideas, the great ideas that come into my life are from other visionaries, and then most of them have add, so they'll just ramble, and then 99 out of 100 will not be a good let's.

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I'll even double down on that 999 out of a thousand will be not good ideas, but I'll know the one, at least in my heart, that's a good one.

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And I'm an intuitive activator.

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I'm like, oh, that's a good.

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So it's just a constant um.

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Discernment, galvanizing, uh, you know, from talking to the most interesting people on the planet.

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And then discernment, uh, you know, realizing what's the most important, one or two ideas, and then galvanize, mechanize, create a book out of it, create a song company out of it, create a mastermind out of it, okay, so then here's this.

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Here, this kind of maybe answers your question too.

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So this is one of the books I'm reading currently.

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I'm reading like 20 books currently, but this one is called Love and the Soul Creating a Future for Earth.

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It's really good, okay, really good.

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Yeah, most people aren't reading a book like this, but I so, um, but, and then this book, besides man's search for meaning, uh, victor frankl, but victor frankl, which, to me, that that just can't be topped.

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I mean, I guess it could, but to me, I, just because of his bravery, but, um, so this one, besides man's search for meaning, this has the best, um, I think, definition of purpose or meaning of life that I've seen currently, and again, I'm 47 years old in human terms, but okay, so I'll read what, what it says.

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So there is a tremendous void of love and thus of soul in the world.

00:22:34.355 --> 00:22:46.295
This void does not remain empty, but is taken up primarily by scientific, technological and economic materialism, which would try to make a world full of substitutes for love and soul.

00:22:46.295 --> 00:22:53.099
So you have people are their souls, or the love, but then it's getting replaced by materialism because people aren't looking into their own heart.

00:22:53.099 --> 00:22:53.601
Okay, so.

00:22:53.601 --> 00:23:02.157
So then the key and this is literally it simplified everything that I guess you want, whatever you want to say that I'm doing or creating or helping.

00:23:02.157 --> 00:23:13.583
So okay, technology must be met at every step by an equal interest in how soul can actually function in the world, the challenge of practicing soul work in the world.

00:23:13.583 --> 00:23:19.740
Only the very essence of soul as love, worked out in concrete and specific ways, can balance these world powers.

00:23:19.800 --> 00:23:24.750
So what this music company is is it's soul work in a actual tent.

00:23:24.750 --> 00:23:26.797
Creating your own songs with artificial intelligence.

00:23:26.797 --> 00:23:29.894
That's a really good way of showcasing love and soul.

00:23:29.894 --> 00:23:32.460
A mastermind where you connect the world's top visionaries.

00:23:32.460 --> 00:23:38.140
Doing a book where deepak chopra's writing the introduction that's a good way to have a concrete.

00:23:38.140 --> 00:23:40.715
So like and talk is meaningless to me.

00:23:40.715 --> 00:23:41.460
I don't, I don't.

00:23:41.460 --> 00:23:42.345
People talk.

00:23:42.345 --> 00:23:44.192
They don't create anything tangible.

00:23:44.192 --> 00:23:45.555
That's totally meaningless to me.

00:23:45.555 --> 00:23:48.810
Do something about what you're saying or what you're feeling.

00:23:48.810 --> 00:23:55.297
So that's, that's what I've seen is the best besides man's search for meaning, best showcase of purpose that I've.

00:23:55.458 --> 00:24:10.779
That I've seen so it seems like you're getting a lot of these ideas based off of like philosophies of others and of theory of mind of other people.

00:24:10.779 --> 00:24:13.769
Heart, heart, heart, too right.

00:24:14.050 --> 00:24:14.993
No heart first.

00:24:15.295 --> 00:24:16.940
Heart first, so heart first.

00:24:17.109 --> 00:24:18.429
The visionary always leads with the heart, you know.

00:24:18.769 --> 00:24:25.920
So the visionary always leads with the heart, but it's also the heart and mind then too yeah, correct that will go together, right.

00:24:25.920 --> 00:24:28.784
So then it's just so.

00:24:28.784 --> 00:24:31.173
It seems like you're really so, it seems like you're very.

00:24:31.173 --> 00:24:37.113
You have a very um attuned sense for picking these things out, which is a very?

00:24:37.113 --> 00:24:43.743
Um niche talent that you have, because a lot of people no, no, no.

00:24:44.030 --> 00:24:45.917
11 life paths are the most intuitive.

00:24:45.917 --> 00:24:47.269
It's very rare to be an 11.

00:24:47.269 --> 00:24:54.784
That's what that's my point, cause you're like well, this doesn't make any sense, so then it's nice to have those, I guess, assessments or whatever.

00:24:54.784 --> 00:24:57.373
That like validates the wrong word.

00:24:57.373 --> 00:25:00.150
But like, and then in human design, I'm a manifester.

00:25:00.150 --> 00:25:13.096
That's very rare.

00:25:13.096 --> 00:25:15.156
That's less than 8% of the population.

00:25:15.156 --> 00:25:26.922
Most of the world is a generator or a manifesting generator or a projector, but a manifester, you can just kind of're wired and then it kind of explains it For me.

00:25:26.922 --> 00:25:35.286
It's very helpful to have that, not only for me, but then I can inform others with that information and then I never stop learning.

00:25:35.286 --> 00:26:04.570
But no, if everyone was like this, it'd be a disaster no-transcript about.

00:26:04.611 --> 00:26:07.480
Like life path number and you talk about human design.

00:26:07.480 --> 00:26:16.131
How can people figure out what their life path number is and tell us a little bit or what you know about human design so people can better understand these?

00:26:16.270 --> 00:26:38.279
oh, oh well, um, if you just um LifePath, all you do is you add up the individual numbers in your birth date and then most people are between a 1 and 9, and then there's three master numbers 11s, which is what you and I are, 22s I only know two 22s and then 33s.

00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:40.616
Those are the biggest empaths.

00:26:40.616 --> 00:26:43.775
They want to take care of everybody, but most people are one through nine.

00:26:43.775 --> 00:26:46.321
And then human design.

00:26:46.321 --> 00:26:50.876
If you just Google human design, there's a million sites where you can just plug in some.

00:26:50.876 --> 00:26:59.161
You need your name, which I'm guessing most people have your birthday, the actual time of birth and then where you were born.

00:27:00.809 --> 00:27:07.432
So, and it's what I found with both life path and human design, they're freakishly accurate.

00:27:07.432 --> 00:27:13.211
It's it's, I guess, kind of creepy, like I don't know how, like no one's ever argued any of it.

00:27:13.211 --> 00:27:19.083
Um, um, and again there's like, no, it's just, you know, it's just when you were born.

00:27:19.083 --> 00:27:32.131
So, um, uh, it's, it's fascinating to, to know these kind of things, and then I look at them as like, uh, they're kind of guides for me, um, and then I can help guide other people.

00:27:32.131 --> 00:27:33.875
Another good one is gene keys.

00:27:33.875 --> 00:27:36.280
Uh, g-e-n-e gene keys.

00:27:36.280 --> 00:27:40.856
That one's funny because, uh, that's you also like you know, name.

00:27:40.936 --> 00:28:00.920
And then, when you were born and the funniest part of that one for me is there's no one for me to follow, Like I literally have no one I go thanks a lot, but that makes sense, Uh, and then the beauty behind that is, then you can create your own path that others, uh will you know, be inspired by here the word inspire a lot.

00:28:01.000 --> 00:28:08.215
You're so inspiring yeah so that's, that's good, um, but um, um.

00:28:08.215 --> 00:28:10.599
And then a manifestor in human design.

00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:17.217
Uh, they have to inform people how they feel, not to cause problems, but to create peace.

00:28:17.217 --> 00:28:20.163
So if I love someone, I have to tell them I love them.

00:28:20.163 --> 00:28:22.696
If you're annoying me, I have to tell you you're annoying me.

00:28:22.696 --> 00:28:25.484
If you're not going fast enough, I have to like.

00:28:25.484 --> 00:28:30.356
So it's not to cause problems at all, it's just to be to create peace.

00:28:30.416 --> 00:28:40.579
In this situation, manifestors have to explain how they feel was there ever a time you had to explain how you felt?

00:28:40.579 --> 00:28:42.863
And it was a hard situation.

00:28:43.384 --> 00:28:43.784
Every day.

00:28:43.784 --> 00:28:51.782
Yeah, every day, but again, that's why most people can't handle being like this.

00:28:51.782 --> 00:29:04.363
Most 11 life paths and actually most manifestors, they retreat, they give up, they can't handle it, and I can even tell by that question, one that was uh personal for you.

00:29:04.369 --> 00:29:16.696
You're like, oh god, oh, I'm so tired of being like this and no one understands me, uh, and so like, and I appreciate that, um, and it's also for your audience, but like they're at the highest level, there are no excuses and there is no choice.

00:29:16.696 --> 00:29:22.276
That's what people also may might need to understand about a visionary, the true visionary.

00:29:22.276 --> 00:29:23.799
There is no choice.

00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:30.548
No, not, it's a higher level, it's a commandment from a higher power, no choice.

00:29:30.548 --> 00:29:36.580
And most people make excuses there's at the highest level, there's no, you just have to do it.

00:29:36.580 --> 00:29:38.263
Um, it's just.

00:29:38.851 --> 00:29:41.917
And then the other thing is the narcissist.

00:29:41.917 --> 00:29:46.031
They think it's about them, all of this stuff.

00:29:46.031 --> 00:29:52.282
You know, god, or whatever you want to call it, higher power, tao, this is all a gift.

00:29:52.282 --> 00:29:53.605
That's what the book's about.

00:29:53.605 --> 00:29:55.032
People are the Epic Journey book.

00:29:55.032 --> 00:29:55.413
People are.

00:29:55.413 --> 00:30:02.277
They're given these gifts from higher power, whatever you want to call it, and then most people will never find out what they are.

00:30:02.277 --> 00:30:12.074
They don't use them, and so I'm like, I know what, I've been instructed to do, so now I'm going to do it, and there's just no choice, you have to do it.

00:30:12.074 --> 00:30:14.997
So, and most people can't understand that, which is okay.

00:30:16.760 --> 00:30:17.102
Right.

00:30:17.102 --> 00:30:28.156
And I think you know what sets you know people apart is those that are not afraid of failure versus I don't even believe in that word.

00:30:28.156 --> 00:30:32.694
Yeah, I'm not afraid of it either, to be honest, because I feel like I've faced it before.

00:30:32.694 --> 00:30:42.901
You know, and I know you know that, honestly, all it was was another way, a redirection right, and I'm not afraid if something doesn't work out.

00:30:42.901 --> 00:30:46.037
I'm not afraid of it because I know what that feels like.

00:30:46.459 --> 00:31:01.143
So I'm not afraid Most people you know that you're saying that you know most people when they don't find their gifts, or if they're given gifts and they're not really finding out what they are or they're not really maximizing on their talent or potential.

00:31:05.213 --> 00:31:06.598
I think a lot of this is because of that fear.

00:31:06.598 --> 00:31:10.511
No, that's all what it is, and it's fine.

00:31:10.511 --> 00:31:12.114
I'm looking for this good quote.

00:31:12.114 --> 00:31:13.394
Where are you?

00:31:13.394 --> 00:31:14.977
I'll find it.

00:31:14.977 --> 00:31:21.143
I've been reading a lot of Carl Jung and Robert Johnson.

00:31:21.143 --> 00:31:23.506
Robert Johnson did a lot of shadow work.

00:31:23.506 --> 00:31:26.457
Yes, oh, you know Robert.

00:31:26.457 --> 00:31:29.333
Yes, see, most people don't know Robert Johnson.

00:31:29.353 --> 00:31:38.823
So my favorite quote of Robert Johnson, paraphrasing it, is for a select few, there's a determination to seek liberation from social hypnosis.

00:31:38.823 --> 00:31:41.381
For a select few, there is a determination to seek liberation from social hypnosis.

00:31:41.381 --> 00:31:44.353
There, for a select few, there is a determination to seek liberation from social hypnosis.

00:31:44.353 --> 00:31:48.702
So that's, you know, uh, the world's conditioned by all these things.

00:31:48.702 --> 00:31:53.318
Uh, you know, uh, in the matrix or whatever that is.

00:31:53.318 --> 00:31:55.763
And then, like, the word business means anxiety.

00:31:55.763 --> 00:31:58.336
So when people are talking about business, they're just talking about anxiety.

00:31:58.336 --> 00:31:59.319
That's why it's so.

00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:01.980
But the word sale means dull and dirty.

00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:04.790
Uh, average means damage to a ship.

00:32:04.790 --> 00:32:14.571
Uh, mask, uh, most people are living in material world, which is a mask, m-a-s-q-u-e, which means fool.

00:32:14.571 --> 00:32:15.615
So that's just what it is.

00:32:15.615 --> 00:32:22.955
Oh, yeah, so, um, in carl young's um, uh, his memoir, which is called memories, dreams and reflections.

00:32:22.955 --> 00:32:23.659
This is a good book.

00:32:24.029 --> 00:32:24.792
You talked about fear.

00:32:24.792 --> 00:32:34.103
So wherever there is a reaching down into innermost experience, into the nucleus of personality, most people are overcome by fright and many run away.

00:32:34.103 --> 00:32:45.092
So the biggest fear is looking into yourself, embracing those shadow behaviors into yourself.

00:32:45.092 --> 00:32:47.258
Um, embracing those shadow behaviors, uh, really understanding yourself.

00:32:47.258 --> 00:32:59.015
And looking inward to to heal yourself, practice, uh, self-love, compassion, uh, when in the past 12 months I'd say that's the thing I've learned the most, um, which is which is good?

00:32:59.015 --> 00:33:04.462
Uh, and then creating things that help people learn that as well.

00:33:04.462 --> 00:33:09.779
So that's the biggest and it's very painful to really look into yourself.

00:33:09.779 --> 00:33:14.260
Very difficult because the ego is very manipulative, very tricky.

00:33:14.260 --> 00:33:22.678
It's very difficult to surrender to outcomes because the ego is like trying to protect you, which I get it very logical.

00:33:22.678 --> 00:33:30.501
You know we survive, you know people survive, but surrendering fully to that higher power, that's like the last.

00:33:30.501 --> 00:33:32.917
I'm almost there, very close to that.

00:33:32.917 --> 00:33:41.875
I think I'm there, pretty close to it, and so that's exciting, but it's like it's constant.

00:33:42.009 --> 00:34:12.056
It's constant learning and constant working on yourself, because you can always improve absolutely, and in your journey, um, that you've been doing over the past 12 months or so, you know, when you've been looking inward to heal you, to when you've been looking inward to practice self love and self-compassion and looking for ways to improve what are some of the biggest lessons you've learned in doing these reflections and doing the work on yourself?

00:34:13.965 --> 00:34:16.391
Oh, so many.

00:34:16.391 --> 00:34:25.789
The number one thing is you cannot control any outcome.

00:34:25.789 --> 00:34:27.434
Surrendering control the outcomes.

00:34:27.434 --> 00:34:40.186
Really difficult, really really difficult, really really difficult.

00:34:40.186 --> 00:34:42.871
But what I found is being in just a flow and being open to any opportunity that just kind of floats along.

00:34:42.871 --> 00:34:46.978
It's this really fascinating experience.

00:34:46.978 --> 00:34:55.458
Like I mean, I uh, to timestamp this, it's january 7th, so I just started writing songs on AI.

00:34:55.458 --> 00:34:58.432
The first one I did was November 23rd.

00:34:58.432 --> 00:35:05.894
And then so to create a company out of that already, like that, you know, I never would have thought that.

00:35:05.894 --> 00:35:14.344
And then there's all this other stuff within the music industry that's happening.

00:35:14.965 --> 00:35:26.905
Um, I mean, 12 months ago, I, I, you know, about 12 months ago, I went to New York to ring the NASDAQ bell at a closing ceremony.

00:35:26.905 --> 00:35:28.972
I'm like, well, that sounds like a good idea.

00:35:28.972 --> 00:35:43.309
And then ran into, uh, dr Deepak Chopra there for literally two seconds, took a photo with him, and then, and uh, when I was working on this third book, I'd be like, oh, it'd be nice if he did the introduction for it.

00:35:43.309 --> 00:35:45.396
And then now he's doing the introduction for us.

00:35:45.396 --> 00:35:58.452
So, like, learning all these things and and uh, taking, uh, taking care of yourself first, compassion for yourself and self-love then, then all these things kind of happen.

00:35:58.873 --> 00:36:14.597
Um, but I can't stress enough, it's, it's very difficult, um, it's, it's very difficult being like this and it's um, and, and people think, like, being a visionary is this easy, this joy?

00:36:14.597 --> 00:36:16.391
Right, it's, it's the opposite of that.

00:36:16.391 --> 00:36:18.907
It's the opposite of that.

00:36:18.907 --> 00:36:25.612
But the true visionary will do whatever it takes to not only help themselves, but help help the world in the process.

00:36:25.612 --> 00:36:36.039
Um, no matter what, and um, it's a, it's a, it's a gift to be given those type of abilities, and I don't take them for granted.

00:36:40.005 --> 00:36:43.916
And Justin, you're doing such an amazing job with everything that you are doing.

00:36:43.916 --> 00:36:53.275
Thanks, really used your knowledge and used your.

00:36:53.275 --> 00:37:07.726
You know this amazing niche of talent, that you have this gift, that you have to make impact on the world and you have some big things coming up right.

00:37:07.726 --> 00:37:09.248
So you have another book coming out.

00:37:09.248 --> 00:37:17.306
You know Dr Deepak Chopra is writing your introduction, which is huge you have.

00:37:17.306 --> 00:37:20.675
You know, you just started your own company for music.

00:37:20.675 --> 00:37:23.835
Can you tell us about the company you just started, the one you're able to talk about?

00:37:25.465 --> 00:37:29.054
It's called Corviaai, c-o-r-v-i-aai.

00:37:29.054 --> 00:37:49.907
So core means heart, courage, via means path.

00:37:49.907 --> 00:37:50.789
And then my partner, eric, within the company.

00:37:50.789 --> 00:37:51.231
He's a tech genius.

00:37:51.231 --> 00:37:51.713
He's had multiple exits.

00:37:51.713 --> 00:37:52.878
He's really good at, like, building things, um.

00:37:52.878 --> 00:37:55.045
And then he and I uh, he and I were both born on April 10th.

00:37:55.045 --> 00:38:02.329
He's a little bit younger than me but we both have the same birthday and, uh, you know, we're great friends.

00:38:02.811 --> 00:38:13.378
And then, I don't know, for the past six months or so, we were just talking about, uh, all the commonalities we had in our, in our lives and how we just essentially understood each other.

00:38:13.378 --> 00:38:28.458
And then I started writing these songs Again November 23rd this hasn't been that long and then a couple of weeks ago, he and I were just talking, so we talked one or two times a week.

00:38:28.458 --> 00:38:33.989
It was like, oh, these songs are the best way to practice self-care because you can make these songs.

00:38:33.989 --> 00:38:43.146
I'm going to be teaching people how to make songs through ai, where you write your own lyrics or use ai to help you with that, and then you, you know, you make music out of it very quickly.

00:38:43.186 --> 00:39:07.315
But these songs that he and I both discovered, it's like it's the like the fastest track into self-care, very quickly and then tapping into your own heart and soul, and so this company will be able to scale that on a global level very quickly, create a massive community and Eric's good at that kind of thing and then I have a giant network through all the other stuff I'm doing.

00:39:07.315 --> 00:39:18.445
Um, it's very exciting.

00:39:18.445 --> 00:39:26.476
Uh, you know starting that because, um, because it'll help a lot of people, um, and then I'll be speaking about that around the the world and then, you know, tying the book into it and all those, all those things as well.

00:39:26.615 --> 00:39:37.889
So it'll and it'll never stop, it'll just evolve however it's supposed to so, as we're going to be wrapping up here, what would you say is the hardest part?

00:39:37.889 --> 00:39:41.706
Now, you'd mentioned something about it's not easy to be a visionary.

00:39:41.706 --> 00:39:47.739
What would you say is one of the hardest parts of being a visionary, and what can you say?

00:39:47.739 --> 00:39:51.032
What advice and inspiration can you give to others?

00:39:57.144 --> 00:39:59.670
Well, if you're not a litmus test for people you serve, that's hypocrisy.

00:39:59.670 --> 00:40:03.639
So the people I serve are visionaries, visionaries serving humanity.

00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:08.233
So I'm a visionary serving humanity, so I'll answer it in that context.

00:40:08.233 --> 00:40:16.605
Context.

00:40:16.605 --> 00:40:22.657
Uh, the hardest thing for me and I'm well, I, I mean, I know this, but I'll just say I'm guessing for most visionaries is being patient and waiting for other people, the rest of the world, to catch up.

00:40:24.849 --> 00:40:27.655
So, a visionary again, all I do is talk to visionaries.

00:40:27.655 --> 00:40:44.527
They know they're intuitive, they leave with their heart, they they see what's happening, they see what's going to happen and then you know it could take months, it could take years, it might not be in this lifetime.

00:40:44.527 --> 00:40:57.827
It's waiting for others to catch up to them, and the word patience literally means suffering.

00:40:57.827 --> 00:40:58.690
That's what patience actually means.

00:40:58.690 --> 00:41:04.728
So the greatest leaders, the greatest visionaries, will endure the most suffering, have the most patience.

00:41:04.728 --> 00:41:14.947
But for me personally, as an activator and someone who just likes to get stuff done I'm a high, quick start, like it just let's go, go, go, go.

00:41:15.027 --> 00:41:39.753
It's very difficult for me Um, um, and then, as a manifester, I have to tell people how I feel and then it's waiting for them to like, understand that, um, or they might never understand that um, um, that everything I'm saying or communicating is not said in any way to be mean or disrespectful.

00:41:39.753 --> 00:41:43.099
It's said because it's just purely from the heart.

00:41:43.099 --> 00:41:53.010
Um, and that's very, it's very difficult, um, and that's why most, most visionaries are 11 life paths or manifestors.

00:41:53.010 --> 00:41:53.934
They can't handle it.

00:41:53.934 --> 00:42:14.532
They just stop talking to people in general because they're like they're going to get misunderstood or rejected or and I'll just keep going like I just you just keep going, because the true visionary not only sees the most value and potential in themselves, but they see it in others too.

00:42:14.532 --> 00:42:20.134
I see the true potential in people, whether or not they see it in themselves yet.

00:42:20.134 --> 00:42:27.596
So if I see that, I will tell them and just be like you're capable of so much more.

00:42:27.596 --> 00:42:29.429
Does that answer your question?

00:42:31.445 --> 00:42:35.507
Oh, absolutely Absolutely, and it makes a lot of sense.

00:42:35.507 --> 00:42:36.847
You know how you feel.

00:42:36.847 --> 00:42:40.369
You know, and it's definitely.

00:42:40.369 --> 00:42:41.909
I can relate to how it's.

00:42:41.909 --> 00:43:06.001
You know how it's difficult waiting for the world to catch up, but at the same time, I feel like it also could be a blessing, in a way, if the world is not caught up yet, because you are setting an example and creating your own way, right, like you know, because sometimes and this is kind of you know I like to look at life as a maze.

00:43:06.001 --> 00:43:29.978
My book is called Dropped in a Maze, right, maze right, and the way I look at it is we're all given a maze of life, right, but what the maze looks like for everybody is different, right, and by you, you know, showing people what your maze looks like and what your path looked like, right, and how many trenches you probably had to hit.

00:43:30.105 --> 00:43:39.978
a lot of trenches, a lot of trenches, a lot of trenches, A lot of trenches, a lot of rocky road, a lot of slippery road, a lot of you know ones where you could break your ankle easily, right, If you took the wrong step.

00:43:40.679 --> 00:43:40.860
Yeah.

00:43:41.306 --> 00:43:59.315
It's one of those things that I feel, by showing people what you walk through Right To get to the other side of that maze and continuing to navigate the other side of that maze too, Because once one maze ends, another maze starts too.

00:43:59.344 --> 00:44:02.793
Oh, well, so for 11 life paths.

00:44:02.793 --> 00:44:05.690
There's never an ending, there's no final answer.

00:44:06.193 --> 00:44:08.452
Right, but you know, just continuing.

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But by you showing people what you're going through and walking through oh, I'm doing that that's inspiring to other people as well, right, and it educates a world that you know.

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And a lot of times you hear neurotyp?

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Um people talk about like neurotypicals.

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Right, neurotypicals are for people who don't know.

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It means somebody who doesn't have intellectual or cognitive impairment.

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Okay, for neurodivergence, right, people with autism, adhd, dyslexia, right, even bipolar disorder is under neurodivergence.

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So when you look at people, a lot of times you hear especially those you know from that.

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I've heard from people on the autism spectrum, at least that I've heard of and read that about in their writings.

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They've said you know, living in a world not meant for us, right, I think in a way, by you doing what you're doing, you're showing other people that, hey, a new world is possible, of course, while you're waiting for that world to catch up, right.

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So it's a blessing and a curse at the same time it's creating world, own world, in real time and then showing people what's happening and right that, that and it's okay.

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But again, most people won't do that.

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But talk is meaningless to me.

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One of my great friends, alfonso James, so he served he's in the book, in the Epic Journey book.

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So he served 30, 34 years in prison for a crime he didn't commit.

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He wasn't even at the scene of the crime.

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He went 34, and so he that, uh, he was grateful for it.

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Uh.

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So his quote that he says every day since 1985, every day, is he that is perfect is perfecting perfection in me.

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He is that he that is perfect is perfecting perfection in me.

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And then in human design, he's a six two like me.

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So a six two is the exemplary.

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Humanemplary means either highest form of good or total disaster.

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There's no gray like there's no 100% black and white.

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So he and I were talking about what it means to be an exemplary human, either highest form of good or total disaster, and he said it's a blessing and a burden.

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Blessing and a burden, yep.

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Figure it out.

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So, justin, if people wanted to get in contact with you.

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How can they find you?

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Oh, thanks, uh, the main, the main company is the epic fit dot com.

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That's our global mastermind.

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And then Corvia dot AI.

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Corvia dot AI, that's the music initiative company.

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I want to thank you for sharing your insight with us.

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For all who don't know, we are both going to be at Creative Con, which is from February 21st to the 23rd at the Intercontinental Hotel in Chicago.

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Both Justin and I will be speaking at Creative Con con and we are looking forward to hopefully seeing you know, especially if you're in the chicago area, many of you um and um.

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Finally, we're going to be looking forward to meeting in real life irl, like they say you, justin, at creative con.

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So see you on the 21st.

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The book launch which dropped in the maze will be.

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That's the book that will be coming out my book and looking forward to seeing you there, justin.

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And yeah, I'm going to have everything about Justin's info in the show notes, so you know just.

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