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Hi everyone and welcome to season two of On the Spectrum with Sonia podcast, a podcast where we talk about autism spectrum, mental health and anybody who has overcome any adversity that helps people feeling inspired and filled with hope, love, connection, especially in a world where people are made to feel more disconnected.
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Our aim here is to help people feel empowered and connected and filled with hope and love and support and help people feel like they can do anything.
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Now, today is a very special day for two reasons.
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Not only is it kicking off the first day of season two, which will be episode 29, but we have a very, very special guest with us Justin Breen.
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If you don't know him, he is somebody you are.
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The world is going to know about in the next few months.
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Okay, especially because he has big things on the horizon.
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Some I can say, some I can't, but you know what he is?
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An amazing individual.
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We connected right away.
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He is a author, a best-selling author, not only on Amazon, but he has been mentioned on Wall Street Journal's top book list, also USA Today's top book list, for his book Epic Life, where he talks about global strategy for companies in being able to balance work-life, which so many people struggle with global companies, how even that's even more like tenfold with that.
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But Justin has his way of envisioning things.
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He is a very brilliant person and once you hear what he says today, you are going to be awestruck.
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Okay, and so what Justin has also come on here to talk about with us today, most importantly, is the idea of visionaries right and how people who are neurodivergent, such as people with ADHD and autism, for example, how they are visionaries, and he has done the numerology, that life path numerology to come up with his theories and here to talk about it more.
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Let's just, without further ado, welcome Justin.
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Welcome here, justin.
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I am super excited you're here.
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Thank you, that was a wonderful intro.
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Really appreciate it.
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Oh well, thank you, Thank you.
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So, Justin, now tell us a little bit about you and what your passion is in life of humanity.
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So I spend my day talking and connecting with most interesting people on planet, whether that's one-on-one discussions like this, whether they're recorded or not, or whether it's group sessions in person or virtually and then, whether you want to call it neurodivergence or autism or ADD, adhd the way my heart and brain kind of connect to each other, I can see the patterns in things and then reveal those patterns or inform people of those patterns through books or companies, or just started a songwriting company, and so it's understanding kind of the inner meaning of life and then revealing that to people.
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yep, when did you start noticing that you were able to connect patterns together?
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Well, I was born April 10th 1977.
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April 10th 1977.
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That was on Easter Sunday.
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That's the only time my birthday has ever been on Easter, and my earliest childhood memories are of connecting things, always have done it, um, whether that was um, uh, being upstairs, uh, staring at maps uh, national geographic maps all day and just connecting the dots, or the cities, uh, in maps, or you know, uh, uh.
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I was a journalist for 20 years before starting a visionary entrepreneur world and as a kid I would, uh, I would record, I was like I would do my own radio DJ shows where I would like record how I would communicate and then and then play music on it as well.
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So that's like as a, you know, four or five year old even.
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And when I, when I would talk or do the intros, I would make connection patterns or talk about what was happening in society and then blend, you know, the theme of the song into that.
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So I've been doing that my whole life.
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It's never really it's.
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I've always been like that and you went to college then for journalism at u of I champaign urbana, yes, and did you always kind of then know that that's what you wanted to do, is be like a journalist?
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Did you always kind of know, like from a young age, that this is what you've wanted?
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Yeah, so that's a good question.
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I would describe it as an entrepreneur who happened to be a journalist or a visionary who happened to be a journalist.
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People like us are usually aliens within our own family, community and verticals.
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The only people that understand us are other aliens.
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So technically, yes, I was a journalist and really like mostly listening to people and then simplifying what I hear into a story and then again now books or songs or whatever, whatever that is.
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But as an entrepreneur who happened to be a journalist, I never understood like negative news or political stuff or crime, like I don't, I don't understand any of that stuff.
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So, uh, always like would write about and connect cool people changing the world.
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And now I write about and connect cool people changing the world.
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So nothing has changed in that, in that purpose.
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And then, as a journalist or an entrepreneur who happens to be a journalist, it's deep empathy, deep, deep, deep, deep, deep empathy and sensitivity, especially I repeat, especially for people who don't make excuses.
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So I would always surround myself unconsciously no, it's definitely conscious, but unconsciously with people that never make excuses, no matter how difficult their life has been.
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Um, and the world's top visionaries are the ones that, uh, for the most part, have had the most things to overcome, and then they've made no excuses ever.
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So, as a journalist, like you know, during your time, you know you say you, you describe yourself as an entrepreneur.
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Who's a journalist?
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Was there any particular story you came across or person you whom you've come across that was a game changer for you, that really tugged at the strings of your heart.
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I mean there's hundreds, thousands, thousands.
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Jessica Neese always comes back.
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She died in a car crash.
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This is when I was first starting, 15.
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15, she died in a car crash.
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And softball player.
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And then I interviewed her parents after that in their backyard.
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It was a nice day that day, it was sunny, and so this was probably 1999 or 2000.
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So you know, quarter century ago, and the parents didn't make any excuses.
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There were a lot of tears, but they I was I don't know if impressed is the right word, but I appreciated.
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I appreciated how fearless they were, even though they had just lost their daughter.
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It was very impressive to me that one always stands out.
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I'm really sorry to hear about that, but it seemed like, too, that out of that, that, but it seemed like too that out of that, you were able to, you know, connect with the family, connect and get some, you know, realness with them.
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That propelled you in some ways.
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Oh well, thanks for I appreciate you saying that.
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Um, uh, you know you and I are both uh, 11 life paths.
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In numerology that's very rare, it's a master number and 11s are the most spiritual mice, most psychic, most sensitive Um, um, so, unless, unless I'm being interviewed like this, I don't really talk that much, I'd rather listen.
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But what I hear?
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The two words that I hear most in one-on-one conversations now, when I say now over the last few years, the two words I hear the most are refreshing.
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This is the most refreshing conversation I've had in years, because we never.
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The word business means anxiety by Zignus becomes, you know, comes from the word by Zignus.
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So we never talk about business stuff.
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I don't really like talking about that because it means anxiety, and so I hear the word refreshing.
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The second word I hear more than anything is nourishing, nourishing conversations.
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I guess those are two good words refreshing and nourishing.
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Well, thank you, I'm glad you're finding this nourishing and refreshing and you know I'm glad and honored we're having this conversation today.
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So tell us how did you get into this numerology and the life path, like what brought you there and how does that connect with your idea of visionaries?
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Oh well, what happens is is when it's a singular purpose of connecting visionaries to serve humanity and all you do all day is talk to visionaries who are serving humanity, or people that will do whatever it takes to become those people Then you hear about these things, you hear about them and then you're like, oh, that's interesting, let's look into that.
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So you know, I guess I would describe myself as an intuitive activator.
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It's like pure intuition.
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And then I can listen to 100 things and 99 of them will be to me.
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They'll be totally useless.
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But then there'll be one thing that I'm like oh, wow, that's really interesting.
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So I don't know, in the past, uh, two months, numerology came in, came into that world.
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I'm like, oh, that's interesting.
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And or human design, that's interesting.
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Or akashic readings, that's interesting.
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Or all this spirituality.
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Because, to simplify all this, what I've learned I'm 47 in human years, but what I've learned is to simplify it is, logic only goes so far after, after that, the only logic is illogic and love.
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So, like my entire life.
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Now, logically, would be very hard for most people to understand because it doesn't.
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There's no logic behind it, doesn't?
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It doesn't make any sense.
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But the true visionaries are like oh, that's just, that's just how it is.
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Um, um.
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And then when you realize that um, that you know you don't belong, I guess, in the normal mainstream world, it's like well, what are you going to do about it?
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Are you going to complain or retreat into a cave, or are you just going to create your own world and then help the most people in that world?
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And so that's what I'm in the process of doing, that is, creating already have created own world, but then showing people or revealing people, revealing to people what the world is through books or songs or whatever, speaking um, whatever that means, and then we'll see what happens with that.
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I'm not attached to any outcome well, how would you describe a visionary?
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You use that term, visionary, and so how would that be if you had to define it for people?
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To break it down, for others to understand, how would you define it?
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great, that's a great, that's good, that's a good question.
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Yeah, um, it's a good question, um, what I, what I have seen, is, with a true visionary, they have both high iq and and high eq, um, um, so high iq that you know.
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That makes sense.
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So, and then I'll just explain.
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So the high iq without the eq, what you see, there is a lot of folks in finance or law or um, see a lot of folks in finance or law, or see a lot of narcissists there, a lot of people that can scale things, but there's no like soul or essence.
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Fine, okay, so, totally fine.
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By the way, there's no judgment, it's just how I see the world.
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And then if you have the high EQ without the high IQ, then you have, like, street fair vendor, hippie playing guitar, uh, on the street, by the way, totally fine.
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Um, small nonprofit, totally fine.
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So the true visionary has both.
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They have the EQ, they lead with the heart, they lead with the gut, intuition, but then they have the IQ to um, to capitalize on that.
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They have the IQ to mechanize that heart, because having the heart's amazing, but if you don't have the ability to mechanize it and then find the people to mechanize it, help you mechanize it, then it's not the highest value of heart.
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So I see the true visionaries both having the high IQ.
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They have the high EQ and then they have the IQ that matches it.
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And so, with people who have both a high IQ and the EQ, what do you see them most likely doing as a visionary?
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Like, how, like, how are they presenting themselves to the world?
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Like what, what have you noticed?
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Are there any common themes that you've seen with?
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You know describing this kind of prototype, if you will.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, it's an you're, you're very strategic and then you can.
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It's fine.
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I appreciate that.
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I appreciate it, and then I'm a relator, so then I'll relate to your question the way you asked it, because it helps you and it helps your audience.
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So I'll relate to the way you simplify things.
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Most of them are wealthy.
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Money is energy.
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Most are wealthy.
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Most are running companies that really help people.
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First and foremost Doesn't matter employee count, foremost, um doesn't matter employee count, or you know it doesn't.
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That doesn't matter um, but they're, they're running.
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Six, quote-unquote in human terms, successful companies, um.
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Three uh, I've only seen four types of visionaries.
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Only I've, or whatever you want to type, whatever one is.
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Add adhd.
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That's almost everyone I talk to.
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Whether it's diagnosed or undiagnosed, it's not a disorder, sign of genius mislabeled by humans, uh.
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Two, uh, autism, asperger's, whatever it's called.
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Now I don't um my wife, who a doctor, has unofficially diagnosed me with that.
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I mean, there's no doubt that I'm on the spectrum, but everyone I talk to is on the spectrum in some capacity.
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Three is dyslexia.
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Probably 30% of the people I talk to are dyslexic, and if you can't learn that way, then you learn a different way.
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And then four, again to double down on what I said before, they all have high iq and high eq.
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You have to have both um, um.
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And then they always think of other people first, always um, without exception.
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They always ask how they can help first.
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It's very interesting.
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The narcissists are the ones that only talk about themselves and they always ask how they can help first.
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It's very interesting.
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The narcissists are the ones that only talk about themselves and they never see how they can help you.
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Very sensitive to that, very, very, very, very sensitive to that, as I imagine you are as well.
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Sure, sure, no, absolutely.
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And I think you know it's interesting that you mentioned narcissists, because when you are an empath, you know you tend to attract because of that right we can.
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I can understand you.
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I can understand where you're coming from.
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So I get that idea of having things, kind of having a system to work together through things and recognizing patterns, because that's how you make sense of your world, right, right, so you using.
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So it seems to me like you used, you figured out a way, then, right, to use these patterns that you're able to put together, to mechanize with it.
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Right, you know, leading with the heart, finding a way to mechanize with it using the IQ portion, you know, alongside the emotional quotient, you know EQ.
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Yes.
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You figured that out.
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So tell us what that journey is like for you to kind of navigate through that, because you know the way I look at it is.
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You know, everybody has dropped in the maze of life, right, everybody has their own maze and what everyone's maze looks like is different.
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So it seems like you figured out your paths in the maze that you were dropped in, and I just kind of want to know what that process was like for you, how you got you know, what led you then to you know, really take in the numerology what really led you to, led you down the paths that it led you to, whether it be with music, whether it be with, you know, you wrote that book, epic Life, which is, you know, which I just you know, which is just amazing, which is, you know, bestseller on multiple platforms.
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Tell us how that was, you know, how did that?
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What was that like for you, that journey, to put everything together?
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Well, the new book.
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I'm grateful Dr Deepak Chopra is doing the intro for next book, so that book's called Epic Journey.
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So that's funny, you keep saying journey.
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But so I'll simplify it as much as possible.
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So most and this is fine, no, there's no judgment, just I see things.
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So most of the world overthinks everything and they never actually do anything.
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They just think what does this mean?
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What?
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Well, what is what?
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What wait, what does that mean?
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What is that?
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Well, and then you haven't done anything.
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So I'm the opposite of that.
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I don't overthink anything, I just um and um.
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And then when you talk to visionaries all day, most, not all, but most of the ideas, the great ideas that come into my life are from other visionaries, and then most of them have add, so they'll just ramble, and then 99 out of 100 will not be a good let's.
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I'll even double down on that 999 out of a thousand will be not good ideas, but I'll know the one, at least in my heart, that's a good one.
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And I'm an intuitive activator.
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I'm like, oh, that's a good.
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So it's just a constant um.
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Discernment, galvanizing, uh, you know, from talking to the most interesting people on the planet.
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And then discernment, uh, you know, realizing what's the most important, one or two ideas, and then galvanize, mechanize, create a book out of it, create a song company out of it, create a mastermind out of it, okay, so then here's this.
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Here, this kind of maybe answers your question too.
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So this is one of the books I'm reading currently.
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I'm reading like 20 books currently, but this one is called Love and the Soul Creating a Future for Earth.
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It's really good, okay, really good.
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Yeah, most people aren't reading a book like this, but I so, um, but, and then this book, besides man's search for meaning, uh, victor frankl, but victor frankl, which, to me, that that just can't be topped.
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I mean, I guess it could, but to me, I, just because of his bravery, but, um, so this one, besides man's search for meaning, this has the best, um, I think, definition of purpose or meaning of life that I've seen currently, and again, I'm 47 years old in human terms, but okay, so I'll read what, what it says.
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So there is a tremendous void of love and thus of soul in the world.
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This void does not remain empty, but is taken up primarily by scientific, technological and economic materialism, which would try to make a world full of substitutes for love and soul.
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So you have people are their souls, or the love, but then it's getting replaced by materialism because people aren't looking into their own heart.
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Okay, so.
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So then the key and this is literally it simplified everything that I guess you want, whatever you want to say that I'm doing or creating or helping.
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So okay, technology must be met at every step by an equal interest in how soul can actually function in the world, the challenge of practicing soul work in the world.
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Only the very essence of soul as love, worked out in concrete and specific ways, can balance these world powers.
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So what this music company is is it's soul work in a actual tent.
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Creating your own songs with artificial intelligence.
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That's a really good way of showcasing love and soul.
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A mastermind where you connect the world's top visionaries.
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Doing a book where deepak chopra's writing the introduction that's a good way to have a concrete.
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So like and talk is meaningless to me.
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I don't, I don't.
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People talk.
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They don't create anything tangible.
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That's totally meaningless to me.
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Do something about what you're saying or what you're feeling.
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So that's, that's what I've seen is the best besides man's search for meaning, best showcase of purpose that I've.
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That I've seen so it seems like you're getting a lot of these ideas based off of like philosophies of others and of theory of mind of other people.
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Heart, heart, heart, too right.
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No heart first.
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Heart first, so heart first.
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The visionary always leads with the heart, you know.
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So the visionary always leads with the heart, but it's also the heart and mind then too yeah, correct that will go together, right.
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So then it's just so.
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It seems like you're really so, it seems like you're very.
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You have a very um attuned sense for picking these things out, which is a very?
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Um niche talent that you have, because a lot of people no, no, no.
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11 life paths are the most intuitive.
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It's very rare to be an 11.
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That's what that's my point, cause you're like well, this doesn't make any sense, so then it's nice to have those, I guess, assessments or whatever.
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That like validates the wrong word.
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But like, and then in human design, I'm a manifester.
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That's very rare.
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That's less than 8% of the population.
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Most of the world is a generator or a manifesting generator or a projector, but a manifester, you can just kind of're wired and then it kind of explains it For me.
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It's very helpful to have that, not only for me, but then I can inform others with that information and then I never stop learning.
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But no, if everyone was like this, it'd be a disaster no-transcript about.
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Like life path number and you talk about human design.
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How can people figure out what their life path number is and tell us a little bit or what you know about human design so people can better understand these?
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oh, oh well, um, if you just um LifePath, all you do is you add up the individual numbers in your birth date and then most people are between a 1 and 9, and then there's three master numbers 11s, which is what you and I are, 22s I only know two 22s and then 33s.
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Those are the biggest empaths.
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They want to take care of everybody, but most people are one through nine.
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And then human design.
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If you just Google human design, there's a million sites where you can just plug in some.
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You need your name, which I'm guessing most people have your birthday, the actual time of birth and then where you were born.
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So, and it's what I found with both life path and human design, they're freakishly accurate.