Jill Schulman - A Marine Veteran Explains How to Conquer Fear - E217
What if confidence is not something you feel before you act, but something you build after? Jill Schulman has the research, and the rope, to prove it.
Jill Schulman was one of the first women to lead in Marine Corps combat engineering. She then turned a career in pharma and corporate leadership development into a master's in positive psychology at Penn, and she has trained more than 30,000 leaders around one idea: action creates confidence. Her book, The Bravery Effect, delivers that science as a parable. In this conversation, she and I make sense of why waiting until you feel ready is a trap, what a terrifying obstacle course taught her about fear, and why bravery is a skill anyone can build. You will also hear the one small step you can put on your calendar for tomorrow. Stay with me.
Connect With Jill Schulman: Website: https://www.jillschulman.com Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jillschulman LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jillaschulman Book: The Bravery Effect (Greenleaf Book Group, 2025): https://www.amazon.com/Bravery-Effect-Teaching-Conquering-Achieving/dp/B0F2BBPR35 Free audiobook offer mentioned in the episode: link not found, to be supplied by Jill's team
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Timestamps 0:00 - 1:23: Cold Open and Welcome 1:23 - 3:25: What Life Feels Like Now: A Healthy Obsession 3:25 - 6:01: Pruning Good Work to Make Room for Great 6:01 - 8:34: Day One in the Marine Corps: Pink Polka Dots and "You Will Never Make It" 8:34 - 11:50: Bravery in Little Moments and Holding Yourself to the Marine Standard 11:50 - 15:07: Combat Engineering and Learning to Get Punched in the Face 15:07 - 19:36: From Pharma to Penn: Positive Psychology and the Problem of Fear 19:36 - 23:28: Bravery Defined and Why Action Builds Confidence 23:28 - 27:14: The Slide for Life and Fear as a Signpost 27:14 - 29:17: Why Jill Grabbed the Rope: Ask Your Future Self 29:17 - 33:03: Surround Yourself With People Who Call Forth Your Best 33:03 - 37:35: Bravery Myths: Built Not Born, and Fear Is a Good Sign 37:35 - 41:01: Your First Small Brave Step: Plan It and Put It on the Calendar 41:01 - 42:56: Why The Bravery Effect Is a Parable 42:56 - 46:52: Difficult Conversations, Imposter Syndrome, and Studying Other People's Journeys 46:52 - 47:39: The One Sentence to Remember 47:39 - 49:24: Where to Find Jill and Her Free Book Offer 49:24 - 50:15: Closing Thoughts
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