Wall-E: Is There Hope for Humanity? | S01E07

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All right, everybody, welcome back
to the podcast where we discuss the plausibility

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of sci fi concepts with experts.
I'm your house Tidy Compo, and today

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we are exploring the science behind the
people of Wally. Now, this episode

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absolutely had to happen here on Reality
Check because the question we are answering today

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is one that everybody has been asking, literally since the movie came out in

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two thousand and eight. Are we
turning into the people from Wally? And

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I could not think of anybody better
for this episode than Steve cam For those

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of you who are unfamiliar, Steve
is the rebel leader and father of nerd

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Fitness, which has an online fitness
community that has helped over ten thousand one

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on one clients. I don't know
why I just did the Donald Trump thing

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just there. Ten thousand. It's
like a big emphasis. That's a big

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deal. Ten thousand and one on
one clients. And if that wasn't enough,

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he also has a million nerds that
he's helping monthly. That's amazing,

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Like that is truly making a difference. He's helping them, you know,

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respawn, level up, become better
people overall. Steve founded the company in

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two thousand and nine, and I've
been a fan of his for a long

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time and I'm really excited to have
him on the show. So not only

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is Steve going to answer a burning
question are we turning into the people from

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Wally? But he's also going to
be diving into some practical solutions just for

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you reality check geeks. So,
without further ado, let's get ready for

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another mind blowing episode of reality Check. Oh thanks, prepared for hybrid rives,

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too slow, all right, reality
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So we have all seen the movie
which came out in two thousand and eight

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for those of you who love those
movie facts and trivia that I do.

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But you may not have remembered that
the ship that the humans were living on

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was called Axiom But did you know
that a real company called Axiom Space was

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founded eight years prior to when the
movie came out. And what's even crazier

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is that Axiom Space is scheduled to
open up a real live space hotel in

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the next five years or so.
And that is a freaky, eerie correlation

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because that just shows that sometimes science
fiction really does predict the future, which

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is my whole interest for the show, and in the case of this episode,

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that would not be a good thing. So see you mentioned that you

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rewatched Wally lately, So tell me
some of your initial thoughts on this cute

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little Pixar film and how it just
kind of relates to some of the realities

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that it's exposing. Sure, first
of all, hiid, it's so good

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to be here. I am a
fan of I'd started downloading the podcast and

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have been listening to your past episodes
already, and I've just thoroughly enjoyed it.

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The title of the conversation, the
nerdiness, checks every box for me.

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So thank you for putting this out
in the world. I am honored

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to be here. And uh,
like everybody, i'd love I love Pixar.

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I love what they do. I
love their creative process. I think

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their attention to detail is unlike anything
I'm may be seen in any movie,

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and Wally is is no different.
His mannerisms and the way that Wally feels

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like a real life uh you know, almost like half dog half half human.

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He's got a little lunch pale that
he brings with him to work every

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day and his his friend who's a
cockroach. All of a sudden, I'm

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like crying about a cockroach and two
robots and their there. Uh they're meat

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cute and how that worked out.
So I'd loved it. I love the

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movie. I thought opening, uh, a kids movie with thirty minutes of

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no dialogue is really bold and was
I'm guessing. Uh, you know,

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I I've read multiple books about Pixar's
creative process and knowing what the the hoops

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they had to jump through to get
that through to the final production is amazing.

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So you watched this movie, these
Robots, and you see the giant

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trash piles on Earth, and then
you see the Buy and Large, which

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is like the one company left on
Earth, and you're like, oh,

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boy, okay, I think I
see where this is going. You think

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it's about robots, and then you
meet the human population later on and you

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find out what humans have been up
to you for the last seven hundred years.

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And I remember watching this with my
joh on the ground in two thousand

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and eight, and I haven't seen
it really since. I watched it again

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this past weekend and my job remained
on the ground it's like, Oh my

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gosh, I can't believe Pixar was
able and willing and had the risk and

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the I guess the appetite to portray
humans in this way really bold, really

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challenging. I think initially my thoughts
were like, oh boy, you definitely

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can't make this movie in twenty twenty
three. But the more I thought about

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it and the more I watched it, the more I realized it wasn't about

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human moral failings, but instead it
was about just how important our environments are

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to shaping who we are as people. So I'm really excited to talk about

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that on this podcast. But just
everything about the movie Pixar, I think,

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geez I want to say it was
Andrew Bird potentially did the directing.

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I can't remember if I'm getting that
right, but just a masterclass in visual

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storytelling and then combined with just like
great artificial intelligence and human behavioral human stuff

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and humor between two robots speaking two
different languages. I just I loved everything

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about it. Yeah, it was
super cute, and I loved what you

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said about it was a bold move
for them, because I would probably tend

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to agree with you that it's I
don't know if it's something that they could

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do now, because our thoughts and
opinions have really changed about what's okay and

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what's not okay to portray in movies, and our culture has really made a

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big shift with the way that we
are treating larger size people. And some

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of it's for the good, I'll
admit that, and some of it's not

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as good. Like, I absolutely
love the fact that there is this whole

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movement saying, you know, big
is beautiful, and I agree with that.

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I think people can be drop dead
attractive at any size. People are

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one thousand percent valuable at any size. People are worthy at every size,

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and I'm happy for those aspects.
But people can't necessarily be healthy at every

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size. And I think that we
see that dichotomy in our culture today.

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Yeah, I agree. I mean
I think, you know, and obviously

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going to tread very lately here,
Like you, I think everybody is everybody

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is worthy. I also don't think
that somebody's size or their struggle with food

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is a moral failing. I think
it's really easy these days to portray people

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as as lazy or simply tell them
to put the fork down. The reality

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is, like, we're not humans
We're not dramatically different than we have been

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for the past for one hundred and
fifty thousand years as a species. The

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thing that has changed is our environment
and technology and society. So there are

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there are many aspects to humans that
you know, despite like we all know

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eating broccoli and chicken is better than
eating French fries and pizza like this,

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we all know that. But shaming
people or telling them that they're they're somehow

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a failure as a result of not
being able to stick with certain things,

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I think speaks more to the person
making those claims and not to the people

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that are potentially struggling with this stuff. So this is a place at NERD

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Fitness, I'm really proud of that
we've been able to help and show as

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much compassion and empathy as possible for
people, because this stuff is really hard.

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Like, first of all, pizza
is amazing, It's so good,

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and I can't imagine a life without
carbs not interested. At the same time,

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there's so many aspects that are play
here, Like yes, our weight

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is a simple math equation of calories
and versus calories out at the same time

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it's really complex. We have hormones, people are living in food deserts,

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the socioeconomic status they might have.
They're working three jobs orree with three kids

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and they're the only person at home
and their kid wants to go to McDonald's.

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Like, I'm not going to fault
them for that. So it's really

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easy to preach and to tell people
that they must give up certain foods,

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that they should be afraid of other
things, and that the evidence is in

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just shaming people and yelling at them
and trying to tell them more knowledge about

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the things they already know isn't working. So we're going to need to try

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some different stuff, and that's what
we're trying to do with nerd fitness.

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I love that. That's one thing
I've always like, I was saying this

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to you before we hit record,
but it's like, that's something I've always

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loved about nerd fitness as you have
taken something that's you know, it's like

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if you take the lens of fitness
and you look at it, like in

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the nineteen seventies and the nineteen eighties, you watch those old school films,

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the jocks were the bullies, and
it's like the jocks were the cool kids,

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and it was like not accessible to
anybody else, and the world has

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really changed. Like now we see
like Martine's a World's Strongest Band competitor,

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came out and like openly admitted like
he was like coming out of the closet

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that he plays dungeons and Dragons,
And I'm like, I love seeing people

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with more diverse interests being represented in
fitness and that's something I appreciate about your

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business. So tell me a little
bit about this. I am curious about

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why. You know, why psychologically
do we know that something's good or bad,

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but we make those choices. Have
you discovered some solutions or answers to

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that working with this specific population,
because we know we shouldn't have pizza,

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We know we should eat more broccoli, but we just don't. Like I'll

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admit it, I had two,
not one, but two slices of Costco

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pizza over the weekend at the same
time I know we shouldn't. Sure should

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Yeah? I mean so again,
speaking speaking of this as a fellow a

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fellow nerd who also has tons of
insecurities and struggles, It's just that my

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struggles personally are not with food.
I think the challenging aspect of it is

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for people that struggle with over eating. You have to eat every day.

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It's not like other addictions in which
you could literally go cold turkey, you

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can enter, you can go to
reab and cut those things out, but

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rather, this is something that is
truly something you're going to do every single

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day for the rest of your life. And that's combined with like I said,

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environmental factors, socioeconomic factors, your
mental health. All of these things

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have factored into you know, the
what's perceived as you know, potentially,

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like I said, a moral failing. But really it's like there's there's not

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as much free will, I think
in these areas as we might lead ourselves

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to believe. Even like registered dietitians, there's studies that have done like I

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want, we want you to track
your calories as a registered dietitian, and

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even registered dietitians who know these things
tracking all of their calories still tend to

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underestimate how much they're eating. People
that aren't registered dietitians that might be overweight

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can underestimate by as much as forty
fifty percent, one hundred percent, two

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hundred percent. It's wow, it's
really, it's really shocking and challenging to

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understand just how many calories are putting
in our body. So people come to

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nerd Fitness they're like, man,
I've tried every diet. I've tried Keto

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because my coworker told me that I
should go Keto and I hated it.

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I've tried the Paleo diet, I
did the Military diet, which is comically

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named because it has nothing to do
with the military. There's all these diets

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out there. I've tried them all
and none of them work. I am

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a failure and that's heartbreaking to me. The reality is the majority of these

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diets are designed to essentially create temporary
changes, and as we know, temporary

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changes create temporary results. So people
do like a whole like you know,

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a whole thirty or they do like
a thirty day challenge, like man,

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that was great, but then they
go back to doing what they were doing

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before, or they jump on Keto
and they're like, I'm out on carbs

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and after five days they've lost all
that bloated water weight and they're like,

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oh my god, I've lost fifteen
pounds. This is so good, except

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they're miserable and every day they're like
white knuckling it through with their their protein

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and their spinach, and they're just
like, just Okay, I hope this

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gets better. Unsurprisingly, it does
it because they have eliminated like all sources

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of joy from their life. So
they end up in these situations where they're

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making temporary changes without the companying like
mental health updates or the behavioral changes or

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environmental changes that can assist in those
areas. So they come to nerd Fitness

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and we're like, fantastic keto out. If you don't like keto, we're

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not going to do it. Tell
me how you eat currently, Talk to

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me about your life at home,
talk to me about and this is our

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coaching program. We have coaches on
staff nerd Fitness and they literally one on

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one with clients, you know,
via an app. Tell me how you

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eat, Tell you about your relationship
with food growing up. This is the

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one time in your life you can
be truly honest about what you're eating on

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a day to day basis, which
I think is really freeing for a lot

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of people. And once we identify
some of those things, it's okay,

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we're gonna work on the mental aspects
of this. We're going to work on

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the behavioral aspects and we're going to
start to see if we can shift whether

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it's your environment, try to get
you know, a virtuous cycle going of

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hey, like, we're going to
start to change your identity. We're going

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to change that through proving to you
that some changes can stick. We're going

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to do it sustainably, we're going
to do it enjoyably, and we're going

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to do it in a way in
which food is no longer good or bad.

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You know, there's no food is
not moral, it's just it's just

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food, Like it's just pizza.
We're going to work on the mental hang

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ups and the mental the relationship that
people have with food. So we really

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prioritize a lot of that stuff from
like a really well rounded perspective, just

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because we know that telling people to
like, here, follow this meal play

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out of chicken and broccoli or salmon
and asparagus, like is not going to

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work. So it's like, yeah, that might be great if everybody did

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it, but people aren't doing it, So why don't we try some different

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strategies. So we really come at
it from a very different perspective. Yeah,

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and I love that you said two
things that I want to re emphasize

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because I think they're really valuable.
Is one is it's not about the knowledge.

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I have seen medical doctors get up
on stage and talk about metabolic disorders

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and you look at them and it's
like they're they are metapaolic disorder, they're

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extremely obese, and it's like they
know everything there could possibly be to know

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about that topic and they're still failing
at it. So it's not knowledge,

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you're not. And then I also
loved to I said it's not a moral

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failing either. And then I loved
what you said about changing identity because it

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does really come down to like just
a massive mindset shift and having that behavioral

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change. So I'm kind of curious
because you've been at this for a while

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now, you started your business in
two thousand and nine. We have seen

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the rise of a lot of new
technology start taking over. It's like I've

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got my aura ring on right now. It's like we have wearables, we

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have a million different things. Do
you see a lot of new technology like

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helping or hindering? Is technology exposing
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issues? I want to hear your
thoughts on how some technologies have maybe change

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the fitness landscape. Sure, I
think. I mean, first and foremost,

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obviously my business would not exist without
technology. So technology, big fan,

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big fan of the internets and and
computers. I think technology. There's

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a there's a great blog called Stritectory, and Ben Thompson specifically talks about how

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technology and you know, the Internet
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and I think that's both really really
good and really really bad. I

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think it's really really good because it
can reduce the friction between Like you said,

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you know the movies back in the
seventies and eighties, you know,

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the jocks ran the gym and nerds
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feel at home in those places.
They didn't have a place to go.

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because I didn't it wasn't like,
ooh, I think nerd nerd culture is

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going to be popular. I was
just a door playing video games and I

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liked helping people not get started,
and I didn't think there was a home

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for that. So I just like, I'm just going to start writing.

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one on one in a gym.
I can now write an article and send

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an email out to you know,
hundreds of thousands of people, and it

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could impact them in their own home. They can read it on their own

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schedule. I think a lot of
people are really self conscious still of going

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to a gym, So we help
them overcome some of those fears and challenges

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by saying like, hey, here's
a workout program you can do at home.

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Also, here's some accountability and some
non judgmental empathy as well, so

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like, hey, like we understand
what you're struggling with, like almost like

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mcgiver, like, tell me what
your situation is, and we're going to

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build a build an environment for you
or with you so that those things can

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fit. So I think technology has
empowered so many more people and allowed a

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lot of people that might have felt
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I the nerdsit community that we call
ourselves the Rebellion in paying homage to

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Star Wars is the thing I'm most
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a small, small part of it. I'm just like one guy that happens

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to be in this community that is
really really supportive and worldwide, which is

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amazing. At the same time,
I think it's really easy to just say

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like bam, we're just going to
slap AI on it, and or we're

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just gonna, oh, we're going
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and I think without accompanying like like
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strong reason or really strong behavioral environmental
change as a result, it's really easy

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to kind of let the technology do
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doing it in the first place.
I'll share an example. So I signed

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up for a meditation app. So
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I am running crazy. I hear
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like a great way to do it. So I signed up for one of

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the apps, and you know,
there's a game of few of you do

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it every day and you get a
little checkbox and then after certain days you

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earn a medal, like ooh,
this is great. I think I got

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up to like fifty days in a
row. I got a little icon or

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a metal It's like, this is
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just like Okay, I don't even
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like, oh, I have to
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keep my schedule going. And then
for whatever reason it's traveling, I missed

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one day and then I I don't
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after that, so I was like, I missed one day, you know,

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like the whole Jerry Seinfeldt like,
oh, put an X on a

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calendar, Like that's great, and
it works really well until it doesn't.

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the streak or tracking streaks or tracking
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hooked on the streak and forget why
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almost like the tail wagging the dog. So if you're not careful,

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you can almost outsource everything to technology, forget the reason why you started to

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do it in the first place,
and then if that technology inevitably fails or

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you miss a day or something,
the underlying habit might not have been properly

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built, and the motivation and the
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established. So it's really easy to
fall all the way back to where you

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were because well, you know,
I did one hundred and fifty days in

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a row, but I missed one, like, there's no way I'm going

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to do one hundred and fifty two
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that streak. Well, like the
reality is you just missed a day,

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the next day. But that app is

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now like very specifically telling you,
like your streak is zero and you have

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to start all over again. So
technology can be great. It can help

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spread more information from like wearables and
tech. It can be a great way

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to draw your attention to things that
you might want to focus on a little

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bit more personally of the opinion that
like wearing like a glucose monitor and less

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you're a diabetic is probably giving you
more information than you need and could be

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confounding the results that you might need
or getting you to focus on the wrong

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thing. So I think there's some
tech that can be good. I think

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a lot of people might take this
biohacking stuff a little too far, and

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the people that are like the people
that really need the most help could probably

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get overwhelmed by this stuff. So
it's like finding the technology that simplifies things

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or gets out of the way to
help them build like those really basic,

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really basic fundamental you know, exercise
habits or nutritional teaches so that you focus

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on that stuff, reality checks future. Yeah, and the motivation, the

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underlying motivation, I think is absolutely
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up the thing of the app,
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I used to have dual lingo,
so du alligo is famous for that.

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You get, you know, it's
like little duo bird. He's sharing you

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on. He's like, you can
do it, you can do it,

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and you're like, I don't want
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you're really good about studying your language. And I was actually studying Russian for

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quite a while. I can speak
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to me and they were like,

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you're doing so good with your streak, and I ended up like, I

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don't even know how this happened.
I ended up becoming like the state representative

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ambassador for the Russian language, and
I was like, uh, And it

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was like it was totally detached from
what was actually happening because the original goal

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was to learn Russian, and then
the end goal came down to maintaining my

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streak. So I would just like
I would get on the app and I

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would just like hit, hit,
gimme a hit, and I would just

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be like punching it in just so
I could get my streak, not actually

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learning Russian, not becoming successful with
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this new goal, this more addicting
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my app or my streak on the
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what you said is the same thing. So how do you help people identify

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with their true motivator is, because
I think that's really like if we were

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to boil this all down, that's
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It's not sometimes it's accessibility. Sometimes
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down the motivation. And like I
look at myself right now. I've been

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a competitive athlete in the past.
I was not as a kid, Like

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as a kid, I was,
you know, playing StarCraft, so that

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was my thing as a kid.
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Became a very competitive athlete. As
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Man and then the last maybe year
I got married and I just really lost

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interest and I don't I don't have
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I just doing this to find a
husband? It's like now it's I just

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I couldn't care less, And I
am like, I know I should.

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I've been doing this for a long
time. All my knowledge is there,

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accessibilities, there, there are literally
no barriers for me, and I still

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don't do the thing. So how
do you help people identify their true motivation

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and make that sustainable? Sure,
So nerd Fitness we call it your Big

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Era, your Big Why. Essentially
it's working with people and really it's like

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you just keep asking why over and
over and over until we get to the

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root cause of maybe you know,
most people come to us for generally weight

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loss. I'm trying to lose weight. I got a wedding coming up,

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or you know, I gotta i
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or I'm about to have my first
my first kid, or whatever it

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may be, and I'm looking to
get in shapes Like that's fantastic. Like

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at the same time, let's talk
about where you're at in your life,

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what your goals are. Maybe you
know, how do you view yourself?

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I'll feel better about myself. It's
like, okay, like that's certainly possible.

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Like what do you think about,
like when you look in the mirror,

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what do you see? And why, Well, I want to feel

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more confident, Okay, Like why
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Some mistisis it's because I'm trying to
date for the first time, or I

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got a scare from the doctor and
I'm really worried about my my health.

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it. That's an interesting angle, or

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you know. So I think I
think there's like that deep psychological level of

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like really getting down to the root
of why I think. Like you,

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I was somebody that almost like never
never missed a workout and like build my

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life around it. I think eventually
I came to realize that, like I

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was optimizing out a lot of the
things that made like why I was doing

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it in the first place. Right, So I love spending time with friends.

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I love on Friday nights with my
wife we eat pizza and drink prosecco

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and watch a movie and with the
dogs in the couch and like that's just

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what we do so perfect and it's
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cheat meal because I'm not cheating on
anything because I'm an adult and I like

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pizza, So I chose to eat
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I exercise because I'm like, I
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active, you know, when I'm
seventy, Or I want to stay fit

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because I like how it makes me
feel after a workout. Or I like

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to exercise because I want to find
out what I'm capable of with strength.

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It makes every other part of my
life better. So like I'm focused on

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how it makes me feel and not
that like I, oh, I'm not

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going to break a streak, or
I don't have a particular lift goal.

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I think what we've found with most
of our clients is they come to us

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for weight loss and their goal is
to reach a specific goal weight. But

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as they start to lose weight and
we help them identify types of exercise that

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they actually enjoy, their goals shift
from weight to performance. They're like,

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hmm, I wonder what I'm capable
of now, And it starts with I

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wonder if I could run a five
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a handstand, or I wanted to
do a pull up, Like awesome,

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let's get you there. And as
they get empowered in these areas, they

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then might look to other parts of
their lives. Oh I wonder, like

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maybe I don't feel as stuck as
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I wonder if I could go hike
machu peach you, or oh I

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wonder if you know, taking that
new job is actually some thing I'm willing

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to try. So there's there's like
different levels of motivation and like sounds like

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you're going through quite a bit.
You got married, you're getting a master

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as you're working on this podcast,
Like, yeah, I totally get it

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that you might not have the same
excitement and zeal to train, Like that's

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also okay, Like that might be
the season of life you're in right now.

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That doesn't make you a bad person. That doesn't mean you suddenly have

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this moral failing that you didn't have. It just means that, like right

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now, it might not be as
much of a priority. Like that's that's

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totally okay. Well, thank you
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people have gone through similar things.
I was just talking to another friend of

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mine about this recently, who is
a competitive athlete. I won't say,

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I won't say what sport he was
in, but he was top tier,

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top tier because people he's a good
friend of mine, I don't want people

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to know who he is. But
top tier athlete got married and then just

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started gaining weight, got chubby,
and he's just like what happened. So

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we've just kind of been talking about
like those motivation changes and the shifting,

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and I think it is interesting.
You know, big life changes, your

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motivations change, and you know,
who knows somebody who's maybe they're really good

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at training for a while and then
their life changes, their motivation change,

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and then they start thinking it's like, oh, it's a moral failing,

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like you said, They're like I
must be broken or whatever, but it's

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not. And it's renegotiating your identity. Circling back to what we were talking

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to earlier, it's renegotiating your identity
with yourself and discovering your new motivations.

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So I'm kind of curious, do
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don't have a strong enough motivator to
do the thing absolutely all the time.

407
00:28:45.400 --> 00:28:48.240
Like, first of all, we're
all disasters, right, Like, let's

408
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:52.839
let's be honest, you low watching
Wally, Like we're all disasters on a

409
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:56.079
rock hurling through space. None of
this makes sense, et cetera. So

410
00:28:56.799 --> 00:29:02.599
like we are also broken helping people
who are broken. But and I don't

411
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:06.519
mean that in a bad way.
It's like we that's just like that's human

412
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:10.319
nature, Like we're all trying to
figure this stuff out. Anybody that tells

413
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:12.799
you they have like the key to
life is lying to you or has something

414
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:18.359
to tell you. So I think
reality is more like, hey, we

415
00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:19.480
have people that come to us like
I'm going to try to lose weight,

416
00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:26.119
and there is this thing called,
i think the abstinence violation effect, and

417
00:29:26.160 --> 00:29:27.920
it's the thing that we see over
and over and over again with clients.

418
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:32.279
It's something we point out to them
before they even start. But it's this

419
00:29:32.359 --> 00:29:36.200
idea that oh, I'm going to
join a running club or I'm going to

420
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:38.720
work out with the personal trainer.
And they go for the first two sessions

421
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:42.200
or three sessions, things are great, but then they miss a session.

422
00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:47.519
Their kid got sick, the work
ran late, whatever, and they miss

423
00:29:47.559 --> 00:29:51.119
a session and they feel so badly
about missing a session that they then miss

424
00:29:51.200 --> 00:29:55.559
the next one because they're afraid to
go back and admit that they missed the

425
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:59.599
previous one, And then with each
missed session, they just stay further and

426
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:03.400
further and further away until they get
to the point where like I can't you

427
00:30:03.440 --> 00:30:04.759
know, like, oh, it's
been a year and I can't go back

428
00:30:04.799 --> 00:30:07.319
to because who knows what they're going
to think about me because I missed all

429
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:11.160
these running sessions. Like when people
join us as like welcome, what do

430
00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:15.119
you what is your biggest fear joining
NERD Fitness? Like my fear is that

431
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.000
I'm going to give up after two
weeks. I'm like, congratulations, you

432
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:21.079
are definitely going to give up after
two weeks. And here's why. Because

433
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:23.279
life is going to happen. Like
it's not a bad thing, that's just

434
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:29.880
what happens. So everything inside of
you is going to tell you to go

435
00:30:30.000 --> 00:30:33.960
hide in a hole and just feel
ashamed and beat yourself up and not come

436
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:37.640
back. That's that's that's the old
you talking. That's the pattern that you've

437
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:42.720
already told us. You find yourself
in so instead, let's preemptively put something

438
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:48.839
in place where even if you miss
that workout and the next day, well,

439
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:51.680
our coaches will still message you through
the app with a funny meme or

440
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:53.759
something, even if you send back
an emoji, just to let us know

441
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:59.519
that you're still reading. We've had
people join our coaching program and our coaches

442
00:30:59.519 --> 00:31:03.160
will still message them and send them
funny memes semi regularly, even if they're

443
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:07.079
not responding, and then six months
later they'll be like, I saw every

444
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:11.359
one of these messages. I really
appreciate you sticking with me. I'm in

445
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:14.079
a different place now and I'm ready
to start again. It's like, no

446
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:17.000
problem. We've been here the whole
time, and we'll still be there for

447
00:31:17.039 --> 00:31:21.359
you the next time things go poorly. You know, life is not normal,

448
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:25.279
and that's totally normal, Like that's
fine, and we're all struggling with

449
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:27.559
stuff. We're all dealing with this. So we identify those things ahead of

450
00:31:27.599 --> 00:31:32.440
time. We tell people exactly how
things are going to go, and that

451
00:31:32.599 --> 00:31:34.680
voice in their heads to try to
preempt some of it, and then we're

452
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:38.160
still there to pick them up and
support them when they are willing to come

453
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:42.160
back. If you know, they
they you know, guilt ghost dust for

454
00:31:42.440 --> 00:31:45.920
you know, two weeks or three
weeks or whatever it may be. It's

455
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:48.759
like, no problem, Like we're
still here. We really pride ourselves on

456
00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:52.400
non judgmental, you know, messaging
of like we're not going to guilt you

457
00:31:52.519 --> 00:31:56.400
for feeling to feel bad that you
miss something. It's like, all right,

458
00:31:56.519 --> 00:31:57.880
did you miss it because you were
doing something fun? I hope,

459
00:31:59.079 --> 00:32:00.920
Like that's cool. Was it like
great? Did you eat cake? What

460
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:04.400
flavor was it? Was it really
good? I hope so, because I

461
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:07.039
also had cake yesterday. Like we're
just normal people trying to help people through

462
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:13.240
this stuff too. I truly love
that because it's you know you, Like

463
00:32:13.279 --> 00:32:15.799
this is one reason why I've always
been a fan of You're a fan of

464
00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:17.880
your brand, because it's like,
you know, you can you can sense

465
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:22.720
these things from a distance usually,
and it's like that it's that wholesome leadership

466
00:32:22.759 --> 00:32:25.359
that people need, Like people need
that like that friendship and camaraderie. And

467
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:30.559
you're talking about like earlier you were
saying about how you know, people level

468
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:31.400
up and then they're like, oh, well I wanted to lose weight now

469
00:32:31.440 --> 00:32:35.720
I want to do this performance goals
and it's almost like you're helping them move

470
00:32:35.759 --> 00:32:38.880
along Maslow's hierarchy of needs, and
sometimes they're getting stuck at a certain level,

471
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:43.319
and you just still show up non
judgmental because it's like one of our

472
00:32:43.319 --> 00:32:49.440
basic human needs is loved acceptance,
and people cannot reach self actualization without love

473
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:54.079
and acceptance. So how could they
possibly ever become the best client athlete friend

474
00:32:54.200 --> 00:32:58.519
that they can if they're feeling like
you're judging them. And that's something I

475
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:01.799
do, unfortunately see a lot the
fitness industry still is. There's these coaches

476
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:06.079
that'll come out there and they'll be
like, if you're not at least ninety

477
00:33:06.079 --> 00:33:08.160
five percent, then you can't work
with me because we're the cool kids or

478
00:33:08.200 --> 00:33:12.240
whatever. And it's just like that's
not helping. Like the only kind of

479
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:17.039
energy that that's attracting are other people
who are self deprecating and like there's almost

480
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:21.920
like there's this energy of wanting to
feel needed, and they're like, well,

481
00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:23.480
if I hit one hundred percent and
I'm on it with this coach and

482
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:27.839
this coach loves me, then I'll
be accepted. But it's never going to

483
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:30.319
work. It's never going to satisfy
that need because it's never wholesome to begin

484
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:34.759
with. So I love that you're
able to take people from the bottom and

485
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:39.599
help them move up towards self actualization
through recognizing wherever they are at in their

486
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:44.680
journey. And I will give a
shout out to Mark right now. He's

487
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:46.079
a friend of mine who because it's
like, again, it's like I'm admitting

488
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:49.759
I'm in this with you, guys. I've been a competitive athlete for years.

489
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:53.079
I was at national level strong man
competitor, and I just have not

490
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:55.799
had it in me for a year. And I think every day for the

491
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:59.920
past two months, he's texted me
every morning and just said do fitness,

492
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:04.039
and every single day I have not
done it. And he keeps sex to

493
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:06.279
me. He's like, do fitness
today, and it's just like I love

494
00:34:06.319 --> 00:34:08.159
it. He's just like he's still
there. Some days I'll just like his

495
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:12.400
comment, some days I'll ignore it. It's like, but he knows,

496
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:15.920
and I asked him for the accountability
and he's still there. And I appreciate

497
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:20.039
people like that. I mean,
it's good to have people in your corner

498
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:27.079
that are will both support you and
also be understanding. Just to kind of

499
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:30.280
riff a little bit on what you're
saying that. I think there's plenty of

500
00:34:30.280 --> 00:34:37.679
people that are former Navy seals or
former badass athletes that are like super hardcore

501
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:42.800
and want people to like, you
know, eat rocks and then like jump

502
00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:45.880
in a cold plunge and then jump
in a cold plunge and then like you

503
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:47.719
know, punch a brick while and
wrestle a bear. And I'm like,

504
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:51.960
that sounds terrible, Like I want
nothing to do with any of them.

505
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.239
I can't relate to it. I
would much rather sit on my couch and

506
00:34:54.239 --> 00:35:00.880
play video games. But like brushing
my teeth or wearing pants in public,

507
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:04.880
like I prefer to, you know, occasionally exercising is the thing I should

508
00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:07.039
do because it makes me feel good
and it's the right thing to do for

509
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:08.960
me. At this point, I'm
like, you know what, I'm just

510
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:13.519
gonna I'm gonna do that. I'm
gonna do my thirty minutes of working out.

511
00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:15.239
I don't particularly have any goals right
now. I think he even sent

512
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:20.400
an email out to the nerd Fitness
email list, but it was just like,

513
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:22.000
I've been kind of half assed in
my workouts for six months. I'm

514
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:25.719
working on a big project on the
side, and I have other life and

515
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:30.639
travel things and whatever. I've been
half asking my workout. I don't mind.

516
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:32.840
I don't care. I'm like,
half asking a workout is so much

517
00:35:32.840 --> 00:35:37.000
better than not doing anything. So
I'm like, I'm just gonna do what

518
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:40.280
I can today with the mental bandwidth
I do have available, and uh,

519
00:35:40.280 --> 00:35:43.400
that's it, and then I'm going
to get back to living the rest of

520
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:46.719
my life because I don't want my
life to revolve around this completely. It's

521
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:50.480
part of what I do, but
it's not at the expensive you know who

522
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:52.679
I am. Yeah, well,
you've built up I think you've probably built

523
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:57.679
up enough because it's like motivation only
goes so far. Discipline is what sustains,

524
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:01.679
and you've built up enough discipline around
your habits that you're able to just

525
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:05.280
stick with it, just like brushing
your teeth and you know, putting on

526
00:36:05.320 --> 00:36:07.480
close to go out in public.
It's just it's a part of your lifestyle.

527
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.880
And that's the part that I think
is once people can get over that

528
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:15.920
hurdle, they are more in that
like active for life category. If you're

529
00:36:15.920 --> 00:36:20.760
looking at it from a long term
athletic development standpoint, it really does help

530
00:36:21.039 --> 00:36:23.880
to have a lot of accountability in
the beginning. Once it becomes like a

531
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:28.039
habit and it's consistent, people can
be a little bit more like with where

532
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:30.239
you're at, where it's like they
can fall off just a little bit,

533
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:32.320
but it's never truly falling off.
It's just scaling up or scaling down.

534
00:36:32.679 --> 00:36:37.159
So that's cool. I love that
you shared that example. Yeah, it's

535
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.920
like it's kind of like investing in
a four oh one k right, Like

536
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:44.360
when is the best time to invest
is like probably when you were twenty three,

537
00:36:44.920 --> 00:36:47.239
But if you didn't start then,
then next best day would be now,

538
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:51.559
Like, yes, it would have
been awesome if you were lucky enough

539
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:57.119
to be born with two loving parents
that also loved fitness that you knowmate,

540
00:36:57.199 --> 00:37:00.840
it normal and prioritize health eating like
the majority of us did. It come

541
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:06.760
from that environment. So we're picking
up the pieces in our thirties or in

542
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:08.039
our forties and we're like, I
don't know what the hell I'm doing.

543
00:37:09.599 --> 00:37:13.480
I've never been in a gym before. The majority of my food is cooked

544
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:16.159
in a microwave or from a fast
food window, Like where do I even

545
00:37:16.159 --> 00:37:20.440
get started? It's like no problem, Like, yes, it would have

546
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:22.800
been great if we had started a
while back, but we're going to start

547
00:37:22.840 --> 00:37:24.760
here. We're going to put some
of those habits in place. And also

548
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:28.639
as a result of that, like
down the road, this does get a

549
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:30.599
little tiny bit easier, or you
can take your foot off the gas pedal

550
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:35.360
a little bit because of all of
the changes that you're starting to make in

551
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:39.119
the discipline that started to kick in. Absolutely no, and I really love

552
00:37:39.159 --> 00:37:43.960
and I appreciate that for those of
you watching on YouTube, my dog I

553
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:49.000
think I think you heard the Amazon
truck. So it's one of his greatest

554
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:52.719
anxieties in life. One of these
days, I if I go missing,

555
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:55.920
it might be the Amazon driver.
My dog's convinced of it. So I'm

556
00:37:55.920 --> 00:38:00.559
just suiting some of his anxiety.
But you know, to kind of the

557
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:09.599
topic, do you do you see
the do you see things getting better or

558
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:14.880
words or staying the same for the
specific copulation of like nerds and geeks because

559
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:16.800
the people is Livia the show are
you know they're sci fi fants like we're

560
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:20.320
nerds for geeks like and I love
it. I love being who I am.

561
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:24.199
I wouldn't be any other way.
Do you see this population improving their

562
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:30.280
fitness, staying the same or getting
worse? I mean, I think I

563
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:38.039
think improving just because I think there's
there's fitness has been has been made more

564
00:38:39.320 --> 00:38:43.960
egalitarian, right, There's there's so
many more ways for people to get interested.

565
00:38:44.039 --> 00:38:45.599
And back in the day, it
was you had to go to Gold's

566
00:38:45.639 --> 00:38:51.760
gym and you're pump and iron or
you put on your neon spandex and go

567
00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:52.840
to aerobics, and you're like,
if you don't like either of those things,

568
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:55.639
like you're you're kind of out of
luck. Now it's like you can

569
00:38:55.679 --> 00:39:00.679
do live action role playing. You
can go to sweet like killer dance classes.

570
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:04.519
You can go to you know,
like I swing class. You can

571
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.920
go rock climbing, you can go
hiking. There's like an infinite number of

572
00:39:07.920 --> 00:39:13.800
ways for people to get excited about
exercise and find their tribe of people that

573
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:19.599
are like them. Can I just
interrupt you and say that I really appreciated

574
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:22.760
you including LARPing in exercise, because
that's that's the thing that a lot of

575
00:39:22.800 --> 00:39:29.480
people don't really exhausting. Well,
I've never actually like I've never done it,

576
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:31.079
but it actually looks fun. I'm
like, I would go pretended like

577
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:35.639
sleigh dragons. That would be so
cool. I've just I haven't stepped into

578
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:39.199
that yet. Might be LARPing as
an astronaut with NASA soon. Who knows,

579
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:43.960
well that'll be. That's a whole
separate topic. But I appreciate you

580
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:47.639
saying that because exercise doesn't have to
be nineteen seventies Gold's gym. It can

581
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:52.719
be activities that you actually at joy. Yeah, your heart doesn't have eyes,

582
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.920
it doesn't know what you're doing,
and it's like, oh, this

583
00:39:57.039 --> 00:40:01.039
exercise up. You're only running and
that's not going to do it. Who

584
00:40:01.039 --> 00:40:05.679
cares. Your muscles respond to stimuli, your heart response and needing to beat

585
00:40:05.719 --> 00:40:07.920
faster, like literally anything that gets
you off the couch. It could be

586
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:14.199
beat saber in VR in a VR
headset like you could do I've seen people

587
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:17.960
like sweating bullets after doing VR workouts. That's awesome. Like, if that's

588
00:40:19.000 --> 00:40:22.920
what works for you, that's amazing. I think the challenge or the thing

589
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:27.880
that I want people to understand is
like exercise is actually like a pretty terrible

590
00:40:27.920 --> 00:40:31.079
tool for weight loss. Exercise is
great for heart health, lung health,

591
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:37.280
mental health, building muscle, changing
your physiology. It's your nutrition and calories

592
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:39.920
consume that it's going to adjust the
number that you see on the scale.

593
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:45.360
So I think there's a lot of
frustration with people who pick a workout routine

594
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:49.280
that they don't like with the goal
of losing weight, and they go to

595
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:52.360
the boot camp class or with some
guy yelling motivational platitudes at them, which

596
00:40:52.719 --> 00:40:55.320
again you couldn't you couldn't pay me
to go to one of those classes.

597
00:40:57.320 --> 00:40:59.639
But they're like, this is miserable. And then they step on the scale

598
00:40:59.639 --> 00:41:02.360
and they're like like, well,
you know, I'm broken, my metabolism

599
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:05.519
must be broken. It's like no, no, no, no, like

600
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:07.719
we're just playing on the wrong scorecard
here, Like we need to get we

601
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:10.599
need to focus on the right thing. So for you, it's what actually

602
00:41:10.639 --> 00:41:15.280
gets you up and moving. And
then it's like we should probably maybe go

603
00:41:15.320 --> 00:41:21.400
to some therapy and start working on
a relationship with food and identifying where we

604
00:41:21.440 --> 00:41:24.159
can maybe start to cut back on
some liquid calories or some other things.

605
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:30.119
So I'm bring this all back around
to like where are we going. I

606
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:34.000
think nerds are gonna be I think
nerds are going to be fine. I

607
00:41:34.039 --> 00:41:37.599
am an eternal optimist. I'm also
a techno optimist. I think like society

608
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:43.280
as a whole, Yes, the
trends have continued to get worse. But

609
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:47.920
I'm a wary of trends. I'm
also really wary of making elaborate predictions.

610
00:41:47.960 --> 00:41:52.079
I was doing research for this podcast. I found this thing was like in

611
00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:58.960
the eighteen nineties, it's like the
Times of London said that all like they

612
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:01.079
expected that the city he was going
to be buried under nine feet of horse

613
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:06.880
manure because of how many people would
be on horses and bye by like you

614
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:10.119
know, the following middle of by
nineteen fifty and then they invented a car

615
00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:13.639
and they're like, oh wait a
second, never mind, horses are out

616
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:17.679
the window. You know. Wilver
Wright said something like I'm man will never

617
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:22.199
fly in five hundred years or a
thousand years, and then three years later

618
00:42:22.320 --> 00:42:25.159
he flew an airplane. So we
have a tendency to take where we're going

619
00:42:25.199 --> 00:42:30.320
now and just extrapolate it out.
But there are these things called black Swan

620
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:34.800
events. They're often negative, but
they can also be positive. You know,

621
00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:37.039
there are people cleaning up the Great
Big garbage patch. They have phound

622
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:43.920
worms that eat plastic, so like, holy crap, that's amazing. And

623
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:46.679
also, you know, we have
tons of clients at NERD Fitness that are

624
00:42:46.719 --> 00:42:52.320
also on GLP one. You know, weight loss drugs like sem auglutide or

625
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:58.159
let's see, I think it's called
like taza zapah. There's so many,

626
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:01.800
there's yeah, yeah, yeah,
any title, zembe, benjamine correct.

627
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:07.239
So like those things are simply a
tool in a toolbox that lots of people

628
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.559
can use. Now. So far, the studies are showing that people that

629
00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:14.440
are on it are losing at least
five percent of their weight, maybe up

630
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:16.280
to twenty. So again, I'm
not a doctor. If anybody wants to

631
00:43:16.280 --> 00:43:20.719
follow a doctor who does talk about
this stuff, his name's doctor Spencer Nadalski.

632
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:24.519
He's a doctor of family medicine and
obesity and he also posts killer memes

633
00:43:24.639 --> 00:43:30.559
on Instagram. He's the man and
just our great dude. But you know,

634
00:43:30.960 --> 00:43:34.159
there are we have clients at NERD
Fitness that have had weight loss surgery.

635
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:38.480
They are on these essentially it's like
appetite suppressant medications, initially for diabetes,

636
00:43:38.519 --> 00:43:43.159
but it's resulting in them not thinking
about food all day long, and

637
00:43:43.199 --> 00:43:45.519
the results are in there losing fifteen, sometimes twenty percent of their body weight

638
00:43:45.559 --> 00:43:50.360
when they stay on this medicine.
I am not gonna say that you should

639
00:43:50.360 --> 00:43:52.320
be on it or you shouldn't be
on it. That's not for me to

640
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:54.199
say. I will say that it
seems like for the people that are on

641
00:43:54.280 --> 00:44:00.760
it, it has been or could
be life changing. So I think this

642
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:05.960
potentially could be an inflection point.
There's also just all these technological advances.

643
00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:13.599
I think science tends to hopefully fix
future problems. So, like I said,

644
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:16.840
I'm a techno optimist, and I
hope that things can turn a corner

645
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:20.920
and we can move in this direction
of getting things better. So I think

646
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:23.400
nerds are going to be okay,
the population as a whole. We both

647
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:29.239
know it's not education. We know
it's not shaming people. It's going to

648
00:44:29.280 --> 00:44:34.639
be it's going to come from environmental
or societal larger, larger adjustments which we

649
00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:38.000
could dive into more too. Yeah. No, it's I love you saying

650
00:44:38.039 --> 00:44:43.639
that because we always end up going
into it for whatever reason. On almost

651
00:44:43.719 --> 00:44:49.719
every episode we mention Uncle Ben,
with great power comes great responsibility. We

652
00:44:49.760 --> 00:44:52.280
need to do reality check Uncle Ben's
shirts because I say that almost every episode

653
00:44:52.320 --> 00:44:55.719
now, and it's like, you
know, when there's when these new technologies

654
00:44:55.719 --> 00:44:59.719
come out, it's up to us
to determine how it's going to be used.

655
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:04.840
Literally every technology on this podcast,
we talk a lot about all sorts

656
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:08.199
of things. You know, it's
like AI the iRobot episode. We're talking

657
00:45:08.239 --> 00:45:13.159
about the awesome things that AI can
give us, and that also some of

658
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:15.400
the potential negative effects. And it's
going to come down to the people.

659
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:19.039
It's AI is not the problem.
It's going to come down to the people

660
00:45:19.920 --> 00:45:23.559
drug developers. It's going to come
down to them making sure that there's policies,

661
00:45:24.239 --> 00:45:28.440
medical professionals are educated, and then
making sure that these things are getting

662
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:31.159
distributed in a way that's actually going
to help people. So the technologies,

663
00:45:31.199 --> 00:45:36.719
I think can always be helpful,
but with the great power comes great responsibility.

664
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:39.400
And it's so exciting to see Like
you mentioned, what was that point

665
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:45.280
called the with the black Swan effect. Oh yeah, black blacks ones were

666
00:45:45.360 --> 00:45:49.639
like by definition, you can't see
them coming, right, It's like the

667
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:52.639
two thousand and eight financial crash or
the war in Russia, you know,

668
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:58.719
or like negative black swans. But
also like just this is a random example,

669
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:04.599
but Nvidia had made all of these
graphics cards to essentially flood the market

670
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.079
for cryptocurrency miners. So they make
all of these and then all of a

671
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:10.800
sudden, the price of crypto plummets. They're like they're they like literally right

672
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:15.000
off the value of these of these
graphics cards. They're like, oh,

673
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:19.719
we're not we don't nobody's buying them. They're too expensive, they're not optimized

674
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.440
for the right thing. And then
somebody figured out, like, wait a

675
00:46:22.480 --> 00:46:24.920
second, we can use these graphic
cards for artificial intelligence. Like, oh,

676
00:46:24.960 --> 00:46:30.000
that's interesting, okay, And since
then I think video is up.

677
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:35.039
Like I don't know, kids,
I have hundreds of percents so far this

678
00:46:35.159 --> 00:46:37.840
year because of the thing that they
wrote off, Like they didn't necessarily see

679
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:42.599
that coming. Somebody did, and
you know, so like there might be

680
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:45.800
people that have, but like you
can't predict what these things might be.

681
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:52.000
These weight loss drugs were designed for
diabetes and as a as a side effect,

682
00:46:52.360 --> 00:46:58.519
it had an a weight loss suppress
it effect. What's what's funny is

683
00:46:58.519 --> 00:47:00.559
actually there was I think it was
I want to say JP Morgan or one

684
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:02.719
of the one of the big banks
put out a report that said, like,

685
00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:07.440
these are all of the industries that
will be negatively impacted by all these

686
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:09.840
weight loss drugs, and it was
like, you know, the Freedom Lay

687
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:14.840
and Coca Cola, and like,
these companies might be negatively impacted because people

688
00:47:14.880 --> 00:47:19.679
are going to consume fewer calories from
those sources. And like in the short

689
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:22.920
term, it might affect quote unquote
capitalism. At the same time, it

690
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:28.239
might save people's lives and allow them
to live ten years longer or to live

691
00:47:28.519 --> 00:47:30.559
healthier, happier, and they can
travel more and they can they'll have to

692
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:35.559
buy new clothes, so like because
they're now going to fit into different size

693
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:37.239
things. So like, it's so
there's so many like knock on or second

694
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:42.800
order, third, fourth, fifth
order effects that we can't predict. And

695
00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:49.199
again, not an expert, just
a a fan of waxing philosophy, philosophical

696
00:47:49.280 --> 00:47:52.400
about this stuff, but we can't
predict what's going to happen. I'm just

697
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:57.039
of the mindset that we figured out
quite a bit before as humans, and

698
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:00.280
I hope that we can continue to
do so. And this is an area

699
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:06.559
specifically helping humans develop a healthier relationship
with food moving forward. I hope that's

700
00:48:06.559 --> 00:48:12.119
something that this technology and you know, government policy and stuff can like actually

701
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:22.079
impact change reality check. Sure,
well not to your horn for you,

702
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:25.119
but you know, people like you
making a difference too, making it accessible,

703
00:48:25.719 --> 00:48:30.159
like truely, like making it a
space where everybody can feel like they

704
00:48:30.159 --> 00:48:32.679
belong. I was the kid who
I truly this is a true story.

705
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:37.760
I would ask the teacher if I
could stay inside from a recess and organize

706
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:40.679
books instead of going out, And
I was really neat instead of going outside

707
00:48:40.960 --> 00:48:45.920
because the other kids were more specifically
fit than me. Like I was almost

708
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.239
my full height by the time I
was in sixth grade, but I had

709
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:52.880
like zero muscle tones, so I
was a gangly child, and I was

710
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:57.039
so scared of going out to just
play in recess as an elementary school kid

711
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:00.559
that I just opted out completely.
Uh you know, big shout out to

712
00:49:00.599 --> 00:49:06.840
my middle school physical fitness teachers,
Miss Posey and Miss Pays who changed it

713
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:09.159
for me and made it accessible.
So yeah, it comes down to the

714
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:14.920
drug developers, the policy makers,
but it's also the people on a smaller

715
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.360
scale, like like your business in
like middle school and high school teachers,

716
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:24.000
parents, friends, who can impact
monumental amounts of change to people. Because

717
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:30.360
if we can create a society where
we are supporting each other's activity levels and

718
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:34.639
helping people of every size, every
and it's like it's not just people who

719
00:49:34.639 --> 00:49:37.199
are overweight. It can also be
people who are underweight, like I was

720
00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:39.519
who felt awkward in a gym because
I was like, I look silly.

721
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:45.360
I felt like goofy. I felt
like a gangly creature. So it's like

722
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:49.280
it's creating those places where everyone could
feel like this is for them, And

723
00:49:49.360 --> 00:49:52.760
I love that, Like I love
that. I love that the culture is

724
00:49:52.840 --> 00:49:58.280
changing, and I appreciate how you're
talking about the It's not all bad.

725
00:49:58.320 --> 00:50:04.679
It's not just a trajectory straight into
the people of Wally. Sure. We

726
00:50:04.760 --> 00:50:09.280
don't know where it could go,
we don't. I think, like I

727
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:15.199
said, I have hope, and
rebellions are built on hope, as we

728
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:20.239
learned from Rogue one, So Nerd, I just sneak that in there.

729
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:27.039
I just I don't know. I've
I've just been I've been wrong so many

730
00:50:27.039 --> 00:50:31.239
times that like I'm just done trying
to be right and instead just like expecting

731
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:38.599
to be surprised or in awe or
to have my mind exploded at what comes

732
00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:43.280
out of something and just like preparing
for that. Yeah, I read reference

733
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:45.119
Black Swans. You know, it's
a concept from the scene to lab.

734
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:50.440
He also has a great book called
Anti fragile. And it's this idea that

735
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:54.920
we as humans or this this this
concept instead of like the opposite of fragile

736
00:50:55.119 --> 00:51:02.840
isn't robust. It's like the things
that gain from disorder. So you know,

737
00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:07.000
I'll try to simplify this to really
easily, but like if you want

738
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:13.320
to exercise, when you break down
your muscle, your muscle then rebuilds itself

739
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:17.079
stronger. And that's like a slightly
oversimplification of it, but it's like introducing

740
00:51:17.280 --> 00:51:22.760
disorder to your life. Vaccines another
example of like introducing a small version of

741
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:27.719
the virus so that your body overcompensates
and gets stronger as a result, and

742
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:31.039
that is vaccinated from that experience or
whatever it may be. So I love

743
00:51:31.079 --> 00:51:36.480
this idea of like, hey,
we can't predict what the next black swand

744
00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:39.360
will be. All we can do
is like try to develop ourselves as antifragile.

745
00:51:39.400 --> 00:51:43.800
I know you talked about this on
your episode in the Dune podcast,

746
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:49.480
but like you know, diversity,
genetic diversity, exercise, eating a diverse

747
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:53.800
eating a diverse nutritional palate, eating
or working out in diverse ways so that

748
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:59.000
your muscles are challenged in different ways, like prepare yourself for the chaos because

749
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:01.760
life is hey as so like,
if we can just do that, then

750
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:05.440
when the chaos shows up, we're
not surprised. We're like, hey,

751
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:07.280
come on in front, doors open, have a seat on the couch,

752
00:52:07.360 --> 00:52:09.960
chaos, and let's you know,
we're just going to figure out where to

753
00:52:09.960 --> 00:52:14.679
go from here. So optimistic,
not that things are going to always get

754
00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:20.840
better, but optimistic that humans as
a species, due to our diverse the

755
00:52:20.840 --> 00:52:25.079
way our brains work and our bodies
work, and different countries and communities and

756
00:52:25.119 --> 00:52:29.920
companies doing all different things, like
what we're going to be able to accomplish

757
00:52:29.960 --> 00:52:31.079
and how we're going to be able
to solve some of these problems I think

758
00:52:31.119 --> 00:52:34.800
will surprise us. It will come
from somewhere that we're least expecting. It

759
00:52:35.800 --> 00:52:39.239
absolutely that just I don't know.
I actually literally have goosebones right now.

760
00:52:39.239 --> 00:52:44.320
Because that's one of the things that
I've loved the most about this podcast is

761
00:52:44.400 --> 00:52:47.800
discovering just the deep layers of optimism
with all the different professionals and experts that

762
00:52:47.840 --> 00:52:52.199
I've been talking to and they're like, yeah, there's some really really cool

763
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:55.079
things happening for humanity in the future. And if you look at because it's

764
00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:59.039
like you know, people like to
make the anecdotal reference. It's like,

765
00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:01.880
oh, you know back in the
day, you know, people didn't have

766
00:53:01.880 --> 00:53:06.320
as much depression, or people didn't
have weight problems. It's like, yeah,

767
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:09.280
but they had a lifespan of living
to sixty and you know, way

768
00:53:09.280 --> 00:53:13.199
back in the day. It's like
plenty of other problems too, right,

769
00:53:13.320 --> 00:53:16.519
right, And it's like I see
humanity trending better in every way possible.

770
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:23.000
And just because our generation is faced
with certain problems, specifically with mental health,

771
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:27.639
physical health, and you know,
other various things, it's like,

772
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:35.480
as a global population, we are
trending upwards. Like hunger worldwide is down.

773
00:53:35.880 --> 00:53:40.199
That's amazing, Disease worldwide is down. That's amazing. Like even poor

774
00:53:40.239 --> 00:53:45.480
people in America can have basic access
to things like cell phones, internets.

775
00:53:46.239 --> 00:53:50.880
It's like, as a whole,
humanity is always getting better. And that

776
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:57.559
just makes me so happy. So
before I ask you our reality check question,

777
00:53:57.639 --> 00:54:00.360
I kind of want to just give
you some space to talk about anything

778
00:54:00.360 --> 00:54:04.039
else that you had maybe thought of
during our discussion or you had wanted to

779
00:54:04.079 --> 00:54:10.519
say. Honestly, I just I
just really enjoyed, I really enjoyed havving

780
00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:14.079
this conversation, and you know,
I hope, I hope people take it

781
00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:16.679
from the perspective of, you know, it's really easy to see things on

782
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:21.039
the Internet, or to interact with
people on the Internet and just assume the

783
00:54:21.119 --> 00:54:23.280
worst. So I appreciate that we're
able to have the conversation from the place

784
00:54:23.360 --> 00:54:30.840
of like, we're both trying to
help people and entertain and to take from

785
00:54:30.840 --> 00:54:36.440
this what is most helpful to them. So I think it's really easy to

786
00:54:36.519 --> 00:54:42.280
look at Wally, especially if you've
been unundated with or inundated with like toxic

787
00:54:42.559 --> 00:54:45.320
diet culture on the internet, and
then see Wally and say like, this

788
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:52.840
is this is garbage. Pixar is
shaming fat people, And I think I

789
00:54:52.840 --> 00:54:57.559
hope that this can encourage people to
look at one level deeper and say,

790
00:54:57.599 --> 00:55:01.119
like, that's not necessarily what Pixar
is doing here. Instead is pointing out

791
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:07.280
just how important our environments are to
who we are as people. Like I

792
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:14.639
said, it's not a moral failing. Of course, technology has accelerated or

793
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:17.719
reduced the friction for us from some
bad habits. It's also made other things

794
00:55:17.840 --> 00:55:23.920
unbelievably great. So I think Wally
just perfectly shows, you know, we

795
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:29.760
are products of our environment. We
are creatures of habit There are so many

796
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:35.239
environmental factors that willpower alone is not
going to be able to fix if people

797
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:38.599
are like just put down the fork, like that's so unhelpful and it doesn't

798
00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:44.599
work. Again, you talked about
doctors who are doctors of metabolic disease,

799
00:55:44.639 --> 00:55:49.639
who are suffering from that very condition, not because they are a moral failure,

800
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:54.400
but because there is some aspect of
modern life and biology that is I

801
00:55:54.440 --> 00:55:59.000
mean, seventy percent of America I
think is overweight at this point. I

802
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:05.039
imagine it's sim in some other Western
countries. So it's it is a it's

803
00:56:05.079 --> 00:56:07.679
a disease that people are working on, and it seems like we're starting to

804
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:12.400
find some things that could maybe help
bring it all together or help help turn

805
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:15.320
that corner rather and it's it's kind
of cute to think about it in a

806
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:20.559
motivation and environmental sense, because my
my favorite scene in the whole movie is

807
00:56:20.840 --> 00:56:22.840
when the captain like goes to stand
up for the first time he gets out

808
00:56:22.880 --> 00:56:25.480
of his chair. It's like thousand
and one space audience. Some music comes

809
00:56:25.519 --> 00:56:30.280
on, Yeah, and it's like
it's so cute because it's like and I

810
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:34.159
think one thing that it's highlighting because
it's like they there's that point where it's

811
00:56:34.159 --> 00:56:37.400
like they're showing all the different Captains
posters on the wall. It's like they

812
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:40.079
start off like looking like like modern
day people, and they keep getting bigger

813
00:56:40.079 --> 00:56:45.480
and bigger and bigger until we reach
our modern day Captain and it's like it

814
00:56:45.679 --> 00:56:49.920
I think what these people were experiencing
was a complete loss of motivation in an

815
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:54.480
environment totally conducive to that that lifestyle
that was not helpful to them. And

816
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:58.519
as soon as these humans realize they
like, we can go back to Earth,

817
00:56:58.559 --> 00:57:01.280
we could rebuild, Like it was
like that motivation it turned on.

818
00:57:01.400 --> 00:57:06.199
It flipped their life around. And
I think for some people who are struggling,

819
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:08.800
like maybe a major life changes in
order. Maybe you need to move,

820
00:57:09.039 --> 00:57:12.719
maybe you need to maybe you need
a new job, like maybe you

821
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:17.679
need that major change that will inspire
you to become that best version of yourself

822
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:22.920
again. Yeah, and I think
just kindness goes such a long way.

823
00:57:22.920 --> 00:57:27.039
It's really where we're we are our
worst critics, and it's really easy to

824
00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:30.800
beat ourselves up and say I can't
believe I ate that entire pint of ice

825
00:57:30.840 --> 00:57:35.400
cream. Like you're not alone.
That doesn't make you a bad person.

826
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:37.880
These are things that we can work
on. I will again say it,

827
00:57:38.199 --> 00:57:43.880
I'm a huge fan of therapy and
encouraging people to to go to therapy.

828
00:57:44.119 --> 00:57:47.159
I hope that if, if if
you have health insurance, if you're fortunate

829
00:57:47.280 --> 00:57:51.239
enough to have health insurance, reaching
out to them and finding out if you

830
00:57:51.280 --> 00:57:55.960
can get go to therapy through we're
through your health insurance. I think something

831
00:57:57.000 --> 00:57:59.480
I would you know, we talked
about all this stuff and what I hope

832
00:57:59.559 --> 00:58:07.440
changes can exists. I hope that
the medical industry can continue to move towards

833
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:15.880
prevention rather than treatment, so allowing
people to spend their insurance money on whether

834
00:58:15.920 --> 00:58:21.599
it's gym memberships or working with a
registered dietitian, like really really going out

835
00:58:21.599 --> 00:58:24.360
of their way as companies to do
that, because you know, studies are

836
00:58:24.400 --> 00:58:28.760
in like when people are healthier and
happier, like they miss fewer days of

837
00:58:28.800 --> 00:58:31.599
work, they are more positive members
and contribute to society more like all of

838
00:58:31.599 --> 00:58:36.639
these things are like a net positive
for society and they're most creative too,

839
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:39.519
sure, and we just have this
to you know, the scorecard for that

840
00:58:39.599 --> 00:58:45.599
industry is backwards, where it's let
people, you know, get sick or

841
00:58:45.159 --> 00:58:49.480
to a place where they can't take
care of themselves and then lead them dry

842
00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:53.920
with taking the money to support or
deal with the symptoms. At that point,

843
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:58.840
I hope that we can continue to
move in this other direction of a

844
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:00.760
like this is actually going to be
really really good. You know. It's

845
00:59:00.800 --> 00:59:05.880
easy to say, like, you
know, to be pie in the sky

846
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:08.400
and overly moral and say like,
oh everybody should just you know, it's

847
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:12.639
I want to combine that with reality
of like, no, this is actually

848
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:17.119
really good policymakers and companies and things
like having healthier, happier people is like,

849
00:59:17.199 --> 00:59:22.079
really, that's also really good business. It's not just treating the sick

850
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:25.360
or treating the people after they've had
to you know, they've developed heart disease

851
00:59:25.440 --> 00:59:28.880
or whatever it may be. No, I love it. I love it.

852
00:59:29.400 --> 00:59:31.559
This has actually been such a positive
conversation and that makes my day because

853
00:59:31.599 --> 00:59:36.559
this is something that could easily have
been like doom and gloom, and I

854
00:59:36.679 --> 00:59:39.360
just like, I love your energy
and the positive light that you brought to

855
00:59:39.400 --> 00:59:43.840
this. So I think our answer
is kind of obvious. If you guys

856
00:59:43.840 --> 00:59:46.280
want to leave what you think our
score is going to be in the comments

857
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:51.280
before Steve answers, We'll see if
you're right. So I actually just had

858
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:53.840
to look this up because I'm changing
our question slightly, So Steve, So

859
00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:58.000
Wally took so it came out in
two thousand and eight, but it took

860
00:59:58.039 --> 01:00:02.639
place in twenty eight oh five.
So do you think by twenty eight oh

861
01:00:02.719 --> 01:00:08.079
five we will all be living on
the Axiom Space Hotel, which actually the

862
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:13.960
Space Hotel is going to happen,
and we will all be like the people

863
01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:17.599
of Wally. Where would you give
that a score on our reality check scale

864
01:00:17.639 --> 01:00:22.119
one to five? Yeah, I
think, I mean this is going to

865
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:24.280
be like, oh what a what
a what a middle of the road.

866
01:00:24.400 --> 01:00:28.679
But I was gonna say like something
like a like between like a two and

867
01:00:28.719 --> 01:00:32.920
a three, where like I just
don't see us duh, I'll say maybe

868
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:37.719
like a three. Okay, I'll
not saying no that like, hey,

869
01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:40.559
it's very possible that like something happens
and humans have to get on spaceships and

870
01:00:40.599 --> 01:00:45.760
go populate, like you know,
go live on spaceships like in the Expanse

871
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:49.280
or whatever it may be. And
I realized there are companies working on this

872
01:00:49.360 --> 01:00:55.800
stuff, so it's not impossible.
But I don't think like it's it's it's

873
01:00:55.800 --> 01:00:59.320
either that or it's like things are
just going to be like this and be

874
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:01.320
like oh that was normal, Like
we'll just be on iPhone. We'll be

875
01:01:01.360 --> 01:01:07.079
in our iPhone eight hundred and twenty
sevens. You know, probably still still

876
01:01:07.079 --> 01:01:10.199
posting memes on Instagram being like oh
it was silly. Yeah, So I'm

877
01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:13.960
gonna say like three, like I
finds to the movie, I was like,

878
01:01:14.440 --> 01:01:20.039
I could see it. But I
also think that technology and society and

879
01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:23.960
there will be people that will impact
things positively so that things don't get to

880
01:01:24.000 --> 01:01:28.119
a point of no return. I
love it. Oh that makes me so

881
01:01:28.159 --> 01:01:30.880
happy. And it does. We
see positive changes all the time. The

882
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:36.079
silkworms, we're fixing, the ozone, we're rebuilding the ice caps. They

883
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:38.519
have machines that are rebuilding the ice
caps. It's like humans are amazing.

884
01:01:38.559 --> 01:01:42.719
So if you are somebody who's working
in STEM and you are part of these

885
01:01:42.800 --> 01:01:49.400
changes, good on you. You
have my biggest high five. Yeah.

886
01:01:49.519 --> 01:01:52.079
So, Steve, are there any
fun projects that you're working on that you

887
01:01:52.079 --> 01:01:54.800
want to share with us? Where
can people find you and if they're interested

888
01:01:54.840 --> 01:02:00.000
in signing up to work with you
where where can they hear more about you?

889
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:05.000
Totally? So I am a writer
by well, i'd say by trade,

890
01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:09.360
but I love writing, and I
send out a weekly newsletter at nerd

891
01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:14.360
Fitness. You just sign up for
the newsletter at the every Monday. It's

892
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:19.360
a weird thought from my brain directly
into yours or into your inbox. Love

893
01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:22.760
love to do that. And then
the team at nerd Fitness sends out emails

894
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:27.559
on Wednesdays and Wednesdays and Fridays.
So love that. I just love writing.

895
01:02:27.599 --> 01:02:30.920
That's how I build nerd fitnesses.
I put my head down and wrote

896
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:35.639
like a thousand articles over five years
or eight years or just like just just

897
01:02:35.920 --> 01:02:39.320
every day just writing. So I
am working on a super secret project that

898
01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:45.760
may or may not be bookshaped that
I can't talk about quite yet. So

899
01:02:45.440 --> 01:02:50.280
yeah, I just And then I
also I write a really fun, just

900
01:02:50.639 --> 01:02:53.320
nerdy newsletter at stevecam dot com too, which is just like I've nerd out

901
01:02:53.320 --> 01:02:57.360
about random stuff that has nothing to
do with help and fitness generally. So

902
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:00.800
generally you'll find me on the internet. You can me up on Instagram nerd

903
01:03:00.800 --> 01:03:04.800
Fitness. If you're looking for a
coach, we have a team of amazing

904
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:09.280
coaches that are nerdier than I could
ever be, and also look really really

905
01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:13.559
good at this stuff. So if
you're looking for help from the comfort of

906
01:03:13.599 --> 01:03:16.199
your home and want to have a
nerd Fitness coach in your pocket, check

907
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:20.079
it out. It's all available at
nerd fitness dot com. Oh, I

908
01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:22.840
love it so much, Steve.
Thank you so much, so let me

909
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:25.039
know in the comments if you guys
agree or disagree with his score, and

910
01:03:25.119 --> 01:03:30.280
if you would have added anything to
this conversation, please let us know.

911
01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:34.360
We are very interested to hear your
thoughts. Until next time, everybody,

912
01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:37.960
thank you so much for listening to
your reality check. Reality Check