S4E12: How To Break Unhealthy Generational Patterns and Cycles

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Welcome to Head to Heart
Podcast.

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I'm your host, Jenny Markham.
This biweekly podcast is created

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to be a safe space to admit what
we truly believe in.

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Our hearts and many of us, when
we take the time to truly

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examine ourselves, will find
some sort of shame, fear or lies

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hiding in there.
And it is never God's will for

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us to stay in bondage to those.
It's His truth that sets us free

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from them.
But there's a huge difference

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between having biblical
knowledge floating around in

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our.
Heads, and actually believing

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that it's true.
Until God's truth makes its way

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into our hearts, nothing
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We'll be doing a mix of solo
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friends who have experienced the
freedom that comes when head

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knowledge becomes heart
knowledge.

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where you will have a chance to

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respond to what God is inviting
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At the end of each episode, the
truth will set you free so you

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can walk every day in the
freedom God desires for you.

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It's time to let go of shame,
fear, and lies.

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Those aren't yours to carry.
Thanks for joining us.

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Welcome back to Head to Heart
Podcast.

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I'm your host Jenny Markham.
Today is a very special episode.

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I am bringing one of my friends,
Madeline and I almost said

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you're oh geez, I almost said
you're maiden name.

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Yes.
But Madeline, did I say that

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right?
Yes, that's correct.

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So Madeline, why don't you take
a minute, introduce yourself,

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who you are, what you're doing
currently, fun facts, your

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family, anything like that.
Yeah, sure.

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Thank you so much, Jenny, for
having me.

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I really, really appreciate it.
It's so fun to see you creating

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this podcast and don't having
people join.

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So thank you so much.
Yeah, it's my joy to have you.

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Awesome.
Yeah, well, my name is Madeline

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Pena, as you said, and I am a
mother to a 20 month old and a

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seven month old Judah and
Arabella.

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And I have my lovely husband
Marcos.

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He yeah him and I have been
married for about 3 1/2 years

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now and currently I am a stay at
home mom.

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I have been since my son was
born, but I.

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Exploring new territory and
getting back into kind of

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marketing.
And I've actually just now

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started working it with the
children's ministry, which I'm

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so excited about to help other
parents.

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And then, yeah, I've just been
dabbling about on social media

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and just getting content out
there to help other parents.

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So yeah, it's been really
exciting, really fun.

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One fun fact is that I've
actually lived in Papua New

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Guinea and it is, you know, one
of the most remote, isolated

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places on Earth.
So it was very amazing.

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Wow.
And how long did you live there?

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Yeah, about three months.
That's insane.

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Did you feel isolated when you
were living there?

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I did.
I definitely did.

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It feels like you're like
literally back 1000 years.

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Like that's how.
Absolutely different it is

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compared to America.
Well, I was like more than just

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island feel.
It's like you are cut off from

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any mainland.
Yes, yes.

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I remember not having cell phone
service and you know, not being

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connected to the outside world
hardly at all.

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Wow, okay.
So Madeline, the $1,000,000

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question.
Here it is.

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What have you been set free
from?

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Yes, I would say it's worth more
than a million.

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Praise God for all he has done.
It is just like a huge slew of

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things, so.
So as far as the things that

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I've been set free from, I would
say starting just off the top of

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my head, definitely mental
health issues.

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So I've overcome an eating
disorder, addiction, anxiety,

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depression, and yeah, it's just
been a lot self harm and then

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some of the.
The things I'm still overcoming

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are like codependency, people
pleasing, perfectionism.

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But yeah, I grew up in a very
abusive world, very abusive

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household, and it just created a
lot of issues in my life.

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Everything is all glory to God.
He has set me free from all of

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this.
So I would say that it kind of

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started.
My my healing journey started

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simultaneously with my spiritual
walk with Jesus.

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So when I was totally, radically
saved by Jesus, I was just in in

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very much despair.
I was very depressed.

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I was addicted to a lot of
substances.

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I was incredibly promiscuous and
just really was super alone.

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So when Jesus saved me from
that, I knew that I could no

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longer turn to those things to
numb out the pain of the sexual

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abuse and the physical abuse and
emotional abuse that I've

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experienced.
So it's kind of in this weird in

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between of.
OK, so I can't numb anymore with

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these things, but I am still
super broken.

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Jesus really took me on a
journey of being very, very

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humble.
So I I humbled myself in order

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to be discipled and I definitely
turned to professionals for

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help.
So my first therapist that I

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ever had was just absolutely
amazing, and I'm so thankful

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that I had her during that
season of my life because it was

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really dark.
I know a lot of Christians when

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they first become believers, it
can be like this really happy

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experience.
And it was, there was a lot of

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joy to be found.
But it was also incredibly dark

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and scary because all of my
demons were coming out, you

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know, they weren't they weren't
being soothed anymore.

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I wasn't being pacified by
anything.

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And I really had to come to
terms with everything that had

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happened to me and.
What I'd chosen to to numb

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myself with, say, you know,
after I was wrestling with the

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Lord and wrestling with myself
on, no longer turning to my

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addictions, there was still all
these things coming up.

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So I still was pacifying myself
as a Christian.

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I could no longer go back to
those things, right, Because

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that is like blatant sin.
But then it was easier to kind

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of.
Fly into the radar and feel like

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I wasn't doing anything wrong
by, you know, using eating

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disorder and then once I got out
of treatment for that, then self

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harm.
So it's kind of just been like

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this long journey of not
addiction hopping as they say,

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but actually healing the root
cause of the problem, you know,

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And I I believe only Jesus can
do that.

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And that's definitely something
that I want to start being able

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to portray.
Is just kind of the idea of

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where Jesus meets mental the
mental health world and therapy

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and everything.
So that's definitely something I

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am trying to work on well.
And so praise God, you are

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absolutely right.
And now you are a mother of two.

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And so, so much of what you're
sharing on social media and then

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working through currently is how
do you not?

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Carry the past things that
you've dealt with onto the way

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that you parent your kids.
And so I would just love if you

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would define what you think
cycle breaking is and then re

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parenting I think that.
If.

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Anyone follows any parenting
account on social media

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nowadays?
They've probably heard one of

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those two terms, so would you
just define what they are for

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us?
Yeah, the way I would define

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cycle breaking and this is just
kind of like from my own.

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My own words, but I would say
that it is consciously deciding

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to not pass down generational
trauma to your children.

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Yeah.
And would you say the same for

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reparenting or are those like
two different things kind of go

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along together?
Yeah, they definitely go along

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together, but they they aren't
the same.

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Well, let's say with
reparenting, that is a way of

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breaking the cycle, right?
So when we reparent ourselves.

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It's first we're becoming aware
and conscious of our inner child

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and then identifying, you know,
our inner child's wounds and

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parenting her in a new way.
So cycle breaking is where

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you're parenting your children
in a new way.

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So kind.
It goes hand in hand for sure.

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But yeah, slightly different.
Slightly different.

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Yeah, this.
Reminds me so much.

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Of just.
Generational patterns, like

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that's the term that I know in
my head.

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And then I feel like cycle
breaking is the same exact

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thing, just with a different
name on it.

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Yeah, I would definitely say so.
Well, you said you said

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generational patterns.
Yeah, I think cycle breaking is

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taking it one step further of
actually breaking the patterns,

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right.
So, yeah, identifying and then

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breaking it is so, so important.
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And I would just add to the
reparenting that you know.

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When we're parenting ourselves
in a new way, our inner child,

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we are repairing hurts and
healing.

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And actually it's really
interesting because one of the

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best books on this subject is
The Body Keeps the Score.

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Yes, I've read that.
Such a good, have you?

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Yes it is, and it's such a big
it's such a big one, but for

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great reason.
So that's that's definitely a

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great resource for anyone.
But yeah, so as you would know

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Jenny, then it you know it
addresses how our trauma is

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forever stored in our body.
So that's kind of the the idea

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behind re parenting.
It's like the traumas there,

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even if our minds have forgotten
or our minds have numbed it out,

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that doesn't mean that our body
won't remember, you know.

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Yeah, so.
When we're re parenting, we are

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acknowledging that trapped
trauma, basically.

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So we're talking about this in
context of you parenting your

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two children, and this obviously
does apply to all parents, but

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would you say it's just for
parents or do you think it

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applies to anyone else?
Yeah, yeah.

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I think that this can definitely
apply to anyone listening

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because.
Even if you don't plan on

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becoming a parent, this is still
important for you and for your

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inner child.
If you feel like there's pieces

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missing for your inner child and
then it's just it's important

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for for the world.
I mean, when you're more whole

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and you're healed, you can
better anyone around you, You

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know what I mean?
So this, this can definitely

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help anyone.
But you know, even as a single

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person, I was working on this
stuff and I didn't.

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Know that it was going to be
benefiting my children so much,

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but I'm so thankful I started
the work when I did because

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gosh, that was six, was it six
years ago, Seven years ago.

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So I mean it's it's and I'm not
anywhere close to being, you

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know, perfect.
So yeah, it takes a long time

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and so really anyone can start
at any time and you will not be

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sorry for starting.
That's such a hopeful message,

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like there's hope for everyone.
Yes, totally, totally.

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And I would just say, you know,
it's a, it's an incredibly

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important and especially
important for parents because

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you're not only breaking your
own trauma cycles, but then

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you're not passing that down to
your children.

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So it's it's kind of, you know,
multiplies in that way.

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Yeah.
And so if someone's listening

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and they're like, OK, well, how
do I know if I need to break

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some cycles in my own life?
What are some signs that would

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show them there is some cycle
breaking to be done?

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Yeah, definitely.
So like a little bit of my story

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and then I'll touch on some
other things too.

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So a little bit of my story is,
you know, obvious.

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There's the obvious things for
anyone listening.

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So if you have any type of
addiction, so addiction can even

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be addicted to screens, to
social media.

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You don't have to be a heroin
addict to have an addiction, you

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know?
So anything that you or numb

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that ultimately isn't.
Resourcing yourself or

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resourcing Jesus, you know, as
an addiction, basically.

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And you know, even if you're
promiscuous, that can be, you

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know, a big one.
Attention seeking.

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Then there's codependency
perfectionism.

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People pleasing.
And then if you've noticed, like

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you said, Jenny, the
generational patterns or

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generational trauma, if you've
noticed that that's a pretty

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good indication like, oh hey, my
great grandfather and great,

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great grandfather, everyone in
my family has had, you know,

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alcohol in their family, that's,
you know, alcohol addiction in

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their.
Lives.

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That's a good indication that
you know, there's some

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generational trauma.
And then if you've ever gotten a

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mental health diagnosis.
So I would, I would argue that

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that, you know, is always linked
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But I could be wrong.
But in my experience and what

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I've learned and what I've heard
other, you know, therapists talk

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about, it's it's usually linked
to trauma.

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Yeah.
And if we're looking at our.

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You know, family and
grandparents, great

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grandparents, whatever.
And we see some patterns in

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there.
So we think, OK, I need to start

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cycle breaking.
What are some small steps that

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listeners can take to then
correct those negative cycles?

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Yeah, it's so good.
I would say first and foremost.

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Look at your relationship with
Jesus.

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Speak him.
If you don't know him, he is the

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ultimate resource.
But if you are a Christ

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follower, then definitely reach
out to your community.

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Don't be silent about it.
Reach out for support.

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So that could be like a mental
health professional or even if

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you have like a mentor.
Ask for prayer.

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Small group, leader, pastor,
anyone you can reach out to.

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Just start talking about it.
It can be so easy to feel

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silenced, especially when we're
talking about, you know, we're

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talking about generational
trauma or trauma in general.

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There's always, pretty much
always shame attached, you know

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what I mean?
So it can be hard to talk about.

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But doing that and making sure
that whoever you're talking to

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is a safe person, that is really
important.

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Like.
If they've proven themselves to

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be safe because you don't wanna
over share to someone who you're

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not sure is safe because that
can be pretty damaging.

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And then yeah, doing something
artistic like I know for me

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going through some of my really
dark times like poetry,

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journaling can help a lot.
If you write music, music can

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help.
All the arts I think are super

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healing.
So just kind of starting to get

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it out there and.
Creating and and then just

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notice and be curious of
yourself That is super

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important.
Not being judgmental of

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yourself.
Just noticing hey, like I I have

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these thoughts or hey, like I I
have this tendency and not being

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shameful because you've probably
experienced enough shame and

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it's not gonna help.
And so yeah.

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And then just praying, asking
Jesus like how he wants you to

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work through it with him.
I mean, he is so gentle.

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He's so gentle.
I like what you said about not

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judging our own emotions,
because that's where shame comes

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from, really, is that we feel
things and then we judge

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ourselves for feeling those
things.

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And it's never helpful to us.
It's never helpful to our

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healing process or anything like
that.

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Yes, so true.
Yeah.

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Thank you so much for
reiterating that, because that

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is a big one for sure.
So Madeline, where have you

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seen?
Victories.

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Little or big victories in
reparenting yourself and

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bringing this healing to the
Lord, knowing He's the only one

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who can truly make us.
You know that new creation in

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Christ.
So where have you seen victories

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in how you now live your life as
opposed to who you once were?

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Yeah, that is so good.
That's a great question.

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Well, I didn't know that over
the past year I've had some

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pretty big breakthroughs, I
would say, yeah, no, I would say

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that one of the biggest ones is
that I'm no longer, no longer

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acting on my thoughts.
That's a really big thing where

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I've noticed that like I am not
my thoughts.

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So basically let's say.
I feel like self harming and I

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noticed like hey I don't have to
do that just because I want to

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just I can ride this wave of
emotion and I will be OK at that

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end of it.
And that's what's so important I

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think even for parenting and
that I was never given was that

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idea of Co regulating.
So if we aren't given that Co

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regulator as a young child, it's
really, really hard for us to

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regulate ourselves as adults and
so for me.

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For me, these emotions, I've
always just been so big and so

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scary and it's like, OK, I have
to do XY&Z to to soothe myself

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rather than just saying, hey,
I'm going to ride this wave and

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I don't have to soothe myself
anymore.

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I think that that's been one of
the the biggest things that I've

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I've seen.
And then the other thing would

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just say, I would say is my
thoughts are not my reality, so.

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Like I I think it's been really
really hard and I'm being super

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vulnerable here.
But I've had some thoughts come

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up towards my kids where it is
so left field and it is so it's

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kind of dark and it's just not
me at all.

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And I think in the past if I
would have had those thoughts to

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about myself or my kids or
anyone, I would have condemned

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myself and been like ohh my
gosh, I'm just like a terrible

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person, you know Or ohh my gosh
that must be true if I'm

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thinking it.
But now I've come to.

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To grasp that that's not me.
I honestly think some of those

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thoughts I have towards my kids
is just my trauma speaking.

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It's just my inner child saying,
hey, this is what you heard

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about yourself.
And so I take those as an

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opportunity to look back and
say, oh, OK, that's where I was

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wounded.
And there goes, you know,

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breaking the trauma cycle.
I'm not going to think that

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about my kids, let alone act on
it, let alone say it.

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I hope that's making sense.
Yeah, that is.

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It's because I haven't actually
processed that too.

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It sounds exactly like you are
taking the verse of taking

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thought, taking every thought
captive, and teaching it to obey

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Christ.
And that sounds like you're

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applying it in your own life as
you walk out every day.

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Yes, thank you so much.
But a lot of it has just been

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him personally coming to me and
and working through it with him

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and my therapist and through
prayer and just bringing him

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into my into my thought life.
Yeah, yeah.

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And you have, you know, the Lord
helping you regulate those

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thoughts and emotions.
And then you also have a

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therapist.
And I think that's beautiful.

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How like they can both work
together to be homeless.

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Don't even get me started on the
whole thing about Christians not

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having a therapist.
I'm like, oh brother, my

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therapist.
Yeah, don't even get me started.

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God has used my therapist, even
my secular therapist like that

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I've had in the past.
I mean, God has really used

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them.
But right now, I've had the same

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therapist for a few years and
she's totally spirit led.

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And totally just pours, you
know, pours out the Lord's heart

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and helps me to navigate all of
this with the Holy Spirit.

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So it's like it's a ministry of
hers, you know, and I think, you

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know, the Holy Spirit is
referred to in Scripture as the

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counselor.
So I know that's that's argument

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enough that people can go to
therapy and still fully trust

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the Lord.
Amen.

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Amen.
And I I think something else

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too, Johnny, that I did want to
really talk about was just the

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fact that Jesus is the ultimate
reparenter.

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And that's something I'm really
trying to trying to convey and

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I've just been praying on, OK,
how do I convey this especially

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to secular people because
because we can repair ourselves,

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right.
And that's that's something that

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the whole whether you believe in
Jesus or not, you can repair

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yourself but.
I know from my own personal

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experience that sometimes I'm
not even the best parent to

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prepare myself.
And Jesus is the ultimate parent

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and he's so gentle and so kind.
So I would just say that, you

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know, he is the one who can
really do that, that deep, deep

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work that even we can't do for
ourselves.

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Yeah.
Like if you don't have the Lord.

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There is maybe an element, a
level of healing you can.

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Reach you know totally about it.
You know by yourself, and then

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with others, your community, a
therapist.

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But then when you have the Lord,
it it.

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Just isn't on a whole new.
Yes, exactly.

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I mean it.
He what Jesus can do is he can

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redeem this situation, right?
I mean, we know that He's the

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Great Redeemer, so not only can
he.

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Take it away.
But he can actually make

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something beautiful out of the
out of the dust.

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Yeah.
Yeah, I love that about him.

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Yes.
I know.

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Me too.
So, Madeline, do you have any

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final encouragements for
listeners who are have been

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listening his episode and
they're just like, OK, now it's

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time for action.
What would you encourage them

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with?
Yeah, I would definitely say

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don't be complacent.
You know, don't.

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Just listen to this and not take
a step forward.

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If you have something on your
heart that you feel like you

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need to work on, I would
definitely say to ask Jesus, ask

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the Holy Spirit, ask our Father.
You know what you need to work

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on, if there's anything.
I think oftentimes we can numb

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out our trauma or just kind of
disregard it, but that isn't

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gonna really help ultimately in
the long run.

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So just being really aware of
yourself, really kind, very

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curious towards yourself, become
passionate.

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And it's OK if you aren't ready
to take those steps.

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But eventually I would you know,
I would work towards that and

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ask the Lord to give you
strength.

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I think that's one of the
beautiful things is like when we

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go about this healing journey
with the Lord, the pressure is

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not on us, you know?
Yeah, we kind of just surrender

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the facts.
Like okay, Well, I can't really

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deeply change myself, but he
can.

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And he's fighting.
For me, Hallelujah.

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Yes.
I totally agree.

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I totally agree.
Yeah.

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So Madeline, if someone is
scrolling through their

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Instagram and they want to find
you, how would they be able to

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do that?
Thank you.

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Yeah, you can search me at my
handle is at whole Mama, whole

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baby.
And that's WHOLE, whole.

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Well, thank you so much for
being the guest today, Madeline,

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because you have a lot of just
experience and wise things to

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say about your encounters with
the Lord and how he's brought

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you through deeper healing.
Thank you so much, Jenny.

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This was such a pleasure.
I really appreciate this and it

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