S3E12: Can Women Be Pastors? + Other Issues That Don’t Matter As Much As We Think They Do

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Welcome to head to her podcast.
I'm your host Jenny Markham.

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This Bi weekly podcast is
designed to be a safe space to

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admit what we truly believe in
our hearts.

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We all know the difference
between just having biblical

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knowledge floating around in our
heads and actually believing

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that it's true.
Until God's truth makes its way

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into our hearts.
Nothing changes will be doing a

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mix of solo episodes and
interviews with friends who have

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experience the freedom that
comes when head knowledge

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Knowledge becomes heart
knowledge will talk about

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overcoming lies in our
relationships, mental health

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struggles.
And the way we see ourselves,

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the truth will set you free so
that you can walk every day in

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the freedom.
God desires for you.

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It's time to let go of the
pressures insecurities and

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burdens.
That's not yours to carry.

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Thanks for joining us.
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notes and of course, I have to

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introduce myself, but I also
have to introduce my husband.

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Joseph.
Go ahead.

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Say hi.
Hey everybody.

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So Jessica died.
I had other plans for this

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episode, I guess.
But the c-word interrupted us,

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covid took over covid took over.
We were struck, we were struck

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by the covid, so plans changed a
little bit.

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Okay Covey.
Yeah, exactly.

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Like inside in a Cove.
Yeah.

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In your own home and isolation.
Yeah, so we're going to say, a

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fun fact about both of us and
Joseph isn't really going to be

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the guest today.
But He is here doing this with

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me.
He's not necessarily the co-host

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either.
So I said I was like what?

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If you're like, the sound guy
and okay?

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Check check mike working.
Yeah, exactly.

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He's really good at it, you
know, that episode of SpongeBob

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where they're like, trying to
make a movie and Sandy Cheeks is

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in charge of the mic.
She's like, did somebody say

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boom, an explosive.
She's in charge of the boom mic.

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Your that you are Sandy Cheeks.
Thanks.

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Yeah, you're welcome.
And so he is an important part

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of the story that I'm going to
tell today.

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He's going to be just tuning in
whenever he wants.

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I was like Joseph.
If I ever get a detail of the

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story wrong, or if you have
anything to add in just jump

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right in, so he is sound guy
extraordinaire today.

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So Joseph, why don't you tell us
the fun fact about yourself?

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Yeah, my fun fact is growing up.
I've been obsessed with like

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aquariums, not just like going
to aquariums obviously, but at

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home aquarium.
So yeah, I just love, you know,

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building fish tanks.
Setting it up and just having

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new fish filtering and all the
new stuff out.

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So that's currently what I'm
doing now since we recently

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moved to a big place trying to
find the right fit for our home

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Yeah, but a struggle, but I bet
the pet stores all know you by

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name that you're nicer helpful.
Yeah.

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Pet Smart is really great.
My fun fact.

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It was hard to pick this one but
Joseph gave me a good one for

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me.
But my fun fact is that I love

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gardening and I actually have 37
plants currently so but I'm not

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the only one who liked brings
them home.

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Joseph definitely shows up at
the door with plants at times.

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So I'm not the only one who
makes that happen.

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Yeah, dream team.
So the question we always have

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to ask is what have I been set
free from in this episode I'm

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going to share.
How I've been set free from the

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burden of black and white
thinking about secondary issues

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in the church.
So come to the story.

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If I get any part of this wrong
Joseph, you just jump right in

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or if you want to add anything
or if I forget anything.

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Go ahead, Jump, Right In.
Okay, so when Joseph and I got

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married, this is May 20 21, we
knew we had to find a church, we

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had a church but we knew we
needed to switch and pick a

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church as a married.
Read couple.

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So, we started looking at
churches.

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We already knew that we had
grown up in different

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denominations of churches.
We already knew that.

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So when we started this church
hunt as you Church hop, as we do

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we started with a church that
was in the de same denomination

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that I grew up in but there was
one specific secondary issue

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that Joseph had not grown up
with and that was very strange

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for me.
It was incredibly normal for me.

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The secondary issue that I'm
talking about was women as

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pastors and churches and women
in leadership and Joseph had not

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grown up with that.
But I had so at first, I was

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like, what's the problem?
I don't understand.

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But we, I knew that you were
thinking Joseph, like, is this

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biblical?
I thought it wasn't.

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I was taught this way.
I wasn't taught that way.

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There were a lot of questions
coming up, so we decided to take

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some time to study scripture for
ourselves about the This issue

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both of us didn't want to just
go along with whatever we had

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grown up with.
So we took time and we studied,

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we prayed.
We looked at commentaries, we

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watched videos of teachings.
We did everything we could in

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our power to try to get to the
bottom of this.

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Is it egalitarians ISM?
Or is it complementarianism?

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Someone tell us after we had
studied and done all that.

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We then tried to talk about what
we had learned.

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But talking about it did Not go
as well as we had hoped.

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We were still on opposing sides
even though we had done our own

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research and tried to come up
with the best solution that we

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could.
So we studied more and we

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learned more and then we talked
about it again and we were kind

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of still on opposing sides,
nothing.

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I'm not gonna say nothing
changed.

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I think that you took like two
steps closer to the egalitarian

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side.
I think that at that point you

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were like okay I could see that.
Women can be children's pastors

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and youth pastors but that's it.
So you took like two steps but

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we were not at all on the same
page and it didn't really help

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us.
Where do we go to church?

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So we try to talk about this
several times, but we didn't

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seem to get anywhere and they
eventually turned into arguments

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where I did not want to talk
about it anymore because I was

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like, I don't feel like we're on
the same page and are we ever

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going to get on the same page?
So one time after an argument I

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went on a walk.
While I was on this walk I

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started praying like God.
Am I Wrong?

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Is he right?
I thought I was right but I Just

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want to know the truth because I
want to be on the same page.

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So please correct me.
Please just tell me something.

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I don't know what I'm doing
wrong.

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And I remember hearing the
Lord's voice and it felt like

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piece was like rushing over me,
but I felt him say, I'm going to

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guide you into something better
than choosing a side.

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I'm going to help you understand
my heart.

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And when I felt that, I felt
such peace and relief.

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Come over me because I thought,
oh, thank God.

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It's not actually about getting
it right or wrong.

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Jesus, still needs to be the
center.

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So, a few months ago, by we
aren't arguing about that

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anymore, but we still are trying
to find a church and several

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didn't work out for various
reasons.

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Not just secondary issues.
We tried one for about two

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months and when that one didn't
work out, I felt so hopeless.

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I was so worried that we were
never going to get on the same

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page.
We were never going to find a

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church that we could both feel
excited about and agree on.

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And during this time I went and
talked with a friend about this

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and I was like, I don't know
what to do.

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I are we ever going to find a
church?

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And I asked her to pray with me
and while we were praying she

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said that she got a picture of
Joseph and I worshipping

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side-by-side and the atmosphere
behind us like the background

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that we are.
Should begin kept changing.

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So we were still there
worshipping side by side but

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then we were in a church with
pews, then it went to an outdoor

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area.
Then it went to under a big

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tent, then it went to a big
church and I went to a small

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Church etc, etc.
And she said I feel like it

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doesn't matter where you guys
are worshipping.

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What really matters is that you
are worshipping God together.

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So, after that, I felt a little
better more encouraged for sure.

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And then Joseph recommended we
try this one church and as we

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kept going week after week, we
both liked it a lot.

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We kept going there and the more
we went the more we liked it.

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Until one day we went to a new
guest meeting where they're like

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here's what our church is about.
Here's what we do, here's why we

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do it and they said in that
meeting that they had a board of

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like 12 people and two of them
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It was a board of Elders
specifically, there's like maybe

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10 people, two of them are women
and my stomach just sunk as I

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heard that because I felt like I
knew exactly what you were going

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to say when we were talk about
it later.

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So Joseph was having a bit of a
hard time and and thinking, like

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well can I still join this
church in good conscious?

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We both love the church but he
was wondering.

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Can I join this?
This church because of this one

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thing that he disagrees with,
and I think that correct me if

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I'm wrong, but I think that a
big part of that was that you

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question?
Like is this sinful?

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Am I sinning if I join this
church, right?

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Yeah, it's but I question.
It was very black and white

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thinking for something that I
thought was more of a gray area,

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so we talked about it and I
would try to reassure him that I

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didn't think it was sin and it's
just one little thing and you

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love the church.
It was more.

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Just like please.
Let's be on the same page

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please.
And then around Thanksgiving

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time, I sent up a flare prayer.
A flare prayer for those who

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don't know is, you know, when
you're like stuck in a dangerous

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situation, you have a flare gun
that you point at the sky and

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you you know, send up a flare.
So people know where you are and

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they can rescue you a flare.
Prayer is a prayer where you're

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like, God help.
I don't know what to do in the

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are very desperate, so I send up
a flare prayer.

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I was so tired of not having a
home church.

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I knew we both wanted to have a
home church and I was so Spurt

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just to be on the same page.
So I prayed I was like, God just

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please, either change his mind
or change my mind.

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Give us the church.
That we need to go to because I

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just want to be on the same page
and it was crazy because I saw

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God answer that prayer like
literally the next day, started

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working on it.
The next day we were both

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listening to a sermon and we I
think that we found out while we

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were listening to it that the
sermon was actually about

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discernment.
And working with people who

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don't necessarily agree with you
on everything.

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So that was really cool.
Then later that week you came to

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me and said that when you were
praying you said that God told

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you you submit to me first and
then you submit to the

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leadership over you, your first
submitting to God and then you

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submit to people, right?
And then the next day, we went

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to a party and I saw that Joseph
was talking with one of his

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friends across the room and I
knew you guys were talking about

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church but I had no idea where
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I couldn't hear you.
So when we came home from that

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party that night you were
completely, you seemed so

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relieved and like something had
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issue.
And you were saying that you

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felt like God spoke to you
through that conversation and

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that you felt like such a small
disagreement, you just been

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looking at it wrong and it had
become a big block because of

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that Is that what you felt like
you're saying?

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Well, yeah, I felt that.
I didn't sense that.

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Well, I decided to look more a
lot of context situations I

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think it's the more I
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What scripture says around these
verses about whether or not you

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know who should be preachers and
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I just realized that that are
focusing on I'm trying to obtain

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the right answer. just obey God
first and just understanding

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that just church that we go to
and what they stand for, you

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know, ultimately stand for the
Lord's and hit Mission and what

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and then we agree with ya and
while I, while I while they

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still hold some views and you
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that to dictate whether or not
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not I'm not going to go to
church or not and And, you know,

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and so, yeah, and when I, when I
realized that and not to live

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out of fear, not living to any,
I have to live by this because

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if I don't I'm sinning against
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I think the Lord just said no
you're not going to you're not

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doing that you know.
So yeah I realize that yeah and

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so that was a huge answer to
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And finally finally we had a
home Church flare prayers really

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work, they really do.
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And I also Dimension to is like,
Jenny Jenny and I like, we still

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like we agree on mostly
everything and like not going to

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get into the detail of
everything but like there's

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still a little bit of, you know,
a few things that we both

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disagree and but like that does
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back and like because I allowed
myself to not let that be the

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culprit of the deciding factor
of just trusting the Lord and

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she trusted the Lord, you know,
we were able to find her church.

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And so that's our personal
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But this story is not
necessarily uncommon in the

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church.
Christians have let secondary

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issues become priority in their
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beliefs that does not affect
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Romans 5 verse 1 says, therefore
since we have been justified by

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faith, we have peace with God
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It's by faith alone that were
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It's not Faith plus having
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And this actually happens all
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Christians with differing
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them mentality.
So let's all close our eyes.

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Let's just close our eyes.
Unless you're driving, go ahead

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and close your eyes.
Let's say picture this with me.

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You become friends.
With this person.

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You meet at church.
You guys are getting along,

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great.
You hang out during the week

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you're in the same small group
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But one day, you're talking with
them, about your relationship

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with God and they say something
that shocks you and you say,

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what are you doing?
A Christian.

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And they say, yes, I am.
Now, I'm going to list off many

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statements that are considered
secondary issues.

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And let's pretend this friend of
yours said, one of, these are

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all of them or all of them.
Yeah, I'm a Christian and I

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believe women can be pastors.
I'm a Christian and I believe

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women can't teach men and women
in the church.

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I'm a Christian and I'm
pro-choice.

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I'm a Christian and I don't
believe the spiritual gifts are

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for today.
I'm a Christian.

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And I believe in speaking in
tongues, I'm a Christian and I

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believe in predestination, I'm a
calvinist, I'm an arminian, I'm

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reformed, I'm Pentecostal, I'm
Baptist, I could go on for a

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long time here.
There are more, but I'm going to

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stop there.
So which one of those statements

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offended you the most, maybe you
wouldn't say that any of them

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really offended you which one
made, you raise your eyebrows

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and say, Christians actually
believe that.

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Why does that surprise you?
Why does that offend you?

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Is it an essential issue?
Does that issue impact their

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salvation at all?
Pretty much all of us come to a

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point in our faith where we
think we have it all figured

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out.
Maybe none of us would say that

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out loud.
Like yes, I do know everything.

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Thank you but we would say that
we know what is true and what's

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not?
We hear about others, differing

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opinions and think well that's
stupid.

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Why would they think that that's
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Everything seems incredibly
black and white to us.

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But most of us don't understand
that most secondary issues are

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more of a gray area until we
become more mature in our faith.

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And those people, there's part
of our brain called the

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prefrontal cortex.
And this part of our brain is in

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charge of a lot of things.
And some of those things include

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planning, complex Behavior
personality expression,

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decision-making, and moderating
social Here.

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So this part of our brain that
in does, all these important

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things that are essential to
everyday life, doesn't fully

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develop until around age 27,
which is absolutely insane,

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which is why you see, younger
people being more impulsive, not

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really thinking through
decisions, but you see older

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people kind of weighing all the
options, all the pros and cons

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when decision-making.
And that's why, when were

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younger than 2728 it can Also
easy to reason and say that's

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wrong.
And this is right.

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But as your brain develops, it
realizes that so much of life is

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a lot more gray than we thought
it was.

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And we are able to reason with
better Clarity and

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understanding.
Shout out to those in the room

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who are twenty-seven.
Woop woop.

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That's you Joseph, you're 27.
Hey, I'm 27.

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Congratulations.
And this is why we hear a lot of

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adults.
Say the older, I get the less I

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know.
Because it's easy to assume that

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we have it, all right?
We have our theology down pat

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and everyone who disagrees with
us is wrong, but that is a

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closed and fixed mindset.
That is not open to correction

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vulnerability or growth.
It is okay to disagree with

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somebody, but it is not okay to
cancel them, disrespect them

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talk badly about them be unkind
to them just because they do not

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stroke our ego and tell us that
were right.

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All Time.
This is what you call an echo

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chamber.
And we all have an echo chamber.

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At least, once in our lives and
Echo chamber is your yes-men

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people around you in person or
online.

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So, these guys believe the same
exact things you have similar

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backgrounds.
You like the same things.

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They are unlikely to challenge
your opinions in any way because

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they think the same exact thing
as you do.

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And it's hard to come to the
fact that maybe you only believe

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the things you do because it is
all everyone around.

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You has ever told you.
Maybe you've never experienced

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anything different.
Okay.

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I need everyone to close your
eyes one more time.

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Of course, unless you are
driving picture.

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Your friend group, who would you
say your closest friends are And

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then beyond that.
Who would you say?

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You're really good?
Friends are, do they look like

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you?
Do they act like you do?

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They believe the same things as
you were.

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They raised in the same type of
background as you if you're

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saying, yes to all these
questions, I don't want you to

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feel shame.
It is natural that we gravitate

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towards others that we can
relate to, but it is dangerous.

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If we stay tied to these bubbles
in an attempt to make us feel

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like we're right.
We know it all and no one is

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going to challenge us.
This is an issue because Jesus

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was never almost never in an
echo chamber.

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He chose disciples who were
completely different from each

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other.
Simon, the Zealot came from a

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background where he wanted to
violently overthrow the Romans

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for the glory of God, of course,
but Jesus also included women

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following him, and he taught
them in a society that That

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viewed women as like equal to
property and he was known to

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hang out with Sinners, which the
religious viewed, as the wrong

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crowd to hang out with.
You did not want to mess with

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them my dear listeners, since
when did agreeing with someone

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become a prerequisite for loving
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If you haven't noticed, we live
in cancel culture, cancel

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culture is a part of everyday
life.

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Where if we don't agree with
someone or if they offend Us in

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some way it is as easy as
pressing, a few buttons to

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cancel them out of our Lives.
Beep, beep.

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Boop, bop thank you, Joseph.
They posted this opposing

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political view, just unfollow
them.

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They commented on your post with
a different opinion just Andy,

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stop doing that.
Yeah just delete the comment.

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One of the reasons we live in
cancel culture right now is

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because social media has made it
so easy to only be surrounded by

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the people who agree with you.
The algorithm on social media

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tracks when you like something
so that it can show you more

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content.
Exactly like that it is

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completely possible not to even
see anything on social media

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that you would disagree with
because it tracks your patterns

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to produce more content that
confirms your Ready existing

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beliefs.
You literally have to go out of

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your way if you want to see
anything that disagrees with

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you, and this is a huge concern
because it takes away our need

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to think for ourselves.
So I have to ask you, it's a

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very hard question but you have
to reflect and answer, honestly

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is social media.
Discipling.

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You Is Instagram.
Discipling, you is.

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Twitter is Facebook.
Whatever you use?

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Think about it.
Let's say you read your Bible

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once a day.
That's pretty good, right?

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Well, you might also be picking
up your phone and scrolling your

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feed like six times a day, maybe
more.

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So are you following God or are
you following a person who posts

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a lot about God?
Social media likes to grab our

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attention and steal our time?
But when was the last time, you

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just studied the Bible?
For yourself.

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Hey, could I be real sure?
Go ahead, be real well.

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Thanks it has ever happened to
you where you will say to

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yourself?
Yeah.

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No more social media and then
like, you start getting the

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itch.
Yeah, the edge.

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Yeah, yeah.
And then you're like, I'm gonna

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stay off Instagram for.
Let's just say, I dare yourself

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and stay out for a week and
then, you know, you're good for

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About half a day.
Maybe get two evenings and you

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just start noticing something
missing bitch, you want to know

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it's the edge and then you know,
either you give in to that or

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you take no one other thing.
I found myself is closing in

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supposed to be the app and in
seconds later opening it up with

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whether or not I know it or not
like unconsciously doing it and

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I'm like I just need his post
two seconds ago.

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Wait, I was just on Instagram.
What the heck?

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Yeah, yeah.
It's like Like your fingers, do

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the work for you.
It's like your fingers.

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Just like reach into your back
pocket.

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Grab your phone, you're like
wait, what am I doing?

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Believe me, I love being
organized just as much as the

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next person but I have found a
pattern in my life.

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When I try to use a basic
planner.

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It's goes like this.
I'm going strong writing down

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what I need to do until
Thanksgiving comes around and

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then I forget the planner exist
until the new year.

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In January.
I'm committed and excited to get

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organized but once March hits.
I can't even find the thing

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anymore.
Have you ever experienced?

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This.
Do you ever feel like you want

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to get organized but just don't
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454
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personally needed in my life.
Now I can keep track of how much

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water I drink.
And how often I'm journaling, I

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464
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you.

465
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,600
So, we know that in order to
create Unity within the church

466
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,600
and love others who believe
differently from us.

467
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,400
If that's a little bit
differently or a lot

468
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:06,700
differently, we have to stop
copying what we see in cancel

469
00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:09,200
culture.
So I'm going to give you some

470
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,900
steps.
Step One is humble yourself.

471
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:17,400
We have to Humble ourselves,
God, opposes the proud, but

472
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:20,300
gives grace to the humble.
The proud?

473
00:28:20,300 --> 00:28:23,700
Say that they have it, right?
The proud say that there's

474
00:28:23,700 --> 00:28:27,300
nothing they can do to learn
more, but there is always

475
00:28:27,300 --> 00:28:29,300
something new.
You can learn from other people.

476
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,600
I know some of you might say,
does this mean?

477
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:36,000
Like, I can't debate with anyone
anymore or can I challenge my

478
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,500
friends beliefs at all?
But I would say that if you are

479
00:28:39,500 --> 00:28:43,900
able to do that in, God-honoring
way where you are genuinely

480
00:28:43,900 --> 00:28:48,700
listening to the other to learn
from them not just to counteract

481
00:28:48,700 --> 00:28:52,100
them and say your piece if you
can love them and honor them.

482
00:28:52,100 --> 00:28:55,100
Well if you don't talk badly
about them to anyone else

483
00:28:55,100 --> 00:28:58,600
afterwards, if you still respect
them and love them after the

484
00:28:58,600 --> 00:29:02,600
conversation is done, then I
think you can debate and

485
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:05,400
challenge another person's
beliefs but it cannot come from

486
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,500
a place of pride.
Because if you're not producing

487
00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:11,900
the fruit of the spirit, no one
is going to want what you have.

488
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,500
No one is going to want to
believe what you believe.

489
00:29:14,500 --> 00:29:19,300
If they see that, you're just an
argumentative person who has

490
00:29:19,300 --> 00:29:23,000
given way to all of cancel
cultures Norms.

491
00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,600
Yeah.
I would also say, Don't be

492
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,100
afraid to.
I don't know if I would you do

493
00:29:29,100 --> 00:29:33,400
or debate, but if you're really
true, if you're really truly

494
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:39,500
knitted with really good friends
that are believers and you know,

495
00:29:39,500 --> 00:29:42,700
like there's some differences,
like don't, I would say in

496
00:29:42,700 --> 00:29:46,500
wisdom, you know, share your
belief to build one another up

497
00:29:46,500 --> 00:29:48,700
and encourage one another, and
like, share with them your

498
00:29:48,700 --> 00:29:52,500
belief because, you know,
people, you know, may need

499
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:57,300
wisdom and guidance and
discernment and Just be true to

500
00:29:57,308 --> 00:30:00,500
be truthful of what, you know,
your heart is when you are

501
00:30:00,500 --> 00:30:05,200
sharing or with debating or just
we're discussing because I've

502
00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:08,700
grown in my life or my friends
have you know, helped me a lot

503
00:30:08,700 --> 00:30:13,300
with certain things and you know
not everything that I hear from

504
00:30:13,300 --> 00:30:15,800
them has shaped and made me who
I am today.

505
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:19,200
But it had brought perspective
that helped me grow into a

506
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,100
certain topic or things that
they need to work on.

507
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,100
Yeah, that's why we need other
people around us.

508
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,600
Okay.
Number two, do your own work.

509
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,100
If you just take everything your
pastor says at face value, then,

510
00:30:33,100 --> 00:30:37,800
is it really your own faith?
Are you just trying to copy and

511
00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,200
paste your pastors faith into
your notebook?

512
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:44,200
When you take notes, if you have
questions about something, ask

513
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,400
God because you have direct
access to him.

514
00:30:47,900 --> 00:30:50,600
Search the word and wrestle with
your questions.

515
00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:53,700
It's okay.
It's It's okay to doubt, it's

516
00:30:53,700 --> 00:30:58,200
okay to not know, and it's okay
to do the work yourself.

517
00:30:58,900 --> 00:31:03,600
We can't say, well, John Piper
says this, so I believe it and

518
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,000
just take it.
Just take it at face value.

519
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,300
I will say this, like, I mean,
not trying to speak on about

520
00:31:11,300 --> 00:31:15,600
John Piper, so we live in
Minnesota.

521
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,300
Hopefully, most of you guys know
that or anybody for an out there

522
00:31:19,700 --> 00:31:25,400
with the Minnesota and
Minneapolis, you know, wanted

523
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:28,400
John Piper church?
He preached here?

524
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:32,600
I have a friend of mine and his
friend was going to that church.

525
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,200
And I don't go to church, but he
would go to that church and John

526
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,800
Piper, I think, you know, he's
like slowly retiring.

527
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:43,700
I think that friend started to
back of the Pew and every

528
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:45,800
Sunday, he would move one Pew
closer.

529
00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,500
The next few cluster, and I
could be closer and he would

530
00:31:48,500 --> 00:31:51,200
tell his friend.
Hey, I'm getting closer at the

531
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:53,900
John Piper. /.
And then his written and my

532
00:31:53,900 --> 00:31:56,900
friend told the other guy he's
like, are you there for God?

533
00:31:56,900 --> 00:32:00,200
Are you there for John?
I want to touch the back of John

534
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,400
Piper's head.
But yeah, and so that just like

535
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,800
made me realize like, you know,
being wise and being Discerning

536
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:13,700
of what a pastor or a teacher
says and, you know, don't just

537
00:32:13,700 --> 00:32:16,900
go and take every word for it.
Yeah.

538
00:32:17,700 --> 00:32:21,800
And then of course number three,
get outside of your Echo.

539
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,700
Amber.
So I'm not saying, you know,

540
00:32:24,700 --> 00:32:29,100
everyone who has ever agreed
with you just throw them out, or

541
00:32:29,100 --> 00:32:30,500
never ask them about anything
again.

542
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:34,200
I'm not saying that, but ask
wise mentors in your life and if

543
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:39,400
someone has been a good support
system for you, you can continue

544
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,000
to bring questions to them.
But I would encourage you to

545
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:46,800
also purposely listen to some
things that you don't

546
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:50,300
necessarily think you agree with
at this moment in time, listen

547
00:32:50,300 --> 00:32:54,200
to some podcasts that Sent the
opposing side and some of you

548
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:55,500
are going to listen to some
podcasts.

549
00:32:55,500 --> 00:32:57,800
That make you say like oh my
gosh I hope no one sees that I'm

550
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,200
listening to this but if you're
saying that I'm proud of you

551
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:05,200
already because you are getting
outside of your Echo chamber and

552
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,800
you are seeing with the opposing
side says, and your

553
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:14,400
understanding that people are on
all different sides of the

554
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,900
spectrum and we can't just throw
away one side because we don't

555
00:33:17,900 --> 00:33:21,000
understand it.
I think it's pretty cool

556
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,800
sometimes.
Away being you, if you like put

557
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,200
yourself out there and try to
just hear something different,

558
00:33:27,300 --> 00:33:30,000
not in the sense of like, oh my
gosh, I want to do Revelation or

559
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,100
I want a new, I knew teaching,
but just like know what's out

560
00:33:34,100 --> 00:33:37,400
there and know and be aware of
what being taught would being

561
00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,900
said, what, who believe, what
who does, what you know, you

562
00:33:40,900 --> 00:33:44,100
know, it's it easy now.
Just to, like, go online and

563
00:33:44,100 --> 00:33:46,600
type in churches, go to website.
Look at the recent stream.

564
00:33:46,700 --> 00:33:49,100
Yeah, a number.
For the last one.

565
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,300
Throw away.
The mindset that you You cannot

566
00:33:52,300 --> 00:33:56,800
work with anyone different than
you because this Joseph and I

567
00:33:56,800 --> 00:33:58,900
have both seen this really
hinder.

568
00:33:58,900 --> 00:34:02,400
A lot of people who are growing
into their faith where they

569
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:06,100
think they have it figured out
and then when they come into

570
00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:09,300
contact with a leader that
believes differently than them,

571
00:34:09,300 --> 00:34:12,100
they feel like they need to
leave.

572
00:34:12,100 --> 00:34:13,900
They need to leave the
organization.

573
00:34:13,900 --> 00:34:17,800
They need to leave that
leadership because they can

574
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,800
agree on this one thing and you
will always encounter people

575
00:34:21,900 --> 00:34:25,900
People who believe differently
and if you only want people

576
00:34:25,900 --> 00:34:31,000
exactly, like you, your life
will be Bland and dull and all

577
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,300
about you.
And let's say, you think well, I

578
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:38,100
don't really agree with this
leader on a few issues.

579
00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:43,600
So I think that I should leave
well, wherever you go next.

580
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:46,699
What happens when that leader
says something that you don't

581
00:34:46,699 --> 00:34:50,100
agree with, do you leave there
to do you just keep hopping

582
00:34:50,100 --> 00:34:52,600
around?
You look like you were going to

583
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:56,900
say something because I am,
somebody waiting one thing.

584
00:34:56,900 --> 00:35:02,000
I just kind of came to my mind
is You know, Jesus, excuse me.

585
00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:09,000
You know, he not only came to
give his life as a sacrifice so

586
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,600
that we may spend eternity with
him and, and to learn his ways

587
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:14,300
and live that out as a
testimony.

588
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:20,900
But he came in, he came to paper
way of teaching and and and just

589
00:35:20,900 --> 00:35:28,700
Miracles, but he also had a team
12 disciples and, you know Jenny

590
00:35:28,700 --> 00:35:31,400
touched on a couple at least one
about.

591
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:32,900
Who was it?
That wanted to go.

592
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,200
Romans to die or who Simon the
Zealot.

593
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,700
Yeah.
And you know, you've Simon the

594
00:35:36,700 --> 00:35:40,600
Zealot, you have Peter who
denies, you know, Christ in

595
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:44,400
Matthew who's a tax collector
and has basically betrayed all

596
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:46,700
the juice right by becoming a
tactical.

597
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:48,900
Yeah.
And so you have all these people

598
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:54,800
in, you know, we know that in
the Bible, Jesus never left the

599
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,100
12 disciples, you know, he was
there to teach them and guide

600
00:35:58,100 --> 00:36:07,500
them and he never he never left.
Because of a dispute or a

601
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:14,000
disagreement and you can look at
now I mean, besides, you know,

602
00:36:15,100 --> 00:36:19,500
Judas, you know, his twelve
disciples went on and did

603
00:36:19,500 --> 00:36:24,800
amazing things and you know it
connected the Paul and so forth

604
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:30,000
and so you know, Jesus never
left because he disagreed, you

605
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,300
know, he saw past those issues.
Yeah.

606
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:38,400
Yeah.
So bottom line, God is not as

607
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:43,100
concerned with these secondary
issues, as we think he is, every

608
00:36:43,100 --> 00:36:47,400
person is in some place in this
process where they are,

609
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,600
developing their own
relationship with the Lord.

610
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:53,000
And when I started dating
Joseph, we knew that we grew up

611
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,300
in different church
denominations and yet I never

612
00:36:56,300 --> 00:36:59,000
felt like the Holy Spirit was
saying like, no, you can't be

613
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:04,200
with him or leading me out of
that because we We Were Somehow

614
00:37:04,300 --> 00:37:07,500
incompatible because of our
different backgrounds or

615
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:11,800
different little secondary
issues, we believed and that's

616
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,200
not the meaning of equally
yoked.

617
00:37:14,300 --> 00:37:16,500
If you come from the same
denomination, believe the same

618
00:37:16,500 --> 00:37:19,300
exact things that's not the
meaning of equally yoked.

619
00:37:19,500 --> 00:37:23,000
We're not just looking for
someone exactly like us.

620
00:37:23,300 --> 00:37:27,300
That's not the point.
So through this whole process of

621
00:37:27,300 --> 00:37:29,500
finding a church, we both felt
the Lord was saying to us.

622
00:37:29,500 --> 00:37:31,900
That Christ is the most
important thing.

623
00:37:32,100 --> 00:37:35,100
All else, Is not as important as
we think it is.

624
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:37,600
You have any final words for us
Joseph?

625
00:37:38,300 --> 00:37:41,900
Well, I think this has been
incredibly helpful and a

626
00:37:41,900 --> 00:37:48,300
reminder, at least for me and
so, yeah, I just encourage you.

627
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:52,600
The Listener.
Just look into your life and

628
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:56,800
look at you, your friendships
and, you know, search, no, we

629
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,200
don't have, like, we haven't
said, everything was the

630
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:03,500
immediate concerns of, you know,
I know we've been talking about

631
00:38:03,500 --> 00:38:07,500
secondary issues, but you know
understand what, what a real

632
00:38:07,500 --> 00:38:09,200
concerns.
What a real factor is you need

633
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,800
to look out for in a church and
relationships in your life and

634
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,900
you know, and you know, someone
denying Christ and holy spirit,

635
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,600
you know, that's the biggest
player, a Salvation issue

636
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,900
elevation is shooting, you know,
there's a thing that, you know,

637
00:38:21,900 --> 00:38:25,300
I guess, just a couple, you
know, that, you know, you should

638
00:38:25,300 --> 00:38:27,800
be concerned about and, you
know, at least try to have

639
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,400
wisdom in just reading that for
yourself or someone else or

640
00:38:30,408 --> 00:38:35,600
where you go and Yeah, so I just
hope this has been encouraging.

641
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:40,500
And again, I apologize for covid
and and if I ever lose to this

642
00:38:40,500 --> 00:38:43,400
episode, you know, I mean, I
don't know.

643
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,400
I'm beautiful.
Like, wow, I sound so congested.

644
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:52,500
No, you don't sound like Kermit
the Frog.

645
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:56,600
You just sound like a little
raspy or a small raspy, you've

646
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:58,000
been an amazing sound guy
Joseph.

647
00:38:58,300 --> 00:39:05,300
Hey, did somebody say boom?
Thank you.

648
00:39:05,300 --> 00:39:09,900
Dear listeners for tuning in.
That's not true.

649
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,200
No, I just got jet.
Thank you so much listeners for

650
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:15,100
tuning in to head to Heart
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651
00:39:15,200 --> 00:39:17,400
It was a joy to make this
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652
00:39:17,700 --> 00:39:21,200
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00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,200
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654
00:39:25,200 --> 00:39:27,200
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So we can all just get out of

655
00:39:27,200 --> 00:39:30,700
this.
This arguing this, this worry

656
00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:32,800
about secondary issues that
don't matter that much.

657
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:36,000
Because Christ literally desires
for us to live in unity.

658
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,100
So thank you so much for
listening.

659
00:39:38,100 --> 00:39:44,100
We'll see you next time.
Thank you so much for listening

660
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:46,200
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661
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,400
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662
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:51,800
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