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April 22, 2021

S2E4: How to Stop Being Passive Aggressive and Start Loving Your Neighbor

S2E4: How to Stop Being Passive Aggressive and Start Loving Your Neighbor
Head to Heart
S2E4: How to Stop Being Passive Aggressive and Start Loving Your Neighbor
Corinna lays down truth that will set you free to love as Christ loves and eliminate the sinful habit of ignoring confrontation and using passive aggressiveness instead. --- This episode is sponsored by · Anchor: The easiest way to make a podcast. https://anchor.fm/app Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/jenny-marcum/support
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Welcome back to no idea the
podcast where you have no idea

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where we're going to talk about
and we have no idea how it's

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going to go.
I'm Jenny back again right at

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it.
And guess what?

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I have a very special guest
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I'm very excited to introduce
her because I've been wanting

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her to be on this podcast for
quite a while.

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Let's say that but um, her name
is Corinna.

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We call her.
Winnie.

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No, we don't only some people
call her.

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Winnie, it's my favorite thing
to cook but Kareena.

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You are 20.
Two beautiful thriving, she's a

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30 colored each a lover, but she
also is a student life advisor.

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Currently is going to go
overseas to impact and change

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the world very soon.
So that's why it was kind of an

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urgent matter for us to get
around this podcast.

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Because you're gonna leave and
zoom, but she's one of my

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dearest friends.
I'm very excited that she's in

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my life, first of all, but
second of all that, you guys get

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to hear her wisdom because I
hear her wisdom all the time.

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And so you guys now get you
experience it.

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But Corinna, I have fun fact
question for you.

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Yes, tell us a fun fact about
yourself.

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It's very straightforward.
I'm playing.

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Oh wow, thank you for that
intro.

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You are a dear friend as well.
Thank you very much.

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Fun fact I have A Distillery bar
is high make kombucha in the

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basement of our dorm at first.
I was kind of keeping it on the

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DL.
So like nobody would know

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because I was like, I don't know
if it's okay to have this down

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here, like, but if someone like
gets me in trouble for having

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like making kombucha in the
basement, but I realized

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somebody told me that credit,
you're literally like the ra of

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this floor, like the only person
that would get you in trouble as

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you but exact gonna happen.
Yep.

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So it's computers.
Good.

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I love kombucha.
I started selling a recently. $5

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everyone, get her leader.
What do we call it?

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Corinne's kombuchka.
Yeah.

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Yes.
She taught me how to make it

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quite recently.
It's pretty simple.

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Anyone can learn really?
Yeah, Jamie's taking over my

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kombucha operation.
Joanne will now be her child to

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look after.
Oh, Joanne Joanne is her scoby.

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I just want you to scobie was
like last month.

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It's really gross to look out,
but very great to drink from Not

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the actual scope and drink the
juice that it sits in.

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Yeah, Joanne's cute.
But when I asked her it on what

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topics you want to talk about,
first of all, we went back and

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forth a couple times.
She's a no simple living, which

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is a great topic or maybe
something agricultural, but she

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decided that she wanted to talk
about love and passive

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aggressiveness and how those to
do not go together.

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But the way of Love basically is
what she said.

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And so Karina, why did you want
to talk specifically about that

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topic?
Why is it important?

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Orton to you.
Thank you for asking this topic

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means a lot to me because I've
lived in a lot of different

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Christian communities.
Both here at school, I also did

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a little stint with why Wham?
Which is admission sending

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organization as well, as well as
just being in churches and youth

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groups and everything and it as
Christians, I do believe that

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like we are we are literally so
called to be loving and to walk

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in the way of love, Jesus
himself walked in the way of

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love and Paul talks about the
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And so Yeah, I think this talk
kind of comes from what the

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Lord's been teaching me about
love and also kind of stemming

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into passive aggressively of
something that is really

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accepted in a lot of Christian
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That is just so incredibly
unloving.

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Yeah, just really hurtful can
really tear apart, people really

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fast and so yeah, wanted to just
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awareness to this than like I
don't think it's really talked

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about enough.
Yeah, it is.

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Any more acceptable way of being
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Yeah, being just terrible, not
loving it.

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Yeah, yeah, unlovely unloving.
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Um, so where would you like to
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Where does this love that?
We're talking about that we can

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walk in every day.
Where does that originated in

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come from?
Yeah, that's a great question

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looking through scripture.
I think the two places that were

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really highlighted to me, when I
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my life group was John 15, and
First, John four, and so in John

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15, I might read a couple verses
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I'm not going to read the whole
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Bible.
Flip Flip, Flip, Flip Flop.

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So, John 15 is kind of known as
the like abide.

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Passage people like, to quote
has just abide in Jesus lab

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lied.
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Great passage couple things that
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Verse 4, says, remain in me as I
also remain in you no Branch can

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bear.
Fruit by itself, it must remain

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in the Vine.
Fine.

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Neither, can you bear fruit
unless you remain in me?

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This is NIV if anybody cares.
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Yeah.
So just the idea, fruitfulness

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comes from abiding in the Lord
and I'm just going to skip down

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a little bit to verse 10.
It says, if you keep can keep my

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commands, you will remain in my
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Just as I have kept my father's
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and then skip down a little
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Same chapter verse 17 says, this
is my command love each other

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and so When I was kind of just
meditating on this, passage it

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just hit me.
Like we literally do not have

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the strength and the capacity to
just love people the way that we

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should that fruitfulness.
Like that fruit of actually

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loving comes from the Lord
himself and from abiding in him,

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like he didn't love him first.
He loved us first.

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And that, that started our
capacity to love and not to be

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cheesy.
I might reference Myra scurvy

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reference.
You can do that.

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Okay, Jimmy like this.
Example.

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Yeah, kind of like like a tiny
tiny little scoby forming in

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Kombucha the Lord's love life.
You don't notice.

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Kobe is just look it up on the
internet, crazy stuff, literally

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crazy.
You probably need to know for

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this to be efficient.
So anyway the way like love

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starts, his God literally
Reveals His love to us and we

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start like this.
Tiny little tiny little scoby of

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love in our hearts and we're To
walk in that were called to

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actually actively obey and walk
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That is starting to be produced
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of like fermenting in this unit.
This little more carbonated a

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little delicious.
Yeah, we act out in love.

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We actively love others and walk
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In that end, in that walking
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We just love for the Lord is
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even more and it's like pouring
and Duty for that murata Camuto.

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And yeah, and then it starts all
over our love towards the Lord

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grows.
He shows us more of his love and

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that in turn creates even
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then have to choose to walk in
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the cycle of loving, God.
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me to you first.
John four got a good Flip

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flippity.
Flip Flip, Flip flippity Flop,

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slot was living in flip-flop.
So Chapter 4, verses 7 through

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21 talks, so much about I'm not
going to read the whole thing,

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but there is so much in here is
like, you do not love God.

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If you do not love others and
you do love God.

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If you love others, you don't
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Very strong support.
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And yeah, it says, it says we
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that's kind of that little
little beginning fermentation.

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And anyone who loves God must
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sister.
And so we are so called to love

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the world were called to love,
non-believers and Believers that

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like it is so highlighted, like
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It is so important that we are
loving each other.

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I think there's some times an
emphasis on Christians to love

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non-believers in to love them
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It's like man that's great
that's beautiful that's got to

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start within own family.
Of God if you can't love your

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brother and sister, what example
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And also, scripture says, like,
yeah, even heathens love people

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who love them.
Yeah, but we are called to love

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those who do not love us.
Yeah, just heard that Lucas

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morning, that's crazy.
Yeah, Yeah, it's so simple yet

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the church misses it so often
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church as a whole if the church
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Yeah.
And a lot of people have, a lot

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of church hurts been bitter.
Like you know, actually the

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church was super unwelcoming to
me and I felt the opposite of

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loved you know.
I'm not going to go back.

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Yeah.
And so this is something so

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simple.
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And we always forget it like,
oh, we're just have to deepen my

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quiet time.
I just have to serve more at

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church.
I just have To do more things.

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It's one command, very simple.
He fills us with his love.

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Yeah, which is why it's a
tasting guys comes from.

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Yeah, so I have quite a few
examples of this even as I'm

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currently working customer
service, but how do we love

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others practically?
Even like when they are very

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difficult, people very difficult
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That is a great question and I
think something that like Man

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something God has been teaching
me recently which I think has

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been like changed my mindset and
I think is pretty broad enough

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that it can be applied to any
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Actually happened over spring
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So, over spring break, I went to
Washington State and myself had.

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I cannot wait to go there.
Someday, it's beautiful, do it.

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So it was, it was really
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I was going to stay with some
friends and I knew that I was

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going to be like airports and on
ferries and just a lot of

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traveling by myself.
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anxious just to be around all
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Don't know.
But man I mean first I think

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it's first John four.
I think that's where this person

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is this.
Perfect, love casts out.

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Yes, that's exactly 4 verse 18.
Whoo School baubles.

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Yeah, I think thinking about
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It's like, oh, God's perfect
left for me, cast out any fear,

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but it's also our our perfect
love enabled by God.

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Cast out fear from loving other
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You know what I'm saying?
Yes, we're able to love other

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people that cat.
Without fear from them.

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And I was asking God to give me
a mindset of God, how do I love

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people that I've just met?
I don't know anything about more

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or whatever that may be and he
gave me some good things.

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So I'm just going to read one
verse from Genesis 1:27.

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It says so God created Mankind
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In the image of God, he created
them male and female, he created

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them and Just the idea of like
all of humanity, whether saved

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or not saved to some extent
Bears, the image of God, it's

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been broken and distorted by sin
and there is like a regeneration

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in a renewal in being a
Christian and able to walk that

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out.
More beautiful and more

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perfectly but even non-believers
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I really found that in.
Going out out to Washington,

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says actually, staying with a
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just like Just the beauty of
finding it image of God in her

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and just really, like, excuse
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So the butcher is the butcher.
Probably finding the image of

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God in someone like fixating on
the things that are, that are

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best about them.
That are lovely, that are

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beautiful, that are man, just
like what God sees when he looks

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at people, like to ask the Lord,
for his eyes for that.

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And to look for those good
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to fixate on them, not to fix it
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Oh my gosh.
This is challenging.

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And I really don't like this
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is hard and man choosing to have
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And a lot of this is again, like
I say choosing but it's also

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very prayerfully knowing that I
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these things.
It's asking for his perspective

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for yeah, foremost because we
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Yeah.
And like his strength is

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sustaining power to do it
because we can do nothing or no.

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And we can't bear this fruit of
Love, on our own.

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But like, looking for those
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with it, I'm going to flip to
Romans 12 flippity, flop.

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Flop.
Flip flop.

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Flip flop flip.
Last time I open my bible just

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opened right to it now,
actually, I feel now it's

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broken.
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chapter.
It it's it really focuses in on

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love, even even like the title
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Here is like love and action and
I prefer Romans 12 over First

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Corinthians 13.
So I know First Corinthians 13.

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It is like the iconic love
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It's so good.
It kind of says what love is and

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then Romans 12 really puts that
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Well, here's some action of what
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So before we jump into that at
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12:3 through eight words,
talking about the gifts that God

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has given to us and not to think
of ourselves more highly than we

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ought.
But in like humility to Value

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others more than ourselves will
harness are actually from

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Philippians, but It's all part
of the same Bible what it says,

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but rather think of yourself
with sober judgment in

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accordance with the faith God
has get got his distributed to

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each of you.
And it talks about how just as

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we are each a member of God's
like Christ's body to Value each

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body part, you know, to Value
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prophecy and giving and
cheerfulness and whatever.

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comes Comes to specifically the

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body of Christ and even even
non-believers we can look for

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like these good God traits that
maybe they don't fully know, but

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you're looking for these good
guy traits but in believer

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specifically like looking for
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calling those things out.
Highlighting them, fixing our

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eyes on those things and just
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Lord, through that person's like
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Like Lord.
I see your cheerfulness and just

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how joyful this really happy
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Maybe they're so peppy it drives
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But too, Fix-It to fix your eyes
on their cheerfulness and bagman

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to joy of the Lord.
In this person is evident and

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like to really actively love
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You know, a loving God through
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You notice that little little
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Yeah.
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But I answer your question, you
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I've been thinking about that a

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lot even as I'm helping
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the store I work at and I've
been thinking like I cannot

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assume at all.
All as I don't know them.

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So like when they walk in I
could be like oh I know this

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type of family by just looking
at them but that is really

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inherently sinful because I am
like putting a label on them

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before I even talk to them or
meet them, I'm not thinking like

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Lord give me your perspective of
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Give you the me, your
perspective of this person who

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walks in and what do they need
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And I want to do my best not
just for like a paycheck or not

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just for my job.
My job sake but also like I want

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to serve the people who walk in
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I want to love them as you have
and I want to make their day

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better when they walk in.
Yeah I think we've all had that

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moment customer service.
Really that person was so nice

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how these are really in.
You just walk out you here a

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little bit ago work at Walmart
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So what are some examples of
loving well?

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And then, what are some examples
of not so well, I'll fix that.

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Yeah, we'll look at well first.
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Do that first.
So go back to Romans 12.

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So now just like the second half
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cool that talks about the gifts
of everybody and then goes into

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love and action.
So Romans 9 through Romans

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chapter 12, thwarted me go nine
through 21.

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I'm going to just read through
portions of it and just kind of

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like listen for some of these
action words.

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OK, I'll close my eyes.
Okay, so much, you're better.

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Yes, I'm just going to start
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Oh my gosh. 12:9.
So just listen to some of these

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like action words as we go
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So first starts with love, must
be sincere, hate what is evil

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cling to what is good, be
devoted to one another in love

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honor.
One another above yourselves,

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never be lacking in Zeal, but
keep your spiritual fervor

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serving the lord be joyful in.
Hope, patient in Affliction

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faithful in prayer.
Share with the Lord's people who

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are in need in practice.
Hospitality bless those who

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persecute It, you bless and do
not curse Rejoice with those who

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rejoice and mourn with those who
mourn live in harmony with one

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another.
Do not be proud but be willing

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to associate with people of low
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Do not be conceited.
Do not repay anyone evil for

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evil, but be careful to do what
is right in the eyes of

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everyone, if it is possible, as
far as it depends on you, live

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at peace with everyone do not
take revenge my dear friends,

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but leave room for God's Wrath
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It is mine to avenge.
And I will repay says the Lord

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on the contrary, if your enemy
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If he is thirsty, give him
something to drink and this is

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Andrew, so you'll keep burning
coals on his head.

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Whoo, so funny not stop and just
finishes do not be overcome by

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evil, but overcome evil with
good, mmm-hmm.

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So I think just like good
examples in there, that really

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like, stand out to me our
devotion and honor Harmony

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humility, like and even like not
seeking revenge and not trying

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to like this is kind of getting
it to the bad example to of

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passive-aggressive any, but not
trying to like take revenge or

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try to have your own way or just
not being self-seeking.

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Like I think love is really just
the opposite of being self

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seeking but it's rejoicing in
another person rejoicing with

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them morning with them.
I've heard it's a lot easier to

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mourn with those who mourn that
it is to Rejoice with those who

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rejoice when you're not
rejoicing.

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You know, let's say your friend
is this is this is not how I

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feel towards you.
Your friends getting married and

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you're just bitter about it
because you're still single.

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It's just so hard to Rejoice.
It's easier to be kind of angry

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towards that person almost in
your heart and this is where

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passive-aggressively can start
seeping into your life.

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Yes, I'm so excited to get into
that party.

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I just can't wait to.
We're just at this example, just

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came to me, but that's where
that bitterness starts taking

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into your heart and you almost
are being passive-aggressive

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towards that person yet, but you
never address your true feelings

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of how you're feeling or how the
other person is affected.

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Acting that.
But I mean, in that example, I

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mean, it has nothing to do with
the other person, you know, has

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nothing to do with their Joy
with you were called, literally,

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you and your comparison?
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And your own, your own sin that
you need to deal with and you're

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in your call to Rejoice with
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You know, you're called to lift
them up and honor them and still

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be devoted to them in love and
get just too full on jump into

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the opposite of love.
Yeah, passive-aggressive.

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It is so simple because it's
just tears people apart and it

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like it just causes you to
fixate on Yourself and see

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things just from your point of
view, okay?

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You know, because you're never
addressing anything with anyone

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else.
You see things, you interpret

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them your way and then you
respond.

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But never in a very, not
confrontational enough.

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Yeah.
That somebody could be like,

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hey, like I'm sorry that I made
you feel this way because of

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that, like, let's talk about it,
you know, it doesn't start a

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conversation, it starts, it
starts fights.

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You know, that little bit of
like starts that that feeling in

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your chest that you're like not
this is not right.

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Between us is not the same and
not write.

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It builds tension and builds
walls between people rather than

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like tearing down those walls in
mining like, common ground and

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Reconciliation.
Reconcile is one of those things

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that is so accepted in Christian
circles because it's kind of

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silly, it's kind of it comes
across in a lot of like witty

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sarcastic comments that are
actually tearing people down

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rather than building them up.
And I've seen that a lot even

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Like Justin, like in leadership.
Sometimes you see that more like

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the people like that you're
leaving, it's so easy to see it

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there but then it's hard to
almost check your heart and see

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it with your peers.
You know what I'm saying?

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Is like, if it's somebody who's
being passive-aggressive

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passive-aggressive to you as a
peer, sometimes it's hard to

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address that with them because
you're like why are you like

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sometimes?
Like all of a sudden this

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tension between you and your
friend?

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And you're like, I wonder why
they're being this way towards

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me but there's never really
something done.

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That you could be like, hey like
you left me in a Walmart parking

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lot like what was that about,
you know.

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Yeah but it comes across these
like snippy comments that you're

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never able really to fully
address with the person.

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And yeah I've personally just
started like like calling it out

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a little more.
Like if people are passive

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aggressive to me, not responding
in that same manner because

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that's what feels it is.
Someone is passive aggressive

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toward you says something kind
of shady kind of didn't feel

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right.
Place of Love Now, But not

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responding in the language
because that's that's the

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trigger.
You get triggered to be like oh

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I need to have a like a little
sassy kind of witty little bit

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hurtful, scathing comment back
and so easy to want to do that

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because that's like cool.
That's trendy to be like oh

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who's the wittiest?
Most sarcastic, funny person.

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And yet and instead, you know be
like, hey, did you really mean

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that?
You know, like if someone says

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something were there, I see
that.

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A lot where someone will pretend
to be angry about something

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that's not a big deal, but a
yellow key are angry about Other

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things maybe.
Yeah, like I think sitting with

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each other.
Here's an example.

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Give me sitting with each other.
Yes.

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So say you're sitting.
We're going to say Chapel.

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This is not a real scenario.
Anyone from our school who may

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be listening, not a real
example, but just something that

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I feel could be a very real
example.

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Say you're sitting in Chapel,
you're sitting next to some

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friends and you are expecting
your friend to come sit with

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you, but they're just go sit
with another friend because

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their friends are sitting
another spot and it literally

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means nothing but after Will you
go up to them?

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And like so you didn't sit with
me and like I had like no like

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wow like or whatever.
You know like kind of.

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Wow.
Thought we were friends.

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Yeah, we were friends know.
I'm black.

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I smell like uncomfortable.
It's like skating like trying to

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get at each other for something
so stupid and Petty.

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Like that's really what
passive-aggressively gets out to

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get such Petty things.
It's like Let It Go, man, like

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literally Let It Go.
That's not mature, that's not

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loving, that's not kind like Let
that childishness go.

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I feel like I'm just like, man,
coughing it up like your child

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is pettiness.
It goes, it's more accepted in

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Christian circles.
Yeah, because we know that being

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flat out aggressive is not
loving.

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Yeah, it's an obvious thing and
we don't know how to do conflict

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resolutions for so scared of it.
You know, we're scared to be

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00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,200
confrontational.
It's real like that's not smell.

445
00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:19,400
Very sweet and christianly but
this is nice pretty.

446
00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:20,500
It's the most loving thing.
Yeah.

447
00:23:20,500 --> 00:23:23,500
There's sometimes.
But you have it.

448
00:23:23,500 --> 00:23:26,600
No sir in those circumstances
like say someone was to be mad

449
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,100
at me for not sitting with them
or that season pass aggressive

450
00:23:29,100 --> 00:23:31,000
things.
Be like, are you actually upset

451
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,100
that I didn't sit with you and
you should people be it?

452
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:35,200
Oh no, I wasn't.
Actually that said be like, hey,

453
00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:37,000
actually your comments, made it
really come across.

454
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:41,000
Like, you were, like, I didn't
say with you because I wanted to

455
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,500
sit with this friend and like I
didn't realize that you were

456
00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:46,000
like her by that.
You know are saying like

457
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,100
actually addressing it or
something else that you're mad

458
00:23:49,100 --> 00:23:50,000
at me about.
Yeah.

459
00:23:50,100 --> 00:23:52,100
Did I do anything to upset you?
Yeah.

460
00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,500
A different time.
And trust me that will shut

461
00:23:54,500 --> 00:23:57,300
down.
And they'll be like, oh, so I

462
00:23:57,300 --> 00:24:00,400
can't get away with this here.
I can't get away with my

463
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:04,400
childish, behavior.
How do I function?

464
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,200
How do I function?
Yeah, no, I think, I think, too.

465
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,700
You have to have to be careful
to do that in a loving way to,

466
00:24:10,700 --> 00:24:13,300
not to just call somebody out.
In the huge group of you're

467
00:24:13,300 --> 00:24:22,500
being passive-aggressive, and
number one challenge, Shaming

468
00:24:22,500 --> 00:24:25,200
them in front of people.
But you are almost kind of like

469
00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,200
is talking about in chapter 12
where it talks about like

470
00:24:28,700 --> 00:24:30,600
keeping those burning coals of
Shame.

471
00:24:30,800 --> 00:24:34,600
What's up of like calling them
out of like me and your actions

472
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:36,900
are actually wrong.
Like oh I didn't know you're

473
00:24:36,900 --> 00:24:39,000
actually upset about that.
Like let's talk about that that

474
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,600
kind of starts that like almost
kind of ashamed of like oh my

475
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:45,100
gosh I literally have been
acting so petty about this

476
00:24:45,100 --> 00:24:46,800
thing.
It wasn't a big deal that you

477
00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:48,600
didn't sit with me.
I'm not mad about it.

478
00:24:48,900 --> 00:24:52,000
Why the heck did I make such a
beam actually just upset because

479
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,600
Has my day actually before.
That was terrible for some

480
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:56,300
reason or I just wanted
attention.

481
00:24:56,300 --> 00:25:00,100
Yeah so passive-aggressive T
usually comes out from a place

482
00:25:00,100 --> 00:25:04,100
of wanting attention and being
seen and wanting to be whatever.

483
00:25:04,100 --> 00:25:09,400
Yeah.
Yeah as Karina and I are both

484
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,400
Student Life advisor.
Currently we had a special guest

485
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,300
at our life group, the other
night and this lady is so wise.

486
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,200
She's in her 60s.
Yeah, no.

487
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,300
She just turned 70.
She did.

488
00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:24,100
Yeah, she did.
June. 7th is a lot of wisdom and

489
00:25:24,100 --> 00:25:27,500
she said she was like, I just
want to call out that I've

490
00:25:27,500 --> 00:25:31,300
noticed around campus and around
Christian circles that there

491
00:25:31,300 --> 00:25:36,200
just seems to be this need to
need to be the wittiest person

492
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,900
at the table and have the final
say, have the smartest comment

493
00:25:39,900 --> 00:25:41,900
at the end.
She's like, and that's just not

494
00:25:41,900 --> 00:25:44,000
lovely.
And it was so cool that she

495
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,500
said, lovely because in
Philippians 4:8, when Paul

496
00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:51,100
lists, all these things that we
should dwell on with our minds

497
00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:54,000
he's like whatever is True Noble
pure, right?

498
00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,800
He includes lovely in that list
which we just barely hear that

499
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:00,200
word anymore.
It's like our is what we're

500
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,500
thinking.
Lovely if we're thinking, like

501
00:26:02,700 --> 00:26:05,400
I'm so jealous of my friend
who's getting married and I am

502
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,000
so bitter that I'm still single.
Why isn't this working out or

503
00:26:08,008 --> 00:26:09,500
something?
That's coming from a place of

504
00:26:09,500 --> 00:26:12,100
insecurity and it will not come
out.

505
00:26:12,100 --> 00:26:14,200
Lovely is what your dwelling on?
Lovely.

506
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,600
So that's good.
That's Stevie Wonder song.

507
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:33,900
Isn't She Lovely?
Then see what wonderful exactly

508
00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:40,600
goes is.
That making one is nothing, is

509
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,900
she?
Oh, it's crazy.

510
00:26:44,900 --> 00:26:46,600
He calls his daughter.
Lovely.

511
00:26:46,700 --> 00:26:50,400
And he's never seen her
loveliness isn't about site.

512
00:26:50,400 --> 00:27:05,000
It's about being
I remember when we were talking

513
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,100
about this, you said that
especially within teams and

514
00:27:09,100 --> 00:27:12,400
churches, like we just need to
Value being a part of the group

515
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:16,500
and not want this lust, for
being in a certain position in

516
00:27:16,500 --> 00:27:21,800
the group, the best or the
smartest, or the wittiest, or

517
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,500
the one.
Always has something to say,

518
00:27:23,500 --> 00:27:26,200
like, we just need to Value
being a part of the group.

519
00:27:26,200 --> 00:27:27,800
Yeah.
And just doing what your created

520
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,900
to do.
Like all those gifts that Paul

521
00:27:29,900 --> 00:27:33,600
lists in Romans 12.
So, touch on that, a little bit.

522
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,400
Yeah, go ahead in our inter
inter cultural Ministry prep

523
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,600
class.
They touched on being a good

524
00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:42,100
follower and how we are not
taught.

525
00:27:42,100 --> 00:27:44,100
Especially in America, we're
never taught what?

526
00:27:44,100 --> 00:27:46,000
It's what it's like to be a good
follower.

527
00:27:46,300 --> 00:27:48,200
It's always about being a leader
being the one that's leading

528
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:50,900
being the one in charge, like
leaving, well, all these things,

529
00:27:50,900 --> 00:27:54,200
but man to be a Good follower
like lifts up those who are

530
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:55,800
leaving you?
Yes, enjoy them.

531
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:57,500
Yeah.
You're an important valuable

532
00:27:57,500 --> 00:28:00,200
part of it, you just not getting
the recognition and the

533
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:03,600
attention of the person in
leadership and that's okay.

534
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,100
You know like we're sometimes
called to follow to submit to

535
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:09,300
that leadership or even like
like in a group like something

536
00:28:09,300 --> 00:28:13,300
as like as unstructured as just
a friend group say you've got

537
00:28:13,300 --> 00:28:17,500
like you're just most
charismatic friend that you feel

538
00:28:17,500 --> 00:28:20,400
like you're competing with the.
Some extent of like I want to be

539
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,000
charismatic.
I want to be the most like

540
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:23,800
Funding.
And all of this again is

541
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,700
subconscious.
You're not always aware of all

542
00:28:25,700 --> 00:28:29,700
of this happening but being
willing to like to just laugh at

543
00:28:29,700 --> 00:28:33,100
their joke without a comeback
and just like appreciate that

544
00:28:33,100 --> 00:28:34,800
about them that they are
signing.

545
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,600
And I love that they're shining
Rejoice with those who Rejoice,

546
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:41,500
you know, and lift them up, lift
up their gifts and like if

547
00:28:41,500 --> 00:28:43,800
that's the culture you're
building in your community and

548
00:28:43,800 --> 00:28:46,600
in your friendships like that is
what will come back to you as

549
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:48,800
well, you know what I'm saying?
Like, you reap what?

550
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,200
You sow?
Yes.

551
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:51,100
Yes.
What you?

552
00:28:51,100 --> 00:29:00,700
So glad Coco Go.
I was made for this life.

553
00:29:00,700 --> 00:29:05,600
She said she didn't say she was
nervous at all guys, most people

554
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,200
when they're on the I'm a little
nervous At first.

555
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:08,500
She wasn't nervous.
She was nervous.

556
00:29:08,500 --> 00:29:12,300
I'm talking to a phone and an
engine in her car.

557
00:29:12,300 --> 00:29:14,900
Yeah, I got a windy Lake.
Yeah, it's very beautiful.

558
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,500
Yeah, go push like a bush.
Like, well, what is the last

559
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:20,000
challenge?
You would give to the people

560
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,000
listening of like, wow.
How do I apply this?

561
00:29:22,100 --> 00:29:25,700
My life now.
Yeah, well I think definitely

562
00:29:25,700 --> 00:29:29,000
reflecting and taking that time
with the Lord and surrender.

563
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,600
So what I did with my life group
is we took time and went through

564
00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,200
all of the passages that I
mentioned.

565
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:39,800
So John 15 first John four
Romans 12 and I guess Genesis

566
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:41,600
1:27 but it's just that one
verse.

567
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,600
But really spend time in that
second part of Romans, 12 of

568
00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:50,200
looking at the things that are
love and action and even find

569
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,900
your own love pass.
Passages in the Bible.

570
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:56,600
And there's lots of them in the
New Testament and just allowing

571
00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:00,900
the spirit to convict and show
you where you are being immature

572
00:30:00,900 --> 00:30:02,500
and not loving well and your
life.

573
00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:05,900
Those places that need
strengthening and growth and

574
00:30:05,900 --> 00:30:10,000
need to be weeded and pruned and
are find how your bod.

575
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:12,100
Yeah.
And to surrender those areas to

576
00:30:12,100 --> 00:30:15,700
the Lord, you know, to to to
abide in the Lord and to ask him

577
00:30:15,700 --> 00:30:18,200
to cover those weaknesses
because you can't just be like,

578
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:20,300
wow, I'm extremely passive
aggressive.

579
00:30:20,300 --> 00:30:21,800
I'm just going to stop being
passive.

580
00:30:22,500 --> 00:30:24,800
Yeah, that's probably warmer
executable.

581
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:26,500
That's a terrible way to go
about it.

582
00:30:26,900 --> 00:30:29,300
But to repent of that you known
to be specific.

583
00:30:29,300 --> 00:30:32,500
If it's if it's to specific
people, you need to repent,

584
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:37,300
being being open to do that.
But repenting with the Lord just

585
00:30:37,300 --> 00:30:39,800
coming before him in confession
and in humility.

586
00:30:40,100 --> 00:30:42,800
And in surrender surrendering
that those areas to him,

587
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:47,300
trusting that he will supply the
strength, he will supply the

588
00:30:47,300 --> 00:30:51,000
ability to have the fruit of
love in areas where you're not

589
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:53,400
loving very well.
That's so good.

590
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,600
So so good.
Thank you for sharing all that.

591
00:30:56,900 --> 00:31:00,600
Yes, I'm so glad you were
finally on this body before you

592
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,000
fly off.
But wow, thank you for sharing.

593
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,800
I know everyone who listens to.
This will also love it because

594
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,700
this is a message that the
church needs to hear more often.

595
00:31:10,300 --> 00:31:11,700
So thank you so much for
sharing.

596
00:31:12,300 --> 00:31:14,400
So we're going to be signing off
here.

597
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:17,600
This is no idea podcast with
Renny.

598
00:31:17,700 --> 00:31:21,900
I'm just kidding, Corinna.
Yeah, pardon me and Jenny sign.

599
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,100
In off, see you around.