March 30, 2025

S2E5 AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME FOR THAT-SPECIAL GUEST ELENA CALDERON COOKE

S2E5 AIN'T NOBODY GOT TIME FOR THAT-SPECIAL GUEST ELENA CALDERON COOKE
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D&G welcome our Special Guest Elena Calderon Cooke for our favorite segment. 'Ain't Nobody Got Time For That' where we bring in people to share their journey through life at 'This Age' (Side note-we had a 'Technical Glitch' at the end of this episode BUT we explain it to death in the beginning) We discuss everything from our connected past as relatives and neighbors to 'Pizza Rats' , riding bikes in 28 degree weather, to reinventing during our 'Mid Lives" Check out our podcast on Apple, Spotify or wherever you pod. Also on BLUESKY donandgarydoin60@bsky.social Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7oawJ1N... YouTube! / @pafifer-pod Want to join us on a future episode? Have a question or comment for us? Email: DonandGaryDoin60@gmail.com Please like, comment, and subscribe ALL THE SOCIALS and PODCASTS BELOW https://linktr.ee/PafiferPodcastProdu...
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Can you hear me, Hi, fans, this is Don, Don

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and Gary doing sixty and that would make me Gary. Yeah,

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and that'd make me Don Gary. As co executive producer

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of the show, we did discuss whether or not we

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should air this episode because of the glitch at the end,

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the technical glitch that happens at the end with Elena.

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Except but that's out of our control. The great thing

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is that the bulk of a interview is good. Intact,

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it's the last couple of minutes that we lost.

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Yeah, Unfortunately, she disappears in the last five minutes of

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the episode, and if you wanted, we could rant for

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five minutes about us just talking to her without having

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any dialogue. That's kind of funny too, but we cut

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it out.

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Was it the part where she was praising us and

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telling us how beautiful and friendly and amazing we are. Yes,

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because I could do that. But yeah, No, it was

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a bumber, But it was a fun union for the

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three of us because you haven't seen or talked to

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her in years. I haven't seen her talked to her

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in years, even though we're all connected on Facebook. But

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it was a special episode for me. Even though all

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of them are special, but this one had because both

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of us are tied into her. It was great.

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Yes, So we just want to let you know, are

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amazing fans, that there is a rough cut at the

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very end where we go right from talking to her

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to our ending segment.

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So don't be alarmed, your Thalmum Louise, and we just

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drove off the cliff.

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We just drove off the cliff, so as we will.

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Again saying our first cliff.

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Hi do you ho?

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Gary? Hurry?

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Dona? Are you good? You look good?

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Well? I just came out of the shower so and

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I shaved, so you know.

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I just did my Brazilian blowout, took it out of

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the dishwashers, shook it twice and put it on the

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top of my head. I way to go. How are

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you feeling?

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I was just telling you that this colder cough that

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I caught two weeks ago is still with me. Wow,

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the residual and there's I don't have allergies, and there's

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nothing in the air that's, you know, impacting me. I

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don't know what it is.

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I don't know. I've had it for a long time too.

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It was allergies for me, and it was of course

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ritual from the fires that are finally you know, under

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control a bit, which is nice. Yeah, maybe we're just

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getting older.

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Who knows. I know that other people that have gotten sick.

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It's kind of lingering on longer than normal. And early

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on I did take a home COVID test just to

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make sure, and it was negative. So of course, and

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I've been because I worked from home. I'm I'm indoors

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and by myself a lot, so it's not like I'm

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out in the you know, in the crowds.

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Maybe you need to dust.

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Oh I see, okay, well know because okay, I remember

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your house has those tall columns that separate rooms.

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They could be pretty dusty. I'm not saying that they are.

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I'm sure you're very clean and very meticulous about.

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The type of thing, you know, like a lot of us.

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I could bag cleaner.

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Because I mean, dust affects me whenever we go whenever

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I go into that new bathroom. We just finished ice

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sneeze for some reason, So there's something in there that Wait,

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have we turned into those old guys that just covetch

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about all our maladies? Now?

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Sure?

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Why not?

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That's okay? So what are we talking about this week?

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Well, let's start with our intro that we haven't technically

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done yet, which is this is Donn and Gary doing

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sixty right, and I will actually wrote it down this time.

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We're here to unwrap an unpack navigating the world at

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this age, which in our case is over sixty. We

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do have a special guest joining us in a few minutes,

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and we'll talk about that. I'm very excited about her

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coming on. But I want to check in since we

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last spoke. How is your week? What'd you been up to?

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Tell me? Tell me the highlights?

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Not much the highlight Honest, we had a house guests

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for a week or so. My husband's in laws were

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here with their daughter, so they actually stayed with us

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for a few nights. They went down to Palm Springs

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and spent the rest of the week, came back, took

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off on a plane, and they're gone again. So no

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one guests. Yeah, so it was fine, works work, you.

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Know, did you all go down to Palm Springs for

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just them?

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No? Just them?

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Okay?

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And then of course you know there everyone comes to

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hear things that we lived next door to La, which

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we do not. We are not Angelino's. We are South

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Bay people. So of course they want to do all

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of the South Bay things, which include going to the

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Hollywood Sign, Griffith Park, Rodeo Drive, which is you know,

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come on, it's not all that, so let them do that.

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Go take your road trip. Unfortunately, a lot of it

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was closed off due to the past fires. So you

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can go to the Getty Both Getty's are closed right now.

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It was fine, It was fine. It was great to

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see them. We had a wonderful time, you know, wonderful

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house guests. They're wonderful. We love them very much.

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Well, you know me, I'm not one to brag or

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neighbor Yeah, okay, yesterday I was invited to a meeting

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our new mayor of San Francisco asked to meet with

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the program director from the Fire Department that runs the

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volunteer program that I've been a part of called Inert

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Neighborhood Emergency Response Team. And so he said he's coming

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at Friday two o'clock. You want to join us. I said, sure,

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I'm thinking we're going to be sitting in a room

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three four people chatting with the mayor. It turned into

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a media extravaganza. The fire chief. The new fire chief

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was there, plus his full command staff woman who is

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the director for the Department of Emergency Management. They're like

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the top dogs when it comes to any disasters or

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any big events San Francisco. She was there, media was there.

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So when the mayor pulled up, it was myself and

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another volunteer in our uniforms surrounded by a bunch of

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fire chiefs all in their uniforms. You would have thought

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we were at either some sort of graduation celebratory celebration

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ceremony or a funeral for some of the fun because

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it was like full on everyone with their suits and

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the hats and the badges and so we did have

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a you know, presentation through the mayor, and then we

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took him outside and did a couple of hands on

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demonstrations of drills. So I work with him on putting

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out a small fire. So I posted on this morning

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on Instagram and Facebook some of the images from that.

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So it was kind of fun, you know, just hanging

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out with the fire chief and the mayor, you know.

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Your hob nobbin and knob hobbin, can I say?

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Yeah? So it was fun. But other than that, he

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has just been you know, work as usual and working

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from home, which has been great since I don't have

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to commute anymore, staying inside. I don't know about down there,

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but up here, it has been granted, is winter, so

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one would expect it to be, you know, chillier. Really Yeah,

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I don't know what the heck is going on. I

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sit on my sofa like covered in a blanket with

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a space heater, you know. And then if I'm in

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the car and put my hands up to the to

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the air vents so I can eat a warm up.

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What's become of me? You know? Maybe because I've lost weight,

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I've lost all my insulation.

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Could be it could very well be that, you know

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what I mean. So let's do this. Let's take a

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real quick break. Yes, I come back because I want

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to pick up this conversation before our guest joins us. Okay, okay,

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many and back, and it's Gary said before. We're here

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to unwrap and unpack navigating the world at this age,

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don't for you get You can find us on Apple

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Podcasts and spot you can add.

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That completelyasy for you to say.

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Well not. You can find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify,

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and wherever amazing podcasts are found. We're on Instagram, at

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Donn and Gary doing sixty and on YouTube at Donn

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and Gary doing sixty under Pfifer Pod. Don't forget that

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we'd like you to like and subscribe. So thanks Gary.

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I'm sorry. I just had to put that in there

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real quick. Now let's go back to what's going on.

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You had a milestone again, didn't you?

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So I didn't tell you or are viewers and audience

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members at our The last time we recorded was that

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we recorded on Sunday with the day before. I did

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my usual way in and you know, so on I

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hit the forty pound lost mark.

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That is amazing, which.

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I was hoping it would have happened in December at

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the six month mark. But you know, it's the holidays, and.

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You're doing it safely, you're doing wisely, you're doing it

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with a lot of education. Again, so congratulations.

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Yeah, so it felt good to like, you know, oh

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my god, I'm at the forty pounds, you know, Mark.

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So how do you feel about it?

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I was very excited, I mean.

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Because it's a little bit right.

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What's that?

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Is it emotional at all for you? I mean? Or

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just a good feeling? Yeah?

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I think just a good feeling. You know, it's kind

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of like a little bit of literally and vigorously some

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weight has been dropped off the shoulder, just because you know,

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last year this time when I'm like, okay, I'm I'm

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at the gym regularly and I'm you know, when I'm

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trying to eat well healthy and do my workouts, and

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I wasn't seeing any progress, and it just felt very deflating, like,

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you know, why am I doing all this? I'm not

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seeing any results. It was just frustrating. So don't skip ahead,

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you know, have the aseempic. Conversations start on that. And

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then I've been keeping track of the journey and December

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was the only month where I didn't lose weight. But

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then I said, you know what it was holidays. You're

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not on your regular schedule of eating, and you know

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you're you're going to do a lot of social events

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where there's you know, more snacky type things. So maybe

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wouldn't be my first choice to have a couple sliders,

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right as opposed to you know, a protein and some

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grossed vegetats.

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You take the bun off the slider and just call

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it a protein.

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And honey, I never take the bun off. No, the

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bun is where it's at.

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Then that's the title of this episode. The bun is

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where it's at.

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You haven't lived ll you've had a bun but no, no,

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so you obviously just moderation and you know, try try

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and try and be good.

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Yes, but I mean that's a good thing. And again,

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like I said, you're doing it the wise way. I

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think we're going to make another episode out of Ozembic

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in general, because I'm we'll go down this road another time.

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But there's a lot of advertising now for golp ones. Yeah,

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so we'll go down there again. But you're doing it

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the right way. Congratulations, you bought some new clothes, right.

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I did well because all the clothes I had were

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very baggy. And then so I took inventory. I start

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with pants for and I looked at and the wais

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sizes were like all too big, and I'd put him on,

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and you know, I'd put the belt on and to

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the tightest all the way, all the way, and it's like, God,

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these are so bagging. There's so much fabric here, So

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I'm not gonna go overboard. But I did buy about

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four new pair of pants and a couple of sweaters.

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Lovely and so.

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Yeah, it just felt good to like when I put

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it on, it's like, oh wow, this is like because

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the other pants, I mean, without a belt, they will

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just fall off and we can't help we don't have that.

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I got to stop you for one second. Someone's scratching

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my door. I gotta let him in. Okay, it's not

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it's not my husband.

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Yah, who's the mystery guest. It's Rocket, Hey, Rocket.

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It's it's a rocket and he was scratching at my door.

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So yeah, so sorry, third guest. He'll just be a

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quiet part of the guest thing.

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So yeah, and how many other guess none of the

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other guests have licked you.

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Well, not for for free, right and paid.

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Them either, so right, exactly.

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Yeah, So I'm sorry back to this. I didn't mean

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to interrupt with that.

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That's fine.

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Yeah, So I'm so happy for you. But it's fun

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to go out and buy new stuff, right, well.

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For sure, yeah, because you know, the first time went

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to the store. As soon as I walk in, there's

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a table with some pants laid out, and like, oh

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I like that one. I'm like, God, but what size

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am I gonna wear? I guessed, Like, well, let me

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try this one.

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Well everything that fits differently too, you know, nothing in

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size the way it's supposed to be.

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Yeah, yeah, so yeah, And actually the first one I

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tried on was like, okay, I'll take it in the

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blue and the green. So yeah, so it was it was,

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it was fun, and I'll just kind of hold off

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on that. I've I have a whole big stack of

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pants on a chair over there that have already been laundered,

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you know, once they're in my closet, and the drawers

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that I'm going to donate, and then I'll do the

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same thing with you know, shirts and sweaters and things.

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And I got a ton of shoes that you know,

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I can still wear them because the weight loss doesn't

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make a difference. But I got weight. I don't know

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about you, but I've got way too many shoes.

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Yeah, I got way too many everything. Actually, I've got shirts, sweaters,

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jacket stuff I gotta go through. It might be time

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to do some spring cleaning myself. Yeah, and I think,

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you know, you know, I don't I wouldn't beat myself

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up about jumping onto the exercise wheel again because I

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literally have not jumped onto my my rower for a

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while now. Because it's just house guessed things to do

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getting through the renovation.

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All these excuses that I've been, Yeah, you've had a

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lot of projects and things going on.

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I feel rocket, I feel like, sorry, he's licking places

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he shouldn't be down.

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Please. It's a family show, isn't it.

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But it's the I've been, not as an excuse, but

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it's just definitely been distracting to not be get back

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into the routine that I want to get back into. So,

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you know, so what January's over almost sec in February exactly,

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never start you can never stop start stop stop stop starting. Yeah, sure,

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when out Okay, we'll go with that.

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Looking at the clock. Our guests me be joining us

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in a minute. But I'm going to throw in real quick.

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Another thing I decided I need to pick up a

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project that I had left off last year was updating

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my living trust.

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We're doing the same thing.

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I initially did it back in twenty eleven. Yeah, I

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pulled everything out, went through the paperwork, made some notes,

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need to make some changes. But that's one of those

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things that it should be on our list if we

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haven't done it already.

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Is you know, one of the realities of life at

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this age is that you need to have all your

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business in order right, all your business together, and it's

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it's not a horrible process. Actually, we're using a legal

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zoom type of product that actually makes it very simple. Okay,

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coordinating everything, but yeah, you know, it's like all that's

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one of the things where you're like, oh my gosh, assets,

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how much money do you want when you retire? There's

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all these questions to start asking. And I'm actually switching

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over my financial advisors for someone who they used my

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family and I used in San Mateo for one hundred years.

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Speaking of Drager's is closing, yes, oh my god.

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Yeah, for those you know, Drager's is a high end

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grocery store, but they had like a cooking school upstairs

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and other things going in a restaurant.

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You went to the cooking school, didn't you.

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I did. Someone that we went to high school with

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taught cooking class STYS, So I did go to one

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about two years ago. You know, they, like a lot

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of businesses were kind of went dark during the pandemic,

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reopened and things just never really came back. The cooking school,

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I don't think they started up again. The restaurant I

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don't know if they ever reopened, but I mean, admittedly

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the I never shop there because the prices were super expensive,

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but they were there for years.

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So who's that? Oh my goodness, Oh.

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My god, why are you supposed to do that?

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Yeah?

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Yeah?

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Quick?

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Or what you are?

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Right on time?

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Oh my god, I don't know what I'm doing. I

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was even listening in. I was just like, I got

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your detailed instructions from the FBI on how to get

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in here, and.

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You pass all the security clearances and you're here. I

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can't tell you how excited I am that you are

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joining us. It's been years since you've seen each other.

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But oh my god, I didn't even know you know

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that you guys were still in touch. I mean, did

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you get in touch later or have you been in

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touch since we were kids?

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We never stopped kids?

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Wait? Wait, wait, what was the answer.

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That we never stopped being in touch?

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You never stopped being in touch? Wow?

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Let me back up, because you know we're on YouTube,

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but we're also on Spotify and Apple podcasts. So for

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the listeners, we've been joined by a special guest. It's

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the first guest that has joined us on either podcast

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that I'm related to.

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That's cool because I know you have a big family.

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We're a big family. We've got a lot of Mexicans.

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But this is my cousin and Lena Kaladon Cook who

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And for those who followed us on Three Piece podcasts

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and on this one, your family has come up a

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couple times in our stories as we explain to our listeners,

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uh and viewers, how Donn and I met because we

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didn't go to the same elementary middle school, we didn't

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meet up until high school. But because your two families

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were next door neighbors, and when I would go over

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to your house to visit, you know, my mom would

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visit with your mom, and I'd come and play with

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you guys. You and your your siblings would be the

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extraor neighbor kan who would be over once in a while.

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So we kind of met each other. But then in

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high school we're like, wait a minute, you you live

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where and the same high school? Yeah? Aragone, But didn't we.

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All go to Hillsdale? Like and then I mean I

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went to Aragon after like for the last three years.

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But Donnie, didn't you go to Hillsdale?

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No?

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Obviously you didn't.

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No, No, it's okay, but no, okay, just one of

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those weird things at Lanta, because it's like, you know,

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we all have some kind of weird kismet connection. But

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because I vaguely remember Gary, when I was staying at

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your house during Yeah with Angie and you, and it's

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like it's just wild.

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Because I think we mostly went over to his house,

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like when we all got together, and like all those

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pictures you sent, those are all your house, right Gary? Yeah?

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Yeah, the three pictures of birthdays that were at my

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house last night. I sent images photos to Donna and

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Lena when when she and I were kids. So there's

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one we're like seven years old at some party in

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the East Bay. The other two are birthday parties at

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my house. And the last one, I guess did we

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work at Macy's together for a short time. We did,

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because there was some kind of holiday party or costume party,

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and that wasting party you and I are happened to

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be dressed in fifties gear, and so this picture wild.

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I have not even given that a thought since that picture.

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That's wild, And so got the.

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Photo of us at Macy's. I mean I left Macy's

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when I was twenty six so it means I was

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twenty four to twenty five in that photo.

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I know I was there when I was twenty two.

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I remember like for a year, I think, not long.

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Oh that is crazy. That is a great picture. And

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you looked like, oh my god, you look so like

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nineteen fifties. Like really, that's a really good picture.

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That's for all. My gray hair kicked in.

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Wow. I just didn't even remember these pictures. That's amazing.

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I had them in archives. I knew. And when you

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agreed to say yeah, I'll come on the podcast like

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I have to photos, I knew they existed. So I'm

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so glad I found them.

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Thank you.

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I'm so glad too. Gosh.

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So, how when when do you think the last time

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the two of you saw each other?

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Maybe the Macy's party, because I left California when I

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was well, Holly, you said you were how old when

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you worked at Macy's.

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Gary, I left Macy's when I was twenty six.

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Well, I was twenty five when I left California, So

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that was the last it might have been the last

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time I saw you.

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So you moved to the East Coast in your twists

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mm hmmm. And was it for school for work.

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What was the it was sort of for it was

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it was sort of for well, I was in I

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don't know if you knew I lived in Anchorage, Alaska.

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I went to Anchorage first.

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We didn't know that I.

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Went to Anchorage first for a year. It was a wonderful, wonderful,

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like wonderful time as an incredible experience. I met my

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first my husband through a conference. I worked for the

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American Heart Association in Anchorage, and we met it a

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conference in New Orleans that summer, and then I the

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following year, I moved out here. He was here in Delaware,

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and so we got you know, we got together, we

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got married. I was married for ten years, had a

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couple of kids, two girls, and then divorced and remarried

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pretty pretty fairly quickly after the first marriage. And then

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I've been married for twenty three years now I'm still

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here in Delaware. So wow, I know, I know. Did

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you know that I went to Alaska?

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I remember that I only knew Delaware because of your

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posts on Facebook.

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Yeah yeah, yeah, uh huh yeah, you know.

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Like a lot of things like well, when I when

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Don and I graduated high school, I went away for

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two years, and that he ended up moving for work

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and things to different states. So there was a couple

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of years where we didn't connect because there was no

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cell phone.

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No, yes, that's you know, there was a time when

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there was no cell phones.

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No easy way to connect. But at some point he

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moved back to California, he and I reconnected, and.

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You know, most so you did sort of yeah, because

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of work, sort of disconnect and then reconnect later. Right, right, Donnie,

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how how long were you away for?

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Which time? It's like I was okay, back and forth, yeah, yeah,

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because I moved. It was like I moved to New

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York for a little while, and I moved to Chicago

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for a little while. I lived in l A. A

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few times, back and forth, and then you know, somehow

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I don't even remember.

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I think I remember you in New York. Really, I

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think I remember seeing something and thinking, oh my gosh,

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he's over here.

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Yeah yeah, yeah.

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So, I mean we haven't seen each other or spoken

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to each other for even longer than Gary, and so

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it's amazing. So it's so good to see you. It's

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so nice that.

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We're god to see you both. Oh my god, I'm

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just like, why you're still in touch.

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Yeah. Well, it's something something you can't shake. Sometimes. I've tried.

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I've moved away a number of times, but he still

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finds me.

477
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I'm the gum on his shoe. He just can't get

478
00:21:53.319 --> 00:21:53.640
rid of me.

479
00:21:54.039 --> 00:21:56.200
Well, it's kind of like you said, Johnny, like the uh,

480
00:21:56.680 --> 00:21:57.400
what did you say it?

481
00:21:58.359 --> 00:22:01.119
Kist, it just happened. And the fact that all three

482
00:22:01.119 --> 00:22:03.400
of us are speaking now because we had literally like

483
00:22:03.480 --> 00:22:06.319
a couple of places where we all lived.

484
00:22:06.759 --> 00:22:09.039
Well, the really weird thing, too, is Donnie, there's more

485
00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:12.839
to that story because here lately, in the last recent years.

486
00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:15.160
I don't know if you remember any of this, but

487
00:22:15.680 --> 00:22:17.599
here lately the next few years, there's been sort of

488
00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:21.200
discussions that have come up about rats for different reasons,

489
00:22:21.240 --> 00:22:23.119
and I always go back to the same story, that

490
00:22:23.279 --> 00:22:26.880
is about you and our pet rats. Okay, because first

491
00:22:26.880 --> 00:22:28.799
of all, there was Pizza Rat. Do you remember Pizza

492
00:22:28.839 --> 00:22:29.720
Rat from New York City?

493
00:22:30.119 --> 00:22:30.359
Yes?

494
00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:32.519
Okay, So I was telling recently, I was showing somebody

495
00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:34.440
the video. I said, don't you remember Pizza Rat? And

496
00:22:34.480 --> 00:22:35.720
then I have to go on and tell them my

497
00:22:35.759 --> 00:22:37.720
story about how I had a pet rat. And then

498
00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:40.640
my neighbor Donnie gave me his rat, like I adopted

499
00:22:40.680 --> 00:22:42.880
your rat, and he was my rat was white, yours

500
00:22:42.960 --> 00:22:46.440
was black, and you gave you we homed it to me.

501
00:22:47.079 --> 00:22:50.160
And then recently something else came up. I mean it's

502
00:22:50.200 --> 00:22:53.039
come up like a few times, not too long ago.

503
00:22:53.039 --> 00:22:56.160
And I always retelled my rat story. People can't believe

504
00:22:56.279 --> 00:22:59.799
that I had a pet rat. Two rats now, one

505
00:23:00.200 --> 00:23:03.759
who was you know, deal with Adriel's wife, Diachita. She

506
00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.720
would come over and go, yeah, look at this rats. Yeah,

507
00:23:08.160 --> 00:23:12.319
oh god, go away, please go away, you hateful woman.

508
00:23:13.119 --> 00:23:15.079
I love her now though, but she was so hateful that,

509
00:23:15.359 --> 00:23:18.640
oh my gosh, I love them very much. Yeah. So, yes,

510
00:23:18.799 --> 00:23:21.720
the rat story has come up quite a bit. And

511
00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:24.559
now here you are the one you gave me, the

512
00:23:24.559 --> 00:23:27.039
one who gave me my beloved one of my beloved rats.

513
00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:32.319
Com do you remember? Yes? I just so you guys

514
00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:33.279
graduated the same.

515
00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:39.960
Year, graduating eighty because I'm much younger, and yeah, a

516
00:23:40.079 --> 00:23:41.559
month is early a month younger.

517
00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:42.440
Yeah, so we're a.

518
00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:45.240
You're apart then, right, because I'm sixty three, you guys,

519
00:23:45.640 --> 00:23:46.880
I know Gary, you're sixty two.

520
00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:50.319
And so okay, so here's something else.

521
00:23:50.319 --> 00:23:52.440
If I can just touch on the rats one last time.

522
00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:57.720
I'm sorry. The last podcast, gear Donnie, you mentioned something

523
00:23:57.720 --> 00:24:03.000
about a rat sign to your your guests sign signs

524
00:24:03.039 --> 00:24:04.720
about yes.

525
00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:07.960
Yes, stupid me, I was thinking Christian. So yes, so

526
00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:10.799
you're right, you're right, something about a sign. Yes, it's

527
00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:13.319
an exterminator that's in San Mateo. It used to be

528
00:24:13.920 --> 00:24:16.039
that had a big rat on top of it. A

529
00:24:16.079 --> 00:24:17.039
guy looking at a rat.

530
00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:17.279
Yes.

531
00:24:17.359 --> 00:24:19.799
So, yes, you're right, you're absolutely right. I was wrong.

532
00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:23.440
My goodness, it's been so much fun. So yeah, and

533
00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:25.319
do you mind? Does anybody else call you Donnie? Here

534
00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:26.119
is the only one?

535
00:24:26.160 --> 00:24:28.880
No, I mean family, does you know? It's like they

536
00:24:28.920 --> 00:24:30.960
still do? Please do? I mean, I prefer it, But

537
00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:32.920
nobody really calls me that because I guess I don't

538
00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:33.920
look like a don because.

539
00:24:33.680 --> 00:24:35.440
I always say Frankie. I mean, I can't get away

540
00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:37.279
from Frankie ever. Frankie.

541
00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:40.920
Oh yeah, my brother Frankie. Yeah yeah, yeah, he's still

542
00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:45.559
Frankie Frankie. But yeah, I mean yes, some of our relatives,

543
00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:46.839
yes still when they.

544
00:24:46.359 --> 00:24:49.519
Still do it. Okay, yeah, all right, good good, that's good.

545
00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:51.720
I never got into that. I just called them Frank's

546
00:24:51.680 --> 00:24:55.759
so yeah whatever. But so I want to talk about

547
00:24:55.799 --> 00:24:58.480
so you've been in Delaware many.

548
00:24:58.359 --> 00:25:00.799
Years, nineteen eighty seven.

549
00:25:01.240 --> 00:25:06.039
You have two daughters. Mmm, you're a nurse, is that right?

550
00:25:06.359 --> 00:25:07.319
M m yep.

551
00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:10.599
Wow. I'm just, of course for just from all your posts,

552
00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:11.440
which I love all.

553
00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:14.319
Your posts, how much nursing posts.

554
00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:16.279
But not just your family staff.

555
00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:19.519
You'll talk about it, yes, yes, you say you've seen

556
00:25:19.559 --> 00:25:22.240
my you know, the Nicolett and Angela. Yeah, Nicolettson's still

557
00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:24.480
in San Diego though, she's right there with you guys.

558
00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:25.039
Yeah.

559
00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:29.079
Yeah, she's been there for about she moved. She was

560
00:25:29.079 --> 00:25:31.079
living in New York City. She went to Hunter College,

561
00:25:31.640 --> 00:25:34.240
and then she moved for a job in San Diego

562
00:25:34.319 --> 00:25:35.880
with one of her actually one of her high school

563
00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:38.359
friends went to San Diego State and then he got

564
00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:40.440
stayed there and he had a job for her, So

565
00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:42.240
she moved from New York to San Diego.

566
00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:42.839
Wow.

567
00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:46.359
So now she's a California hippie and we're over here,

568
00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:48.759
and my other daughter is very they're very much the opposite.

569
00:25:48.839 --> 00:25:53.200
She lives, Angela lives nearby. But yeah, Nicolett's a doctor

570
00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:57.319
of acupuncture and Chinese medicine there in San Diego. Yeah,

571
00:25:57.319 --> 00:26:00.599
I know, so different. Yeah, interesting, right, And I think

572
00:26:00.640 --> 00:26:02.519
that I'm the only nurse in all our families. I

573
00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:04.000
don't know anybody else who is.

574
00:26:04.200 --> 00:26:06.880
So Yeahvin, my family, we have a doctor and a nurse.

575
00:26:07.880 --> 00:26:10.039
Yeah yeah. One of my nephews, he is a doctor

576
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:12.039
in southern California. One of my nieces is the nurse

577
00:26:12.119 --> 00:26:14.759
up here in the Bay Area. So yeah, that's cool.

578
00:26:14.839 --> 00:26:15.519
I didn't know that.

579
00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:18.400
Yeah. Well, speaking of that, I mean, you know, the

580
00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:23.759
whole medical field during COVID was overwhelmed and understaffed. I

581
00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:26.039
mean just everything that How was that for you? What

582
00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:28.119
was your experience? Yeah, it was, it was.

583
00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:30.279
It was more like the fear of the unknown was

584
00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:33.480
the biggest thing. People had different levels of anxiety about it.

585
00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:35.240
At works, a couple of people had to leave. It

586
00:26:35.359 --> 00:26:38.160
was one of the aids that we had. She couldn't

587
00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:40.279
handle it, she couldn't be anxiety. And then she just

588
00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:42.880
recently came back and she's a complete different person, just

589
00:26:43.039 --> 00:26:46.319
calm and everything. But like for me, once I got COVID,

590
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:47.880
I got it right away. You know, I was like

591
00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:50.400
there was no way around it. I got it right away,

592
00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:52.200
even though I was like in a space suit, like

593
00:26:52.279 --> 00:26:54.000
it just COVID does whatever it wants to do no

594
00:26:54.079 --> 00:26:55.799
matter what you're doing, so it just goes where it

595
00:26:55.839 --> 00:26:58.240
wants to go. But once I got it the first time,

596
00:26:58.720 --> 00:27:01.359
then I was good. I have asthma, and I was

597
00:27:01.400 --> 00:27:03.519
afraid that it would affect me in a really bad way,

598
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:05.440
and it didn't at all. I mean I just had

599
00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:07.400
a little, tiny, little annoying little cough and it was

600
00:27:07.440 --> 00:27:11.720
just like a really bad cold and just like really sleepy,

601
00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:13.759
really tired a lot. But I was off for like

602
00:27:13.759 --> 00:27:16.599
three weeks and then went back to work. So but

603
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:18.599
once then I was like, Okay, this is probably the worst,

604
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:20.640
the worst that it's gonna that's gonna happen. So and

605
00:27:20.640 --> 00:27:22.119
then I was good after that and I didn't get

606
00:27:22.119 --> 00:27:24.920
it again until I got a second time and it

607
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:27.640
was the same thing, bad cold, just tired. Like I

608
00:27:27.640 --> 00:27:30.319
think I got it again two years later, maybe so,

609
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:30.880
But I.

610
00:27:30.839 --> 00:27:32.920
Mean this, this is your career, this is a job,

611
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:36.720
and to go through that, and as you said, it's severe,

612
00:27:36.839 --> 00:27:39.039
the unknown. None of us had ever gone through anything

613
00:27:39.079 --> 00:27:42.519
like that. And then it just kept going and going

614
00:27:42.599 --> 00:27:43.079
and going.

615
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:45.680
Yeah, yeah, I guess it's so over it. I get

616
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:49.200
so angry. Still, we still had somebody with COVID here

617
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:52.279
and there just just lasts like one or two weeks ago,

618
00:27:52.519 --> 00:27:55.559
and it's just like stop already. And the people that

619
00:27:55.680 --> 00:27:57.839
have it now don't even hardly have any symptoms anymore,

620
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:00.400
but they just test positive and then they have to

621
00:28:00.440 --> 00:28:03.519
isolate them for like ten days and they have to

622
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:05.079
do the whole suiting up before you go in their

623
00:28:05.119 --> 00:28:07.640
room and all that. Still, my gosh, it's.

624
00:28:07.240 --> 00:28:09.559
Still like that though, Atlanta, because you would think that

625
00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:10.720
it's less virulent.

626
00:28:11.319 --> 00:28:14.559
It is less virulent, but they still isolate these poor people.

627
00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:15.559
Really.

628
00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:17.799
Yeah, but I live I work at a nursing home,

629
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:20.200
so it's their people are very sick, very vulnerable.

630
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:22.440
You've been a nurse for how long?

631
00:28:22.839 --> 00:28:27.359
Sixteen almost seventeen years now, and so yeah, since.

632
00:28:27.160 --> 00:28:31.319
His podcast is about being sixty and older, do you

633
00:28:32.400 --> 00:28:35.519
think about the future, like how much longer you want

634
00:28:35.519 --> 00:28:37.039
to work? Do you still enjoy it?

635
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:39.640
Yeah, because this was like a second later in life

636
00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:42.839
career for me. I was a property manager before I

637
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:45.480
was forty seven. I think it was when I graduated

638
00:28:45.680 --> 00:28:48.200
with my nursing you know degree, So it was like

639
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:49.960
a late but I wasn't the only one. There are

640
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:51.720
lots of people that go to school in their forties.

641
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:55.160
And even later now too. So yeah, so this is

642
00:28:55.200 --> 00:28:58.000
like my second career. Yeah, I'm gonna, I mean, I'm

643
00:28:58.000 --> 00:29:01.519
good to go right to full retirement, which is six seven, right, okay, yeah,

644
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:02.279
and maybe that's.

645
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:03.960
Kind of what I'm shooting for, the same as sixty seven.

646
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:06.359
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, It's something we always ask Atlanta, because

647
00:29:06.359 --> 00:29:08.519
you know, people are different parts of their phases of

648
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.119
their lives. They decide to priorities shift and sometimes know,

649
00:29:11.160 --> 00:29:14.799
if work is not gratifying or rewarding, sometimes we'll take

650
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:17.559
an early retirement or talk about dropping off. But if

651
00:29:17.559 --> 00:29:20.559
this is still fulfilling for you and you enjoy it

652
00:29:20.599 --> 00:29:23.160
and you're doing good, there's nothing wrong with working way

653
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:25.279
past that. You mean, because just because the government says

654
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:28.039
sixty seven is the number, doesn't mean that it has

655
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:30.319
to be the number that you take. And also, I

656
00:29:30.319 --> 00:29:33.160
love the reinvention thing because a number of us have reinvented.

657
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.160
Our career is a number of times and ye midstream

658
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:39.240
and even later in midstream whatever.

659
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:43.279
That number is too, right, Yeah, I mean, you know,

660
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:45.359
we've nursing. It's like a love hate thing. So like

661
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.200
sometimes you'll you'll have weeks when you say I just

662
00:29:48.640 --> 00:29:50.559
can't imagine doing this or four years, more years and

663
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:52.160
then you just you know, you go and then when

664
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:54.200
you get there, you're glad you went through it. And

665
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:55.799
at the end of the day you're tired, you sort

666
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:57.359
of feel sort of beat up, but then you also

667
00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:00.559
feel like very much rewarded and it's a rewarding thing do, so,

668
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:04.039
you know, it's it's both so and I think to

669
00:30:04.359 --> 00:30:07.359
like with nurses, I think it depends on your health,

670
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:10.160
like if you're if you're sort of not like especially

671
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:12.640
a lot of smokers. There's a lot of nurses at

672
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:15.039
smoke and their health may not be so great and

673
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:17.319
they just need to you know. I think then they

674
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:20.160
end up get you know, giving it up earlier than

675
00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:22.279
they thought they would because they're not so healthy.

676
00:30:22.960 --> 00:30:26.359
Hm hmm. That love hate relationship you talk about nursings

677
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:28.920
this way I feel about podcasting with Gary. There's a

678
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:32.720
lot hate thing. Some days it's great, some days that

679
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:35.119
come out beat up. I never want to do it again.

680
00:30:35.200 --> 00:30:36.799
And then you know Gary's you.

681
00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:40.880
Know, did you ever watch that show called watched about

682
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:43.519
the plastic surgeons? Well that you remind me of the

683
00:30:43.559 --> 00:30:45.720
two of them, you know, like, well, he's the one.

684
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:46.880
That had that work done. I haven't.

685
00:30:47.440 --> 00:30:48.400
You're not supposed to say that.

686
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:51.559
I'm sorry, it's great, it's great. I think you guys

687
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:54.279
are kinder to each other than those two classic surgeons are.

688
00:30:55.039 --> 00:30:56.279
It's just it's just too much.

689
00:30:56.319 --> 00:30:58.160
They're just we hit the record button. It's a whole

690
00:30:58.200 --> 00:30:59.200
different show, believe me.

691
00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:02.160
Right, well, at the san keeps the checks coming. I'm good.

692
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:04.599
So, Donne, you're living down south, aren't you.

693
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:07.960
Uh yeah, over here on the beach. I'm over in

694
00:31:08.000 --> 00:31:10.640
Bay Area. I left you about six years ago now

695
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:14.720
from LA. Yeah, it's down south. It's like maybe thirty

696
00:31:14.720 --> 00:31:16.960
minutes forty minutes south of bellt I live at the beach.

697
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:19.759
So it's like something I'm just telling Gary. Earlier, we

698
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:21.400
had our in laws were staying here with us, and

699
00:31:21.440 --> 00:31:22.720
they said, well, you live in LA let's go to

700
00:31:22.799 --> 00:31:25.799
Rodeo Drives. Like, absolutely not. I will not go to

701
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:29.960
Rodeo Drive. I'm not going to the Hollywood Sign. Yeah exactly.

702
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:31.880
But I mean it's kind of the same thing when

703
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:33.720
people visit you, right, I mean, don't they want to

704
00:31:33.759 --> 00:31:34.880
go to Rehobeth.

705
00:31:35.160 --> 00:31:39.519
Yes, but yeah, to come visit me. Rehobeth is you know,

706
00:31:40.319 --> 00:31:41.400
Rehoboth is amazing.

707
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:44.359
No. I mean the thing is, like, I think reinvention

708
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.079
is not uncommon for people our age, because you know,

709
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:49.519
although Gary, you know, has had a really good stint

710
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:51.559
with his gig, he's to had the same job for Gary,

711
00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:52.200
how many years.

712
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:54.759
I've only been working for my boss for thirty six years.

713
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:55.960
Yeah, oh my gosh.

714
00:31:56.000 --> 00:31:57.039
That's great though.

715
00:31:57.440 --> 00:31:57.960
Yeah, when I.

716
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:01.720
Left Macy's, I left Macy's at twenty and I started

717
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:04.960
this job and here I am thirty six years later.

718
00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.039
So I'm so lucky that you didn't have to move

719
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:10.680
around at different places and find somewhere, you know, different

720
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:13.480
places of land. Yeah, you found somewhere that was like

721
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:15.240
worthwhile to stay at. That's great.

722
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.480
Yeah, they've been good to you. It's fulfilling. You enjoy

723
00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:19.279
your job. You're doing a good work. And I mean

724
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:20.920
there's a lot of things, so you know, there's no

725
00:32:21.279 --> 00:32:23.640
there's no cookie cutter way to do it. I mean

726
00:32:23.680 --> 00:32:26.240
some people keep their jobs very long time, and some

727
00:32:26.319 --> 00:32:28.119
of us reinvent and reinvent and reinvent.

728
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:30.920
So yeah, and I think if you just get past

729
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:33.680
the number thing, you know, the age number, then you

730
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:36.559
can just keep it rolling. You know. That's I tell

731
00:32:36.559 --> 00:32:38.279
people you know, I ride my bike all year round.

732
00:32:38.359 --> 00:32:40.680
It's I mean it's pretty cold. Actually today feels warm

733
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:41.240
because it's eight.

734
00:32:41.799 --> 00:32:42.839
Oh wow.

735
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:45.599
I do ride my bike in twenty eight degree weather.

736
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:48.559
And people say how, like, gosh, you're doing that, And

737
00:32:48.559 --> 00:32:50.559
I'm like, you know what if you just don't think

738
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:52.759
about the age that you are and just do what

739
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:54.960
you want to do and just do it until you

740
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:56.640
can do it, and I mean, just do it as

741
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.319
long as you can and as long as you're feeling good,

742
00:32:59.559 --> 00:33:02.200
like there's some reason not to. You know, I'm not

743
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:05.000
don't have anything that's going to stop me from right

744
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:06.720
in my back in the winter because I don't have

745
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:09.559
any like serious health issues, I guess, and I don't

746
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:12.200
feel winded or whatever when I'm riding, so there's nothing

747
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:12.720
to stop me.

748
00:33:12.880 --> 00:33:15.160
So that's something to never take for granted, is good

749
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.440
health and to have it as we get older. I mean,

750
00:33:17.480 --> 00:33:19.440
that's what we have to maintain and keep doing things,

751
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:21.880
and you know, I mean it's so important and people

752
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.839
sometimes forget it just goes right.

753
00:33:24.720 --> 00:33:27.680
To the equality of living, especially as you get older.

754
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:29.799
And this morning I went to an ice skating class

755
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.920
with my husband's two grandsons and it does cross my mind.

756
00:33:32.960 --> 00:33:35.440
If I fall, I could actually break a hip. But

757
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:39.680
the ice, yeah, I'm skating with it. Yeah, and so

758
00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:41.640
you got to think about that. I mean, you gotta

759
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:44.079
be realistic, especially with women. We tend to have more

760
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:48.119
more osteoporosis and stuff. So I do wear risk guards

761
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:49.839
because I broke both of my wrists a couple of

762
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:55.000
years ago and ice skating then I ordered these, even

763
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:57.559
the good skaters. Where are these little shorts that have

764
00:33:57.640 --> 00:34:01.279
pads all around? So I'm gonna start using them, you know.

765
00:34:01.640 --> 00:34:03.480
And I don't want to be out of work for

766
00:34:03.599 --> 00:34:05.039
it with a hit either, you know, I just want

767
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:06.960
to I don't want out of anything.

768
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.880
Right because Maytory remind ourselves that we can't do everything

769
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:12.880
at sixty that we did in our twenties and thirties, right,

770
00:34:12.920 --> 00:34:14.719
and maybe still do it, but maybe not as well,

771
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:15.599
not as fast.

772
00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:18.440
Yeah, it's good to be realistic about it.

773
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:20.960
From your comments, it sounds like it's one of the

774
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:25.400
questions we ask is was turning a certain age difficult?

775
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:28.320
You know, whether it was from turning thirty nine to

776
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:31.320
forty or fifteen nine to sixty whatever have Was there

777
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:34.280
ever one age that's like I'm dreading this one. This

778
00:34:34.280 --> 00:34:34.800
one's going to.

779
00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:41.960
Hurt, not not terribly, not not terribly. Because as long

780
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.199
as I thought that I was maintaining myself to the

781
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.159
point where I could just do everything I really wanted

782
00:34:47.199 --> 00:34:49.280
to do and feel good about it, then it didn't

783
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:52.199
stress me too much. I just had to you know,

784
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:54.360
I just put that out of my mind more more now,

785
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:57.000
more so recently, I like if iit some how people

786
00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:59.199
who I am. It's more I'm more concerned about their

787
00:34:59.239 --> 00:35:03.000
reaction than my own reaction to my age. You know,

788
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.280
they can start seeing, especially if you're over sixty, it's like,

789
00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:11.199
oh wait, you're in you're in your sixties, Like in

790
00:35:11.199 --> 00:35:13.559
here you can see them in their mind like thinking,

791
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:16.800
wait a minute, you know, this could be like a

792
00:35:16.840 --> 00:35:20.079
grandparent here, you know kind of thing. So that's kind

793
00:35:20.079 --> 00:35:22.400
of like interesting to see how other people react when

794
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:23.559
you say you're in your sixties.

795
00:35:23.599 --> 00:35:25.480
But you must get a lot of reactions of like

796
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:27.719
they would never have guessed six, they would have guessed

797
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:28.719
late forties earlier.

798
00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:31.679
Sometimes, especially when I you know, when I say I'm

799
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:34.519
bike riding in twenty eighty degree weather, and most most

800
00:35:34.519 --> 00:35:37.079
of my friends, well I'm almost all my friends don't

801
00:35:37.079 --> 00:35:39.400
do that, and most of my friends in their twenties

802
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:43.880
and thirties don't either. So that's why I just tell everyone,

803
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:46.159
and even you know, my young friends like I just

804
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:48.760
just don't think about the number. Just keep it rolling

805
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:50.280
and keep doing what you you know, like to do

806
00:35:50.599 --> 00:35:52.719
and what you feel good, you know, feel good doing

807
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:55.280
physically good doing so.

808
00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:58.320
You mentioned and you admitted this, so I'm not spreading

809
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.880
any secrets that you said. You're you're sixty three, that's

810
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:03.960
how old you are. How old do you feel?

811
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:10.519
Oh? Boy, gosh, I guess thirties. I feel I mean,

812
00:36:10.559 --> 00:36:14.039
I don't feel much different. Yeah, and you probably know

813
00:36:14.079 --> 00:36:16.119
it's scary. The more you lose, like when you're in

814
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:19.880
your weight last journey, every little bit that you lose,

815
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:23.480
you start feeling better and more Yeah, flexible, and you

816
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:25.519
can just move better and do better.

817
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:28.400
Yeah. Well, I posted recently and Donn and I were

818
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:30.679
just having this conversation before he came on that last

819
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:32.960
week I hit the forty pound mark.

820
00:36:33.239 --> 00:36:35.519
I saw that. It was so amazing.

821
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:38.079
It's like I just, you know, like pat myself on

822
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:38.840
the back because.

823
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:40.559
It's my god, you know, because I'm.

824
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:44.400
Doing it all by myself. I'm just under doctor's care

825
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:46.960
and guidance and all that, and Bet just you know,

826
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:49.280
follow the rules and trying to be disciplined and don't

827
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:52.159
feel bad if you you know, like December was the

828
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:54.719
only month that I didn't lose weight. Every other month

829
00:36:54.800 --> 00:36:58.039
that since I started, I've lost weight, whether it's three

830
00:36:58.039 --> 00:36:59.840
pounds or nine pounds whatever, you know, in the month

831
00:36:59.840 --> 00:37:02.639
I tracking all that, And December was a one month

832
00:37:02.679 --> 00:37:06.320
be that's also the month that was, you know, it's

833
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:10.199
not my regular schedule, not my regular routine, more socializing,

834
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:13.280
not able to eat when I want what I want,

835
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:17.239
and so on. So it threw me off. But I'd decided,

836
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:19.039
you know, I just kind of wiped this late clean,

837
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:21.559
and then January came. I'm like, all right, let's keep going.

838
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:24.639
That's great that you get motivated in January, like more mode,

839
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:27.840
But what about working from home now? Is that affected

840
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:28.960
that in any.

841
00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:31.639
Way in the sense that I have more time?

842
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:32.440
Right?

843
00:37:32.480 --> 00:37:35.800
Because I was driving from San Francisco across the Golden

844
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:38.559
Gay Bridge to San Rafel, so my morning commute was

845
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:42.000
about forty forty five minutes. The drive home could be

846
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:45.320
an hour or longer, depending on traffic. I live near

847
00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:48.000
the Bay Bridge. I live near the baseball stadium, so

848
00:37:48.079 --> 00:37:50.280
if there's a tie up on the bridge or a

849
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:54.400
night game, all that, you know, throws off my commute.

850
00:37:54.480 --> 00:37:56.920
So I've gained the time. Now my commute is from

851
00:37:56.960 --> 00:37:59.000
my bedroom to my dining room.

852
00:37:59.199 --> 00:37:59.960
It's amazing.

853
00:38:00.480 --> 00:38:03.280
I don't feel isolated because I've always been in a

854
00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:06.199
kind of my own office working, you know, just on

855
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:08.880
my own, pretty independently, never been part of like a

856
00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:10.760
big team where we're all getting together for.

857
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:11.320
A big meeting.

858
00:38:12.480 --> 00:38:14.719
So you didn't have to make that big transition from

859
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:17.480
a lot of people to being working alone, right.

860
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:19.639
I understand like during COVID and a lot of people

861
00:38:19.639 --> 00:38:22.800
started working from home, they felt that isolation because oh

862
00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:26.000
I missed my team. Right, So for me, the transition

863
00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:28.920
was easy. Whether it's during COVID when I worked from

864
00:38:28.920 --> 00:38:32.239
home for about a year and a half, yeah, exactly. So, yeah,

865
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:34.239
the transition has been good for me. I like you,

866
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:37.079
I'm I'm thinking ahead. I've already had a couple times

867
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:39.440
the conversation with my boss about how much longer I

868
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:41.920
plan to work. And so I'm sixty two now I'm

869
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:46.480
looking at targeting sixty seven. Yeah, and then after that,

870
00:38:46.880 --> 00:38:48.719
you know, I don't. I can still because I do

871
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:51.360
a lot of volunteer work, so I can. I can

872
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:53.920
continue to do that, which are things that I enjoy doing.

873
00:38:54.079 --> 00:38:57.599
But living the Bay Area it's not cheap. So that's

874
00:38:57.679 --> 00:38:58.960
one thing that's kind of in the back of my

875
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:01.519
mind is like, how is that going to play out? Yes,

876
00:39:01.599 --> 00:39:04.599
I'll have social Security, we hope, yes, you know, I

877
00:39:04.639 --> 00:39:08.559
have some case set aside for retirement. But but still

878
00:39:08.559 --> 00:39:11.519
it's it's just kind of the unknown, right, you don't

879
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:12.920
know how I was all going to work.

880
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:16.320
I hope it works, because God, who wouldn't that would

881
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:19.079
be my ultimate dream, like to live right in San Francisco,

882
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:21.760
Like who wouldn't want to do that? You know? Yeah,

883
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:24.760
Oh my gosh, it's just so amazing.

884
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:27.480
Yeah. We we have a new mayor that started. He

885
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:31.760
was elected in November and got January. I was bragging

886
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:33.280
it down that I got to meet with him yesterday

887
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:37.320
and meeting an apartment. He did not Yes, you'll see,

888
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:40.559
you'll see my post I demonstrated and he used it

889
00:39:40.599 --> 00:39:45.079
as well as fire extinguisher, So new not odd me

890
00:39:45.239 --> 00:39:52.039
on a small fire. Sorry, I've always you know, enjoyed

891
00:39:52.039 --> 00:39:55.360
doing that and so that's kind of when my career,

892
00:39:55.480 --> 00:39:58.719
my work, real work, paying work stops, I have these

893
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:00.880
other things to kind of keep me and gagestion.

894
00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:02.920
Absolutely we can do that.

895
00:40:03.039 --> 00:40:06.599
It's incredibly vital and crucial for us as we age

896
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:09.519
to stay involved with communities, stay involved with going out

897
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:12.400
because there's I've read so many stories about isolation and

898
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:15.559
people who are feeling alone. Gary, You've always done that.

899
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:17.159
I mean, you've done that for years now with this thing.

900
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:20.440
So you've created quite a community outside of work that

901
00:40:20.599 --> 00:40:22.639
is really supportive, and i mean, who knows you could

902
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:26.920
maybe reinvent again and find some niche working in the

903
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:29.079
community supporting the way you do now.

904
00:40:29.320 --> 00:40:31.760
Keep keep engaged and also, as you said in the

905
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:35.400
past podcast, keep moving like Atlanta. You're bike riding, yeah,

906
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:38.039
you know, in twenty eight degree weather, but that's supposed

907
00:40:38.079 --> 00:40:40.599
to be like you know, but on the fire and

908
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:42.599
what's on TV. Because I'm not going outside.

909
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:45.440
I do wear the right gear for outside of ex

910
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:48.159
society for sure. I'm not rarely out there suffering in

911
00:40:48.239 --> 00:40:49.519
the cold, per se.

912
00:40:50.480 --> 00:40:52.199
And we're lucky too, because I just we walked to

913
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:53.960
the beach this morning. It's like twenty minutes away. But

914
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:55.719
it's tend We tend to get out of the house

915
00:40:55.800 --> 00:40:58.719
a lot during days off and even afterwards. Like walking

916
00:40:58.800 --> 00:41:00.599
is a crucial thing that we can. Why not walk

917
00:41:00.639 --> 00:41:02.599
to the beach. Why wouldn't you.

918
00:41:02.159 --> 00:41:04.199
Know how far do you have to walk? Half far

919
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:05.239
are you from the beach?

920
00:41:05.239 --> 00:41:07.639
It's like a mile and a half maybe two miles

921
00:41:08.320 --> 00:41:11.119
to your point? Like bike riding, walking exercise.

922
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:13.000
Yes, only we're doing the ice now. We do the

923
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:14.480
ice skating on Saturday.

924
00:41:14.480 --> 00:41:16.199
But I mean it's great that we all continue to

925
00:41:16.199 --> 00:41:18.920
do those things because you don't want to get sedentary

926
00:41:18.920 --> 00:41:21.320
in any way. I was going to ask you too,

927
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:24.960
because did you have you experienced any kind of agism?

928
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:27.639
And I asked this question because I'll preface it. I too,

929
00:41:27.719 --> 00:41:29.880
was a property manager in San Francisco. When I left

930
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:32.960
here in the city for a while, and when I

931
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:36.440
came down here looking for a job, guess what I

932
00:41:36.440 --> 00:41:39.280
couldn't get one. And what I think one of the

933
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:42.280
reasons could have been was that, you know, electron unless

934
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:45.400
you have some amazing connection, sometimes that after a certain age,

935
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:50.119
if you're filing for jobs electronically, you're immediately disqualified because

936
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:52.800
of a the year graduated college or high school, or

937
00:41:52.880 --> 00:41:55.519
because they don't want to hire someone who's over fifty.

938
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.440
So my question is, did you experience any kind of

939
00:41:58.480 --> 00:42:02.400
agism coming in when you did into nursing. I did not.

940
00:42:03.159 --> 00:42:05.480
I did not directly, and I haven't seen that too

941
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:10.599
much in nursing. But my husband just experienced it. He

942
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:14.360
retired right at sixty two. He's a retired cop. He

943
00:42:14.400 --> 00:42:16.880
retired when he was forty two, but then he retired

944
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:20.000
from you know, he had a pension from the police department,

945
00:42:20.039 --> 00:42:21.760
and then he went on to be a park ranger

946
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:24.079
from the next twenty Then he retired for good at

947
00:42:24.119 --> 00:42:26.840
sixty two, and he's now he's seventy two. So he

948
00:42:26.960 --> 00:42:29.039
just tried to get a job at Low's, just part time,

949
00:42:29.880 --> 00:42:31.559
and they were acted there was pretty nice, and he

950
00:42:31.679 --> 00:42:33.400
just wanted to do here and there, just to get

951
00:42:33.400 --> 00:42:35.280
out of the house. The very next day, after he

952
00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:37.039
got home from the interview, they sent him a little

953
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:40.039
thing that said that he wasn't you know, picked, And

954
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:43.599
I'm wondering it felt like agism. It did. Even though

955
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:46.519
he's in good condition too and can left fifty pounds

956
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:52.360
that sounded funny to me. It just felt like there

957
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:53.599
was agism involved. There.

958
00:42:54.679 --> 00:42:57.320
Yeah, I mean it's interesting. I'm sorry to hear that.

959
00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.559
But also it's one of the realities of this, you know,

960
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:03.320
this world, is that there's so many assumptions because of

961
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:06.039
a number on someone. And I'm sure your husband's very vital,

962
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:07.840
he's very healthy. He does this thing. He wants to

963
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:10.519
find some work to occupy some time, make a couple

964
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:11.320
of pocket.

965
00:43:11.039 --> 00:43:12.960
Change or whatever, exactly all of that.

966
00:43:13.039 --> 00:43:16.679
And it's interesting how sometimes they close the door to you.

967
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:18.800
Figure. I thought it was agism because they have a

968
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:22.159
big giant sign out on Route one, the main main

969
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:27.199
route there in Rehobeth that says they're hiring. Mm, they're

970
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:29.599
really actively hiring a lot of people now for the spring,

971
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:32.639
you know, the upcoming big busy season. You got this

972
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:35.800
little thing, and so I'm like, oh gosh.

973
00:43:35.519 --> 00:43:38.159
I think what sometimes employees forget that people who have

974
00:43:38.239 --> 00:43:41.599
had experience are actually on time, they don't call out sick,

975
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:44.199
they actually have a good work attitude, they want to

976
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:45.800
do a good job. There's a lot of things that

977
00:43:45.840 --> 00:43:48.239
come with being a little bit older and bringing the

978
00:43:48.280 --> 00:43:50.400
experience that you do have. You're probably great and patient

979
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:52.960
with people. There's so many attributes that you come with

980
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:56.039
experience that I think employers tend to forget.

981
00:43:57.079 --> 00:44:01.239
So I agree with the answer. Yeah, yeah, completely, I agree.

982
00:44:01.360 --> 00:44:06.159
I think, uh yeah, oh, And I think it's I

983
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:08.400
think it's partly because we have so many different age

984
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:11.320
groups in nursing, just the whole gamut, you know. Yeah,

985
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:13.079
it just runs from you know, new grad all the

986
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:15.199
way up and it's it's a real mix. So I

987
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:17.840
think that we avoid the ageism issue in nursing.

988
00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:20.119
I think good, that is good.

989
00:44:20.519 --> 00:44:23.000
That is good. I think in nursing what hurts people

990
00:44:23.039 --> 00:44:26.840
the most is their own bad health. Honestly, that that

991
00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:29.280
takes them out earlier and gets it makes it harder

992
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:31.039
to do their jobs. You know, they're just out of

993
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:31.880
shape and whatnot.

994
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:36.639
And then can I ask you, so you said you

995
00:44:36.719 --> 00:44:39.840
graduated from nursing school at age forty seven. Mm hmmm,

996
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:44.039
So what was it from your previous career that was

997
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:46.639
there something that happened or you just said you just

998
00:44:46.639 --> 00:44:48.840
felt like you needed a change, you weren't.

999
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:51.360
I think it was it was driven both by money

1000
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:54.119
and by the scheduling because I was getting Nicolette. Let

1001
00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:56.599
me see, they weren't in high school yet, or Nicolette

1002
00:44:56.599 --> 00:44:58.480
was just starting high school. So I was like thinking

1003
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:01.039
about her her future like in college. I thought, I

1004
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:03.039
need to pull in more money that I'm making here

1005
00:45:03.079 --> 00:45:05.000
as a proper manager. Number one and then number two

1006
00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:07.280
is I thought that twelve our shifts were really good

1007
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:09.480
for like quality of life. Like I do, I work

1008
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:11.800
three days a week, it's twelve hour shifts. It's it's

1009
00:45:11.880 --> 00:45:13.840
you know, it's a long day, but still just three

1010
00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:16.039
days a week. And that was a big, you know

1011
00:45:16.159 --> 00:45:19.760
drive too towards that career. And Angela when she was born,

1012
00:45:19.880 --> 00:45:22.840
she was a pre MEI she you know, I got

1013
00:45:22.840 --> 00:45:25.280
a really good feel for the profession from when she

1014
00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:28.119
was a baby. Just the nurses that took care of

1015
00:45:28.159 --> 00:45:30.400
her were just like, you know, there were like our angels,

1016
00:45:30.400 --> 00:45:32.400
and it I just was amazed at the work that

1017
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:34.239
they did and how how good they cared for her.

1018
00:45:34.280 --> 00:45:36.039
And I always stuck in my mind. But just the

1019
00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:38.239
nursing field stuck in my mind. So when it came

1020
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:40.599
time to make the change, it felt like it was

1021
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:42.960
that was where I would go. So I'm glad.

1022
00:45:43.679 --> 00:45:46.599
Yeah, that's just kind of personal for you, right right,

1023
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:47.800
we had that experience.

1024
00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:50.719
Yeah, it was a great experience, and it just stuck

1025
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:53.079
with me. Didn't do anything about it back back then,

1026
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:55.480
but over the years I went through you know, once

1027
00:45:55.519 --> 00:45:56.960
I was I got to the point in my life

1028
00:45:56.960 --> 00:45:58.480
where I was like, this is the time to make

1029
00:45:58.519 --> 00:46:00.800
that change. So I needed to make it. I'm glad

1030
00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:02.559
I did it worked out.

1031
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:05.880
No, I mean just it just sounds like your life

1032
00:46:05.920 --> 00:46:09.239
right now, which is amazing, with your kids, your husband,

1033
00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:14.079
your career. I mean, is there anything anything that you

1034
00:46:14.280 --> 00:46:17.239
haven't accomplished but maybe it's still on your tickle file?

1035
00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:22.199
Not for not professionally and not really personally. But I

1036
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:26.599
would say that just in terms of the things that

1037
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:29.000
are on my bucket list would be just some points

1038
00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:33.239
of areas I want to travel to m but anything

1039
00:46:33.280 --> 00:46:36.000
else I had to say, there's anything that stands out

1040
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:37.840
like a burning desire to do something else. I feel

1041
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:40.960
very very much fulfilled and that I've done what I

1042
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:44.480
really wanted to do the most. Now I feel like

1043
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:48.079
I'm just sort of just you know, I'm really enjoying

1044
00:46:48.079 --> 00:46:51.159
life more. And and it isn't just you hear people say, oh,

1045
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:53.599
my kids are grown, so now I can enjoy enjoy life.

1046
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:56.119
I don't think that's really so much it I don't

1047
00:46:56.119 --> 00:46:57.960
know what it is. I think it's just that, and

1048
00:46:58.039 --> 00:46:59.679
maybe it is part of that. You just have more

1049
00:46:59.679 --> 00:47:03.960
time for yourself as you get older. That's something about it.

1050
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:05.800
I don't know. I mean, I don't know what it is.

1051
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.760
You just feel like you're you're at a stage in

1052
00:47:08.760 --> 00:47:10.360
your life where you can just you feel don't feel

1053
00:47:10.360 --> 00:47:13.159
guilty about focusing more on yourself and the things that

1054
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:15.519
you enjoy. So yeah, just keep doing that.

1055
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:18.920
So I ask you because we mentioned my brother Frank,

1056
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:22.119
so he's a grandfather. His daughter, Brittany had a baby

1057
00:47:22.119 --> 00:47:27.440
girl sixteen months ago, so that was my mom's my

1058
00:47:27.559 --> 00:47:30.800
mom's first great grandchild. One of my other nieces is

1059
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:35.119
expecting a baby in June. Do you think about future

1060
00:47:35.519 --> 00:47:37.199
will you have the title of grandmother?

1061
00:47:38.079 --> 00:47:40.199
Yeah, well, yeah, I don't have my own grandchildren, but

1062
00:47:40.360 --> 00:47:44.760
Gary's got all these grandchildren that are my bonus grands Nice.

1063
00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:45.800
How many are there?

1064
00:47:46.360 --> 00:47:48.719
We have the three his son has three boys, and

1065
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:51.400
then his new wife has a daughter, so there's like

1066
00:47:51.440 --> 00:47:55.159
the step granddaughter. And then his daughter has a Gary's

1067
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:58.000
daughter has two kids that are grown. Basically, yeah, they're

1068
00:47:58.239 --> 00:47:59.280
out of high school grown.

1069
00:47:59.440 --> 00:48:01.239
My gosh, you're huge, I know.

1070
00:48:01.679 --> 00:48:06.239
Sorry, yeah, kind of, but Angie's a great grandmother, Andrew.

1071
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:08.599
Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, wow she is.

1072
00:48:08.840 --> 00:48:12.119
Because you know she had her son, Miya Litho. She

1073
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:14.360
had him when she was only eighteen, and then he

1074
00:48:14.519 --> 00:48:17.599
had his son when he was pretty young. Yeah, when

1075
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:20.960
you have your kids. Yeah, so then so then my nephew, Meetho,

1076
00:48:21.079 --> 00:48:24.679
is a grandfather. Yes, he's a grandfather. So Angie is

1077
00:48:24.679 --> 00:48:26.000
a grand a great.

1078
00:48:25.800 --> 00:48:29.159
Grand wow's crazy.

1079
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:31.960
Do you take advantage of any senior discounts?

1080
00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:35.760
You bet? I do? I love it. Oh gosh, I

1081
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:37.760
love it. I love that. I love that so much.

1082
00:48:37.840 --> 00:48:38.840
Which ones do you?

1083
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:42.119
Oh? Every year there is a it's called Saint Anthony's

1084
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.559
Italian Festival up in Wilmington, up north of Delaware, where

1085
00:48:46.079 --> 00:48:49.000
our biggest city is Wilmington. We go every June, and

1086
00:48:49.119 --> 00:48:51.320
one year, I guess I'm sixty three, so it must

1087
00:48:51.320 --> 00:48:52.800
have been two years ago when I was. It was

1088
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:55.960
after I was at least sixty. We were in line.

1089
00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.559
It's not the only moves fast anyway, but still somebody

1090
00:48:58.880 --> 00:49:02.400
came out and said, is anybody anybody over sixty? You

1091
00:49:02.400 --> 00:49:03.360
can go in for free?

1092
00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:07.280
I was like, yes's we believe you.

1093
00:49:07.400 --> 00:49:08.320
They didn't believe you, did?

1094
00:49:08.320 --> 00:49:10.440
They out of my way, out of my way.

1095
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:12.119
They didn't check our IDs or anything.

1096
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:12.719
I'm serious.

1097
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:17.400
I was like, come on then, you know we'll believe you. Yeah,

1098
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:20.119
oh yeah, I love that. Like the movies, you get

1099
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:22.800
your senior right at the movies. What else. There's a

1100
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:25.599
lot of little perks. Sometimes it's only a couple of dollars,

1101
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:29.800
but it's still fun. Every little helps, and it is

1102
00:49:29.880 --> 00:49:30.639
still fun.

1103
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:32.840
Because you're okay calling it out. Because I was in

1104
00:49:32.840 --> 00:49:34.679
line with my friend in Palm Springs who wanted to

1105
00:49:34.679 --> 00:49:36.920
go to the Sizzler and he's like he was in

1106
00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:38.480
front of me and they were ordering and said and

1107
00:49:38.559 --> 00:49:41.039
then they said, oh, wait, don you're a senior. Said no,

1108
00:49:41.079 --> 00:49:43.159
I'm not. I'm not a senior. I don't. Why would

1109
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:46.920
I get it? Like, no, how old were you last year?

1110
00:49:47.079 --> 00:49:48.360
Sixty to sixty one?

1111
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:51.719
No you were, Yeah, technically it was definitely.

1112
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:53.840
So what is it? Is it fifty five plus? Usually

1113
00:49:53.840 --> 00:49:54.559
that's seen.

1114
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:57.519
No, No, it used to be there. They're raising it

1115
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:00.280
on everything now like now it's sixty on everything. Thing

1116
00:50:00.360 --> 00:50:04.119
I think and sometimes I write at first, I think

1117
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:05.960
that the Towning Festival is the first time I ever

1118
00:50:06.079 --> 00:50:08.519
just openly said yes, I didn't want the discount because

1119
00:50:08.519 --> 00:50:11.360
I'm sixty then, but it's like anything, once you do

1120
00:50:11.400 --> 00:50:13.880
it the first time, then you're good after that. Right,

1121
00:50:14.000 --> 00:50:17.519
So after that initial acceptance, like that initially came out,

1122
00:50:17.920 --> 00:50:21.280
I am over sixty, I have to admit that, and

1123
00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:23.280
I'm happy to do it. And so then after that

1124
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:27.159
it was easy, like yes, yeah, it was easy. So yeah,

1125
00:50:27.199 --> 00:50:30.480
that's that's fun. Now you can say to people who

1126
00:50:30.639 --> 00:50:32.760
are who are afraid to be and they're sixty, you

1127
00:50:32.760 --> 00:50:36.719
can say, listen, you get all these little discounts, right,

1128
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:39.480
you know, there's a lot of positive things to come

1129
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:43.079
in the future, you know. But yeah, but if you

1130
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:44.960
have I have to say. I just have to say,

1131
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:46.840
if you if you have bad health and you're not

1132
00:50:46.840 --> 00:50:49.960
taking care of yourself, being older can be a misery.

1133
00:50:50.440 --> 00:50:53.079
So I just really really really really encourage everyone to

1134
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:55.719
be as healthy as you can get. Now you can't

1135
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:58.039
you can't anything you do about genetics, of course, but

1136
00:50:58.679 --> 00:51:00.519
just dude, did the best you can know, because my

1137
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:03.239
mom had had had Alzheimer's, you know, Gary, I think

1138
00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:06.320
you're remember that and I always have that fear, you know,

1139
00:51:06.360 --> 00:51:08.079
and that's one of the things that drives me so

1140
00:51:08.199 --> 00:51:11.239
much for like the exercise and it helps with you know,

1141
00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:14.280
against the Alzheimer's gene. And I'll do all these things,

1142
00:51:14.360 --> 00:51:17.280
you know, to get away from that genetic component. You

1143
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:20.679
know that's there. So you know, you can either resign

1144
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:23.400
yourself to that I'll probably have it too, or you

1145
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:25.199
can try to push it, you know, push against it

1146
00:51:25.400 --> 00:51:27.119
and try to get a fight against it and just

1147
00:51:27.119 --> 00:51:29.679
do whatever, educate yourself on it and try to get

1148
00:51:29.719 --> 00:51:33.880
away from that whole genetic disposition towards that. I know

1149
00:51:33.920 --> 00:51:35.920
that we have heart disease in our family. My dad,

1150
00:51:36.039 --> 00:51:38.840
you know, died from heart disease, so that's another thing,

1151
00:51:38.920 --> 00:51:42.599
you know, I try to work around as much as possible.

1152
00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:45.599
So, but that was also very generational to Elena. I

1153
00:51:45.639 --> 00:51:47.920
think with our families going up the time, and yes,

1154
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:51.320
if Gary's mom is any she's an outlive all of us.

1155
00:51:52.000 --> 00:51:55.039
Why now, how does your mom know Gary right now?

1156
00:51:55.079 --> 00:51:57.159
She's ninety seven, ninety eight in June.

1157
00:51:57.320 --> 00:51:59.199
Yeah, gene in there.

1158
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:02.320
That is just so shocking to me, I know, right,

1159
00:52:03.039 --> 00:52:05.440
I mean you could told me she was in her seventies.

1160
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:08.440
I want to believe you. I mean, she's another one.

1161
00:52:08.480 --> 00:52:10.400
She just does what she does and she doesn't think

1162
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:11.440
about her age number.

1163
00:52:11.519 --> 00:52:16.159
Right, No, never about her agent. She's very happy and realizes,

1164
00:52:16.440 --> 00:52:18.480
you know, she's lucky to be where she is and

1165
00:52:18.559 --> 00:52:20.679
if something were to happen, and you know that she

1166
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:23.360
has no regrets about you know anything.

1167
00:52:24.159 --> 00:52:28.039
Yeah, yeah, oh man, that's incredible.

1168
00:52:28.159 --> 00:52:29.639
Don't you about the time she tried to run me

1169
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:30.559
over in the parking lot?

1170
00:52:30.840 --> 00:52:31.360
Did not?

1171
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:35.000
She told to hit the gas in the parking lot,

1172
00:52:35.119 --> 00:52:37.679
hit the gas, get him don.

1173
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:42.440
Don is the thorn in her side. She's always joking with.

1174
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:44.400
Her what she did say it?

1175
00:52:45.400 --> 00:52:46.480
It is so funny.

1176
00:52:46.840 --> 00:52:48.599
She maybe said it, she didn't mean.

1177
00:52:48.719 --> 00:52:50.679
Maybe you said it Gary. I think it was you.

1178
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:56.840
Maybe maybe he influenced her. She's an angel. Yeah, she

1179
00:52:57.440 --> 00:52:59.320
had to come from Gary. She would never think of

1180
00:52:59.519 --> 00:52:59.880
her own.

1181
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:02.079
It's typical, typical, typical.

1182
00:53:02.559 --> 00:53:04.280
It sounds like something she would say, though. She's so

1183
00:53:04.360 --> 00:53:05.960
funny right.

1184
00:53:06.360 --> 00:53:08.159
From the work side. Do you find yourself giving a

1185
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:10.119
lot of advice to the younger nurses that.

1186
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:12.239
You were I try not to a lot, you know.

1187
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:13.639
I don't want them to look at you like I'm

1188
00:53:13.639 --> 00:53:14.840
a big nag or something.

1189
00:53:15.039 --> 00:53:17.639
No, No, I meant do they come to you for advice?

1190
00:53:17.760 --> 00:53:18.599
Do they come to you?

1191
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:21.840
They do a little bit. Yeah, okay, they do a

1192
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:24.559
little bit. Yeah, I don't know. I think actually they

1193
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:27.400
do a lot now that I think about it. Yeah,

1194
00:53:27.440 --> 00:53:30.000
and I think. You know, it is nursing, is you

1195
00:53:30.079 --> 00:53:32.480
think independently, but also in a lot of ways team

1196
00:53:32.519 --> 00:53:36.280
players too, because you're not completely alone at work. You know,

1197
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:40.079
there's always somebody else. So yeah, they are. They are

1198
00:53:40.079 --> 00:53:42.519
good about asking about things. Here's one good thing. The

1199
00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:45.039
other good thing about being your sixties in my profession

1200
00:53:45.039 --> 00:53:47.440
at least, is you can do the sort of like

1201
00:53:47.639 --> 00:53:50.639
I'm the wise elder, let me tell you what I think,

1202
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:54.639
and you have there's like some somehow there's more validity

1203
00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:56.960
to your opinion. Now now you feel like the wise elder.

1204
00:53:57.559 --> 00:53:59.880
And it's kind of kind of cool, like let's listen.

1205
00:54:00.199 --> 00:54:01.800
She has to say, you know, kind of thing.

1206
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:05.559
You're constantly learning, right, so, and you have to gain

1207
00:54:05.639 --> 00:54:08.800
more experience. So when the younger ones are newer to

1208
00:54:08.880 --> 00:54:12.119
the profession, come on board, and you can observe something

1209
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:13.920
and say, you know what, what you might want to

1210
00:54:13.960 --> 00:54:18.320
consider is X. That's just you passing on knowledge and yeah,

1211
00:54:18.920 --> 00:54:22.039
you know, and empowering them.

1212
00:54:22.159 --> 00:54:25.559
Yeah, yes, that's true. That's true because I also tell them.

1213
00:54:25.719 --> 00:54:28.119
You know, it doesn't matter how long you've been a nurse,

1214
00:54:28.400 --> 00:54:31.320
even if you're newer or an older nurse. Older nurses

1215
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:33.880
make mistakes too, you know. Don't just think just because

1216
00:54:33.920 --> 00:54:37.199
we're in this field and we've got this experience, that

1217
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:39.559
that we are the end all know all. I mean,

1218
00:54:39.599 --> 00:54:42.199
we make mistakes just like the younger people do. And

1219
00:54:42.360 --> 00:54:44.679
you know, we're still in a way, we're still all

1220
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.679
on one level playing field at work. You know, we're

1221
00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:51.480
all capable of doing great things and also making mistakes,

1222
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:52.639
you know, human mistakes.

1223
00:54:52.760 --> 00:54:54.400
It's understandable, that's true.

1224
00:54:54.480 --> 00:54:57.880
Ever, thought of being an instructor or a teacher, if

1225
00:54:57.960 --> 00:54:59.320
someone well, I don't.

1226
00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:02.320
Know, you know, it is something that I could think about.

1227
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:06.920
You're a vast experience, your your common sense, your ability

1228
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:09.280
to do what you do. I mean, that sounds like

1229
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:10.239
that's really good.

1230
00:55:10.280 --> 00:55:12.800
That could be an idea. The only thing that that

1231
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.039
would stand in the way, though, is they want you

1232
00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:17.880
to have a master's degree to be like a nurse instructor,

1233
00:55:17.960 --> 00:55:22.119
nursing instructor, school instructor. That's a huge commitment right there. True,

1234
00:55:22.360 --> 00:55:24.000
and financially too, So I.

1235
00:55:23.960 --> 00:55:25.719
Don't know, but you could ride your bike to school,

1236
00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:26.239
It doesn't matter.

1237
00:55:26.360 --> 00:55:28.800
I could actually could, I could, and it could be cold,

1238
00:55:28.960 --> 00:55:29.400
and I could.

1239
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:31.440
Still do it exactly exactly.

1240
00:55:32.079 --> 00:55:35.280
So we talked about giving advice to younger nurses. But

1241
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:38.280
one question we ask our guest is what advice would

1242
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:40.559
you give your younger self? And that you could say

1243
00:55:40.719 --> 00:55:42.840
your twenty five year old self, you're thirty yearself, your

1244
00:55:42.880 --> 00:55:46.119
eighteen year old self. You pick the age. But looking back,

1245
00:55:46.320 --> 00:55:49.519
is there advice you would give your younger self about anything?

1246
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:54.840
Hmmm? Advice I would say, I would. I would tell

1247
00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:58.599
myself to be so hard on yourself. You know, you're

1248
00:55:58.639 --> 00:56:01.280
just as good as everybody else is, you're you're just

1249
00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:04.199
as smart as everyone you're not. You know, you're not less.

1250
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:06.199
I would, I would want to be a little more,

1251
00:56:06.360 --> 00:56:08.320
Tell her be a little more confident, don't be so

1252
00:56:08.400 --> 00:56:09.519
down on yourself.

1253
00:56:10.119 --> 00:56:12.159
That's very relatable. I think a lot of us can

1254
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:15.039
say that same thing, right, is that we're too hard

1255
00:56:15.039 --> 00:56:17.159
on ourselves a certain age, thinking we're the only ones.

1256
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:19.159
We're not good enough, we're not smart enough, we're not

1257
00:56:19.199 --> 00:56:25.400
whatever enough. Right, And maybe because we didn't have people

1258
00:56:25.599 --> 00:56:29.719
lifting us up, encouraging us, maybe don't have that support system. Yep,

1259
00:56:30.119 --> 00:56:31.960
or you might, but you don't. You know, you don't

1260
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:34.840
believe in yourself. You don't have that self confidence, which

1261
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.119
is what you get. I mean, I think I've gotten

1262
00:56:37.119 --> 00:56:38.760
more confident as I've gotten older.

1263
00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:41.920
Older. Yeah, well there's something else to look forward to.

1264
00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:45.960
You get older and you get calmer. I think when

1265
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:48.400
you as you get older, that's a good thing, don't.

1266
00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:51.639
I don't sweat the little things that may be bothering

1267
00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:54.320
before and it's like, you know what, just let this

1268
00:56:54.360 --> 00:56:57.960
one go, right, there's more important things to focus on,

1269
00:56:58.199 --> 00:56:58.400
you know.

1270
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:00.360
That's a great way to Yeah, yeah.

1271
00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:02.679
Appreciate what you have as opposed to why I don't

1272
00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:05.599
have as much money or I don't have this. It's like, yeah,

1273
00:57:05.599 --> 00:57:08.519
but what what do you have? I appreciate that.

1274
00:57:08.840 --> 00:57:11.360
I was definitely not that way younger days. I was

1275
00:57:11.400 --> 00:57:14.159
definitely not that introspective, and I wish I had been,

1276
00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:15.519
you know, it.

1277
00:57:15.480 --> 00:57:18.199
Would have been Yeah, but that comes with Asian experience.

1278
00:57:18.199 --> 00:57:20.400
I think I think everyone goes through that, right, and

1279
00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:24.519
that we all have our own journeys, and some of

1280
00:57:24.599 --> 00:57:29.400
us some will learn that lesson sooner and some will

1281
00:57:29.400 --> 00:57:32.400
take longer. I mean, I didn't become maybe a little

1282
00:57:32.480 --> 00:57:36.519
more confident or felt like I had a voice. I

1283
00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:38.599
mean I could have been maybe in my forties or

1284
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:41.880
maybe even fifties, right we just yeah, you think, oh

1285
00:57:41.880 --> 00:57:44.599
I'm thirty five, I should know I probably didn't.

1286
00:57:45.079 --> 00:57:47.920
Right, Yeah, So that's something to really look forward to

1287
00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:51.480
for everybody who's younger than us. Is it does? It? Does?

1288
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:54.440
I do just feel better at calmer, you know, you

1289
00:57:54.480 --> 00:57:56.800
feel like more focused when you're older. And I think

1290
00:57:57.119 --> 00:57:58.559
that's a lot to look that's a great thing to

1291
00:57:58.559 --> 00:57:59.159
look forward to.

1292
00:58:00.199 --> 00:58:02.719
Also when we're younger and we think about someone like

1293
00:58:02.760 --> 00:58:04.960
we were kids, we think about our forty year old

1294
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.239
teacher like, oh my god, he or she's so old

1295
00:58:07.320 --> 00:58:12.440
they're forty right. But then funny, but then we get

1296
00:58:12.480 --> 00:58:15.599
older in a second, Wait a minute, I'm on a solid,

1297
00:58:15.800 --> 00:58:18.719
more solid foundation now at this age than I was

1298
00:58:18.800 --> 00:58:23.800
at that age, right, or more experience, more confidence, more yes,

1299
00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:27.159
life experience right right?

1300
00:58:27.199 --> 00:58:30.159
So yeah, And I wish that the like like Donnie

1301
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:32.159
was saying, you know, I wish that the employers would

1302
00:58:32.199 --> 00:58:36.119
would be more aware of these these attributes for older

1303
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:38.920
people instead of just automatically saying, oh he's you know,

1304
00:58:39.039 --> 00:58:40.880
he's this age. We don't want him to get hurt

1305
00:58:40.960 --> 00:58:42.360
lifting a box or something.

1306
00:58:43.039 --> 00:58:45.400
So yeah, and there definitely are companies I've heard there

1307
00:58:45.400 --> 00:58:48.079
are companies that look for that and embrace that, but

1308
00:58:48.360 --> 00:58:50.559
it takes a little homework to find out where those

1309
00:58:50.760 --> 00:58:55.679
companies are right because they do value someone who has, yes, older,

1310
00:58:55.719 --> 00:58:56.639
but more experience.

1311
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:07.360
So that was wonderful, Gary, I mean it was, it

1312
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:09.360
was amazing. I can't believe how long I forgot the

1313
00:59:09.440 --> 00:59:09.960
rat story.

1314
00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:13.280
I oh my god. I was so thrilled to see

1315
00:59:13.280 --> 00:59:17.119
her because it's been forever and she looks the same.

1316
00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:21.239
I mean it's just like nothing has changed. Yeah, so

1317
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:23.480
super happy to have her join us.

1318
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:25.920
So there was a lot of wonderful person too. She's

1319
00:59:26.000 --> 00:59:28.320
not changed. I remember her being so sparkly and bright.

1320
00:59:28.440 --> 00:59:30.119
Yeah, yeah, exactly.

1321
00:59:30.360 --> 00:59:32.039
So are we ready to shut this one down?

1322
00:59:32.360 --> 00:59:33.760
I think we are okay.

1323
00:59:33.840 --> 00:59:35.639
Well, thank you for joining us at don and Gary

1324
00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:38.159
Doing sixty. We hope you enjoyed spending some time and

1325
00:59:38.239 --> 00:59:41.079
quality with us. Join us next time as we navigate

1326
00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:44.159
the world at this age, as you don't forget that

1327
00:59:44.199 --> 00:59:47.320
we're found on all the Spotify and Apple podcasts. Donna

1328
00:59:47.320 --> 00:59:50.480
Gary on Instagram at Donna Gary Doing sixty. Gary, what's

1329
00:59:50.480 --> 00:59:51.719
our email address. I forgot it.

1330
00:59:52.880 --> 00:59:58.639
I believe it is Don and Gary doing sixty at

1331
00:59:58.679 --> 00:59:59.719
gmail dot com.

1332
01:00:00.079 --> 01:00:02.360
And if you want to get a full load of us,

1333
01:00:03.440 --> 01:00:05.760
all of it, don't forget YouTube it the fight for

1334
01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:11.199
pod done. Gary Human sixty so great, Garry, thank.

1335
01:00:11.079 --> 01:00:16.280
You, absolutely, thank you. This is great. We will see

1336
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:18.679
you and talk to you all person.

1337
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:20.119
Yes, I guess