S2E15 "Ain't Nobody Got Time For That"-Special Guest Phoebe Fazio PART 1

0:04 Phoebe's here. Do you want me let her in? Well? Hello, guys like that, Hello, Hello, Hello, that's what you do to all your guests. Just you. Well, we're paying you a lot of money to do this, you know, so we can do whatever we want, right Basically, did you get the check checks in the mount Oh yeah no we we we wired that over to your your Swiss bank account. Yes, I didn't set there, the Bahamas account whichever. When you have the money that the laundry Caribbean?

0:46 Yeah, so how are you? I'm good? Good to that. I kind of didn't, but what the hell? Well that's how we know you, Donnie, I need to go back to my youth. I definitely and nobody got okay, who I'll do the intro. Welcome to Dong Gary doing sixty. We're here to unwrap, unpack and navigate the world at this age. You can find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeartRadio, and wherever amazing podcasts are found. We're on Instagram and faceback. We're not on faceback, we're on Facebook.

1:38 Maybe we should be added to face back. And we're also on Blue Sky and of course you can watch us on our YouTube channel at five for pod Don and Gary doing sixty. Gary, how the heck are you? I'm doing good. As you mentioned earlier, it has been a busy week and it's. Only Wednesday, is it? Is it a hump day? It is a well, yes, it is a day, that's true. I forgot to open with that. But no, we had a fun weekend. We actually got to hang out. That was so much fun. Gary. Oh my gosh, you're good at this. Let me ask you. I think I know. But when do you think was the last time that you and I saw each other in person? Good question. I'm going to guess that it was either your sixtieth at your when you had it at the clubhouse I think, or at a clubhouse in the city. Yeah, I'm going to bet it was then.

2:34 That's what I'm thinking. And wow, my birthday is in a few weeks, so that means that's coming up on three years ago. Was the last time we were in the same room? That's crazy? That is crazy. Well, you know, we should have taken more pictures because we're like Michael and Janet. No one believes we're not the same people. So which one are you? Are you Michael or you Janet? I want to be Janet. I think, okay, but you know, Michael's not with us anymore, so maybe we should both be Janet. Missus Jackson. If you're nasty, I know you are. But the reason for getting together this past weekend was that this year two of our friends from high school retired, one of whom was a guest on our three Piece podcast and at that point she was thinking, oh, what about a year or so I will be thinking about retiring.

3:22 That's Amy focuson. And the other honoree at this event was Lisa Zadak. I've known Lisa since middle school and I've known Amy since elementary school. Wow, this has been a few years. But yeah, so earlier this year they're both, you know, just putting the word out they were retiring, and I thought, you know, we need to honor this in some way, We need to celebrate it in some way. So I approached both of them. I'm thinking about March, and I said, hey, would you be interested if we had a party in both of yours honor? And then we checked our calendar, will work, and we said, okay, let's pick a Saturday in auguste and I found a venue hundred Park for those of you for me with the Bay Area. It's in Woodside and the hills above Rived City, beautiful grounds and they've got a ton of picnic areas you can reserve, so I reserved one of those spots. We had thirty guests, some of whom including you think you came from out of the area. You came from southern California, another gentleman from southern California, one friend and her husband from Washington State, and everyone else was more or less Bay Area or within a few hours of driving. And it was a potluck picnic and it worked out really well, so and I didn't want it to be surprised. There's no way you could pull that off, so I had to have them in on it. So yeah, it was a really fun event. It was just a long day for me because I got there early, had set everything up, and

4:54 then you and I got together for dinner that night, which is really nice. Well, I have to say here's if you think, I mean, congratulations you for corralling all those kittens, because that's not easy to do. And also congratulations on more than thirty pounds of food for thirty people because there was a lot of lumpia. Thank you Shirley Peretz. That was pretty amazing. She had about fourteen pounds of lumpia alone. There was so much food there. It was a lot crazy, Yes, and it was. It was so nice, scary. Everyone was so happy and friendly. And I think, you know, I think it's it's a kudos to you for pulling that all together. It's not easy to coordinate that many people. You put a good fishing net out there way ahead of time so people could actually commit to it and show up. And it was great to see Patty all the way from Vancouver, Washington, you said, right, yeah, And who was the other outlier besides myself, Frank McGuire Frank right, Hi, Frank McGuire.

5:50 So yeah, So I was. I was fun to see everybody. Some some people hadn't seen others since high school. Which is crazy because I don't think I've seen Patty since. Yeah, I don't think I graduated. Back in twenty twelve, right, isn't that when we graduated high school? Well, I think your calendar needs to be. Updated also to you. Let's go with it. And then other than that, I didn't have any other news. The singer I'm obsessed with. Yes, she's British. She's twenty seven years old. She reminds me, and she just came across my Instagram feed just randomly and like, oh, I like that. I like that.

6:30 And her look is very kind of from the fifties era, you know, she's got that like a little bit of bodacious body and she dresses beautifully. Okay, you were to compare to someone, I would say Amy Winehouse. Oh really okay? And her I think this is her stage ta I don't think that's a really bitter stage. Name is ray r Aye and she's a little jazzy, little bluesy little you know. She's got a great band behind her and she's touring a lot, but only in Europe. And I checked. I mean, I neither went to a website, like when are you going to be in the States, And the only opportunity was like a jazz festival like in Rhode Island that's coming up this fall. But like, if I know that, if she tours close by, I'm going to go see her.

7:18 So check her. Out, ray are a ye. I just do a search on Instagram. She does. She posts a lot of segments of some of her performed live performances. She thinks she. Writes a lot of her songs. Some are really kind of personal and you know, heartfeld and others are kind of just you know, fun and playful and bluesy. And yeah, so I think she does mostly original. Maybe we'll talk to the editors and see if they can't put a little clip of ray into this podcast. So what I don't know that. I hear the editors very talented and very young and new of the business.

8:00 So yeah, we'll see what we can do. We'll give him a call. Do that tip your tip your waiters and wait staff, please. So we do have a special guest joining us today, Yes, and not a surprise, but she's someone we know from high school. M you've not seen her in a while. Well, when she gets on, we'll figure out when the last time you do saw each other. It was at a holiday party several years ago I had a family home. Yes, I agree. And how many you're better at this than I am in with dates? How when was that? Do you remember? It may have been.

8:41 Ten years ago? No, is that too much? Too many years? Maybe she'll remember, but that's that's on my list. Uh. And then I've got a so I have a small short intro for her because she's got lots of titles, lots of roles, but she is a member of the sixty group be joined by her in a few minutes. Well, I think we should just you know, feel some time before because until she knocks on the door, I'm not going to be able to let her in. So it's either a knock or a doorbell. I'm not sure which one it's going to be, so depends again on that editor and what they come up with. It could be pretty funny or it could be really just not that great at all. We got some new neighbors. We had a little yard party because the weather's still amazing here, which is okay real quick. When I was visiting San Francisco, I was so on the fence about whether I missed it horribly or didn't miss it, because when we got there, I mean, luckily that day in hundred Park, the weather was amazing. It was beautiful outside. It started out a little overcast, but then it got really actually quite warm and beautiful. And then the following morning, after dinner I had with you, that morning, I was leaving and it was completely socked in again. Yeah, so it was kind of nice to see. I went back to Westportal, my old hood, and hung out there and got some coffee and the dangers and everything was really quite nice. But wait, sorry, I think I hear a little knocking or something on the door.

9:54 It's knocking at the door. Let's find out where they are. Who this possibly could be? Oh? Who oh? Who could it be? Who's that lady? Did you write her a check? Did you invite me? Am? I in the right place? You check, ma'am? Did we just I have not received a check? Okay, well then thanks for coming Gary, go ahead. What were you saying? Don't don't hold your breath. So for our listeners and those of you who watch on YouTube will see her. But our special guest is Phoebe Fozzio. It's someone that Don and I met. We all met our freshman year of high school. That's Ericon High School in Samuteo. I did the math. The year was nineteen seventy seven.

10:43 Damn, I was Are. You ready done forty eight years ago? Excuse me while I pass out. That's not possible, is it really? Yeah? No, right, your math is wrong. I know you're very intelligent, but that's got to be wrong. There's like your advocates is wrong. So just a short intro before we get started. So after a high sculpture graduated, Phoebe and I both attended you see, Santa Barbara. I was only there for two years, but I did keep in touch with her, and I will come back to this. There's a story of a funny story I want to share. But after I left Santa Barbara, Phoebe was still there. She had moved off campus, lived in an apartment, and I went and visited her.

11:31 So that's story number one. I'll come back to you. But we've kept in touch over the years pretty regularly. I mean I tended her wedding. I am honorary uncle who her two daughters. Let's see some of the titles would be a businesswoman, a published author, a teacher, a musician. Another musician that would be singer slash pianist. She's a mom, she's a wife. She's got more titles. That'll let her expand on that. And then in our little. Check in yesterday, she reminded, four years ago you got married, and I had the great honor being asked by Phoebe to be one of two people to walk her. Down the aisle. Oh, which was super touching and I was honored to do it. So story number two that I'll tell later has to do with that. So with that, I want to welcome our guest, Phoebe Fossio.

12:26 Hey, everybody, so glad to be here with you guys. So phoebe real quick. We were just scared and I were talking to We had mentioned the last time, but the last time you and I had actually seen each other in the flesh was at I think your family home. It was a holiday part. And we were trying to figure out what year that was. Do you remember you're good with data. Probably twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen. Yeah, I must have been twenty seventeen. Yeah, mom passed away in March of the next year, and my mom was there, I think right. It was like a Fourth of July fourth. Joly, well, the one that Don atten was. I thought a holiday party, but you also did fourth because I've been to the family home several times.

13:10 Who knows, you know. It was just constant parties at my house, you know. Amember seeing fireworks afterwards? Done? Well, No, I had some wine. You know, anywhere Don goes there are fireworks. Yeah, July December doesn't matter. Yeah, our house was across the street from a big fireworks display. You wouldn't have forgotten it. I recall the weather was good, so it probably was a summer thing or a spring thing. I forget, but yeah, but anyway, so it was. It's great to see you again. It's really great to be here going out with you guys forbid. Yeah, so I mentioned sometimes, So if we go back a little bit, so out of high school, you've always been a musician. So you got a degree in in what piano?

14:00 Piano performance was my bachelor's degree. And I recall that you were a teacher in the San Jose area. I started teaching piano lessons as soon as I graduated, and then decided to go back to school to get a teaching credential. It was a little unclear on I just thought I was going to make me a better piano teacher. So I turned into a voice teacher in the schools, teaching kids how to sing and putting on performances and yeah, element and I so worked in San Jose for about four years and then due to layoffs, major layoffs.

14:44 I couldn't remember why you left, but that way they. Cut laid off all the music teachers, and both my husband, my previous husband, and I were both in the same school district, and we were like looking at each other like, Okay, this isn't a good idea both income to income. Yeah, yea. And fortunately we knew he had a friend that had moved was living in the Reading Area, and so we had visited a few times, and we're like, let's go, let's go visit them, and let's go see if there's something up there for us. And as the Bay Area was slashing all the music programs up here, they were thriving.

15:31 So we saw incredible music programs and we're like, okay, there's possibility up here. We moved up here without jobs. We sent resumes around but did not have jobs, and we moved up here. So what do you think that the music programs were happening or flourishing up where you moved to as opposed to the Bay Area. You understand city countries in school. Districts or I don't really understand it other than it's maybe a little behind the times, you know. But you know, because all of California, you know, with Prop thirteen, schools were slashing all kinds of things, we're losing fundings.

16:12 When you were teaching and you moved up there, what grades were you teaching? Again? Like, how old were the kids? Middle school? Middle school? How old is that? I don't know, what is that? Eleven, twelve, thirteen, somewhere around there. Yeah, okay, yeah, that became my sweet spot. Okay, you know they're not jaded, kind of like the high schoolers, and they're I really like the elementary school kids too. That was my first love. But I did my student teaching in middle school, and I did a lot of my teaching in middle school, and I ended up in a KA school, so I got to do all of it my favorites.

16:54 And I got to teach choir and band and reporters and playing little isle phones and dancing and seeing and putting on shows and so. A lot of musical background, a lot of creative influences. So are there any challenges you have now communicating with gen Z gen X millennials? Do you do you understand what they're saying? My kids? So I have two kids. They're twenty eight and thirty one, So they're millennials, okay, and I I relate really well to them. They're very good at explaining things to me. No Mom, no, mom, you're not saying that right, or that's not what that means, or you know, but they've educated me all along.

17:39 So you never said physical or physicisle or and they said, like. Mom, no, come on, we grew they grew up in wedding, you know. But when when they got computers and gadgets and things, they're helping me, you know, like, how does this new fangled thing? That was my next question because I find that parents with children usually are getting an education from their kids about how to log on, log off, create a password, anything to do with technology now. And they're like, there's they're so knowledgeable about technology, you know, it just it comes so naturally. Do do they explain a lot of things to you?

18:22 Yeah, they do, and they laugh at me. You know, I was divorced for like ten years, so you know, I'm like, okay, I get on the dating sites. They used to be websites, dating sites, they're like site. What I think the kids call them the apps? Now they're apps. They're dating apps. Yes, yes, yes, I met my current husband on a dating site. It was like a web you know, membership type of thing. But you know, it still wasn't an app to be honest with you. I think these days that's how people meet each other across the board. I have met so many people online connected on uh deep levels. I feel like we are best friends. We've never met in person. Really yeah, yeah, but I don't think I would have felt safe to do that if my kids weren't doing that too.

19:25 You know. They're the ones that introduced me to YouTube and egged me on when I said I think I'm gonn make a video on YouTube, and you're like, yeah, yeah, do it, you can do it. Are we nervous when you started? Oh yeah, it's my first video is up there. Yeah, just for fun, it's and I still teach all that stuff that I put on that video. So it's pretty funny. Sophoebe. I mean, because I kept in touch with you so often, and I visited you several times. I've been writing recall that you were also doing private lessons at home, and then you got involved helping the church, either with the.

20:10 Choir or you know, yeah, I was directing the choir. So were those in addition to the school teaching or doing or were you kind of transitioning because of changes in the school it. Is why I found the church and started going to the church. Something happened. And I've had some really gnarly things happened in my career that should have been an indicator maybe I should exit stage right, you know, but this one just knocked me, like to my knees. I didn't know what to do with it. And so, you know, people say, don't do anything rash, don't quit, you know, and I was ready to quit, you know. And I didn't quit. I stayed on for another year, but it just was clear that I'm I'm done with this. I'm not enjoying it anymore. I'm stressed. I don't know where the stress is coming from. I don't know why I can't let go of that incident, and like yeah, uh, and so I left. I left teaching, and I was just in my I think I was just turning forty and I was like done. My my husband at the time was also a music teacher. As I mentioned, you know, that was our life. It was like passion. It's what we did day and night. It was like constantly going in my head the music. I'm preparing that, how we're going to do this and set this up. All these

21:41 logistics while raising our kids, and our kids were all in the music programs and piano lessons and you know, like it was everything. And then it was like, I'm just I just got to get out. So I still taught music, you know, privately, and I I started some groups outside and started working at the church. But then I had cancer and that kind of that was another thing, you know, and then shortly after treatment, then we got divorced, and you know, it was like I just can't kind of break here.

22:21 Over how many years of span, what did all that happen? Within a few years. Or was it thirty years? Is how long I was teaching. And after I left the school, I was still teaching private lessons. The other stuff kind of fell apart because I was going through treatments and stuff and it just wasn't I didn't have the energy to really market and bring it all out, and so I pivoted. Something we talk about a lot Phoebe is with people and with ourselves, is you know, people, we've lived some life, right, life has happened to us. We're living our lives. But reinvention takes place in all of forms. It always happens, sometimes much to the betterment of yourself or than ourselves when it happens. So it sounds like whatever the powers that be that guided you away from thirty years of teaching music taught told you that it was a door that needs to close.

23:17 And you had to find another door, right exactly. And so, you know, my life was not spiritual. I just have to say that because I stepped into this really spiritual thing and I just wasn't spiritual. I wasn't raised that way. Both my parents were raised in a religion, separate religions and decided that's not how they're going to raise their kids. So we didn't talk about God, we didn't talk about Jesus, we didn't talk about religion at all. So I had no spiritual grounding or understanding in anything. And this this thing that happened that kind of booted me out of teaching in the public schools. You know, I just couldn't I couldn't grapple with the emotions of it or whatever was happening. So I'm like, Okay, I think it's time to go back to therapy. So a friend recommended somebody, and I went to this person and she's she's a psychotherapist trained psychotherapist, and she said, I also do this other thing. I find it works faster than talk therapy.

24:23 And I'm like, great. I don't know what she said it was. I didn't I'd never heard of it before. And so I went to sessions and she did things I just, you know, called it voodoo or something, you know, like focus focus. I don't know what she was doing, but I felt better every time I went right. So I'm like, there's something to this. And in the process of those sessions, so I learned that she's doing energy work. She's like everything's energy and we're just you know. She told me about the chakras. There's seven chakras. She told me that each one has like a sound. And one time I was laying on her table like a massage table, and she was doing her whatever stuff. My eyes are closed, I don't really know what's going on, and I heard some sound and I never heard these before. It turns out they were crystal bowls that she was playing, and all of a sudden, my own voice started to vibrate and I started making sound, and it was like this image of I was playing in the sound waves, like the way dolphins dive and spin and play in the ocean.

25:47 It was like that swirling and spinning and leaping, and I don't know what my voice was doing. It was just making sounds and playing with those crystal ball sounds. She was doing this and then all of a sudden, you you were actually your voice actually came out yeah, and you were doing it wow, Okay. And then she encouraged and she encouraged me in sequent subsequent sessions. She's like encouraging me to make these sounds. And I was like, what are these sounds? And she said, that's called toning, okay. And you know, I mean we've sung together. We were in choir together. I've done a lot of singing, but I was never like a soloist or anything. And I was just singing along in the choir, you know, in my piano background and everything. But I had never experienced this before, and so it opened my voice.

26:44 I ended up learning more about the chakras and the tones of the chakras, and I decided that I needed to have a daily practice, you know, like those warm ups we used to do Inquire. It's that kind of thing, you know, like just toning each chakra every day. And I'd heard or read a healer say that all healing begins with the alignment of the chakras. So the end it's the you know, ligning the energy system. And so I'm like, well, that's the best way, you know. Every day, I'll just use my voice and I'll align my chakras. And I used it. So I started going to her before I was diagnosed with cancer, and so I used it.

27:29 I made those sounds. I just called them weird sounds what it were. And so I'd use it on my own and it just it relaxed me. It felt good. I wasn't trying to heal myself. I wasn't. I still went to all the doctor's appointments, did all the treatments. They told it too and everything, but the voice just was it just did its thing. I didn't, you know, by open to it, and it came over ver intrigue. Because I have to say, I don't know if you know this, but do you remember Helen Natalie that we went to high school with Ellen lenses her name now and she actually does do She uses bowls I think to do some sound healing also. But Gary, have you had any experience with this, because I have, and I just was wondering if you've had an exposed to it.

28:16 Well in visiting Phoebe, we I've experienced a little bit, but I'm not like sat through a class or not. Okay. The reason why I mentioned this because you know on YouTube there's many many places to find I find sometimes meditation, gray noise, brown noise, green eyes, whatever they are. Yeah. Plus plus what I find though, is the is it bowls, Phoebe, I'm not sure exactly. It's crystal bowls. And then there's Tibetan bulls, and I play both kinds, and I play all the instruments and stuff. I find them incredibly soothing they are, and I think sometimes but you know, it's funny sometimes the dissonance of some of them just kind of like give you almost like a not a toothache, but it somebody like, Okay, that's that's a tough one. And it's that, but that's where the healing happens. Oh really has that? That dissonance is where it's breaking up some sort of tangle in your system or the energy. Ever. Yeah, it's you know how they get in there and they and they buzz it out.

29:12 You know, they use a vibration and a sound, a sonic like a thing. Yeah, actually, break heart. I know we're going down a weird I know. But this base in science. Sound healing is ancient wisdom and and science is you know, has studied it. So it's very fascinating. I love going down this rabbit hole. But yeah, the boy, it started with the voice and kind of instilled with the energy she was doing, and the bulls she played these were crystal balls as well, and then it just it's snowballed. I just a release. Initially, I think it was a. Release, and it was an opening. So I mean, I've done a lot of like healing on this. But I grown up in a family the youngest two very active older brothers. Father was an alcoholic, so the house was kind of chaotic, and I was very quiet, very shy, and when I did try to say something, I was embarrassed or I would make they'd make fun of me, or so I would shut that down. So I didn't uh.

30:26 I wasn't used to expressing myself easily, you know, And and this just like opened it. And and that therapist and other people I worked with said you're going to help people with your voice, and and that was just like this big question like how am I doing that? Going to a hospital and make these moode sounds like I don't know on a street corner and San Francisco would be fine, nobody would Lincoln, I right. One amongst the crowd, just another.

31:07 One of those rudeos. So was this eventually morphing into a new reinvention? Yeah? Absolutely so. Now I am a reiki master, so I work with energy and then I can teach other people how to use energy for healing themselves or for others. And I add my voice and crystal bowls, Tibetan bulls. I have a Native American flute, the Tibetan bulls. I just got in Nepal when I went there and picked up a drum there, and you know it's just I got all kinds of tools. So this reinvention and this new let's say career, I mean I would say, would you call it a career?

31:52 Okay? Yeah, but you'd mentioned you've gone to Nepal. Now what was that trip for Nepal? So I went to add my sound healing and reiki to something that they were providing. This organization I went with provides healing camps like health camps for people that live in the foothills of the Himalayans. So they live they're small villages and they have no healthcare available up there, so none. They can take a bus, which you know, it's kinds carried around on the bus because like cliffs, and they can walk three hours to get there. But it's just not practical and you've got elderly people or someone who's really sick. So these health camps they bring Nepali healthcare workers, so Irorevedic doctors, nurses. Actually there were five doctors that they brought up there, and then we as volunteers came and provided whatever, you know, we whatever gifts we had. So a woman that came with us is a dance therapist, so she was leading them in dance where they could release their emotions and and she

33:27 brought of course music from Nepal's and they were very familiar with that. And then I was doing this sound healing that I do hear, introducing them to something they were already familiar with. I wanted the camps, I was like, so because I didn't bring my crystal balls, I was a little too risky. They're breakable, So I didn't bring my crystal balls, and I bought these Tibetan style bolls, handmade in Nepal, and so I brought those to the camps and I couldn't. I didn't bring my drum or my shaker either because it's just hard to pack, and so I bought a druma I couldn't find a shaker.

34:10 Apparently they don't exist there to make one. But yeah, so you know, helping people one on one or in groups. And in one of the camps, I even asked them, are you familiar do you know these? I had translators by the way, so like, do you know these bulls? And one person said, oh, yeah, my grandmother plays those. We have those in the house and my grandmother plays them once in a while. And another person said, we have some of those bulls, but nobody knows how to play them. Nobody knows what to do with them. So and that's what's happening up there, is that they're natural indigenous healing that they used to do, plant medicine and sound healing, all of that has kind of disappeared as western medicine comes in. They've got cell phones, they've got internet, so and then the younger generation of course they want what they see the Westerners have. They want to go to the doctor and get medicine, and they don't want and they have these healing plants growing everywhere. So this organization also reminds that they're working with the elders to remind them of the remedies and the plants that are right there. And then now they have health like a health post and a practitioner that works there so they

35:43 can assess people. They can say, yes, this person needs to go to the hospital or this okay, here's what we need to do. And then they're also doing a lot of preventative education, preventative medicine, things they can have in their home to have on hand, and things like that. So it's interesting because you you know, you're saying that a lot of the traditional methods are being forgotten or not practiced anymore. Younger generations would like what they believed to be helpful. Are they open to coming back to these things. Yes, So it's like the elders, you know, they're getting too old. They want to pass it down. This generation said no. There are people like more our age that were like, no, we want the good stuff, real medicine.

36:27 You know, and then the younger generation is the one that's ready to learn, wants to know what Grandma knew, wants to learn all of this plant medicine and preventative medicine. Because at the end of the camps, there were five days of camps and then they had a wrap up meeting and all the doctors were talking about they're like ninety nine percent of what they saw people for are preventative. With education and the right equipment or materials in their homes and the information, they could prevent those because I got to tell.

37:09 You, if you've listened, if you watch any television at all or anything, there is a drug. There's fifteen different kinds of drug for every single thing. I've never seen a huge long list of what's bad for you, what's going to do to you? And I can't imagine in a way I can't believe it's actually death is actually always one of them. It's always death, or you're allergic to this, don't take it. Or a lot of diarrhea. I've heard a lot of diarrhea different things. But if you mean I get it. Because you know, poor diarrhea. But I have to say, and we don't have to go down this rabbit hole. But the whole ability for doctors to prescribe medicines is way overblown.

37:50 I think there's so many I know what they do, that's what they learn in medical school. Because I hate to say it, but there they're correct. Is written by the pharmaceutical company, which other So you. Got this, you give them that, you got this, you give them this, you know this, you got to take this, this, that, And that's how cancer treatment was too. I'm like, there's five bags of things on the infusion stand there. I'm like, why what are those? Well, this is this is the chemo, and then this is the thing so that you don't react for the chemo, and then this is the thing. And then the last thing she said was and this is the thing that makes you feel better so that you'll come back again. So like they have this whole cocktail of things.

38:43 Okay, you know, Okay, So I see the point. I see yeah, and I get you know, since I finished that treatment for myself, I was all about, like natural stuff, How can I eat the most healthy way? How what can I do instead of take an aspirin for a headache? What else could I do? And so sound healing I come into contact with, Like, Wow, that's helpful for all kinds of things. Energy. Just keeping your energy calm and aligned can keep you out of a lot of trouble. And yet we're getting bombarded, you know, talk about technology, you know, the EMF waves, and there's toxins and everything in our homes and out in the world.

39:33 And so I was gonna ask Gary too, because I know, you know, Gary's on his journey with weight loss. Is it ozembic or is it okay? But I mean you also probably went through the whole litany of education yourself, too, right. Gary, Well, in the beginning, there was too much information out there and you didn't know what to believe, right, So that's when I went to my doctor first, because there's other products out there. Some were at yeah, and there's too much. And then just with food and diet, one week, this item is good for you, the next week the sem is bad for you. And then what you thought was bad, oh, now it's on the good list.

40:15 You can't do it with diet and exercise like they tell you too, you know. Yeah, So that led me to my doctor, and then he led me to the undercronologist. So just getting the knowledge and uh information was helpful and then. Seeing the results, right. I mean, they're very smart about, congratulations, starting the treatment, you know, on very low dosage and building up to it. Because a friend of mine said they started her at the highest dosage right away, and obviously her her body reacted negatively. To that because it was too much too soon. So the way my doctor did it was let's slow it down and then okay, built it up a little, but then a little more and you know. And now I'm at a position where I've kind of plateaued on my weight loss. So I'm meeting with them next month to just see what plan be is to we switch to another medication that maybe will you know, make your journey continue, or we just had to you know, figure out what needs to be adjusted. So but it's constant education and and and talking to experts. But there is that danger of finding someone who's gonna give you the easy way out.

41:26 Oh just take this pill. Just so it's like, I'm on two prescribe medications right now, viez epic and one for my blood pressure because it's it's a little too high and so and that's it. So the others are just vitamins and you know, natural things. But I'm not one too. Just oh, let's just pop a pill and then I'll be fine. Well, the proliferation of GLP ones in in western medicine is crazy now because you can get them anywhere. When they first kind of you couldn't get them. But now there's a company called Hymns that will deliver them to you literally just and you don't have to have and they'll find a way for it to be paid for. But anyway, we're going Yeah, no, nos. I two more Nepaul questions. Did you have anyone in the group from Nepal that was a naysayer or was hesitant or didn't want to participate?

42:17 Yeah, you mean the Nepali people. Yes, yes, A couple of them got angry and left the room. I didn't know why the left room. I tried not to take that personally. I just carried on. But later I heard that people were saying, we just want on medicine. Why are we having to sit through these, you know, And so they kind of used us as like, cause there's a lot of people there and they were waiting in line for their medicine or to see the doctor and all that, and so they had us as kind of buffer like places for them to go and do things while, you know, while they're waiting. But they resented it some of them. Some of them were just oh my god.

43:00 Some of them had these incredible they were yeah about our age, some of them a little bit older, and then their children and grandchildren. You know, they brought the kids too. But some of them just received what I gave them and they walked out and they just said, oh, that was so amazing, and they hugged me and thanked me, and then they went out and told people that more people wanted to come in, and it was like yeah, but it was like a whole different thing at the other camp, Like every camp was a different kind of energy about it. But the other thing about New Paul, their government, you know, I mean, we don't use the term third world anymore. They're trying to find a term that says what it is that developing country, I guess is kind of where they landed. And so their healthcare system is they have a Western medicine arm and they have an irevitic which is pretty traditional. It's plant based and it's based in you know, like the yoga traditions, right, So it's it's older and they also have the Western medicine.

44:18 It's not really the herbal like go make a tincture out of mugwart that grows in your backyard, you know, it's not quite like that. But that's what they're teaching them in the villages. But the medicines they brought were irevitic. In fact, I got sick while I was there, and one of the doctors saw me. He said, no more sound work for you. So I had a stop because I had a sore throat and congestion. I had a fever, and they didn't you know, they don't want me around the sick people. So but he gave me an antibiotic that was herbal based, and he gave me, uh, cough medicine like a liquid you know, coughs are up type of thing. And something else must have been of like for fever to bring the peeper. They say peeper. They get them in their language, spoke English, sort of like you have a paper. I'm like, what.

45:27 I thought we all had a paper. People used to call me Donny Pever too, so it's I get it. But okay. So so there were some resistance but you you dealt with that and you kind of let that flow through. The Other question I had about this was what did you take away? What was in it for you to do this, and what did you walk away with? For me, it was it was a transformation. I mean, I thought through a lot of transformations in the work that I do. I didn't know it was going to be that deep of a transformation, like getting sick after two of the five camps that that day that I was getting sick, I was like, I don't feel well.

46:16 I don't know that I can go tomorrow. And I was told that we're we're not essential by the person who runs the thing that the trip that I was on. Now, she's a lovely person, she's wonderful, and she understood what she said and how it might be taken. She was like, I don't mean that they're not important or that you don't matter, but in the scheme of these camps, we have to make the volunteers be non essential so that we can do the camp with or without them, Right.

46:59 So I had to work through that I don't matter, I'm not important, you know that kind of thing. And I'm sick. I beaver and I was on the road. Now I can't do this sound work. I came here to do right, and I felt like I was a failure, you know, like I came all this way, it was twenty four hours to travel there, you know, and all the preparation to get there, all the things we did before we went to the camps, all of that, and I just felt like I was letting them down. And I didn't get to meet all the people I wanted to meet and do all the sound healing. And I had to humble myself and just accept that that's just the way it is. And every day at the end of the camps, when the crew got back to our resort, where we were saying, I mean, we stayed in a beautiful resort. I mean, I'm like, this isn't so bad to have to stay. But we had these young college age there were women, and they were our translators. I spoke very good English, I spoke five languages, and they took very good care of us. And every day after the camps, they'd come to my door and they'd give me gifts that they bought, because the camps give out, you know, marrables, and it's like a leaf called a mala and they would give me all these things we missed you other, all these hugs, and you know, I

48:32 was so heartwarming, you know that I and they just made me feel like it's okay, you know, and it just was what it was. And then I, you know, I didn't sleep very well. The food wasn't digesting very well for me, and so I was there for like fourteen days or so, So two weeks in a foreign country where the food isn't digesting and I'm not sleeping, and then I get sick. So the camps are over. I'm pretty much through the worst of whatever it was. And then they dragged me out to celebrate. We go on a boat and you know, I do these fun things and then we go see some more things after we get back to Catman do. But it took me weeks to recover from that. And I was like, I was planning to share all the photos and do some sound healing for people who because people donated for me to go, and you know, I couldn't fulfill on that the way I wanted to. I did do a talk at my church about it, but it's yeah, I was in the midst of big transformation and there was a transformation even while I was there, Like it's culture shock.

49:54 You're there. There's like little tiny roads. There's cars too, two lanes worth of cars going in these little alleys and motorcycles and people walking and there's no sidewalks, and there's shops and it's you know, it's just crazy. And I didn't know where to look or what. I just follow the first in front of me, and you know, and she's taking us to shops and showing us things and getting It was a lot to take in. And we went to a lot of temples. I couldn't really receive any of the history or the spiritual significance or any of it. I was just looking around. I don't look at the monkeys. And there's monkeys here, actual monkeys, and you know, and just walking. Oh, we just went up a whole bunch of stairs. She just following along, you know. We hiked up to the beautiful monastery. You could kind of see the mountains through the clouds. Didn't really get a good view of the Himalayas other than that, but one of the people flew one of the people flew up in a helicopter up to Mount Everest and got pictures up there. Yes, I would definitely do it again.

51:12 I thought I'd go again this year, and when it came around, I was like, I'm not ready to do it again, you know. I mean even the twenty four hour travel. The people on the plane were incredible. It was in the middle of a big festival, so people were going to India. The whole plane was full of people going home to see their family in India, you know, and just met people on the plane, just enjoyed the Doha Airport in Qatar, there's a swimming pool I went.

51:53 I't swimming last. It's incredible, incredible, it really is. There's a whole spa there, and yeah, it's a lot to see and a whole like rainforests. You go in and there's like misters and some countries have too much money. I didn't get to go outside, but I saw videos where you can take a little like three hour tour of US tour and they have air conditioning vents outside. Of course they do because it's too hot to be out there. And the time to go is it at night because all the buildings are lit up and all night. Yeah. Yeah, I didn't get to see much. I thought I would do that on the way back, but instead I went to a quiet room and tried to sleep some more. Yeah, but I would totally do it again, and I recommend it to anybody to go with something like this that where like you get to do some sight being, you get to see real people, but then you're also doing something of value, something as important.

53:04 Stay tuned for part two of Ain't Nobody Got Time for That with our special guest Bibi Fabio on our next episode,