March 9, 2025

S2E3-'CANCEL CULTURE CLUB' (You Come And Go)

S2E3-'CANCEL CULTURE CLUB' (You Come And Go)
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Season 2
The boyz are here to unpack 'Cancel Culture' Why do people take the time to comment on EVERYTHING? Do they just need to be seen? Do they need 'LIKES" on their comments? Maybe they need a hobby. Go take a walk, read a book, smell a flower people! Check out our podcast on Apple, Spotify or wherever you pod. Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast... Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/7oawJ1N... And we’re on YouTube! / @pafifer-pod Want to join us on a future episode? Have a question or comment for us? Email: DonandGaryDoin60@gmail.com Please like, comment, and subscribe Contact us at Donandgarydoin60@gmail.com ALL THE SOCIALS and PODCASTS BELOW https://linktr.ee/PafiferPodcastProductions
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I get you be that funny all the time.

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Oh, Hi, Hi, Harry.

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At all the things we talk about when people don't

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know what the record buttons on?

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When did they get here?

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Who invited these people?

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All these thousands of people like.

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Good nights, hundreds of thousands at least. Oh?

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Sorry, Yes, how are you? I'm good?

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Good? What are we talking about this week?

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Gary? So we're not taking a deep dive. It's more

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like a.

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We're gonna toe in the water.

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Yeah, toe in the water. We're gonna go in the

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kiddy cool shallow shallow end because we're so good at it.

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Talking about cancel culture. It's been around for a while,

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and I'll tell you why. I what prompted me to

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want to talk about that. Okay, so when we come back,

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we'll do that, and then you know, obviously catch up

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on what's going on. I got a couple updates.

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You know, do so many things. Okay, we'll be right

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back because otherwise this intro will go turn into an

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outro and who knows what we're gonna do. Troe Right,

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We'll be right back. Hi, welcome back. Welcome to don

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and Gary doing sixty. I'm Ivanna Donut and you are Okay.

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You're gonna love this one. I came, I came across

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a whole list of them. I'm Dixie enormous. Oh my goodness,

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the depth to what we will.

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Go holiday season. So welcome to Don and Gary doing sixty.

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We're here to unwrap and unpack navigating the world at

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us on YouTube at Donn and Gary Doing sixty. So, Gary,

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what's going on? I feel like I haven't talked to

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you for a long time. I guess we haven't.

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Well, I mean we've spoke.

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It's been busy. It's been busy.

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So three days ago, yes, marked six months that I

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started on a epich.

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Wow, that's time's going by very first.

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Yeah, it's got my real fast. I started June one,

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and then in fact today I went to my Endverknology

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just office. Easy for me to say, I had it,

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you know, and she said, I'm their star patient.

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Oh don't you want that being the star pupil all

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the time, because I remember you've always a student, always

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have showing up, getting stars and everything like that.

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So why I just wondering as I walked out of

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the office, did they say that to all their patients?

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So why were you the star pupil?

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Well, because my numbers are good. I mean to date,

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i've lost you know, give her take thirty five pounds.

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Wow, that's so cool, that's that's amazing. How are you

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if you feel good?

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I'm sure you yeah, yeah, no, I feel good. I

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just told her, and I feeling a patient. I go,

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that's it in six months. She's like there, No, the

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low and slow method is much easier because you're more

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likely to keep the weight off. Yes, as opposed to

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someone who has like, oh, I lost twenty five pounds

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in two weeks, and it's like that's not good for

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your system and that's not going to last.

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And actually you're doing it, and we as we said before,

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you're doing it the smart, educated way and that might

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not be everything you want right away, but as you said,

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you're building new habits and all kinds of new kinds

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of routines for your life, right, So yeah, that doesn't

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just change over night. But I'm sorry, go ahead, yes.

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No, So everything's good, and that I don't have to

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see them again for another five months, so I'll just

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keep on keeping on and i'll see them in May.

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So quick question, do you have a goal in mind

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weight wise? Or is this you're going to see how this?

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No, because it's hard to depend on what I want

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to weigh X number pounds. It's hard to say, right,

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I could get to this weight, like, you know what,

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I feel good right here as opposed to that weight, right,

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So I told her, In fact, I asked her, so,

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I don't know what that number is. But when I

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get to a certain point, what happens Because I'm on

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the maximum dosage right now two point zero milligrams once

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a week, what happens when I get to my goal weight?

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Does the dosage drop? And then it's just for maintenance

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And it will vary from person to person, right, So

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you know, some people may stay at the same dosage

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and some may lower. So in five months we'll see

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where I'm at and then kind of you really have

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to cater to each person and they're just absolutely absolutely Yeah.

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So I meet again with the nutritionists in like March,

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I think, so, you know, just keep up with what

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I'm doing. And then she did take me off one

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of the prescribe medications that I was on good, which

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she said actually that one if by not taking that,

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I might be easier to lose a little bit more

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weight because it's called glipizide and one of the side

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effects is that it may cause you to prevent you

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from dropping weight.

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Huh okay, So anyway, so yeah, so LP one is

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it that's not one of the products that are part

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of ozembic.

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Right, No, No, it's it's it's it's one that makes

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the pancreas create something, you know.

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You know, I'm not a juices Yes.

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Great juices, and maybe I don't need that many juices

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and everything real, So so that's all going well. And

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then the other thing that was kind of fun that

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happened in the last couple of weeks was that one

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of my nephews and his wife had their first baby.

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So now my mom has her second great grandchild.

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Wow unfoar shely.

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They live in southern California, so I don't know how

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soon we'll be able to see them in person. But yeah,

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so the Pagari's name will live on the head of boy,

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so one more generation at least with our name.

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That's great, that's excellent. Then you know, this episode is

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probably not going to drop until we've got so many

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in the can if you're ready to go, oh yeah,

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let's let's jump. I got into because once you, once

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you came up with this idea for the segment, I

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was like, wow, there's a lot of people I forgot

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about this. I'm sorry.

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Well, there's a couple of reasons why I thought of

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cancel culture and coming out of this part of it

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is Hollywood, obviously, that's where a lot of it comes from.

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But there's also this need to as soon as someone

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says or does something, they get written off. And a

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lot of it is because it's everything is on social

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media or in the news and everybody has to comment

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on it. But coming out of the election, had it

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gone the other way and Kama had won, they'd asked

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her would you include a Republican in your cabinet? And

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she said yes, So I thought maybe Liz Chaney whatever.

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But it made me think of the old days when

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we were young, when there's always been Republican Democrat, but

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they actually would cross the aisle and try and resolve

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something to make it a win win. You know, you

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vote this way, I vote that way. But there's just

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something we can do to come to a understanding where

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we can pass this new law or whatever that it's done.

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Everybody right, I guess it'thing's done, and that hasn't happened

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a long time, and the fault of both sides right,

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So obviously that didn't happen. So then when Trump won,

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Now I don't watch this show Morning Joe on MSNBC

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with Joe Scarborough and meetup Prazinski, so I don't know

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what they're I don't watch the show. I don't know

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any about the politics. But when he won, apparently they

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went to mar A Lago and interviewed him. And again

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I didn't do a deep dive on this, so you know,

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maybe I'm just speaking naively, but everyone and their mother

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had something negative to say about them for going to

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talk to him. Every talk show, all these pundits, their

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viewership dropped. All their viewers were like, how could you?

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And I think you wait a minute. So if he

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won he's the president, you know, Okay, maybe you don't

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agree with his policies or whatever, but why not cross

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the aisle and have a conversation. I didn't see the interview.

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I don't know how it went. And again maybe I'm

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just speaking, you know, incoherently, but did you hear anything

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about that or what's no?

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But it's on the same topic. I was just thinking,

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because this is a question that I started asking, So

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is cancel culture based on actions or just popular opinion?

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Because it could be the headline from Morning Joe that

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just people just decided, as you said, without breaking, without

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crossing the aisle, without anything. So I'm wondering, like, have

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we taken a new turn where it's just easier to

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say no and shut the door and not even consider

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anything on both sides, on any side?

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Right, all right?

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Right?

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So, I mean I did do a little checking on

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cancel culture. So it says the cultural phenomenon in which

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an individual thought to have acted or spoken in an

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unacceptable manner is ostracized, boycotted, shunned, fired, or assaulted, often

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aided by social media. So this started popping up, bubbling

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up around twenty seventeen and since then of course, social

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media's blown up and everyone's got their phone, so everything

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gets recorded, and you know, the whole Karen and whatever,

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the male version of Karen had come up where people

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behaving badly, someone films them, it goes on social media,

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they get identified, they get fired by their company yep,

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or ostracized by their friends, and it's just this immediate like, yes,

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they were acting badly. Now do they always act like that?

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Do they always say things like that? Or is this

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just they had a bad day?

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Right? You know.

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So that's one part of it. And then there's the

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on the Hollywood side, there's people who have been accused

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of sexual misconduct, a lot of that, right, and it's

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the Space's and the Matt Lowers, Charlie Rose. There's a

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whole list of people who were in the news or

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in Hollywood who got accused. Chris Notath. There was all

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these allegations, but in most of those cases, no one

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ever got charged with anything. Yes, I know that, like

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Kevin's Spacey there were some court dates, but he never

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got accused of anything.

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And that's interesting because also just the fact that that's

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hanging as a cloud over their heads, people make a

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decision to your point, and they cancel, but they also damaged.

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There's a lot of toxicity in this whole canceling because

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it's based on something they've heard. As you said, as

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I looked into it toose, Kevin Spacey had not been

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convicted of anything. He had court dates to show and appear,

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but he was never truly convicted. And he also has

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made some public apologies about his behavior being unacceptable. He

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wouldn't do it again. He was probably on the influence

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of alcohol, whatever it might have been. So he has made,

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you know, some kind of acknowledgment of this issue. But

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the challenge is now his career. He can't get a movie.

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No one's going to hire him just because of something

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that has happened in the past. And you know, with

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this social media now, it lasts forever. So it'll be

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interesting to see if people can come out of these

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these situations.

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There are a few that they were blacklisted or you know,

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boycotted for a short amount of time and then they

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came back. One of them I got to follow him

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on his podcast.

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But Joe Rogan, yep, oh god, she's bad.

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During the pandemic, he was, I guess saying a lot

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of things against the injection that the vaccination and so on,

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and so because of he's on Spotify, I guess whatever

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platform his podcast is on. A musical artists said if

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you're going to keep him on that, you need to

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take music off, right, And then so it was just

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because they didn't believe in his politics. So they blamed

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the platform, said you need to do something about this.

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But he was one of their biggest money makers. And

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well he's come out.

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Of that, one of the biggest podcast there is and

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one of the biggest moneymakers there is. So he also

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think about the demographic there, mostly white males, and I've

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looked into that because he is the like the light

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leading I think, one of the leading podcasters out there

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in the country right now. Yeah, he has a lot

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of influence. And yeah, he did come out of it.

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And I think I was thinking about something too. Remember

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the Dixie.

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Chicks, Oh yeah, chicks.

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Well, they had a bad run for a long time

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because of their mention the disparaging comments about President Bush

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at the time, right right, and they went crashing down,

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but they did. Yes, it was toxic, as we said before,

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but they've come back as the Chicks and they're still

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doing quite well. I've always loved their music, yeah, yeah,

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and it never changed my opinion. You know, I had

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an opinion of President Bush at the time too, and

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I didn't go on stage and talk about it, but

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you know, there is something to be said for how

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it has put the brakes on a lot of people's

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comments too. And when I think about that, I'm thinking

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about stand up comedians Kathy Griffin.

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Yes, Kathy, when she did the thing with the I

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mean that that was not good.

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She's been known for being quite you know, intense, you

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know with her comments, and she did that and I

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think she's paying the price for that too.

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She's always been the type that would, you know, try

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and suck up to someone and then in her routine

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she would not backsat them, but she'd criticize them right

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and make fun of them, because that's that's her thing.

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That thing with the whole Trump head or whatever, that

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was obviously way over the top, and that's what, you know,

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kind of ended it for a while and she's had

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to scratch her way.

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Back and she's still scratching. I think she's still you know,

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she's been on I actually listened to her on a

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couple of podcasts, one of them with I forget their name,

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but she was talking about how difficult the climb back

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has been and also has affected her health. She's been

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through a lot of things health wise, and.

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top of all that, and who knows how which was related.

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I'm thinking of black Roseanne bar totally had been super

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popular on TV and it's a stand up and then

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she made that one comment about Valor Jarrett immediately got

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canceled and then they killed her off on her reboot

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of roseannem.

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Well, okay, what about JK. Rowlings who is baking disparaging

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comments about transgender communities. But here's the thing. She still

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is a billionaire. She still has her money. I think

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that she's also still pontificating whatever she's talking about with

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her opinion. So she'll have detractors, but she'll also have supporters,

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and I think that's going to be interesting to see.

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So I actually thought of something while we're talking about

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Kathy Griffin. If Joan Rivers was still alive right now,

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where do you think would she fall in the middle too?

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Because she also said a lot of saucy stuff, and

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I know Kathy Griffin was emulating a lot of Joan

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Rivers' bodiness and outspoken candor about certain Yeah.

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I mean, but did she she got very close to

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crossing the line.

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I mean she would make the same jokes a lot

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of people were thinking or saying on the you know,

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off stage. But I don't know. I mean, there's a

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different time exactly how many years ago, right, So maybe

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it was kind of she missed the whole cancel. I

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think she passed away before the cancel culture agreed.

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And I just wonder if people are hiding behind canceling

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people like we started to talk about without giving any

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thought to this and actually having their own opinion. If

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you like the Ditsie Chicks and all of a sudden

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say something disparaging. That's again my discussion, like my question

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about separating the art from the artist. Yeah, so you're

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you're a musical artist and you make music, but you

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have this opinion. Does that mean that your music's no

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good anymore? And I hate it? No, it just means

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you said something I don't agree with. Yeah, Woody Allen,

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I used to love Woody Allen movies. He's made some,

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he's had some allegations now.

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A lot of allegations, but again never convicted.

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Of anything correct. And also, you know, he made some

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decisions where his uh with his stepdaughter and marrying that

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person and you know, sorry it's not as adopted daughter. Yeah,

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but you know, made some decisions. Obviously people have an

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opinion about I still love his movies.

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Yeah, it doesn't make them very often, if at all anymore.

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But yeah, it might be a net result from this

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cancelation that's taking place.

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And also plus he's older too, so maybe I mean

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it's more challenging. But no, yeah, I agree. I mean

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I liked I didn't see all of this movies, but

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I didn't were the ones that I saw. And yeah,

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not a big fan of him marrying his stepdaughter whatever.

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No, I think I guess adopted daughter. I don't think it's.

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Well Mia Farrow adopted her. Oh yeah, were never married

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technically get stepdaughter, but technically yeah.

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Do you remember the fallout from the Goya Foods Do

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you remember that I have that on my list's see,

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I bet we have a lot of the same things.

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Well, because it's where the politics of it comes into it,

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because the CEO of Goya Foods as well as the

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guy Mike from the My Pillow, Mike Lindell. I forgot

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about him both, would you know, During the first time

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that Trump ran, they would go and speak on his

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behalf and suddenly those two companies got written off and

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boycott it in.

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And they're I mean he had the Pillow guy had

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a major company like that, was a massive million, multimillion

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dollar company for a long time. Goya is a food,

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so they actually but I think the challenge was that

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the CEO for Goya was speaking in favor of Trump

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at the time, but also considering that most of the

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Goya products are beans, the different things that actually cater

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to the Mexican American population, They're wondering, like, how can

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you support a guy who wants to build a wall

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in Mexico exactly So, but I think, you know, honestly,

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Goya is still around. They're still pumping out the beans.

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And then you have certain celebrities, be it sports, acting, singing,

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who may not want to voice their political views because

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if they say I voted for Trump, suddenly they get

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you know, well, yeah, because that's so anti Hollywood.

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And that's why I'm talking about the stand up comedians

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because I know a lot of people have a comment

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who are saying, you know, who is the guy that

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got slapped by Will Smith?

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Chris Rock.

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Chris Rock is saying that it's basically put the harness

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over stand up comedians now, because and I've heard this

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a number of times too, because I listened to Matteo

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Lane and to a bunch of different other people who

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speak about how they say, you know, they can only

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say certain things, or they have they feel like they

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have braces on because they can't step across that line.

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But the context is you're in a comedy club. It

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should be fair rain to talk about whatever you want

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to because it's a joke.

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It's it's a comedy club. It's for adults. Don't bring

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your kids, and if you're easily offended, then don't go. Yeah,

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and you know, did you ever see Lisa Lampanelli.

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Oh? I remember her. God, she was like a I saw.

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Her once years ago. Probably, I don't know if it's

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before the I think it's probably. I'm sure before that.

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It's still around, right.

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She Well, she's not doing stand up anymore.

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Oh, okay, there.

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Was when I saw her. She's here in San Francisco

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and I didn't know her material at all, but she

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basically slayed every ethnic group left and right, who was horrifying.

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But it was so funny. I mean, you have to

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laugh at it, right, So yes, it was the funniest

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thing I've ever seen, and like, I can't believe I'm

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laughing at this, but she said it right, and because

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that's the arena.

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The text of that, and people know her for that, right,

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crowd work, right, Like Don Rickles, Yeah, same kind of thing.

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Maybe he insects, right.

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He did some ethnic but it was just more insults

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to other people. Joan Rivers would a lot of times

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insult herself. Yes, she would obviously criticize other celebrities, but

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you know, but but I don't think either one of

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them went political per se. It was more about jazz, right,

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but but what's your name? Lisa Lampanelli. More recently, she

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was I think she was about to retire, and she

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did some comedy, some stand up routine somewhere that was filmed,

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and I don't know if there are people heckling her.

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I don't know what happened. And she did not have

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a good day, and she in fact that she yelled

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back at the people, and then she got so pissed

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off she just left the stage. Oh and that was

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the last time you saw her as a stand up comedian.

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So it's not a good way to end her.

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Well, maybe she was fed up with the you know,

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I mean, obviously it was fed up with whatever they

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were heckling her about, right, right, right, But you know,

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maybe she'd also seen the fact that she couldn't do

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this a lot longer.

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Yeah, I think it got your point. Where Again, because

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of social media and everyone having a phone right there,

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everything is immediate, so if you say something that someone

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didn't agree with, it gets shared with everyone right away.

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Well, I mean, and sometimes I mean, I hate to

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say it's not I don't believe cancelation or canceling somebody

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is warranted. But some people do bad things. And what

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comes to mind is like Bill Cosby, Right, he did

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what he had allegations, and I don't actually he did

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serve some prison time, yeah he did, and then he

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came out, but you know, basically he'll he'll not work again,

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I don't believe. And he was trying to read and think,

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like do a little bit of research about where he

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is today. But he's recently come out of prison a

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few years ago, and he was even talking about possibly

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doing a circuit of a show, and I think, I

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don't know if that's going to fly.

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I'm sure people would still pay to go see him.

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M hmm.

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I think Harvey Win seeing the same thing. I mean, well,

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he I don't know how long he's in prison, I believe, yes, yes,

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I don't know how long he's awaiting trial or sentencing,

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I forget. But if he comes out of this, I mean, well,

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when he's older. But is he going to be making

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movies again? I don't think so.

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What about Jesse Smollett, remember him, right? Yes? So he'd

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been made some bad choices too, but also went very

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public about them and then was caught kind of red

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handed in a lie, as they said. And I don't

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know if they proved that or not.

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But what made it worse is that he stuck to

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his story, yeah, even though people are coming out saying, no,

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that didn't happen and I was there and I saw this,

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and you didn't do that and yeah.

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So so have you ever canceled anybody though, because I mean,

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have you thought like I mean, I don't think I've

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ever like literally, I said, Okay, I'm not gonna I'm

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not gonna watch them anymore. I'm not gonna listen to

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them anymore. I'm not gonna listen to that.

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Well. I mean, there's certain if you're trying to like celebrity,

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there's certain actors or singers. If I don't like them,

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I'm not gonna go see their movies.

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I'm not right.

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So I don't know if that's you know, canceling or boycotting.

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It was like, like, I don't find him very funny,

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I don't find her very you know whatever, So I

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just won't that's not my taste. But it's just not

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gonna go see.

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But I guess I'm asking because I'm thinking probably you

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and I both never gone out publicly made some statement

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on social media. I hate them. I'm never going to

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follow them again. They are wrong for the country, or

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whatever your opinion is. It seems like people take that

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extra step to make sure that everyone supposedly needs to

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be heard. It's like nobody needs to know whether you

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follow something or not. Who cares?

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Are your friend? To the celebrities that moved out of

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the country when Trump won, like Ellen Degenerous and others,

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threatened to do it. I haven't done it, and are

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they going to do it? I don't know.

474
00:25:17.119 --> 00:25:19.359
There's all kinds of go back to social media, but

475
00:25:19.400 --> 00:25:22.720
there's all the kind of implications about why they're actually

476
00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:26.720
moving P Diddy. It all comes to p Diddy DooDah again.

477
00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:31.079
Well he's got ties to everyone, so he can bring

478
00:25:31.119 --> 00:25:32.279
the whole house down.

479
00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:35.920
It'll be maybe who knows. But again it's like, you know,

480
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:39.359
like you're saying Ellen has decided, and you know she was.

481
00:25:39.519 --> 00:25:42.559
She went through her own mill of stuff with her,

482
00:25:42.920 --> 00:25:45.359
the implications or the allegations about her being the way

483
00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:49.799
she was allegedly on her show, and she was canceled,

484
00:25:49.799 --> 00:25:52.119
and she even made us special about it, coming back saying,

485
00:25:52.119 --> 00:25:54.640
you know she's been canceled from television two or three

486
00:25:54.640 --> 00:25:57.720
times now. Yeah, so maybe she's done. I don't know.

487
00:25:58.240 --> 00:26:01.000
Well, she the special that she made for Netflix that

488
00:26:01.039 --> 00:26:04.279
I think is still on now. She says, yeah, you'll

489
00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:07.519
you'll never see her do stand up, probably won't do movies.

490
00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:11.839
So they moved to England, I think, And I was like, okay.

491
00:26:11.880 --> 00:26:14.200
I've decided to purchase her home in Santa Barbara or

492
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:19.720
mend I think not Mendosino. Well, I'm going to buy it.

493
00:26:19.759 --> 00:26:22.559
So Montecito, Montecito, that's it.

494
00:26:22.599 --> 00:26:24.079
I knew. I knew that's what it was.

495
00:26:24.359 --> 00:26:25.960
Do her bathrooms have to be redone?

496
00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:26.920
Hopefully not.

497
00:26:30.960 --> 00:26:34.720
So we talked about cancel culture of individuals. Yes, but

498
00:26:34.759 --> 00:26:38.799
there's also companies, so there's a shortlist. So when bud

499
00:26:38.880 --> 00:26:47.880
Light did their deal with transgender influencer Dylan mulvaney, that

500
00:26:47.920 --> 00:26:51.880
did not go over well at all and that that

501
00:26:52.000 --> 00:26:54.640
was a black eye on them. Heineken beer.

502
00:26:55.720 --> 00:27:01.319
Do you think that they really lost people drinking their beer?

503
00:27:02.960 --> 00:27:06.519
I think there was a protest against it.

504
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:10.000
If it because prolonged, I don't know, Okay, I think

505
00:27:10.039 --> 00:27:14.200
it probably did for a short time. Yeah. The one

506
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:18.319
that was Dove Soap was like Dove Soap, who's gonna

507
00:27:18.319 --> 00:27:21.200
band that, Who's gonna boycot them? Apparently they did some

508
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:25.839
ads where there's people who were, you know, taking the

509
00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:28.839
shirt off to get to bathe and use dev soap,

510
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:34.880
and the way some were edited it started as an

511
00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:38.799
African American woman who was about to bathe, and then

512
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:41.119
at the end it was a white woman. So the

513
00:27:41.160 --> 00:27:44.759
insinuation was that she got, you know, she cleaned off

514
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:49.559
her blackness, I guess, and that I don't remember that,

515
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:55.160
but I'm reading up on this. And then when it

516
00:27:55.279 --> 00:27:59.000
was all the name products that had been around forever

517
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:03.440
and maima syrup, Oh yes, missus Butterworth of pancake wicks.

518
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:09.480
So aunt Jemima. It was a family owned company. I

519
00:28:09.519 --> 00:28:13.759
guess their relative was Jemima and she made so they

520
00:28:13.839 --> 00:28:16.400
named in honor of her. And then oh, well that's

521
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:18.960
just not appropriate, this is a racist name whatever. So

522
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:21.680
but the family is like, no, we want to keep it,

523
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:23.000
and they had to change it.

524
00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:27.440
Yeah, right, Uh.

525
00:28:27.319 --> 00:28:31.240
And then was it traded. Jos had certain products that

526
00:28:31.279 --> 00:28:33.319
they had to either take off the shelf or change

527
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:38.400
the names of certain things because the products the product

528
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:45.839
names were not appropriate because some group decided that, well,

529
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:47.079
that's that's shame on you.

530
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:49.720
The danger and the double edged sword that this this

531
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:53.359
cancelation or this cancel culture carries because the people can

532
00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:58.680
ruin people's lives right by making a decision that should

533
00:28:58.680 --> 00:29:01.039
be their own decision, not something that has to be

534
00:29:01.559 --> 00:29:03.960
pontificated about. I know we're using a lot of big words,

535
00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:05.799
but it's like, that's what I'm saying. Do you really

536
00:29:05.839 --> 00:29:09.559
need to tell me that you don't follow or you

537
00:29:09.559 --> 00:29:14.039
don't like the picture of Antemima on Syrup, even though

538
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:16.680
it's a family owned company and they supported it. I

539
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:18.440
kind of get it because that's a little bit about

540
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:23.000
appropriation and a little bit more about the stereotypical figure

541
00:29:23.160 --> 00:29:25.559
that she shows as a bottle and all those things.

542
00:29:25.680 --> 00:29:27.759
So I kind of get that SNX, But I don't

543
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:30.920
have to go on the Internet or onto the social

544
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:33.519
media and say I do this, And I just wonder,

545
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:36.799
is this ego driven? Is this our own egos driving this?

546
00:29:37.000 --> 00:29:41.279
I don't know it. Everyone just seems so overly sensitive. Yes,

547
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:45.319
I don't know if it's still going on at the

548
00:29:45.400 --> 00:29:48.440
same level because I don't, or maybe we're just gotten

549
00:29:48.519 --> 00:29:52.079
so used to it that it just becomes.

550
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:55.119
I think it's getting a little passe. I think that

551
00:29:55.319 --> 00:29:58.359
it's kind of run. I'm gonna the reason why I

552
00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:00.680
say that because I was doing some Google today and

553
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:04.440
looking at like cancel culture twenty twenty four, and the

554
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:07.960
articles were a little bit more on like what shows

555
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:11.359
were canceled for twenty twenty four, not so much the

556
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:16.160
cancelation because of people's popular opinions based on a headline, and.

557
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:18.400
Maybe there's no one else to cancel. Everyone's been canceled,

558
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:19.319
so there's no one left.

559
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:22.000
I haven't canceled you yet, and you haven't canceled me yet,

560
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:24.200
but you know, there's always time. Yeah, I'm just saying

561
00:30:24.319 --> 00:30:26.599
I think maybe hopefully it's run its course, because I

562
00:30:26.680 --> 00:30:32.680
think it's a very negative, toxic tool, you know. And

563
00:30:32.680 --> 00:30:35.000
it's like, okay, and I go back to people's egos

564
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:37.599
and like, Okay, I get it. You do you really

565
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:40.519
need to be heard that badly that you would go

566
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:43.400
to the point of making a statement that you might

567
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:46.559
change your mind about or forget about the public's fickle,

568
00:30:46.759 --> 00:30:47.839
they forget about stuff.

569
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:50.599
And I think, I like, maybe maybe I'm too naive

570
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:52.759
or my approach is not the right for me. It's

571
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:57.200
like if something or someone offends me, you know, from

572
00:30:57.240 --> 00:31:01.440
the ad they put in whatever, it's like I'm like, okay,

573
00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:04.759
we'll change a channel, or I I don't watch it.

574
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:07.000
I don't put effort into Well, I need to I

575
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:10.559
need to write the president of the company and voice

576
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:13.000
my opinion. Right, I need to record something on social

577
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:15.319
media and tell people why they shouldn't buy this product

578
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:16.559
or follow that singer.

579
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.799
You know, people just want to see that they've said

580
00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:25.000
something and how many likes they're getting for it. There's

581
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:27.799
that too. You know, people want to see that people

582
00:31:27.960 --> 00:31:31.079
like their opinion, so their thumbs up or thumbs down.

583
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:32.880
You know how that works On all the social media's

584
00:31:32.960 --> 00:31:36.039
people can like or not like your opinion. Yeah, but

585
00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:38.960
you also see people going down like rabbit holes and

586
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:43.200
spirals statements of something. I know it's maybe not cancel culture,

587
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:45.039
but if someone makes a statement about something all of

588
00:31:45.079 --> 00:31:47.640
a sudden turns political and then the rant turns completely

589
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:49.119
left turn or right turn.

590
00:31:49.240 --> 00:31:52.359
Yeah, it's like the article was about this, and yet

591
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:56.680
down here it's now it's personal insults to each other.

592
00:31:56.640 --> 00:31:59.599
And it can go on. It's like those car chases

593
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:02.279
in LA that they put on the helicopters. It's like

594
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:04.720
it goes on and on, and it's like, wait a minute,

595
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:07.279
we were talking about Britney shoes, shoes, Britney spears shoes

596
00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:10.119
a minute ago. Now we're talking about something completely different

597
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:12.000
because two people are going at it and then everyone

598
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:14.599
else has an opinion. I don't get it. I don't

599
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:16.920
know that. We don't get that anymore.

600
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:19.599
I don't they bring togs into it. Well, she must

601
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:21.640
have voted for him, Who's going she must have done this?

602
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.160
Who has not the time to go down every single

603
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:26.400
Instagram fad.

604
00:32:26.480 --> 00:32:29.160
Or talk about a rabbit hole? Yeah, oh my gosh.

605
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:32.079
Some people got to find a hobby. That ain't that

606
00:32:32.640 --> 00:32:33.279
I think.

607
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:38.519
I I don't engage with people online, but when I

608
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:43.640
was on Twitter years ago, someone who made a comment

609
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:48.000
here in San Francisco about, you know, the mayor or

610
00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:49.960
the supervisor, they need to do something because the streets are

611
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.359
too dirty blah blah blah my name with blah blah blah.

612
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:57.160
That's a common and and I made this suggestion unwisely,

613
00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:01.400
then maybe he should pick up a broom or something.

614
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:02.759
The howd that go over?

615
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:05.599
And he didn't like that, and you know, he told

616
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:07.480
me he set something back to me. I said, well, listen,

617
00:33:07.519 --> 00:33:09.920
I've I've been volunteering for the fire department for fifteen

618
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:12.839
years and the police department for you and my neighbored association,

619
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:15.039
you know, for all these years. So I don't really

620
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.200
have time to go clean your neighborhood. But you know what,

621
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:22.000
they would love someone with your enthusiasm and your energy too.

622
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:23.839
So I tried to turn into a positive and then

623
00:33:23.839 --> 00:33:25.960
I just left it I'm like, I'm not further engaging

624
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:26.799
in this, and you know what.

625
00:33:26.759 --> 00:33:28.240
I kind of I kind of I'm with you on

626
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:32.400
that because I don't comment almost at all about that.

627
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:34.279
I might say oh that, you know, I'll say something, oh,

628
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:37.079
that's a beautiful piece of art, or I love that

629
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:38.960
kind of stuff where you're saying, okay, but you're right.

630
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:42.359
If you have an opinion, you're opening yourself up to

631
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:46.519
a lot of retribution. It's like, wait a minute, people,

632
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:48.880
get off the freaking internet, Go take a walk, Go

633
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:51.720
look at a bird. It's like, get some air, get

634
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:55.720
some take a breath, mama, get out of get out

635
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:59.759
of the house, and get off your freaking phone.

636
00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:01.880
These steps have be done today.

637
00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:07.519
I don't mean steps against like you know, never mind. Sorry, yeah,

638
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:10.320
so yeah, I mean it is it's cultural right now,

639
00:34:10.360 --> 00:34:14.400
and I don't know. I don't know if there's an answer, hopefully.

640
00:34:14.400 --> 00:34:20.719
I don't know where it's going and how much people

641
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:22.960
pay attention to it. I've I've I think because it's

642
00:34:23.000 --> 00:34:25.119
been around so long, I just kind of tune it out,

643
00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:25.639
you know.

644
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:27.960
Okay, So here's I've got a couple more for you.

645
00:34:28.039 --> 00:34:30.920
Might they might be on your list. George Michael. Remember

646
00:34:30.920 --> 00:34:33.400
George Michael had a he went down, so I don't

647
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:35.800
know if he was ever canceled, but he was caught

648
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:39.039
with the lute lascivious behavior right right, right, and he

649
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:40.880
might have done it, but he came back and he

650
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:43.760
did his thing. Yeah, And also is thinking about Paul

651
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:47.400
Rubins or pee Wee Hermann, right, who you know had

652
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:49.880
some I don't he was. I'm sure he was canceled

653
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:52.440
in some places, but people loved the pee Wee Herman

654
00:34:52.559 --> 00:34:55.320
characters so much, right that they they I think they

655
00:34:55.360 --> 00:34:57.159
forgave him and he kep back and did quite a

656
00:34:57.159 --> 00:35:04.000
few movies after that before he passed away too. Lizzo, Yeah,

657
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:07.840
she's actually she's calmed down the two, but she had

658
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:11.239
She came out a lot talking about body positivity and

659
00:35:11.239 --> 00:35:12.960
all these other things, which he was a very strong.

660
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:14.360
But she's been very quiet.

661
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:18.639
She still she had allegations of sexual misconduct and being

662
00:35:18.719 --> 00:35:24.239
inappropriate to people and making kind of architary comments about them,

663
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:28.280
her dancers and things being right certain sizes like really girl, no?

664
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:33.079
Yeah, so right, yeah, I don't know. Yeah, I'm trying.

665
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:36.760
Who else is The interesting one is like I go

666
00:35:36.840 --> 00:35:40.480
back and I mentioned before Chris Note, who obviously known

667
00:35:40.920 --> 00:35:44.480
for Law and Order and then mister Big Sex and

668
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:46.760
the City. And then he was also at the same

669
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:51.280
time that he's doing the newest Sex and City show,

670
00:35:51.639 --> 00:35:56.360
he was on a show with Queen Latifa that's a

671
00:35:56.440 --> 00:36:01.840
remake of a previous cop show called The Equalizer. I think. Okay,

672
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:04.000
she was the lead and he was on the show.

673
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:05.719
I'd never watched it, but he was on it. But

674
00:36:08.079 --> 00:36:10.960
he got accused of, you know, sexual misconduct with a

675
00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:13.800
few women, and then suddenly he got dropped by his

676
00:36:13.880 --> 00:36:16.960
agent canceled off both shows. But it's interesting on the

677
00:36:17.119 --> 00:36:19.920
Sex and the City, he did the first two movies right,

678
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:22.599
and had they done the third movie, which is the

679
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:25.400
one they end up not doing, the storyline for him

680
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:28.239
was going to be exactly what happened on and just

681
00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:31.599
like that where he died of a heart attack. That

682
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:36.039
was that story idea was already there, interesting and so

683
00:36:36.119 --> 00:36:39.840
they'd already filmed that. The intent was to have him

684
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:42.800
come back for like flashbacks or dream sequence or whatever,

685
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:45.039
so he would still be in this just like that,

686
00:36:45.079 --> 00:36:48.920
at least the first season for Carrie through the rest

687
00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:51.400
of the season. But once he died and all these

688
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:53.840
allegations came out. Then they did not use if they

689
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:57.760
filmed anything else, they didn't use it. But people thought, oh,

690
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.159
he got killed off the show. It's like, well he

691
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:03.679
was already that was already in the works. But the

692
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:06.519
fact that the three ladies on the show, you know,

693
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.360
came out and said they support the victims. You know,

694
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:13.639
you want to be PC and so everyone basically turned

695
00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:16.880
their back on him. But again, one of the people

696
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:21.400
that never got convicted or never went to court. I

697
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:23.360
don't know if he did out of court settlements.

698
00:37:23.400 --> 00:37:26.400
I don't know the court of popular opinion unfortunately, right,

699
00:37:26.519 --> 00:37:28.960
And you know, there's still people that I think as

700
00:37:29.000 --> 00:37:31.239
many detractors as are, there are still those people that

701
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:34.199
support a lot of these people, right. You know, I

702
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:38.199
think Kevin Spacey's an incredible actor. He's done some incredible

703
00:37:38.239 --> 00:37:41.639
film and he's he did a couple of great series

704
00:37:41.840 --> 00:37:46.159
and he was excellent. He is an excellent actor. You know,

705
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:49.519
people have gone through worse and come back, so you

706
00:37:49.599 --> 00:37:52.199
never know, these people might, you know, circle back once

707
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:54.880
they've had other people that had time to throw the

708
00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:55.920
blame at somebody else.

709
00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:59.000
You know, one little tidbit I read about him, is

710
00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:02.599
that so I guess he's moved to Europe. Oh really,

711
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:04.800
and you know, trying to you know, get some work.

712
00:38:04.880 --> 00:38:09.400
And so at the same time, another person said was canceled.

713
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:12.280
I don't know if she's officially canceled, but has always

714
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:16.480
had a very bad reputation in Hollywood, has Fay done Away? Yeah,

715
00:38:16.519 --> 00:38:19.239
and so she apparently at the age of eighty one.

716
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:21.679
I don't know, she's in her eighties. But when she

717
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:26.199
was eighty one, she was about to start a stage

718
00:38:26.239 --> 00:38:30.840
production in Boston and something happened and she I think

719
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:35.760
she got she got fired, allegedly slapped someone on the crew.

720
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:38.000
I don't know what. So then she got kind of

721
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:41.639
like blacklisted. So then the two of them, Kevin Spacey

722
00:38:41.679 --> 00:38:46.480
and pay Dunaway, ended up making a movie together in Italy. Really,

723
00:38:47.559 --> 00:38:51.000
I guess, you know in the recently. But and the

724
00:38:51.119 --> 00:38:53.440
person who wrote the article says, well, interesting, both are

725
00:38:53.519 --> 00:38:58.159
Academy Award winning actors and you would think this would

726
00:38:58.199 --> 00:39:00.960
be great because Biddle problem never see the light of

727
00:39:01.039 --> 00:39:01.760
day in the US.

728
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:06.119
That is crazy. Now, I know she's had a reputation

729
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:10.039
for being difficult, and she actually did have an HBO

730
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:14.320
documentary I made recently for about her life, I believe.

731
00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:16.400
Well I didn't see it out of HBO, but I

732
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:18.599
did hear about it. Yes, yes, do you have HBO?

733
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:22.239
Not anymore? I okay, I have. I met her once

734
00:39:22.920 --> 00:39:25.039
when I used to work, Yes, when I worked on

735
00:39:25.159 --> 00:39:26.840
Rodeo Drive back in the day, and I was a

736
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:31.599
very important shop girl on Rodeo Drive at Tommy hillfigure

737
00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.199
at a Brands store. She actually came in and I

738
00:39:34.400 --> 00:39:36.960
you know, she's very recognizable. You know, if you know

739
00:39:37.039 --> 00:39:41.360
anything about actors in movies, you would recognize them. And

740
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:42.960
she came and said, how do you do. My name's

741
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:47.320
Faydnaway and blah blah blah. She actually had introduced herself. She's,

742
00:39:47.360 --> 00:39:49.960
you know, from the old school of Hollywood. So, I

743
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.000
mean it was it's interesting to meet her. She was

744
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:54.440
very nice. She was very pleasant, and I mean I

745
00:39:54.519 --> 00:39:57.280
helped her find something for her niece or nephew or something.

746
00:39:57.280 --> 00:40:01.360
But very nice, very nice woman. Of course, you know,

747
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:03.000
she's not gonna slap me if I didn't have the

748
00:40:03.079 --> 00:40:04.920
right pair of jeans for something.

749
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:05.960
Well, you never know.

750
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:08.920
Well, but again, you know, I think who knows, who

751
00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:11.320
knows where all this stuff comes from. I just think

752
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:14.639
it's it can be very damaging, and I hope that

753
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.880
as a as a society we might let go of it.

754
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:21.960
I don't know that people ever let go of anything.

755
00:40:22.400 --> 00:40:23.840
They keep it in their back pocket.

756
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:29.199
It just seems like, I know, well, you do a

757
00:40:29.199 --> 00:40:30.719
lot of things, and you don't make me tell that

758
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:32.719
story again.

759
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:38.280
Yeah, so there's you know, throwing that out named Sharon

760
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:39.679
Osborne was on.

761
00:40:39.639 --> 00:40:42.679
The Talk Gosh, yeah.

762
00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:44.920
And something came up. I guess you're talking about Pierce Morgan.

763
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:47.719
Something he said or did that people most people, a

764
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:49.920
lot of people do not agree with. And she's friends

765
00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:53.400
with him and she was defending him, and that turned

766
00:40:53.440 --> 00:40:58.880
into some uncomfortable conversation where she ended up whether she

767
00:40:58.960 --> 00:41:01.960
was forced out or left on her own. She was

768
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:06.920
no longer on the Talk. Okay, this was several years ago,

769
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:10.920
but yeah, it's like it just happens, just like immediately.

770
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:14.840
What about James Cordon, who had he was He was

771
00:41:15.079 --> 00:41:18.320
canceled basically for playing a gay guy in one of

772
00:41:18.320 --> 00:41:21.079
those musicals that were done on HBO two. I forget

773
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:22.960
what it was. I think that was part of the reason.

774
00:41:22.960 --> 00:41:26.280
It's like, well, why is he playing supposedly, you know,

775
00:41:26.320 --> 00:41:30.239
heterosexual and he played this gay character, and he was

776
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:33.320
kind of canceled by the gay community because playing that.

777
00:41:33.400 --> 00:41:35.559
So yeah, I mean I saw his name, but I didn't,

778
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:37.119
you know, there was almost.

779
00:41:37.199 --> 00:41:40.119
Karaoke in the car with people, I believe. Yeah, yeah,

780
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:40.840
because he.

781
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:42.840
Had a late night talk show and I rarely saw

782
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:45.239
it because on late at night, but i'd see things

783
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:47.000
on YouTube clips of it, and yeah, that was one

784
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:50.960
of his things where he'd do the karaoke car and

785
00:41:51.079 --> 00:41:53.239
I thought he was very popular, very funny. But I

786
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:56.880
don't know the controversy, but he knew that part of

787
00:41:56.960 --> 00:41:58.920
him maybe as a result of the pandemic. He did

788
00:41:58.960 --> 00:42:02.519
say at one point that he missed his family. So

789
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:05.159
the plan was he was not going to renew his contract.

790
00:42:05.159 --> 00:42:07.679
He was going to move back to the UK, but

791
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:10.039
that was just for personal reasons. So how maybe this

792
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:11.559
all just came at the right time or at the

793
00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:19.159
same time. So anyway, Yeah, so I don't know where

794
00:42:19.159 --> 00:42:21.119
this ends, how far it'll go.

795
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:24.159
Hopefully it'll lose some steam.

796
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:24.719
I hope.

797
00:42:24.760 --> 00:42:27.920
So I think it has. Again, it's like again, separate

798
00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.360
the art or whatever it is that they create that

799
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:34.519
they do from the statement that they made. Everyone said

800
00:42:34.519 --> 00:42:38.880
something dumb that they regret I understand actions are different,

801
00:42:39.679 --> 00:42:41.400
so you can make a decision based on their action,

802
00:42:41.480 --> 00:42:44.280
but remember the body of what they did is probably

803
00:42:44.360 --> 00:42:46.760
something good that you liked at one time. Because they

804
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:48.960
said something. You say something all the time that I

805
00:42:49.000 --> 00:42:53.159
don't like. I haven't canceled you yet.

806
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:58.840
That I know of. And it's not always the words

807
00:42:58.880 --> 00:43:01.719
for actions of that. And what came to mind, you though,

808
00:43:01.719 --> 00:43:03.559
I didn't write it down on this, but I thought

809
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:08.199
of when Trump was president, the first time members of

810
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:14.159
his cabinet and staff would be ostracized, criticized, whatever. So

811
00:43:14.239 --> 00:43:17.920
the incident I recall hearing about was Sarah Huckabee, who

812
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:21.480
was this press secretary, so you know, the face of

813
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:24.119
the president in front of the press, right, she would

814
00:43:24.320 --> 00:43:26.920
be at the podium. She was out with her family

815
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:30.679
at a restaurant, and some people that didn't agree with

816
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:34.480
his politics, you know, made it uncomfortable for her, like

817
00:43:34.519 --> 00:43:37.440
she's just having dinner with her family, right, And she

818
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:42.599
didn't say it, but she gets the brunt of it, right.

819
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:45.360
And there's other instances, right and and but that's when

820
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:49.000
that came to mind. And you know, it's just by

821
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:52.760
guilt by association or cancelation by association.

822
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:55.199
Uhha, that's is that the title of the episode?

823
00:43:55.199 --> 00:43:59.239
Now, yeah, by association, you're canceled.

824
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:01.960
That's right. So I think, you know, honestly, I think

825
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:04.719
we we've circled around a bit. I mean we we

826
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.320
did note a lot of people that were in the

827
00:44:08.480 --> 00:44:10.639
big popular side of the world, but who knows how

828
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:13.559
many other people just you know, on a different level.

829
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:15.800
It has an Instagram page and they say they like,

830
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:19.000
you know, the Mona Lisa. Well, I hate the Mona Lisa,

831
00:44:19.079 --> 00:44:20.920
So I'm gonna I'm gonna cancel you and we're not

832
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:22.719
gonna follow you. And then they start, you know, I mean,

833
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:24.079
who knows where this is going?

834
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:27.480
Right? So yeah, I don't know where it's going. I

835
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:29.519
hope it just goes away at some point. It never

836
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:30.039
will though.

837
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:31.559
Let's cancel cancelations.

838
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:34.719
I'm canceling. Cancel culture.

839
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:37.559
I've got it. That's okay, that's a good one. I

840
00:44:37.679 --> 00:44:37.960
like that.

841
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:38.719
What's that?

842
00:44:39.239 --> 00:44:45.000
Cancel Cancel culture? Yes, cancel cancel Culture, Cancel, cancel, cancel Culture.

843
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:51.760
Don't cancel culture. Club, Comma Kama comic, kind of coma Chamelion.

844
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:56.360
Okay, I think that's we did it. Okay, let's let's

845
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:57.360
let's close this down.

846
00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:59.199
Get because you know, Don, I'll tewn before you.

847
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:07.800
I'm trying to think now karma, karma, chameleon, I'll tumble

848
00:45:07.880 --> 00:45:11.159
for you. Do you really want to hurt me?

849
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:15.719
Right? Cancel Culture Club? Do you really want to hurt me?

850
00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:19.880
Okay, I think we've done it. You've got to close

851
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:22.800
us out. Now take us out, take us out.

852
00:45:23.679 --> 00:45:28.199
So on that note, before you cancel us, we're going

853
00:45:28.239 --> 00:45:31.400
to say goodbye, thank you for joining us. We probably

854
00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:35.599
won't see you again until after the New year because

855
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:37.840
we have how many episodes are in the hopper in

856
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:38.239
the county.

857
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:39.920
I'm so excited though, because, like I said, by the

858
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:41.760
time this comes out, you will already have seen and

859
00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:43.719
heard all of these because we have four in the

860
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:46.360
hopper in the can ready to go and explode onto

861
00:45:46.400 --> 00:45:47.000
the internet.

862
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:54.840
So an other words, happy New Year everyone. So, as

863
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:56.599
Don said in the beginning, you know where to find

864
00:45:56.679 --> 00:46:01.000
us where your favorite podcasts are. Also on YouTube so

865
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:05.719
you can actually see us see these puns. You can live,

866
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:09.800
you can subscribe, you can comments, you can email us

867
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:13.760
Don and Gary doing sixty at gmail dot com. You

868
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:18.000
can find us on Instagram and Facebook and where else can.

869
00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:21.599
They find us? That's it, there was.

870
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:23.119
Yeah, you don't need to know where we live.

871
00:46:24.119 --> 00:46:27.800
No, because we'll have to cancel it, right No, okay,

872
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:30.840
So anyway, that was a good one, Gary, Thank you, Oh,

873
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:32.400
thank you, Pared, I must say.

874
00:46:32.719 --> 00:46:35.480
Well, it's good to do the homework. Oh did I

875
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:38.599
tell you? I'm going to see Share tonight? Not in

876
00:46:38.719 --> 00:46:42.239
concert though, really she is doing a Q and A

877
00:46:42.239 --> 00:46:48.239
at the Golden Gate Theater in three hours because she

878
00:46:48.320 --> 00:46:53.639
wrote part one of her autobiography. Oh and we each

879
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:54.280
get a book.

880
00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:56.400
No way, So.

881
00:46:58.599 --> 00:47:01.400
When you buy the tickele ticket includes the book.

882
00:47:01.719 --> 00:47:02.440
Is it sold out?

883
00:47:02.960 --> 00:47:03.480
I'm sure it is.

884
00:47:03.559 --> 00:47:05.559
It's got to be San Francisco. The Cays are going

885
00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:05.920
to come in.

886
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:09.679
Droves, right, Yeah. So I'm very excited. I'm going to

887
00:47:09.960 --> 00:47:13.239
meet a friend. We're going to have dinner at sal

888
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:16.599
New Hall. It's the food hall that is part of Akia.

889
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:19.679
Oh really is that the one next.

890
00:47:19.760 --> 00:47:23.360
Next to the Ikea store on Market in between fifth

891
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:25.960
and sixth They open a big Ikea there. It's the

892
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:28.400
city version. It's not the whole big warehouse, but it's

893
00:47:28.400 --> 00:47:31.079
still a lot. It's multiple floors and next to it

894
00:47:31.920 --> 00:47:37.440
the building is a two level food hall of different yeah,

895
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:41.039
different like ethnic foods, vegan vegetarians. So we're going to

896
00:47:41.119 --> 00:47:43.039
do that. Stop there for dinner and then walk down

897
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:45.360
those street to the theater and go see.

898
00:47:45.119 --> 00:47:47.159
Sure, look at you having a good time.

899
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:52.480
Whoa, whoa, Sorry, okay, now we got to go. Invitation.

900
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.679
Happy New Year, same to you, had a new year.

901
00:47:56.840 --> 00:47:58.719
Happy New Year to all of you, hundreds of thousands

902
00:47:58.760 --> 00:48:02.239
of ye like so many on YouTube. And don't forget,

903
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:04.880
we've got more Ankilby got time for that. Oh my gosh,

904
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:07.920
they're lining up and droves. You better make your reservation quick.

905
00:48:08.159 --> 00:48:09.440
We're going to run out of the New Year and

906
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:12.039
twenty six twenty five to get all the people in

907
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:12.760
that want to join it.

908
00:48:13.039 --> 00:48:15.519
See gosh, people are clamoring

909
00:48:15.599 --> 00:48:21.920
Clamoring to later Gary, until next time, Until next time,

910
00:48:22.199 --> 00:48:22.559
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