Nov. 16, 2025

S2E15 "Ain't Nobody Got Time For That"-Special Guest Phoebe Fazio PART 1

S2E15 "Ain't Nobody Got Time For That"-Special Guest Phoebe Fazio PART 1

🎙️ Don and Gary Doin' 60 — “Ain’t Nobody Got Time For That” (Part 1) with Special Guest: Phoebe Fazio In this episode of Don and Gary Doin’ 60, your favorite segment “Ain’t Nobody Got Time For That” is back — and this time, it’s Part 1 of an...

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Season 2
🎙️ Don and Gary Doin' 60 — “Ain’t Nobody Got Time For That” (Part 1)
with Special Guest: Phoebe Fazio
In this episode of Don and Gary Doin’ 60, your favorite segment “Ain’t Nobody Got Time For That” is back — and this time, it’s Part 1 of an unforgettable conversation with the extraordinary Phoebe Fazio.
Don and Gary kick things off by swapping stories from their latest adventure, including a long-overdue reunion with their high school crew. (Nope… we’re still not telling YOU how many years it’s been. Some things stay classified!)
Then, the spotlight turns to Phoebe, who takes us on a journey through the highs, lows, twists, and transformations of her remarkable life. From embracing spirituality to becoming a certified Reiki instructor… from battling cancer to learning how to heal herself and others… Phoebe has turned every challenge into a new chapter of purpose and power. And did we mention she’s traveled to Nepal to help those in need? Seriously — what hasn’t this woman done?
Phoebe is an absolute superstar, and her story is as inspiring as it is adventurous.
Join us for Part 1 as she opens up about her path, her passions, and the people she’s helped along the way.
✨ Stay tuned for Part 2 — the ride’s just getting started.

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Phoebe's here. Do you want me let her in? Well?

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Hello, guys like that, Hello, Hello, Hello, that's what you

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do to all your guests.

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Just you. Well, we're paying you a lot of money

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to do this, you know, so we can do whatever

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we want, right Basically, did you get the check checks

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in the mount Oh yeah no we we we wired

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that over to your your Swiss bank account. Yes, I

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didn't set there, the Bahamas account whichever. When you have

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the money that the laundry Caribbean?

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Yeah, so how are you? I'm good?

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Good to that. I kind of didn't, but what the hell?

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Well that's how we know you, Donnie, I need to

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go back to my youth.

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I definitely and nobody got okay, who I'll do the intro.

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Welcome to Dong Gary doing sixty. We're here to unwrap,

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unpack and navigate the world at this age. You can

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find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, iHeartRadio, and wherever amazing

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podcasts are found. We're on Instagram and faceback. We're not

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on faceback, we're on Facebook.

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Maybe we should be added to face back.

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And we're also on Blue Sky and of course you

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can watch us on our YouTube channel at five for

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pod Don and Gary doing sixty. Gary, how the heck

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are you?

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I'm doing good.

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As you mentioned earlier, it has been a busy week

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and it's.

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Only Wednesday, is it?

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Is it a hump day?

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It is a well, yes, it is a day, that's true.

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I forgot to open with that. But no, we had

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a fun weekend.

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We actually got to hang out.

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That was so much fun.

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Gary.

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Oh my gosh, you're good at this.

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Let me ask you. I think I know.

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But when do you think was the last time that

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you and I saw each other in person?

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Good question. I'm going to guess that it was either

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your sixtieth at your when you had it at the

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clubhouse I think, or at a clubhouse in the city. Yeah,

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I'm going to bet it was then.

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That's what I'm thinking.

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And wow, my birthday is in a few weeks, so

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that means that's coming up on three years ago. Was

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the last time we were in the same room?

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That's crazy?

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That is crazy.

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Well, you know, we should have taken more pictures because

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we're like Michael and Janet. No one believes we're not

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the same people.

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So which one are you? Are you Michael or you Janet?

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I want to be Janet.

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I think, okay, but you know, Michael's not with us anymore,

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so maybe we should both be Janet.

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Missus Jackson.

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If you're nasty, I know you are.

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But the reason for getting together this past weekend was

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that this year two of our friends from high school retired,

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one of whom was a guest on our three Piece

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podcast and at that point she was thinking, oh, what

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about a year or so I will be thinking about retiring.

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That's Amy focuson. And the other honoree at this event

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was Lisa Zadak. I've known Lisa since middle school and

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I've known Amy since elementary school.

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Wow, this has been a few years.

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But yeah, so earlier this year they're both, you know,

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just putting the word out they were retiring, and I thought,

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you know, we need to honor this in some way,

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We need to celebrate it in some way. So I

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approached both of them. I'm thinking about March, and I said, hey,

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would you be interested if we had a party in

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both of yours honor? And then we checked our calendar,

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will work, and we said, okay, let's pick a Saturday

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in auguste and I found a venue hundred Park for

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those of you for me with the Bay Area. It's

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in Woodside and the hills above Rived City, beautiful grounds

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and they've got a ton of picnic areas you can reserve,

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so I reserved one of those spots. We had thirty guests,

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some of whom including you think you came from out

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of the area. You came from southern California, another gentleman

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from southern California, one friend and her husband from Washington State,

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and everyone else was more or less Bay Area or

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within a few hours of driving. And it was a

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potluck picnic and it worked out really well, so and

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I didn't want it to be surprised. There's no way

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you could pull that off, so I had to have

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them in on it. So yeah, it was a really

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fun event. It was just a long day for me

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because I got there early, had set everything up, and

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then you and I got together for dinner that night,

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which is really nice.

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Well, I have to say here's if you think, I mean,

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congratulations you for corralling all those kittens, because that's not

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easy to do. And also congratulations on more than thirty

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pounds of food for thirty people because there was a

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lot of lumpia. Thank you Shirley Peretz. That was pretty amazing.

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She had about fourteen pounds of lumpia alone. There was

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so much food there. It was a lot crazy, Yes,

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and it was. It was so nice, scary. Everyone was

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so happy and friendly. And I think, you know, I

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think it's it's a kudos to you for pulling that

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all together. It's not easy to coordinate that many people.

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You put a good fishing net out there way ahead

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of time so people could actually commit to it and

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show up. And it was great to see Patty all

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the way from Vancouver, Washington, you said, right, yeah, And

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who was the other outlier besides myself, Frank McGuire Frank right, Hi,

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Frank McGuire.

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So yeah, So I was. I was fun to see everybody.

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Some some people hadn't seen others since high school.

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Which is crazy because I don't think I've seen Patty since.

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Yeah, I don't think I graduated.

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Back in twenty twelve, right, isn't that when we graduated

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high school?

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Well, I think your calendar needs to be.

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Updated also to you.

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Let's go with it.

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And then other than that, I didn't have any other news.

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The singer I'm obsessed with. Yes, she's British. She's twenty

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seven years old. She reminds me, and she just came

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across my Instagram feed just randomly and like, oh, I

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like that.

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I like that.

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And her look is very kind of from the fifties era,

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you know, she's got that like a little bit of

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bodacious body and she dresses beautifully. Okay, you were to

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compare to someone, I would say Amy Winehouse.

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Oh really okay?

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And her I think this is her stage ta I

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don't think that's a really bitter stage. Name is ray

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r Aye and she's a little jazzy, little bluesy little

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you know. She's got a great band behind her and

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she's touring a lot, but only in Europe.

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And I checked.

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I mean, I neither went to a website, like when

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are you going to be in the States, And the

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only opportunity was like a jazz festival like in Rhode

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Island that's coming up this fall. But like, if I

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know that, if she tours close by, I'm going to

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go see her.

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So check her.

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Out, ray are a ye.

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I just do a search on Instagram. She does.

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She posts a lot of segments of some of her

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performed live performances.

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She thinks she.

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Writes a lot of her songs. Some are really kind

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of personal and you know, heartfeld and others are kind

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of just you know, fun and playful and bluesy. And yeah,

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so I think she does mostly original.

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Maybe we'll talk to the editors and see if they

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can't put a little clip of ray into this podcast.

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So what I don't know that. I hear the editors

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very talented and very young and new of the business.

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So yeah, we'll see what we can do.

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We'll give him a call.

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Do that tip your tip your waiters and wait staff, please.

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So we do have a special guest joining us today, Yes,

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and not a surprise, but she's someone we know from

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high school. M you've not seen her in a while. Well,

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when she gets on, we'll figure out when the last

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time you do saw each other. It was at a

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holiday party several years ago I had a family home.

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Yes, I agree. And how many you're better at this

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than I am in with dates? How when was that?

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Do you remember?

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It may have been.

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Ten years ago? No, is that too much? Too many years?

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Maybe she'll remember, but that's that's on my list.

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Uh.

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And then I've got a so I have a small

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short intro for her because she's got lots of titles,

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lots of roles, but she is a member of the

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sixty group be joined by her in a few minutes.

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Well, I think we should just you know, feel some

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time before because until she knocks on the door, I'm

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not going to be able to let her in. So

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it's either a knock or a doorbell. I'm not sure

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which one it's going to be, so depends again on

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that editor and what they come up with. It could

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be pretty funny or it could be really just not

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that great at all. We got some new neighbors. We

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had a little yard party because the weather's still amazing here,

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which is okay real quick. When I was visiting San Francisco,

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I was so on the fence about whether I missed

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it horribly or didn't miss it, because when we got there,

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I mean, luckily that day in hundred Park, the weather

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was amazing. It was beautiful outside. It started out a

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little overcast, but then it got really actually quite warm

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and beautiful. And then the following morning, after dinner I

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had with you, that morning, I was leaving and it

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was completely socked in again. Yeah, so it was kind

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of nice to see. I went back to Westportal, my

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old hood, and hung out there and got some coffee

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and the dangers and everything was really quite nice. But wait, sorry,

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I think I hear a little knocking or something on

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the door.

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It's knocking at the door.

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Let's find out where they are. Who this possibly could be?

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Oh? Who oh? Who could it be?

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Who's that lady? Did you write her a check?

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Did you invite me? Am? I in the right place?

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You check, ma'am?

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Did we just I have not received a check?

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Okay, well then thanks for coming Gary, go ahead. What

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were you saying?

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Don't don't hold your breath.

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So for our listeners and those of you who watch

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on YouTube will see her. But our special guest is

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Phoebe Fozzio. It's someone that Don and I met. We

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all met our freshman year of high school. That's Ericon

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High School in Samuteo. I did the math. The year

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was nineteen seventy seven.

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Damn, I was Are.

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You ready done forty eight years ago?

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Excuse me while I pass out. That's not possible, is

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it really?

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Yeah?

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No, right, your math is wrong. I know you're very intelligent,

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but that's got to be wrong. There's like your advocates

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is wrong.

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So just a short intro before we get started. So

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after a high sculpture graduated, Phoebe and I both attended

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you see, Santa Barbara. I was only there for two years,

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but I did keep in touch with her, and I

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will come back to this. There's a story of a

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funny story I want to share. But after I left

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Santa Barbara, Phoebe was still there. She had moved off campus,

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lived in an apartment, and I went and visited her.

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So that's story number one.

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I'll come back to you.

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But we've kept in touch over the years pretty regularly.

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I mean I tended her wedding. I am honorary uncle

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who her two daughters. Let's see some of the titles

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would be a businesswoman, a published author, a teacher, a musician.

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Another musician that would be singer slash pianist. She's a mom,

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she's a wife. She's got more titles. That'll let her

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expand on that.

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And then in our little.

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Check in yesterday, she reminded, four years ago you got married,

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and I had the great honor being asked by Phoebe

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to be one of two people to walk her.

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Down the aisle.

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Oh, which was super touching and I was honored to

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do it. So story number two that I'll tell later

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has to do with that. So with that, I want

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to welcome our guest, Phoebe Fossio.

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Hey, everybody, so glad to be here with you guys.

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So phoebe real quick. We were just scared and I

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were talking to We had mentioned the last time, but

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the last time you and I had actually seen each

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other in the flesh was at I think your family home.

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It was a holiday part.

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And we were trying to figure out what year that was.

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Do you remember you're good with data.

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Probably twenty seventeen or twenty eighteen. Yeah, I must have

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been twenty seventeen. Yeah, mom passed away in March of

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the next year, and my mom was there, I think right.

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It was like a Fourth of July fourth.

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Joly, well, the one that Don atten was.

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I thought a holiday party, but you also did fourth

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because I've been to the family home several times.

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Who knows, you know. It was just constant parties at

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my house, you know.

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Amember seeing fireworks afterwards?

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Done?

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Well, No, I had some wine.

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You know, anywhere Don goes there are fireworks.

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Yeah, July December doesn't matter.

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Yeah, our house was across the street from a big

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fireworks display. You wouldn't have forgotten it.

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I recall the weather was good, so it probably was

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a summer thing or a spring thing. I forget, but yeah,

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but anyway, so it was. It's great to see you again.

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It's really great to be here going out with you

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guys forbid.

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Yeah, so I mentioned sometimes, So if we go back

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a little bit, so out of high school, you've always

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been a musician. So you got a degree in in

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what piano?

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Piano performance was my bachelor's degree.

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And I recall that you were a teacher in the

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San Jose area.

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I started teaching piano lessons as soon as I graduated,

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and then decided to go back to school to get

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a teaching credential. It was a little unclear on I

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just thought I was going to make me a better

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piano teacher. So I turned into a voice teacher in

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the schools, teaching kids how to sing and putting on

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performances and yeah, element and I so worked in San

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Jose for about four years and then due to layoffs,

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major layoffs.

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I couldn't remember why you left, but that way they.

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Cut laid off all the music teachers, and both my husband,

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my previous husband, and I were both in the same

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school district, and we were like looking at each other like, Okay,

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this isn't a good idea both income to income. Yeah, yea.

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And fortunately we knew he had a friend that had

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moved was living in the Reading Area, and so we

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had visited a few times, and we're like, let's go,

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let's go visit them, and let's go see if there's

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something up there for us. And as the Bay Area

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was slashing all the music programs up here, they were thriving.

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So we saw incredible music programs and we're like, okay,

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there's possibility up here. We moved up here without jobs.

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We sent resumes around but did not have jobs, and

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we moved up here.

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So what do you think that the music programs were

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happening or flourishing up where you moved to as opposed

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to the Bay Area. You understand city countries in school.

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Districts or I don't really understand it other than it's

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maybe a little behind the times, you know. But you know,

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because all of California, you know, with Prop thirteen, schools

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were slashing all kinds of things, we're losing fundings.

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When you were teaching and you moved up there, what

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grades were you teaching? Again? Like, how old were the kids?

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Middle school?

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Middle school? How old is that?

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I don't know, what is that? Eleven, twelve, thirteen, somewhere

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around there. Yeah, okay, yeah, that became my sweet spot. Okay,

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you know they're not jaded, kind of like the high schoolers,

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and they're I really like the elementary school kids too.

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That was my first love. But I did my student

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teaching in middle school, and I did a lot of

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my teaching in middle school, and I ended up in

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a KA school, so I got to do all of

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it my favorites.

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And I got to teach choir and band and reporters

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and playing little isle phones and dancing and seeing and

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putting on shows and so.

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A lot of musical background, a lot of creative influences.

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So are there any challenges you have now communicating with

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gen Z gen X millennials? Do you do you understand

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what they're saying?

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My kids? So I have two kids. They're twenty eight

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and thirty one, So they're millennials, okay, and I I

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relate really well to them. They're very good at explaining

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things to me. No Mom, no, mom, you're not saying

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that right, or that's not what that means, or you know,

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but they've educated me all along.

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So you never said physical or physicisle or and they said, like.

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Mom, no, come on, we grew they grew up in wedding,

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you know. But when when they got computers and gadgets

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and things, they're helping me, you know, like, how does

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this new fangled thing?

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That was my next question because I find that parents

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with children usually are getting an education from their kids

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about how to log on, log off, create a password,

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anything to do with technology now. And they're like, there's

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they're so knowledgeable about technology, you know, it just it

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comes so naturally. Do do they explain a lot of

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things to you?

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Yeah, they do, and they laugh at me. You know,

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I was divorced for like ten years, so you know,

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I'm like, okay, I get on the dating sites. They

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used to be websites, dating sites, they're like site.

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What I think the kids call them the apps?

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Now they're apps. They're dating apps. Yes, yes, yes, I

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met my current husband on a dating site. It was

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like a web you know, membership type of thing. But

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you know, it still wasn't an app to be honest

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with you.

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I think these days that's how people meet each other

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across the board.

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I have met so many people online connected on uh

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deep levels. I feel like we are best friends. We've

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never met in person. Really yeah, yeah, but I don't

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think I would have felt safe to do that if

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my kids weren't doing that too.

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You know.

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They're the ones that introduced me to YouTube and egged

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me on when I said I think I'm gonn make

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a video on YouTube, and you're like, yeah, yeah, do it,

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you can do it.

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Are we nervous when you started?

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Oh yeah, it's my first video is up there. Yeah,

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just for fun, it's and I still teach all that

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stuff that I put on that video. So it's pretty funny.

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Sophoebe.

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I mean, because I kept in touch with you so often,

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and I visited you several times. I've been writing recall

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that you were also doing private lessons at home, and

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then you got involved helping the church, either with the.

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Choir or you know, yeah, I was directing the choir.

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So were those in addition to the school teaching or

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doing or were you kind of transitioning because of changes

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in the school it.

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Is why I found the church and started going to

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the church. Something happened. And I've had some really gnarly

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things happened in my career that should have been an

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indicator maybe I should exit stage right, you know, but

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this one just knocked me, like to my knees. I

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didn't know what to do with it. And so, you know,

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people say, don't do anything rash, don't quit, you know,

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and I was ready to quit, you know. And I

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didn't quit. I stayed on for another year, but it

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just was clear that I'm I'm done with this. I'm

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not enjoying it anymore. I'm stressed. I don't know where

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the stress is coming from. I don't know why I

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can't let go of that incident, and like yeah, uh,

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and so I left. I left teaching, and I was

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just in my I think I was just turning forty

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and I was like done. My my husband at the

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time was also a music teacher. As I mentioned, you know,

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that was our life. It was like passion. It's what

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we did day and night. It was like constantly going

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in my head the music. I'm preparing that, how we're

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going to do this and set this up. All these

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logistics while raising our kids, and our kids were all

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in the music programs and piano lessons and you know,

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like it was everything. And then it was like, I'm

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just I just got to get out. So I still

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taught music, you know, privately, and I I started some

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groups outside and started working at the church. But then

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I had cancer and that kind of that was another thing,

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you know, and then shortly after treatment, then we got divorced,

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and you know, it was like I just can't kind

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of break here.

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Over how many years of span, what did all that happen?

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Within a few years.

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Or was it thirty years? Is how long I was teaching.

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And after I left the school, I was still teaching

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private lessons. The other stuff kind of fell apart because

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I was going through treatments and stuff and it just

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wasn't I didn't have the energy to really market and

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bring it all out, and so I pivoted.

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Something we talk about a lot Phoebe is with people

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and with ourselves, is you know, people, we've lived some life, right,

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life has happened to us. We're living our lives. But

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reinvention takes place in all of forms. It always happens,

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sometimes much to the betterment of yourself or than ourselves

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when it happens. So it sounds like whatever the powers

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that be that guided you away from thirty years of

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teaching music taught told you that it was a door

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that needs to close.

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And you had to find another door, right exactly. And so,

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you know, my life was not spiritual. I just have

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to say that because I stepped into this really spiritual

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thing and I just wasn't spiritual. I wasn't raised that way.

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Both my parents were raised in a religion, separate religions

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and decided that's not how they're going to raise their kids.

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So we didn't talk about God, we didn't talk about Jesus,

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we didn't talk about religion at all. So I had

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no spiritual grounding or understanding in anything. And this this

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thing that happened that kind of booted me out of

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teaching in the public schools. You know, I just couldn't

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I couldn't grapple with the emotions of it or whatever

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was happening. So I'm like, Okay, I think it's time

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to go back to therapy. So a friend recommended somebody,

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and I went to this person and she's she's a

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psychotherapist trained psychotherapist, and she said, I also do this

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other thing. I find it works faster than talk therapy.

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And I'm like, great. I don't know what she said

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it was. I didn't I'd never heard of it before.

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And so I went to sessions and she did things

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I just, you know, called it voodoo or something, you know,

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like focus focus. I don't know what she was doing,

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but I felt better every time I went right. So

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I'm like, there's something to this. And in the process

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of those sessions, so I learned that she's doing energy work.

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She's like everything's energy and we're just you know. She

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told me about the chakras. There's seven chakras. She told

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me that each one has like a sound. And one

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time I was laying on her table like a massage table,

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and she was doing her whatever stuff. My eyes are closed,

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I don't really know what's going on, and I heard

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some sound and I never heard these before. It turns

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out they were crystal bowls that she was playing, and

472
00:25:28.480 --> 00:25:31.519
all of a sudden, my own voice started to vibrate

473
00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:36.920
and I started making sound, and it was like this

474
00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:42.640
image of I was playing in the sound waves, like

475
00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:47.160
the way dolphins dive and spin and play in the ocean.

476
00:25:47.839 --> 00:25:52.279
It was like that swirling and spinning and leaping, and

477
00:25:52.480 --> 00:25:54.359
I don't know what my voice was doing. It was

478
00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:58.319
just making sounds and playing with those crystal ball sounds.

479
00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:02.319
She was doing this and then all of a sudden,

480
00:26:02.359 --> 00:26:06.000
you you were actually your voice actually came out yeah,

481
00:26:06.039 --> 00:26:07.839
and you were doing it wow, Okay.

482
00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:11.160
And then she encouraged and she encouraged me in sequent

483
00:26:11.599 --> 00:26:15.640
subsequent sessions. She's like encouraging me to make these sounds.

484
00:26:16.319 --> 00:26:19.759
And I was like, what are these sounds? And she said,

485
00:26:19.839 --> 00:26:24.680
that's called toning, okay. And you know, I mean we've

486
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:26.920
sung together. We were in choir together. I've done a

487
00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:30.279
lot of singing, but I was never like a soloist

488
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:32.680
or anything. And I was just singing along in the choir,

489
00:26:32.839 --> 00:26:38.839
you know, in my piano background and everything. But I

490
00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:44.599
had never experienced this before, and so it opened my voice.

491
00:26:44.920 --> 00:26:49.519
I ended up learning more about the chakras and the

492
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:53.559
tones of the chakras, and I decided that I needed

493
00:26:53.599 --> 00:26:56.960
to have a daily practice, you know, like those warm

494
00:26:57.039 --> 00:26:59.599
ups we used to do Inquire. It's that kind of thing,

495
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:03.200
you know, like just toning each chakra every day. And

496
00:27:03.240 --> 00:27:06.960
I'd heard or read a healer say that all healing

497
00:27:07.160 --> 00:27:12.279
begins with the alignment of the chakras. So the end

498
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:15.240
it's the you know, ligning the energy system. And so

499
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:17.599
I'm like, well, that's the best way, you know. Every day,

500
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:20.839
I'll just use my voice and I'll align my chakras.

501
00:27:20.880 --> 00:27:24.319
And I used it. So I started going to her

502
00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:28.920
before I was diagnosed with cancer, and so I used it.

503
00:27:29.480 --> 00:27:31.759
I made those sounds. I just called them weird sounds

504
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:34.400
what it were. And so I'd use it on my

505
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:37.880
own and it just it relaxed me. It felt good.

506
00:27:38.000 --> 00:27:40.759
I wasn't trying to heal myself. I wasn't. I still

507
00:27:40.839 --> 00:27:43.920
went to all the doctor's appointments, did all the treatments.

508
00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:49.440
They told it too and everything, but the voice just

509
00:27:49.720 --> 00:27:53.599
was it just did its thing. I didn't, you know,

510
00:27:54.240 --> 00:27:57.079
by open to it, and it came over ver intrigue.

511
00:27:56.759 --> 00:27:58.480
Because I have to say, I don't know if you

512
00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:01.079
know this, but do you remember Helen Natalie that we

513
00:28:01.119 --> 00:28:03.839
went to high school with Ellen lenses her name now

514
00:28:03.880 --> 00:28:08.279
and she actually does do She uses bowls I think

515
00:28:08.680 --> 00:28:11.680
to do some sound healing also. But Gary, have you

516
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:13.480
had any experience with this, because I have, and I

517
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:15.559
just was wondering if you've had an exposed to it.

518
00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:19.920
Well in visiting Phoebe, we I've experienced a little bit,

519
00:28:19.960 --> 00:28:21.920
but I'm not like sat through a class or not.

520
00:28:22.039 --> 00:28:24.279
Okay. The reason why I mentioned this because you know

521
00:28:24.359 --> 00:28:26.839
on YouTube there's many many places to find I find

522
00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:30.039
sometimes meditation, gray noise, brown noise, green eyes, whatever they are.

523
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:30.319
Yeah.

524
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:34.000
Plus plus what I find though, is the is it bowls, Phoebe,

525
00:28:34.079 --> 00:28:34.960
I'm not sure exactly.

526
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:38.359
It's crystal bowls. And then there's Tibetan bulls, and I

527
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:42.160
play both kinds, and I play all the instruments and stuff.

528
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:45.279
I find them incredibly soothing they are, and I think

529
00:28:45.319 --> 00:28:48.240
sometimes but you know, it's funny sometimes the dissonance of

530
00:28:48.319 --> 00:28:50.599
some of them just kind of like give you almost

531
00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:52.400
like a not a toothache, but it somebody like, Okay,

532
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:53.720
that's that's a tough one.

533
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:57.160
And it's that, but that's where the healing happens. Oh

534
00:28:57.200 --> 00:29:01.559
really has that? That dissonance is where it's breaking up

535
00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:08.680
some sort of tangle in your system or the energy. Ever. Yeah,

536
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:10.400
it's you know how they get in there and they

537
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:11.920
and they buzz it out.

538
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:14.720
You know, they use a vibration and a sound, a

539
00:29:14.839 --> 00:29:17.680
sonic like a thing. Yeah, actually, break heart. I know

540
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:19.880
we're going down a weird I know.

541
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:23.720
But this base in science. Sound healing is ancient wisdom

542
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:28.160
and and science is you know, has studied it. So

543
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:32.039
it's very fascinating. I love going down this rabbit hole.

544
00:29:33.400 --> 00:29:35.799
But yeah, the boy, it started with the voice and

545
00:29:36.559 --> 00:29:39.599
kind of instilled with the energy she was doing, and

546
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:43.039
the bulls she played these were crystal balls as well,

547
00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:47.039
and then it just it's snowballed.

548
00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:51.960
I just a release. Initially, I think it was a.

549
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:56.759
Release, and it was an opening. So I mean, I've

550
00:29:56.759 --> 00:30:00.119
done a lot of like healing on this. But I

551
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:04.960
grown up in a family the youngest two very active

552
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:08.640
older brothers. Father was an alcoholic, so the house was

553
00:30:08.720 --> 00:30:13.640
kind of chaotic, and I was very quiet, very shy,

554
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:16.839
and when I did try to say something, I was

555
00:30:16.880 --> 00:30:19.759
embarrassed or I would make they'd make fun of me,

556
00:30:19.920 --> 00:30:25.319
or so I would shut that down. So I didn't uh.

557
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:32.519
I wasn't used to expressing myself easily, you know, And

558
00:30:32.519 --> 00:30:37.920
and this just like opened it. And and that therapist

559
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:41.240
and other people I worked with said you're going to

560
00:30:41.319 --> 00:30:44.519
help people with your voice, and and that was just

561
00:30:44.519 --> 00:30:47.799
like this big question like how am I doing that?

562
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:51.400
Going to a hospital and make these moode sounds like

563
00:30:52.200 --> 00:31:00.880
I don't know on a street corner and San Francisco

564
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:03.640
would be fine, nobody would Lincoln, I right.

565
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:07.400
One amongst the crowd, just another.

566
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:08.000
One of those rudeos.

567
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:12.640
So was this eventually morphing into a new reinvention?

568
00:31:13.480 --> 00:31:13.720
Yeah?

569
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:19.519
Absolutely so. Now I am a reiki master, so I

570
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:22.079
work with energy and then I can teach other people

571
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:27.319
how to use energy for healing themselves or for others.

572
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:32.720
And I add my voice and crystal bowls, Tibetan bulls.

573
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:36.480
I have a Native American flute, the Tibetan bulls. I

574
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:41.240
just got in Nepal when I went there and picked

575
00:31:41.319 --> 00:31:44.480
up a drum there, and you know it's just I

576
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:46.079
got all kinds of tools.

577
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:50.000
So this reinvention and this new let's say career, I

578
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:52.039
mean I would say, would you call it a career?

579
00:31:52.480 --> 00:31:52.759
Okay?

580
00:31:53.240 --> 00:31:56.160
Yeah, but you'd mentioned you've gone to Nepal. Now what

581
00:31:56.359 --> 00:31:57.720
was that trip for Nepal?

582
00:31:59.200 --> 00:32:03.319
So I went to add my sound healing and reiki

583
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:09.880
to something that they were providing. This organization I went

584
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:15.279
with provides healing camps like health camps for people that

585
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:18.880
live in the foothills of the Himalayans. So they live

586
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:24.200
they're small villages and they have no healthcare available up there,

587
00:32:25.480 --> 00:32:32.480
so none. They can take a bus, which you know,

588
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:35.799
it's kinds carried around on the bus because like cliffs,

589
00:32:35.920 --> 00:32:42.799
and they can walk three hours to get there. But

590
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:46.200
it's just not practical and you've got elderly people or

591
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:54.480
someone who's really sick. So these health camps they bring

592
00:32:55.880 --> 00:33:04.119
Nepali healthcare workers, so Irorevedic doctors, nurses. Actually there were

593
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:09.599
five doctors that they brought up there, and then we

594
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:16.119
as volunteers came and provided whatever, you know, we whatever

595
00:33:16.200 --> 00:33:19.039
gifts we had. So a woman that came with us

596
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:21.440
is a dance therapist, so she was leading them in

597
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:26.920
dance where they could release their emotions and and she

598
00:33:27.119 --> 00:33:30.519
brought of course music from Nepal's and they were very

599
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:34.319
familiar with that. And then I was doing this sound

600
00:33:34.400 --> 00:33:38.759
healing that I do hear, introducing them to something they

601
00:33:38.880 --> 00:33:41.799
were already familiar with. I wanted the camps, I was like,

602
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:44.880
so because I didn't bring my crystal balls, I was

603
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:51.079
a little too risky. They're breakable, So I didn't bring

604
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:56.319
my crystal balls, and I bought these Tibetan style bolls,

605
00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:01.359
handmade in Nepal, and so I brought those to the

606
00:34:01.480 --> 00:34:04.039
camps and I couldn't. I didn't bring my drum or

607
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:07.640
my shaker either because it's just hard to pack, and

608
00:34:07.799 --> 00:34:10.480
so I bought a druma I couldn't find a shaker.

609
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:16.400
Apparently they don't exist there to make one. But yeah,

610
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:21.239
so you know, helping people one on one or in groups.

611
00:34:22.239 --> 00:34:25.599
And in one of the camps, I even asked them,

612
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:28.280
are you familiar do you know these? I had translators

613
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:31.119
by the way, so like, do you know these bulls?

614
00:34:31.440 --> 00:34:36.159
And one person said, oh, yeah, my grandmother plays those.

615
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:38.679
We have those in the house and my grandmother plays

616
00:34:38.679 --> 00:34:41.320
them once in a while. And another person said, we

617
00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:43.920
have some of those bulls, but nobody knows how to

618
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:46.760
play them. Nobody knows what to do with them. So

619
00:34:47.119 --> 00:34:53.000
and that's what's happening up there, is that they're natural

620
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:58.880
indigenous healing that they used to do, plant medicine and

621
00:34:59.079 --> 00:35:06.079
sound healing, all of that has kind of disappeared as

622
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:10.280
western medicine comes in. They've got cell phones, they've got internet,

623
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:15.559
so and then the younger generation of course they want

624
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:20.159
what they see the Westerners have. They want to go

625
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:24.000
to the doctor and get medicine, and they don't want

626
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:26.960
and they have these healing plants growing everywhere. So this

627
00:35:27.199 --> 00:35:31.280
organization also reminds that they're working with the elders to

628
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:34.880
remind them of the remedies and the plants that are

629
00:35:34.960 --> 00:35:39.400
right there. And then now they have health like a

630
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:43.280
health post and a practitioner that works there so they

631
00:35:43.320 --> 00:35:45.920
can assess people. They can say, yes, this person needs

632
00:35:45.920 --> 00:35:48.239
to go to the hospital or this okay, here's what

633
00:35:48.320 --> 00:35:50.000
we need to do. And then they're also doing a

634
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:54.320
lot of preventative education, preventative medicine, things they can have

635
00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:57.719
in their home to have on hand, and things like that.

636
00:35:58.440 --> 00:36:01.119
So it's interesting because you you know, you're saying that

637
00:36:01.280 --> 00:36:05.000
a lot of the traditional methods are being forgotten or

638
00:36:05.079 --> 00:36:09.599
not practiced anymore. Younger generations would like what they believed

639
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:13.119
to be helpful. Are they open to coming back to

640
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:14.000
these things.

641
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:18.000
Yes, So it's like the elders, you know, they're getting

642
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:20.039
too old. They want to pass it down. This generation

643
00:36:20.320 --> 00:36:23.480
said no. There are people like more our age that

644
00:36:23.599 --> 00:36:27.159
were like, no, we want the good stuff, real medicine.

645
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:31.440
You know, and then the younger generation is the one

646
00:36:32.039 --> 00:36:36.079
that's ready to learn, wants to know what Grandma knew,

647
00:36:36.920 --> 00:36:42.800
wants to learn all of this plant medicine and preventative medicine.

648
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:45.880
Because at the end of the camps, there were five

649
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:48.159
days of camps and then they had a wrap up

650
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:51.039
meeting and all the doctors were talking about they're like

651
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:56.559
ninety nine percent of what they saw people for are preventative.

652
00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:03.800
With education and the right equipment or materials in their

653
00:37:03.880 --> 00:37:08.760
homes and the information, they could prevent those because I

654
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:09.440
got to tell.

655
00:37:09.280 --> 00:37:11.400
You, if you've listened, if you watch any television at

656
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:14.800
all or anything, there is a drug. There's fifteen different

657
00:37:14.880 --> 00:37:17.159
kinds of drug for every single thing. I've never seen

658
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:21.719
a huge long list of what's bad for you, what's

659
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:23.440
going to do to you? And I can't imagine in

660
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:27.559
a way I can't believe it's actually death is actually

661
00:37:27.639 --> 00:37:31.639
always one of them. It's always death, or you're allergic

662
00:37:31.719 --> 00:37:34.480
to this, don't take it. Or a lot of diarrhea.

663
00:37:34.719 --> 00:37:37.920
I've heard a lot of diarrhea different things. But if

664
00:37:37.960 --> 00:37:38.960
you mean I get it.

665
00:37:39.039 --> 00:37:40.599
Because you know, poor diarrhea.

666
00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:42.920
But I have to say, and we don't have to

667
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.679
go down this rabbit hole. But the whole ability for

668
00:37:45.800 --> 00:37:50.320
doctors to prescribe medicines is way overblown.

669
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:52.199
I think there's so many I know what they do,

670
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:57.280
that's what they learn in medical school. Because I hate

671
00:37:57.280 --> 00:38:01.159
to say it, but there they're correct. Is written by

672
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:05.159
the pharmaceutical company, which other So you.

673
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:07.679
Got this, you give them that, you got this, you

674
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:13.519
give them this, you know this, you got to take this, this, that,

675
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:16.119
And that's how cancer treatment was too.

676
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.679
I'm like, there's five bags of things on the infusion

677
00:38:20.199 --> 00:38:24.199
stand there. I'm like, why what are those? Well, this

678
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:26.199
is this is the chemo, and then this is the

679
00:38:26.320 --> 00:38:28.679
thing so that you don't react for the chemo, and

680
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:31.760
then this is the thing. And then the last thing

681
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:33.760
she said was and this is the thing that makes

682
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:38.519
you feel better so that you'll come back again. So

683
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:43.280
like they have this whole cocktail of things.

684
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:48.360
Okay, you know, Okay, So I see the point.

685
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:50.559
I see yeah, and I get you know, since I

686
00:38:50.840 --> 00:38:54.679
finished that treatment for myself, I was all about, like

687
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:58.440
natural stuff, How can I eat the most healthy way?

688
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:03.800
How what can I do instead of take an aspirin

689
00:39:03.960 --> 00:39:06.039
for a headache? What else could I do? And so

690
00:39:06.239 --> 00:39:10.880
sound healing I come into contact with, Like, Wow, that's

691
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:14.599
helpful for all kinds of things. Energy. Just keeping your

692
00:39:14.800 --> 00:39:18.800
energy calm and aligned can keep you out of a

693
00:39:18.920 --> 00:39:23.320
lot of trouble. And yet we're getting bombarded, you know,

694
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:28.679
talk about technology, you know, the EMF waves, and there's

695
00:39:29.000 --> 00:39:32.960
toxins and everything in our homes and out in the world.

696
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:36.159
And so I was gonna ask Gary too, because I know,

697
00:39:36.239 --> 00:39:40.880
you know, Gary's on his journey with weight loss. Is

698
00:39:40.960 --> 00:39:43.559
it ozembic or is it okay? But I mean you

699
00:39:43.679 --> 00:39:48.159
also probably went through the whole litany of education yourself, too, right.

700
00:39:48.119 --> 00:39:52.000
Gary, Well, in the beginning, there was too much information

701
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:54.519
out there and you didn't know what to believe, right,

702
00:39:54.960 --> 00:39:58.480
So that's when I went to my doctor first, because

703
00:39:58.519 --> 00:39:59.960
there's other products out there.

704
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:05.320
Some were at yeah, and there's too much.

705
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:08.760
And then just with food and diet, one week, this

706
00:40:08.880 --> 00:40:10.639
item is good for you, the next week the sem

707
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:11.199
is bad for you.

708
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:13.679
And then what you thought was bad, oh, now it's

709
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:14.360
on the good list.

710
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:18.480
You can't do it with diet and exercise like they

711
00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:19.559
tell you too, you know.

712
00:40:20.559 --> 00:40:22.519
Yeah, So that led me to my doctor, and then

713
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.559
he led me to the undercronologist. So just getting the

714
00:40:26.079 --> 00:40:30.800
knowledge and uh information was helpful and then.

715
00:40:30.800 --> 00:40:32.280
Seeing the results, right.

716
00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:36.000
I mean, they're very smart about, congratulations, starting the treatment,

717
00:40:36.159 --> 00:40:38.679
you know, on very low dosage and building up to it.

718
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:41.360
Because a friend of mine said they started her at

719
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:45.559
the highest dosage right away, and obviously her her body

720
00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:47.519
reacted negatively.

721
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:48.880
To that because it was too much too soon.

722
00:40:49.440 --> 00:40:51.360
So the way my doctor did it was let's slow

723
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.559
it down and then okay, built it up a little,

724
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:57.000
but then a little more and you know. And now

725
00:40:57.039 --> 00:40:59.360
I'm at a position where I've kind of plateaued on

726
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:02.079
my weight loss. So I'm meeting with them next month

727
00:41:02.199 --> 00:41:04.519
to just see what plan be is to we switch

728
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:09.039
to another medication that maybe will you know, make your

729
00:41:09.440 --> 00:41:11.920
journey continue, or we just had to you know, figure

730
00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:17.480
out what needs to be adjusted. So but it's constant

731
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:22.960
education and and and talking to experts. But there is

732
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:26.000
that danger of finding someone who's gonna give you the

733
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:26.599
easy way out.

734
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:27.440
Oh just take this pill.

735
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:31.599
Just so it's like, I'm on two prescribe medications right now,

736
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:34.320
viez epic and one for my blood pressure because it's

737
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:37.639
it's a little too high and so and that's it.

738
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:40.079
So the others are just vitamins and you know, natural things.

739
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:44.920
But I'm not one too. Just oh, let's just pop

740
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:46.239
a pill and then I'll be fine.

741
00:41:47.239 --> 00:41:51.639
Well, the proliferation of GLP ones in in western medicine

742
00:41:51.800 --> 00:41:54.760
is crazy now because you can get them anywhere. When

743
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:56.360
they first kind of you couldn't get them. But now

744
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:58.880
there's a company called Hymns that will deliver them to

745
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:01.159
you literally just and you don't have to have and

746
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:02.599
they'll find a way for it to be paid for.

747
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:07.159
But anyway, we're going Yeah, no, nos.

748
00:42:06.199 --> 00:42:10.000
I two more Nepaul questions. Did you have anyone in

749
00:42:10.079 --> 00:42:12.519
the group from Nepal that was a naysayer or was

750
00:42:13.559 --> 00:42:16.480
hesitant or didn't want to participate?

751
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:21.480
Yeah, you mean the Nepali people. Yes, yes, A couple

752
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:25.280
of them got angry and left the room. I didn't

753
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:27.440
know why the left room. I tried not to take

754
00:42:27.480 --> 00:42:30.480
that personally. I just carried on. But later I heard

755
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:34.320
that people were saying, we just want on medicine. Why

756
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:36.840
are we having to sit through these, you know, And

757
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:38.920
so they kind of used us as like, cause there's

758
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:42.480
a lot of people there and they were waiting in

759
00:42:42.639 --> 00:42:45.280
line for their medicine or to see the doctor and

760
00:42:45.360 --> 00:42:49.199
all that, and so they had us as kind of

761
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:52.199
buffer like places for them to go and do things while,

762
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:57.440
you know, while they're waiting. But they resented it some

763
00:42:57.599 --> 00:42:59.880
of them. Some of them were just oh my god.

764
00:43:00.239 --> 00:43:05.119
Some of them had these incredible they were yeah about

765
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:09.239
our age, some of them a little bit older, and

766
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:12.519
then their children and grandchildren. You know, they brought the

767
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:16.519
kids too. But some of them just received what I

768
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:20.280
gave them and they walked out and they just said, oh,

769
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:24.079
that was so amazing, and they hugged me and thanked me,

770
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:26.199
and then they went out and told people that more

771
00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:28.920
people wanted to come in, and it was like yeah,

772
00:43:29.280 --> 00:43:31.239
but it was like a whole different thing at the

773
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:33.800
other camp, Like every camp was a different kind of

774
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:37.400
energy about it. But the other thing about New Paul,

775
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:42.880
their government, you know, I mean, we don't use the

776
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:47.320
term third world anymore. They're trying to find a term

777
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:51.880
that says what it is that developing country, I guess

778
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:55.880
is kind of where they landed. And so their healthcare

779
00:43:56.079 --> 00:44:02.320
system is they have a Western medicine arm and they

780
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:06.920
have an irevitic which is pretty traditional. It's plant based

781
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:12.960
and it's based in you know, like the yoga traditions, right,

782
00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:17.880
So it's it's older and they also have the Western medicine.

783
00:44:18.840 --> 00:44:22.360
It's not really the herbal like go make a tincture

784
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:26.039
out of mugwart that grows in your backyard, you know,

785
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:30.079
it's not quite like that. But that's what they're teaching

786
00:44:30.159 --> 00:44:33.639
them in the villages. But the medicines they brought were irevitic.

787
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:38.199
In fact, I got sick while I was there, and

788
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:41.400
one of the doctors saw me. He said, no more

789
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:45.559
sound work for you. So I had a stop because

790
00:44:45.559 --> 00:44:48.760
I had a sore throat and congestion. I had a fever,

791
00:44:49.280 --> 00:44:50.960
and they didn't you know, they don't want me around

792
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:56.480
the sick people. So but he gave me an antibiotic

793
00:44:56.920 --> 00:45:02.960
that was herbal based, and he gave me, uh, cough

794
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:06.840
medicine like a liquid you know, coughs are up type

795
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:11.960
of thing. And something else must have been of like

796
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:16.960
for fever to bring the peeper. They say peeper. They

797
00:45:17.039 --> 00:45:23.000
get them in their language, spoke English, sort of like

798
00:45:23.480 --> 00:45:25.079
you have a paper. I'm like, what.

799
00:45:27.400 --> 00:45:32.679
I thought we all had a paper. People used to

800
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:34.679
call me Donny Pever too, so it's I get it.

801
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:39.000
But okay. So so there were some resistance but you

802
00:45:39.440 --> 00:45:41.239
you dealt with that and you kind of let that

803
00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:43.440
flow through. The Other question I had about this was

804
00:45:43.559 --> 00:45:46.159
what did you take away? What was in it for

805
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:48.400
you to do this, and what did you walk away with?

806
00:45:49.239 --> 00:45:53.440
For me, it was it was a transformation. I mean,

807
00:45:53.440 --> 00:45:55.960
I thought through a lot of transformations in the work

808
00:45:56.000 --> 00:45:59.639
that I do. I didn't know it was going to

809
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:06.719
be that deep of a transformation, like getting sick after

810
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:11.039
two of the five camps that that day that I

811
00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:15.360
was getting sick, I was like, I don't feel well.

812
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:21.960
I don't know that I can go tomorrow. And I

813
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:29.280
was told that we're we're not essential by the person

814
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:32.559
who runs the thing that the trip that I was on. Now,

815
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:37.679
she's a lovely person, she's wonderful, and she understood what

816
00:46:37.840 --> 00:46:41.440
she said and how it might be taken. She was like,

817
00:46:41.599 --> 00:46:44.440
I don't mean that they're not important or that you

818
00:46:44.559 --> 00:46:48.639
don't matter, but in the scheme of these camps, we

819
00:46:48.880 --> 00:46:54.480
have to make the volunteers be non essential so that

820
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:58.599
we can do the camp with or without them, Right.

821
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:04.039
So I had to work through that I don't matter,

822
00:47:04.239 --> 00:47:06.840
I'm not important, you know that kind of thing. And

823
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:09.920
I'm sick. I beaver and I was on the road.

824
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:12.239
Now I can't do this sound work. I came here

825
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:17.639
to do right, and I felt like I was a failure,

826
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:20.039
you know, like I came all this way, it was

827
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:23.480
twenty four hours to travel there, you know, and all

828
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:26.119
the preparation to get there, all the things we did

829
00:47:26.880 --> 00:47:30.039
before we went to the camps, all of that, and

830
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:33.719
I just felt like I was letting them down. And

831
00:47:33.880 --> 00:47:36.960
I didn't get to meet all the people I wanted

832
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:40.360
to meet and do all the sound healing. And I

833
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:44.039
had to humble myself and just accept that that's just

834
00:47:44.119 --> 00:47:48.599
the way it is. And every day at the end

835
00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:52.440
of the camps, when the crew got back to our resort,

836
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:54.519
where we were saying, I mean, we stayed in a

837
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:57.440
beautiful resort. I mean, I'm like, this isn't so bad

838
00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:04.199
to have to stay. But we had these young college

839
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:09.760
age there were women, and they were our translators. I

840
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:12.679
spoke very good English, I spoke five languages, and they

841
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:15.079
took very good care of us. And every day after

842
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:17.599
the camps, they'd come to my door and they'd give

843
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:20.880
me gifts that they bought, because the camps give out,

844
00:48:21.000 --> 00:48:24.360
you know, marrables, and it's like a leaf called a

845
00:48:24.480 --> 00:48:28.880
mala and they would give me all these things we

846
00:48:29.079 --> 00:48:32.000
missed you other, all these hugs, and you know, I

847
00:48:32.199 --> 00:48:35.679
was so heartwarming, you know that I and they just

848
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:41.199
made me feel like it's okay, you know, and it

849
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:46.559
just was what it was. And then I, you know,

850
00:48:46.639 --> 00:48:50.320
I didn't sleep very well. The food wasn't digesting very

851
00:48:50.360 --> 00:48:53.639
well for me, and so I was there for like

852
00:48:54.519 --> 00:48:58.960
fourteen days or so, So two weeks in a foreign

853
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:02.360
country where the food isn't digesting and I'm not sleeping,

854
00:49:03.119 --> 00:49:06.679
and then I get sick. So the camps are over.

855
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:10.519
I'm pretty much through the worst of whatever it was.

856
00:49:11.320 --> 00:49:15.400
And then they dragged me out to celebrate. We go

857
00:49:15.480 --> 00:49:17.639
on a boat and you know, I do these fun

858
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:20.079
things and then we go see some more things after

859
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:23.920
we get back to Catman do. But it took me

860
00:49:24.239 --> 00:49:27.840
weeks to recover from that. And I was like, I

861
00:49:28.039 --> 00:49:31.199
was planning to share all the photos and do some

862
00:49:31.360 --> 00:49:34.719
sound healing for people who because people donated for me

863
00:49:34.840 --> 00:49:39.079
to go, and you know, I couldn't fulfill on that

864
00:49:39.360 --> 00:49:41.719
the way I wanted to. I did do a talk

865
00:49:41.800 --> 00:49:47.119
at my church about it, but it's yeah, I was

866
00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:50.199
in the midst of big transformation and there was a

867
00:49:50.280 --> 00:49:53.800
transformation even while I was there, Like it's culture shock.

868
00:49:54.519 --> 00:49:57.320
You're there. There's like little tiny roads.

869
00:49:57.400 --> 00:50:02.039
There's cars too, two lanes worth of cars going in

870
00:50:02.119 --> 00:50:06.119
these little alleys and motorcycles and people walking and there's

871
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:10.760
no sidewalks, and there's shops and it's you know, it's

872
00:50:10.800 --> 00:50:11.360
just crazy.

873
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:15.400
And I didn't know where to look or what. I

874
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:18.360
just follow the first in front of me, and you know,

875
00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:20.480
and she's taking us to shops and showing us things

876
00:50:20.519 --> 00:50:24.400
and getting It was a lot to take in. And

877
00:50:24.559 --> 00:50:27.800
we went to a lot of temples. I couldn't really

878
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:33.039
receive any of the history or the spiritual significance or

879
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:35.880
any of it. I was just looking around. I don't

880
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:41.079
look at the monkeys. And there's monkeys here, actual monkeys,

881
00:50:42.039 --> 00:50:44.679
and you know, and just walking. Oh, we just went

882
00:50:44.760 --> 00:50:48.320
up a whole bunch of stairs. She just following along,

883
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:52.079
you know. We hiked up to the beautiful monastery. You

884
00:50:52.239 --> 00:50:55.320
could kind of see the mountains through the clouds. Didn't

885
00:50:55.360 --> 00:50:59.000
really get a good view of the Himalayas other than that,

886
00:50:59.320 --> 00:51:02.960
but one of the people flew one of the people

887
00:51:03.079 --> 00:51:06.360
flew up in a helicopter up to Mount Everest and

888
00:51:06.440 --> 00:51:11.239
got pictures up there. Yes, I would definitely do it again.

889
00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:18.719
I thought I'd go again this year, and when it

890
00:51:18.800 --> 00:51:22.079
came around, I was like, I'm not ready to do

891
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:25.039
it again, you know. I mean even the twenty four

892
00:51:25.079 --> 00:51:29.480
hour travel. The people on the plane were incredible. It

893
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:32.480
was in the middle of a big festival, so people

894
00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:36.440
were going to India. The whole plane was full of

895
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:40.199
people going home to see their family in India, you know,

896
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:45.360
and just met people on the plane, just enjoyed the

897
00:51:46.639 --> 00:51:53.119
Doha Airport in Qatar, there's a swimming pool I went.

898
00:51:53.239 --> 00:52:00.360
I't swimming last. It's incredible, incredible, it really is. There's

899
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:03.159
a whole spa there, and yeah, it's a lot to

900
00:52:03.239 --> 00:52:09.440
see and a whole like rainforests. You go in and

901
00:52:09.519 --> 00:52:12.159
there's like misters and some countries have too much money.

902
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:16.840
I didn't get to go outside, but I saw videos

903
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:19.440
where you can take a little like three hour tour

904
00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:24.039
of US tour and they have air conditioning vents outside.

905
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:27.199
Of course they do because it's too hot to be

906
00:52:27.360 --> 00:52:30.119
out there. And the time to go is it at

907
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:36.159
night because all the buildings are lit up and all night. Yeah. Yeah,

908
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:38.199
I didn't get to see much. I thought I would

909
00:52:38.239 --> 00:52:41.119
do that on the way back, but instead I went

910
00:52:41.199 --> 00:52:45.960
to a quiet room and tried to sleep some more. Yeah,

911
00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:49.119
but I would totally do it again, and I recommend

912
00:52:49.159 --> 00:52:51.719
it to anybody to go with something like this that

913
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:54.719
where like you get to do some sight being, you

914
00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:58.360
get to see real people, but then you're also doing

915
00:52:58.480 --> 00:53:02.119
something of value, something as important.

916
00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:06.639
Stay tuned for part two of Ain't Nobody Got Time

917
00:53:06.719 --> 00:53:09.599
for That with our special guest Bibi Fabio on our

918
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:10.480
next episode,