Sept. 28, 2025

S2E14 "Spill The Spice/The Fall Of The Mall"

S2E14 "Spill The Spice/The Fall Of The Mall"
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Season 2

Welcome to Lola FALL-Ana-Paloozah! 🍁🎤🎃 Join your "Spicy Hosts-Sashay Squashe' & Spicy McPumpkin (Don & Gary) Put on your flannel, grab that overpriced latte, and buckle up — because this episode is a full-on autumnal fever dream.

We kick things off by schooling the children on the ICON, the LEGEND, the pumpkin-spiced powerhouse herself: Lola. (No, not that one — OUR Lola. Keep up.) From there, we count down the Top 5 U.S. Holidays, which obviously derails into Spillin’ the Spice — a deep dive into the mysterious, magical history of the Pumpkin Spice Latte. We talk the good, the bad, and the cinnamon-aggressively-spicy. Spoiler alert: it all ends in chaos, caffeine, and Don attempting pumpkin spice jokes. (We tried to stop him. We failed. We're sorry.)

And just when you thought it couldn’t get more fall-core, we ask the big question: What happened to The Mall?? Do you even know where your local one is? Is it a mall? A medical center? A luxury condo with a Wetzel’s Pretzels ghost haunting the food court? It’s cozy, it’s spicy, it’s slightly unhinged — it’s Lola FALL-Ana-Paloozah, baby! 🍂✨ 


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I only mind went hi, Hi, Hi, Hi, How are you?

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I'm good?

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How are you good?

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Good Sunday morning.

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Good Sunday morning. How was your weekend?

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It's good.

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You know I'm coming out of my birthday week.

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That was your birthday month.

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Well sure we could do that too, but yeah, peppered

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it with. I went to a concert last weekend, a

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couple events here and there. I went to I think

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I mentioned I went to a skybar on the forty

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sixth floor of the Hilton Union Square hotel. It's been

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around for years, so a friend mentioned it recently. So like,

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you know what, for my birthday, leading the weekend leading

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up to my birthday, I want to go there in

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some friends beautiful clear day, spectacular view looking down on

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downtown financial district San Francisco and the bay behind it.

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I mean like spectacular view. So if you've never been there,

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you must go. I highly recommend. And it's because it's

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in the hotel. You think just for the hotel guests. No,

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it is open to the public. So I did that yesterday.

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I met up with some friends for lunch with whom

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I'm going to Germany in December. So little pre Germany

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planning lunch. Yeah, just kind of you know, talking a

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few details. And today I'm going to a surprise party.

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Oh really, you're so busy, try and keep the calendar full.

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YEP. I took a little inspiration from you, actually, yes,

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And I'm so I admire so much how you get

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out and you post a lot of things on your

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socials about trying new things, going to new places, and

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I'm kind of I kind of got my inspiration. Don't

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let it go to your head from you about checking

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out places, because you know, we've lived down here in

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the South Bay for about seven years right now, and

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yet there's some outlying places that we've never been to.

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So every weekend I'm going to make it a point

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to choose a destination and break it down and say, okay,

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let's here's three places we're going to go check out,

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like maybe the downtown, some historical or some location out

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in the city that you were visiting, and someplace fun.

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Yesterday we went to San Pedro, which is literally the

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town next to Redondo Beach. It's actually it's not Redondo Beach,

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Palace Verdes. Then San Pedro, which is another port city,

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and we went to this cool place called the Exchange

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and it was really fun. We went through some sketchy

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parts of town. I thought, of you and you're so,

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but it's a port city, so it did remind me

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a little bit of side of the city that used

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to be South Beach right, which was never developed a

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long time ago before pack Bell Park and all those

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parks came in. So it was kind of interesting. But

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we had a great time going there. And then yesterday

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we had a few people come over for a sniff

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or two of wine. So luckily, you know, if I

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was going to wake up in my front yard, at

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least I didn't have far to walk to come home.

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That's always a wise move. Happened in your own yard,

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because if you have it somewhere else, she gonna wake up.

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The hell?

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What are we talking about this week? What are you

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going to talk about this?

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So today our theme is it cold it is the Fall,

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And I thought, well, let's you and I have an

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episode and we can talk about a potpourri of.

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Things like a fall. Potpourri a fall.

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So then I thought, well, what can we call it?

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A similar word that I'd like to say is paloosa,

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because you know, when you throw palooza and that means

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just gonna be fun. Right, So then I thought, well,

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it's gonna be a fall Pollusa, Noah falla Poaloosa, and

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then that turned into Lola Fala Palosa.

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So that's where the name came. It just kind of

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spilled out.

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You are a genius. You are totally a genius, and

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I embrace the Lola fall on a Palooza. Yes season

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that we're going to extend out to. So we're going

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to extend this series for a number of segments going forward.

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I think we can just rename it depending on the season. Right,

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So in the artist went incorporate.

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And you have a potpourri, and I also have some

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things to add. I'm actually going to go deep into

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wait for it, PSL Pumpkin Spice Latte and the origins

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and why it's so crazy and all of the mystery

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and shenanigans around pumpkin spice and why it is such

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a part of our culture.

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And I'm going to throw in some fall related things,

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Birthday related things, and I am going to leave you

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with a teaser since we're going to do a short

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little break.

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When you tell me.

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Tomorrow, I'm having a little a little work done.

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Oh thank god, thank god, you finally are embracing that.

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So I'll leave you with that, okay, and then on

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the other side, as they say, okay, I'll share what

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that work is.

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Okay, well, I hope you're feeling spicy always. Okay, be

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right back.

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And we're back.

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Yes we are.

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And if you don't know us by now, we are

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Don and Gary doing sixty He's the Don, I'm the Gary,

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and we are both you know, sixty plus. So this

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is our podcast where we navigate life at this age.

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Yes well done.

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Sometimes we have guests, but no matter whether we have

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guests or not, you can find us on pot page

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Good job, Yes, which is our website. You can also

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hear us on your favorite podcast platforms like Apple and spots, Spotify.

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If you want to see the whole package as it were,

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you can view us on YouTube, Blue Sky, Facebook, where everywhere.

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And I will admit that Don is genius behind all

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putting all that together, the music, the clips, I'm.

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Just the talent, You're just you're the face, You're the looks.

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I'm the face and well maybe not this morning, but

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so in this episode, as I mentioned before, we are

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talking about fall related items. It is the Lola fall

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on a Caloosa.

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I laugh every time.

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It was fun coming up with it.

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Oh, you're a genius. You are a genius, I swear, and.

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I believe you have a little background.

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On Yeah, I do, yes, I do so in case

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for the children, because we all know who Lola Falana

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is and growing up as we did on TV in

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the seventies, she was actually quite the well known actress

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performer of the time. So first let's answer this very

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very important question. Yes, when very Much wrote Copa Cabana,

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he did base it on his going into the actual

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Copa Cabana and envisioning Lola Fallana in there, which is

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why Lola is the name used in Copa Cabana.

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I did not know that.

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Yes, it's an actual true story. I found that out.

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So she was the inspiration for him to use the

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name Lola in his song.

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Wow, that's really cool.

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And you just saw him recently, didn't you.

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I did.

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He's touring. He is eighty two. I believe he's in

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his eighties. He was in Oakland about a month ago,

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and he's going to be doing a residency in Vegas. Really,

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but I figured I could just go across the vein

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watch him, and it was a really good show.

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Really, he's still a bunch.

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Of gray hairs like me, but well he looks like

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he's had a little work done. But I will say

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he was on for about an hour and a half

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hour forty five minutes. He did all the hits. I

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was singing along because I know I still know all

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the words.

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I bet it was.

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It was like a trip down memory lane. Was a

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really really good concert. One of my favorites.

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Yeah. Her actual full name is Lolitha Elaine Falana. You know,

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and guess what. She just celebrated her eighty third birthday

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on September eleventh, the day after your birthday. Yes, that

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was her first film role was in A Man called

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Adam in nineteen sixty six. Of course I wasn't born yet.

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You were probably what twenty five by then, So alongside

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Sammy Davis Junior and Ozzie Davis with Cecily Tyson. She

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was nominated for a Tony Award in nineteen seventy five

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for Best Actress in a musical called Doctor Jazz. She

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was also in TV, so she was in Mad About You,

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Fantasy Island, The Love Boat Hotel. If you remember Hotel

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Yea in San Francisco. She was in Vegas. She was

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in a show called Switch the Streets of San Francisco

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and the Mod Squad.

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So wow, yeah, you remember her as being like, well,

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they did variety shows. Yes, you know, she was either

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one of the headliners or one of the guests. But singing, dancing,

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you know, really energeticic, you know, look beautiful, sounded great.

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Yes, yeah, And I'm going to include some clips of

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her because I found quite a few in the archives,

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and we're going to do some, you know, some promos

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with her as the inspiration because she was actually quite

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a wonderful entertainer, beautiful woman, also very talented singer and dancer,

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and she was considered the Queen of Las Vegas. She

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played the sold out crowds at the Sands, the Riviera,

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and the MGN Grand Hotels, and finally the Aladdin offered

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her one hundred thousand dollars a week to perform, and

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at the time she was the highest paid female performer

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in Las Vegas.

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That's amazing, that's amazing.

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So, I mean, she was there. I mean, I know

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the children don't know who she might be, but I

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recommend you to go take a look at some of

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her work. She's very talented lady. She's still around. Like

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I said, she just turned eighty three. And here's a

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little known fact that's kind of like a nugget. Apparently,

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she was famously banned from The Johnny Carson Show because

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she was good friends with Wayne Newton.

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Oh and Johnny Carson wayite noton had some big feud.

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Yeah, they had a beef. So she was never on there.

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I think she might have been on there once and

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then after he found out that she was friends with

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Wayne Newton, no more.

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Wow. So she joined the Joan Rivers club.

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Of being banned basically, Yes, yeah, that was it. So

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there's three of them, Wayne, Lola and Joan. Yeah.

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So wow.

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Anyway, thank you for sharing about Lola. Yes, let's get

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back to me.

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Oh God, So a couple quick things, as you know,

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as we all know, right, because everyone sent me a

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birthday wishes. I just turned sixty three.

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She did congratulations this week.

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So I wanted to share with you who else or

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what else turned sixty three? So these films were all

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made in nineteen release in nineteen sixty two, so they

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are sixty three years old, and you know, some big

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names here, Lawrence of Arabia starring Peter O'Toole, To Kill

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a Mockingbird starring Great Greek Peck Really okay, The Manchurian

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Candidate starring Frank Sinatra and Angela Lansbury played his mother.

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Whatever Happened to Baby Jane with Benny Davis and Joan Crawford,

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The Miracle Worker with Anne Bancroft and Patty Duke, Days

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of Wine in Roses with Jack Lemon and Lee Remick. Wow,

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I mean heavy, heavy drama about Oolis, Mutiny on the

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Bounty with Marlon Brando, and Gypsy with Rosslynd Russell and

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Natalie Wood.

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Oh my gosh.

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So all those movies are like me sixty three years.

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Old and soon to be like me in October. So,

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I mean, I know we weren't going to go there,

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but I thought.

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I just, oh, you went there.

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Don't worry, I'll edit this out.

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Then. My teaser that I alluded to is having a

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little work done tomorrow. So let me tell you, well,

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it's not on my front's side. It's on my backside.

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Oh of my car.

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Oh, so let me take you back.

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May twenty seventeen, I bought a new car the fall

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of twenty eighteen. See how I in the fall of

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twenty eighteen, I'm driving home. I'm stuck in bumper to

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bumper traffic just a few blocks from home, completely stopped,

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and there's a pickup truck behind me. And he thought

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we started to move forward, so he probably let his

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foot off the gas and he basically just kind of

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like just like a little tap on the back of

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my car. And I have an SUV, so he hit

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the back hatch, the one that opens up. But it

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was such a nothing tap. I didn't even get out

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of my car really, and he did get out and

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out of the rearview mirror, I saw him kind of

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look at the car and he waved at me and

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got back in, like I'm good, right. I parked my

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car in my garage. I was racing meet friends for dinner.

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After dinner, I come back to my car, and that's

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when I go and look around the back side on

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the passenger side of the hatch, and I see this

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big ass dent. I'm like, oh.

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Crap, how did that happen? If he'd barely taps.

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You, I think because of the height of his pickup truck,

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the bumper hit my hatch at us. You know it's

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a sweet spot. I mean it's a big truck, right,

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But he didn't ram me because we were stopped, so

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he just like literally tapped it. And it wasn't like

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I sit in the car and you know, jerked. It

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was just like whatever. But you know, it's like, yeah,

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it's a big dent. But I thought it's a dent,

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it's not going to impact how the car drives. So yeah,

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it's a pain in the ass literally, but.

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I'll live with it.

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But over years, every time that hatch opens and closes,

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he press the button, and more recently here there's kind

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of groan like, fach open. It's that girl, I know

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how you feel.

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I kind of do that too when I open my hatch.

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Right, and you've opened your hatch a lot. But this

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is not about you. So so sometimes I press the

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button and it wouldn't open, or if the door is

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fully open, I pressed the button and it wouldn't close.

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I'm like, you know, I'm getting tired of this because

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now it is impacting the car and sometimes where I

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have to like manually open or close the door. Oh really,

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So the last time I had my car in for service.

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I hit one hundred thousand mile mark on my car.

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Well clarify.

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I asked, is there an approved auto body shop place

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here in San Francis?

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Oh?

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Yeah, and gave me the name. I called them. I said, look,

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here's situation. Here's what happened. It happened like you know,

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seven years ago or whatever. And he asked, is your

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insurance going to cover it? And I said, well, you

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know what happens so long ago, I never reported it.

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So he says, you know, couldn't hurt to ask them

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because it.

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Could be expensive.

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Right, I call my insurance. I tell them exactly what happened.

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Here's the truth that happened seven years ago. Blah blah blah.

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And the guy says, well, we'll mark this as a

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no fault accident, even though it's been all this time.

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Go ahead and get your quote center to me. We'll

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see it gets approved. The quote came back at fifty

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seven hundred dollars.

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How big is this stent? Is it big? Is it large? Well?

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I mean yeah, I mean you look at it.

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Yeah, it's not small. Have you seen the size of myc.

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No, your rear end or the side pen.

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But the insurance approved it Wow, So I just have

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to pay my five hundred dollars deductible. You didn't you, No,

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I have to, so I only so the bill will

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be fifty seven hundred. I'm only paying five hundred. The

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insurance will cover the rest. So tomorrow morning, I'm dropping

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my car off and they're gonna have to keep it

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for like they said, seven business days. But you know, hey,

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but I'll have a new young firm tight.

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Going go on and go on back.

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Atch.

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We all need one of those.

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Right, So yeah, so there's my work having.

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Done so, so I'm assuming without having a car for

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a few days, you're going to be fine because you're

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in the middle of the city and you can.

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I went from home, and when I'm here during the week, I,

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unless I'm doing like you know, a lot of grocery shopping,

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are going to go see my mom. That's where I

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take my car if I can manage to get around

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walking or taking the metro through that.

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Couldn't you even take the train down to see your

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mom if you needed to?

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Yeah, I mean, so the next weekend, when I won't

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have my car, if I go see her, like well,

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I could take the train. You know, it's a little longer.

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I bet it's not that far, and you know, work,

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and like I have dinner plans a friends take inviting

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me to a late birthday dinner because her schedule couldn't

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make it this week. So I'll probably take the Metro,

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just like take an uber, I mean an uber here

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there a couple times during you know, ten days whatever.

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It's not going to kill me, so good. So that's

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what I got going on. Okay, and I've got some

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fall related things, but I want to let you get

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a chance to talk.

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Okay. The inspiration for some of this was we had

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talked about how early the retailers are dropping holiday stuff, right, yes,

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back in the beginning of August, end of July, we

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started seeing Halloween. Is that right?

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Or did yes? I was in Safeway and it was

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early August and they already had all the Halloween decorations out.

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Halloween it's probably basically sold out by now.

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And you know you go to Costco and the Christmas

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stuff is up already.

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Ye yes, yes, So I dug into That's kind of

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what drove us audience to talk about this because we

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were so flummixed, and I think maybe the impetus was

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during COVID because that also happened. I believe during the

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summer into the fall, COVID was dropping. They were dropping

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products early to keep people busy or to keep people

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occupied in their minds off of what was happening. But

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I kind of did a little off that. I did

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a couple more little bits of research. I just took

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a look at the top five most popular holidays in

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the US, and no surprise, Christmas is number one, and

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they say from these statistics, ninety percent of Americans basically

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celebrate it number two, believe it or not, even though

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I believe it gets the shaft is thing Thanksgiving because

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you know, if you think about it as a holiday,

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people are alreadys Halloween, Halloween, Halloween, Christmas.

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Yeah.

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So, even though it is ranked number two, celebrated supposedly

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eighty five to ninety percent of Americans.

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Or Thanksgiving us the Jan Brady of holidays.

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Yes, Marcia got all turkey, Turkey Turkey. But number three

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is the fourth of July, nearly universally celebrated. Allegedly, Number

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four is New Year's Day, widely celebrated, and of course

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number five actually is Halloween. Oh so yeah, interesting, So

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seventy percent. But I mean everyone that I talked to

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believes in it like crazy. Everyone loves Halloween and does

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everything and has a great time.

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It's interesting that you said New Year's Day. I would

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think of of that. It would be New Year's Eve,

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leading is in New Year's Day.

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But correct, there's more an event, I guess, but the

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day is basically celebrated, right yeah, yeah, So back to

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my original thoughts. Here, are you feeling a little spicy?

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Do you want me to spill the spice?

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Do it? Spill it?

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Always?

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I'm always for spicy.

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Well, I got to ask you, do you at all

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like pumpkin spice lattes? Or are you into that whole

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Starby's thing.

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I rarely go to Starbucks. When I do, I either

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get like a latte or amoca. I don't go for

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the flavored ones. And I'm not a regular customer. I

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mean nothing against them. It's just that I was never

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a big coffee drinker. Okay, So I mean I have

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a cure rig here and I use it, you know,

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I dust it off and use it here and there. Okay,

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but no, I've never had a pumpkin spice latte.

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Well, it's actually now a PSL. That's how they're they're

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branding things right now. I think it's interesting to think

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about when they started and what they did with this,

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because I've got some statistics here from Starby's about what

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happened with them. So basically it took off with Starbucks

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introduction of the Pumpkin Spice Latte aka PSL back in

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two two thousand and three, they first launched this, and

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basically they were capitalizing on nostalgia and sensory overload with

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the spices and starting to think about what things are

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coming your way. But they also released it, but they

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released it in August. Oh, it's one of those things

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where they bring because it was already out and this

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is what the middle of September that we're recording this.

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It's been out for few weeks. So in two thousand

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and four. It was originally launched into one hundred stores.

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In twenty twenty three, they just celebrated the twenty year

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anniversary of the Pumpkin Spice Latte. Of course, it's twenty

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five years old now. It's basically a cultural icon and

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Starbucks' most popular seasonal drink. There were one hundred original

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Starbucks stores that sold the pumpkins spice latte during that

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test run in Washington, let's see, or Starbucks produced thirty

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six point two billion dollars in net revenue. Or Starbucks

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net revenue was four point one billion in two thousand

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and three. So from between two thousand and three and

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twenty twenty four, they've increased their their income by thirty

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four million dollars three four billion dollars. Isn't that amazing?

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And here's the more. Thirty three point eight percent is

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the amount of increase that the pumpkin spice has drawn

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to the menus. So they basically increase their business by

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almost thirty five percent. Upstairs added pumpkin spice to the dictionary.

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There's a definition for it right now. It was the

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third seasonal beverage included by Starbucks, after the eggnog latte

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and the peppermint mocha, so number three. But their most

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popular one so far.

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Is the o that you just mentioned. Do they continue

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with those? Do you know?

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Yes, they do, and they're very popular, but not as

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popular as popular as pumpkin spice. As DFL they've increased

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their foot trafficked by twenty four percent as of last year. Actually,

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when they release it every year so that when they

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open the doors on that day, their traffic increases by

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almost twenty five percent.

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And do you know the significance of why it's August

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twenty second, is that like the first day of fall

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or something.

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I don't. I think it's they've just made this day

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to be an anniversary of the day when they originally

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first launched it. That's when they did it in those

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other markets. And there is an organization called the Leafbreaker

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Society on Facebook which basically forty two thousand members that

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only celebrate the fall year and celebrate pumpkin spice lattes.

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So went you went hard and you went deep.

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I'm not done? Oh not done? So again, maybe we

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talked about this whit like why would it be so popular?

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Because it basically evokes memories and feelings about the fall

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and holly seasons, because it smells great, It's only in

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there for a limited amount of time, so people create

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a you know, a desire for it because you.

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Have to grab it while you can because it'll be

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gone after you know, X me exactly so.

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And they say seventy responders say that they use pumpkin

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pie spice at least once a week during the week season.

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Pumpkin spices sales occur between August and December, so this

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three months all this stuff is happening. It's like a luxury.

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It's a gift you give yourself. The other thing I

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was gonna mention is all the things that are made

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from pumpkin spice or have it, pumpkin spice, deodorant, pumpkin spice, toothpaste,

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trash bags, god pumpkin spice, toilet spray, pooperee. Kind of like,

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maybe that's what you were going to give us, some pooperrey,

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laundry detergent, pumpkin spice, hot dogs, pumpkin spice, hot sauce,

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pumpkin spice, pizza, chewing gum infused pumpkin spice, toothpicks, pumpkin

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spiced hair dye, cat litter, salmon gouda, cheese, hum miss

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mac and cheese, cough drops, and wait for it, tamales.

466
00:24:06.319 --> 00:24:09.799
To our listeners, I've been nodding no to all of

467
00:24:09.839 --> 00:24:11.039
what Don just said.

468
00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:16.079
Oh and there was one funny thing that there was

469
00:24:16.200 --> 00:24:18.240
a meme I saw that there was a picture of

470
00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:23.960
a gentleman's club called Pet's Show Club in Portland, Maine

471
00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:27.559
where you can get a pumpkin spice lap dance. Oh god,

472
00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:31.279
but you can't pay it in Starbucks gift cards.

473
00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:34.000
Well that makes total sense.

474
00:24:35.160 --> 00:24:38.039
Okay. And just to top it off, and I've got

475
00:24:38.359 --> 00:24:41.079
a joke for you because my other jokes one went

476
00:24:41.279 --> 00:24:44.200
so here we go, right, And I've had a few here,

477
00:24:44.240 --> 00:24:46.039
but I can't decide, so I did write them down.

478
00:24:46.079 --> 00:24:50.559
I am cheating because I said I'm horrible, horrible at

479
00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:51.319
telling jokes.

480
00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:53.559
Let's see, because you're more naturally funny.

481
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:59.839
Yeah, well see why did the pumpkin spice latte date

482
00:24:59.880 --> 00:25:00.599
the coffee?

483
00:25:02.559 --> 00:25:03.240
I don't know?

484
00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:06.079
Because he heard it was brutiful?

485
00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:13.440
Okay, do you have any I got one?

486
00:25:13.480 --> 00:25:14.079
I got one more?

487
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:15.880
Okay, And I promised this.

488
00:25:20.119 --> 00:25:22.799
How do you how do you fix a broken pumpkin

489
00:25:22.880 --> 00:25:27.240
spice latte? I don't know with a pumpkin patch?

490
00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:33.640
Well okay, I mean I'm brilliant.

491
00:25:33.680 --> 00:25:34.880
I'm just brilliant.

492
00:25:35.519 --> 00:25:37.240
I wouldn't make a living out of it.

493
00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:39.680
But well, no, believe me, it's not going to quit

494
00:25:39.680 --> 00:25:40.960
my day job. I swear to God.

495
00:25:42.440 --> 00:25:44.680
But well, the only word I have on pumpkin is

496
00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:47.759
that I did visit Trader Joe's last night, and I

497
00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:51.480
will say that you couldn't swing a dead cat without

498
00:25:51.519 --> 00:25:54.720
seeing up something with the word pumpkin on it. I

499
00:25:54.759 --> 00:26:00.160
did buy a pumpkin bread mix, okay, making some any

500
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:02.279
loafs this week for a meeting I'm going to, so

501
00:26:02.640 --> 00:26:06.160
I'll try that one. But wherever I turn, it was pumpkin.

502
00:26:06.240 --> 00:26:08.480
This pumpkin that they basically.

503
00:26:08.200 --> 00:26:10.599
Have a shrine set up in there with nothing. They

504
00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:13.759
put literally all of their pumpkin spice products or pumpkin

505
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:19.519
inspired products in one huge section of the time. Yeah,

506
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:23.359
like you said, you can swing a dead cat, right, So.

507
00:26:24.599 --> 00:26:28.079
In reference to fall, how you said how they celebrate

508
00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:31.160
or release this every on August twenty second. Yes, just

509
00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:35.759
for clarity, I just googled while we're we're talking. This year,

510
00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:39.759
the first day of fall falls on Monday, September twenty second,

511
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:43.359
So we're not in the fall season yet. I know

512
00:26:43.960 --> 00:26:46.759
we're a week away because today's the fourteenth of September,

513
00:26:46.799 --> 00:26:47.839
so we're a week away.

514
00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:52.960
But yeah, well, and I'm sorry I'm not ready yet

515
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:55.720
because it's still beautiful. Maybe not today here, but I'm

516
00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:58.480
sure you said it's beautiful there right weather it's good.

517
00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:00.759
Yeah, I mean it's it's a little overcap but it's yeah,

518
00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:02.039
it's been nice weather.

519
00:27:02.359 --> 00:27:04.720
But San Francisco is known for having an Indian summer,

520
00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:08.440
so that you go into September October, it's still quite beautiful, right.

521
00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:08.920
Yeah.

522
00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:11.359
I mean I was out by the ocean yesterday and

523
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:13.319
it was pretty dark, nice, and I was there at

524
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:18.200
five o'clock, okay, you know, for an early dinner, and

525
00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:21.039
it was it was really nice. So I have a

526
00:27:21.079 --> 00:27:27.240
contribution to the fall of it all. So if you've

527
00:27:27.279 --> 00:27:32.119
been a longtime listener, you won't be surprised that recently

528
00:27:32.200 --> 00:27:37.640
I fell again. This is now the third time. So

529
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:39.680
for noon that listeners, let me tell you several years ago,

530
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:42.480
I forget what year. I was getting out of my car.

531
00:27:42.559 --> 00:27:44.480
It was like ten thirty nights, so the street was

532
00:27:44.519 --> 00:27:48.000
pretty dark. My car was parked like halfway on the street,

533
00:27:48.000 --> 00:27:50.720
halfway in the driveway. And what they didn't realize is

534
00:27:50.799 --> 00:27:55.359
that drop from by the gutter was really deeper than normal.

535
00:27:55.599 --> 00:27:57.799
So when I got out of the car, it took

536
00:27:57.839 --> 00:28:01.400
him by surprise and I ended up, you know, doing

537
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:04.279
a face plant on the on the pavement. And it

538
00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:07.079
was that first one was the probably the most traumatic

539
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:09.440
because it was so it was pitch black. There was

540
00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:11.279
like a street light and distance, but you couldn't see,

541
00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:14.599
so you just like lost control of everything, and which

542
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:17.480
is anytime you fall right, you gravity winds and you

543
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:20.160
lose control. But that one was probably the most dramatic

544
00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:22.279
as it just was. I was okay, you know, just

545
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:24.799
banged up my knee, but it was fine. Skip ahead

546
00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:28.119
to I think it was twenty twenty. I was walking

547
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.640
with a neighbor in the neighborhood and you get on

548
00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:34.240
the sidewalk where you get to a tree and the

549
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:38.480
roots have raised the concrete a little bit, and my

550
00:28:38.720 --> 00:28:42.119
foot caught it and paste down. Now that one, I

551
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:45.599
hit the same right side knee, and I guess I

552
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:48.440
hit a sweet spot because then my right knee which

553
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:52.400
just became this big blood patch. So I called an uber,

554
00:28:52.480 --> 00:28:54.440
went to the urgent care. It was fine. It was

555
00:28:54.599 --> 00:28:58.160
just it was just bizarre. But but I and you know,

556
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:00.720
they just cleaned it up and end up fine, limping

557
00:29:00.759 --> 00:29:03.039
a little bit. I was fine, nothing broke and nothing happened.

558
00:29:03.359 --> 00:29:06.759
So now skip ahead about two weeks ago, same thing happened.

559
00:29:06.799 --> 00:29:10.000
It was at the sidewalk was smooth, but it raised

560
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:12.079
a little by the tree, and I wasn't making attention

561
00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:15.400
and another face plan again on the right knee.

562
00:29:16.599 --> 00:29:17.599
What is now with you?

563
00:29:18.480 --> 00:29:21.720
I don't know, but now I have. It's like the

564
00:29:21.759 --> 00:29:23.640
fear of got it to me. It's like I was

565
00:29:23.680 --> 00:29:25.599
with a crowd of people, and of course it's embarrassing.

566
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:28.240
It's y'all race you know around you because it was

567
00:29:28.240 --> 00:29:30.640
doing a walking tour. It wasn't a falling tour as

568
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:32.640
a walking tour. But you know, I had a fall.

569
00:29:33.319 --> 00:29:36.960
So yes, I fell again, but all that's good. You know,

570
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:38.960
it's a little sore, but I was able to walk

571
00:29:39.400 --> 00:29:41.799
continue the tour, you know, put a little ice on

572
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:44.319
it over the next couple of days. But so there's

573
00:29:44.359 --> 00:29:49.200
my my contribution to the fall theme. You said, if

574
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:53.200
we have time, another thing that has fallen. We talked

575
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:54.200
about the fall of.

576
00:29:54.200 --> 00:29:58.920
The mall right right here.

577
00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:02.559
National news of course against in San Francisco was made

578
00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:07.440
when Westfield Mall started emptying out. The anchor stores were

579
00:30:07.480 --> 00:30:14.200
Nordstroms and Bloomingdale's and it's a huge complex, multi level.

580
00:30:14.480 --> 00:30:16.319
Those are the two main anchors, and then you know

581
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:21.079
the assortment of usual mall stores but always really popular.

582
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:25.400
But then at some point North sums their lease ended

583
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:27.119
and like, yeah, we're not we're not going to renew.

584
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:29.640
It was coming out of the pandemic, and you know,

585
00:30:29.720 --> 00:30:33.559
and because of the impact of people working from home.

586
00:30:33.880 --> 00:30:36.359
Financial District, which is right next door to Union Square,

587
00:30:36.359 --> 00:30:39.680
which is dead, so they weren't getting the foot traffic.

588
00:30:40.119 --> 00:30:43.559
And in general, across the country and probably across the world,

589
00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:49.640
foot traffic for brick and mortar stores has fallen right

590
00:30:49.799 --> 00:30:53.440
because of Amazon and other online platforms where you can

591
00:30:53.480 --> 00:30:55.359
purchase things and they don't have to go to the mall.

592
00:30:55.799 --> 00:30:59.559
So that happened. There are other malls here in San Francisco,

593
00:31:00.039 --> 00:31:04.519
tipically Stonestown, which has is super busy, but they've kind

594
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:07.160
of switched it out. There's still stores there, but they

595
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:10.279
become kind of a mecca, like a food hall mecha.

596
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.519
Then there didn't they.

597
00:31:12.480 --> 00:31:15.400
The maze is closed and they renovated that. Now it's

598
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:20.279
like a Whole Foods, a huge Whole Foods screen movie complex,

599
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:24.279
and then you'll find your traditional stores, clothing stores and

600
00:31:24.279 --> 00:31:28.119
gift stores. But they've gotten big on food, so there's

601
00:31:28.119 --> 00:31:30.400
a lot of restaurants either inside or on the perimeter,

602
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:32.400
and that's been a big draw and they're right next

603
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:34.559
to a university, so you know that throws a lot

604
00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:38.839
of so other malls have done good, but Westfield is

605
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:40.960
like a ghost town now and they're trying to figure

606
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:44.400
out once the last few tenants leave. Believe it or not,

607
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:45.640
there's a still couple in there.

608
00:31:45.839 --> 00:31:48.839
And I think because old the original went on market.

609
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:51.640
Right, and I think maybe because their lease hasn't ended.

610
00:31:51.720 --> 00:31:53.799
I was like, well, then get out of it. I

611
00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:56.400
walked through once and it's it's a sad ghost town.

612
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:58.519
You know what kills me because I remember when that

613
00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:00.640
mall first opened. I was working for at the time,

614
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:03.960
and we've been designing. I was designed building stores for them,

615
00:32:04.119 --> 00:32:07.960
and that was the biggest thing because they had kept

616
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:12.119
the original emporium dome. Yes, and that was iconic because

617
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:14.240
the emporium used to be there a hundred years ago,

618
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:16.960
as you recall years ago when we were both there.

619
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:21.000
And then the other innovative thing about that particular mall

620
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:26.200
was that the escalator into Nordstrom was a curved escalator

621
00:32:26.599 --> 00:32:28.880
and it was at the time an innovation that was

622
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:30.839
very rare in the States that they.

623
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:34.119
Had had any people would line up just to ride the escalator, yes.

624
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:36.920
And that was such an impressive mall. Especially, I was

625
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:39.960
so grateful to see the Emporium Dome there because I

626
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:42.279
remember the emporium. My mom would take the shop from

627
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:45.119
there downtown, you know, to buy, you know, in pretty

628
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:48.200
new dress or something, but it was for me, not.

629
00:32:50.319 --> 00:32:51.119
But no matching.

630
00:32:51.319 --> 00:32:53.359
I just have such fond memories of that. And then

631
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:55.240
when I saw it was Bloomyda's like okay, and Bloomydos

632
00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:57.680
was nice. And at the time, that food court was

633
00:32:58.279 --> 00:33:03.079
crazy good. They had so many wonderful different cuisines all across,

634
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:06.440
very global cuisines right right, a big deal.

635
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:10.799
Right in the movie theater there, and tons of stores and.

636
00:33:11.119 --> 00:33:13.240
All the high end stores were there for a long time.

637
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:16.759
It's just a sad thing to think about that. And

638
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:19.480
you know, back to Stonetown. I used to live kind

639
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.039
of down the street from Startstown for a while and

640
00:33:22.079 --> 00:33:23.920
we would go there. It was never my favorite mall,

641
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:29.119
but it was definitely a destination because the train stopped there, right,

642
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:32.480
and they had like all the anchors and now do

643
00:33:32.519 --> 00:33:33.799
you know what, did you say, what they're going to

644
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:34.920
do with it? Now?

645
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.119
I mean they're they're keeping it, but it's it's really

646
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:40.559
become more of a food, foody place. In terms of

647
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:45.759
traditional like Macy's, you know, all all the big retail stores,

648
00:33:45.839 --> 00:33:48.920
I don't know that they have any there. Probably they'll

649
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:53.240
have smaller you know, Mama Pop or chain stores. But

650
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:55.039
in terms of what used to be like you'd going

651
00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:57.720
to be Macy's and the Sears and emporium and a

652
00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:01.319
Bullocks and what have you, I mean none of those. Well,

653
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:03.480
I mean macy still exists at Hillsdale Mall.

654
00:34:04.200 --> 00:34:05.400
Well that what about Hillsdale?

655
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:08.960
Aren't they going to So Hillsdale did a renovation of

656
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:11.880
a huge renovation on the north side of the mall

657
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:14.440
years ago. I don't know if it was before the pandemic.

658
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:16.559
I think it was leading up to the pandemic. And

659
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:18.159
at that point I thought it was odd that they

660
00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:21.280
would do that because even back then the writing was

661
00:34:21.320 --> 00:34:24.440
on the wall that the retail brick and mortar stores

662
00:34:24.480 --> 00:34:28.239
were gone by the wayside yep. So now what's happened

663
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:31.320
is malls have trying to be more creative of what

664
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:33.760
they do with these spaces. So they're trying to make

665
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:36.840
them more interactive and walking through Stonestown recently because I

666
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:40.599
went to the movie theater, there's a space that's one

667
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:41.800
of the escape rooms.

668
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:42.360
Yep.

669
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:45.840
Yeah, right, So they're trying to make it more interactive things.

670
00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:53.119
Before Westfield closed, they had a space for like a

671
00:34:53.199 --> 00:34:56.639
spa and just different things that would that warn't a

672
00:34:56.719 --> 00:35:01.480
traditional store or food place. I've been going back to Hillsdale.

673
00:35:01.760 --> 00:35:04.239
So years ago they did this massive renovation on the

674
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:06.159
north side where Importum used to be. They put in

675
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.039
an apple store in a movie theater and a bowling alley,

676
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:12.599
and they added a west elm okay, and they open

677
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.159
up a plaza, which is very popular because you have

678
00:35:15.199 --> 00:35:19.199
that indoor outdoor sensation and it's popular. But what I

679
00:35:19.280 --> 00:35:22.719
heard recently is that the south side of the mall

680
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:24.760
where Sears used to be, because the mall is like

681
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:28.360
three blocks long, So on the south side they're going

682
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:34.199
to tear all that down and build apartments or condos whatever. Yeah,

683
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:36.840
so they'll probably keep the north side, which is the

684
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:40.039
newer part. It's got the updated and beautiful food court.

685
00:35:40.599 --> 00:35:43.880
I'm thinking like half of the mall will stay and

686
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:46.639
the other half will be converted into housing.

687
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:49.599
I think that's a trend because we actually here have

688
00:35:49.639 --> 00:35:52.039
a place called the South Bay Gaalleria, which is literally

689
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:54.760
a mile away from where we live now that has

690
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:59.960
been basically holding itself together. The mall itself is nothing.

691
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:01.920
It used to have a Nordstrom and there's still a

692
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:04.800
Macy's there, but basically inside is nothing. And they have

693
00:36:04.920 --> 00:36:08.800
plans to literally level it and get Macy's out of

694
00:36:08.840 --> 00:36:11.920
there and make that into workspace living too, And I

695
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:14.159
think that's the way that they need to capitalize on

696
00:36:14.199 --> 00:36:17.559
these big spaces because there's always more housing needed, much

697
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:21.360
to the chagrin of the Nimbies who don't want that happening,

698
00:36:21.719 --> 00:36:24.360
but the fact is that it is needed very badly.

699
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:27.159
And I think it's a great the space because you know,

700
00:36:27.239 --> 00:36:30.239
those big retailers, those big Macy's is barely hanging on

701
00:36:30.599 --> 00:36:33.719
Rydals is part of Macy's. Sears is gone. Jac Penny's

702
00:36:33.760 --> 00:36:36.519
almost gone, right, I think, yeah, Urbans has gone. All

703
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:39.960
of the big anchors are no longer aware. So is

704
00:36:39.960 --> 00:36:43.760
it because of online shopping? Is it because the kids

705
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:45.719
don't need to go to the mall anymore? They're not

706
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:47.599
entertained because it used to be, you know, let's go

707
00:36:47.639 --> 00:36:48.880
to the mall when you're a kay.

708
00:36:49.559 --> 00:36:51.719
I think a big part of it is the online

709
00:36:51.840 --> 00:36:55.559
has had a huge impact on the stores. And then

710
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:57.960
when you have a big company like a Macy's or

711
00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:00.960
a Target or whatever, where they've got you know, dozens

712
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:05.320
and dozens of stores in different states, like you know,

713
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:08.480
oh this one's underperforming, and let's keep these three and

714
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:11.960
close that one. Right, So every year there's like, oh here,

715
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:13.880
you know, they're they're closing a store and you look

716
00:37:13.880 --> 00:37:15.000
at the list to see if it's going to be

717
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:18.440
the one in your city and right. So that's an

718
00:37:18.480 --> 00:37:22.559
ongoing thing where they're just reevaluating because it's not that

719
00:37:22.719 --> 00:37:27.079
peoples they still need a shop. But I know for

720
00:37:27.119 --> 00:37:28.960
some like I rarely go to a mall.

721
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:32.079
Listen, the only reason I ever went to a mall

722
00:37:32.119 --> 00:37:34.519
is when I worked for that Swedish company. When I

723
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:36.880
was doing things construction and building new stores and it

724
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:39.960
was a huge push to get these locations open. It

725
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:43.119
always smelled the same, the same mall had every single

726
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:46.039
of the same retailer. It all smelled like cinnabon.

727
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:48.039
I mean, not there's anything wrong with.

728
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:50.960
That, but I had no desire to be in the

729
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:54.800
mall ever after that. Yeh, career was going full boogie,

730
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:56.559
and I know I was going to ask you because

731
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:58.199
I don't go to a mall. I never if I

732
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:00.679
unless I have to, there's no reason to go to

733
00:38:00.719 --> 00:38:01.119
them all.

734
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:04.719
The last time one was I took my mom. We

735
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:07.159
went to lunch at Hillsdale. They had a dim some

736
00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:09.840
place in that open courtyard, so when they're for lunch,

737
00:38:09.840 --> 00:38:12.480
and that was it. When I went to Stonestown, it

738
00:38:12.519 --> 00:38:17.239
was to go see they re released Jaws because it

739
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:22.039
was the fiftieth anniversary, but they did it in three

740
00:38:22.119 --> 00:38:26.719
D and four D X, so they gave you the

741
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:28.639
three D glasses, right, so of course you see that

742
00:38:28.719 --> 00:38:31.599
whole thing, but the four D X has never been

743
00:38:31.639 --> 00:38:37.239
to and I won't not do again. They have the

744
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:41.840
seats in groups of four. I mean there's various rows

745
00:38:41.880 --> 00:38:44.719
and aisles of chairs, but every there's a chunk of

746
00:38:44.719 --> 00:38:49.079
four seats. And what happens is there's a device on

747
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.920
that causes the chairs to move, so you're not only

748
00:38:54.039 --> 00:38:56.079
seeing it in three D, but you're feeling it. So

749
00:38:56.719 --> 00:38:59.599
in Jaws, like we're on the boat, then the chairs

750
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:02.559
starting moving like you're in the water, right, and then

751
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:07.679
when the shark approaches the boat and everything turns into frenzy.

752
00:39:07.840 --> 00:39:11.639
It's like very chaotic and God forbid have I should

753
00:39:11.679 --> 00:39:13.880
have my martini there because it would go all over

754
00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:17.159
I wouldn't get any anything to drink. I did not

755
00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:19.920
like that feature because you never knew what was coming.

756
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.719
And in addition to the chairs jerking and moving all

757
00:39:23.920 --> 00:39:27.639
every which way because you're in the water, the chair

758
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:29.880
in front of you had a little sprayer, so then

759
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:31.360
he would spray the water at you.

760
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:32.400
Are you kidding me?

761
00:39:32.800 --> 00:39:35.599
Or if it was like if it was wind from

762
00:39:35.599 --> 00:39:38.360
the back of the seat, this, you know, thrust of

763
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:41.280
wind would come right at you. So you're like dodging

764
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:46.960
moving chairs, water and air and holding on to dear life.

765
00:39:47.199 --> 00:39:49.119
Sounds like we needs to go to happy hour.

766
00:39:49.639 --> 00:39:51.599
Right I'd rather do that in a bar where I

767
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:52.639
can still stay.

768
00:39:52.719 --> 00:39:55.840
Here's the thing. The kids want that experience right now.

769
00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:00.920
So that's the way people want to experience right. Movies. Yeah,

770
00:40:00.960 --> 00:40:02.679
that's great. Do you pay a lot more for for

771
00:40:02.920 --> 00:40:03.400
d X?

772
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:06.039
We paid a lot.

773
00:40:06.119 --> 00:40:08.599
I want to Oh, I forget what it was like

774
00:40:08.719 --> 00:40:10.400
thirty I think it's like thirty.

775
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:13.119
Dollars what Oh my gosh.

776
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:14.800
Well, if you think about I mean just going to

777
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:20.039
the movie right now, it's got to be sixteen eighteen dollars.

778
00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:20.199
By popcorn and a coke.

779
00:40:20.280 --> 00:40:22.199
You're out of luck, right, I didn't. Well, we had

780
00:40:22.199 --> 00:40:23.880
dinner before and so I did. We didn't buy any food.

781
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:26.800
But you know you're gonna pay more for three D

782
00:40:26.920 --> 00:40:28.599
and then it's forty X. Well, you know you're paying

783
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:30.320
for the ride and the you gotta pay for the

784
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:35.719
water and the wind that's shot at you. So yeah,

785
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:37.280
just a word of warning if you're gonna go see

786
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:37.639
a movie.

787
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:39.559
If they say three D, you know, if you want

788
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:40.800
to do that, fine, they.

789
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:46.800
Say for d X run I'm over sixty.

790
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:47.559
I can't do that.

791
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:51.599
I'll remember there was a skit on Cabernet where Tim

792
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:53.719
Conway was in the economy section of the plane and

793
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:55.320
she was a flight attendant.

794
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:55.639
Yeah.

795
00:40:55.760 --> 00:40:57.599
I was doing like this the whole time, and right

796
00:40:57.800 --> 00:40:59.400
because he cheap was.

797
00:40:59.360 --> 00:41:05.599
The movie theater watching Jaws. Wow, oh my goodness. So

798
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:07.239
that's the reasons why I go to.

799
00:41:07.199 --> 00:41:12.119
The mall to be thrust around and squirted and winded on.

800
00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:13.880
I have to find somewhere else that you have that done.

801
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:20.800
Let's not do that so any other fall or.

802
00:41:24.119 --> 00:41:26.440
We'll get to fall all all later. I think what

803
00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:32.119
I'm looking forward to is our Lola Fallana Palooza season

804
00:41:32.320 --> 00:41:33.400
coming our way because we've.

805
00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:35.840
Got some more Well, we talked about doing a holiday one,

806
00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:38.239
so but we'll have to call that something else, right.

807
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:41.280
Oh yeah, Well, well we're going to use these next

808
00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:44.840
few episodes to be part of the fall season, the

809
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:49.760
fall Fallana Palooza season, and then we'll morph into the

810
00:41:49.800 --> 00:41:52.679
holiday season. Of course, we have to have Halloween, right,

811
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:53.360
that's coming.

812
00:41:53.599 --> 00:41:54.920
That's right, Halloween's coming.

813
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:56.559
Do you know even do you have any idea which

814
00:41:56.559 --> 00:41:59.440
of your your fourteen costumes you're gonna unearth? Are you

815
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:00.400
just going to do on tag?

816
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:03.079
No? Could I do like a mashup?

817
00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:06.639
That would be fun to see because you've got quite

818
00:42:06.639 --> 00:42:11.079
a few I do. Oh my gosh, you need to

819
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:13.280
think of a name for that. I'll let you. I'll

820
00:42:13.320 --> 00:42:14.719
let you ponder that our Marinada.

821
00:42:15.360 --> 00:42:18.519
And then we have other guests coming. Oh yes, some

822
00:42:18.599 --> 00:42:20.920
we've already recorded, some we have yet to record.

823
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:23.039
Are booked solid baby.

824
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:23.519
Yeah.

825
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:25.400
So through the end of the year we're good, and

826
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:29.679
then whatever doesn't air, we will uh add on in

827
00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:33.559
the new year for our upcoming season three.

828
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:36.440
Yes, crazy is and I might pull one out of

829
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:38.239
the vault. That's what he.

830
00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:41.480
Said, don you and your clumsy words.

831
00:42:42.599 --> 00:42:44.599
Well, we do have a couple of vault segments I

832
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:47.280
haven't unleashed yet, so we'll see. But I really want

833
00:42:47.320 --> 00:42:48.719
to get this one out. I think we should get

834
00:42:48.719 --> 00:42:51.880
this one out because it's it's very uh time of

835
00:42:51.920 --> 00:42:52.760
the year. Timely.

836
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:57.400
Thank you for the So I think we're ready to

837
00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:01.840
wrap up about what do you want to close it out?

838
00:43:02.119 --> 00:43:05.119
Okay, yeah, sure, okay, I'll close it out. Thank you

839
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:07.199
for joining us on Don and Gary Doing Sixty. You

840
00:43:07.239 --> 00:43:10.280
can find us on Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can

841
00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:13.800
watch us on YouTube at the five for pod don't

842
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:18.519
forget to go to our website on Don't forget to

843
00:43:18.519 --> 00:43:24.400
go to our website on pod page we'll play. Put

844
00:43:24.440 --> 00:43:28.400
the links into our notes below. You can also see

845
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:31.639
us on Instagram and on Facebook and on Blue Sky.

846
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:33.960
As Gary said at the beginning, and Gary, where can

847
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:34.599
people reach us?

848
00:43:34.599 --> 00:43:38.000
If they want to email, they can email us at

849
00:43:38.159 --> 00:43:42.719
Don and Gary Doing sixty at gmail dot com.

850
00:43:42.719 --> 00:43:45.079
Okay, so thank you for joining us at Down and

851
00:43:45.079 --> 00:43:48.159
Gary Doing sixty. Tune in next time as we take

852
00:43:48.199 --> 00:43:54.360
an IQ test and the results come back negative, NOD

853
00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:57.519
or bad, I don't know, Okay, I'll tell you later

854
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:00.320
after they figure it out all right, Well, have a

855
00:44:00.360 --> 00:44:07.280
good weekend the Westpite. Okay, yessulator, Okay, bye bye mm

856
00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:07.519
hmm