Sept. 7, 2025

S2E13 "Ain't Nobody Got Time For That"-Special Guests Kevin Carter & Joe Andrews

S2E13 "Ain't Nobody Got Time For That"-Special Guests Kevin Carter & Joe Andrews

🎙️ Don & Gary Doin’ 60 – “Ain’t Nobody Got Time For That” 🌟 Featuring Special Guests Kevin Carter & Birthday Boy Joe Andrews 🎉 In a world where birthdays come faster, joints creak louder, and nobody remembers why they walked into the kitchen…...

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Season 2

🎙️ Don & Gary Doin’ 60 – “Ain’t Nobody Got Time For That”
🌟 Featuring Special Guests Kevin Carter & Birthday Boy Joe Andrews 🎉
In a world where birthdays come faster, joints creak louder, and nobody remembers why they walked into the kitchen…
Two men dare to ask:
“Is this reinvention… or just indigestion?”

Join Don, Gary, and their brave companions Kevin and Joe (who just leveled up in age and back pain) as they explore life after 60, the secrets of staying relevant, and somehow — against all logic — fall down a rabbit hole of 1970s actress nostalgia featuring Joyce Bulifant, Joanne Pflug, and Fannie Flagg. (No, we don’t know why either. Just go with it.)

Coming soon to a pair of bifocals near you.
Rated PG for “Please God, let me remember what I was saying.”

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Oh, hi us on nails. Hi, good morning to you. Well,

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good morning to you. And it's a pleasant day. And

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our hairs are looking fabulous, our eyeglasses are looking great.

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Some of our jewelry looking good.

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Oh I'm not wearing any jewelry.

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I'm sorry. Well that's okay.

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Well, and we are we are sorry.

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Welcome to Don and Gary Doing sixty. We are here

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to unwrap, unpack, and navigate the world at this age.

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Well done, very well choreographed. You can find us on

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Apple Podcasts and Spotify. You can find us on Facebook

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and Instagram, and I'm Blue Sky and of course you

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can see us and get all of this and all

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of that, or whichever way you're gonna my fear is

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gonna point at you. Gary on YouTube on five for

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pod Don and Gary Doing sixty. So please join us,

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Gary Wells can they email us?

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Email us at Don and Gary Doing sixty at gmail

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dot com. Don't laugh at me again, that's Don and

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Gary doowin sixty at gmail dot com.

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And most importantly, our new website, sponsored by pod page,

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is actually a great resource for actually leaving us emails.

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You can lease voicemails, which I'm going to share with

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you later. We're gonna do a little tutorial, maybe a

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couple episodes down the line, to show you boomers how

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it's done, because I have a feeling somehow technology is

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not wrapping its level around you and maybe you need

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little guidance on how to press subscribe. But anyway, so

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how's what's going on? What are you doing?

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No, ash, I mentioned the Germany trip. That's about me.

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But in other news, yes, did you hear her chattering?

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Is the end of an era? The Sex and the

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City sequel, if you will, And just like that has

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announced that this third season there and now is their

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final season no more Carrie Bradshaw and friends.

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I just heard about that, actually, so yeah.

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They just announced it yesterday. Now, I watched the original

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Sex in the City and the two movies, but this

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new reincarnation and just like that series is on Max

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and I don't have that, so I've never seen an episode,

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although i've you know, YouTube has a lot of clips,

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so I do see a lot of clips. But then

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on social media, I read a lot of the comments

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and there's you know, the gamut from we love the show,

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we love the characters, I love with it, and the

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vitriol of the people who are hating this show. Some

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haters out there for various reasons. The two main ones

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are that Samantha's not on this series, and it's like, well,

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that was her choice, and you know, they worked around that.

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But also in the beginning, it was look how old

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they look. It's like, well, they're in theirties. When you

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saw the you know, the original series, they're in their thirties.

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Of course everyone's going to age, and they're embracing it.

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The characters are not the audience. A lot of the

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audience just turned on them. But anyway, so yeah, no more,

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no more.

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Well, I just made a comment because that's somebody I follow.

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H Allen Scott, who's on another podcast and actually does

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some different things in the media, had mentioned that, you know,

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why do we have to put up with He's a

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big lover of Sarah Gisca Parker and the series, and

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he was commenting on the cancelation of it and said, well,

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why do we keep going on with horrible shows? And

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I mentioned in our comments mid Century Modern, which was like,

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I think that's team again picked up for a second

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season and it is horrible, horrible, and I'm sure we'll

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get haters for saying that too, But oh my god, horrible,

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can't stand it?

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Right?

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So shall I try my joke on you? Or did

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you have another sho?

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Oh no, no please? Okay, I'm sorry. Actually we're going to

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start with that so much.

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That's okay? Well actually real quick, Well you know what,

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maybe we should hold the joke for the guy so

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I can share it with them. So what are we

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doing today? What are we talking about? Who are we talking?

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So we have not one guest, but two. Both are

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gentlemen who we know from high school. They are graduated

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the year after us. One is in southern California, one

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is in Minneapolis.

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YEP.

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I keep in touch with one of them on Facebook,

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but I've not seen either one of them in years,

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so we reached out. We will hear their stories where

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they're at, life wise, career wise, and anything else wise

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they want to tell us.

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Hopefully they are wise. They're actually very funny. They fun

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talking with them, and they're actually waiting to come in.

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them and ask them the same questions. So apparently I'm

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gonna let them both in. Let me just let them both.

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In Release the Hounds.

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Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the stage, Joe, Anne Flug

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and Fanny Flag.

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Your three names are known to TV stage maybe movies.

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Mine is a character from the Mike Myers.

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Movies where he was the Austin Powers.

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Austin Powers.

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That's why I know.

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That's so.

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I'm Italian today. My name is a lot of vagina. Yes,

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and you are well, I'm a lot of something.

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I used to think you are what you eat, but

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I'm not so sure.

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Any I've never had a china. Oh my goodness, I'm

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already sweat.

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We just you guys, welcome to the podcast. We're so

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glad you hear. Actually, Joe Andrews and Kevin Carter are

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joining us today. We're just gonna go by these pseudonyms

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today for a while, because they just work for us.

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I think for all of us.

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I should.

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I had a Pamela Sue Martin poster in my and

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I finally got rid of it because I was falling apart,

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but it was up well.

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I struggled with Barbara Belgetti's Joan van Arc, Charlene Tilton

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or Pamela Sue Martin.

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Was she Nancy Drew, Yes, and Fallon and Fallon On Dynasty.

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And for the children listening, that was a series many

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many years ago.

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Before they rebooted it. They did, did they which? And

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I didn't watch it because I'm like, nope, nope.

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Okay, guys, So before we get into this, we're gonna

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talk about some stuff, but we wanted to like share

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some history with you. But I have a question I

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asked Gary before we started to Now, do any of

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you listen to audio books?

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Yes?

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A lot, a lot.

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Now that I have a commute, I do a little

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bit more.

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Okay, do you consider listening to an audio book?

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Same as well, let me finish the question. Guess no,

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so you don't. But the reason why I ask is

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do you retain as much from reading it as you

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do from listening to it?

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No? No, I mean I retained less from listening than

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I do from reading it. Don't. There isn't a good

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sort of streamlined way to say, oh, I read a

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new book if you've got an audio book, But I

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don't think it's the same as reading. And so I

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always say something like, oh I read this great book. Well,

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I listened to it, and I wish there was a

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better way to do that, but I don't consider them

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the same. You're using different parts of your brain.

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I think it also depends on how you learn because

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I'm more visual than audio. But my husband is more

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audio suit he and he has dyslexias. Audio is the

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way to go for him, and he can like listen

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to it on like one and a half or one

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in zero point seventy five speed and get it all.

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But I only do when I do audiobooks. I just

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do nonfiction, so there's not like a plot to follow

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because I'm doing it as I'm driving, So like if

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I like drift off for a second, I just have

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missed some facts.

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But not a plot.

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So I am doing a I'm sorry you no, no, please, okay.

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So I am my favorite college English professor, and I

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was an English major. She was a Victorian, so she

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did end on Edwardigan, so she did Jane Austen. It

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was really the first Jane Austin I had read, which

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was Persuasion. And then you know, I've read some warre

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and of course we've all seen, you know, wonderful sense

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and sensibility, and we've probably seen pride and prejudiced at

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least five times in some different form, and I she

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is leading an alumni tour. So I'm going with some

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friends of mine early September to England. And so we

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started Windsor Castle and we then go to Jane Austen's

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you know, home where she wrote, and then we go

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to both and spend you know, several days, and we

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you know.

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Do all of this in costume.

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I wish we were doing it in costume. I do

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think there is a place near Jane Austen's home where

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you can dress up and have photos taken. But I

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was reading for the first time some of Jane Austen's books. Yeah. Well,

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and again when I say reading, I mean audiobooks. So

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I did Northanger Abby, like, who has read that? It's

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you know, it was her first, and then I moved

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on to Sense and Sensibility and I was doing it chronologically.

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So the next is Mansfield Park. And the reason I

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bring this up is I was listening to it on

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audiobook and Juliette Stevenson was the narrator. Amazing. But I

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listened to the first chapter four times and I could

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not get it because there were so many families and

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relationships and so forth on. Okay, I just need to

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I need to read this one, or at least read

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the first few chapters, because it's not the kind of

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book you can go on a walk and listen to

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or listen to the car and be able to get everything.

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And that's when I realized, yeah, I probably only get

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about seventy percent of what I'm listening to in an audiobook.

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And so that's my story and as a follow along one, Yeah,

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I'll tell it again at bedtime, but then it's it's

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off to bed.

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You're only you have worked about two hours, right, okay.

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But that the first day of that tour is on

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my fifth birthday, September fourth, So all bringing it back

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to the podcast.

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So you're not really sixty yet? So why are you here?

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And who I am? In my I am in my

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sixtieth year?

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All right? Fine? So was she on the Masked Singer

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or Dancing with the Star?

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Is?

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I don't remember?

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Drag Race?

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Oh? Drag Race right? Is a guest judge. So listen

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back to my original then we'll get we'll dive into it.

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But the reason why I was asking this because I

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started listening to audiobooks. I just finished Martin Schwortz's book,

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which is excellent. He actually narrated that.

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I will say like autobiographies by the person, yes are

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an exception to that one.

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And Steve Martin was just done. He actually had someone

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interviewing him. Very fascinating. But I'm now reading. I'm just

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gonna say reading listening to I think it's called Big

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Hands or Fancy Pants by Tina Fey. And the only

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reason why I asked this question, I sorry for bossy pants.

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Thank you, but I'm horrible with jokes. I can never

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remember jokes. But she was delivering them one after the other,

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and I actually remembered when I wanted to try it

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on you. So it's very fast. It's a very quick one.

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So it's basically two peanuts were walking down the road.

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Guess what happened?

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What happened?

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I don't know.

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One was assaulted.

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Nice we have answered that dad joke.

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Is that a dad joke? I guess it is. But

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it's like, that's a funny Joe.

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But did you have that on a post it?

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I do have it on a post It was a

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flash of yellow go by this screen.

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No, no, I don't know what you're talking about.

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That's that's one of those jokes that used to be

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like on Dixie Cups. Do you remember?

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Yes, yeah.

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So anyway, guys, so sorry to make us go through that,

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but thank you for the stories and everything. So I

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guess we could just jump in and Gary, if it's

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okay with you, maybe we should talk about how we

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all know each other. Would that be good?

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You guys can start is the common denominator?

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Yes, high school? That would be on high school? Yes,

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much much older. Well I don't know much much, but

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Joe was much much younger and I was right in

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the middle.

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Oh, so you.

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Two did not graduate the same year.

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You were two, two years or three.

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Years and I are a class of eighty and I'm

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and you're eighty one?

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Were you eighty three or eighty four?

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Joke?

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Eighty three?

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Okay, okay, So he's much younger than us.

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But his sister Kate was in my class and was

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my brother.

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My brother Dave was, I guess since class of seventy

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years of nine, eight eight nine.

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He was a senior when I was a freshman.

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And I have to say, one of the things that

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prompted me to reach out to the two of you

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was because Joe, you had actually posted something about one

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of the productions one hundred and fifty years ago that

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I was in with Dave Yep, Yes, the Fantastics, And

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it was a horrible picture of me, I wonderful picture

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of your brother, although I can't believe taking so what this?

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What is? What's struck me? And said, oh gosh, we've

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got to get these two on. And I didn't know.

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And the two of you kind of were in cahoots

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together because you said I'll do it if he does it,

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and you said I'll do it if he does it.

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So I don't know how we lucked out. We've got

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the two of you in there.

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So very so down by bringing up the picture of

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you from years ago? Is that your your reason for

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asking Joan so he can apologize.

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For It's not a terrible picture. It was it was

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cut to the tape, cut to the tape? Can we

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get can we get it on camera three? Can we

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got Yeah? Jared, have you got this?

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You know?

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I saw, I think my first experience seeing you, Donnie

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and Kevin. I don't know if you were in this

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production or not, but in eighth grade, I came up

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from Burrell with some friends like Lendimia Harra, and we

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saw Godspell at Aragon.

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I was not Jesus like some of us were, had

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a small solo.

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I was completely transfixed and went out and got the

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piano music and I can still play turned back old

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Man from memory, Old Man, Old Man. And then gosh,

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that was it. The next year was fantastics or no,

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probably the same year.

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I think it was a reverse. I don't remember. It

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was too long ago.

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Maybe I think it was the year before. I think

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it was the year before.

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So well was Alan Christ? Oh God, Alan Christ? And

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then John rec fairtig Yes, yes, who I just looked

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up and is still around.

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Fanny. We're losing you, just so you know your shop

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there you are. We lost a powateate part of your head.

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We don't want to be a head you yet clashing down.

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So anyway, I just I didn't mean to dredge that up,

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but I was talking. I wanted to talk about how

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we had that common denominator too.

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But and Donnie, I will say this, Donnie was the

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person who inspired me in the late seventies to feather

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my hair.

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Well, I'm sure the dates are wrong, because that couldn't

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have been me. I wasn't born until nineteen eighty seven,

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so I'm sure that that had nothing to do with

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your choices and hair fashions.

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Cut to the film.

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I'm pretty sure that every woman slash girl on your

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Wall Joanne had feathered hair, including Farah.

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But but.

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I couldn't model my hair my hair on them, and

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I needed a male, a male feather model.

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Well there wasn Cassidy, Parker Stevens, Lisa.

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I kind of had Parker Stevenson because it was very

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I had very full hair back then.

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Anyway, now that we've gone down that memory, Lee, maybe

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we can go back to the podcast.

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Well, I don't know podcast because I really didn't get

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to know you guys. And there I was at the

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resource Center. Do you remember the resource Center? Yes, yes,

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with missus.

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Hickey, Missus Hickey and we're going.

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There in the morning. And it was Lisa Piquette, Lisa

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Schmecktley and Jane Anderson and you guys. I thought you

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were all just the best. I felt I felt like

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I found my tribe, and it was very exciting to

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kind of be welcomed in and to listen to you

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all banter and be so clever. It was really terrific.

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Eric Circle, Eric.

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Shriff, Yeah, yeah, we're pulling all the names out.

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Yeah, and here they are now.

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I still see like behind.

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Us as a rock catline is all the people you

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just mentioned go to the videotape.

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I still regularly see like the whole like Airshair branch

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here and all.

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Okay, guys, so let's talk about what's going on now.

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So we're almost all almost all of us except for

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Fanny Flagger, in the same club right now. So maybe

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you could tell us how life is going, because one

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of the things we'd like to dive into is seeing

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how you're doing, seeing how life is progressed. I know

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you all have a bunch of new interests that are

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taking place in your lives. You have done some reinvention.

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So who wants to go first?

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Not Gary, I'll talk about my reinvention, yes please you.

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So it happened just about a year ago. I had

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been working.

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At Paramount Pictures, an office job for like almost ten years.

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I got laid off in January of twenty four. But

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I was on the job market and you know, getting

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initial interviews, but not a lot of bites. Seven months

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rolled around or well, like maybe like five or six,

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and I started being like, hmm, maybe I asked the

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good old question, like if money weren't an issue, what

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would you do? And I had after college. I had

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taught music directed and taught a class at San Mateo

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High School where we grew up, and I really really

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loved doing that, and I'd done some of that here

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and there after I moved to New York and stuff,

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but I hadn't done it for decades, and so I

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was like, no, what, let me just put some feelers out,

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and I put some I put a thing on Facebook.

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I think, you know, if anybody I'm looking into doing this,

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if anybody has any connections, and lots of people reached out,

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a lot of people that I knew from the past

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but didn't know that they were now drama teachers or

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somehow involved in education, and everybody was like super helpful.

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And then I think it was like in July someone

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when I after college, I lived in the Hate and

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we had the long story, but we had this group

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of like high school kids from the East Bay that

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would come and hang out with us on the weekends.

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And one of one of them now is a tech

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theater teacher over in the East band. He's like, well,

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the drama teacher moved down to LA a couple of

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years ago, and I think he's looking for a music director.

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So he connected us and we talked, and we met

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for coffee, and he offered me a job and I'm like, well,

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you know, that's like two periods, you know, four days

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a week, so that's does not pay the mortgage. So

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it was earlier in the summer, so I still had time.

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And then I talked to someone who had been in

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some readings of a musical I had written in New

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York and he was out here now and he I

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didn't realize, but he was teaching theater at USC and

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so he was talking to me and he's like, hey,

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do you know California School of the Arts And I

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was like rings a tiny bells, like I don't know

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one there. So he connected us an email. I reached

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that person connected me to the head of the theater department.

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I talked to him the next day. Offered me a

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class to teach, and I was like, that's great, but

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I have a mortgage, and he's like, hold on, and

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so we offered also accompanying to audition classes and the

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possibility of other things throughout the year, and that they

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would pay to get credited, not like regular teacher credential,

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but it's called CT which his career Technical Educations. I'm

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almost done, and I can teach in arts, entertainment and media.

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So it's not like I couldn't go and be a

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sub at a school, but I can teach in that area.

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And so I started last fall, and it was because

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the last time I had taught, I was not much

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older than the high school kids, and now I'm a

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little bit older than the high school kids, even though

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I think that sometimes people might mistake.

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Me for a senior walking for your campus.

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But let me ask you a quick question, Kevin. So,

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while you were going on the journey towards getting this

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new job that you just started, did you feel or

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experience or felt that you had any forms of agism

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towards you? When you were filling out applications having your interviews,

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do you feel like you were dismissed or were you

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even considered for jobs? Because I know they asked for

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ages or college degrees, or college dates or high school dates.

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Well, first, you don't have to put your education dates.

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I think you can put it down if it was

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like in the last five years, but otherwise you don't

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have to put that down and they can't ask yourate.

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But I appear on the zoom video looking like this

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and not like a twenty year old and for the

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and it was I mean, my day job experience for

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decades was admin and executive assistant stuff. So I'm sure

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there was a lot of like, why is this old

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guy still an admin?

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What's wrong?

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But I mean there were enough people that got it.

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And also when I got dismissed at Paramount, I had

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there been a shuffling around, and I was in a

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new group and everybody was maybe older twenties, younger thirties,

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and my manager was probably mid thirties and the first

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time having like a manager who was nowhere near my age,

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so that I think that factored in there, and I

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was trying. I talked to a lawyer when I got

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let go about like ken Art, and there was nothing overt,

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but I definitely nothing outright in the job search, but

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I definitely felt aware of my age and the kind

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of jobs I was applying for. Whereas as a drama teacher,

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having like a white beard is a plus.

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Now you're like, he knows what's going on.

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Experience.

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It's Kevin's white beard, right.

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It is actually good call. Do you feel, Kevin, like

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this is the job you've always wanted.

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Yeah, Like I I my husband Jay came to see

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there's a show at each high school in the spring

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and there's a day that he could go see both

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of them, and he was like, He's like, I always

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knew this was the right thing for you, but like

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actually seeing you in the environment and seeing you with

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the kids and seeing the kids around you, he goes,

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I totally, I totally get it.

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Now we all know theater kids, high school theater kids.

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And it also makes me feel a hell of a

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lot younger hanging around them and being accepted because I thought,

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you know, I'm so much older now, it's going to

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be a different vibe.

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But it's not really that different.

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And I'm like, my picture appeared twice during the school

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year on my classes group chat and they were like,

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mister Carter, that's two times more than any other teacher

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at this school.

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And so I felt very good about that. And like

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the last day.

479
00:22:56.079 --> 00:22:59.079
Of school at one school, like I had a literal

480
00:22:59.119 --> 00:22:59.680
line of.

481
00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:01.480
Kids waited to take their picture with me.

482
00:23:02.160 --> 00:23:04.720
And at the other school, I would have, like the

483
00:23:04.799 --> 00:23:07.279
last week, I would have like a stack of yearbooks

484
00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:10.039
next to me waiting waiting for me to sign them.

485
00:23:10.119 --> 00:23:12.359
I'm like, I hardly ever asked teachers. I've only asked

486
00:23:12.359 --> 00:23:14.039
the really cool teachers in high school.

487
00:23:14.200 --> 00:23:17.240
But you're bringing your experience as a theater kid yourself

488
00:23:17.279 --> 00:23:19.000
to all the things that the and what's the age

489
00:23:19.000 --> 00:23:19.319
group that.

490
00:23:19.319 --> 00:23:20.480
You're high school? High school?

491
00:23:20.559 --> 00:23:22.839
High school? Okay, so you definitely can relate to them

492
00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:25.480
and bring all of your own experience.

493
00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:27.839
And that getting drawn in or like the drama and

494
00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:32.279
the boyfriends and the girlfriends and crushes, which makes me

495
00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:33.240
feel happy.

496
00:23:33.359 --> 00:23:35.119
That says a lot about you too. I mean you

497
00:23:35.160 --> 00:23:37.880
probably give off a vibe of, you know, your passion

498
00:23:37.920 --> 00:23:41.000
and your love for the subject matter. Yeah, so they

499
00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:41.880
kind of take that in.

500
00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:43.720
Yeah. So I'm excited to go back.

501
00:23:43.960 --> 00:23:47.000
I start back on Monday, but the kids are the

502
00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:50.200
following week or two weeks. And I'm excited because I

503
00:23:50.200 --> 00:23:52.880
remember when I started last year the first day, like

504
00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:54.880
seeing all the kids coming up to the teachers and

505
00:23:54.880 --> 00:23:57.200
like hugging them and talking about their summers and stuff,

506
00:23:57.240 --> 00:23:59.720
and I'm like, oh, this is really nice, and I'm like,

507
00:24:00.200 --> 00:24:02.880
today that will be me because they're looking at me like, oh,

508
00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:05.279
who's the who's the new There's another teacher that looks

509
00:24:05.400 --> 00:24:07.920
very much like this, so they're.

510
00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:09.880
Like, oh, we thought you were we thought you were

511
00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:12.359
mister Gilmore because you know, in another.

512
00:24:12.359 --> 00:24:17.519
Balding, white hair, white guy so much so the Halloween

513
00:24:17.559 --> 00:24:19.640
we went dressed as each other to school.

514
00:24:19.680 --> 00:24:22.920
It's interesting adversity kind of threw you into and fade.

515
00:24:22.960 --> 00:24:25.319
I guess put you into a role that you truly are.

516
00:24:25.519 --> 00:24:27.119
I'm assuming loving right now.

517
00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:30.400
Too, right, yeah, And the only the only downside at

518
00:24:30.440 --> 00:24:33.160
the moment is that they are both part time gigs.

519
00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:37.640
So even though they pay more per hour, I have

520
00:24:37.880 --> 00:24:39.000
like half the hours.

521
00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:40.079
So I'm struggling.

522
00:24:40.799 --> 00:24:44.400
I'm dipping into my savings a lot, but hopefully I

523
00:24:44.440 --> 00:24:46.759
will after this year, I will be able to get

524
00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:49.400
something full time with benefits and stuff, and then.

525
00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:52.200
You never know, that could turn into a community theater direct.

526
00:24:52.240 --> 00:24:53.880
There's all kinds of things now that are opening up

527
00:24:53.880 --> 00:24:54.279
a door.

528
00:24:54.160 --> 00:24:57.079
For you with these credits that you're ruling, because yeah,

529
00:24:57.119 --> 00:25:00.200
and just to have credits that are from this century

530
00:25:00.680 --> 00:25:04.559
and also references from this century, because my one reference

531
00:25:04.599 --> 00:25:08.000
really from San Mateo High. If we all remember roy

532
00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:13.359
k Stevens at oh oh wow, dubious who ended up

533
00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:15.880
in jail. We want to go into the reasons.

534
00:25:16.359 --> 00:25:17.519
So yeah, maybe not.

535
00:25:17.599 --> 00:25:19.039
I can't credit.

536
00:25:19.119 --> 00:25:21.599
I couldn't use him as a as a reference. So

537
00:25:21.680 --> 00:25:24.799
that was like all of my high school work was

538
00:25:24.799 --> 00:25:26.559
with the person that I can't use as a reference.

539
00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:28.240
Well, congratulations on that though.

540
00:25:28.880 --> 00:25:30.279
That's great, Kevin.

541
00:25:30.400 --> 00:25:33.519
Yeah, it's okay, Joe Europe, tell us what's been going

542
00:25:33.519 --> 00:25:34.000
on with you?

543
00:25:34.039 --> 00:25:34.160
Now?

544
00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:36.119
You would mention and I'll let you share that with us,

545
00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:38.519
But what's what's your current Sitch, what's going on?

546
00:25:39.039 --> 00:25:41.000
I'm going to I'm going to take a step back

547
00:25:41.039 --> 00:25:48.400
in time, if that's okay. So my career started, you know,

548
00:25:48.680 --> 00:25:51.720
kind of. It was one of those serendipitous things where

549
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:57.400
I graduated from college, I moved back to saw English

550
00:25:57.640 --> 00:26:00.519
with a lot of with a lot of music, and

551
00:26:00.559 --> 00:26:04.079
then I just had no idea what to do, and

552
00:26:04.119 --> 00:26:07.079
so I moved back home, thinking it would just it

553
00:26:07.119 --> 00:26:09.400
would be like it was in high school, and of

554
00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:12.000
course there was no one there and it wasn't the same.

555
00:26:12.079 --> 00:26:14.839
In fact, it was sort of sad that there was

556
00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:16.920
no one there. And I thought, why did I move

557
00:26:17.119 --> 00:26:20.319
back here to this place that's so expensive when all

558
00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:24.519
of my college buddies are in uptown Minneapolis, you know where,

559
00:26:24.720 --> 00:26:28.319
you know, that's where Prince was happening and Janet Jackson

560
00:26:28.440 --> 00:26:30.960
was doing her thing, And so I moved back here

561
00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:33.599
and I was a Kelly girl. Does that mean anything

562
00:26:33.640 --> 00:26:33.920
to you.

563
00:26:34.160 --> 00:26:37.000
To some people, to some boomers, I'm sure that you

564
00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:38.599
remember what that reference is.

565
00:26:38.640 --> 00:26:41.960
Yeah, nearly a Kelly girl like you worked for that

566
00:26:42.079 --> 00:26:44.599
company or yes, that's okay.

567
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:49.839
It was Kelly Services. And they landed me in a

568
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:54.640
marketing in marketing as an executive assistant and at Pillsbury.

569
00:26:54.799 --> 00:27:00.599
And I was there, you know, like three days and

570
00:27:01.039 --> 00:27:04.119
everyone I was reporting to, all these marketing folks who

571
00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:07.920
did you know, Hungry Jack biscuits and toasters strudel and

572
00:27:08.039 --> 00:27:12.640
Hungry Jack potatoes and all those good things. They're like, oh,

573
00:27:12.720 --> 00:27:16.480
you can write, and you're willing to stay late, and

574
00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:19.400
you know, I'm a total people pleaser. So I was

575
00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:22.680
just like, yeah, give me, give me the overtime. I'm

576
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:24.880
happy to be here. And then I started working weekends

577
00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:28.079
because they were busy and needed help putting presentations together.

578
00:27:28.240 --> 00:27:31.720
And it just went really well, and that turned into

579
00:27:31.759 --> 00:27:37.240
a job and pr for Pillsbury, which turned into a

580
00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:41.519
job for promotions, where you know, you're doing tie ins

581
00:27:41.559 --> 00:27:44.759
with Disney and all these sorts of things, and then

582
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:49.200
that turned into integrated marketing, just as the Internet was

583
00:27:49.240 --> 00:27:51.880
becoming a thing, you know, everything just it was just

584
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:58.039
miraculously wonderful. And then a new vice president came in

585
00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:02.000
and it was just awful. And so I left, but

586
00:28:02.079 --> 00:28:05.559
not until I had become just really anxious, and I thought,

587
00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:08.119
I'll just take a month off and then I'll go

588
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:11.200
do this other job. Well, I within the first week

589
00:28:11.480 --> 00:28:13.799
of that sort of month that I thought would be

590
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:17.880
super fun, I started having anxiety attacks, which I'd never

591
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:21.079
experienced before, and so I thought I was going crazy.

592
00:28:21.279 --> 00:28:25.880
It was really bad. And so you know, my dear mother,

593
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:29.160
she's like, you you must come home, you must come

594
00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:33.880
to my bossom. And she is at the time, was

595
00:28:34.759 --> 00:28:37.400
living in Canada taking care of her mother. We have

596
00:28:37.599 --> 00:28:39.799
a farm up there, and so I went went there

597
00:28:39.880 --> 00:28:43.359
and anyway, I.

598
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:45.759
Convalized, went up to the farm in Canada.

599
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:50.759
Yeah, and you know, and then there was all sorts

600
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:54.440
of like coming out again, like for the second time.

601
00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:57.920
And because I was engaged to a woman, and so

602
00:28:58.039 --> 00:29:02.519
I had a good step right. Yeah. So I you know,

603
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:04.559
I was really out in high school. But then when

604
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:07.000
I went out to the Midwest, even though it was

605
00:29:08.039 --> 00:29:11.480
a very liberal, liberal arts college, I just I just

606
00:29:11.519 --> 00:29:13.319
couldn't sort of find my footing.

607
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:14.200
You know.

608
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:17.920
I met a woman who was fantastic and we just

609
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:21.799
really jelled and I thought, well, I think I can

610
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:25.119
make this work. And we got engaged and we both

611
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:31.200
graduated and we had the invitations printed and that's when

612
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:33.839
I just sort of fell to pieces and I'm like,

613
00:29:33.880 --> 00:29:36.079
I can't, I can't do this, and so that was

614
00:29:36.160 --> 00:29:39.720
super rough, and so it's sort of all through this period.

615
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:42.759
She's great, She's who I'm going on the Jane Austin tour.

616
00:29:42.839 --> 00:29:48.960
She's my roommate, has a very happy ending. We are

617
00:29:49.160 --> 00:29:55.720
very close. She was very close to you last yesterday, Kevin,

618
00:29:55.799 --> 00:30:01.160
because she was at Jesus Christ Superstar with her daughter.

619
00:30:01.440 --> 00:30:04.000
Some friends went and said it was like one of

620
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:05.680
the most amazing theatrical experiences.

621
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:08.839
Yeah, she said that they were pretty much in tears

622
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:13.039
the whole time. It was just extraordinary. Anyway, So this

623
00:30:13.119 --> 00:30:15.839
is sort of very condensed, but what I learned sort

624
00:30:15.839 --> 00:30:20.480
of starting at age nineteen twenty through sort of twenty

625
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:26.039
five was that I have a propensity towards anxiety, which

626
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.480
sort of gets really great, and then I PLoP into

627
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:33.240
a depression. And you know, twenty five years thirty five

628
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:37.119
years ago, I just feel like I didn't know how

629
00:30:37.119 --> 00:30:40.839
to say those words out loud or to even sort

630
00:30:40.839 --> 00:30:48.160
of understand what was going on. So I was really

631
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:53.759
quite nervous when I had the opportunity to retire because

632
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.720
I thought, oh, this is going to happen again. Where

633
00:30:56.799 --> 00:30:59.920
if I don't have if I'm not so busy throughout

634
00:31:00.119 --> 00:31:03.160
the day that I'd have trouble like finding time to

635
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:06.039
go to the bathroom, which is how work was for

636
00:31:06.119 --> 00:31:10.200
the last sixteen years. What am I going to do?

637
00:31:10.240 --> 00:31:12.880
Am I going to fall apart? And so I fully

638
00:31:13.319 --> 00:31:17.599
intended upon leaving my last position was to go right

639
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:21.279
back to work. And what I found was it was wonderful.

640
00:31:22.440 --> 00:31:23.319
It was what you needed.

641
00:31:23.680 --> 00:31:26.480
Yeah, well, what was wonderful.

642
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:30.799
Not having to come to work in the morning or

643
00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:35.640
actually roll over in bed on your phone and see

644
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:39.559
I've got twenty emails Because it was a global business, right,

645
00:31:39.720 --> 00:31:43.440
so you know you're getting emails from everybody's work day

646
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:48.079
and when yours hasn't even begun. That's and I was

647
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:50.720
in a position where I was I was the vice

648
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:54.559
president of global brand Strategy, so kind of needed to

649
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:57.119
help all of the divisions around the world. It was

650
00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:00.400
just a great job as this I think so often

651
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:02.920
the case, it was a great job until it wasn't,

652
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:05.799
you know, And then you hang on and you stay

653
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:08.640
there for another couple of years and that just wears

654
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:09.599
away at you.

655
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:11.359
So it's like so many things like that.

656
00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:15.680
You kind of normalize this dress and anxiety of work,

657
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:17.759
and you're like, this is normally. You don't realize that

658
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:19.599
it doesn't have to be like that till it's gone.

659
00:32:19.640 --> 00:32:24.000
You're like, right, or that the the old saw about

660
00:32:24.000 --> 00:32:29.279
the frog in the cold water, but it's set to

661
00:32:29.359 --> 00:32:32.799
boil and it's happening, so gradually the frog doesn't notice

662
00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:39.240
until it's dead. And yeah, I I Potter, I take

663
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:45.200
the Dogs on Walks my garden direct show about five

664
00:32:45.279 --> 00:32:52.519
years ago. Wow, and so yeah, and then you know,

665
00:32:52.559 --> 00:32:55.279
you go through those feelings of is you know, can

666
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:57.240
I do this? And then you know, I talked to

667
00:32:57.279 --> 00:33:00.400
my husband and he's still working, and I you get

668
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:03.279
feelings of guilt you know, and you have to sort

669
00:33:03.279 --> 00:33:05.720
through those and there's a lot of talking like is

670
00:33:05.759 --> 00:33:08.559
it okay that I'm doing this? And would you prefer

671
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:11.720
that I put more money in the nest egg? And

672
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:13.920
you have to do a lot of talking to get

673
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:15.720
through all those emotions.

674
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:18.400
Do you because you were at these companies for a

675
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:21.599
long time, you have a nice nest egg or a pension.

676
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:26.680
Yeah. So I was very fortunate at my last job

677
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.759
that I sort of six months after I got there,

678
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:33.559
they changed the whole pension plan. But I entered just

679
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:36.880
at the right time to have what's called a defined

680
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:40.720
benefit a defined pension plan. So the longer you stay there,

681
00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:43.680
the more money you get, not just you know, your

682
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:46.240
four oh one K that's a separate thing. You actually

683
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:49.200
have this other, like nice pot of money that just

684
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:52.920
keeps growing for your years of service. And that's, you know,

685
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:55.880
what the big companies used to do, and I just

686
00:33:55.920 --> 00:34:00.000
don't think they do that anymore. So that was very

687
00:34:00.799 --> 00:34:01.039
like the.

688
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:04.000
Only people that had been there like thirty plus years

689
00:34:04.079 --> 00:34:04.920
or something had attention.

690
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:08.079
Like anybody that started later than thirty years ago.

691
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:10.159
It is a thing of the past. The pensions are

692
00:34:10.199 --> 00:34:14.280
not in anyone's golden parachute anymore unless you're with IBM

693
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:15.920
or some large large or.

694
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:17.920
A CEO of the company or something.

695
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.320
Right, So was it the idea of because it sounded

696
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.400
like a number of things you mentioned, Joe, were that

697
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:29.920
uncertainty caused anxiety and not having structure perhaps, right, I don't.

698
00:34:29.719 --> 00:34:33.159
Know exactly like that, No, that's exactly it. I thought.

699
00:34:33.199 --> 00:34:35.880
The analogy I think of is like I was like

700
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:40.199
a violin string that had been wound really taut and

701
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:43.880
more taught and more taught until it broke. You know.

702
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:46.239
That's what it was like when I left that first

703
00:34:46.320 --> 00:34:50.159
job and had those anxiety attacks. In this case, I

704
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:53.920
learned from that experience and sort of pressed myself for

705
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:58.519
that so that I decompressed more slowly and sort of

706
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:01.639
knew some of the life likely things that would happen

707
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:04.960
if I didn't have sort of anything on the docket.

708
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:07.639
So you know, there were things going on. One of

709
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:12.000
the things that really helped was starting about thirteen years ago,

710
00:35:12.239 --> 00:35:17.280
my husband and I started doing triathlons, and neither of

711
00:35:17.360 --> 00:35:21.199
us could swim other than you know, right, I mean

712
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:23.880
we could swim like we grew up in California, and

713
00:35:23.920 --> 00:35:25.440
you know, you could swim to one end of the

714
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:27.119
pool and the other and blah blah blah as love

715
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:30.320
as your hair didn't get away and you flow, But

716
00:35:30.480 --> 00:35:35.400
to swim continuously like I could do, you know, maybe

717
00:35:36.039 --> 00:35:39.679
three laps and then I was just exhausted, which is

718
00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:44.199
kind of standard if you don't actually know how to swim.

719
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:46.800
So we both, you know, took swimming.

720
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:47.239
The idea?

721
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:47.719
Was it?

722
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:50.079
Who had? Well, that's one of you.

723
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:57.159
Well we I think I suggested we get together during

724
00:35:57.239 --> 00:36:00.360
the holidays. We fly out to Kate's place, my sister.

725
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:03.280
I don't know if you did. You guys know Kate Kate,

726
00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:04.320
Katie Kate.

727
00:36:04.440 --> 00:36:05.199
She was my ear.

728
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:07.960
Yeah, so I know, Kevin, you inquire.

729
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:10.679
Your sister is one of the two women I have

730
00:36:10.800 --> 00:36:12.039
ever gone out on a date with.

731
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:20.079
What we went to we want to see? Did you

732
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:21.159
know that Joe?

733
00:36:21.639 --> 00:36:22.280
I did not.

734
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:23.760
Stop the recording right now.

735
00:36:23.920 --> 00:36:25.360
No, I had like I had a total Well I

736
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:27.639
also had a crush on your brother too, but I

737
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:28.079
didn't go.

738
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:31.400
Out with him. That's that's interesting information.

739
00:36:33.039 --> 00:36:34.159
No worry, nothing's happened.

740
00:36:36.639 --> 00:36:37.400
I can't remember.

741
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:40.719
We got athlete, so wait, triathlelete? So question real quick?

742
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:45.079
Ones are gotting? So before you start triathlete is swimming,

743
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:49.360
running and bike cycling? Correct? And I want to ask

744
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.159
you you didn't do this because of the unitard opportunities

745
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:53.280
for photo off? Did you?

746
00:36:53.559 --> 00:36:55.559
That was a total bonus?

747
00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:56.599
Okay?

748
00:36:56.599 --> 00:36:57.920
Do you do you have to wear a unitar?

749
00:36:58.559 --> 00:37:02.519
I do a flesh color unitart, of course you do, right?

750
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:04.159
Anatomical painting?

751
00:37:04.199 --> 00:37:04.360
Gon?

752
00:37:05.639 --> 00:37:09.559
No, But I was let's see fifteen five, I was

753
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:11.639
eighty pounds heavier.

754
00:37:12.800 --> 00:37:13.079
Wow.

755
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:17.320
Yeah, so I'd gotten to be a big boy. And

756
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:20.800
so I suggested to my brother in law, Kate's husband

757
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:24.519
and Scott, I said, at Thanksgiving this year, and we

758
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:27.719
were going to all come together as a family in

759
00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:29.840
Park City and rent a big house and I'll be

760
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:32.840
there together with the nephews and nieces and so forth.

761
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:37.199
Let's do a mini triathlon. Let's because we had access

762
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:39.679
to all the right stuff to make that happen, and

763
00:37:40.280 --> 00:37:43.960
my and we called it the fat Man Triathlon. And

764
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:47.719
we've been doing it every year since then over the holidays.

765
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:48.559
We have T shirts.

766
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:50.320
Now does the whole family take part?

767
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:52.239
The young and the old all take part?

768
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:52.800
Wow?

769
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.440
And the T shirts have and I forget the exact

770
00:37:55.559 --> 00:38:00.280
Latin phrase, but it's a Latin phrase that translates to

771
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:10.800
angels weep when they see us run. So anyway, we're

772
00:38:10.840 --> 00:38:15.039
doing this and I didn't think to take swimming lessons,

773
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:17.880
but Scott said, oh, I can't. I can't swim, so

774
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:21.480
I have to take swimming lessons. And he tried to

775
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:24.280
do like the think method, where he was reading a

776
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:28.400
book on how to swim, and and after a while

777
00:38:28.440 --> 00:38:31.840
he's like, I can only get so far with this

778
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:33.519
before I'm going to have to get in a pool.

779
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:37.320
So he there was a new guy at the gym

780
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:44.000
named Lance Leo, a total poor man Leo and Lance,

781
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:45.639
I don't know if you remember that one.

782
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:50.719
Yes, oh my god, and let's show the tape.

783
00:38:51.400 --> 00:38:59.159
Relative So he came home when Dan said, so, you know,

784
00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:02.679
I've been taking these swimming lessons and they're super expensive.

785
00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:06.360
And I mentioned that to my swim instructor, who I

786
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:09.639
think is great, and the swim instructor said, well, you

787
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:12.639
should just join the triathlon team because you'll get a

788
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:15.639
swimming lesson baked into it, plus all the other stuff.

789
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:18.400
And so he said, I'm going to I'm joining the

790
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:22.280
triathlon team. And I'm like, well, well then I am.

791
00:39:22.599 --> 00:39:24.320
I'm going to join I'm going to join.

792
00:39:25.320 --> 00:39:27.519
Is that intimidating though, because they're assuming everyone has a

793
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:32.000
different level of experience, and with triathlons, right, so you're

794
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:34.079
coming in there fresh off the boat.

795
00:39:34.159 --> 00:39:39.800
Right yep. And yes, everything about it was intimidating, everything because.

796
00:39:39.599 --> 00:39:41.440
I and they accept like you didn't have to like

797
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:44.880
audition like they took whoever was interesting, right, or did

798
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:46.320
you have to do a.

799
00:39:46.400 --> 00:39:49.079
Monologue every modern manor in general. You could do a

800
00:39:49.079 --> 00:39:52.960
little Gilbert and solivate it for them.

801
00:39:53.199 --> 00:39:56.960
And it was intimidating. And then you get to know

802
00:39:57.079 --> 00:40:00.519
the folks and you're like, I was just terrible, But

803
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:06.000
I also knew the guy lance Leo turned into a

804
00:40:06.280 --> 00:40:08.920
real friend to us. We just went over to his

805
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:12.800
house a month ago for his kids graduation from high school.

806
00:40:13.280 --> 00:40:15.840
We're still buddies, and you know, he was an iron

807
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:17.960
man and was just fit as could be, but also

808
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:20.760
like one of the nicest people. And so we would

809
00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:23.559
go from a spin class like direct into a spin

810
00:40:23.639 --> 00:40:26.960
class directly under the treadmills, and I'm like, I can't,

811
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:30.400
I can't do this, and he said, oh, yeah, you can't.

812
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:33.440
I can't run, and he's like, yeah, you'll just walk

813
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:37.920
I'm like, that's okay, yeah, just just walk and so

814
00:40:38.880 --> 00:40:42.760
it just over time, you just get better and better

815
00:40:42.960 --> 00:40:45.119
at stuff. And you know, I just had a few

816
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:49.519
major AHAs about swimming, and then suddenly I went from

817
00:40:49.559 --> 00:40:51.920
not being able to do you know, two laps to

818
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:55.599
being able to swim. There was no limit because it

819
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:58.679
became if you learn how to do endurance swimming, it's

820
00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:01.840
like walking, you figure out like I don't know how

821
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:05.719
to put it, but it just yeah, it's just totally patient.

822
00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:08.559
But all those weeks, how many weeks and months did

823
00:41:08.559 --> 00:41:11.760
it train? Did you train to finally participate in one?

824
00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:16.519
We probably trained for six months before our first real

825
00:41:16.639 --> 00:41:21.760
triathlon in open water. So, speaking of Jaws, we begged

826
00:41:21.760 --> 00:41:24.400
my dad to take the kids to go see Jaws

827
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:28.159
number two, but the first one, and so I would

828
00:41:28.199 --> 00:41:32.480
have been like sixth grade, and it had an enduring

829
00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:37.679
sort of crimal effect on me. I couldn't be in

830
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:41.239
a swimming pool at night without lights. I would never

831
00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:46.360
see the idea of swimming in open water was terrifying

832
00:41:46.639 --> 00:41:51.760
to me, like it was my greatest fear. And so

833
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:54.400
I had to start doing these lake swims and I

834
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:57.320
could only do it if I was with a whole

835
00:41:57.320 --> 00:41:58.199
bunch of other people.

836
00:41:58.360 --> 00:41:59.719
There's no sharks in lakes.

837
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:05.039
Well, you know the thing about irrational sphere and eels

838
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:10.480
and lengths, The irrational fears are irrational irra right, So

839
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:12.800
the way I was able to get through it was

840
00:42:12.840 --> 00:42:14.960
being around a lot of other people. And then I'm like,

841
00:42:15.280 --> 00:42:17.920
I have to have something going on in my head

842
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:22.000
that will sort of that I can do for a

843
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:24.159
long period of time, that will get me out of

844
00:42:24.159 --> 00:42:26.480
my fear. And the only thing I could come up

845
00:42:26.519 --> 00:42:30.519
with was the original Broadway recording of Avida, which I

846
00:42:30.519 --> 00:42:34.639
can do from beginning to end, including dance breaks, you.

847
00:42:34.559 --> 00:42:36.639
Know, London or original cast.

848
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:40.800
Original Broadway. So Patti Lapote, yes, that's the only one

849
00:42:40.800 --> 00:42:48.119
that exists or needs. And so I went from doing

850
00:42:48.199 --> 00:42:51.559
like little minor swims out in the lake with friends,

851
00:42:52.159 --> 00:42:58.199
to a sprint triathlon which is about a quarter quarter mile,

852
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:04.960
to a Olympic length which is about a mile, and

853
00:43:04.960 --> 00:43:08.639
then finally to a half iron Man which is one

854
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:12.119
point two miles. And those first few ones were all

855
00:43:12.199 --> 00:43:16.440
about Avida. So my tempa would totally shift from what's

856
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:20.639
new Buenos Aires to another suitcase in another hall, right,

857
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:24.800
so you know, my pace was just all over the board.

858
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:28.480
But so we're asking about sort of other things that

859
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:32.360
motivate us. I am now what's called the mayor of Trytown,

860
00:43:32.519 --> 00:43:34.199
So I'm the manager of our team.

861
00:43:34.440 --> 00:43:40.559
So I have the entire triathlete team locally, right right? Wow?

862
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:43.320
Okay, And so now I figure out what rides we'll

863
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:46.199
be doing over the weekends and when we'll start and

864
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:49.400
where we'll start. We have a book club as a

865
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:52.239
part of that, so we I'm in charge of that

866
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:54.440
and where our runs will be.

867
00:43:56.760 --> 00:44:01.400
Yeah, let me ask you a little quick about that, Joe,

868
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:05.880
because it sounds like you've also created community or your tribe.

869
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:08.320
You're talking about that because you this one group has

870
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:10.719
actually opened up to a book club, which might not

871
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:14.519
all include people from the triathlete group too, or is

872
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:16.079
it other people part of that.

873
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:20.960
Well, it's interesting because it originally started as a as

874
00:44:21.000 --> 00:44:23.840
a try team, and then other people would say, I

875
00:44:23.840 --> 00:44:26.599
don't really want to do triathlons, but I love biking.

876
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:29.400
Can I go on your Saturday bike rides? And so

877
00:44:29.519 --> 00:44:32.760
it sort of grew and then there were some people

878
00:44:32.840 --> 00:44:35.360
who were spouses who like, I don't want to do

879
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:37.480
any of that, but I love the idea. I love

880
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:40.119
all of you. Can I come to your barbecues?

881
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:41.000
You know?

882
00:44:41.519 --> 00:44:43.880
Or I love book clubs? Can we can we do

883
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:46.079
that more? The more the merrier, I.

884
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:47.719
Have to hand it to you, because one of the

885
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:49.880
things we have talked about Garyan in the past is

886
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:51.960
when people we've had the same thing. When I moved

887
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:54.480
away from San Francisco, Gary State there we had a

888
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:57.519
tribe at one point. But what you've created is a

889
00:44:57.559 --> 00:45:00.840
really great catalyst for people to become involved in what

890
00:45:00.880 --> 00:45:03.280
they like to do. But sometimes what we hear many

891
00:45:03.360 --> 00:45:05.960
times from people, and what I've observed in the last

892
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:08.920
few years is there is a lot more isolation with

893
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:12.280
people who are older, not our age, but going into

894
00:45:12.320 --> 00:45:14.920
this age group, they find themselves not a part of

895
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:18.639
something and looking for community. So that sounds like a

896
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:22.360
perfect catalyst for people to become involved with something as

897
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:23.239
much as they want to.

898
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:26.679
What's the what's the age makeup of these like the

899
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:28.119
try team and the book play.

900
00:45:28.039 --> 00:45:30.880
Let's see our youngest folks are in there is and

901
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:34.840
we have a guy who's seventy two my age, and

902
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:37.880
and you know every so often, you know, well, I'm

903
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:40.199
sure we're eventually going to have some twenty year olds.

904
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:42.239
They kind of come in and come out and and

905
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:46.599
that's all. It's all good. And to your point, Donnie,

906
00:45:46.639 --> 00:45:48.840
and this is sort of like what you were saying, Kevin,

907
00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:54.280
is when you feel like the kids accept you and

908
00:45:54.320 --> 00:45:56.679
you know, all of those. We have a couple who

909
00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:01.519
he's an incredible triathlete. She's very good in her own right.

910
00:46:01.519 --> 00:46:05.360
They're married, they have three kids. They moved here from

911
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:08.679
one of the Dakota's I can't remember which, and they

912
00:46:08.920 --> 00:46:12.440
heard about us. I reached out to them. They joined

913
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:14.719
for I think a book club, and then suddenly they

914
00:46:14.719 --> 00:46:18.920
were involved. And he took me aside and said, we

915
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:21.280
finally feel like we found our people. You know, we've

916
00:46:21.280 --> 00:46:25.039
been here for over a year and it's been hard

917
00:46:25.039 --> 00:46:29.880
to you know, find find friends with common interests. You know,

918
00:46:29.920 --> 00:46:31.239
that's very you know.

919
00:46:31.519 --> 00:46:33.440
You helped facilitate that gratifying.

920
00:46:33.480 --> 00:46:36.840
But also you are providing an amazing service for service

921
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:39.559
for so many people are looking for exactly what you're

922
00:46:39.599 --> 00:46:42.639
talking about and what you've created. Because again I'll mention

923
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:46.000
that so many times in different communities, I find that

924
00:46:46.079 --> 00:46:48.840
there's a lot of people feeling like they have no community,

925
00:46:48.840 --> 00:46:51.039
they don't know where to find it. Everyone says, oh,

926
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:53.119
just join this, join that, but it's not as easy

927
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:54.199
as it sounds to do that.

928
00:46:54.360 --> 00:46:58.480
I think that keeps you young, young and active too,

929
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:00.400
as opposed to sitting.

930
00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:03.199
I have an idea for you, Okay.

931
00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:06.880
Your idea should be to take this model that you've

932
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:09.880
created and show other people how to do it. There's

933
00:47:09.920 --> 00:47:12.519
a business for you right there, sir ambassador. I only

934
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:14.920
take a small fee for that, but you go run

935
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:19.039
with that. It's very gratifying. Joe. I think you're doing

936
00:47:19.079 --> 00:47:21.840
something really wonderful, and I mean you're kind of as

937
00:47:21.840 --> 00:47:24.599
you said, you took over the leadership of this group,

938
00:47:24.800 --> 00:47:27.880
right I did. Yeah, Wow, that's amazing.

939
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:32.159
So I'm not a coach, so I can't you know,

940
00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:35.480
I can help people in terms of understanding what to

941
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:38.800
expect at a triathlon, and I can sort of, you know,

942
00:47:39.039 --> 00:47:40.480
put all of these events together.

943
00:47:41.760 --> 00:47:42.760
They're playing to your strength.

944
00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:45.239
Yeah, but I'm not going to be the person who's

945
00:47:45.280 --> 00:47:48.639
going to talk about, you know, appropriate tempo pace for

946
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:51.599
five k or you know what have you.

947
00:47:51.639 --> 00:47:55.360
Well, all that's amazing and congratulations to both of you. Gary,

948
00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:57.079
what about you do you do? You have a couple

949
00:47:57.119 --> 00:47:59.360
of questions for us because I know you do well.

950
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:02.159
You know, speak I let every one speak up. I

951
00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:06.039
wanted to go back to Kevin because normally as we

952
00:48:06.119 --> 00:48:09.039
get into our sixes, we'd start talking about retiring.

953
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:10.199
But you, I mean, you.

954
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:12.119
Went back to a career that you had before that

955
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:14.400
you really enjoyed. So my question too is you said

956
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:15.960
you did it when you were younger, and then you

957
00:48:16.199 --> 00:48:18.880
had some other jobs and after the paramount is when

958
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:23.519
you rediscovered if you will teaching, why didn't you teach before?

959
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:25.679
I mean, it sounds like you're very passionate about it,

960
00:48:25.760 --> 00:48:27.800
which is something that may prevent you from I.

961
00:48:27.880 --> 00:48:28.960
Think before like what.

962
00:48:29.119 --> 00:48:33.039
So after high school, I went to San Francisco Cisco

963
00:48:33.119 --> 00:48:35.679
State and lived in San Francisco. So that was about

964
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:37.840
like ten years, and then I moved to New York

965
00:48:38.280 --> 00:48:40.960
for twenty three years, and I was acting and doing

966
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:44.719
summer stock and stuff, and I had day jobs to

967
00:48:44.719 --> 00:48:48.239
support me in between, like an officer, kind of like Joe,

968
00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:49.960
but I just kind of kept it as a day job.

969
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:51.880
So I never like rose because I didn't want to

970
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:55.079
be an investment baker anyway. So during that time I

971
00:48:55.239 --> 00:48:58.760
was doing the performing thing and I had some like

972
00:48:58.760 --> 00:49:02.000
like teaching thing and coaching things on the side, but

973
00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:05.559
I had that outlet, so I wasn't just doing like

974
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:09.320
the office job. And then when I got out to

975
00:49:09.599 --> 00:49:13.599
LA in twenty fourteen, any of my theater teaching kind

976
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:17.599
of contacts were all in New York, so I didn't

977
00:49:17.599 --> 00:49:21.199
have any connections. I ended up pretty quickly at Paramount Pictures,

978
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:24.760
which was very cool, even though I didn't know what

979
00:49:24.800 --> 00:49:27.239
I wanted to do there, but I was there, and

980
00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:29.800
so I'm like, you know what, not everybody gets to

981
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:33.559
work at a major motion picture studio, So so I

982
00:49:33.599 --> 00:49:36.079
was trying to pursue see what I could do in film.

983
00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:38.679
I took a bunch of classes at UCLA.

984
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:42.280
And I was meeting everybody all in different departments all

985
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:45.559
over the lot, trying to get into marketing or production

986
00:49:45.679 --> 00:49:47.559
and all this kind of stuff. I was like, you

987
00:49:47.599 --> 00:49:49.840
know what, I'm here, Let's try to make something out

988
00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:52.639
of this. And then over time it was kind of

989
00:49:52.639 --> 00:49:56.159
like I started realizing that at my age and my

990
00:49:56.480 --> 00:49:59.519
experience and what I was willing to take as a salary,

991
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:02.280
everybody wants the creative.

992
00:50:02.000 --> 00:50:05.159
Jobs in the studios.

993
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:06.840
And there's a million of twenty year olds that are

994
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:10.400
willing to like work for thirty thirty K a year.

995
00:50:10.280 --> 00:50:12.639
And that have like done their time like.

996
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:16.079
At a at an agency or something because that's what

997
00:50:16.079 --> 00:50:18.039
they like to have because then you know all the names.

998
00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:23.159
And so I didn't have either that experience at agency

999
00:50:23.599 --> 00:50:26.239
and I wasn't going to take like a drastic cut

1000
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:29.639
and pay, and so that really kind of brought reality

1001
00:50:29.719 --> 00:50:32.320
in to be like, Okay, I wish i'd taken more

1002
00:50:32.599 --> 00:50:33.320
any film.

1003
00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:34.360
Classes in college.

1004
00:50:34.599 --> 00:50:38.519
But so that's that's why I didn't do the teaching thing,

1005
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:41.000
because I was kind of happy in what I was

1006
00:50:41.039 --> 00:50:44.320
doing both day job and creative career.

1007
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:46.280
And so I think it took like.

1008
00:50:46.480 --> 00:50:49.480
Everything was great at Paramount ttil like this last switch

1009
00:50:49.599 --> 00:50:52.199
of roles and then I was just miserable and so

1010
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:54.719
I wasn't happy what I was doing. Then I got

1011
00:50:54.760 --> 00:50:57.199
laid off, and I'm like, you know, why am I

1012
00:50:57.239 --> 00:50:59.920
continuing to look for these same kind of jobs that

1013
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:02.400
you know they paid decent, they don't pay like crazy,

1014
00:51:03.039 --> 00:51:05.559
but it's near what I want to do, but it

1015
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:07.320
isn't what I want to do. Like I was happy

1016
00:51:07.360 --> 00:51:08.880
to say I worked at Paramount, but what I was

1017
00:51:08.920 --> 00:51:11.079
doing there was not I could have given a shit,

1018
00:51:11.239 --> 00:51:14.559
So I think that's what started getting the wheel spinning,

1019
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:16.280
like what do you really want to do?

1020
00:51:16.400 --> 00:51:16.719
Stop?

1021
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:19.679
Stop pretending you're going to have a career in film,

1022
00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:22.039
because that was something you never I've never even been

1023
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:25.440
on a film set, so it kind of like took me,

1024
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:28.400
like not feeling fulfilled in what I was doing for

1025
00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:30.760
really the first time in a while, to be like,

1026
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:31.800
what do you really want to do?

1027
00:51:32.519 --> 00:51:34.039
You're fulfilled now, right?

1028
00:51:34.239 --> 00:51:37.599
I am? Yeah, like this is where I'm supposed to be.

1029
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:40.760
Joe, You're feeling quite fulfilled also, correct.

1030
00:51:40.719 --> 00:51:44.719
I am. I occasionally have moments where I'm like, I

1031
00:51:44.719 --> 00:51:48.199
should be teaching just like you, Kevin, I think, and

1032
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:53.079
I went and I have my substitute teacher license, which

1033
00:51:53.159 --> 00:51:57.280
in Minnesota basically if you're breathing and haven't committed a felony,

1034
00:51:57.480 --> 00:52:00.480
oh recently the college degree you could, you can be

1035
00:52:00.519 --> 00:52:03.559
a substitute teacher. But I really haven't done anything with that.

1036
00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:06.440
When any of my buddies who teach at the high

1037
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:09.639
school level say hey, I need somebody to come in

1038
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:14.000
and teach the vocal parts to the kids for you know,

1039
00:52:14.079 --> 00:52:16.719
a day, because our person's out. Would you be willing?

1040
00:52:16.960 --> 00:52:20.239
I always say us and Kevin like you, I'm I'm

1041
00:52:20.280 --> 00:52:24.239
a pianist, and so that really comes in incredibly handy,

1042
00:52:24.440 --> 00:52:27.760
and so I do feel like that would be great.

1043
00:52:28.000 --> 00:52:31.800
So when I'm directing Gilbert and Sullivan's I do feel

1044
00:52:32.000 --> 00:52:36.519
very much like everything has led to this. Like I

1045
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:40.599
directed in college a couple of shows, and I was like, wow,

1046
00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:44.079
I am so ill suited for this because I was

1047
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:47.920
an actor who was put into a director position just

1048
00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:51.320
I just didn't have the life experience or the experience

1049
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:55.559
experience to be doing it. And I felt like, Okay,

1050
00:52:56.000 --> 00:52:57.639
I know I don't want to do that. But then

1051
00:52:57.679 --> 00:53:00.960
you know, twenty years later, you know, with a I

1052
00:53:01.199 --> 00:53:04.639
really firm convictions about how Gilbert and Sullivan should be done.

1053
00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:08.280
And the other thing is I've discovered that I'm a

1054
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:12.119
really good rewriter. So for instance, you can't really do

1055
00:53:12.239 --> 00:53:16.480
the Micado anymore because of cultural appropriation and all of that.

1056
00:53:16.840 --> 00:53:21.000
So we did a version of it reset in Scotland

1057
00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:29.119
where it was the Mick mc mccarto, and so that

1058
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:31.800
needed to be rewritten. And you know, you have to

1059
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:36.079
do it with just the right sensibilities or you really

1060
00:53:36.079 --> 00:53:40.440
screw it up. And you know you want Gilbert and

1061
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:47.400
Sullivan enthusiasts and even you know, those who are purists

1062
00:53:47.679 --> 00:53:52.559
to come in and say, you captured the the elements

1063
00:53:52.599 --> 00:53:56.039
of Gilbert and Sullivan, you know, felt Gilbertian. That's what

1064
00:53:56.079 --> 00:53:59.079
you want to hear. You don't want it to be jarring,

1065
00:53:59.599 --> 00:54:04.000
and you don't want it to sort of undercut all

1066
00:54:04.000 --> 00:54:06.440
the cleverness of it all, you know.

1067
00:54:06.559 --> 00:54:09.280
And so you're not changing the lyric. You're not going

1068
00:54:09.360 --> 00:54:12.079
to do that, correct, You're not really changing the body

1069
00:54:12.119 --> 00:54:14.320
of work. You're changing the situation.

1070
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:16.840
Did you change the lyrics or just we did change

1071
00:54:17.000 --> 00:54:22.320
lyrics and we did change the libretto, so we changed

1072
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:27.880
the lines again. That's where it gets really dicey with purists. Yeah. Absolutely.

1073
00:54:28.360 --> 00:54:31.400
So you know, I went to the Guthrie is our

1074
00:54:31.480 --> 00:54:35.480
sort of big, you know, repertory theater here in the city,

1075
00:54:35.639 --> 00:54:42.480
and I went to see HMS Pinafore. Yeah, HMS Pinafore,

1076
00:54:43.119 --> 00:54:47.519
and they billed it as Gilbert and Sullivan's HMS Pinafore,

1077
00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:51.519
And so I came into expecting that, and they rewrote

1078
00:54:51.519 --> 00:54:55.519
the music along with you know, I think you know,

1079
00:54:55.639 --> 00:55:00.679
things became sambas and there were you know, tangos and

1080
00:55:00.679 --> 00:55:04.760
and it was it was very off putting. Because you

1081
00:55:05.480 --> 00:55:08.440
bill it as one thing and then you provide another.

1082
00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:10.599
It was very hard for me to even know if

1083
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:12.519
i'd known it was going to be different, you know,

1084
00:55:12.559 --> 00:55:14.360
you come in with those expectations.

1085
00:55:14.440 --> 00:55:17.079
But it was new Pirates on Broadway.

1086
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:22.760
That's another extent where they interpolate in other numbers from

1087
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:26.800
other Gilbert and Sullivans. They they've changed, well, they've moved

1088
00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:31.800
it to New Orleans, but they've also marketed it in

1089
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:35.920
a way that you know that it's not a conventional

1090
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:37.119
Pirates of Penzance.

1091
00:55:37.239 --> 00:55:39.239
It's not the rect that's happening quite a bit. So

1092
00:55:39.360 --> 00:55:41.239
let me ask you both, what do you think about

1093
00:55:41.280 --> 00:55:43.440
the Pussycat Doll doing Sunset Boulevard.

1094
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:46.639
I will say when I first heard about it, yeah,

1095
00:55:46.679 --> 00:55:50.639
because I've always loved her voice. But my first thought

1096
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:53.000
was like, she is too young. And then I looked

1097
00:55:53.000 --> 00:55:55.840
and I was like, oh no, she's.

1098
00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:59.119
Like maybe it's the right age. That's about what Glorious wants.

1099
00:55:59.039 --> 00:55:59.880
Layce Wantson was.

1100
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:03.280
So I was like, but she's still like she doesn't

1101
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:06.440
she She's not known for her acting, so it's not

1102
00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:09.559
like she's like this grand dam of like like Betty

1103
00:56:09.599 --> 00:56:12.159
Buckley and Patty Lacone and all the people that did it,

1104
00:56:12.199 --> 00:56:14.440
and I'm like, I know she can sing it. And

1105
00:56:14.480 --> 00:56:17.960
then I started seeing clips of her singing it. I'm like, okay,

1106
00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:19.519
And then I saw her on the Tonys.

1107
00:56:19.519 --> 00:56:22.000
I'm like, that's where she won me over. It was

1108
00:56:22.000 --> 00:56:23.800
on the Tonys where I just.

1109
00:56:23.920 --> 00:56:25.760
Like young audience.

1110
00:56:26.239 --> 00:56:27.880
Probably, that's for sure.

1111
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:30.519
I think that's people happening with Gilbert and Sullivan too

1112
00:56:30.639 --> 00:56:34.079
being restaged or I don't say we reinvented, but also

1113
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:38.119
so sorry. That would bring newer audiences in that wouldn't

1114
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:38.920
traditionally go to sea.

1115
00:56:39.039 --> 00:56:42.719
I think, yeah, absolutely, and I think that's all great. Again,

1116
00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:45.440
it's just sort of going back to how Prince do

1117
00:56:45.480 --> 00:56:50.639
you guys listen to satellite radio on Broadway. The guy Ridetzky,

1118
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:54.679
he interviewed hel Prince you know whatever eight years ago

1119
00:56:54.920 --> 00:56:58.280
and asked him what do you think you bring that

1120
00:56:58.599 --> 00:57:02.519
is critical to what you do? And he said, taste,

1121
00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:05.599
you know, the ability to know good from bad and

1122
00:57:05.760 --> 00:57:09.000
to be able to make decisions. And so I do

1123
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:16.039
think there there are examples of just really bad rethinking

1124
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:19.440
of certain pieces. It happens a lot in opera, you

1125
00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:21.440
know again, and I think it's sort of trying to

1126
00:57:21.519 --> 00:57:25.239
make it interesting and palatable, palatable to a new audience.

1127
00:57:25.400 --> 00:57:31.639
But and Jamie Lloyd, who did the rethinking of Sunset

1128
00:57:31.719 --> 00:57:35.159
Boulevard and is responsible for the avida that's going on

1129
00:57:35.199 --> 00:57:37.360
which I get to see in a in a month.

1130
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:39.199
Oh nice.

1131
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:45.360
There are some really funny clips of Jamie Lloyd's send ups.

1132
00:57:46.760 --> 00:57:49.559
Have you seen these? Whereas you know, you see the

1133
00:57:49.639 --> 00:57:52.199
curtains call. I saw the curtain call for the sound

1134
00:57:52.199 --> 00:57:54.480
of Sound of Music, and see all the kids and

1135
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:58.639
they've just taken their bow and then outcomes a man

1136
00:57:59.199 --> 00:58:02.440
and a dipe are covered in blood for the final bow.

1137
00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:05.840
And it's like Jamie Lloyd's the Sound of Music, you know,

1138
00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:09.800
where it's just making fun of his like yeah, his

1139
00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:13.760
reinterpretations of musicals, and he's done the music they did,

1140
00:58:13.920 --> 00:58:18.880
They did the music Man and killed Bye Bye Bertie.

1141
00:58:19.280 --> 00:58:22.000
Just you know, sort of all these fun, frothy musicals

1142
00:58:22.039 --> 00:58:24.679
and the man in the diaper covered in blood comes

1143
00:58:24.719 --> 00:58:27.000
out for his bow. Anyway, that's neither here or there.

1144
00:58:27.719 --> 00:58:31.079
Okay, So we've gone down a theater rabbit hole, which

1145
00:58:31.159 --> 00:58:33.320
is fine, And let's go to some old people questions,

1146
00:58:33.320 --> 00:58:33.719
shall we.

1147
00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:34.239
Sure?

1148
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:36.280
Yeah, a lot of people will say you're talking about

1149
00:58:36.280 --> 00:58:37.239
theaters old people.

1150
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:42.639
Yeah, okay, let's do some quick fun ones.

1151
00:58:42.440 --> 00:58:44.360
Then no, no, we can talk to old people.

1152
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:48.880
Did your go to karaoke song? Either one of you,

1153
00:58:49.039 --> 00:58:49.480
both of you.

1154
00:58:51.719 --> 00:58:55.159
I'm so scared of karryoke me too long key that

1155
00:58:55.280 --> 00:58:57.320
I that it's going to be in the wrong king,

1156
00:58:57.320 --> 00:58:58.400
it is going to be too high, and I will

1157
00:58:58.400 --> 00:59:00.599
be able to sing it. Okay, But I will say

1158
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:05.039
back after during college, my friend had this was even

1159
00:59:05.039 --> 00:59:07.039
before karaoke was really a thing, but we just called

1160
00:59:07.079 --> 00:59:09.360
it his music machine and we would have parties at

1161
00:59:09.360 --> 00:59:13.679
his house and Kirk Livingstone and I was a friend

1162
00:59:13.719 --> 00:59:16.920
from college. We often did because people would bring costumes

1163
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:19.440
and then people were bringing their agents. It was got

1164
00:59:19.559 --> 00:59:23.559
very crazy, but we often did Close to You by

1165
00:59:23.559 --> 00:59:26.800
the Carpenters. But I was Karen and I had the

1166
00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:30.840
long wig and it was staged at her deathbed. So

1167
00:59:30.880 --> 00:59:34.199
I'm like, I'm laying down on a table and he's

1168
00:59:34.239 --> 00:59:36.719
trying to get me to eat a sandwich and I'm

1169
00:59:36.719 --> 00:59:39.840
like no, and then I die part way through, but

1170
00:59:39.880 --> 00:59:42.360
I keep coming back to life to do the Oh.

1171
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:43.760
I will say that brilliant.

1172
00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:46.800
That sounds amazing. Joe, how about you?

1173
00:59:46.960 --> 00:59:50.519
I have a fear of karaoke because I don't have

1174
00:59:50.559 --> 00:59:54.599
a pop voice. I sang opera and light opera for

1175
00:59:54.639 --> 00:59:58.440
so long that it's one of those it's like, oh,

1176
00:59:58.480 --> 01:00:02.360
he can't. He's not a crossover star, and so.

1177
01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:05.039
Don't they Gilbert and Sullivan karaoke tracks.

1178
01:00:05.199 --> 01:00:09.199
Strangely, no one clamors for that, but so I have

1179
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:11.599
to just kind of go with big voice stuff like

1180
01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:15.000
New York, New York, or you know, something along those lines.

1181
01:00:15.400 --> 01:00:18.840
Okay, next question, have you in any way become your

1182
01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:22.039
mother or father your parents? Do you see that.

1183
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:24.679
I've become My dad was always very thrifty, not in

1184
01:00:24.719 --> 01:00:29.280
a cheap way, but just always very mindful of of expenses.

1185
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:30.719
So I inherited that.

1186
01:00:30.880 --> 01:00:32.920
I think you don't find yourself looking at the neighbor

1187
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:35.360
saying I wonder what they're doing, Why are there? Why

1188
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:37.639
are there? Their curtains always closed?

1189
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:44.159
My parents weren't. Weren't that? Okay, Joe with the scarf

1190
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:45.199
is apparent.

1191
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:46.199
Where are we going?

1192
01:00:46.639 --> 01:00:48.159
Oh you noticed?

1193
01:00:50.599 --> 01:00:51.239
We all notice.

1194
01:00:51.440 --> 01:00:55.840
I have a prop I started knitting, which my my

1195
01:00:55.960 --> 01:00:58.760
mom was a cruise scheer, and I've started knitting, and

1196
01:00:59.079 --> 01:01:06.440
I find it's phenomenal for my mental health. Yeah, it's

1197
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:11.840
great when I am in social situations. Do you do

1198
01:01:11.920 --> 01:01:13.880
it while you're doing something else or you just I've

1199
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:16.400
gotten so good at it, I can do it while

1200
01:01:16.480 --> 01:01:17.599
other things are going on.

1201
01:01:18.679 --> 01:01:20.480
Can you do it while you're in a triathlon?

1202
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:23.320
I haven't mastered that yet.

1203
01:01:24.400 --> 01:01:25.559
One something else you can do.

1204
01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:31.440
But it's great for social anxiety, Like if you're like,

1205
01:01:31.480 --> 01:01:33.760
we're going up to the lake with a bunch of

1206
01:01:33.800 --> 01:01:37.119
friends who I adore, but I have trouble with sort

1207
01:01:37.119 --> 01:01:40.840
of unstructured downtime. And but if I'm sitting there making

1208
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:44.000
something beautiful and you know, you're using your left brain

1209
01:01:44.079 --> 01:01:46.719
and your right brain because you're using both hands, and

1210
01:01:48.079 --> 01:01:53.159
it's just great holidays with the family. It's a wonderful

1211
01:01:53.159 --> 01:01:55.840
way to not sort of engage, you know, when you

1212
01:01:55.880 --> 01:01:59.159
become you know, the third child, the baby, and because

1213
01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:02.239
of family dynam and so forth, if you're knitting, you

1214
01:02:02.280 --> 01:02:05.119
know I'm here, you don't. Yeah, you're present, you're not

1215
01:02:05.199 --> 01:02:09.559
on your phone, and you can sort of engage as

1216
01:02:09.559 --> 01:02:12.239
you need to and still you know, it's just been

1217
01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:13.199
really helpful for me.

1218
01:02:13.840 --> 01:02:16.320
So, since you mentioned props, and before that we talked

1219
01:02:16.320 --> 01:02:19.119
about music, I'm going to take a slight turn. I

1220
01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:21.679
wish I had this prop right now, but I look

1221
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:23.480
for it, I couldn't find it. So I'll start with

1222
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:27.199
the trivia question, who among us has released an album

1223
01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:27.880
of music?

1224
01:02:28.119 --> 01:02:28.480
Really?

1225
01:02:29.119 --> 01:02:32.239
I own that album and I don't know what the

1226
01:02:32.280 --> 01:02:33.000
hell I did with it.

1227
01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:33.679
Is the Flips?

1228
01:02:35.880 --> 01:02:38.719
That pink? That pink thing is the frame? Oh yeah,

1229
01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:41.000
I see make this happen. Hold on, you can see

1230
01:02:41.000 --> 01:02:41.400
the album?

1231
01:02:42.199 --> 01:02:42.800
Do you remember it was?

1232
01:02:42.920 --> 01:02:43.920
It was part of a group.

1233
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:45.840
Singer.

1234
01:02:46.039 --> 01:02:47.920
Yeah, four of us, let me see if I can,

1235
01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:49.840
And they.

1236
01:02:49.679 --> 01:02:51.920
Were called the Flips, and they put out an album

1237
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:53.920
and I bought it and I thought I had it,

1238
01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:56.320
but I don't have any LPs anymore, and it wasn't

1239
01:02:56.320 --> 01:02:56.679
in there.

1240
01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:59.880
We're going running around that.

1241
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:03.440
You can't.

1242
01:03:03.719 --> 01:03:05.119
No, I know where I can get it. Hold on,

1243
01:03:05.519 --> 01:03:06.440
talk amongst yourself.

1244
01:03:07.440 --> 01:03:11.280
Okay, I'm sorry, miss Fluke.

1245
01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:13.360
You can't, oh dear.

1246
01:03:13.519 --> 01:03:16.559
You can't just walks off sets just having a little

1247
01:03:16.679 --> 01:03:17.800
touch up her makeup.

1248
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:20.559
This is so while we're waiting, there's a question I

1249
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:21.559
was going to ask.

1250
01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:25.199
Related there.

1251
01:03:25.239 --> 01:03:29.440
It is the Flips, right, wow? Is that the only

1252
01:03:29.519 --> 01:03:30.480
album you guys put out?

1253
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:31.039
Yes?

1254
01:03:31.639 --> 01:03:33.320
Because then we broke up.

1255
01:03:33.519 --> 01:03:34.320
I was in a movie.

1256
01:03:34.400 --> 01:03:35.320
How long ago was that?

1257
01:03:36.159 --> 01:03:37.320
What in a movie?

1258
01:03:37.559 --> 01:03:43.280
Yes, just you know drop dead fred Anywine with Phoebe.

1259
01:03:43.039 --> 01:03:45.920
Kate's okay, yes, yeah, what.

1260
01:03:45.760 --> 01:03:46.280
Did you do?

1261
01:03:48.119 --> 01:03:51.400
No? No, that would have been great. I was in

1262
01:03:51.440 --> 01:03:55.880
the food fight scene. I was the pianist. Yeah, and

1263
01:03:56.000 --> 01:04:00.159
there was a quintete. We were playing some Schubert in

1264
01:04:00.239 --> 01:04:03.280
the background, and you know, all hell breaks out and

1265
01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:06.760
food gets thrown and so forth. So yeah, well that

1266
01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:08.880
was my brief moment of fame.

1267
01:04:09.480 --> 01:04:11.760
So don will have to find that movie clip. We

1268
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:12.559
were at the promo.

1269
01:04:12.880 --> 01:04:14.800
Yes, and what about you? Have you been in any

1270
01:04:14.840 --> 01:04:15.679
movies or anything?

1271
01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:18.719
Well, none that I can speak right now?

1272
01:04:18.920 --> 01:04:20.840
You mean you're only fans, it's not a movie.

1273
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:23.519
While we were in high school, I was never one

1274
01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:25.719
on stage. I was one of the stage hs. But

1275
01:04:25.880 --> 01:04:28.920
no that I recall. I've I've been on like interviewed

1276
01:04:29.039 --> 01:04:31.719
for local TV news many times because of my volunteer work.

1277
01:04:31.920 --> 01:04:33.159
One of them was very funny. We were out of

1278
01:04:33.199 --> 01:04:35.920
chrissy Field. I volunteered for the fire department and we're

1279
01:04:35.920 --> 01:04:38.480
having an exercise out there and I'm doing whatever and

1280
01:04:38.480 --> 01:04:41.199
someone said, does anyone speak Spanish? And I raised my hashes. Okay,

1281
01:04:41.199 --> 01:04:42.480
go talk to the reporter. You're going to go on

1282
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:45.679
the news, like what? So yeah, but yeah, I've been

1283
01:04:45.719 --> 01:04:47.199
interviewed several times.

1284
01:04:46.920 --> 01:04:47.719
For local news.

1285
01:04:47.880 --> 01:04:48.679
That's great.

1286
01:04:49.000 --> 01:04:51.800
I will be on stage tomorrow at Golden Gate Park bandshell,

1287
01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:55.320
talking about our volunteer work. The Golden Gate Park Band

1288
01:04:55.960 --> 01:04:58.800
they play every Sunday for free for like April to

1289
01:04:58.960 --> 01:05:02.320
October is and one concert a year the dedicate to

1290
01:05:03.320 --> 01:05:06.920
honor volunteers. And so I've been going for like ten

1291
01:05:07.000 --> 01:05:08.880
years and I go up there and speak to the group.

1292
01:05:09.000 --> 01:05:12.079
So that's why I'll be tomorrow. So that's closest I've gotten.

1293
01:05:12.119 --> 01:05:15.800
Do you do so bilingually or all in in that case? No,

1294
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:16.480
just in English?

1295
01:05:16.480 --> 01:05:17.800
Okay, no interpretive dance.

1296
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:21.119
That's said, don't get me, don't give me any ideas

1297
01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:23.559
because I have till tomorrow. But anyways, enough about me.

1298
01:05:23.719 --> 01:05:28.400
My question to show since you're about to turn sixty,

1299
01:05:28.679 --> 01:05:30.880
and by the way, your birthday is one week before mine.

1300
01:05:30.920 --> 01:05:31.519
Oh is that right?

1301
01:05:31.559 --> 01:05:33.800
I'm on the tenth I'm on the tent. So one

1302
01:05:33.880 --> 01:05:37.320
question we ask guests is well, has aged for either

1303
01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:39.480
of you ever been an issue? Because as you turn,

1304
01:05:39.639 --> 01:05:42.039
you know some people for turning forty, So are turning

1305
01:05:42.079 --> 01:05:45.920
thirty whatever some age maybe have an issue with Has

1306
01:05:45.920 --> 01:05:47.400
it ever been an issue for you or do you

1307
01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:49.599
have any anxiety as you approach sixty?

1308
01:05:50.239 --> 01:05:53.920
No, I don't. I The only time I have anxiety

1309
01:05:54.119 --> 01:05:57.159
is when I have those moments of realization. Like we

1310
01:05:57.159 --> 01:05:59.599
were talking, Kevin, all of us the other day about

1311
01:05:59.719 --> 01:06:03.039
real how did you put it?

1312
01:06:03.639 --> 01:06:05.880
Because you're saying the seventies was back on my kids

1313
01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:08.440
today thinking about the seventies would be like us in

1314
01:06:08.480 --> 01:06:10.079
high school thinking about the twenties.

1315
01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:18.159
Yeah, you know where I'm like, oh oh oh. But

1316
01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:22.119
I don't have any anxiety about it. Accept It shows

1317
01:06:22.199 --> 01:06:26.559
up in dreams where I will be in college and

1318
01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:32.960
be doing a show, and somewhere sort of halfway through

1319
01:06:33.480 --> 01:06:37.800
the rehearsal process or whatever, I suddenly start doing the

1320
01:06:37.880 --> 01:06:41.239
math and realizing I'm not the same age as the

1321
01:06:41.320 --> 01:06:48.639
people around me, and I get really distressed. But I

1322
01:06:49.199 --> 01:06:53.159
don't have any distress in my regular life about it.

1323
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:58.599
I'm caring for a relative, a cousin of mine who

1324
01:06:59.239 --> 01:07:03.960
had a brain tumor removed and is no longer sort

1325
01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:08.039
of mentally fully functional, and helped her move out of well,

1326
01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:11.880
helped her bury her husband, helped her move into a

1327
01:07:11.960 --> 01:07:15.800
senior community and then helped her move into assisted living.

1328
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:17.800
So I've sort of done all of those things over

1329
01:07:17.840 --> 01:07:20.719
the last five years, which has you know, now my

1330
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:23.639
husband and I are like, okay, okay, we know how

1331
01:07:23.639 --> 01:07:25.719
that works. Now we need to make sure that we

1332
01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:28.519
learn from all of that, because there were lots of things,

1333
01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:33.039
love that insurance and just having a what's it called

1334
01:07:33.199 --> 01:07:38.559
medical directive? A will you know? All of those things

1335
01:07:39.400 --> 01:07:42.360
we just did all that last year. Yeah, And when

1336
01:07:42.400 --> 01:07:45.840
Scott and I did our medical directive when we were

1337
01:07:45.840 --> 01:07:48.199
getting married, we both filled it out and then we

1338
01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:50.639
handed it to one another, and it asks you all

1339
01:07:50.679 --> 01:07:53.920
of those questions, like, so you've been in a persistent

1340
01:07:54.119 --> 01:08:00.239
vegetative state and there's almost no chance that you will

1341
01:08:00.280 --> 01:08:04.039
gain any mental capacity back, So what do you want

1342
01:08:04.079 --> 01:08:06.320
to have happened? And of course I'm just like, oh yeah,

1343
01:08:06.360 --> 01:08:10.639
when you know, I'm unplugged me and Scott's like, well,

1344
01:08:10.760 --> 01:08:13.280
he didn't say there was no chance. He just said

1345
01:08:13.320 --> 01:08:17.239
there was. We just had very different views of like

1346
01:08:17.479 --> 01:08:20.319
end of life stuff. But over the last you know,

1347
01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:24.319
ten fifteen years, we're much more aligned now.

1348
01:08:24.760 --> 01:08:27.840
Well, and you can have like Hay's thing is like

1349
01:08:28.119 --> 01:08:30.199
if I'm in a vegetive state. Keep me there for

1350
01:08:30.319 --> 01:08:32.600
a year and a day and if nothing has.

1351
01:08:32.600 --> 01:08:35.680
Changed, then then you can do it.

1352
01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:38.760
But yeah, i'll put in on this subject. For those

1353
01:08:38.800 --> 01:08:41.520
of us at this age, long term care insurance is

1354
01:08:41.520 --> 01:08:43.600
something I never knew about, and.

1355
01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:46.079
That's what pays for assisted living. It's nothing else.

1356
01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:48.640
And if you don't have it, sixty is not too

1357
01:08:48.680 --> 01:08:51.760
late to start doing that. And also, if you own property,

1358
01:08:52.279 --> 01:08:57.760
to get a trust because if you die, it's a nightmare.

1359
01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:00.119
Because my husband's dealing with his mom who pass to

1360
01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:02.840
four years ago. She did have anything in a trust

1361
01:09:02.880 --> 01:09:04.159
and he's still dealing with.

1362
01:09:04.039 --> 01:09:05.039
It four years later.

1363
01:09:05.279 --> 01:09:05.800
Wow.

1364
01:09:05.960 --> 01:09:08.399
So I mean even if you don't, because I learned

1365
01:09:08.399 --> 01:09:12.159
that just having a will doesn't make everything go smoothly

1366
01:09:13.119 --> 01:09:14.199
to do a trust.

1367
01:09:14.279 --> 01:09:15.680
So you need to go back and look at our

1368
01:09:15.720 --> 01:09:18.960
previous episodes and we discussed this. There we go. Obviously

1369
01:09:18.960 --> 01:09:21.279
you missed that one, so we'll expect a report on

1370
01:09:21.399 --> 01:09:22.399
it after you've watched it.

1371
01:09:22.479 --> 01:09:24.479
I was watching the Jeff and CC one this morning.

1372
01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:28.600
Okay, so guys, let's let's bring this back around again.

1373
01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:30.680
So Gary, any more questions do you have?

1374
01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:35.760
Well, Yoda, we call one segment any questions more you have, Hey,

1375
01:09:35.880 --> 01:09:36.920
nobody got time for that?

1376
01:09:37.319 --> 01:09:37.800
Yeah? Right?

1377
01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:41.520
And the quick answer is our quick comment is that

1378
01:09:41.600 --> 01:09:45.479
when we were younger, maybe we'd kind of let things slide, like, yeah,

1379
01:09:45.520 --> 01:09:47.399
whatever they said or whatever they did, I'm just not

1380
01:09:47.439 --> 01:09:49.800
gonna let it bother me. But as you get older,

1381
01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:51.840
it's like, you know what, Like in my case, I

1382
01:09:51.840 --> 01:09:54.239
would tend to speak up more now than when I

1383
01:09:54.279 --> 01:09:58.079
was younger. If I would write someone's beck young when

1384
01:09:58.119 --> 01:10:00.479
I was younger, I'm like, I just thought, just don't

1385
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:04.000
worry about it. So I ain't nobody got time for that?

1386
01:10:04.039 --> 01:10:07.000
What do not have any more time for? Whether it's

1387
01:10:07.319 --> 01:10:09.279
you don't have the patience to put up with people

1388
01:10:10.000 --> 01:10:12.640
or you just don't let people slide on things? Is

1389
01:10:12.640 --> 01:10:14.800
there anything that you don't have any I ain't got

1390
01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:15.159
time for.

1391
01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:21.560
I'm kind of the opposite of what you just described. No,

1392
01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:26.720
I just feel like the world's on fire, and I'm

1393
01:10:26.760 --> 01:10:30.600
not going to bug people about like what's on their wall.

1394
01:10:32.399 --> 01:10:34.439
You know. I go out on walks with the dog

1395
01:10:34.479 --> 01:10:36.640
and I get deep into the woods and I let

1396
01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:39.920
them off the leash, and ninety nine times out of

1397
01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:42.920
one hundred, everyone you encounter is going to if you

1398
01:10:43.000 --> 01:10:46.880
encounter anyone is going to be delighted because they're sweet dogs.

1399
01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:50.199
And then there's that one person that flips out, and

1400
01:10:50.319 --> 01:10:53.039
you know, so I they're right, the dog should be

1401
01:10:53.079 --> 01:10:54.760
on a leash, So I put them on a leash.

1402
01:10:54.920 --> 01:10:57.600
But what tends to happen with me is I get

1403
01:10:57.640 --> 01:11:02.439
overwrought when i'm somebody gets in my face, and so

1404
01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:09.199
I no longer have time for holding on to that nonsense. Yeah.

1405
01:11:09.399 --> 01:11:12.479
I grew up in a family where we didn't talk

1406
01:11:12.520 --> 01:11:17.399
our issues out. You just pushed them down, And so

1407
01:11:17.760 --> 01:11:21.039
I'm better at talking things out, and I'm also just

1408
01:11:21.479 --> 01:11:24.359
better at like that's driving me nuts, I need to

1409
01:11:24.439 --> 01:11:28.600
let it go. And you know, meditation is great for that. Yeah,

1410
01:11:28.680 --> 01:11:31.399
I get to I get to choose how I respond

1411
01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:34.920
to things. But that doesn't really answer your question of

1412
01:11:35.079 --> 01:11:35.520
I ain't.

1413
01:11:35.399 --> 01:11:39.800
Got you didn't have a problem with anything, right, nothing

1414
01:11:39.840 --> 01:11:40.359
bothers you?

1415
01:11:40.920 --> 01:11:47.479
Oh No, things still bother me. No, I just I

1416
01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:50.880
just think I cope better and it's better for me

1417
01:11:51.359 --> 01:11:54.560
from a mental health perspective to not get all wrapped

1418
01:11:54.640 --> 01:11:55.680
up in stuff.

1419
01:11:57.039 --> 01:12:02.760
Yeah, I get that, thank you a shallower level. Whereas

1420
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:05.239
with books I'm reading or music I'm listening to or

1421
01:12:05.319 --> 01:12:07.920
movies I'm watching. If I'm not really into it, I

1422
01:12:07.920 --> 01:12:10.600
can then well, you know I started it, so I'll

1423
01:12:10.920 --> 01:12:13.800
finish this movie at this book, this album or whatever.

1424
01:12:13.880 --> 01:12:17.159
I'm like, you know what, let's if I knew I

1425
01:12:17.319 --> 01:12:20.039
just had like another week left, would I want to

1426
01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:23.119
keep watching this movie or go do something else? So

1427
01:12:23.239 --> 01:12:26.560
I like, I give things on streaming like ten to

1428
01:12:26.600 --> 01:12:27.920
fifteen minutes and I'm like.

1429
01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:30.800
Nope, Kevin Can's so good.

1430
01:12:31.079 --> 01:12:32.119
Yes do it?

1431
01:12:33.439 --> 01:12:36.880
Yes, I have. I have a better response to your question,

1432
01:12:36.960 --> 01:12:41.960
and that is I leave the theater at intermission. A lot.

1433
01:12:43.760 --> 01:12:48.359
I have trouble with the like live theater, yeah, movies a.

1434
01:12:48.359 --> 01:12:56.640
Lot, A number of sort of the touring companies of shows.

1435
01:12:58.239 --> 01:13:01.279
I leave an intermission, and it's not because they're the

1436
01:13:01.359 --> 01:13:04.239
touring company, just because I just don't like them and

1437
01:13:04.279 --> 01:13:07.800
I'm not going to stick around for another hour. So

1438
01:13:08.279 --> 01:13:12.319
ninety minutes no intermission. That's my idea of great theater.

1439
01:13:13.039 --> 01:13:16.560
Yeah, I'm going to see local production of Zana Do tonight,

1440
01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:19.359
which I'm hoping that I don't walk out of it.

1441
01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:24.159
I thoroughly enjoyed Xanadua like three times, and it was obsessed.

1442
01:13:24.199 --> 01:13:26.039
So I have high expectations.

1443
01:13:26.079 --> 01:13:29.359
Okay, okay, guys, So here's the last question. Who would

1444
01:13:29.399 --> 01:13:32.399
play you on television or in the movies?

1445
01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:35.119
I saw this question, and we'll always highlighted.

1446
01:13:35.720 --> 01:13:39.520
I want it to be Kenneth Brana, but I think

1447
01:13:39.560 --> 01:13:43.560
it's probably going to end up being John Lithgow because

1448
01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:46.239
I often get told you look like John Lithgow. But

1449
01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:48.560
I'd really like it to be Kenneth Brown.

1450
01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:49.279
Okay, I can see it.

1451
01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:51.720
I can see, I could see or if the two

1452
01:13:51.720 --> 01:13:53.000
of them had a baby.

1453
01:13:53.279 --> 01:13:55.880
For sure that would be that would be right. I

1454
01:13:55.880 --> 01:13:58.840
mean it's a hypothetical. So why not we'll do some

1455
01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:00.920
geene splicing and we go there you.

1456
01:14:00.880 --> 01:14:04.520
Go, Kevin, I highlighted this inside. I know a few

1457
01:14:04.560 --> 01:14:06.319
days ago, gentlemen, you had much I.

1458
01:14:08.359 --> 01:14:13.319
Think in the past someone said Roddy McDowell okay, interesting.

1459
01:14:14.119 --> 01:14:17.239
And not because of his I think we've lost Joe

1460
01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:17.560
to it.

1461
01:14:17.960 --> 01:14:19.079
No, I'm thinking.

1462
01:14:21.920 --> 01:14:23.239
Someone slapped Joe in the head.

1463
01:14:23.880 --> 01:14:26.399
No, I was thinking about Roddy mcdowllan. That kind of works.

1464
01:14:26.600 --> 01:14:29.439
I mean, he's got your build, and he's kind of brainy,

1465
01:14:29.560 --> 01:14:33.920
and you know, and by all accounts a wonderful human being.

1466
01:14:34.439 --> 01:14:37.600
And okay, and it's not because of the other rumor

1467
01:14:37.640 --> 01:14:38.720
about Roddy McDowell.

1468
01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:40.079
Yeah, there's that, which is.

1469
01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:46.279
What Well, this is a family show, gentlemen.

1470
01:14:46.079 --> 01:14:49.319
But not because of it, or not solely.

1471
01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:50.880
When you say he's well in doubt, is I mean

1472
01:14:50.880 --> 01:14:51.359
he's rich.

1473
01:14:52.439 --> 01:14:56.119
Yes, people have donated it like an endowment.

1474
01:14:56.840 --> 01:14:59.600
Okay, how about how about I always want to say

1475
01:14:59.640 --> 01:15:04.760
silly and but I think he pronounces it Killian Murphy Murphy.

1476
01:15:05.640 --> 01:15:08.920
He always looks a little freaky to me, like like

1477
01:15:09.079 --> 01:15:11.439
like he's from another like like he's part.

1478
01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:12.199
Alien or something.

1479
01:15:12.880 --> 01:15:16.119
Okay, so he always like I'm always like a little

1480
01:15:16.199 --> 01:15:18.319
off put by him. But I see, I see where

1481
01:15:18.319 --> 01:15:18.760
you're going.

1482
01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:21.039
Okay, Well, when we have you back, I'm gonna give

1483
01:15:21.039 --> 01:15:22.760
you more time to study that one. So here's the

1484
01:15:22.840 --> 01:15:27.319
lightning round a quiz. It's a lightning round. You just

1485
01:15:27.359 --> 01:15:30.000
have to answer, okay, both of you when you at

1486
01:15:30.000 --> 01:15:33.840
the same time. Red wine, white wine, champagne, beer or nothing.

1487
01:15:33.720 --> 01:15:35.119
Red white wine.

1488
01:15:35.479 --> 01:15:37.000
The sweeter, the better, got it?

1489
01:15:37.119 --> 01:15:44.039
Movie comedy horror or romance, horror, Friends, will or friends.

1490
01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:45.800
Oh will, oh willing grace?

1491
01:15:45.960 --> 01:15:47.439
Okay? Good cats or dogs?

1492
01:15:47.520 --> 01:15:47.960
Dogs?

1493
01:15:48.079 --> 01:15:49.960
We have dogs, but I love cats.

1494
01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:54.720
Okay, you can't answer that way. Sweet snacks or savory snacks.

1495
01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:57.800
So sweet, sweet sweet?

1496
01:15:57.880 --> 01:16:00.840
Okay, thinking like chocolates.

1497
01:16:00.920 --> 01:16:02.600
It's called the lightning round.

1498
01:16:06.439 --> 01:16:09.720
This is lightning city life or small town cityway city life?

1499
01:16:09.760 --> 01:16:11.840
Okay. Sushi or tacos.

1500
01:16:11.560 --> 01:16:13.239
Tacos, that's a good one.

1501
01:16:13.520 --> 01:16:14.920
Cook or do the dishes?

1502
01:16:15.079 --> 01:16:16.840
Cook dishes?

1503
01:16:17.239 --> 01:16:20.159
Okay, there's a very simple questions. Don't think about them.

1504
01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:22.239
Pineapple on pizza or yes or no?

1505
01:16:22.479 --> 01:16:22.800
Yes?

1506
01:16:22.920 --> 01:16:23.199
Yes?

1507
01:16:24.000 --> 01:16:27.239
Kids or pets pets? Well, I knew it, I knew it.

1508
01:16:27.399 --> 01:16:29.560
Well, how do you respond to that?

1509
01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:34.159
Well, you can say both pets pets.

1510
01:16:34.279 --> 01:16:37.079
Like housewives or survivor.

1511
01:16:36.439 --> 01:16:38.720
Survivors neither never watched the Housewives?

1512
01:16:38.760 --> 01:16:42.439
Okay, okay. Time travel twenty years in the past or

1513
01:16:42.439 --> 01:16:43.560
twenty years in the future.

1514
01:16:44.239 --> 01:16:46.079
What twenty years in the past is so far enough?

1515
01:16:46.319 --> 01:16:48.199
Like our current.

1516
01:16:48.159 --> 01:16:49.760
I'll go in the future. I'll go to the future.

1517
01:16:49.880 --> 01:16:52.479
What do you say, like our current self gets to

1518
01:16:52.560 --> 01:16:54.439
go back or our current.

1519
01:16:54.560 --> 01:16:56.720
Back or twenty years as you are as you are now.

1520
01:16:56.920 --> 01:17:00.239
So I'm not eighty, I'm sixty twenty years in the future.

1521
01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:01.079
Is that correct?

1522
01:17:01.079 --> 01:17:03.319
You can be sixty in either direction.

1523
01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:05.199
I go in the future to see if we survive

1524
01:17:05.720 --> 01:17:06.239
this Era.

1525
01:17:06.520 --> 01:17:11.319
Okay, that's a hard one. I'm sorry you're still thinking

1526
01:17:11.600 --> 01:17:13.439
I'm flummuxed. That's a good one.

1527
01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:15.960
It's okay, that's okay, that's okay.

1528
01:17:16.279 --> 01:17:19.760
Last question, I'm gonna go with Dary.

1529
01:17:20.720 --> 01:17:25.119
I'll go with gone. Okay, Gary, Gone, Era, Gone.

1530
01:17:25.479 --> 01:17:26.640
A lot of so much.

1531
01:17:28.399 --> 01:17:31.359
So we want to thank our guests Joanne Flug and

1532
01:17:31.399 --> 01:17:35.760
Fanny Flag for joining That's today, guys. It was really

1533
01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:39.239
a pleasure speaking with you. I'm I'm very excited to

1534
01:17:39.279 --> 01:17:41.520
hear what you guys are doing now and what has

1535
01:17:41.560 --> 01:17:45.960
happened and transpired and what you have created for yourselves now.

1536
01:17:46.079 --> 01:17:50.039
It seems like life is pretty good for you, guys.

1537
01:17:50.439 --> 01:17:53.359
Quick lightning round question for the two of you. Gary,

1538
01:17:54.319 --> 01:17:56.319
are you retired or still working?

1539
01:17:56.479 --> 01:17:59.840
Garry, I'm still working. I'll be sixty three next month,

1540
01:18:00.079 --> 01:18:03.600
so I'm targeting age sixty seven or four more years.

1541
01:18:03.840 --> 01:18:06.520
And I'm thirty eight, so I'm going to wait a

1542
01:18:06.560 --> 01:18:10.840
few years until i get my pension. But no, I've

1543
01:18:10.880 --> 01:18:14.279
definitely been contemplating it in the last couple of years. Quickly,

1544
01:18:14.720 --> 01:18:17.079
back to your other point. We've just finished our trust,

1545
01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:19.520
our wills, all of the directions, all those things. We

1546
01:18:19.560 --> 01:18:21.880
so wet which are so important to make sure that

1547
01:18:21.920 --> 01:18:24.520
we can actually make a very good, educated decision about this.

1548
01:18:24.600 --> 01:18:26.319
So I'm looking the next couple of years.

1549
01:18:26.399 --> 01:18:29.399
So the youngest person here is the only one who's retired.

1550
01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:34.159
Basically, but he's Sally has got a pretty full schedule.

1551
01:18:34.239 --> 01:18:37.520
So yes, oh you can use that term retirement, but

1552
01:18:38.039 --> 01:18:40.000
right retired from because.

1553
01:18:41.760 --> 01:18:44.119
Well, I'm not super busy. As you'll recall, when we

1554
01:18:44.199 --> 01:18:46.720
tried to schedule this stuff, you said, can you give

1555
01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:48.560
us some dates? That were times?

1556
01:18:48.760 --> 01:18:52.479
I have any time? Nothing? You were so busy, both

1557
01:18:52.479 --> 01:18:52.680
of you.

1558
01:18:54.079 --> 01:18:58.000
I was, I'm the busiest person should say what's available,

1559
01:18:58.079 --> 01:18:59.760
because I can make anything work.

1560
01:19:01.079 --> 01:19:01.840
That's what she said.

1561
01:19:02.840 --> 01:19:06.359
Yeah, you're busy knitting, doing your triathlon at your book club,

1562
01:19:06.760 --> 01:19:11.039
like I have no idea how any directing direct Yes,

1563
01:19:11.079 --> 01:19:14.119
and you're you're teaching classes and doing musicals and going

1564
01:19:14.119 --> 01:19:16.479
out to Broadway shows all the time. So neither one

1565
01:19:16.479 --> 01:19:19.000
of you has any time. Don't hide behind that scarf

1566
01:19:19.039 --> 01:19:22.000
show Andrewes. Okay, guys, thank you so much for joining us.

1567
01:19:23.920 --> 01:19:27.000
It was great. That a lovely time. Thank you guys.

1568
01:19:27.039 --> 01:19:28.039
It's wonderful to.

1569
01:19:28.239 --> 01:19:30.399
Edit you down. I will I will edit you both down.

1570
01:19:30.399 --> 01:19:32.760
To five minutes. So this podcast will only be three

1571
01:19:32.760 --> 01:19:34.000
and a half minutes long.

1572
01:19:33.920 --> 01:19:35.119
And it will just be the two of you.

1573
01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:39.079
Yes it will. Sorry, our guests couldn't show up today. Sorry,

1574
01:19:39.119 --> 01:19:42.079
I'll just be clips of us, Gord, So thank you

1575
01:19:42.119 --> 01:19:44.520
again for joining us, Scary. I'm sure you feel the same.

1576
01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:45.439
I do.

1577
01:19:45.560 --> 01:19:47.880
Thank you both, like wonderful, Yeah you do.

1578
01:19:48.439 --> 01:19:49.479
It's just a real time.

1579
01:19:49.680 --> 01:19:50.159
Here, I feel.

1580
01:19:50.159 --> 01:19:51.800
The last time I saw you in person, you're still

1581
01:19:51.800 --> 01:19:54.760
working at Macy's at the Hillsdale.

1582
01:19:54.840 --> 01:19:57.319
Well the job I have now Macy's. I've only been

1583
01:19:57.359 --> 01:19:59.600
working for my boss for thirty seven years.

1584
01:20:00.079 --> 01:20:02.000
My goodness, And what are you doing.

1585
01:20:03.399 --> 01:20:07.119
I'm an admin assistant like excellent, I'm I'm a Kevin

1586
01:20:07.199 --> 01:20:10.560
Yeah so yeah, yeah, I've been and I work from

1587
01:20:10.560 --> 01:20:12.439
home now because we decide we don't, we don't need to.

1588
01:20:14.720 --> 01:20:15.399
I work from home.

1589
01:20:15.479 --> 01:20:15.800
Yeah.

1590
01:20:15.840 --> 01:20:17.880
So I'm in my office and my dannerym all at once.

1591
01:20:18.159 --> 01:20:18.960
Oh there we go.

1592
01:20:19.039 --> 01:20:21.079
Okay, So I'm going to press the stop button, do

1593
01:20:21.199 --> 01:20:23.800
not go away yet because I want this to finish.

1594
01:20:23.880 --> 01:20:29.640
So I get to stop on a guys, and we're back.

1595
01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:31.159
Well that was a lot of fun. Oh my god,

1596
01:20:31.199 --> 01:20:33.359
it was so good to see them they're funny.

1597
01:20:33.399 --> 01:20:36.000
They're very funny guys. I think I think they actually

1598
01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:38.760
are in touch with each other off this obviously. Sure,

1599
01:20:38.960 --> 01:20:39.920
they're very funny.

1600
01:20:40.239 --> 01:20:42.239
I don't remember the last time I saw them in person.

1601
01:20:42.760 --> 01:20:45.079
For Joe, it could be high school for Kevin.

1602
01:20:45.760 --> 01:20:47.640
Anybody lives in Milwaukee.

1603
01:20:47.159 --> 01:20:48.880
So that's Minneapolis.

1604
01:20:49.039 --> 01:20:55.119
That's right, it's the other m Thanks Mary.

1605
01:20:53.680 --> 01:20:55.720
So we read any close remarks. Are we ready to

1606
01:20:55.720 --> 01:20:56.279
shut it down?

1607
01:20:56.600 --> 01:20:59.199
No? I think that maybe we need to ask ourselves

1608
01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:01.640
some of these questions next time about who would play

1609
01:21:01.680 --> 01:21:02.199
us in a movie?

1610
01:21:02.279 --> 01:21:04.359
And oh lord, I gotta think about that one.

1611
01:21:04.960 --> 01:21:07.119
Okay, anyway, why don't you shut us down?

1612
01:21:07.279 --> 01:21:10.079
Well, well, I will close this out. I don't want

1613
01:21:10.079 --> 01:21:13.079
to shut us down because we still have more episodes

1614
01:21:13.119 --> 01:21:16.720
to go. All right, well, then we're ready to shut

1615
01:21:16.720 --> 01:21:19.479
it down, close it out. Whatever on behalf of Don

1616
01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:21.479
and Gary doing sixty. I'm Gary. Want to thank you

1617
01:21:21.520 --> 01:21:24.520
for joining us on another episode. We'd have some in

1618
01:21:24.560 --> 01:21:28.159
the can, as they say, and we have for sure

1619
01:21:28.720 --> 01:21:31.199
two more guests lined up that we haven't recorded yet,

1620
01:21:31.319 --> 01:21:33.560
so we're very excited about that. So we will continue

1621
01:21:33.560 --> 01:21:36.039
to bring you more guests. If you are interested in

1622
01:21:36.119 --> 01:21:38.560
joining us or if you know of someone or maybe

1623
01:21:38.560 --> 01:21:40.520
a topic that you want us to talk about, you

1624
01:21:40.560 --> 01:21:44.760
can reach out to us to various platforms through our website,

1625
01:21:44.840 --> 01:21:47.760
which you can find on pod page. And is this

1626
01:21:47.800 --> 01:21:49.520
where I do the point pot page?

1627
01:21:49.640 --> 01:21:54.479
Now you have to do it here? Oh wait, one, two, three,

1628
01:21:54.640 --> 01:21:57.840
pot page pot page. We'll go with that, all right, whatever,

1629
01:21:57.960 --> 01:21:59.279
we'll practice.

1630
01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:02.600
So that's our website and through that you can reach

1631
01:22:02.640 --> 01:22:06.560
any of our platforms, which for the visual part where

1632
01:22:06.600 --> 01:22:09.640
you get all of this, it's YouTube and that's super

1633
01:22:09.720 --> 01:22:13.359
five for pod productions, right. And then if you just

1634
01:22:13.439 --> 01:22:16.039
want to listen to us as you drive from work

1635
01:22:16.399 --> 01:22:17.800
or drive the kids.

1636
01:22:17.600 --> 01:22:20.079
Around, drive yourself crazy.

1637
01:22:19.880 --> 01:22:22.920
Drive yourself crazy. Now you can listen to us on Spotify,

1638
01:22:23.039 --> 01:22:27.000
Apple Podcasts, and your favorite other platforms if you want

1639
01:22:27.039 --> 01:22:29.640
to reach and of course social media. We're on Instagram

1640
01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:32.079
and Facebook. You want to send us a message, that's

1641
01:22:32.159 --> 01:22:35.640
Don and garydoin sixty at gmail dot com. We're also

1642
01:22:35.680 --> 01:22:38.600
in blue sky. I mean, we're everywhere, where aren't we where?

1643
01:22:38.800 --> 01:22:39.840
Exactly? Where are we? Not?

1644
01:22:40.399 --> 01:22:40.640
Right?

1645
01:22:40.880 --> 01:22:44.279
So come back and check out this as often as possible.

1646
01:22:44.720 --> 01:22:46.960
And when you check us out on those platforms, be

1647
01:22:47.039 --> 01:22:50.039
sure to like, subscribe, leave us a message via the

1648
01:22:50.920 --> 01:22:53.880
pod page. You can leave a voice on message, write

1649
01:22:53.880 --> 01:22:56.880
a review, can they add photos.

1650
01:22:56.399 --> 01:23:00.560
Or you can actually contribute to the blog if you'd

1651
01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:03.119
like to. Okay, and I think I'm not sure that's

1652
01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:05.720
a good question. I will share some of the voicemails

1653
01:23:05.720 --> 01:23:08.399
we've gotten now because I want everyone to start doing

1654
01:23:08.399 --> 01:23:08.920
it right.

1655
01:23:09.279 --> 01:23:11.880
And there's pressure, but there's no pressure. But we'd love

1656
01:23:11.920 --> 01:23:14.800
for you to send us a message, leave a voicemail,

1657
01:23:14.800 --> 01:23:16.760
a sage email us, whatever you should.

1658
01:23:16.920 --> 01:23:17.039
You know.

1659
01:23:17.159 --> 01:23:18.840
With that said, I think we're done.

1660
01:23:19.039 --> 01:23:21.680
Okay, you have a great weekend, Gary, Thank you you too.

1661
01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:22.560
I'll talk to you soon.

1662
01:23:22.920 --> 01:23:23.680
Bye bye,