July 27, 2025

S2E11 "Ain't Nobody Got Time For That" -Special Guest Chris Martha

S2E11 "Ain't Nobody Got Time For That" -Special Guest Chris Martha

🎙️ Don & Gary Doin' 60 – where the only thing older than their jokes is their knees. This week, the fellas pull off the unthinkable: they actually let their guest talk. 😲 Joining them is the illustrious Chris Martha—early retiree, aspiring...

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Season 2

🎙️ Don & Gary Doin' 60 – where the only thing older than their jokes is their knees.
This week, the fellas pull off the unthinkable: they actually let their guest talk. 😲 Joining them is the illustrious Chris Martha—early retiree, aspiring guitar god (he owns two, thank you very much), and proud member of the “I’ve got big plans, but let me nap first” club.
In their fan-favorite segment “Ain’t Nobody Got Time For That!”, Don, Gary, and Chris air out life’s little annoyances—from slow Wi-Fi to people who don’t return shopping carts.
Chris opens up about walking away from the 9-to-5 grind, strumming into a new musical chapter, and contemplating what’s next… maybe a band, maybe a bakery, maybe just a hammock.
Tune in for laughs, midlife wisdom, and proof that turning 60 doesn’t mean slowing down—just... napping more intentionally.
💬 Like, Comment, and Subscribe if you’ve ever said “I could totally start a band” while holding a guitar you barely know how to tune.


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Ship that you throw. Hi, I enough of Gary air ever.

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Good morning, Don, Good morning?

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How are you?

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I'm good and I'm good Those of you that don't know, like,

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like you don't know already my name is second, but

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really I am the star.

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So is it like that today? It's like that?

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Okay, it's like Don and Gary, I'm doing sixty.

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Can I mean you over here? Just speak with me

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for a minute over.

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Here, We'll be right back.

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We'll be right back.

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Whack.

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Anyways, that's how are you. Everything's good?

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Yeah, it's a gloomy Sunday, but you know.

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Not digging.

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This is that weather pattern and I hate so much

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because it's basically we're just jumping in April soon to

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be May, which is basically May gray, June gloom.

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And I don't like it. Me No, I like it.

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We're supposed to be like on the first of a

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four day rain spell. But you know, we'll see what happened.

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Yeah, rain this morning too. I was just like, oh God,

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I lived. I moved to the beach for a reason.

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It wasn't for this.

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No, but you get plenty of sunny days.

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Come on, well not until after like you know, May,

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mid May or something. I can't wait. I need it now.

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This hair requires no humidity.

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You can always go to your other house and Palm Springs.

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Which one.

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It's driving across town from one to the other. It's

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like there's a lot to do. I'm just kidding. So

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I've been watching real quick, I'll jump into this. I've

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been watching The Residents. Have you seen that yet?

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I've heard it about it? Is that on Netflix?

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It is on Netflix and actually with the woman who

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start who was in Orange is the New Black?

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As crazy as I've seen a clip of it, it looks.

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Good, phenomenal. She is a wonderful actor. I love her.

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She also was in a really good series where she

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played a psychiatrist on Showtime or HBO, and it was

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really wonderful.

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I remember you talking about that, but that only lasted

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like one season, maybe a couple of seasons.

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I don't know if they brought it back or whatever.

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It was jump right into COVID, but you know, otherwise,

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really great. What do you are you bringing anything?

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Fun? Right now?

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There is a show that's was on NBC.

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And of course the name is Skagen right now, and

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I downloaded the NBC app because suppose you could watch

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it there.

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I saw the first episode. Great, I want to watch

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more of this, and then it's like, oh, you have

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to pay, like son of a bitch, that's why I'm

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not paying. No, there's way too many channels out there

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watch this.

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Okay, I move on.

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Speaking of you know shows, I have to bring this up.

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I hate criticizing our people, but there's a new show

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that just started this week on Hulu. Yeah on paper

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great guest Nathan Lane, Matt Bohmer, there's another gentleman who

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I don't I've not seen him before, but he's one

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of the three main characters. And then Linda Lavin plays

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Nathan Lane's mother. They filmed one season. She passed away

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towards the end of season one, so they apparently in

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the ten episodes they worked her death into the episode

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number nine and they're waiting to hear if there's a

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second season.

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So it just premiered like two days ago.

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I fat and I guess people have already seen previews

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of it, and most of the comments like I love it,

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I love it.

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The clips i've.

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Seen, Yeah, we don't always hit it when we try

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and do the LGBTQ plus series thing. I've read a

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lot of think people. One thing I hear that they

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really dislike most is the off track.

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Okay, and apparently they're trying to be Hulu. I've not

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seen it. I've only seen little clips.

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I've not seen it either, but I hear the same

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mixed reviews on it. It's just like, I sure, hope so,

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but I'm not convinced. Even though my ex Matt Bomber

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is on there. You know he you know, before I

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broke it off with him, he decided to follow up

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this show prospect and.

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Me behind the scene scoop or you know, yeah, under

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the cover.

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He's a little bitter about the breakup, so we don't

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talk anymore.

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Okay, but you're not bitter, but I don't.

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I don't like to talk about it either. It's a

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little uncomfortable. Okay.

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Well, one thing I won't talk about after this episode

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because I've brought it up a couple of times. You

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and I were talking the other day and I was

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walking to an appointment and I said, I'll tell you

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on the podcast what the point was.

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And we'd say it an hour. We have to wait

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till we come back from the break.

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Oh, okay. The good teas Okay, up to you. Let's

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let's do the break and then I'll well, you are.

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Co executive producer, so yeah, but my pay doesn't show it.

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Okay.

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So in contract subset A subset B, it shows that

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when you signed the contract and you received your first

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hundred million dollars for doing this podcast, there are some

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certain things that you agree to that your lawyers looked

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through before you signed anything.

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So live it along, Grace, come on.

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Okay, I guess we'll close it and let's get back

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to it now.

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I forget because it's a Sunday worrying. Do we talk

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about what we're talking about on the podcast now or

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when we come back?

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What is that bell sound?

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That's a timer? That's that's the bell should be going

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off in your head saying I don't know.

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Oh yeah, that was me.

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I was.

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I was sending message to you saying I don't know.

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We you know what, we own this show. We can

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do whatever we want, okay, and.

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You know what, We're gonna take a break, we're gonna

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come right back and then we're gonna share your.

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Your teas and then tell people what we're gonna talk.

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Yes, so we'll be right back folks and everyone just

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calm down, no, you know, and we're back well.

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And for our listeners and watchers, who are we?

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We are Don and Gary doing sixty. We're here to

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unwrap and unpack navigating the world at this age. Yes,

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you can find us on the podcasts and Spotify and

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wherever amazing podcasts are found. We're also on Instagram at

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Don Andngary doing sixty. We're also on YouTube on p

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fiver pod Don and Gary doing sixty and soon to

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be Blue Sky?

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Is Blue Sky only audio? Or is it audio and video?

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It's audio and video.

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I've been doing some perusing through it because I'd like

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to start following some specifically interest groups that are part

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of the podcasting world.

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So I'm trying to sort a perus of.

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That sid It's not really hitting like with all eight

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cylinders just yet, but it's got to be momentum. It's

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a lot less caustic, it is somewhat political, but it

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is a lot less toxic and betriolic adriolic. It's a

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lot less mean basically, So that's why we're doing it anyway. Sorry, gery,

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we got to jump along with them. Where do you

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want to drop your bomb?

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Well, it's not I would call a bomb, but it's

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just it's just I just was laughing because as you

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and I were having a conversation today, I was heading

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to an appointment to get my technis shot. I brought

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it up like time, so now I can cross it

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off the list go on, because last week I had

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an appointment with my primary care doctor. Yes, because it

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had been a year and just kind of checking in,

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and that was one thing on my list of questions.

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Was like, hey, you know it's come up on my podcast.

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I didn't say that, but it's come up in conversation

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and I don't recall ever doing it.

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And he's like, yeah, I do it.

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So I did take it, and it is. It's called

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actually the t DAP. It's a three prong vaccination that

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covers tetanus, diphtheria, and protessis. So as I mentioned before,

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tetanus is basically a lockjab. Yes, it causes painful stiffening

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of the muscles. Dip theory can lead to difficulty breathing,

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heart failure, paralysis, or death.

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We don't have time for that, No, we don't. Nobody

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got time for that.

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And then protussis also known as whooping cough can cause

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uncontrollable violent coughing that makes it hard to breed, eat,

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or drink. So this one vaccination covers all those three

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and they say adults who have never received tea DApp

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should get a dose of it and receive a booster

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dose every ten years. So, like I said, if we

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had it and you're supposed to have it as a

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child as well as a child, I don't recall too

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many years ago. As an adult, I can pretty much

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say never had it, So check out off the list.

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Ten years from now, I get a booster how about you.

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Good to know I was only a mere embryo when

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I probably had my tetanus shots. But I do remember

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all of those different illnesses coming up as something I

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would hear growing up in the sixties. There was something

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you heard more about whooping cough, mom's measles, all those

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other things that in lockjaw, that kind of thing that

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the tetanists Shop is supposed to prevent. So yeah, I

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absolutely will definitely check. Because I went back to my

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doctor recently. We need to jump into who we're talking

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to and what we're doing this week.

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So we have another guest of the under the umbrella

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of ain't nobody got time for that. This is someone

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who you may have met at one of my parties.

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Maybe maybe not, but he is a friend of mine.

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I know him through his wife. They've been married. I'm

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gonna I would.

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Say thirty years, but he'll he'll confirm.

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I've known his wife since I was a teenager or

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in my early twenties. She grew up in Sanmitao, but

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we did not go to the same schools because she

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was in a different part of Sanmitto. Okay, so different elementary,

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middle and high school. But I wanted to bring him

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on because he is a member of the club, and

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you know, we talk about retirement.

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I'm going to confirm with him. I think he retired

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early okay, recently went back to work.

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Interesting Okay, and.

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Then yeah, so different things they'll come up. Yeah, so

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he'll join us in about four minutes.

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Okay. So I didn't mean to rush you on your bomb.

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No, you know it wasn't really bombed. But since you

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mentioned vaccinations, yes, you know a current topic as you

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mentioned measles. There's an outbreak in five states right now.

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Yes, yes, I've read about that, and I believe that

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I don't know how much we want to dive into

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why that might be happening or the prevention for it

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that is not going to happen.

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We know how, we know who.

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But we know if you know, you know, just so

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you know.

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So what's new in your world?

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Well, let's see, we are going we were going to

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do a lot of gardening and irrigation today, but since

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it's raining, we're taking a pass and doing a lot

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of binge walking or watching instead.

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Okay, so you know, things are fine.

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Let's see, back on the exercise routine, back on the

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routine that is more health driven because I have to say,

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of lacking with the consistency on working out and using

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my growing machine.

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So yeah, that's actually been good.

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I had to take last week off because someone had

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the dogs. So someone me, Yeah, had to take care

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I've I've been trying to be

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more consistent boy going to the gym, and I haven't

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posted of the Gary chronicles only because I'm in this

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kind of holding area where once I hit the forty

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pound loss point, it's like, okay, we'll just keep going,

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and I've kind of stuck. I don't know why. Yes,

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I plateaued, and you know I don't like that. I

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want to continue on the journey no plateau.

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with people on a either a weight loss, working out,

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gaining losing. Everyone hits a certain mark and then you

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just have to be consistent through that plateau to get

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That's stressing about it, But it is like, you know, Pat,

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the next post, I can.

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Say, hey, I've lost fifty backs.

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it's forty two and then I lose one, then I

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gain two, and I lose three.

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So it's just well, but let me ask you this,

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and you don't have to tell her if you want to,

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but I expect you to. Like the stock market, people

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recommend that you don't watch it very often, that you

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don't because if you're checking. Let's say you're checking your

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financial portfolio, and you go to the stock market every

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day and check it whether it's up or down, or

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up or down. You can't really time out the market

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to hit a good time to invest or sell or

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whatever the thing might be said about checking your weight,

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because you do have to put that time into be consistent.

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So do you check regularly?

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So my routine since I started on the you know,

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handy daddy, right here next to.

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My computer, because that way you have to say, I

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get up and then I come and sit down and I'm.

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Gonna calm mm hm because your blood pressure.

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Chris, Martha, what are you doing here?

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Oh? Can I stop us all for a second here

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for a second, Gary, can I speak with you over

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here for a second.

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Why why is that?

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Well, remember we discussed this, that Chris would have to

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shave his head to come on to the podcast because

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no one can have better hair than me on this show.

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Yes, for our listeners, not just feel I'm threatened because

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our guest has nicer hair than Don.

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Yeah, well Don, the good thing is that's the only

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thing I got going for me, So hope please, So

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you're you're yeah, way above.

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I don't buy that.

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But if you read your contracts or when we sent

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it to check for doing the show, which was multi

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thousand dollars deal that we signed, we agreed that you

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would shave your head before you came on.

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Luckily, my my hairstylist was was was out of town.

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Oh shoot, okay, well we'll wait.

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Tech you question, Don, is Chris's volume good for you

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or does need to go up a little bit?

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Chris, I think you just talked to me. Start sing

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a song.

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What's your favorite if you were a singer, what would

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your number one hit be?

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Don't stop believe?

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Okay, okay, good, we'll call you on that one.

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Yeah, no, you're good.

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So Chris, Martha, welcome to our podcast.

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Thank you, it's wonderful to be here.

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Before you joined us, I mentioned to Don that i've

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known you.

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I was going to say at least thirty years. How

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long have you Enjoyce been married.

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So we're about to hit twenty six years, okay, coming

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up in a month or so.

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So, yeah, it's been.

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It's been, you know, right around the twenty seven I guess,

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I guess, you.

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Know, twenty seven, twenty eight years or so?

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When right?

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So I mentioned that I've known Joyce since I was

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either a teenager or in my twenties.

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Yes, I'm known for roughly forty years.

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Wow.

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Well you know our kids call you uncle Gary, so

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you're part of the family.

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Yeah, so I knew Joyce's are single, and then I

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was invited to their wedding, and then they've got two

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kids who are now in their mid till mid.

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Yes, yeah, wow, yeah, so yeah, it's and they've lived

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close by, so it's been a nice a long friendship.

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Just saw them a couple weeks ago. But anyway, so welcome, yeah,

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and welcome to the club.

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It's an honor to be here. I gotta you know,

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I gotta.

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Admit it's my first podcast, so I'm a little nervous.

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No, I don't want to screw this up for you guys, but.

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Well it's contractually you can't do that because you've signed

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away your life and if you do screw.

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It up, we get to you for everyone everything.

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So yeah, fine, So Chris, were you like me that

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prior to Don and I starting the previous podcast, I'd

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never listened to a podcast.

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Are you a podcast listener?

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I had never listened to a podcast. You know.

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Actually, Gary, I think you were the first one who

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really when you mentioned your your previous podcast, I was like, oh.

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That's pretty cool.

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But you know, what's what's this podcast stuff all about?

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And that really did get my interest in the whole

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concept of podcasting and and you know, to be honest,

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it was it was you got me thinking, hmmm, maybe

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I can look at doing a podcast with my four

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brothers who are all back Easton in New England, because

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we we did a couple of zooms over covid and

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you know, we found out it was fun.

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To get together and I was I was like, well.

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Maybe maybe we can put together a podcast if I

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can maybe learn something from you guys.

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Right, Well, it's a great way because you're on opposite coast.

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It's a great way to stay in touch because you

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don't get to physically see each other very often, right,

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And that's kind of what started with Don and I

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and our friend John, was that we're all living in

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different cities in California and that we can't get together,

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you know, in person a lot. So that was what

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started as and what you want to do with your brothers,

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share stories, make memories, and that's how this got started.

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Everybody loves stories, Chris, and if you're I'm sure your

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family and your brothers have great stories that you tell.

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And people love to listen to stories too, So I

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think it's a great idea. People love to archive memories

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like this for family, for their children, for their grandchildren,

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for people coming because you know, the internet is forever,

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so you know, if you didn't make some recordings, I

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think that'd be a great way to archive for your

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family some history and maybe they're your family and other

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people could enjoy and learn stories that they might have

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heard before.

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Absolutely.

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Yeah, I think you know now that there's you know,

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all all all of us brothers, others, five boys, no girls,

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my mom. I think you know, if she wanted a

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girl and after five she was like, Okay, that's it.

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Cut it off.

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The shop is closed closed.

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But yeah, we all, you know, we all have kids

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and and and now grandkids are entering the picture.

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And it's totally agree.

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It's a great way to you know, share stories with

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the next generation.

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And can I ask you quickly because I have in

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laws that live in Worcester, are you anywhere near Worcester

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or Worcester, Worcester, Worster wister Withsta it's actually Withsta called Worcester.

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I don't get it.

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You know, way back in college days I went I

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went to school in Boston, and you know, we were

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I was actually born in Massachusetts, you know, and we

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kind of traveled around New England.

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But yeah, we we we know, we know Worcester.

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And so you're the only rebel that that ventured westward.

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I am the rebel that ventured westward.

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I it's kind of funny, I guess, you know, I

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call myself the black Sheep. But you know, I had

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always known from I don't know, I don't know what age,

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but I always wanted to go to California somehow someway

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and it's It's a weird story how I got out here,

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but but it I actually did have a brother that

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followed me, my youngest brother.

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Who's uh, who's a musician. He wanted to come out

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and check out San Francisco.

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So after I was out here, I was living with

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a friend, a good friend from work. We had rented

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a house in Mountain View, California, and we had an

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extra bedroom and we said, yeah, come on out.

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And it was my youngest brother, Kenny, who.

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Ended up moving up to San Francisco and finding a

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room rent where the woman who was renting the room

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out happened to be Joyce's old college roommate.

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Really, so my friend, my brother.

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When my now wife Joyce was looking transitioning from her

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old apartment to look for a place to buy, she

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got the extra.

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Bedroom that they had and with her.

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Old college roommate, and my youngest brother said, hey, Chris,

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you got to you gotta meet this girl who just

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moved in here. And it's my youngest brother who introduced

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me to Joyce, who is really a wife of almost

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twenty six years.

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So yeah, he was out. He was out in San Francisco.

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I think he was looking to try to get and

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break into music career, and it worked a little bit,

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but not quite enough, and he ended up moving back East.

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But he served his purpose of introducing me to Joyce

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and then and then he left.

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That's rest. So I'm sorry. I'm sorry if I missed spart.

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But when you moved to California, was it for work,

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for school or you just wanted to move?

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It was for work, So my I'll try to keep

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this short.

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But you know, I was in school in Boston, and

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the school I was at was called Northeastern University. But

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there their big attraction was what they called cooperative education

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or co op, where six months.

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Of the year you're in school. You know, you're in class.

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The other six months of the year they send you

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out to work in your field and you actually earn

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a paycheck. So but it's also really gaining experience. So

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by the time you graduate, if you've done a pretty

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good job, that you'll have a job waiting for you.

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So my field of study was computer.

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Science, and I had gotten jobs with the IBM at

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various places from from school.

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So I started off actually.

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In New York and then and then I got called

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down to IBM in Houston, Texas of all places with

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working with NASA down there in Houston, we have a problem. Yeah,

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I ended up after graduating, I ended up moving down

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to Houston and I worked with IBM for a little while.

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of other folks that were just you know, single and

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in their early mid twenties and looking to you know,

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have fun.

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And it was IBM that.

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Sent me out to Palo Alto helped this little tiny

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startup company get their software working on IBM computers. This

478
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is back in the eighties and back in the late eighties,

479
00:22:56.240 --> 00:22:57.440
and that.

480
00:22:57.319 --> 00:22:59.279
Little startup company offered me a.

481
00:22:59.319 --> 00:23:02.039
Job, and I'm like, okay, I always wanted to go

482
00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:06.240
to California. This I'll this is middle of Silicon Valley.

483
00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:09.759
It seems like things are starting to happen in.

484
00:23:09.720 --> 00:23:12.920
The world with computers. And so I was like, okay,

485
00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:15.480
I'm moving. I'm taking this chance.

486
00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:17.799
And so that was kind of the how I got

487
00:23:17.839 --> 00:23:21.799
to California. You know, It's just it just I just.

488
00:23:21.720 --> 00:23:25.279
Got lucky and lucky and lucky you know, through through.

489
00:23:25.599 --> 00:23:30.720
Just just different opportunities that popped up and yeah, kind

490
00:23:30.720 --> 00:23:31.720
of the rest is history.

491
00:23:31.880 --> 00:23:34.119
So you were basically at the start of the Silicon Valley.

492
00:23:34.599 --> 00:23:35.880
I was right at the start.

493
00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:36.480
Yeah, it was.

494
00:23:36.720 --> 00:23:39.000
It was I was the one guy in the company

495
00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:44.599
that got to take home a the original little Mac.

496
00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:47.880
This little the rectangular one, the square one.

497
00:23:47.720 --> 00:23:49.640
Where this little square box.

498
00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:53.720
Yeah, and my roommate, like I mentioned before, I lived

499
00:23:53.759 --> 00:23:57.599
with My best friend was was guy I worked with

500
00:23:57.920 --> 00:24:02.240
happened to be like the genius techie guy at work.

501
00:24:02.359 --> 00:24:04.880
And you know, he he was like, all right, we're

502
00:24:04.880 --> 00:24:05.839
gonna make this thing.

503
00:24:05.839 --> 00:24:09.079
We're gonna we're gonna start doing this stuff called email, right,

504
00:24:09.200 --> 00:24:10.880
you know, and we're going to start you know. So

505
00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:14.640
it was like email before you know, people had email,

506
00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:15.519
and I'm.

507
00:24:15.359 --> 00:24:17.279
Like, this is this is cool?

508
00:24:17.319 --> 00:24:17.519
You know.

509
00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:21.319
So it was really the beginning of Silicon Valley, but

510
00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:26.480
we didn't quite know how how big it was going

511
00:24:26.559 --> 00:24:29.799
to explode. But it was funny to like I said,

512
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:32.799
I look back, and it seems like I've just been

513
00:24:33.079 --> 00:24:35.279
lucky to be in the right place at the right time.

514
00:24:35.839 --> 00:24:37.960
And I'd like to say I was smart enough to

515
00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:39.079
know to.

516
00:24:39.039 --> 00:24:41.039
Be in the right place at the right time, but ah,

517
00:24:41.680 --> 00:24:44.640
I was just we'll go with that, We'll go with that, okay.

518
00:24:44.680 --> 00:24:46.279
So anyhow, so.

519
00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:48.440
I wanted to jump ahead because I was telling Don

520
00:24:48.519 --> 00:24:50.880
that at and whether it was that company or another

521
00:24:50.920 --> 00:24:53.839
company that you work for for several years, did you

522
00:24:53.920 --> 00:24:56.680
retire early than the traditional retirement age.

523
00:24:56.880 --> 00:24:58.880
So once again, another lucky story.

524
00:24:59.039 --> 00:25:01.759
So the first company I joined this when I said,

525
00:25:01.799 --> 00:25:04.720
I moved out to California for this little startup. So

526
00:25:05.200 --> 00:25:08.680
I worked with this smaller company. We got pretty successful,

527
00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:13.880
and then they got purchased by Reuters, which is a

528
00:25:13.920 --> 00:25:18.200
British company. The guy that was sort of managing the

529
00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:20.880
other company said, come on over to us.

530
00:25:21.119 --> 00:25:23.440
You know exactly.

531
00:25:23.160 --> 00:25:26.039
Well we do. You know how it works. You will

532
00:25:26.079 --> 00:25:30.480
fit right in. The next company was called Tibco Tibco Software.

533
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:35.000
Which I then spent the next twenty years with and

534
00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:39.039
the big and it's kind of like in the early nineties.

535
00:25:40.480 --> 00:25:44.880
They ended up going public and right at the right time,

536
00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:49.200
right when the Internet was just any company called dot

537
00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:53.599
com was just going crazy. When it went public, things

538
00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:58.000
went kind of crazy. And once again lucky to be

539
00:25:58.039 --> 00:25:59.440
in the right place at the right time.

540
00:25:59.559 --> 00:26:01.240
Timing is everything, I guess.

541
00:26:01.359 --> 00:26:04.319
So a lot of us old timers twenty plus years

542
00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:08.839
were given the option of taking an early retirement package.

543
00:26:08.920 --> 00:26:12.440
I was thinking, Okay, what would I want to do next?

544
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:15.400
That's always the question that we ask people too. Yeah,

545
00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:17.599
if you were all of a sudden given basically the

546
00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:18.480
golden key.

547
00:26:18.400 --> 00:26:21.680
I was, I was, and I'm like, Okay, I wonder

548
00:26:21.920 --> 00:26:25.920
if I could follow another dream of mine of getting

549
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:31.240
into the music industry and starting a starting up a

550
00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:34.519
music company that would help musicians, you.

551
00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:38.119
Know, really become their own.

552
00:26:37.559 --> 00:26:40.839
Bosses and not have to give away all of the

553
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:44.720
proceeds to write the record companies, if you will. And

554
00:26:45.079 --> 00:26:49.400
so I had met a friend that was wanting to

555
00:26:49.440 --> 00:26:52.440
do the same thing, and he was already in the

556
00:26:52.519 --> 00:26:56.319
music industry, and so we said, all right, let's try

557
00:26:56.359 --> 00:27:00.480
to put together a little startup where sort of give

558
00:27:00.640 --> 00:27:07.440
musicians a different opportunity where they can, you know, own

559
00:27:07.640 --> 00:27:10.319
their own intellectual property, if you will.

560
00:27:10.680 --> 00:27:13.759
So that say they write a song and it.

561
00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:17.599
Gets pulled into a Coca Cola commercial or something like.

562
00:27:17.599 --> 00:27:20.400
That, that they they own it. It's not like the

563
00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:22.440
record company owns it and they don't get.

564
00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:24.880
There and they get a percentage, right, And so this

565
00:27:25.079 --> 00:27:27.880
was kind of an experiment, and I would say the

566
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:31.599
one so I learned a lot of lessons in this,

567
00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:34.400
you know, trying to build your own startup experiment.

568
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:36.799
First most important lesson is.

569
00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:42.839
Make sure you really enjoy being around the people that

570
00:27:43.400 --> 00:27:48.279
you're partnering with and that you're on the same vision forward.

571
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:50.720
I kind of thought we were, but in the end

572
00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:54.000
it turned out we were. We sort of had different visions.

573
00:27:54.599 --> 00:27:57.000
So anyhow, where are your musical tastes?

574
00:27:57.279 --> 00:27:59.000
Chris? Where do you? Where do you land?

575
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:00.559
So I'm more of a.

576
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:05.079
You know, I'm kind of more of an old time

577
00:28:05.519 --> 00:28:09.000
rock and roll you know, Jackson Brown.

578
00:28:09.000 --> 00:28:13.680
Rolling Stones, rolling Stones, rolling Stones, so very different worlds.

579
00:28:13.680 --> 00:28:14.680
We're talking about R and B.

580
00:28:14.880 --> 00:28:18.559
Yeah, rock and roll, h R and B rock and roll.

581
00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:20.720
And I'm like, well we can, I'm sure we can,

582
00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:24.839
you know, kind of merge these things together. And that

583
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:27.720
really wasn't working and it was going sure, and it

584
00:28:27.759 --> 00:28:29.519
was kind of going in the opposite direction.

585
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:31.480
And I'm like, you know, this is yeah, But I

586
00:28:31.519 --> 00:28:33.519
mean just the undertaking of a business like that, just

587
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.039
the legality side of it, there must be a lot.

588
00:28:36.119 --> 00:28:39.279
The thing the thing about I find admirable about that

589
00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:42.319
is that you took the stride to do something following

590
00:28:42.400 --> 00:28:44.839
kind of a passion of yours. Plus you probably, as

591
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:48.519
you said, learned a great deal from the experience. It

592
00:28:48.599 --> 00:28:50.960
might not have gone where you had thought or projected

593
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:53.519
it to go, but I'm sure you took a lot

594
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:54.599
of things back with you.

595
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:56.599
Yeah, from that learning experience, right.

596
00:28:56.720 --> 00:29:03.160
Absolutely, absolutely so. So the experience itself was great for learning.

597
00:29:03.319 --> 00:29:07.359
And you know, if I ever want to try doing

598
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:11.160
something like this again, I will have a lot more

599
00:29:11.319 --> 00:29:14.599
knowledge and a lot, you know, a lot better idea

600
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:16.359
of how to put it together.

601
00:29:16.519 --> 00:29:18.000
When I look back, it.

602
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:20.440
Was good to go through it, or there were times

603
00:29:20.440 --> 00:29:23.359
that were a little bit painful because you get these

604
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:27.599
relationships going and then it's like I disconnect myself from this.

605
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:30.759
It's kind of like going through a divorce or something.

606
00:29:31.200 --> 00:29:33.079
I have that thought with Gary every time we hit

607
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:37.519
the record button. But let me ask you something real quick.

608
00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:38.640
How many guitars do you own?

609
00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:44.680
I have two guitars, but okay not Yeah, so music

610
00:29:45.160 --> 00:29:48.400
still is very big for me.

611
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:52.519
So it more is you know, when I think about

612
00:29:52.799 --> 00:29:55.920
what do I really like about music? Almost everybody on

613
00:29:55.960 --> 00:30:00.079
the planet has some form of music that can it

614
00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:04.200
can connect with. It's not always going to be what

615
00:30:04.559 --> 00:30:07.559
music I like or whatever. But I think music has

616
00:30:07.599 --> 00:30:11.680
a an emotional element to it that people can connect

617
00:30:11.680 --> 00:30:15.000
with and for sure, so I really like when I

618
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.960
think looking forward, when I think about, you know, what

619
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:21.799
would I like to be doing, you know, later in life,

620
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:26.000
is it really is musically involved, But I think it's

621
00:30:26.079 --> 00:30:29.359
more probably on a personal level, it's more about making

622
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:33.519
music and creating it, so the whole creative process.

623
00:30:33.119 --> 00:30:36.039
And you know, getting getting my own little.

624
00:30:36.200 --> 00:30:39.519
View of perspective or message out to the world, you know,

625
00:30:39.799 --> 00:30:43.480
in some sort of positive way, hopefully make a positive

626
00:30:43.519 --> 00:30:44.319
message out there.

627
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:46.240
So you'd like to be in front of the microphone?

628
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:46.920
Is that the point?

629
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:54.079
You know I've always secretly told myself, I would.

630
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:56.559
Like to be in front of the microphone, okay.

631
00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:59.920
To just to try it, not to be Mick Jagger,

632
00:31:01.039 --> 00:31:03.960
you know, uh as fun as that probably would be,

633
00:31:04.680 --> 00:31:09.799
you know, uh more just to uh you know, get

634
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:15.000
over that little fear factor of you know, you can

635
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:15.400
do this.

636
00:31:15.920 --> 00:31:17.039
You know, you enjoy it.

637
00:31:17.119 --> 00:31:20.240
You enjoy it yourself in your you know, in your

638
00:31:20.799 --> 00:31:22.640
your your your bedroom.

639
00:31:22.279 --> 00:31:25.759
You know, just playing without without anybody else there.

640
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:27.319
You know, it's really fun.

641
00:31:27.880 --> 00:31:30.119
So I think it would be a dream of mine

642
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:33.200
to eventually get out there on open mic night at

643
00:31:33.480 --> 00:31:34.839
the coffee shop or whatever.

644
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:36.680
Well, I was just gonna ask have you ever looked

645
00:31:36.720 --> 00:31:38.599
into I mean, because they've got to be open mic

646
00:31:38.720 --> 00:31:42.240
nights or you know, set up a little area in

647
00:31:42.279 --> 00:31:44.519
the corner of a farmer's market, right and just start playing.

648
00:31:44.559 --> 00:31:46.200
Well, there's a lot of people around, you.

649
00:31:46.160 --> 00:31:49.680
Know, I'm one of those guys that goes to the

650
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:52.839
open mic night or the farmer's market and and watches

651
00:31:53.119 --> 00:31:57.240
you know, and and and loves loves the uh, the

652
00:31:57.319 --> 00:32:00.279
courage of these people, you know, to to it up

653
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:02.799
there because you can tell, you know, some of them

654
00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:06.519
are their first time trying it, and and I'm like, okay,

655
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:08.359
that's that's courtage right there.

656
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:10.480
That's you know, I want to be like that.

657
00:32:11.039 --> 00:32:12.319
Okay, But I have to ask you. One of the

658
00:32:12.359 --> 00:32:14.599
questions I sent over to you was, what's your karaoke

659
00:32:14.720 --> 00:32:16.920
go to song? Do you have a karaoke go to song?

660
00:32:17.119 --> 00:32:20.319
You know? Mind so you know, you know when we

661
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.279
started off and you said sing a song into the

662
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:26.680
you know, I can't sing like Steve Perry and Journey

663
00:32:26.799 --> 00:32:29.720
or something like that, but you know I like songs

664
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:34.599
like Don't Stop Believing. Yeah, I like positive You know, like, right,

665
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:37.319
you can do this, you know. So that's kind of

666
00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:40.599
my whole life is, you know, never give up, you know,

667
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:42.599
just keep pushing forward.

668
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:43.799
You'll make it happen.

669
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:47.599
So I kind of like that's the first thing that popped.

670
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:47.799
Into my head.

671
00:32:47.839 --> 00:32:48.680
Don't stop believing.

672
00:32:49.119 --> 00:32:51.559
Even though I can't sing it, I don't know you

673
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:53.839
know who can sing it in that at that level.

674
00:32:54.920 --> 00:32:57.160
But you know what, you don't have to be Steve Pets.

675
00:32:57.279 --> 00:32:59.079
That's going to be your version of you.

676
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:00.319
That's right.

677
00:33:00.440 --> 00:33:02.599
Whether it's that I would create a song or another

678
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:03.519
one similar to it.

679
00:33:03.440 --> 00:33:05.960
But I like that sort of that vibe, you know,

680
00:33:06.480 --> 00:33:10.240
get people and get people, you know, move in and

681
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:12.680
in a positive way, dancing and stuff like that.

682
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:14.839
Well, I was gonna say, I appreciate the story of you,

683
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:19.440
you know, actually taking steps to start this music company

684
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.240
on your own, because well, not everyone has an opportunity

685
00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:25.400
to do that. I think coming out of the pandemic,

686
00:33:25.440 --> 00:33:29.200
a lot of people took that opportunity to follow their

687
00:33:29.279 --> 00:33:31.799
dream to do something that maybe they wouldn't have done

688
00:33:32.240 --> 00:33:34.640
because they were set in their nine to five job

689
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:37.440
and even though they thought about this dream they had,

690
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:39.480
they never did it because you know how can I

691
00:33:39.519 --> 00:33:41.680
do it? And but coming out of the pandemic, I

692
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:43.480
think a lot of people said, you know what, it's

693
00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:46.680
why not now? Yeah, yeah, so you didn't do it

694
00:33:46.759 --> 00:33:49.599
during the pandemic, but you you you did it so

695
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.319
that you wouldn't have to look back later in life

696
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:53.960
and say I wish I would have.

697
00:33:54.240 --> 00:33:57.200
That's exactly that's exactly right, that's exactly right.

698
00:33:57.039 --> 00:33:57.440
And I got it.

699
00:33:57.759 --> 00:34:01.720
And I do have to thank my wife Joyce for saying,

700
00:34:01.920 --> 00:34:06.359
you know, go for it. You know, now's now's the time,

701
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:08.360
and you don't want to look back and say I

702
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:09.599
wish I'd tried it.

703
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:10.360
And stuff like that.

704
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:12.679
You know, when I when.

705
00:34:12.519 --> 00:34:15.079
I realized it it wasn't working, you know, it was

706
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:18.440
kind of like, hey, we just have to we just

707
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:20.719
have to pull the band aid off. We just have

708
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:24.280
to say, okay, this this isn't working. Let's you know,

709
00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:27.559
let's cut it off and and go our own ways.

710
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:30.960
And then you know, I was thinking, Okay, this is

711
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:34.760
kind of like my second mini retirement.

712
00:34:35.280 --> 00:34:37.039
So I started to think about what am I what

713
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:38.119
are we going to do.

714
00:34:38.119 --> 00:34:39.599
Next, What's next?

715
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:40.639
What's next?

716
00:34:40.800 --> 00:34:42.239
Well, what was next was COVID.

717
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:46.679
It hit right when and then everything.

718
00:34:46.880 --> 00:34:49.119
Sort of the bottom fell out, like, okay, we have

719
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:52.159
to we have to figure out what the world is

720
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:55.400
doing right now and what we're allowed.

721
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.000
To do and things like that. So for the next

722
00:34:57.039 --> 00:35:00.880
several years really kind of shut down, and and when

723
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:01.800
things kind.

724
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:06.199
Of opened back up, we started had moved from Palo

725
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:09.280
Alto up to where we live now, which is Mill

726
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:12.679
Valley up right across Mill Valley's right across the Golden

727
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:15.920
Gate Bridge from San Francisco, and we find.

728
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:18.280
This is like a many little.

729
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:22.519
Secret paradise place because it's yeah, I don't know if

730
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.320
you can see behind me, Oh, it's just trees and

731
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:26.159
you know, we.

732
00:35:26.199 --> 00:35:27.840
Got Yeah, it's really typed away.

733
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:31.199
Yeah, and it's nature, beautiful nature, and you might even

734
00:35:31.239 --> 00:35:34.000
see deer literally walk behind.

735
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:38.039
Me as we're talking. But it's also fifteen minutes you're

736
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:39.599
in San Francisco.

737
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:43.199
Right, you know, And it's it's a beautiful kind of

738
00:35:44.559 --> 00:35:48.599
lence between being out in nature and nice and quiet

739
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:50.719
and kind of private. But also when we want to

740
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:53.239
go into the city see a show and whatever, it's

741
00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:56.599
really quick to get in there. And so when COVID

742
00:35:56.840 --> 00:35:59.880
finally opened back up and we started going back into

743
00:35:59.880 --> 00:36:03.039
the city from here, one of the things that we

744
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:08.599
saw clearly every time we went in were tents and encampments,

745
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:11.599
you know, in all these various places, homeless people, and

746
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.000
it seemed to be not getting better.

747
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:17.639
It seemed to be getting worse. And I was every

748
00:36:17.719 --> 00:36:18.360
time we went in.

749
00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:21.320
I was talking to my wife about, you know, what's

750
00:36:21.440 --> 00:36:22.440
who's fixing this?

751
00:36:22.599 --> 00:36:25.880
What's going on here? This just is not getting better.

752
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:28.880
It's it seems to be getting worse. And she was like, well,

753
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:31.239
you've talked about that for years.

754
00:36:31.639 --> 00:36:33.440
You know, what do you want to do about it?

755
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:37.280
And I said, I was like me, I was like, okay,

756
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:40.679
you're right, I have been talking about this, and maybe

757
00:36:40.719 --> 00:36:44.480
I should see if there's anything I can do to help.

758
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:45.920
And so I.

759
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:50.159
Literally checked into is are there any any jobs in

760
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:53.599
San Francisco that where you know, you can actually help

761
00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:57.639
out with this process, and sure enough there were, and

762
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.320
so I went ahead and took one of the these

763
00:37:00.480 --> 00:37:03.599
jobs working for the city of San Francisco.

764
00:37:04.440 --> 00:37:07.039
Basically, it's falls underneath the mayor.

765
00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:12.400
Of helping out with the homeless issue, and it is

766
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:17.679
a uh, it is a real you know, it's a hard,

767
00:37:17.800 --> 00:37:23.480
hard problem and it's you know, I wish I could

768
00:37:23.719 --> 00:37:27.639
tell you that there's a there's a you know, a

769
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:30.000
little pill everybody could take and all of a sudden

770
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:30.719
it would go away.

771
00:37:30.800 --> 00:37:32.079
And but but.

772
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:36.679
That's not the that's not the reality.

773
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:39.000
It's it's will say that.

774
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:43.840
There are a lot of very good people working to

775
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:49.159
try and help and the underlying let's say foundational, you know,

776
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:53.320
the trying to trying to help fix the problem is

777
00:37:53.360 --> 00:37:59.920
what is what's really underneath the services in San Francisco.

778
00:38:00.119 --> 00:38:02.719
And I'm sure San Francisco is just you know, one

779
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:08.000
of many many places around around the country where this

780
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:10.800
is a problem. You know, the good news is that

781
00:38:12.280 --> 00:38:16.519
I think people really are trying to come up with

782
00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:18.119
solutions to help.

783
00:38:18.199 --> 00:38:19.320
And it's.

784
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:25.079
It's not it's not the easiest thing to solve. It's

785
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.599
something that I think is going to take a lot

786
00:38:27.639 --> 00:38:30.679
of different approaches from many different angles.

787
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:33.599
It's gonna say, Chris, I don't think Gary can chime

788
00:38:33.639 --> 00:38:35.760
in too, because he actually is very connected too. But

789
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:38.320
the thing is, I don't know that one strategy is

790
00:38:38.320 --> 00:38:40.119
going to fix the problem.

791
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:46.119
Right, It's really yeah, it's really going to be multiple strategies,

792
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:50.440
multiple groups and services and you know, minds all coming

793
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:55.719
together to make this work. And so so I did

794
00:38:55.840 --> 00:38:59.519
come out of retirement recently have been there now just

795
00:39:00.079 --> 00:39:04.119
for a year, and it has been a very eye

796
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:09.440
opening experience, and I'd say that I will continue to

797
00:39:09.679 --> 00:39:13.440
support with these what these groups are doing. You know,

798
00:39:13.800 --> 00:39:17.199
I am happy to say that there's a lot of smart,

799
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:21.679
good people that really, you know, their entire intention is

800
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:23.280
to is to help make this work.

801
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:26.840
And so I still have just so many different I'm sorry,

802
00:39:26.880 --> 00:39:27.599
go ahead, go ahead.

803
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:29.000
Look, there's so many.

804
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:31.480
Different components because under the umbrella of homelessness, where you

805
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:37.239
have there's the drug part of it, there's the mental health.

806
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:38.280
Yes, and wellness part of it.

807
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:39.320
Very big are.

808
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:42.360
There are folks that maybe because of job loss or

809
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.599
whatever that they suddenly find themselves not able to pay

810
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:48.760
their rent. So they not on drugs, and they don't

811
00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:52.239
have mental health issues, but it's a financial crisis exactly.

812
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:55.039
It's it's just a combination of all of this.

813
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:58.159
And even though yes, to your point, other cities are

814
00:39:58.199 --> 00:40:01.360
experiencing this, at least when I I'm watching or hearing

815
00:40:01.360 --> 00:40:04.239
the news, San Francisco seems to rise to the top

816
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:06.760
in terms of they're getting national tension.

817
00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:08.039
Where it's like then.

818
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:10.360
I'll read a small story about what's happening in Pittsburgh

819
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:13.880
and in Chicago and in Atlanta and then here and there,

820
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:15.920
But those stories don't get covered.

821
00:40:15.960 --> 00:40:18.599
It's all about San Francisco and how yeah.

822
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:21.719
Horrible San Francisco does seem to get a lot a

823
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:22.800
lot of the headlines.

824
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:25.679
I think they're an easy target for people who are

825
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:28.639
detractors from the strategies that are being put into place.

826
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:30.480
I think there's a lot of people that want to

827
00:40:30.480 --> 00:40:32.440
see it fail, just to call it out. And we

828
00:40:32.519 --> 00:40:35.239
know how toxic social media is now and has been

829
00:40:35.280 --> 00:40:37.639
for a long time. So it's hard when you know

830
00:40:37.800 --> 00:40:40.280
all the good things Gary and you know what's happening

831
00:40:40.360 --> 00:40:41.320
that are actually.

832
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.280
Good people, good things, good strategies in place.

833
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:46.239
They just take some time, yes to work right, because

834
00:40:46.239 --> 00:40:48.440
it's not going to happen or fix itself in a month.

835
00:40:48.599 --> 00:40:50.840
And it's been an issue, you know that in other

836
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:52.880
cities as well, but especially in San Francisco. It's you know,

837
00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:57.199
twenty it's been going on for decades, and every mayor

838
00:40:57.280 --> 00:41:00.440
and every department that comes in and touches on it,

839
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:04.000
I mean, they all have good intentions, but it's not something,

840
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:05.360
as you say, you can take a pill you can

841
00:41:05.360 --> 00:41:08.920
snap your fingers and it's done. There's a lot of

842
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:12.960
red tape. There's a lot of the NIMBI groups that

843
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:15.280
come up and like they want to build a homeless

844
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:20.679
shelter not here, or the administration wants to do X.

845
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:24.159
But then there are groups that are advocates for the

846
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:26.480
homeless that you can't do that because you're taking away

847
00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:27.000
their rights.

848
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:28.880
And so there's a lot of push and pull.

849
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:34.320
Yeah, yeah, and the mayor and Department of Housing and

850
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:37.360
Homelessness and so on, they've all got so many obstacles

851
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:40.559
against them, right, right, But in the end, they all

852
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:43.039
have good intention. It's just a matter of what they

853
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:44.840
can do and how quickly they can do it and

854
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:45.960
how much is going to cost.

855
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:49.119
And you know, just to put a little bit of

856
00:41:49.159 --> 00:41:54.400
a positive note on this, there are absolutely what I

857
00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:59.519
would call success stories where folks come in we call

858
00:41:59.559 --> 00:42:03.119
them client and clients come in and maybe they hit

859
00:42:03.400 --> 00:42:06.639
you know, like Gary was talking about the perfect storm

860
00:42:06.679 --> 00:42:10.320
where they lost a job and then the rent got raised,

861
00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:14.320
and you know a number of things happen and they

862
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:18.440
find themselves, you know, out on the streets and where

863
00:42:18.480 --> 00:42:21.960
the services that we have are able to get them

864
00:42:22.000 --> 00:42:24.360
back on their feet able to get them back into

865
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:29.679
the workforce and back into housing. And and you know

866
00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:33.199
they'll come back and they'll say.

867
00:42:32.239 --> 00:42:35.159
You guys saved my life. And when we hear that,

868
00:42:35.440 --> 00:42:36.880
it's like it's like, you.

869
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:40.400
Know, it's one of the most wonderful things to hear.

870
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:45.280
Is it's actually working for some people. So you get

871
00:42:45.280 --> 00:42:48.559
re energized when you when you hear those shorts and

872
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:52.239
you're like, okay, let's let's keep pushing forward here.

873
00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:57.400
So I applaud you for taking on this latest career

874
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:00.000
because you say, you go in the city and you

875
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:01.920
witness and see this. A lot of people can just

876
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:05.199
go away and say criticize it or say I'm never

877
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:08.239
going back, or just complain about it and point and

878
00:43:08.280 --> 00:43:09.119
why aren't.

879
00:43:08.880 --> 00:43:12.320
They doing anything right? Well, you took the approach of well,

880
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:14.519
what can raise your hand? Guess not too many people

881
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:16.519
do that. What can I do? How can I help?

882
00:43:16.800 --> 00:43:17.000
Well?

883
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:18.559
Thank you? Yeah, And so I apologize.

884
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:19.639
I'll admit it was.

885
00:43:19.960 --> 00:43:22.480
It was a little scary at first, you know, going

886
00:43:22.519 --> 00:43:25.400
in and it's a little bit of a shock. You know,

887
00:43:25.480 --> 00:43:29.280
we're like this, you know this, this is this is

888
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:33.159
a serious problem and and but these are real people.

889
00:43:33.320 --> 00:43:37.480
You know, these are you know, when you meet these

890
00:43:37.519 --> 00:43:39.159
people face to face, it's.

891
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:42.000
Like, oh my god, this is You're You're.

892
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:44.960
Amazing, you know, being able to make it here to

893
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:46.079
our office, you know.

894
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:47.760
And talk.

895
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:51.320
So, you know. So the the other thing that we learned,

896
00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:54.880
or that we're taught in training early on is do

897
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:58.760
your best to not get personally too deeply connected with

898
00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:00.000
each individual person.

899
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:04.400
And because things can happen, and you will, you know

900
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:08.840
you will. You will get hurt along the way if

901
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:12.039
you get to get too connected. And so that's sure.

902
00:44:12.079 --> 00:44:13.360
It's a tough side of it too.

903
00:44:13.599 --> 00:44:18.079
Yeah, I'm I'm sort of the eternal optimist guy that

904
00:44:18.199 --> 00:44:20.840
you know, I always think about the positive things. I'm like, Okay,

905
00:44:20.880 --> 00:44:23.880
this is, you know this, this this will hopefully work,

906
00:44:23.960 --> 00:44:27.079
and let's keep going, you know, just to bring it back.

907
00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:29.280
To you a little bit, Christen, And again we're apploting

908
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:30.760
you for all of the efforts that you made. But

909
00:44:31.159 --> 00:44:33.039
I have noticed a thread with a lot of us

910
00:44:33.079 --> 00:44:37.480
who are at this age who reinvent ourselves or change

911
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.880
paths or courses. It seems to be that our second

912
00:44:40.920 --> 00:44:44.599
or third reinvention always steers us towards something we truly.

913
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:48.079
Are passionate about or would like to do something with

914
00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:49.880
or four or two.

915
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:52.679
So I think it's quite interesting how that's a common

916
00:44:52.719 --> 00:44:55.719
set about us at this certain age where reinvention takes place.

917
00:44:55.760 --> 00:44:57.960
I don't think it ever stops. I know you're not

918
00:44:57.960 --> 00:45:00.760
going to give up this current journ or fight that

919
00:45:00.800 --> 00:45:04.800
you're on for the community. But is there anything else

920
00:45:04.840 --> 00:45:07.159
that you would change about if you had a magic

921
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:09.440
wand I'm sure you could, you know, try and fix

922
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:12.599
something very immediately. But is there anything else? You mentioned music?

923
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:15.880
You mentioned this current path through on with helping the community.

924
00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:16.880
Is there something else that.

925
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:19.039
You do for yourself or for your family?

926
00:45:19.280 --> 00:45:19.599
Yeah?

927
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:20.400
I mean.

928
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.199
You mean, if I'm you know, moving forward, what else

929
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:27.400
would I would I want to be doing? Uh?

930
00:45:27.639 --> 00:45:27.840
Yeah?

931
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:28.199
Help?

932
00:45:28.480 --> 00:45:30.719
I know this is a long journey probably now, so

933
00:45:30.760 --> 00:45:32.039
this one's not going to end any time.

934
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:36.400
Yeah, I mean, well I will, I will.

935
00:45:37.199 --> 00:45:40.400
You mentioned the music thing, you know, I'm really and

936
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:42.519
you said earlier how many guitars do you have? And

937
00:45:44.159 --> 00:45:47.000
the fun the funny thing is is had always wanted

938
00:45:47.119 --> 00:45:49.599
I played guitar. I was sort of a hack on

939
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:52.960
guitar and played that all you know for forty years

940
00:45:53.000 --> 00:45:53.400
or whatever.

941
00:45:53.599 --> 00:45:56.960
But I'd always wanted to learn how to play a piano,

942
00:45:57.760 --> 00:45:58.760
and so.

943
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:04.199
I finally told myself, all right, you know, you can

944
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:08.760
do this, and and it's it's another thing that has

945
00:46:08.800 --> 00:46:11.559
always been in the back of my mind. So that's

946
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:13.599
kind of what I'm teaching myself now, is.

947
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:17.119
Because guitar is two hands, piano's two hands. Those two hands,

948
00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:18.960
but how are you doing two different things with your hands?

949
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:23.000
Yeah, and the piano, I think, is a nice way

950
00:46:23.239 --> 00:46:26.719
to put together a song, put together kind of compose

951
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:29.440
a song, and then you can you can add.

952
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:34.039
Guitar or whatever later. For some there's some weird feeling

953
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:34.400
I have.

954
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:37.719
In myself that the piano is is my instrument and

955
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:42.000
even though I'd been a guitar player for for so

956
00:46:42.039 --> 00:46:50.079
many years. So I'm really I'm really enjoying having a

957
00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:53.960
time on, you know, to learn the piano, to play

958
00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:56.960
it and to hopefully compose music and stuff.

959
00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:57.880
Like do you have a piano at home?

960
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:00.679
I have a Yeah, I have a key word it's

961
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:04.239
called a weight a weighted keyboard, so that the keys

962
00:47:04.280 --> 00:47:07.000
are supposedly just like playing a piano.

963
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:08.440
So I don't have that. I was going to ask you,

964
00:47:08.480 --> 00:47:12.639
does your family enjoy. Yeah, so I made sure.

965
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:15.360
So it's a good, excellent question.

966
00:47:15.440 --> 00:47:18.400
So I made sure that the keyboard that I got

967
00:47:18.800 --> 00:47:20.440
allows you to plug headphones in.

968
00:47:20.840 --> 00:47:25.639
So they're just gonna ask she can play away. The

969
00:47:25.719 --> 00:47:26.159
house is.

970
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:30.960
Blistered, so it's okay with the family. Yes, but I will,

971
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:31.360
I will.

972
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:34.400
You mentioned family, I mean, you know, i'd say probably

973
00:47:34.440 --> 00:47:37.159
the most important thing in my life is my family.

974
00:47:37.360 --> 00:47:41.239
And my two kids are wonderful, wonderful kids. So we

975
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:45.400
have a daughter who graduated from college about a year ago,

976
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:50.119
and she is working with a startup company here in

977
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:53.039
Marin and they also do some work in.

978
00:47:52.960 --> 00:47:55.840
San Francisco that is helps.

979
00:47:57.079 --> 00:48:01.400
Young kids in school who are having kind of social problem,

980
00:48:01.440 --> 00:48:05.679
not intellectual problems, but social problems with fitting.

981
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:09.039
In with a classroom and things like that. And so

982
00:48:09.159 --> 00:48:12.800
she is actually living with us at our house right now.

983
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.159
She wants to go back to grad school and she

984
00:48:16.239 --> 00:48:18.440
wants to move out of out. She's like, you know,

985
00:48:18.599 --> 00:48:22.559
I don't think that I think I'm just gonna stay here,

986
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:26.679
you know, as long as I want. She's just an amazing,

987
00:48:26.760 --> 00:48:32.199
amazing young lady, and you know, we are excited for

988
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:32.840
her future.

989
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:36.199
So she's it's kind of you know, we.

990
00:48:36.079 --> 00:48:39.239
Want her to go off and become independent, and you

991
00:48:39.280 --> 00:48:39.920
know she's.

992
00:48:40.079 --> 00:48:42.440
He's not so much an easy thing to do is

993
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:44.599
when we were going to school or to college, because

994
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:49.079
cost of skyrocketed. Grad school is incredibly expensive, just college

995
00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:52.599
is incredibly expensive now and to be able to I mean,

996
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:53.519
when she moves.

997
00:48:53.360 --> 00:48:56.199
Out, I'll move into Mill Valley because I love Mill

998
00:48:56.320 --> 00:48:58.840
Valley and it's beautiful there, so why would you ever leave?

999
00:48:59.119 --> 00:49:02.440
But you know, I think it's a very different struggle

1000
00:49:02.559 --> 00:49:05.639
for younger people right now getting through college.

1001
00:49:05.679 --> 00:49:07.960
Just getting through college is one thing. Going to grad

1002
00:49:07.960 --> 00:49:08.760
school is another thing.

1003
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:11.079
As you say, I think it's very different from when

1004
00:49:11.119 --> 00:49:13.760
we were growing up because you had state colleges you

1005
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:17.079
barely paid to go to, or training colleges that were

1006
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:20.840
very affordable. And now no education is inexpensive anymore.

1007
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:22.119
So I have to give credit.

1008
00:49:21.840 --> 00:49:25.119
To these I don't was the kids who are actually

1009
00:49:25.760 --> 00:49:27.760
getting their way through this. But also it sounds like

1010
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:31.119
your daughter's found a passion that she wants to be

1011
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:33.480
helpful to the world in.

1012
00:49:33.360 --> 00:49:36.599
Her own way too, right she is, and we're reminding

1013
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:39.320
her to, you know, try and find a balance between

1014
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:42.800
you know, following your passion and also you know, being

1015
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:46.159
regimistic about having a place to you know, having a

1016
00:49:46.199 --> 00:49:50.480
place to live, and you know there are expenses and stuff.

1017
00:49:50.159 --> 00:49:53.320
Like that that come along the way. So she's you know,

1018
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:54.280
she's an.

1019
00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:56.880
Amazing I always joke that, you know, I think it

1020
00:49:56.960 --> 00:50:00.480
was about third grade or so when she asked my

1021
00:50:00.760 --> 00:50:07.519
intellectual capability. Really she follows after her mother, so she's really,

1022
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:11.119
you know, she will find her way and have a

1023
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:11.880
wonderful life.

1024
00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:14.960
And same with our son. Our son is right now,

1025
00:50:15.159 --> 00:50:18.079
he is finishing his.

1026
00:50:18.159 --> 00:50:21.880
Last semester in the local community college College of Men

1027
00:50:22.800 --> 00:50:27.360
and is going to be transferring to for your school

1028
00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:30.599
and somewhere in California. So he's starting to get his

1029
00:50:30.840 --> 00:50:33.679
acceptance letters coming in, so he's going to be choosing

1030
00:50:34.320 --> 00:50:37.039
over the next few weeks where he'll be going in

1031
00:50:37.079 --> 00:50:39.280
the fall. And it's we're very.

1032
00:50:39.159 --> 00:50:45.199
Excited for him because he was he was kind of you.

1033
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:51.960
Know, wondering, you know, how important education really was years

1034
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:53.360
years ago, back.

1035
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:57.719
In the high school days. And you know, it was

1036
00:50:57.760 --> 00:50:59.920
wonderful to see I think the light bulb went.

1037
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:03.800
Off in his head where he's like, hey, maybe education

1038
00:51:03.960 --> 00:51:06.599
really is important and I can I can create my

1039
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:09.800
own future, and I can do whatever I want to do, and.

1040
00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:11.960
That's what a JC is good for. Though.

1041
00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:14.599
That gives you time to marinate on what you'd like

1042
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.559
to do a pursue and not spend a jillion dollars

1043
00:51:17.599 --> 00:51:21.280
on two years of ge education at a very expensive college.

1044
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:24.000
So if you're not sure about education, JC can be

1045
00:51:24.079 --> 00:51:27.079
a great landing ground for you to figure it out.

1046
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:31.000
Yeah, it was perfect for him. We were so excited

1047
00:51:31.039 --> 00:51:34.519
that you know, he had that that that that path

1048
00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:38.320
to follow and figure things out. And now you know

1049
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:41.519
things have churned around one hundred and eighty degrees for him,

1050
00:51:41.559 --> 00:51:45.159
and you know he's excited about, you know, going off

1051
00:51:45.199 --> 00:51:45.960
on his own too.

1052
00:51:46.199 --> 00:51:48.039
So if you enjoyce thought about what it'd be like

1053
00:51:48.039 --> 00:51:51.119
to have no kids in the house we we have.

1054
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:57.119
It's it's weird, it's you know, it's it's kind of

1055
00:51:57.159 --> 00:51:59.039
a whole next chapter.

1056
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:01.199
I guess, now, what do we want to do?

1057
00:52:01.239 --> 00:52:02.320
And we've talked a lot.

1058
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:04.840
About it, and you know, we have a lot of

1059
00:52:05.519 --> 00:52:08.719
kind of fun ideas, but it'll be I guess it

1060
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:12.239
doesn't really hit you until it happens and then we'll sure.

1061
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:16.519
So, Chris, you've had twenty plus years of being an

1062
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:19.960
amazing father to two amazing children, and I'm sure giving

1063
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:22.400
them advice when they need it or when they want it.

1064
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:26.400
But one question we ask people at our club is

1065
00:52:26.519 --> 00:52:29.760
if you could go back and give your younger self advice,

1066
00:52:30.079 --> 00:52:32.159
and you can pick the age, whether that's a teenager

1067
00:52:32.280 --> 00:52:36.559
or yours or thirty, is their advice based on what

1068
00:52:36.639 --> 00:52:39.360
you know now of what you tell your younger self.

1069
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:46.800
Yeah, okay, excellent question. So I would say that what

1070
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:49.679
I would tell my younger self is is, don't be

1071
00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:54.159
so worried about what you think other people want you

1072
00:52:54.239 --> 00:52:55.000
to do.

1073
00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:56.880
Do you know, think about what.

1074
00:52:56.800 --> 00:53:00.639
You really are enjoying, and don't be so worried about

1075
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:05.360
how other people like your parents might feel that you're

1076
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:07.559
letting them down or something like that.

1077
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:08.559
But you didn't.

1078
00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:12.440
You didn't take this path in life sort of you know,

1079
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:14.360
you thought that they wanted you to take.

1080
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:16.880
So I would that's kind of what I would say.

1081
00:53:16.760 --> 00:53:21.320
Is really, you know, with your your gut, feel about

1082
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:25.320
what you really enjoyed, and worry so much about what

1083
00:53:25.360 --> 00:53:27.079
you think other people want you to do.

1084
00:53:27.639 --> 00:53:29.639
Sure, no, but I think everyone can relate to that.

1085
00:53:30.559 --> 00:53:32.079
And let's talk bucket list.

1086
00:53:32.119 --> 00:53:35.679
Do you keep one and what's on it still that

1087
00:53:35.719 --> 00:53:38.440
you haven't done, whether you by yourself or you enjoys

1088
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:40.960
or you and the family. Well, because once they leave

1089
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:43.400
the nest, it's harder to rope them breath right right.

1090
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:47.400
So bucket list is that's a good one. And I'm

1091
00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:53.199
glad you brought it up, because I recently, we're talking,

1092
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:58.000
we're talking three three weeks ago or so, was able

1093
00:53:58.000 --> 00:54:01.559
to scratch one thing off my bucket list, and so

1094
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:06.519
I was. It was back the last week of February.

1095
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:10.840
I have a cousin who lives down in Florida, who

1096
00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:18.519
owns a place in Colorado, and he invited all of

1097
00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:22.079
us brothers, his cousins, me and my brothers to come

1098
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:27.039
out and do a ski week in Colorado and just

1099
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:29.639
stay at his place. Me and two of my brothers

1100
00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:33.239
were able to get out and I was able to

1101
00:54:33.280 --> 00:54:38.280
ski for the first time at some of the resorts.

1102
00:54:37.880 --> 00:54:41.400
In the Rockies. So Veil Veil was on my bucket list.

1103
00:54:41.920 --> 00:54:46.559
Oh nice, And it churned out to live up to

1104
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:47.159
the hype.

1105
00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:50.119
We were there. The week we were there, the weather

1106
00:54:50.480 --> 00:54:51.840
was like perfect sunny.

1107
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:54.360
We're talking black Diamond or bunny slopes. What are we talking?

1108
00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:55.119
We're talking.

1109
00:54:55.519 --> 00:55:01.760
We're talking a few black diamonds, okay, but aggressive Since

1110
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:04.840
I'm on your podcast, I'm not in my twenties anymore,

1111
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:09.280
so you're not the black diamonds were. You know, it

1112
00:55:09.400 --> 00:55:12.280
probably took a little more cautious approach to him then

1113
00:55:12.800 --> 00:55:15.440
used to bomb down those things in the old days.

1114
00:55:15.599 --> 00:55:19.280
But it was just absolutely amazing. We had so much fun,

1115
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:21.960
did a lot of bonding. It was kind of like

1116
00:55:22.840 --> 00:55:25.960
the Guy's trip. So did some great bonding with my

1117
00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:33.119
brothers and my cousin who I hadn't seen in probably

1118
00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:36.480
twenty years. And you know, by the end of the week,

1119
00:55:37.039 --> 00:55:40.599
cousin is like, Okay, this is officially an annual trip.

1120
00:55:41.239 --> 00:55:42.480
We're doing it every year.

1121
00:55:44.880 --> 00:55:46.920
And it was just it was just a blast. But

1122
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:50.119
one other thing I'll add to the list, and this

1123
00:55:50.199 --> 00:55:52.760
is something that Joyce and I had talked about, kind

1124
00:55:52.800 --> 00:55:55.480
of tying into what will happen if when we become

1125
00:55:55.679 --> 00:56:00.039
empty nesters, is she had always liked the idea of

1126
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:00.599
the two.

1127
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:04.159
Of us getting basically renting a van.

1128
00:56:04.280 --> 00:56:08.360
I guess you'll call, you know, some comfortable van and uh,

1129
00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:11.960
just touring across the US. So going to all the

1130
00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:17.840
National parks, Canyon, Yellowstone, is just going just going all

1131
00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:19.639
around Dollywood.

1132
00:56:19.800 --> 00:56:20.000
Yeah.

1133
00:56:20.039 --> 00:56:23.159
Yeah, And the new Volkswagen Electric just came out, so

1134
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:24.880
I mean it looks pretty amazing.

1135
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:29.159
That looks cool. I love I love the of that.

1136
00:56:29.559 --> 00:56:33.320
So yeah, that's that's something that just kind of got

1137
00:56:33.480 --> 00:56:33.840
at it.

1138
00:56:34.199 --> 00:56:36.440
Could you get to Dollywood on a single charge?

1139
00:56:36.880 --> 00:56:40.480
That is, yeah, we'll have to we'll have to plan it,

1140
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:43.320
We'll have to plan how to stop along the way.

1141
00:56:43.320 --> 00:56:44.360
But that's kind of that.

1142
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:44.840
You know.

1143
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:47.400
When she mentioned that, I was like, that is an

1144
00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:50.400
amazing idea because when when the kids were younger, we

1145
00:56:50.480 --> 00:56:53.800
actually and I was working with Tipico, we had the

1146
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:57.119
opportunity to go to a lot of places outside the US,

1147
00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:01.320
Australia and India and.

1148
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:01.360
And stuff like that.

1149
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:04.239
And Joyce was like, you know, there's a lot in

1150
00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:07.000
the United States that we haven't seen. You know, we've

1151
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:09.199
seen in the East Coast, we've seen Boston, and we've

1152
00:57:09.239 --> 00:57:12.400
seen California, and there's a lot in the middle that

1153
00:57:12.440 --> 00:57:15.639
would rather be fun to make a just an extended

1154
00:57:15.719 --> 00:57:16.599
road trip out of it.

1155
00:57:16.639 --> 00:57:18.920
It's a great idea. So that's something I hope we

1156
00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:21.119
get to do. You know, when the kids go off

1157
00:57:21.119 --> 00:57:22.559
on the round nice.

1158
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:24.039
Let me ask you another real quick one too, Chris.

1159
00:57:24.119 --> 00:57:25.920
I know you are the tech guy. We made fun

1160
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:27.400
of you a little bit about that at the beginning.

1161
00:57:27.719 --> 00:57:31.800
Was there, in a simplistic way, was there any technology

1162
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:33.920
that has come out in the last twenty five thirty

1163
00:57:33.960 --> 00:57:36.039
years that you have been really impressed with.

1164
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:38.599
It doesn't have to be a platform. It could be anything.

1165
00:57:38.639 --> 00:57:41.239
It'd be a cell phone, it could be yeah, a

1166
00:57:41.400 --> 00:57:44.760
tract tape, yeah, right, right, right right.

1167
00:57:44.840 --> 00:57:47.519
You know, I think it's easy to say, you know,

1168
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:52.360
the original iPhone, which which could kind of do everything,

1169
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:55.239
you know, I was like, change the world. It was

1170
00:57:55.360 --> 00:57:59.199
just unbelievable. But I'll even go back, you know, I

1171
00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:02.440
kind of say, okay, well, what about what was before that?

1172
00:58:02.800 --> 00:58:03.000
You know?

1173
00:58:03.360 --> 00:58:07.039
And I think of the Apple, the iPod, right.

1174
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:09.920
That came out with this this little thing that like

1175
00:58:10.039 --> 00:58:13.360
this bit yeah, you know, and you can and you

1176
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:16.800
can have you know, one hundred thousand songs on it

1177
00:58:16.920 --> 00:58:21.199
or whatever and right dial them up and that dial yeah,

1178
00:58:21.239 --> 00:58:24.880
and uh, you know, and I start kind of going back.

1179
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:27.400
I go back, and I'm like, geez, there's.

1180
00:58:27.119 --> 00:58:32.400
So many, you know, so many phases of technology that

1181
00:58:32.639 --> 00:58:36.360
kind of happened pretty fast. You know, when the original

1182
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:39.360
personal computers came out and you could have one in

1183
00:58:39.400 --> 00:58:39.960
your house.

1184
00:58:40.119 --> 00:58:42.920
And then the Internet's the internet really.

1185
00:58:42.760 --> 00:58:45.760
Catches on and you're able to go to a website,

1186
00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:49.679
you know, the original websites where there was a web

1187
00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:51.719
page you could go visit and you could click on

1188
00:58:51.800 --> 00:58:55.400
some buttons. Uh, and then before you know it, yeah,

1189
00:58:55.440 --> 00:59:00.840
we have the we have the iPhone, and and of

1190
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:01.920
course now.

1191
00:59:03.719 --> 00:59:05.480
I think the whole AI.

1192
00:59:07.920 --> 00:59:14.079
Wave is both exciting and scary, and I think, you know,

1193
00:59:14.159 --> 00:59:18.039
we have to listen to the expert guys who actually

1194
00:59:18.079 --> 00:59:21.840
created it and are warning us, you know, put some

1195
00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:26.440
guardrails around this, or it could go off in directions

1196
00:59:26.440 --> 00:59:28.079
that we weren't anticipating.

1197
00:59:28.480 --> 00:59:33.119
So I look forward to.

1198
00:59:33.559 --> 00:59:36.400
Like I said, I'm the eternal optimist, So I think

1199
00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:39.800
we can can use technology in a positive way and

1200
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:43.400
hopefully be smart enough to protect ourselves from from letting

1201
00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:44.719
it get out of our hands.

1202
00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:46.920
I agree, I can see the value in it, though

1203
00:59:46.920 --> 00:59:48.800
I have to say, I mean, there's so many things

1204
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:50.880
that even in one of our last episodes, I ran

1205
00:59:50.920 --> 00:59:53.639
out of time and we had some issues with an episode,

1206
00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:55.960
and I actually could hit the AI button on this

1207
00:59:56.079 --> 00:59:59.360
platform and it would basically create an episode for me,

1208
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:03.039
it would illuminate all of the gaps and noises and

1209
01:00:03.119 --> 01:00:05.679
would it would get the sound levels correct, it would

1210
01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:08.159
change the picture, it would do everything for you. And

1211
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:10.199
it was just at the click of a freaking button.

1212
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:12.800
It's a little scary, but it.

1213
01:00:12.679 --> 01:00:16.360
Came and came in handy. I have to admit amazing. Yeah, so.

1214
01:00:18.400 --> 01:00:20.960
They're making a big splash here in San Francisco because

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they took over a large office space on their Chase Center.

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Yeah.

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Really, they just opened recently. So yeah, it's it's it's

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the talk of the town.

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On a lighter note, and I knew I told you

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I was going to ask you this question, who would

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play you in a movie or TV?

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Okay, this is the one we have to finish off on. Yeah,

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so that question.

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Took me about three seconds to and so I will

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preface by saying, this is my wife's favorite actor who

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I think would be perfect fit.

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Matt Damon is the guy.

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Oh see, I was gonna say Kevin Bacon. I was

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gonna say.

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Kevin Bacon too.

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Okay, you know I can dance. I can dance, maybe

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Kevin Bacon. But what Matt Damon is is Joyce's favorite actor.

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And I'm like, nice, Now, maybe you can work that out.

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01:01:18.239 --> 01:01:21.559
Okay, Hey, we've got your karaoke song, We've got your

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character that can play with the TV in a movie.

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We just need to get you a contract now with

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a movie like Netflix or something.

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Absolutely absolutely as.

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Songs, I don't have to show his next career.

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01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:35.760
Well, well, Gary, are we good? Did we? Did we?

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01:01:35.880 --> 01:01:36.519
Did we cover it?

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01:01:36.559 --> 01:01:38.119
Do you think I think we're good?

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01:01:38.400 --> 01:01:42.199
I'll tell you what. This has been more fun than

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I than I am.

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01:01:43.039 --> 01:01:44.039
And you thought it was going.

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01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:46.719
To be well, no, I was. I was nervous, you know,

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01:01:46.840 --> 01:01:47.920
my first podcast.

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01:01:48.480 --> 01:01:53.440
But you guys are are so.

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01:01:51.920 --> 01:01:54.760
So friendly and so welcoming, and so I am.

1250
01:01:54.920 --> 01:01:57.639
Thank Hey, Hey.

1251
01:01:57.920 --> 01:02:02.400
It's been an honor to be on your show here.

1252
01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:06.320
We really appreciate you joining us absolutely, Chris, thank you

1253
01:02:06.360 --> 01:02:07.400
so much for joining us.

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01:02:07.440 --> 01:02:10.000
It was wonderful. Issulations on all your work.

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01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:13.000
And more kudos to you for your continued success with

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01:02:13.119 --> 01:02:14.760
working with the community in San Francisco.

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01:02:14.920 --> 01:02:15.559
Thank you, guys.

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We appreciate it.

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01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:18.760
And we're back.

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Really nice, Yes, super cool guy I'd not meant before,

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01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:26.239
but really really interesting, very involved.

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01:02:26.559 --> 01:02:30.320
Yeah, and I knew about this latest episode or the

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01:02:30.719 --> 01:02:33.800
latest career move because I had stopped by his house

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01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:35.519
a couple of weeks ago and chat with me and

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01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:39.039
his wife. But it's just surprising. I knew he I

1266
01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:41.239
was gonna say graduated, but he retired early.

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01:02:41.639 --> 01:02:43.800
But I didn't. I didn't know about the music part,

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01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:44.880
the in between part.

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01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:48.119
I didn't know about that. But you know, it's not

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01:02:48.239 --> 01:02:50.960
everyone that can follow their dream and you know, make

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01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:52.880
the move and take that step. And he did it,

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01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:55.360
and regardless of the outcome, he can go back and.

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01:02:55.280 --> 01:02:57.840
Say, you know what, I tried it, yep, and try

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01:02:57.840 --> 01:02:58.159
it again.

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01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:00.760
It sounds like he's really making an impact personally and

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01:03:00.960 --> 01:03:03.679
self in the Bay Area too, with working with the

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01:03:03.800 --> 01:03:06.360
organization he's working with now right, which is great.

1278
01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:07.599
And as I was.

1279
01:03:07.519 --> 01:03:10.360
Saying to you, he's such a great stream of consciousness.

1280
01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:12.159
It's like we don't really have to edit much. I

1281
01:03:12.199 --> 01:03:14.440
just have to edit you completely out of the episode.

1282
01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:14.880
Right.

1283
01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:18.239
Yeah, Well, it's not surprising.

1284
01:03:18.199 --> 01:03:20.719
Just kidding, just kidding you really this episode?

1285
01:03:20.760 --> 01:03:21.920
Are we ready to wrap it up?

1286
01:03:22.159 --> 01:03:23.280
Let's wrap it up please?

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01:03:23.320 --> 01:03:24.199
Alrighty folks.

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01:03:24.519 --> 01:03:29.000
So we thank Chris Martha for joining us, and to

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01:03:29.320 --> 01:03:33.199
our loyal listeners and watchers, you know that you can

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01:03:33.239 --> 01:03:37.719
find us on Apple Podcasts, Spotify and other platforms where

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01:03:37.760 --> 01:03:40.360
you part and we're available on Instagram at Don and

1292
01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:42.960
Gary Doing sixty. And if you want to watch us,

1293
01:03:43.079 --> 01:03:46.599
which who doesn't, you can check us out on YouTube

1294
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:50.440
under Fifer pod Productions at Don and Gary Doing sixty

1295
01:03:50.719 --> 01:03:53.239
and then, asn is mentioned, coming soon to Blue Scott.

1296
01:03:53.960 --> 01:03:57.119
So we'd love for under all those platforms like and subscribe.

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01:03:57.400 --> 01:04:00.559
Comments are welcome. You want to reach us, out reach

1298
01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:03.280
out to us by email. That's Don and Gary Doing

1299
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:07.199
sixty at gmail dot com. So until the next time, I'm.

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01:04:07.039 --> 01:04:10.679
Gary, I'm done and you might need a paycheck this time.

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01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:14.000
We're doing such a good job.

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01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:15.679
Well, you know I appreciate it.

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01:04:15.960 --> 01:04:19.840
Okay, Well, enjoy the rest of your weekend. You take care.

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01:04:19.880 --> 01:04:21.599
And I just saw all your notes close down.

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01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:25.159
Oh you did? Oh my, I don't like to show

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01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:25.719
things like that.

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01:04:26.199 --> 01:04:28.559
Sure you do, all right, we'll talk to you next time.

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Take care. Bye bye,