April 30, 2025

S2 E6 The Elusive Queer Space-Bar NONE

S2 E6 The Elusive Queer Space-Bar NONE
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Season 2
Gary and I discuss the rapid decline in LGBTQ+ Bars/Queer Spaces. We share insights from publications in SF and LA about the possible causes. We speak about the oldest Lesbian bar still operating for 62 years, and it's most loyal patron. Enjoy. D&G OUR NEW WEBSITE on PODPAGE https://www.podpage.com/don-gary-doin... Leave us Voicemails Reviews, Read our Blog, Videos, Subscribe, all in one place! Click HERE to learn more about Podpage https://www.podpage.com/?via=don-pfeifer
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You calm down, No, you calm oh hi don.

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Well okay, yes, no, I'm sorry for being laid. Of course.

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I was trying to find some equipment. I lost some equipment.

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Well, we're not getting any younger and this happen. It's

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nothing to be ashamed about. Looking very short here. I'm

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going to do this. Let's see you fight.

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Yeah, that's good, that's good. Perfect or our heads are

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at the same level now.

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I don't know if you noticed, but I pivoted. I'm

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on the other side of the room.

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Pivot. I liked your pivot.

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But because the window is now instead of behind me,

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the windows to my right, there's still a little glare

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on my own.

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Is not as bad good? I kind of I'm kind

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of like this.

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Let's just say, there's always a light on me.

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But you know, is it like being lit up or

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is that me? No?

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Like you know, I tend to be in the spotlight.

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Any way. Way, I'm gonna just just so you know,

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I'm gonna be doing a little bit of this. I'm

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gonna be doing a little bit of pointing when I'm

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mentioning things.

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But it's not like reprimanding me.

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No, it's gonna be pointing because I'm going to try

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you something. We're gonna try something a little different this week,

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and part of my pointing is going to be a

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little thing that we do in in in post post,

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in post production, in post, we're going to impose some things.

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So when I go like this, there's gonna be a

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little sound effect and a little something. So you know,

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with our little announcement which I haven't talked to you about.

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Well, don if you want sound effects, I can give

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you sound effects.

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A little gass, see what's going on. I'm gonna keep

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doing this when we record going because sometimes we have

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some good stuff that I could use sometimes. Yeah, scary,

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you're the most talented. I don't know how we got

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through the show without it would be so poudy, patty, paty.

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So are we good? I'm gonna just stop it and

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then start again.

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And yeah, sure, I'm good.

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So and I don't know how this is going to go,

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so we'll edit it and post.

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That's what the kids are saying, Hi, Gary, Hey are you.

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Well? Spring has sprung our sprockets have sprouted, and we're

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switching things up a little bit. To start with the intro,

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What do you think.

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I think that's very fresh and nice. I mean, we

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are we in spring?

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Yes, I'm in spring because it's beautiful here. What's it

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like this?

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Oh my god, it's gorgeous out to down about beautiful

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blue sky? Nice? Yeah?

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Good? So our sprockets have sprung. It's spring and sprunging

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and everything's springing.

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Yes.

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So okay, So this week our episode titled the Elusive

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Queer Space slash Bar None. We'll figure out what we

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want to really call it. We dive into what we

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used to call a bar, and in recent years there's

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been a strange thing happening with bars. Is that not

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just scay spaces, but bars in general are disappearing. Right, So,

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what we're going to discuss this week is the possible

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and probable reasons for the decline and closings. Gary, you're

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going to share an article from a lady called Anna

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di Ameda Amrale covered by the Bay Area KQED. Right,

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you're gonna share us that story.

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That's correct, It's about a lesbian bar that's as old

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as you.

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I'm going to share an article from Eater magazine on

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what bars are thriving, What bars are actually thriving and

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why and then we're gonna have a little memorial to

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some of the bars that actually have left us and

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are no longer in existence in both San Francisco and

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LA and then a very special announcement at the end

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that you have to wait for. And it's gonna be

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something with this. So I'm going to be doing a

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lot of this and you'll see what that means.

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And for our listeners, this refers to Don pointing up

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in the air straight up, so see what you're missing

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when you're not watching us on YouTube, So you can listen,

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but watch, yes and learn.

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And learn and then so we'll be right back. Thanks,

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you get out of my way, Don, Don.

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Don, welcome back. This is Don and Gary doing sixty.

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That would make me Gary and you Don.

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What up?

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Point up? Where we unwrap an unpacked, navigating lie at

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this age.

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Yes, well done.

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And the hint is with the title Don and Gary

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doing sixty, it's over sixty. You can find us on

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various podcasts wherever you pod, including Apple and Spotify. You

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can find us on YouTube yay if you care to

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venture to one of the new platforms, blue Sky. I've

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not gone there yet. We're on Blue Sky. Also if

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you want to email us. It's Don and Gary doing

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sixty at gmail dot com and don you have a

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new something?

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Yes, So I'm going to do this and I'm going

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to point to it because we actually have a great

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announcement at the end of the podcast that we want

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to share with you, but I've kind of given it away,

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probably with my graphics. So let you know that we're

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excited about what's coming at the end. So we're going

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to share with you some information about how you can

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actually participate more with the podcast. And I'll leave that

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to the very end of it.

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Yeah, I can't wait, I can't right.

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So yeah, So Gary, just how did we talk about this?

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So when we came in with this topic, actually you

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sent me something, so.

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I think you and I are both always looking for

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topics conversation starters, and on social media, I came across

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an article. There was a story that was covered by

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local PBS station KQD here in San Francisco, and it

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was covering a lesbian bar that is sixty two or

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sixty three years old.

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Wow, you really weren't kidding And it's.

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Called the wild Side West. Yes, so quick history. This

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particular bar actually opened in Oakland, California, across the bay,

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but after a short time and it was called the

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wild Side. But then when they moved to San Francisco,

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they went to the North Beach District, which is the

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Italian district here in San Francisco, and because we are

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west of Oakland, we were then called the wild Side West.

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And then in the early seventies it moved to Bernal

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High another neighborhood here in San Francisco, and so they

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featured one of its longtime patrons. Her name is i Hope.

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I pronounced this right to motha doan. She's an eighty

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year old lesbian who's been a regular at the bar

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since she was twenty four. Wow Wow, So she's you know,

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been there a few times. So this is just a

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nice story of how this bar, even though moved a

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couple of times, is managed to survive, not without its challenges,

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of course, and folks who at the time were not

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very accepting of an lb Q.

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It's either ware you see it fast.

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Right, I know, another bar or any establishment or any business. Right.

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But what's interesting is the article starts by saying that

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San Francisco has long been an epicenter for lesbian life

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and culture. Even back in the nineteen thirties. This says

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spots like Mona's four forty club were known as hubs

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from lesbians. But in the past thirty years the number

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of lesbian bars all over the country have seen us

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steep decline. And I did share with you previously in

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another podcast how it would have been in the late

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forties or early fifties. My father was born in San Francisco.

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When he go out with his friends and they'd have

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the girlfriends go with them, they go bars and hang

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out of course a lot of times in the mission.

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But my dad was always a prankster, so he decided, hey, guys,

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wouldn't it be fun to take the girls to a

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new place, And he knew of a lesbian bar in

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North Beach, in the North Beach district, the Italian district.

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So they didn't tell the ladies. I don't know how

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many of the guys had dates, but they didn't tell

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the ladies. They just went to the bar, sat down,

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and then one of the ladies needed to go go

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to the restroom, and when she got back said she

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felt very uncomfortable because so she walked across the room.

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She felt all the women's eyes were on her, felt

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very uncomfortable. And my dad, who's the worst joke teller,

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worst prankster, by the time she got back, he could

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not contain himself. He has no poker face. Yeah, and

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he just started busting up laughing. He thought it was hysterical.

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And they played this prank on their dates and took

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them to a lesbian bar.

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Yeah.

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So look at my dad hanging out a lesbian right,

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she's very progressive in the forties or fifties, right. But yeah,

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But and they don't really give a reason why the

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specifically the lesbian bars are having a steep decline.

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Well, it's interesting because this is why kind of where

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we wanted to go with this, right, because I think

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that input is of this whole segment or this whole episode,

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was that you sent me that. And I got really

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intrigued by it because I've heard this recently a great

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deal of places where of all the let's just call

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them queer spaces because that's what the kids are calling

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them right now, as a partly to a gay bar.

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Queer space is basically a bar, a gay bar. There's

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been a huge decline in the number of women's spaces

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available and it's now down to less than thirty in

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the entire country. Right. Yes, So that was an because

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I kind of the lead into that was this story,

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So thank you for sharing that too. But I kind

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of wanted to dig into it because you know, you

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and I have done our share of bar hopping and

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we you know, we've gotten at the bars. Yes, I know,

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so we went to a lot in the Bay Area

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when we both lived in San Francisco, when I lived

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in San Francisco, so we've been to a lot of places.

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But I also was noticing how a lot of these

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bars have shut down. I wanted to dive into with

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you the reasons why. There's and there's many reasons why,

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but basically I also heard Trisie Mattel, who's a very

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famous drag queen on the internet in socials, had recently

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closed her bar that she purchased in Wisconsin. She's from Wisconsin,

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and this was one of the first bars that they

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ever went to, or she ever went to, and she

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met her first boyfriend there and all this stuff. But

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they recently within the last I would say month, had

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to also close down their bar. And you know, it

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was an institution in Wisconsin, a huge watering hole of

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what people had known for many, many years. I think

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it also been there for more than thirty years in itself,

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so it's kind of a trend that's coming up.

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Did they give a reason why that's particular one.

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Yeah, there were a couple of reasons posted. One of

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them was that there was some huge amount of construction

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going on in the front of the building on the sidewalk,

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and that had detracted from the foot traffic. But of

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course COVID, which one of the main reasons for a

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lot of places, not just straight or gay or anything,

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but a lot of places. COVID had closed down a

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lot of restaurants and entertainment spots and they'd never bounced

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back from them. There's quite a few reasons about what

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we think probably the reasons that these places are closing down,

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not just gay spaces, but bars in general and going out.

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And one of the things is that we were seeing

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is like in the eighties and nineties, you know when

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we went out, there weren't cell phones right, right, so

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you know, now you just pick up your phone and

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life texting I'm going to be here, I'm gonna be there.

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I texted you earlier saying, you know, I'm having a

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little trouble, I'll be late. You didn't have that lovely convenience.

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I know. Children, it's hard to believe that the world

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existed without a cell phone, but it did.

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Before cell phones and before apps.

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Yes, yes, so I mean part of a lot. I

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saw some of the very commonalities with the article that

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you sent me and the one that I wassourcing. A

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lot of things are shifted in generationally in the way

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people socialize and don't socialize. And one of the big

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things you mentioned apps. So with apps like you know,

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there's Grinder, there's Sniffies, they're like texting to private parties now.

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So part of one of the reasons that we went

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to go to bars was to you know, have a

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couple of notefuls of margaritas and then there were two

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for one margaritas or two for one drinks at where

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was it? Midnight Sun would always have like two for one,

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so of course you've ordered like four and cafe where

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we knew the bartender, we'd get free drinks.

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Yes, and you or Lewis.

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the time too, but you know, if you take a

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look at it, apps are actually one of the main

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reasons that are being accounted for the dwindling numbers of

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people going to bars right now, because people don't need

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to go to a bar to meet up or look up, right,

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So you know, one of the reasons, of course, you

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wanted to meet boys or girls when you went to

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the bars, and that was part of the social side

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of it. Absence definitely had an effect on it when

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it comes to being social because again, the kids just

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text each other or get on an app and find,

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you know, either the boy and boy or girl of

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their choice, and they don't even come to bother with

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a bar, right, So that was one thing.

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What about age, because I'm thinking, as like, I'll just

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talk about me. As I got older, I started going

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less and less and I can tell you that, yeah, now,

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granted a lot of because a lot of my friends

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moved away. My social interaction has shifted in other areas.

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Right Whereas before we say, I guess Friday night, let's

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go meet at the bar, have a drink, and then

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maybe go grab dinner after that was kind of our thing, right,

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But I think about I had to think hard about

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the last time I actually went into a bar in

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the Contistro and it was September of last year, and

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it was because a friend was visiting and we went

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to one of our old haunts.

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Yeah, that is absolutely part of it, because I think,

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if you think about it, generation, you and I are

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of a certain age and we had those traditional locations

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that we'd go to in the Castro. We always went

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to bad Lands, we went to midnight Sun. We'd go

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to the Cafe, Cafe and the Lookout, all those places. Yeah,

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so I think, you know, these these kids don't have

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that since so many of them have closed. They don't

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have that traditional location like let's go meet up it

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because it was always midnight sun for us, like let's

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just go to be night signing, always that thing. The

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new generations don't really have that because a there's been

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a lot of closures, but also the apps are taking

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them out of that, so you know, they don't have

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to meet up necessarily at a bar.

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And see the other thing related to age is that

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what I experienced rather as we got older, rather than

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all meet up at the bar, we would meet at

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someone's house and have dinner and that would be the

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evening so you might be drinking wine or cocktails at

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the house, but you're not in the bar scene. You're

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just in a smaller group, more intimate, and it's at

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someone's own over meal and cocktails, So you just shifted things.

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So that's another reason why you'd see less people I

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think going out.

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Right and also as a you know, an older citizen. Now,

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one of the things you could easily blame the decline

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of people attending bars is that kids don't know how

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to talk to each other anymore. Because if you think

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about the kids that were brought up in the East,

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Let's say, how many times do you see a parent

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handing a kid in an iPad? And how many people

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do you see buried in their phones all the time?

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Now, oh yeah, wherever you go, who don't even you know?

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And then there's also the fact that social anxiety caused

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from not having that interaction or the ability to communicate easily.

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I'm not saying everybody, but there could be some social

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anxiety involved with going to bar because if you're going

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by yourself, you know, you hang out and you don't

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have anybody to talk to, or it's like, you know,

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I've done it before, You've done it before. We've all

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gone on our own before. But it's a lot easier

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when you go with a friend.

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Oh yeah, for sure.

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But I think also there might be a challenge with

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these new generational generations to actually be able to communicate

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with one another to because they're so busy. And I'm

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not saying that's the thing. I'm not trying to sound

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like an oldie moldy about this kind of thing, but

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I think it could be very much that. And also,

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if you think about it, a lot of these bars

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that are doing well, and I can talk about the

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couple that are thriving right now, actually have a lot

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of very live entertainment going on. So most times a

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drag show, a band, summer serving food. Well, you know,

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they used to be.

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Like back in the eighties they would have Dynasty Night

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or whatever the show was popular at the time. They

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would feature that. I was there about a year ago,

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a year and a half ago, and we went in

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on a night where they were showing drag race.

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Okay, yeah, I remember.

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So if they have a popular show, that's one way

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to attract and it was it was pretty full. Sure,

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well it was probably a Thursday night, you know, it

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wasn't the weekend, but you know, they they're probably one

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of the few that still have a pretty decent crowd

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when you walk or drive.

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By because they have their running those all the time.

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And remember the ones we were seeing all the time

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were designing women and you know what was it in

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Living Color and all these things those shows from the

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night the eighties and nineties. So yeah, I think that's

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definitely something that's kind of missing, so that the kids

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need this huge draw to keep them entertained, which is

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basically and I'm not trying to be OLDI mouldy about

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it again, but it's like they need a lot of

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stimulation or a host by a of say a drag

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queen or someone hosting it that makes it very lively

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for them. So I think, you know, they need a

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lot of that to go because I mean, yes, you

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can go to Midnight Sun and you can have a

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drink and go by yourself and just watch some videos

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and not have to talk to anybody, but eventually you

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probably will, right because we always did. I mean, you

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still drink some people's faces. I remember that.

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Story, well, spin up on someone, but it was an accident.

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It's more friends fall but we're not going to get

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into it. I did mention to you though, some of

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the names of the places here in San Francisco we

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mentioned that we went to back in our youth. A

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lot of them are still open, but I've noticed recently.

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Again I don't go to them very often. It's been

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a while, but if I a friend of mine lives

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in the area, So if I'm on my way home,

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driving through or walking past some of those places, you

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peek in, you just don't see the crowds that you

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used to. I was shocked one night. It was a

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Friday night and I I was walking back. I was

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parking nearby, so I didn't walk past one par that

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Norman was one that we went to that used to

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be popular with lines out the door. Yeah, and I

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mean you could actually see all the way to the back.

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It was just I didn't know what's going on.

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Which place was that?

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It was bad Lands?

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Oh bad Oh my god, do you remember bad Lands Sundays?

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Oh my gosh. Right, that was crazy.

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So how they're managing to stay open. I know that

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bad Lands was hit hard during the pandemic, like many

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places are shut down, but that one took a lot longer.

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For it to reopen, and we didn't think it would

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ever reopen because it was closed way longer, way past

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all the others, and it finally did open. But now

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a few times I go by, it's like, you don't

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see the crowds. You don't see right a line out

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the door.

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Well, another thing that's come up that didn't happen to

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us when we were all going out was the legalization

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of marijuana and the popularity of edibles right And if

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you think about it, these a lot of these kids

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like to talk about being sober, which is a good thing,

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and I think for a lot of these kids, a

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lot of them don't appreciate or enjoy alcohol because a

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it's not good for you. There's a matter of health

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and mental health about using that edibles are so popular

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right now. And also if you think about tied into

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that is the cost of a drink. When we were

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going out two for ones, it costs like, I don't

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even remember what do you think it costs like ten

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bucks for two drinks or something, and you ordered like

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four at a time so you can balance them everywhere

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and taken. But now you could literally go and I'm

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sure you've seen this too, because we could talk about

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how this has spread to dining establishments. Is the cost

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of a cocktail, a decent martini, and I'm sure you've

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had one or two of those a leg It can

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cost you a twenty five thirty bucks for a martini

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one if you go to the right place.

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Yeah, well, I guess I don't go to the right place.

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I've ever pay that much. I still like them dirty.

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Another thing, and this won't keep people away from the bars,

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but it's maybe a switch to try and get people

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back that don't want to have alcohol. Is they offer mocktails?

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True? True?

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That, so that could be one way of still trying

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to get people to come and like, look, you don't

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have to have a beer. You don't have to have

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hard liquor. Here is still a pretty drink with a

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flower and fruit in it. There's no alcohol, right, so

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they can still feel like they're, you know, being entertained

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and having good time and hanging out with the friends.

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You could have an alcohol drink and I can have

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a non alcohol yep.

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Yeah. And I think you know what's also I think

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and I've been reading about this because looking at statistics

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and different editorial pieces on this whole phenomenon that's taking

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place is that drink is no longer a badge of

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maturity for people. It's like something where they think, you know,

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I don't have to I'm twenty one. I don't have

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to go get loaded when I turn twenty one and

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go drinking. So it's not as socially, I guess, a

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pressure on people to go and get drunk when they're twenty.

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One, because that when you're younger, right, yeah, I mean

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one you're out, you didn't walk, you ran.

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Yeah. So I think there's a lot of people that

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are Actually we talked about, you know, the stigma of

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alcohol in general. Sometimes it's not a great thing. And

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a lot of these new generational kids don't really want

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to drink. They just don't like it. They don't like

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the after effects of it. They don't know, maybe they

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don't even like the taste of it. For people, you know,

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they don't like the taste of alcohol, and it's just

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not something for them. Another thing that I've been reading

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too is that and hearing and on social media and everything,

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is that the LGBTQ plus kids don't need to go

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to a gay or queer establishment. They like going to

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any place, and I think you know, and you know,

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recently we've had a few steps back, obviously with the

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new administration, but previously there's been a huge amount of

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acceptance for the gay and LGBTQ plus community out there.

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You know, people can go wherever they want and not

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really feel the stigma or the pressure are being scrutinized

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for being that open. Spaces or you know, spaces have

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opened up. And now I'm generalizing by calling spaces bars

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because basically they're called spaces. Now it's not something where

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kids are feeling uncomfortable. We'll see hopefully that continues. I

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hope that there is no pressure put on the LGBTQ

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plus community to not feel comfortable. But I'm just noticing

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that in the last few years, prior to, as I said,

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this administration, we've been able to enjoy any places. I

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feel comfortable going anywhere. I'm sure you do too, right, right, So,

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it used to be, you know, there at a time,

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and even before we started back in the maybe seventies

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and eighties, there was a huge stigma on being gay

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or even going to a gay club or a queer space.

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So now I think that's kind of that Bale's been

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lifted a lot with you know, so much visibility to

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the community in movies and television, social media everyone. You know,

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it's been very much accepted right for the time being,

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which I think is another good thing. The other thing,

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and we talked about cost and jump in here with

478
00:23:18.279 --> 00:23:20.000
me if you feel or if you want to. But

479
00:23:20.119 --> 00:23:22.599
the problem was with a lot of these places, and

480
00:23:22.680 --> 00:23:25.079
I guess even the Castro is a good example, as

481
00:23:25.240 --> 00:23:28.160
is West Hollywood, which we went a couple times. I

482
00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:30.160
know there's a bad story behind that, so we'll show

483
00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:35.039
that another time. We'll put it in the notes in

484
00:23:35.079 --> 00:23:37.160
the blog. One time Gary and I went out in

485
00:23:37.440 --> 00:23:39.400
West Hollywood and I forgot him and I went out

486
00:23:39.440 --> 00:23:41.400
and talked to somebody and I had left him alone

487
00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:43.480
in front of the apartment for three hours or something.

488
00:23:43.519 --> 00:23:45.240
So yeah, well let's go. Yeah you don't remember that.

489
00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:50.000
Don't do you, Gary, Let's move on down. Okay.

490
00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:52.400
So you know, we talked about the Castro, and I

491
00:23:52.480 --> 00:23:55.079
can like talk a little bit about West Hollywood or

492
00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:57.920
Wejo as we call it over there. But it is

493
00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:02.519
a lot of these old institutions have paid rent and

494
00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:05.640
now the rents have gone through this through the roof.

495
00:24:06.720 --> 00:24:09.599
So keeping a business open is not easy, which is

496
00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:13.200
why you see the cost reflected in drinks and so

497
00:24:13.480 --> 00:24:18.640
costs have gone up exponentially as a result of landlords

498
00:24:19.079 --> 00:24:22.000
increasing the amount of money they want for these spaces

499
00:24:22.079 --> 00:24:22.839
to remain open.

500
00:24:23.400 --> 00:24:27.000
Right, No, I'm cost and you know, I know we

501
00:24:27.119 --> 00:24:28.920
keep going. I keep going back to the pandemic, but

502
00:24:29.359 --> 00:24:32.759
that took such some of the businesses took such a

503
00:24:32.839 --> 00:24:37.680
hit that they could recover. Just take a slight ride turn.

504
00:24:37.720 --> 00:24:40.599
There's a restaurant that a Mexan restaurant in another part

505
00:24:40.680 --> 00:24:43.400
of the San Francisco that his family owned, has been

506
00:24:43.480 --> 00:24:46.279
there since the sixties called Tommy's.

507
00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:47.920
Not the one above your old apartment.

508
00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:52.119
Yes, oh no, no, no, there's still open but still

509
00:24:52.200 --> 00:24:55.720
family run. But I went there with some friends about

510
00:24:55.720 --> 00:24:59.839
a month ago and they said on that business ne

511
00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:03.680
ever really came back after the pandemic. So there used

512
00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:06.119
to be you know, lunch, dinner every day of the week,

513
00:25:06.640 --> 00:25:10.160
so you'd stay and have drinks and so on. It's

514
00:25:10.200 --> 00:25:12.359
all family that works there. So the owner who's the

515
00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:15.519
son of the original owner, has said that they are

516
00:25:15.640 --> 00:25:18.839
only open Wednesday to Saturday or Wednesday to Sunday, So

517
00:25:19.200 --> 00:25:21.519
only like four days a week and only at dinner

518
00:25:21.799 --> 00:25:22.799
from six to nine.

519
00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:27.240
Okay, do we blame door dash and all the delivery

520
00:25:27.279 --> 00:25:28.000
services for this.

521
00:25:29.559 --> 00:25:33.000
Well, you know the delivery services. I mean, they're still

522
00:25:33.039 --> 00:25:35.480
gonna get sales out of that because people ording food

523
00:25:35.960 --> 00:25:39.839
to go from them. Okay, people just aren't physically sitting

524
00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:46.720
in the restaurant. But I don't know. I mean, when

525
00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:48.960
you live in a neighborhood and that's your go to spot,

526
00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:52.759
you know, that's that's where you go. The door dashes

527
00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:54.319
and all that make it easier. We can order from

528
00:25:54.319 --> 00:25:56.359
anywhere in the city, right, you don't have because they're

529
00:25:56.359 --> 00:25:58.480
going to bring it to you. So I maybe that

530
00:25:58.759 --> 00:26:02.559
is a slight possibility. But just going back to visional point,

531
00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:04.559
the pandemic hit a lot of people. I told your

532
00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:07.240
bad Lands took forever to reopen, and of course rents

533
00:26:07.319 --> 00:26:09.839
keep rising, so they have to force as you said,

534
00:26:10.079 --> 00:26:12.599
it's going to mean paying me either high wages or

535
00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:15.000
we have a health tax here, which they've been charging

536
00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:15.559
for years.

537
00:26:16.119 --> 00:26:18.640
When you have to cover the cost of expenses, the

538
00:26:19.000 --> 00:26:21.079
health expenses for the workers that are there.

539
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:25.519
Yes, so there's the food or drink, there's sales tax,

540
00:26:25.920 --> 00:26:28.319
there's tip, and there's a health tax, and it's all

541
00:26:28.599 --> 00:26:30.839
lined out on the receipt, but you know, so that

542
00:26:31.000 --> 00:26:34.480
adds to your bill, my bill, and whether it's in

543
00:26:34.599 --> 00:26:39.200
some cases maybe the quality's gone down, the original chef

544
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:42.200
is left. Some places may close because the owners are

545
00:26:42.279 --> 00:26:43.920
retiring and there's no one to pass it down to,

546
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:46.799
or if they go to sell it, no one really

547
00:26:46.839 --> 00:26:49.079
wants to buy it because they know how difficult it is.

548
00:26:49.480 --> 00:26:51.599
Here in San Francisco. They're with the new Marror, they're

549
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:54.799
trying to get better. But the process of trying to

550
00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:58.359
open a new business, the paperwork, the red tape, the

551
00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:01.359
cost of it right, and then what's happening now with

552
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:04.559
the terraffs is that the cost of labor is going up,

553
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:06.880
materials is going up. So if you're going to buy

554
00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:10.720
a place and need to renovate it before you reopen it,

555
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:14.519
you've got all those factors in place, and it's going

556
00:27:14.599 --> 00:27:16.400
to take longer than you expect it. It's going to

557
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:20.880
cost a lot more than you expected, and you really

558
00:27:20.960 --> 00:27:22.240
have to have a lot of money to be able

559
00:27:22.279 --> 00:27:26.200
to do that. So that's that's maybe more than they

560
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:28.319
can chew, or they can buy it off to try

561
00:27:28.319 --> 00:27:30.599
and do that. So the idea of trying to open

562
00:27:30.640 --> 00:27:32.559
a new business can be very daunting.

563
00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:35.799
Yeah, And I think, like, for example, I know that

564
00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:40.039
you know, historically in the Castro and historically when you

565
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:42.839
know I lived in when I lived in Weho a

566
00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:45.680
long time ago, a lot of these businesses that were

567
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:48.160
around for a long time were owned and you know,

568
00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:52.720
like we said, they were institutions of local places to

569
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:57.519
meet for anyone. And I think the people have aged

570
00:27:57.559 --> 00:28:00.200
out of owning these buildings anymore. And the other thing

571
00:28:00.319 --> 00:28:02.839
that's come out of this is the fact that when

572
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:07.000
the LGBTQ plus community goes and embraces an area or

573
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:11.000
a location like the Castro or like West Hollywood and Wiho,

574
00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:14.039
what happens is a lot of gentrification takes place and

575
00:28:14.160 --> 00:28:17.200
it becomes it improves because the nightlife is good, the

576
00:28:17.279 --> 00:28:19.839
restaurants do well, and it brings a lot of people in.

577
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:24.039
And now, with housing being an issue, people who are

578
00:28:24.160 --> 00:28:27.400
longtime owners of businesses who may be owned like you know,

579
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:29.319
there was one guy that owned a number of places

580
00:28:29.359 --> 00:28:31.200
in the Castro. I believe they've been like a couple

581
00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:33.880
of bars like bad Lands Patio and all those things.

582
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:36.400
What happens is they own it for thirty years, they

583
00:28:36.440 --> 00:28:38.359
don't want to be in the business anymore, so they

584
00:28:38.440 --> 00:28:42.160
sell it to a developer because it's such a desirable neighborhood.

585
00:28:42.519 --> 00:28:44.559
So when I lived in la and I you know,

586
00:28:44.640 --> 00:28:46.920
we had our instance back there, but that was back

587
00:28:47.000 --> 00:28:50.519
in got to be the nineties, right, I think all

588
00:28:50.599 --> 00:28:52.720
those places, there's a lot of them there gone. But

589
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:55.640
also it became such a great place to live for

590
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:58.279
the community. And as I said, all the businesses were

591
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:02.000
doing well. Well. Now these business owners i'm sorry, building

592
00:29:02.039 --> 00:29:04.960
owners are selling to developers to create housing.

593
00:29:06.079 --> 00:29:08.119
So they're tearing down what was a bar.

594
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:13.640
Yes, yes, coos basically yes. So it's the urban sprawl

595
00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:16.000
that's taking place. And I'm sure because you know, when

596
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:18.119
we were living in the Castro was a very different

597
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:21.599
area and now it's very gentrified. There's a lot of

598
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:26.160
families with kids, right, and the businesses have shifted, the

599
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:29.519
demographic has shifted. I'm going to say it's still supported

600
00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:33.160
by the LGBTQ plus community, but I'm sure there was

601
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:38.079
an exodus there because it got so expensive. Right back

602
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:40.960
in the days, during the seventies and eighties, the Castro

603
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:44.799
was inexpensive to live there, relatively for California. I mean, yeah, yeah,

604
00:29:44.839 --> 00:29:46.720
this is the thing. But the same thing happened in

605
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:49.559
who So there was a number of bars that have

606
00:29:49.839 --> 00:29:51.680
you know, gone down. When I used to live there,

607
00:29:51.680 --> 00:29:53.000
there were a couple down the street from where I

608
00:29:53.079 --> 00:29:55.200
used to live on Havenhurst and Santa Monica, and I

609
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:57.440
could literally walk down the street or walk over to

610
00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:00.799
Weiho in ten minutes. I'm going to bet you and

611
00:30:00.839 --> 00:30:03.279
I done the research, like about seven or eight of

612
00:30:03.319 --> 00:30:06.720
them are no longer there. Wow. Yeah, so they've closed

613
00:30:06.799 --> 00:30:09.440
up a great deal. So you know that that basically

614
00:30:09.519 --> 00:30:15.000
the gentrification and the housing industry has pushed a lot

615
00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:18.559
of these spaces out also, right, and it's aging out.

616
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:21.240
So it's one of these things. I wonder you know

617
00:30:21.359 --> 00:30:23.240
some places, there are a couple that are thriving. I

618
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:25.680
even have in Redondo Beach. There's a place down the

619
00:30:25.720 --> 00:30:28.839
street that is a queer space that we've been to

620
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.039
that's really cute. We don't honestly, I know, maybe you

621
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:34.440
and I have aged out of going to bars really.

622
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:35.640
I mean, I don't know.

623
00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:38.319
I would go visiting with each other. We might do

624
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:41.640
it just for fun, yeah, yeah, but not like on

625
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:44.680
a regular basis. Like I said last September, so now

626
00:30:44.839 --> 00:30:48.200
what six months ago was the last time I've said

627
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:48.680
this out.

628
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:51.960
A bar, right, So I mean it's something, it is generational.

629
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:55.200
I'm just interested to see how it continues because this

630
00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.799
is a trend. This is a financial trend that you

631
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:01.839
can see taking place. Who is no longer the mecca

632
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:04.119
that it used to be. It's basically a lot of

633
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:07.200
places for people to come in as tourists and enjoy

634
00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:10.519
and leave. But the housing you wouldn't I mean, you

635
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:12.680
wouldn't believe what it looks like now because I was

636
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:15.200
there a few weeks ago, just driving through to go

637
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.880
for some worker thing, and most everything's gone or has

638
00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:22.319
changed hands. So even one of the biggest places, let

639
00:31:22.359 --> 00:31:24.920
me look it up, it was Rage. Rage was one

640
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:27.279
of the biggest dance clubs you do there. It was

641
00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:31.160
purchased by Lance Bass about four years ago. It's one

642
00:31:31.200 --> 00:31:35.359
of the biggest dance club has been there forever closed,

643
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:38.920
gone no longer open. It was renamed Heart by him,

644
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:40.680
and they were trying to keep it open. But again

645
00:31:41.160 --> 00:31:44.880
the costs and the negotiations with the leasing. I'm sorry

646
00:31:44.920 --> 00:31:47.319
the landlord didn't go through so basically one of the

647
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:49.480
biggest institutions has been closed.

648
00:31:49.720 --> 00:31:49.960
Wow.

649
00:31:50.440 --> 00:31:53.400
Yeah. So the other places that have gone basically was

650
00:31:53.519 --> 00:31:56.200
Flaming Saddles, which is a country bar Gold Coast, which

651
00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:57.839
actually was down the street from me when I used

652
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:00.319
to live there. Jim bar Oil Can Harry was over

653
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:02.160
in the Valley, which was like a country western place,

654
00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:04.400
but that closed a number of years ago. Whiskey a

655
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:07.400
Go Go a basically straight or you know, open place

656
00:32:07.440 --> 00:32:12.400
for anybody, which was an institution for live bands gone wow.

657
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.359
So yeah, I mean I'm wondering where it's all going

658
00:32:15.440 --> 00:32:19.799
to go. There are some places in downtown LA that

659
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.759
have made it. There's a place called Precinct which is

660
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:27.200
downtown LA. So basically the community has kind of left

661
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:31.680
we hoo for more desirable locations. I know Silver Lake

662
00:32:31.759 --> 00:32:32.960
is a huge location for.

663
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:36.079
Lake right Yeah. Yeah, I've heard that. It's quite a

664
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:37.039
big Yeah.

665
00:32:37.599 --> 00:32:40.559
So would you say the cash is still the community

666
00:32:40.640 --> 00:32:42.319
it was or do you feel like it? I know,

667
00:32:42.400 --> 00:32:43.240
you just haven't been.

668
00:32:43.160 --> 00:32:45.119
There much, but yeah. I mean, I had a haircut

669
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:47.319
appointment this morning and I got there early, so I

670
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:50.240
walked around and you know, granted it was before ten o'clock.

671
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:52.599
So sure, it's a morning on a weekday, so we're

672
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:55.680
in traffic. That didn't make an impression on me, although

673
00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:58.799
I heard that traffic is down, and I'll tell you why.

674
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:00.519
In a second I was thinking. I wrote down the

675
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:02.519
names of the bars, many of which we went to

676
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:05.319
and we used to hang out, like bad Lands and

677
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:10.519
Midnight Sun, Moby Dick, the Cafe, Toadhall, look Out all

678
00:33:10.559 --> 00:33:12.880
there in the edge of the Twin Peaks, right there

679
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:16.319
in the corner. They're all there, and so none of

680
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:19.400
those have closed. I did mention that Harvey's, which was

681
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.240
on the corner of eighteenth and Castro, I used to live.

682
00:33:22.400 --> 00:33:24.839
Please yeah, because he had good food, as you can

683
00:33:24.880 --> 00:33:26.359
have a burger and sit at the.

684
00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:28.279
Window and your legs out of the window and have

685
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:29.000
a hand and.

686
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:32.359
Say right and Florida they've been going by. So that

687
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:34.519
was one of our hangouts. I don't know the reason

688
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:36.680
why I closed a few years ago, but there were

689
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:39.680
about three gentlemen who were owners of other bars in

690
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:42.680
the neighborhood who decided to join forces, like, hey, we're

691
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:45.079
going to reopen Harvey's, maybe in a different name, I'm

692
00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:47.640
not sure, but they had to juj it up. And

693
00:33:48.039 --> 00:33:50.559
the news was that it was going to open by Pride.

694
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:55.920
I want to say twenty twenty four. Okay, really, I think,

695
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:59.160
And then you know delays is when I walk by today,

696
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:03.319
it's papered over and there's no signage whatsoever about coming soon,

697
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:08.559
opening in July. What it doesn't there's no activity, no movement.

698
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:13.480
So what happened? I don't know, huh. But and then

699
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:16.639
with the others that are still around that we used

700
00:34:16.679 --> 00:34:19.599
to go to, as I mentioned that, it's just they

701
00:34:19.679 --> 00:34:21.760
don't have the crowds, and I don't know how they

702
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:22.199
still open.

703
00:34:22.840 --> 00:34:24.719
Yeah, and I think, you know, back to the Oldie

704
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:26.519
Moldy discussion, because you know, that was a place that

705
00:34:26.679 --> 00:34:31.360
you know, the traditional community felt safe. It was their haven.

706
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:33.559
They would go to these places. I don't feel I

707
00:34:33.639 --> 00:34:36.440
don't feel. I'm sorry, I don't believe that the community

708
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:38.800
feels that way anymore. It's like the world has opened up,

709
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:40.880
and maybe that could be a good thing, that it's

710
00:34:40.920 --> 00:34:43.599
not all sequestered. But I know that people still would

711
00:34:43.679 --> 00:34:46.119
like to go to a place where they feel safe,

712
00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:49.280
excepted because not everybody's in the same place, you know.

713
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:52.079
I think when tourists come to in San Francisco and

714
00:34:52.480 --> 00:34:56.679
if they're queer or in the in the family as

715
00:34:56.719 --> 00:34:59.480
I say they and have never been, don't want to

716
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:01.679
go check it out. You're still going to get the vibe.

717
00:35:01.840 --> 00:35:04.400
You know, there's the fun stores, and there's the different

718
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:07.159
restaurants and bars. You're still going to get that feeling.

719
00:35:07.559 --> 00:35:10.119
It's just not what it used to be, right, and

720
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:12.719
they're still going to find their fun. But I mentioned

721
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:17.639
about foot traffic. There were two ice cream places, which

722
00:35:17.639 --> 00:35:19.639
ice cream are like you think they're always going to

723
00:35:19.679 --> 00:35:21.480
be popular because whether it's hot or not, people are

724
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:25.039
gonna want ice cream. That one they were on the

725
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:27.519
same street, just on one block away, and they closed

726
00:35:27.519 --> 00:35:29.559
one after the other. And when they interviewed one of

727
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:32.559
the owners, he said, oh, because foot traffic has been down.

728
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:34.000
Hmmm.

729
00:35:34.920 --> 00:35:36.480
I'm like, if you can't make it as and I

730
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:38.199
don't know how difficult it is, but it's like, it's

731
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:41.159
not that could be where the rent was too much

732
00:35:41.199 --> 00:35:43.199
for them to sustain if they don't have people coming in.

733
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:48.199
I think I think that's a huge factor for many

734
00:35:48.360 --> 00:35:51.599
of these buildings or these businesses or institutions, is that

735
00:35:51.880 --> 00:35:54.760
the rents have gone through the rock, through the roof

736
00:35:55.239 --> 00:36:00.199
because developers are willing to pay top dollar for real

737
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:03.760
estate to develop into housing. And that's what I see,

738
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:05.639
you know. I mean, obviously they're not going to put

739
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:08.519
a target in the middle of Castro, but they are

740
00:36:08.599 --> 00:36:11.159
going to put a lot more franchises that are profitable

741
00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:16.159
and a lot less mom and pop businesses or independent businesses.

742
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:20.840
There's a few chains, like one of the I just

743
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:23.960
can places closed was Double Rainbow, you know, so that's yeah,

744
00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:27.519
it was the same block of the Castro Theater.

745
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:29.239
Yeah, next to Hot Cookie.

746
00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:32.800
He's still there, oh thank god. Yeah, but Double Rainbow

747
00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:36.840
next door is gone. And then a place we used

748
00:36:36.880 --> 00:36:39.719
to frequent a lot was Cafe Floor.

749
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:41.480
Oh yeah, more of a.

750
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:46.880
Cafe, yes, but that indoor and outdoor seating, so they

751
00:36:46.920 --> 00:36:48.679
had a bar, but it wasn't No, it was more

752
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:51.440
of a restaurant cafe, but indoor and outdoor seating on

753
00:36:51.480 --> 00:36:54.800
a sit outside. It closed for many years and then

754
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:58.000
it reopened as like a seafood restaurant because the word

755
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:00.760
fish is somehow in the title. It looks nice. But

756
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:03.400
again I'm just just like the bars, I just don't

757
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:08.239
see the people hanging out, so it could pricing, you know,

758
00:37:08.599 --> 00:37:10.360
on the bright side. When I was walking around this

759
00:37:10.480 --> 00:37:13.719
morning after im a haircut, to remember the there was

760
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:16.639
a very popular restaurant back in the day that the

761
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:19.119
name of the restaurant was the street address, which was

762
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:22.000
twenty two to twenty three. Yes, Market Street.

763
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:24.559
That was an amazing place when the first Yes, we

764
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:26.159
went there all the time.

765
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:30.960
Yes, fancy, great food, great service, great bar, many many

766
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:34.440
many meals there. And why they closed many years ago,

767
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:38.039
I don't know. But since then there's been I'm teen

768
00:37:38.119 --> 00:37:41.880
different restaurants going in and they just don't last. But

769
00:37:42.159 --> 00:37:44.760
today when I walk by, there's a sign that it's

770
00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:50.360
coming soon. It's called Ricky's r I kki Apostervs and

771
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:53.079
on the window it says a lesbian sports bar.

772
00:37:53.519 --> 00:37:53.719
Huh.

773
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:56.079
I thought that is so cool.

774
00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:58.880
That is great. And that's a big space, isn't it.

775
00:37:59.079 --> 00:38:02.440
It is a big space. Yes, So I'm sure they'll

776
00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:05.159
make the restal part more kind of lounge area like

777
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:07.519
the bar as is. But the rest I'm just kind

778
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:10.119
of a lounge area and maybe maybe they'll have you know,

779
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:14.239
performances there or something. I don't know, but well, sports bars,

780
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.320
I guess I'll put up you know, TVs and sure

781
00:38:16.719 --> 00:38:19.760
you know, games and and you know as a lot

782
00:38:19.840 --> 00:38:22.239
of bars, like a couple of doors down there's High Top,

783
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:26.679
which is a sports bar. Yeah, where you're on a

784
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:30.199
baseball team or soccer team and after the game, everyone

785
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:30.840
goes and hangs out.

786
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:33.440
Wasn't it pretty popular though? Isn't it still popular?

787
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:35.719
High Tops? I think it's still pretty popular. Yeah, Okay,

788
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:37.559
good good, And that's been around for a while.

789
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:40.280
Good. So there are some nuggets of good news out there.

790
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:44.480
That being that we started on this episode about how

791
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:47.559
lesbian bars are doing that, you said, it's only thirty.

792
00:38:48.440 --> 00:38:51.559
That's what I read in the Yes, So it's it's

793
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:54.079
it's a kind of an alarming number. And I'm not

794
00:38:54.159 --> 00:38:56.239
sure why they're they're singling out that, but I think

795
00:38:56.280 --> 00:38:58.840
because of the statistic, that's why it came to the

796
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:00.960
news or to the front of the news, because that's

797
00:39:01.000 --> 00:39:03.079
a very low number if you think about the country

798
00:39:03.719 --> 00:39:06.079
for sure. Yeah. So, I mean that's kind of like

799
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.800
what the impetus for this discussion in this episode was

800
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:10.400
when in the very beginning, when you sent me that

801
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:13.159
article about the business that had been opened for so

802
00:39:13.320 --> 00:39:17.840
many years. So yeah, I mean that was kind of concerning,

803
00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:19.840
and that's kind of where we went down this rabbit

804
00:39:19.920 --> 00:39:23.920
hole of discussions with queer spaces and also like bar none.

805
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:25.880
That's why I kind of came up with that. It's

806
00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:28.679
like are there going to be social spaces? But again,

807
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:32.880
to add to your good news nuggets, there is I

808
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:35.719
took from an article on Eater magazine, which is basically

809
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:41.039
an online subscription magazine. There was a gentleman who has interviewed.

810
00:39:41.079 --> 00:39:43.400
His name is Gregor Matson, and it's a book called

811
00:39:43.400 --> 00:39:46.960
Who Needs Gay Bars basically, and he was thinking, like,

812
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:52.480
there are places where they're embracing community, embracing the LGBTQ

813
00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:55.880
plus queer space. And this is not just about that audience,

814
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:58.119
just so you know, this is about any space, any bar,

815
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.119
any restaurants. So we're talking about the challenges there. But

816
00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:03.559
what he was saying was that some of the bars

817
00:40:03.639 --> 00:40:08.000
down in downtown LA, like Precinct and Acbar, actually embrace

818
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:12.360
the community and make a very strong stand for maintaining

819
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:16.719
these spaces that have to stay open right support the community.

820
00:40:16.920 --> 00:40:19.440
They have drag shows, they have open mic nights, they

821
00:40:19.480 --> 00:40:23.519
have different performance nights, but also definitely protected something that

822
00:40:23.599 --> 00:40:26.400
they're not ashamed of doing anymore is to ask for donations.

823
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:29.639
So the bars who used to just you know, because

824
00:40:29.639 --> 00:40:31.599
if you think about it, we're talking about most bars

825
00:40:31.679 --> 00:40:34.000
obviously make all their money from the booze or they

826
00:40:34.119 --> 00:40:37.599
liquor or alcohol these cell So what's good is they've

827
00:40:37.639 --> 00:40:40.719
gotten past the point where it's okay to say, you

828
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:44.920
know what, we need donations to keep open. So that's good.

829
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:46.880
So it's good to hear that those places are thriving

830
00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:49.639
down in downtown LA. You've got your places that are

831
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:51.719
doing well, and I'm excited. You have to keep us

832
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:54.639
informed about the place that's opening where twenty two to

833
00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:55.480
twenty three used to be.

834
00:40:55.920 --> 00:40:58.440
Yeah, I mean, you know, I let the end, but

835
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:00.639
you know, yeah, the well, of course it's inclusive.

836
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:02.880
That's what the community needs to do. And the place

837
00:41:02.960 --> 00:41:05.159
down the street that we have over here. When I went,

838
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:08.239
it was amazing to see. I was. I was very

839
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:10.519
encouraged to see because we went and met a couple

840
00:41:10.559 --> 00:41:12.840
of our friends over there and they were having a

841
00:41:12.960 --> 00:41:16.360
night for all of the local SpaceX it's actually down

842
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:18.559
from us, and they had all of the people that

843
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:21.119
were from SpaceX and from I forget what the other

844
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:24.920
Northrop gummen and all these other people that do basically

845
00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:28.599
technology for space travel, and they all came to that

846
00:41:28.719 --> 00:41:31.559
bar and there was a huge representation of trans people,

847
00:41:31.719 --> 00:41:36.280
of all LGBTQ plus people plus diversity. There was that

848
00:41:36.599 --> 00:41:38.960
because again, I think that's important to make sure that

849
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:42.239
the community is inclusive of everyone, no matter who you are,

850
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.880
where you find your place on the flag, whatever color

851
00:41:45.960 --> 00:41:49.480
you're you're you know you're believing in or supporting. So

852
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:52.239
that's actually another piece of good news. I think the

853
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:54.320
world's not going to come to an end right away,

854
00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:57.000
but it's been a challenging time for career spaces.

855
00:41:57.440 --> 00:42:03.360
Yeah right, Can I take a slight writer, absolutely, because

856
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:07.519
we started talking about lesbian so I'm gonna lesbian, keep

857
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:11.239
going lesbian. So in social media this came up, I

858
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:14.119
think yesterday, and I thought it was just a little

859
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:17.199
interesting because of the way the title of the article.

860
00:42:17.400 --> 00:42:21.079
So the story is about Billy Jean King, famous tennis

861
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:25.360
star is retired. I'm sorry, do they know Billy jan King?

862
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:29.199
They must be now.

863
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:35.440
Granted, the publication is called Pink Times or Pink News,

864
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:41.159
so it's you know, doing stories on the LGBTQ community,

865
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:45.599
but it starts with lesbian tennis legend Billy Jean King.

866
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:48.320
The first thing I noticed, like, why do you need

867
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:50.039
to start with that? Why can't it just be tennis

868
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:54.719
legend Billy Jean King? Right right, but says the first

869
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:58.400
woman to receive Hollywood Walk of Fame Star in star

870
00:42:58.519 --> 00:43:03.000
a new category. It's like Hollywood Walk of Fame. She's

871
00:43:03.079 --> 00:43:07.760
a tennis legend, she's a celebrity, right, Well, I look

872
00:43:07.800 --> 00:43:11.400
at I mean, I didn't read the article, but I

873
00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:17.039
just called the headline because it's it's the Hollywood Walk

874
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:22.079
of Fame, which is Hollywood, so there were television and movies.

875
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:27.679
I mean, for the tennis legends, there is a Sports

876
00:43:27.719 --> 00:43:31.880
Hall of Fame, there's a Tennis Hall of Fame where

877
00:43:32.400 --> 00:43:35.280
she can have her statue or her whatever. But I

878
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:37.360
thought it was just interesting that, you know, lesbian tennis

879
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:40.400
legend Billaging King is first woman to receive Hollywood Walk

880
00:43:40.440 --> 00:43:44.280
of Fame Star creating category. I just thought that was

881
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:44.960
a little interesting.

882
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:48.239
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure she because at the Palm

883
00:43:48.320 --> 00:43:50.559
Springs Walk of Fame they have those stars all over

884
00:43:50.639 --> 00:43:53.400
there too. I think I've seen Martina and Abrachilova is

885
00:43:53.400 --> 00:43:56.000
there for sure. I bet you Billaging King is there too.

886
00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:59.079
I bet because they have the tennis matches out there too, But.

887
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:02.639
Palm Springs, I mean, you know, it's very gay, so

888
00:44:02.760 --> 00:44:07.320
I can see that. I can see their names spitting

889
00:44:07.400 --> 00:44:10.599
in there, you know, yes, yes, but it just threw me.

890
00:44:10.840 --> 00:44:14.400
The Hollywood Walk of Fame part through me. Yeah, just

891
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:18.519
only because I don't consider her Hollywood consider her sports.

892
00:44:20.280 --> 00:44:22.599
So anyway, so it's just a little something that caught

893
00:44:22.679 --> 00:44:24.800
my eye. I had a blabber about it.

894
00:44:25.119 --> 00:44:27.519
Okay, well that's really good news. So there is light

895
00:44:27.599 --> 00:44:31.280
at the tunnel, there's still there's still a strong let's

896
00:44:31.280 --> 00:44:35.440
see a strong presence of these queer spaces and communities

897
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:37.639
and close. We did dive into the fact that it

898
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:41.639
was not based just on LGBTQ plus bars, but the

899
00:44:41.719 --> 00:44:43.840
statistics were coming to us from those and we saw,

900
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:46.079
as we said, we're going to have a like maybe

901
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:51.159
a memorial right now as I scroll here with the

902
00:44:51.480 --> 00:44:54.039
bars that are no longer with us, but we love

903
00:44:54.079 --> 00:44:56.400
them and have fond memories of all those places. Is

904
00:44:56.440 --> 00:44:57.320
cafe still open?

905
00:44:58.000 --> 00:45:03.119
The cafe? Yeah? Good, sure, but yes it's still so

906
00:45:03.440 --> 00:45:04.000
are we good?

907
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:04.679
Do you think?

908
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:05.760
Okay?

909
00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.000
Good, well, thank you for bringing that. I'll definitely put

910
00:45:08.079 --> 00:45:10.960
the liner notes of where you've got your sources from

911
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:12.719
for that article, because I want people to be able

912
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:14.559
to read that. Sure, I'm going to put the same

913
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:17.360
sources for where I got my statistics in my information

914
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:20.119
from that article on Eater magazine. So I thought that'd

915
00:45:20.159 --> 00:45:21.519
be a good way for us to roll in our

916
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:23.119
big announcement.

917
00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:25.079
For the Yeah, I've been waiting, Okay, go ahead.

918
00:45:26.199 --> 00:45:29.239
So the good news everyone is that we are going

919
00:45:29.320 --> 00:45:33.519
to be dropping a brand new website from pod Page.

920
00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:37.000
So I just really wanted to shout how great they were,

921
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how great the platform is. So again we'll be launching

922
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:44.280
information for our website. The good news about the website

923
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:46.719
is that it's so accessible. All you need to do

924
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:48.719
is go to the website itself and I will put

925
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the address right here and let people see that you

926
00:45:52.320 --> 00:45:53.960
can go to it. What I love about it is

927
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that you can. You can. We're going to have a

928
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blog on there. You can access all of our episodes.

929
00:45:59.000 --> 00:46:02.280
Of course, you can also go in and leave us

930
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931
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:08.920
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932
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933
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that you could leave voicemails. So we're going to be

934
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really pushing for all of you to actually leave us reviews.

935
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And also what I think would be really great is

936
00:46:22.840 --> 00:46:24.440
if we can get you to get on there and

937
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leave us voicemails, either with comments about the show, telling

938
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me how handsome I look and how young I am

939
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:33.079
I mean, or you could leave some stuff for Gary

940
00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:36.880
too if you wanted to. Just yet. So what I'm

941
00:46:36.880 --> 00:46:39.000
looking forward to is the next episode, maybe we'll do

942
00:46:39.039 --> 00:46:41.039
a little a quick tutorial just to show you the

943
00:46:41.280 --> 00:46:44.400
website itself, how to access is. It's super easy, and

944
00:46:44.519 --> 00:46:47.239
we're going to really hold your feet to the fire

945
00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:50.440
to leave us comments and leave us voicemails. So I'm

946
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:51.480
very excited about that.

947
00:46:52.880 --> 00:46:55.599
But there's no pressure, no pressure, no pressure.

948
00:46:57.039 --> 00:46:59.599
So again, can I shut us down?

949
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:00.280
Good?

950
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:02.920
Yes? Okay, good? Well, thank you for joining don and

951
00:47:03.000 --> 00:47:05.920
Gary Doing sixty. Please join us next time as we

952
00:47:06.079 --> 00:47:08.960
navigate the deep waters of getting older and trying to

953
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:11.480
remove the splendors from the windmills of our mind.

954
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:12.760
Wow.

955
00:47:13.159 --> 00:47:16.599
Yeah, yeah, So I've got a bunch of these written down,

956
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so I'm excited. Don't forget. You can find us on

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Donn and Gary Doing sixty on Instagram. You can look

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at us on YouTube at the five for pod Don

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and Gary Doing Sixty. You can email us at Don

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and Gary Doing sixty at gmail dot com. The website's coming,

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so don't forget to like and subscribe. Thank you, Gary,

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that was fun that I learned a lot actually from

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what you were sharing with us too.

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Yeah, I will do that.

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Good. So are we good?

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I think we're good?

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Okay, well you look great that there.

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I know.

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I gotta go take mine off and wash it and

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dishwasher in just a second. So it's good talking to you.

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I'll talk to you soon, all right. You take care.

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Bye bye,