Dec. 31, 2024

Ep. 11 'Ain't Nobody Got Time For That-Super Special Guest Christine Freeman

Ep. 11 'Ain't Nobody Got Time For That-Super Special Guest Christine Freeman
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Season 1
We saved the best for last. Please welcome our Super Duper Special Guest, Christine Freeman. The discussion takes us from caring for aging parents to family traditions to the Senior Menu at Dennys! There are many thoughts on therapy and getting ready for the next phase in our lives at THIS AGE.. Joins us for the fun. Happy New Year and We'll be back for Season 2..... (We KNEW you were worried) YouTube http://www.youtube.com/ at Pafifer-Pod Listen Apple Podcasts Spotify Facebook Instagram @donandgarydoin60 Contact us at Donandgarydoin60@gmail.com ALL THE SOCIALS and PODCASTS BELOW https://linktr.ee/PafiferPodcastProductions
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Hey, Gary, good morning, Good morning. Did you just roll

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out of bed?

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Well, I'm not going to gossip, but no, I've actually

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I have enough for a couple hours.

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Oh, I was winning. I wanted to gossip. I wanted

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to talk about the roll in the bed.

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Well, when I get one, i'll let you know.

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I thought you got somebody to leave cash on the

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nightstand before they left, right, yeah they did.

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No, totally, Kevin.

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Please, how's your weekend going.

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It's good.

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You know, we're definitely in winter here in the Bay Area.

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We had this is day five of a reported five

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day storm. Although it's clear out right now.

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I heard you're getting humbled with rain.

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Friday was really the day that was pretty bad. I mean,

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that's the day I was thankful that I no longer

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have to get in my car and drive across the

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Golden Gabris to work. I could stay home because every

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time I looked out the window, it was a downpour

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and the worst streets that were flooding, and some of

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the highways were flooding, road closures, and you know, it's

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pretty bad. But I'm not sure what's coming this week,

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but you know it is winter.

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Well, speaking of that, well a they better not stop

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my wine from shipping at Asnoma because I've ordered some

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wine over the weekends, so they better get it.

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You've got your priorities over.

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To me, and I mean that's all that matters to

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me right now. So what are we talking about this week?

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Well, we have a guest coming on shortly and we'll

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have a nice conversation with her.

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Yes, well you know, we know that, we know, and

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if you know, you know exactly and we nobody got

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time for that.

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As the say, so, we're gonna take a short little

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break and come back or what's the Yeah.

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We're gonna take a short little break and come back.

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Get the money off the nightstand and we'll break pleave

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to get to count it. No singles this time, only

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fives and twenties, tens, five and twenties.

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And we're back. How much did you get?

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Ah?

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Oh please, I'm not one to count the cash, okay, I.

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Trust that it's all there.

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As long as you can make the rent the mortgage payment,

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that's all that matters. Welcome to Donn and Gary do

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in sixty. I'm Evana Huvah and you are film a crackt.

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We're here to unwrap and unpack navigating the world at

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sixty know this age, however that is. You can find

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How old are you.

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I'm not gonna I'm trying to say read something here,

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so I'll tell you that later. But you can find

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So five for Pod Donn and Gary doing sixty and

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And then yeah, yeah, and then once you subscribe that

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it'll come.

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Up all the time exactly, so subscribe, no pressure, pressure.

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So anyway, yes, it's been fun week. It's actually you

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know what's funny, it's it's finally gotten to the point

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here where the weather has shifted. Because I was wearing

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shorts to work and all the time throughout the day

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at the end of November, because this is basically what

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the week before Thanksgiving, right, Yeah, so it's been I'm

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kind of like, come on, let's get cold already. I

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got some casume to put it on because I can't.

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You know, I was wearing shorts. But you've been pummeled

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a little bit. And I'm sure you've been wearing sweaters

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for months or weeks.

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Oh yeah, I mean I've you know, like I've got

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the sweatshirt on. I've actually brought out the blanket. When

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I sleep is before I select the sheet and the

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and the comforter, but how to add that extra layer.

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So and I wear socks because my feet get really

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cold when I'm sleeping, So now I have to wear socks.

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To all grown up wearing socks with a blanket, I know, right,

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That's why I got dogs. They just sleep on me.

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It's kind of the same thing. It's not great in summer,

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but you know, during the West time, it's actually good.

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Keats it all warm. So yeah, I'm excited about bringing

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back this segment. It's been very popular. We've had a

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lot of requests to join, so I'm excited that we

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are bringing more people into it because we have another

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couple of people booked in and a couple in the

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can That's right. I love having it in the can,

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don't you?

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Yes? Having having it into Canada skit.

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It's a euphemism, people, please.

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So I watched our last episode and I need to

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comment on something.

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It's not about us, about me.

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For those that I think no, Because the beginning of

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October we closed our officerside not to renew our lease.

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So now I'm working from home.

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What that meant was I had to bring a lot

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of stuff from the office home with me, and we

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have storage units downstairs, but I don't there aren't any

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that are available now, so I'm basically on a wait list.

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So until then, all that stuff is in my condo

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and I don't have a big condo.

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So what I noticed was on the last episode that

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I watched on YouTube, if both of us are on camera,

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it's great because it's a close up, but it's just me.

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You see my background and you see all this crap

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back there, and it's like task chair viny Those are

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samples that I sent out the client. So now what

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I did was I covered it with a lovely holiday

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ish but tablecloth, so that least you know, looks a

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little festive, but that's not normally.

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Oh I know, I noticed it, so embarrassed.

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So oh no, it's it's just like looks like your

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office space. And I think what you should do is

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charge your employer for rental of an office and charge

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it too.

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Well, no, when we when I get.

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Storage space downstairs, I will the company will pay for that.

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Oh they will. Oh that's good.

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Well I'm not paying for it.

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Well, somebody's gonna pay for it in one way or another.

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I pay for it all the time, money, let me

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tell you. But anyway, so that's my story about that.

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I do have some news, hopefully I'm not speaking out

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of turn. But our family grew by one more because

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my nephew and his wife had a baby boy yesterday.

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So the Pagarison name will live on.

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It's isn't it.

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Well this is my mom's second great grandchild, and then

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my older brother this is his first grandchild. So yeah,

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it's nice. They live in southern California and so and

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oddly enough, so my older brother, his first born, his

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daughter was born on his birthday, so they share the

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same birthday.

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Wow. So now his son, Justin, who got married couple.

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Several years ago, he and his wife had a baby

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and their son was born on Justin's birthday, so father

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and son have the same birthday, just like his dad.

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And it's kind of funny because it runs in the

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line with the numerology thing we're talking about about twenty

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sixty two in nineteen sixty two and right right, all

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that kind of stuff too, because it's interesting. And also

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does that make you a great uncle?

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I think so because.

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You're an uncle to your nephew, right, and that means

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that they've had a child.

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That means well, I'm a great uncle to him too, So.

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You're a great uncle to everybody.

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I'm a great uncle to everybody, and for even people

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I'm not related to im. Some kids of friends call

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me Uncle Gary just because in their lives, all their lives.

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Should I call you Uncle Gary?

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No, Well, because I'm you know, I'm not your uncle.

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You're not that great? Ah you started? Oh wait, I

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started this, Sorry you did. But it's interesting to see

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that happen with all your family just growing and growing.

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So a question for you, sure change the subject.

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I'm great.

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Since we are now we are the week leading into Thanksgiving.

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Have you done any of your holiday decorations.

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Yet, well, it depends on which holiday you're gearing towards,

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because I am a big fan of Thanksgiving, and we

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always say, don't give Thanksgiving the shaft hashtag don't give

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Thanksgiving the shaft because you needs it to due respect

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because everyone goes right from Halloween with voltil big boogie

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and right into Christmas. So I'm starting I'm working on

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my lighting design for the holiday. So it's it means

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that we deck out the house, but it's going to

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be for Thanksgiving because we're having I think eight people over.

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And then right the day after we go on.

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Full tilt boogie as the kids say, for Christmas. So yes,

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it's happening. I have decided not to wrap our pepper

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tree in the front of the house because last time

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almost fell off a ladder. I'm almost fifty sixty seventy,

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so I don't want to fall off the ladder again.

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So we're not wrapping that tree because it's very tall,

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and I get on a very tall ladder and sort

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of shake and hope that I don't.

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Fall out of the tree.

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Pay neighborhoo kid to do it.

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Well that would yeah, Actually, that's not a bad idea,

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but we're chopping that tree down next to year anyway.

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So okay, Well, I guess because I've been working from home,

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I have more time here, so I will tell you that.

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Actually a couple I haven't sent them out yet, but

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a couple of weeks ago I already did my holiday cards. Oh,

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they are written, stamped address. They are at the door.

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I'll probably put them out this week.

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Good for you.

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I you know my holiday tree is up year round,

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even though it's not decorated for the holidays.

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Yes, it is a major topic when we discuss it.

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It's a silver tree, so it's up and decorated.

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Can you send me a picture of it so we

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can add it to the podcast?

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Oh? Sure, I have.

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I have Christmas lights that are because i have such

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tall ceilings and exposed pipes, I've got Christmas lights that

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are strung year round, so I only turned them on

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this same year, so they're up already.

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And used the theme that tree out too, didn't you

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like you do for different like presidents.

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Dave, Well, that was the intent when I bought it

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upon spring several years ago and realized how difficult it

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was to assemble because you have to put in every

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single branch individually, and like I'm not taking it apart

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and then putting it back together in the next year.

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So it's been up.

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I've had it for I don't know eight years, and

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so one time when I had a party, it just

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went in.

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The bathtub where it belongs.

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This year, for when I did my party for my

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twentieth anniversary of having purchased as condo, I put the

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treautos out and proud and on the invitation said bring

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an ornament for my tree.

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So there's some.

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Assorted ornaments that people gave me from that, and then

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I added Christmas ornaments to fill it out.

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Well, please tell send me a picture of it, because

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I'd like to make sure that all our hundreds of

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thousands of listeners can see this treat that's up all

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year long.

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And I even give wrap my fireplace.

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Okay, I need a picture of that too.

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Yeah, just I just you know, put wrapping paper in.

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So you're a fan of decorating for hawk for Christmas

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before Thanksgiving.

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Normally I'd wait till probably the week of or weekend after,

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but I was here and yeah, I needed them to do.

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I get it.

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Some people here were decorated for Christmas right after the Halloween,

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so the Christmas lights went up. Yeah, there was Snowman inflatable,

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Santa's all that stuff.

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Plus I have a house guest coming the first week

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of December, so figure out why.

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I have it decorated so nice. They will have a

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nice day.

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Nice.

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Yeah, so I've gotten ahead of the game in that respect.

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But you're always You're so good at that. You're always

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very organized.

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I'd like to but did you.

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Do a newsletter or was it just a card saying no?

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Just you know, no, I did not put in cash

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this sid don't like. I don't like to give cash.

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I want cash in my card this time.

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Yeah, I no, I I just no newsletter because usually

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when I travel, that's a big nice opportunity to to

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write a poem or a Christmas letter. But I didn't

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really travel much this year, so that's kind of quiet,

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very sweet.

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What about you? What's what's going on your left?

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Well, I'm trying to get on top of the card

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thing because I didn't send out last year. Usually we

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just take a picture over at CBS and see them out. Oh,

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look at there's a lady to our left or right?

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Who is that lady?

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It is I Christine Freeman is.

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A man, but a surprise. You didn't expect you to

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be joining this work. Ain't nobody got time for that.

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It's so nice to see you, guys.

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It's so I see you.

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It is good to see you. It is good to

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see me, isn't it always kidding?

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So Christine, thank you for being with us. We've known

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you since at least high school. I'm trying to think

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what middle school did you go to?

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You and I were we forrell the same classes? I

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think in eighth grade.

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So that's been a minute.

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Yeah, and Don was asking when was the last time

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I saw you? I forget had to be one of

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our gatherings, but I don't know which one.

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Yeah it was. It was, you know, a high school

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friends gathering. You are usually the gatherer.

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He's good at that, guilty.

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Yeah, And it's just delightful to have like the opportunity

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to hang out with you. Guys. Well, thank you so

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much for your previous work.

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Oh well, I think we get that a lot, So

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I have to say, and I'm gonna pay you. I mean,

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I don't know if this is going to make you

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uncomfortable Chris. But I have to say I always, even

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in my memories of first meeting you and all the time,

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I always felt that you were a very and I'm

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not being COI but a very interesting person who was

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very full of their personality and very aware of who

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they were all the time. I mean, I just you

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just kind of stood out to me as someone who

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had a true, almost ironic tin twist on things. And

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I mean I just remember a lot of things that

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we pull back. I mean, there's the clown shoes, which

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I still love. I just said, this woman owns clown shoes,

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and she wears and she puts them out once in

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a while and she actually shows them and then she

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I think you Sorry, I'm going down a little memory

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tube here, But didn't you also buy the rat from

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an exterminator in sam Matteo?

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Was that you? There's a little rat?

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Yes, I did.

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I bought it at the Oakland Museum white outfit sale.

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And how big is the rat?

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It's about this big?

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Yes, Now, Gary, I don't know if you remember, but

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there was an exterminator in San Mateo that had a

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big rat on top of a pole, and Christine somehow

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secured the rat I guess the mascot in a smaller version.

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I always wanted one of those because you can see

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them on the trucks. Yes, and there was a big

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one on the building, and then each truck had is

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it Western Exterminator? I can't recall, I think anyway, I've

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always had a thing for advertising characters, and that one

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just really stood out. So now he has pride of

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place on in front of my fireplace.

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Yeah, and that's how I knew this person knows their

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truth if they get their rat and show it on

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social media saying look I got it. And I'm sure

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a lot of us who actually lived in the area said,

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oh my god, I know exactly who that is or

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where that was. So but again, I just thank you

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for joining us. It's a pleasure to talk with you.

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And I said, I've always I don't want to say

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admired you, but I always felt you stood out with

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the person that you are kind ironic about that, but

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you were a little bit ironic to you had a

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little a little i know, omph to your personality, as

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I recall, and you kind of just stood out to me.

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I remember that you stood right in front of me

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in choir and you and I were always.

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Laughing when I wasn't cutting class.

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Nice.

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Yeah, I know.

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Anyway, So how are you Christian good?

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I'm excited to be You're a little nervous.

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Are you?

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No, nothing, don't be nervous of Gary.

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He will be kind. You'll be kind of Gary.

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I know you will be kind.

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Oh I was talking about still.

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I have a question because you recently had a birthday, yes,

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last week. I think I did.

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Well.

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Happy birthday and.

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Happy birthday to you two as well recent birthdays. Yeah,

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I'm very proud of you both for being your age.

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Hence the name of the podcast, right, No, nothing wrong

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with it.

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And I think when Christina were speaking yesterday for a

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quick few minutes, she said, thank you for coming out

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of the closet of your sixteen.

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Yeah, we're not shy about it anymore.

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Well, I mean, if I could just jump in, it's

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does it is? It kind of? Does it make a

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difference to you? Is a number a thing for you?

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Does it is? It's holding a placeholder in your life

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turning whatever age you turn.

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You know we are all the same age. We are

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sixty two. And yeah, no, I don't think i've ever

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felt that thing except wanting to be older when I

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was younger, and I remember because I work with a

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lot of people who are much younger than I am,

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and I remember when I turned fifty, I was like

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this rocks, like this is almost the most outrageous thing

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I can do, is being fifty.

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So when you were younger, what was the idea being,

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why did you want to be older? What was this

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something that you were missing? Or we had a goal, and.

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They probably wanting to get out of our hometown and

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to start something. And my siblings are older than I

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am by eight, twelve and fourteen years, and they had

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already started their lives doing things, and we're in the

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middle of their lives and I wasn't.

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Snow So you're the youngest of four, Yeah as am I.

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Yeah, I'm the baby that saved the marriage.

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Okay.

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Oh that's a quote.

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From my mother and my father's quote is it did

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not need saving.

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Okay, Okay, So we you two went to Burrell Middle

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School eighth grade and then we all kind of conjoined

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in high school and Gere, you weren't part of the choir.

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I was not. I couldn't sing worth any still can't.

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Never never had.

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That talent, but you guys were part of like the

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theater crowd, and I think, you know, like Don's kind

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of in the middle of the Venn diagram on that one,

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because we would all sit together at lunch.

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And I would I would work in the theater, but

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never on stage. I was the I was part of

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the crew. I was behind the scenes trying to make

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him laugh on stage.

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And you know, Christine, we talked about high school too,

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but maybe we did talk a little bit about something.

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If I could ask you to do it again and

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kind of share with us about your you took. There

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was a course or some of course that was offered.

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Was it Barret or it was Burrell where he talked

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about proclivities towards your future employment or what would be

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when you grew up.

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So I have a vivid memory of this class. And

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it was in this classroom that Madame Mariecoti taught in

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and it was I don't know what the class was,

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but every once in a while there would be a

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segment where they play a film strip, which if you

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don't know what that is, the Internet is there for

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you for you to look it up anyway, So they

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would play these like instructional things and about different professions,

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and I very vividly remember the one about being a

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male carrier, and so this is what your mailman does,

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because he's always a guy, and you know, like he

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carries this thing and he drives around in this truck,

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and maybe you want to be one yourself. It's really important.

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And then we had to do an exercise in which

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we were asked to find that gave us a piece

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of paper with a street grid on it, and we

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had to find the most efficient way to deliver the

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mail to all of the houses. And then at the

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end of it, it was like showing you your aptitude

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for being a mail carrier.

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So they had the school was trying to push people

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into becoming mail carriers for their career choice, right in

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eighth grade.

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In eighth grade, and so I came home and I'm like, Mom,

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I didn't understand this whole I just I don't understand.

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And Mom said, that's okay, because you're going to be

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a dental hygienist. It my parents decided that being a

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dental hygienist was the best job ever. And sometimes I

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think she was right. I mean, she tried to tell

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me things that I wouldn't really understand. Like, you know,

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you can make your own hours. It's very transportable, so

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you could go live in different places. It pays well.

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You like teeth.

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We all like our teeth. So that was interesting though.

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But I mean I was also during that time when

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we were growing up in that most times a dental

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hygienis would be a female or yes, right, and that

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was kind of something that people expected to be, like

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a stewagess would be a woman back in the day,

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back in the day. So it's interesting that your mom

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might have thought that that would be something you'd be

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good at.

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I was never really clear about what my path was

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going to be. So and I didn't have really good

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I didn't have good you know, role models at home.

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You know, my dad sold insurance rather unsuccessfully. My mom

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cared for us in the home and did it spectacularly.

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And yeah, I just had no I didn't know what

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I was going to do with my life. I just

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knew that I needed to get out of there.

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Gary.

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Did you ever take that test?

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No, I don't remember that at all.

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Well, you didn't go to Madame WakaWaka whatever her name.

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Is, MARIOI I actually recognize that name.

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Well, we'll get to that later.

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Where was I I don't know.

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I just remember standing in that one classroom with you,

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and you and I having banter, so like when we

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were thirteen. I remember weird stuff. And that's partially why

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I think. I No, I.

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Have a pretty good memory, and I'm always bringing up

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stories to Don that he doesn't remember how I remember them.

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You know, some things just stick with me absolutely. I mean,

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it's been a few years. So I was going to

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ask you. So we already said that the number did

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mean anything. So that means that I assume that means

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that turning a certain age of forty, of fifty or

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sixty didn't really have any ramification.

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Yeah, same for me. I did not really have any

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issues with it. So when I turned.

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Fifty, I made a big deal about it and I

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had a party here for locals, and then I planned

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a trip to Italy with friends. We rented a house

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in the countryside of Italy, and then for my sixtieth

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I did a big party and you know, catered and everything.

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So while I, on the one hand, I don't like

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to put a lot of tension on me, I wanted

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to do that just to gather.

489
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:47.680
Family and friends and totally kind of celebrate it.

490
00:24:48.039 --> 00:24:50.559
So for your any of your fifty or sixty, did

491
00:24:50.599 --> 00:24:52.440
you anything big anything memory?

492
00:24:52.440 --> 00:24:58.160
I did on my fiftieth, we did two things. My

493
00:24:58.279 --> 00:25:01.720
brother in law and I are the same age, and

494
00:25:02.000 --> 00:25:07.759
I'm Christine, he's Christophe, and they he and my sister

495
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.359
live in Minnesota, so it's really they couldn't come out

496
00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:15.640
for both Christmas and Thanksgiving, so and our birthdays. His

497
00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:18.960
is in October, minds in November, so we decided we

498
00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:24.480
were going to have Chris Giving, and we used it

499
00:25:24.519 --> 00:25:27.599
as an excuse to have a family and a few

500
00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:34.559
friends gather in Sanmititana and yeah, we you know, put

501
00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:41.200
together some keynotes and it was really it was very fun.

502
00:25:41.319 --> 00:25:45.720
And then I, yeah, I did three things. I had

503
00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:50.960
a birthday at my house, which we don't have parties.

504
00:25:51.039 --> 00:25:53.400
I think my husband and I have maybe had three

505
00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:58.480
parties our entire lives together. So yeah, I had Sumo

506
00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:02.440
Sunday because I love sumo, and so I had sumo

507
00:26:02.559 --> 00:26:06.960
going in the corner and people came over and watched

508
00:26:07.000 --> 00:26:11.839
sumo with us. And then we went to Disneyland.

509
00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:14.039
Real nice.

510
00:26:14.279 --> 00:26:17.920
Yeah, So we did all those things and I haven't

511
00:26:17.920 --> 00:26:19.599
had a significant birthday since.

512
00:26:21.440 --> 00:26:22.799
Did you enjoy Disneyland?

513
00:26:23.079 --> 00:26:29.400
I did. Actually, Disneyland happened first and I was in

514
00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:33.440
line with my husband for a ride and I saw

515
00:26:33.480 --> 00:26:36.400
this kid and he put his face on the handrail

516
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:41.000
and just like licked the handrail all the way up

517
00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:45.839
the rock, you know, up the line, and I was like,

518
00:26:46.160 --> 00:26:50.839
we're all gonna die, And sure enough I got the

519
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:55.279
worst strip of my life. So I Chris giving. I

520
00:26:55.319 --> 00:27:01.079
only had enough. I only had enough voice to narrate

521
00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:06.519
my keynote and after that it was to like, jeers.

522
00:27:06.119 --> 00:27:11.079
Wow, what kids looking a rail in a freaking public park?

523
00:27:11.240 --> 00:27:17.319
Rail liquors? I never loved it was and this is

524
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:20.319
way before COVID. I'm like, this is how it happens people.

525
00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:23.200
I think we have the title for the episode now,

526
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:24.440
we're going to call it rail liquors.

527
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:29.799
Totally calling all rail liquors.

528
00:27:31.119 --> 00:27:34.079
So you dropped a couple of nuggets too, Christine last time,

529
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:36.079
and I wanted to ask you to talk about him

530
00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:36.480
a little bit.

531
00:27:36.519 --> 00:27:39.680
But you were in or still are in.

532
00:27:39.640 --> 00:27:40.279
A rock band.

533
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:43.519
It's been a while, okay, so.

534
00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:45.039
But you were in one.

535
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:51.519
Yeah, So you know, I I graduated from college with

536
00:27:51.640 --> 00:27:58.680
a degree in medieval studies. Wait, nobody laughed. Everybody laughs.

537
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:03.599
Trying to I've find be supportive and we're just nodding.

538
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:07.759
Our heads are too nice. It was like, I was like,

539
00:28:07.799 --> 00:28:10.799
what the hell? Great, like, how do you how do

540
00:28:10.839 --> 00:28:13.279
you even get to how do you decide that you

541
00:28:13.279 --> 00:28:17.079
would like to study medieval I guess history.

542
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:18.519
Yeah.

543
00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:22.599
I was in a re enactment group and it was

544
00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:26.519
super fun, and I really loved history in the period,

545
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:29.519
and I just wanted to immerse myself in it. There

546
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:32.880
wasn't really an end goal. I think my dad would

547
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:34.279
ask me, you know, what are you going to do

548
00:28:34.319 --> 00:28:36.519
with your life? And I'd say, I don't know. Maybe

549
00:28:36.559 --> 00:28:38.079
I'm going to pump gass.

550
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:41.440
Or you're going to quote things from the history while

551
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:43.279
you're cleaning someone's.

552
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:48.279
Teeth precisely right, they can't go any precisely. Oh I

553
00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:48.720
like that.

554
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:51.400
Maybe there's still see reinventions.

555
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:53.759
You know, they didn't have one of these back in

556
00:28:53.759 --> 00:28:54.640
the medieval times.

557
00:28:56.480 --> 00:28:57.880
No one even had teeth back then.

558
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:07.000
Here's your stick. Yeah. So that primed me for nothing, and.

559
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:12.680
I waited tables for now you're getting the laughs.

560
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:15.680
So I waited tables for ten and a half years.

561
00:29:15.720 --> 00:29:20.519
So I ended up dating a guy who was a

562
00:29:20.640 --> 00:29:25.039
musician and at one point he started a band and

563
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:28.599
I was like me too, and he was like yeah,

564
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:31.799
And then I was in that band for a very

565
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:35.519
short amount of time, but I ended up He introduced

566
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:39.359
me to his ex girlfriend and she and I shared

567
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:45.960
an interest in this one musical artist and that kind

568
00:29:46.000 --> 00:29:50.799
of bonded us, and I started playing bass with her

569
00:29:51.119 --> 00:29:54.720
and she played guitar. We both sang. We played in

570
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.599
bands in the city or excuse me, clubs in the city,

571
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:03.440
and yeah, so for a couple of years that's what

572
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:09.599
we did. And then yeah, we ended up singing with

573
00:30:09.880 --> 00:30:14.160
the guy that we both had an interest in singing with.

574
00:30:14.200 --> 00:30:15.119
So that was critic.

575
00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:19.400
Isaac, Oh, wow, you sang with Chris Isaac.

576
00:30:19.480 --> 00:30:21.680
Yeah, on that.

577
00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:25.400
One name drop is he queued up close.

578
00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:29.400
To ah very it was hard for me to keep

579
00:30:29.400 --> 00:30:35.039
it cool disturbing, but yeah, so we sang with him

580
00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:39.400
in the studio on Heart Shape World and that's what

581
00:30:39.599 --> 00:30:43.400
the song Wicked Game was on. And yeah, it was

582
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:48.279
super fun. I mean yeah, it was like dream come

583
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:51.799
true kind of stuff. It came out on a major label.

584
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:57.559
The record sank like a stone. It was sad for

585
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:02.759
a year, you know. So it's funny is at our

586
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.720
ten year high school reunion, it was I was in

587
00:31:07.759 --> 00:31:12.759
a sad state. I the restaurant where I was working

588
00:31:12.920 --> 00:31:20.200
had just closed. My boyfriend dumped me, and then I

589
00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:26.440
was super proud of this, this recording sessions that we

590
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:32.440
had done, and they disappeared without a trace. But several

591
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:37.000
months later the song became a huge hit, and so

592
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:42.480
that was amazing. And you know, to this day's I

593
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:45.279
hear it and at the very end of the song,

594
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:47.599
I'm the higher of the two harmonies. And at the

595
00:31:47.680 --> 00:31:51.000
very end of the song, when he's singing with a

596
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:53.400
girl who sounds like she's twelve, that is me.

597
00:31:55.039 --> 00:31:59.559
No, well, I got to go listen to that. See,

598
00:31:59.599 --> 00:32:01.960
these are the all these really interesting little nuggets about

599
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:03.559
your life, which is why I also call you out

600
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:06.200
for being this person that's very true to themselves because

601
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:11.200
a you have a rat figurine from someone you also

602
00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:13.720
a very interested in sumo, because I see you posting

603
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:16.000
that quite a bit, and also I think you also

604
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.400
play the ukulele too, don't you. Are you a fan

605
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:19.920
of Hawaiian music?

606
00:32:20.160 --> 00:32:23.720
Yes, those are all or all of those things. I

607
00:32:23.759 --> 00:32:31.920
haven't really played since the since the pandemic. Yes, I

608
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:36.599
own like six ukuleles ands, I'm so.

609
00:32:38.519 --> 00:32:39.039
Yeah.

610
00:32:39.359 --> 00:32:42.599
When I was dating the musician guy and working in

611
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:47.200
a restaurant, there was a there was a music store

612
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:50.839
going out of business and they had these ukuleles for

613
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:54.119
a deep discount, and I was like, that is the

614
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:57.400
cutest instrument ever. I am going to buy one and

615
00:32:57.440 --> 00:32:59.279
I'm either going to learn to play it or I'm

616
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:00.559
going to make it into a hat.

617
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:04.599
And she did both.

618
00:33:06.359 --> 00:33:09.960
So I quasi learned to play it. And then I

619
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:15.920
bought like good instruments, good ukuleles, and I didn't really

620
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:19.240
play them. But a friend at work was in an

621
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:22.599
ukulele band, and I kind of let it be known

622
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:25.000
that I had some ukuleles and he was like, well,

623
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:28.200
why aren't you playing them? And I was like anyway,

624
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.160
He said, come to class with me, and I did.

625
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:34.119
And so for five years, I think it was around

626
00:33:34.160 --> 00:33:39.000
five years I was in this class. It was you know,

627
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:42.200
they'd hand out music and we'd learned chug a chug

628
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:46.240
a chuga, learn how to play Auntie and Uncle. Their

629
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:51.519
repertoire was a lot of Hawaiian music. In the Hawaiian

630
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:58.119
language as well as sort of territorial period mix of

631
00:33:58.319 --> 00:34:03.319
English and Hawaiian music. And we just learned how to

632
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:07.559
play by just playing together and we would play out

633
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:12.800
and it was it was really great. It was super great.

634
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:20.440
So and eventually we graduated from that band, which meant

635
00:34:21.159 --> 00:34:28.880
in our leaders in our leaders language, that meant they

636
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:34.519
kicked us out. So they kicked us out, and our

637
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:37.559
friends who were in that band, a type group of

638
00:34:37.639 --> 00:34:41.519
us formed a different band where we played a mix

639
00:34:41.599 --> 00:34:48.840
of music in English, Hawaiiantahitian and we mostly played in

640
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:55.280
our kitchen and we've been friends ever since. We was

641
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:59.360
a group of people. They're my dear dear friends, and

642
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:03.119
so it kind of it evolved and at work.

643
00:35:03.039 --> 00:35:04.719
I have to say, but I have to ask this

644
00:35:04.760 --> 00:35:06.960
one last question because I'm not familiar. But you play

645
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:10.760
an ukulele up here, but you play a bass down here, correct,

646
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:14.719
and so you're is it basically the same skill? I mean,

647
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:17.519
I'm sure it's different strings now because how many strings

648
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:18.480
does it're both?

649
00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:21.679
For you hear for but the tuning is different, so

650
00:35:21.760 --> 00:35:26.199
you hear I know a lot of bass players who

651
00:35:26.320 --> 00:35:30.519
are also ukulelea players, and now there's you know, everybody

652
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:36.480
plays in ukulele. But but yeah, and at work, we

653
00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:38.800
also had a band and we also had a choir.

654
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:45.639
So you know where music has been. I have followed.

655
00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:48.760
It sounds like it, because that's that's what It was

656
00:35:48.760 --> 00:35:50.679
interesting to me because I thought I forgot about this,

657
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:52.400
and I remember that and it's oh my to me.

658
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:54.880
I'm sorry, I'm just fangirling about you a little bit

659
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:57.320
right now. You seem quite fascinating to me.

660
00:35:57.679 --> 00:35:58.679
I'm so unworthy.

661
00:35:59.800 --> 00:36:03.039
Oh stop, shut up, Gary's unworthy. You're worthy.

662
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:05.880
Hello on the podcast.

663
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:08.719
Okay, I know, yeah, I've arrived.

664
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:13.480
So I have a question because and listening to your story,

665
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:16.519
there's been so much music involved in your life. Yet

666
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:19.400
when you went to college, was music any part of

667
00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:22.360
your studies or goals or anything.

668
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.119
Well, I've been such a follower in a lot of

669
00:36:25.119 --> 00:36:30.199
these stories. So I had a roommate who was auditioning

670
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:34.159
for the choir, and since in high school I'd been

671
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:39.159
in the big choir and the madrigal choir. Don were

672
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:39.960
you in madrigals?

673
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:40.880
No?

674
00:36:40.960 --> 00:36:42.519
I wasn't good enough. I was cutting class.

675
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:46.719
You had so much fun, and I'm sure you had

676
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:50.480
fun where you were as well, But I had a

677
00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:54.559
roommate who was auditioning for the choir, and so I

678
00:36:55.079 --> 00:37:00.159
did also, and so it was it was awesome. I

679
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:04.800
think I did it for two years and it was

680
00:37:05.519 --> 00:37:09.119
I loved it because I you know, I loved the repertoire.

681
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:14.039
I was gonna say, was that when you were studying

682
00:37:14.079 --> 00:37:17.880
medieval studies, because don't they play the lute? And isn't

683
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:21.840
that a string instrument? Also that see I know a lot.

684
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:22.800
I'm not just this.

685
00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:29.280
You are following along closely.

686
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:31.639
Don he's so much more.

687
00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:36.079
Yeah. No. And then I was, you know, going to

688
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:46.760
the record store and buying like classical guitar of records

689
00:37:46.800 --> 00:37:53.280
of the period and Robbie Shankar and you know, so

690
00:37:53.679 --> 00:37:58.000
I was learning about different kinds of music as well,

691
00:37:59.400 --> 00:38:01.599
not that I did didn't have a Leo Sayer record.

692
00:38:01.639 --> 00:38:04.400
Also, who didn't.

693
00:38:09.480 --> 00:38:12.760
You had mentioned something too back to like your trajectory

694
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:17.760
to sixty two. You had mentioned that you had to

695
00:38:17.760 --> 00:38:20.000
make a decision. I think it was about your decision

696
00:38:20.079 --> 00:38:24.920
to study medieval studies, that if you didn't make a

697
00:38:24.960 --> 00:38:27.360
decision about something, that your life was going to happen

698
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:29.239
to you rather than you taking charge of it.

699
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:35.360
Ah. This was a little later So while I was so,

700
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:41.639
I was working in restaurants at Berkeley, and I was

701
00:38:41.840 --> 00:38:51.280
playing bass in bands, and eventually you know, playing bass

702
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:58.360
in other different bands. And I developed a repetitive stress

703
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:03.920
injury really bad at work, and so I had to

704
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:10.079
stop working and I had to repair my body. So

705
00:39:10.119 --> 00:39:15.239
I had like upper extremity issues, and so I couldn't

706
00:39:15.280 --> 00:39:19.960
do anything. I couldn't operate a doorknob without like two

707
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:24.960
hands and super gently before example. So I you know,

708
00:39:25.039 --> 00:39:29.280
couldn't play music, couldn't do anything. But I qualified for

709
00:39:29.519 --> 00:39:37.599
workers' comp and that sent me to vocational rehab and

710
00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:42.360
VOKE Rehab was such a gift. So I got to

711
00:39:42.440 --> 00:39:47.440
work with a really wonderful woman and she put me

712
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:54.559
through my paces. She interviewed me, she made me, you know,

713
00:39:54.639 --> 00:40:00.320
write down stories about things that were that where I

714
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:05.199
was using skills that reinforced myself and made me feel

715
00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:09.119
good about what I was doing. And she taught me

716
00:40:09.639 --> 00:40:14.599
that I would be able to that what I should

717
00:40:14.599 --> 00:40:18.480
be trying to do is finding the best intersection of

718
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:22.039
my aptitudes and my interests. But I didn't really know

719
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:26.960
what they were. So I went to the library and

720
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:31.119
we had this incredibly tiny, one room library in the

721
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:35.360
town that I lived in, and I picked up this

722
00:40:35.519 --> 00:40:39.800
huge book which was called the Directory of Occupational.

723
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:45.199
Titles, and I read every page of the It was

724
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:51.480
just like a listing of different job titles, and it's

725
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:52.760
obviously expansive.

726
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:55.880
It was a big darn book. And I wrote down

727
00:40:56.119 --> 00:41:00.320
like everything that interested me that I thought that maybe

728
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:04.960
I could learn how to do. And so that was

729
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:08.679
the kind of thing that I did when I was

730
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:13.480
when this change was forced on me, and I really

731
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:20.880
did feel like, this is a disastrous situation. I don't

732
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.559
know how I'm going to make money. I don't know

733
00:41:23.599 --> 00:41:27.159
what my body will let me do. But if I

734
00:41:27.280 --> 00:41:33.440
don't make a choice, the choice will happen to me.

735
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:38.960
So I just had to put all of my research

736
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:44.760
skills into finding a new way of life. So, you know,

737
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:48.159
my big joke was I'm gonna have to learn how

738
00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:50.119
to lift things with my mind.

739
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:54.000
Oh that's a good one, you know.

740
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:56.719
Because, like you know, from the neck down, I wasn't

741
00:41:56.760 --> 00:42:05.039
doing so well. So anyway, it was an approach that

742
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:11.840
I've used in the rest of my life.

743
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:14.480
But that was a point of reinvention for you, wasn't.

744
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:17.800
I mean, you also discovered some way of actually doing

745
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:20.719
the research. Because again, let me understand, this book literally

746
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:24.760
had job titles. That was its sole purpose to hold jobs.

747
00:42:24.519 --> 00:42:26.519
And you have to learn about the jobs.

748
00:42:28.400 --> 00:42:31.360
And was that part of your own reinvention? Did you

749
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:34.760
decide to go down that path to find a direction,

750
00:42:35.000 --> 00:42:35.639
a new direction?

751
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:36.639
Yeah?

752
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:39.199
I had to or was that because I was unemployed?

753
00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:45.960
I was on disability, as I recall, at the height

754
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:48.800
of my disability, it paid me six hundred and thirty

755
00:42:48.800 --> 00:42:53.320
six dollars a month. So yeah, luckily we lived in

756
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:59.840
this tiny little refinery town and managed to you know,

757
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:05.360
live on rice and expired tasty meals Indian food in

758
00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:11.840
a pouch with the occasional carrots. Anyway, Yeah, so then

759
00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:15.280
you had to research what does it mean? What is

760
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:20.519
this job? And at the internet was really in its

761
00:43:20.559 --> 00:43:26.239
infancy then. But but I was already and early, you know,

762
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:30.320
an adopter, And so I found the corresponding website that

763
00:43:30.400 --> 00:43:34.840
told you this is what this job does, these are

764
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:41.000
the skills that you need, these are the job requirements.

765
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:44.599
And also back then in the newspapers there were classified ads.

766
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:49.000
So I would look at the classified ads and think about, how,

767
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:53.679
here's a job that I think I might like, how

768
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.480
do I get from where I am to what you

769
00:43:56.679 --> 00:44:01.280
need to do this job? So that's kind of how

770
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:05.119
I've operated ever since, Like, okay, well that looks hard,

771
00:44:05.280 --> 00:44:08.079
but how do we get from here to there? Where

772
00:44:08.239 --> 00:44:15.079
am I? So I also did some really deep personal assessment. Okay,

773
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:19.079
what what am I working with here? Okay, well that's

774
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:23.679
not great? Okay, but I was doing this with a

775
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:30.039
job counselor who was helping me see the worth in

776
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:34.760
what functional skills I had already developed.

777
00:44:34.840 --> 00:44:39.719
So okay, I just think it's a very interesting way

778
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:42.840
to get to from point A to point B. It's

779
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:44.320
very interesting how you chose that.

780
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:50.440
I'm I think one of my superpowers is my curiosity,

781
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:56.039
and it also is very distracting.

782
00:44:56.199 --> 00:44:59.559
But I learned a lot, which is funny because one

783
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:01.400
of my questions is what are your super powers? And

784
00:45:01.440 --> 00:45:03.880
you kind of just gave that too, So I appreciate that.

785
00:45:04.119 --> 00:45:11.480
Yeah, that's curiosity, humor, I guess, you know, the ability

786
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:18.719
to see the willingness to see humor in situations because

787
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:22.760
that's a choice, and the ability to know what people

788
00:45:22.800 --> 00:45:27.519
are gonna want to know in ten years. Yeah, so

789
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:33.079
that helps me make selections in my job.

790
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:36.119
So if I could.

791
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:39.519
When it comes to where we are in our lives

792
00:45:39.559 --> 00:45:42.079
right now, so we're we're basically labeled as boomers or

793
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:45.679
baby boomers. I know, and I don't know who decided

794
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:46.840
that or who made that.

795
00:45:46.880 --> 00:45:49.800
Up, and nobody likes the category they're in, so.

796
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:53.599
I know, but but yeah, I guess. I guess my

797
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:54.159
question is too.

798
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:58.000
I'm assuming you are exposed to quite a few millennials,

799
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:00.440
gen xers, gen zs, and now Alpha is the new

800
00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:02.880
group that's coming up as children, and I'm not sure

801
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:05.599
who labels this, So does that Do you ever fall

802
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:09.840
into that trope of labeling people or noticing behaviors from

803
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:12.800
certain generations. Because we're considered boomers, we're supposed to be, like,

804
00:46:13.119 --> 00:46:15.320
you know, barely know how to handle a telephone or

805
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:17.880
a phone, an iPhone or electronics.

806
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:19.320
So that's a typical thing.

807
00:46:19.360 --> 00:46:22.679
Have you noticed that in your exposure to these different

808
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:23.599
groups of people.

809
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:30.599
I'm I work with a lot of kind people, okay,

810
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:36.719
and so I don't pretend to know things that I

811
00:46:36.760 --> 00:46:39.920
don't know. I'm like, come on, I'm old, help me,

812
00:46:42.280 --> 00:46:46.480
and again, using humor, it's like I recognize.

813
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:46.679
That I.

814
00:46:48.159 --> 00:46:49.519
Need you young people.

815
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:53.440
To help me answer the phone.

816
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:58.920
Well, eventually I get kind of good at the technology,

817
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:01.840
but yeah, that was one thing I had to learn

818
00:47:01.880 --> 00:47:02.880
when I was in school.

819
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:06.280
You could also explain to them what a film strip

820
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:10.360
projector is. I could, I know, but nobody would know

821
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:12.159
what it is because you know, I remember what they

822
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:12.519
are too.

823
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:16.159
But like, if they're curious people, they can look it

824
00:47:16.239 --> 00:47:20.360
up on the interwebs, right, Yeah, I'm sure there's somebody

825
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:24.039
out there on YouTube who wants to demonstrate it. Also,

826
00:47:25.199 --> 00:47:30.159
I bet there's some YouTube channel that will actually show

827
00:47:30.199 --> 00:47:34.199
you the exact one that makes you learn how to

828
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:38.719
be a mail carrier. By the way, I've always really

829
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:43.800
dug the shorts, and they also have great.

830
00:47:43.559 --> 00:47:47.960
Benefits, true, and the socks. They get socks too, and

831
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:49.480
they get that cool safari hat.

832
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:51.000
I love it all.

833
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:53.440
It's tempting.

834
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:55.239
And let's talk about the mail bag, shall we.

835
00:47:56.840 --> 00:48:00.000
That's where I think about physical theory.

836
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:03.840
Yeah, so, I mean when it sounds like you're not

837
00:48:03.880 --> 00:48:07.840
the type of person that falls into the trap of labeling.

838
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.159
So you know, when it comes to millennials, gen x

839
00:48:10.239 --> 00:48:11.880
is that kind of thing that's something you really don't

840
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.119
acknowledge or yeah, because it's something I think it's marketing

841
00:48:15.159 --> 00:48:18.039
from the media in some way to be able to

842
00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:20.639
market more things to people in certain groups and not

843
00:48:20.719 --> 00:48:21.719
calling it an age group.

844
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:24.760
Oh my god, Well you should see what they serve

845
00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:29.679
me up on, you know, on the pop up ads.

846
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:32.679
In the arp ad you mean, no, for.

847
00:48:32.599 --> 00:48:39.039
A while it was per Simmon scented soap from Japan

848
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:46.039
that makes you not smell like old people and they're

849
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:52.239
super super into Yeah, I get all these ads for

850
00:48:52.360 --> 00:48:59.280
like being buried in the woods. That's not where I'm

851
00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:00.239
going people.

852
00:49:00.760 --> 00:49:06.039
Right, No, can I backcrack what you're talking about?

853
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:07.079
Get us off this one?

854
00:49:07.480 --> 00:49:10.519
Yes, no, because I didn't want to interrupt your conversation,

855
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:14.880
but I wanted to find out with the disabilities you

856
00:49:14.920 --> 00:49:18.760
were experiencing, did that improve?

857
00:49:18.840 --> 00:49:20.719
What's the status of that? I mean, where are you

858
00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:21.079
with that?

859
00:49:21.519 --> 00:49:26.159
So I was very lucky, Like my curiosity started early

860
00:49:26.559 --> 00:49:30.079
while I was initially having the problems, and I would

861
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:38.320
ask my customers at the restaurant, like, Hey, here's what's

862
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:41.400
going on with me? What do you think I should do?

863
00:49:42.000 --> 00:49:47.320
And one of my favorite customers, she said, you need

864
00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:50.360
this kind of doctor, and it was a physiatrist, which

865
00:49:50.400 --> 00:49:55.280
is a never heard of it. It is a soft

866
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:58.599
tissue doctor, and she said, I know this guy. He

867
00:49:59.519 --> 00:50:02.960
is I think he treats the forty nine ers and

868
00:50:03.000 --> 00:50:07.840
the Olympic ice skating team and this is his discipline

869
00:50:07.880 --> 00:50:13.280
and he's a really great doctor. So I got in

870
00:50:13.320 --> 00:50:18.280
with him and he suggested some physical therapists. The physical

871
00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:25.920
therapist and I were a really good fit. And yeah,

872
00:50:25.960 --> 00:50:28.840
I just did it the same way. I have to

873
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:33.119
rebuild my body. So I did every single thing that

874
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:35.840
they ever told me. And in fact, I'm like a

875
00:50:36.480 --> 00:50:41.960
I don't know a proselytizer for body mechanics when people

876
00:50:42.000 --> 00:50:45.360
are having a hard time. Because the things that they

877
00:50:45.440 --> 00:50:52.719
taught me helped fix me. And also I trusted them

878
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:57.719
so much that I said I need a vocational rehab counselor.

879
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:01.079
I understand that's the next step. I would like from

880
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:07.000
all of you a list of the vocational rehab counselors

881
00:51:07.639 --> 00:51:11.079
who might be a good fit for me and understand me,

882
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:16.119
because you can imagine I'm not everybody's cup of teeth.

883
00:51:16.239 --> 00:51:19.000
So and I didn't want somebody who was just going

884
00:51:19.079 --> 00:51:26.719
to say, you know who would suggest jobs that wouldn't

885
00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:30.039
be good for me. So the second person on their list,

886
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:34.519
first person was unpleasant on the phone and busy, and

887
00:51:34.559 --> 00:51:37.920
the second person was just a super great fit and

888
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:46.880
I sing her praises to this day. So over time,

889
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:50.280
because I wasn't doing the same work and I was

890
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:55.400
doing exercises to help strengthen the parts of my body

891
00:51:55.440 --> 00:52:00.280
that needed to be in better alignment and stronger, I

892
00:52:00.440 --> 00:52:03.920
was able to do a lot more things, but I

893
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:08.039
wore splints on my hands, custom splints for years and years.

894
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:14.920
It was many years later that I started playing an instrument. Yeah,

895
00:52:14.960 --> 00:52:17.920
so it was like seven years later when I picked

896
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:20.760
up an ukulele. I was like, you know, I don't

897
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:24.480
know if I can actually play this without harming myself.

898
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:29.920
But wow, happily as long as I don't do too

899
00:52:30.119 --> 00:52:34.400
much stuff, it's okay. But at the time that this

900
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:40.039
was all happening, I was in constant pain for years

901
00:52:40.079 --> 00:52:47.079
and I didn't know that that I would be able

902
00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:49.639
to have my body back.

903
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:54.639
That's coodness to you because you're the one that have

904
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:59.480
the curiosity and the desire to learn more. Talk to people,

905
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:03.239
get in for get the right information and find you

906
00:53:03.360 --> 00:53:06.599
said the right fit, because if they give you a list,

907
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:08.719
like well, he's first on list, so it's got to

908
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:09.320
be that person.

909
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:14.960
But your determination to get better is what helped you.

910
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:16.679
So obviously kudos to you.

911
00:53:16.599 --> 00:53:19.800
For and just so you know, the whole time I

912
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:24.599
was terrified, I was broke, I was terrified, I was

913
00:53:24.639 --> 00:53:27.280
in pain, but I didn't have a choice. I saw

914
00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:29.199
this as not a choice.

915
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:34.119
Interestingly enough, to I've heard from many doctors that I've

916
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:35.800
seen in the past, said, you know, they ask you,

917
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:38.280
they leave you with certain instructions on what to follow

918
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:41.719
and how to do them. Oddly and strange enough, contrary

919
00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:45.840
to your story, most patients do not follow through and

920
00:53:45.960 --> 00:53:49.519
follow their recommendations from their doctors. They literally do not

921
00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:50.840
do that. So if they say you need to take

922
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:52.800
this pill every other day, or you need to do

923
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:56.639
this exercise or this type of therapy for yourself, seldom

924
00:53:56.920 --> 00:53:58.119
do people swallow.

925
00:53:57.800 --> 00:53:59.079
Through with it, believe it or not.

926
00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:01.519
So it seems morecude to you for your determination to

927
00:54:01.599 --> 00:54:02.119
getting better.

928
00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:06.239
I'm mostly that person, just so you know. But but

929
00:54:06.400 --> 00:54:10.159
I just I'm I operated on faith.

930
00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:15.360
Okay, So, Christine, who would play you in a movie?

931
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:19.599
John Cusack?

932
00:54:21.039 --> 00:54:24.000
Okay, I get that. Yes, that was a good one.

933
00:54:24.719 --> 00:54:30.599
Nice Like when I was waiting tables and John Cusack

934
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:37.000
was in that movie Toys mm hmmm. And I would

935
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:42.920
like wear some really funky stuff at work and people

936
00:54:42.960 --> 00:54:47.320
would say, you know who you remind me of? And

937
00:54:47.360 --> 00:54:48.599
it was always John Cusack.

938
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:51.639
You didn't have a plastic wig, did you?

939
00:54:51.880 --> 00:54:54.400
I didn't, but you know, surprised.

940
00:54:54.400 --> 00:54:57.079
I would wear these ribbons in my hair like a

941
00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:02.480
bow that was like this big, you know, an American flag.

942
00:55:05.760 --> 00:55:12.119
Okay, yeah, have you taken advantage of any senior discounts.

943
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:14.639
At the Siler?

944
00:55:14.840 --> 00:55:17.800
Well, I'm kind of thinking that I need to revisit

945
00:55:18.039 --> 00:55:25.159
the the Goodwill discount because literally today I was planning

946
00:55:25.199 --> 00:55:31.280
for seeing you and I realized I only have black

947
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:36.920
T shirts with slogans on them or cats or whatever.

948
00:55:38.679 --> 00:55:42.480
You know Marie Condo. You know Marie Condo. Yeah, okay,

949
00:55:42.519 --> 00:55:45.519
So I do the Marie Condo thing with my T shirts,

950
00:55:45.880 --> 00:55:51.440
and I organize them by There are T shirts that

951
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:55.079
have that are for work. There are the cat T shirts,

952
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:58.199
there are the Sumo T shirts and the baseball T

953
00:55:58.280 --> 00:56:02.599
shirts and yeah, so they're kind of organized that way.

954
00:56:02.599 --> 00:56:06.119
And I realized I have no way to show up

955
00:56:06.159 --> 00:56:09.320
for people when it's not casual any longer.

956
00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:12.639
So, but do they all bring you joy.

957
00:56:13.639 --> 00:56:18.599
Yeah. Also, okay, Marie Condo sells stuff. Now. She wanted

958
00:56:18.599 --> 00:56:20.599
you to get rid of everything, and now you can

959
00:56:20.639 --> 00:56:21.599
buy her stuff.

960
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:23.079
Wow.

961
00:56:23.239 --> 00:56:26.960
It's like, wow, you lady, you play a long game.

962
00:56:29.599 --> 00:56:31.880
Probably things to organize the stuff that give you joy.

963
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:34.559
You can keep all those Sumo T shirts and some

964
00:56:34.599 --> 00:56:37.280
container of some kind that will fit in your drawer or.

965
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:42.519
So. I'm out of the loop. I'm out of the loop.

966
00:56:43.119 --> 00:56:45.920
What is this good will discount?

967
00:56:45.960 --> 00:56:50.760
So the good Will discount is well, I need to investigate.

968
00:56:50.880 --> 00:56:53.960
I need to use my curiosity and get my money.

969
00:56:55.559 --> 00:56:59.039
Apparently there's a senior discount and Goodwill. And when I

970
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:04.920
turned fifty, I tried to get my my colleagues at

971
00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:09.599
work to go to Denny's with me so that I

972
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:13.199
could order off the back of the page. They wouldn't

973
00:57:13.239 --> 00:57:13.559
do it.

974
00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:17.599
I only did it once. It was in Hawaii.

975
00:57:18.559 --> 00:57:20.639
I just want to go order the moon over my Hammi,

976
00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:25.119
so I can say that, right, I'd like a moon

977
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:25.800
over my hammy.

978
00:57:25.840 --> 00:57:28.119
Please. It's amazing.

979
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:30.519
It's just it sings when you say it, moon over

980
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:32.119
Mi HAAMMI totally.

981
00:57:33.800 --> 00:57:36.239
That It's a classic.

982
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:40.440
Like, apparently I need to get out more because I

983
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:41.360
and the cerbird.

984
00:57:41.920 --> 00:57:46.119
I didn't know about the moon. Over my Hammi, for.

985
00:57:46.559 --> 00:57:49.039
This topic, for the for the podcast, over my hand.

986
00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:52.639
We can live podcast from Denny's and order off the

987
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:58.400
back page together. I want to do it.

988
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:03.320
It's a day, so sorry. I know I'm asking a

989
00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:04.840
lot of questions too, Gary, but let me just s

990
00:58:04.880 --> 00:58:08.000
throw this one out. Yes, you are well welcome to

991
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:12.679
the podcast without you know, you don't have to divulge

992
00:58:12.719 --> 00:58:15.320
anything with regards to where your head is, but with

993
00:58:15.440 --> 00:58:18.920
regards to the future and politics and all the things

994
00:58:18.920 --> 00:58:21.440
that took place over the last few weeks, where you're at.

995
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:24.559
Are you hopeful, are you worried? Are you concerned? Are

996
00:58:24.599 --> 00:58:27.599
you not going to watch TV for a long time?

997
00:58:32.000 --> 00:58:36.079
Such a good question. I have a lot going on

998
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:42.760
in my life and I need to keep it positive.

999
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:44.119
Yep.

1000
00:58:44.719 --> 00:58:53.320
And so my boss, very smart woman, has this saying

1001
00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:56.039
that I use over and over and over, which is

1002
00:58:56.719 --> 00:59:02.280
don't borrow trouble, by which I mean I will start

1003
00:59:02.280 --> 00:59:08.119
worrying about this when things start happening. I can't do otherwise.

1004
00:59:12.119 --> 00:59:15.360
I voted in a way that I thought was good

1005
00:59:15.360 --> 00:59:20.480
for America. It didn't work out, and it's distressing to

1006
00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:23.880
think that there are so many people who voted another

1007
00:59:24.039 --> 00:59:34.719
way and it and for people I know who I

1008
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:37.639
feel like there are people, there's so many people who

1009
00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:41.719
have more at stake, and I wish that I knew

1010
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:48.239
how to be helpful or what to do, and that's

1011
00:59:48.440 --> 00:59:50.880
kind of where I am right now. If those things

1012
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:55.480
become more apparent, I would like to do them.

1013
00:59:56.199 --> 00:59:59.800
It's horrifying, I understand. I think it's important that we

1014
00:59:59.800 --> 01:00:01.840
take care of ourselves first so we can take care

1015
01:00:01.880 --> 01:00:04.920
of other people later. To find a way to do

1016
01:00:04.960 --> 01:00:07.239
because I was We had a podcast previous to this

1017
01:00:07.239 --> 01:00:09.280
when Christine where we kind of broke it down and

1018
01:00:09.679 --> 01:00:11.639
the fact is that is the result is the result,

1019
01:00:11.760 --> 01:00:13.800
and you're not going to change the result. But I

1020
01:00:13.880 --> 01:00:16.199
also don't want to buy into so much negativity from

1021
01:00:16.199 --> 01:00:19.159
the rest of the world wringing their hands, convinced the

1022
01:00:19.159 --> 01:00:22.559
sky is going to fall when we haven't seen that yet,

1023
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:24.440
and we have to take care of ourselves first and

1024
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:28.199
mourn and deal with whatever the result is, because it's

1025
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:30.000
not going to change at this point.

1026
01:00:30.039 --> 01:00:33.760
I don't think there's a thing to do right. It

1027
01:00:33.800 --> 01:00:43.880
is not that administration yet, and I think it's yeah,

1028
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:48.679
I just don't know. I worry for friends. I worry

1029
01:00:48.800 --> 01:00:54.840
for my friends who wonder whether they should get married

1030
01:00:55.000 --> 01:01:01.159
right now because they can, or I I worry that

1031
01:01:01.440 --> 01:01:09.199
people are gonna, you know, get deported or and treated

1032
01:01:09.239 --> 01:01:14.280
horribly and all of those things. But it I need

1033
01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:18.679
a slight break, yep. And I feel horrible saying that.

1034
01:01:18.760 --> 01:01:24.239
I feel guilty. I just the thing that I think

1035
01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:28.239
is disappointing is every day it seemed like in the

1036
01:01:28.280 --> 01:01:32.119
past six months, there was a different way of thinking

1037
01:01:32.119 --> 01:01:34.840
about it, you know, like here's what we're you know,

1038
01:01:35.159 --> 01:01:38.800
here's how it's really going to go our way, or

1039
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:43.239
people are going to realize this, and really people are

1040
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:47.920
People had a lot of different reasons for wanting to

1041
01:01:48.239 --> 01:01:53.079
vote that way, but it's I think it's horrifying.

1042
01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:56.719
And you know, that's one of the reasons I agree

1043
01:01:56.760 --> 01:01:58.519
with you, And that's one of the reasons why I've

1044
01:01:58.519 --> 01:02:01.679
decided to sign off of any kind of cable network news.

1045
01:02:02.159 --> 01:02:03.679
It's not I'm not going to listen to it. I

1046
01:02:03.679 --> 01:02:05.360
don't want it in my feeds. I don't want to

1047
01:02:05.400 --> 01:02:09.880
see whatever anyone is saying about everything, because it's just

1048
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:11.760
too much. And I think it's important that, like I

1049
01:02:11.760 --> 01:02:14.400
said before, we take care of ourselves first and heal

1050
01:02:14.480 --> 01:02:17.960
ourselves to a point where we can decide how we're

1051
01:02:17.960 --> 01:02:19.199
going to take part in the future.

1052
01:02:19.719 --> 01:02:21.039
Gary, where are you in this?

1053
01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:29.519
So I checked out of social media after the election.

1054
01:02:30.480 --> 01:02:33.599
I was still checking it, but I wasn't posting anything.

1055
01:02:33.639 --> 01:02:36.440
I just I just needed a little mental break. So

1056
01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:38.960
actually yesterday was because we had a new episode coming

1057
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:42.480
out of Okay Well help promote that. So I did

1058
01:02:42.559 --> 01:02:44.440
go back on social media, and I posted a couple

1059
01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:47.760
of things, like of my mom and and the photos

1060
01:02:47.800 --> 01:02:53.159
I'd done. But I, like, don just kind of taking

1061
01:02:53.199 --> 01:02:58.119
a step back. I mean, I'm not watching the news

1062
01:02:58.199 --> 01:03:01.920
as much as I used to, just because I need

1063
01:03:01.960 --> 01:03:04.320
to like put that off to the side and take

1064
01:03:04.360 --> 01:03:06.639
care of me a little bit more mental health. So

1065
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:10.400
doing that and then just trying to get out more

1066
01:03:10.440 --> 01:03:14.199
and yeah, just work on my health. I'm going through

1067
01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:20.599
some you know, working on my health, working on I've

1068
01:03:20.599 --> 01:03:22.559
always done, trying to get more culture in my life.

1069
01:03:22.599 --> 01:03:24.360
You need to go to concerts and that, so just.

1070
01:03:24.400 --> 01:03:30.280
Try and live my life and not let that distract me.

1071
01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:35.880
Yeah, yeah, you know.

1072
01:03:35.880 --> 01:03:41.360
I have to say, I was on a walking path

1073
01:03:41.400 --> 01:03:46.360
at work and I saw somebody who I really like

1074
01:03:46.440 --> 01:03:48.039
and respect who was coming.

1075
01:03:48.079 --> 01:03:49.960
And she said, hey, Christine, how are you? And I

1076
01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:53.280
was like, I'm great because I have a lot of

1077
01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:57.320
stuff going on in my life right now, and when

1078
01:03:57.519 --> 01:04:02.559
I'm at work, it's a fantastic distract action. And I

1079
01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:06.360
saw her face kind of fall and I'm like, oh, shoot,

1080
01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:11.639
I need to I don't know how to respond now

1081
01:04:11.760 --> 01:04:15.079
because I know what she's thinking about. You know, she's

1082
01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:21.239
a person of color, she and she is raising two sons,

1083
01:04:22.119 --> 01:04:28.119
and and I just I turned around and just kept

1084
01:04:28.440 --> 01:04:31.199
eye contact with her, and I said, you know, I

1085
01:04:31.239 --> 01:04:38.000
want you to know that I'm great when I'm with you.

1086
01:04:38.000 --> 01:04:41.599
You know, the greatness is about you. It's not about

1087
01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:45.559
all of the stuff, So that I could make it

1088
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:52.039
personal and just you know, like I care for my colleague.

1089
01:04:52.280 --> 01:04:53.920
And yeah.

1090
01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:57.199
So I realized I had to really pivot on that

1091
01:04:57.400 --> 01:05:02.519
because she, although she knows what's happened on my side,

1092
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:05.719
that probably wasn't top of mind for her as it

1093
01:05:05.719 --> 01:05:07.320
should be. You know.

1094
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:15.559
So one question we ask for people of our age,

1095
01:05:15.559 --> 01:05:20.239
because obviously you're still working, have you set a goal

1096
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:24.239
or a date of it when you say I'm gonna

1097
01:05:24.960 --> 01:05:28.239
officially retire. You may keep doing other things, but in

1098
01:05:28.320 --> 01:05:30.320
terms of from this job or this career.

1099
01:05:32.760 --> 01:05:38.239
I have not, but I think about it. I'm planning

1100
01:05:38.320 --> 01:05:42.039
for it. I don't have a date.

1101
01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:58.199
Hey, watch your back. We're back. So we took ash

1102
01:05:58.199 --> 01:05:59.000
our little break.

1103
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:04.440
I had asked the question, do you have a time

1104
01:06:04.440 --> 01:06:07.679
frame in mind of when you might retire? Because I

1105
01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:11.559
know for me, I've kind of kind of put a

1106
01:06:11.559 --> 01:06:15.119
little check market sixty seven because for me, I figured, well,

1107
01:06:15.199 --> 01:06:17.360
sixty two the old time, the old day, sixty two

1108
01:06:17.480 --> 01:06:19.559
was when you tired, went too young. I'm already sixty two,

1109
01:06:19.960 --> 01:06:22.800
sixty five, yeah, and.

1110
01:06:22.719 --> 01:06:24.199
Then after six seth comes seventieth.

1111
01:06:24.280 --> 01:06:26.280
I well, by seventy, you know, I want to be

1112
01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:30.239
still active enough that I can because I love to travel,

1113
01:06:30.239 --> 01:06:32.400
to be able to maybe do some traveling. So that's

1114
01:06:32.400 --> 01:06:35.360
why I kind of, you know, targeted sixty seven. So

1115
01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:39.079
that's a quick five years away. That's how I managed it.

1116
01:06:39.119 --> 01:06:41.599
But obviously everyone's different. So you said you didn't have

1117
01:06:41.639 --> 01:06:43.480
a hadn't picked a date, who hadn't thought about it?

1118
01:06:43.599 --> 01:06:53.920
Or well, I've thought about it, and I've thought about it.

1119
01:06:54.000 --> 01:06:57.880
And I really love my job. I love what I do,

1120
01:06:58.239 --> 01:07:04.639
I love who who I do it with. I get

1121
01:07:04.679 --> 01:07:14.400
to use skills that make me, that reinforce my sense

1122
01:07:14.440 --> 01:07:18.719
of self. That sounds so sappy.

1123
01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:19.800
But not at all.

1124
01:07:20.519 --> 01:07:25.119
When I'm using my best skills, I feel a sense

1125
01:07:25.159 --> 01:07:30.639
of pride and excitement. So my husband has been retired

1126
01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:34.119
for a long time, and he wanted me to retire,

1127
01:07:36.440 --> 01:07:41.400
but I kind of love what I'm doing, and I've

1128
01:07:41.800 --> 01:07:47.039
really been thinking about it though, and thinking about We'll

1129
01:07:47.119 --> 01:07:51.840
get into this later, but I've spent a lot of

1130
01:07:51.880 --> 01:07:56.920
time this last few years with other members of my

1131
01:07:56.960 --> 01:08:00.280
family caring for my mom. So and I keep expecting

1132
01:08:00.320 --> 01:08:03.079
her to pop off and she doesn't. She's going to

1133
01:08:03.119 --> 01:08:07.760
be ninety seven in January, and I know she will

1134
01:08:07.840 --> 01:08:13.119
be ninety seven, and she's keeping us on our toes,

1135
01:08:13.239 --> 01:08:18.960
and so, like, what would I do if I didn't

1136
01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:24.079
have these very consuming things in my life, like my

1137
01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:28.279
mom and my job. What's there that I want to

1138
01:08:28.279 --> 01:08:33.359
be doing? And so I started going to therapy to

1139
01:08:33.840 --> 01:08:39.399
kind of get ahead of that, like, because I've been

1140
01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:44.800
good at pivoting when change happens to me, but I've

1141
01:08:44.880 --> 01:08:49.760
been less skilled at making change happened for myself and

1142
01:08:49.880 --> 01:08:54.399
making choices. So I know this about myself. So I

1143
01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:57.479
went to therapy and so that's kind of what I'm

1144
01:08:57.760 --> 01:08:59.840
working on right now.

1145
01:08:59.760 --> 01:08:59.920
Is.

1146
01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:04.239
There? I mean, most people are really excited about this,

1147
01:09:04.399 --> 01:09:08.319
but I know that I also can just waste all

1148
01:09:08.359 --> 01:09:13.039
that time and what does that mean? So I'm trying

1149
01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:17.279
to do the things that I'd wished i'd done earlier

1150
01:09:17.479 --> 01:09:20.560
as far as therapy goes, and learning more about myself

1151
01:09:20.680 --> 01:09:24.279
and how to take care of myself and how to

1152
01:09:24.279 --> 01:09:29.479
make good decisions, and yeah, like you, I want to travel.

1153
01:09:30.239 --> 01:09:32.039
But it also comes back to full circle where we

1154
01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:34.239
talked about earlier, where you didn't want to wait for

1155
01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:37.680
life to happen to you. You're directing it towards a

1156
01:09:37.760 --> 01:09:40.760
direction or a purpose, which is actually very important. And

1157
01:09:41.119 --> 01:09:44.479
two that there's nothing you'd never have to apologize about

1158
01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:48.560
loving your work. B Gary's worked to help Gary. How

1159
01:09:48.560 --> 01:09:50.000
long have you been at your place of employment?

1160
01:09:51.399 --> 01:09:53.600
Just passed thirty six years working for my boss?

1161
01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:57.119
Okay, you know there's nothing wrong with loving your job.

1162
01:09:57.520 --> 01:09:59.600
And to that point, how many people can really say

1163
01:09:59.640 --> 01:10:02.439
they their job, they love the people they work with

1164
01:10:02.479 --> 01:10:05.159
the environment that they're in. You know, you find it

1165
01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:10.680
challenging and interesting and right, so not too many people

1166
01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:11.760
can really say that.

1167
01:10:12.279 --> 01:10:17.359
I feel extraordinarily lucky. Yeah, yeah, I mean, and it

1168
01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:22.560
has not been an easy road, by the way, we

1169
01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:29.319
can talk about that too. But of all of my

1170
01:10:29.399 --> 01:10:34.840
twenty four years in this one job, it is it's

1171
01:10:34.920 --> 01:10:39.159
the I feel like it's the best version of my department,

1172
01:10:39.399 --> 01:10:44.720
and I feel very supported and just grateful.

1173
01:10:46.439 --> 01:10:49.760
And I think a very common misdake that people have

1174
01:10:49.760 --> 01:10:51.560
made is like I can't take you know, I can't

1175
01:10:51.600 --> 01:10:53.720
wait till I retire. I can't take wait till I retire.

1176
01:10:53.960 --> 01:10:56.000
Maybe they don't love their jobs as much as obviously

1177
01:10:56.039 --> 01:10:58.760
the two of you do. But also, what the hell

1178
01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:01.520
are you going to do when you're not working? And

1179
01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:03.439
of course you're not basing your worth on what your

1180
01:11:03.520 --> 01:11:06.560
job is, but you do provide a function and you're

1181
01:11:06.640 --> 01:11:09.239
enjoying it. The fact is when that void is there,

1182
01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:12.399
so it takes a little I think it's actually commendable

1183
01:11:12.439 --> 01:11:14.880
to go to therapy to start thinking about what the

1184
01:11:14.960 --> 01:11:17.079
possibilities could be, because a lot of people just jump

1185
01:11:17.119 --> 01:11:19.159
into the water saying I'm in a golf you know

1186
01:11:19.199 --> 01:11:20.720
how many times can you play golf?

1187
01:11:21.600 --> 01:11:27.319
Or people have grandchildren, they have things that they already

1188
01:11:27.359 --> 01:11:33.399
know they want to spend more time doing. So I'm

1189
01:11:33.399 --> 01:11:34.399
not in that place yet.

1190
01:11:34.680 --> 01:11:36.680
And I'm not into spending time with children, so I

1191
01:11:36.720 --> 01:11:38.439
don't think that's part of my future either.

1192
01:11:39.079 --> 01:11:43.359
God no, I don't even like being alone with them.

1193
01:11:44.079 --> 01:11:44.880
They scare me.

1194
01:11:46.840 --> 01:11:48.920
A well.

1195
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:53.600
Carry on the other hand, likes children like I remember

1196
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:58.800
you're talking about your nieces and nieces and nephews.

1197
01:11:59.199 --> 01:12:02.560
I have eight nieces and yeah, and how much you

1198
01:12:03.279 --> 01:12:05.319
enjoy being.

1199
01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:08.359
I don't want, I never want any of my own,

1200
01:12:08.399 --> 01:12:09.479
but I love having.

1201
01:12:09.279 --> 01:12:11.960
You know you like spending time with them, and now

1202
01:12:12.920 --> 01:12:13.640
they're grown up.

1203
01:12:14.039 --> 01:12:18.680
Yes, So, just for the purpose of our viewers and

1204
01:12:18.800 --> 01:12:23.479
listeners during our quick little break, we did agree that

1205
01:12:23.479 --> 01:12:27.600
we're going to have a second episode with Christine because

1206
01:12:28.760 --> 01:12:32.279
I do because she referenced the fact that she and

1207
01:12:32.319 --> 01:12:35.239
her siblings have been caring for her mother, and I

1208
01:12:35.279 --> 01:12:37.680
think a lot of us, I know, I can relate

1209
01:12:38.159 --> 01:12:40.520
on some level to that. Don maybe you can share

1210
01:12:40.560 --> 01:12:45.279
some things too, but that's worthy of a whole separate episode,

1211
01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:48.600
a separate conversation, and we will do that sometime in

1212
01:12:48.640 --> 01:12:52.119
the new year. So to kind of wrap this one out,

1213
01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:52.600
I have.

1214
01:12:52.479 --> 01:12:54.000
One more question. I have one more question.

1215
01:12:55.479 --> 01:13:02.720
If you were a plate of pasta, who how how

1216
01:13:03.399 --> 01:13:05.439
or who oh?

1217
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Don you mess this.

1218
01:13:07.840 --> 01:13:08.840
It was such a good question.

1219
01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:11.119
I was going to lead into lighter questions and that

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01:13:11.159 --> 01:13:11.960
would have been one of them.

1221
01:13:12.439 --> 01:13:13.760
Go ahead and you ask it, because I don't know

1222
01:13:13.760 --> 01:13:14.359
how to ask it.

1223
01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:17.079
No, it's better the way you just left it, Don.

1224
01:13:17.600 --> 01:13:20.279
I think that's what we're just going to draw valagarity.

1225
01:13:20.840 --> 01:13:23.239
I think what Don was trying to get across was

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if you are a plate of spaghetti, how or who

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01:13:26.359 --> 01:13:26.920
would eat you?

1228
01:13:27.640 --> 01:13:28.039
I don't know.

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01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:31.760
That's not how it goes, Gary, Okay.

1230
01:13:32.039 --> 01:13:34.680
So that's how that's Don's interpretation. He thought to be like,

1231
01:13:34.680 --> 01:13:35.479
who would eat you?

1232
01:13:35.560 --> 01:13:35.640
Like?

1233
01:13:35.760 --> 01:13:38.880
No, although you know I can come up with a

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01:13:38.920 --> 01:13:43.560
couple of names. But the question initially was how am I?

1235
01:13:43.600 --> 01:13:46.000
Am I in a to go container on the side

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01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:48.880
of the road? If so crows with their beaks.

1237
01:13:52.960 --> 01:13:54.359
Gary, you might want to wrap this one.

1238
01:13:55.800 --> 01:14:00.520
Yeah, well let's just wrap this up right now. Big,

1239
01:14:00.560 --> 01:14:03.800
a big, huge thank you to Christine for joining us

1240
01:14:03.840 --> 01:14:06.800
and looking forward to uh talking to you again in

1241
01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:07.279
the new year.

1242
01:14:07.359 --> 01:14:10.640
Oh you guys, thank you so much. It's really fun

1243
01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:11.279
to hang out.

1244
01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:14.640
Well, we have to go to Denny still, we still have.

1245
01:14:14.560 --> 01:14:17.279
To figure out can we figure this out? I really

1246
01:14:17.359 --> 01:14:18.000
want it to happen.

1247
01:14:18.079 --> 01:14:19.319
Yeah, I think next time I come up to the

1248
01:14:19.319 --> 01:14:20.600
Bay Area, we just have to figure out and like

1249
01:14:20.680 --> 01:14:22.720
jump over to the closest Denny's with our phones and

1250
01:14:22.800 --> 01:14:24.720
just turn it on and just do a live cast

1251
01:14:24.760 --> 01:14:27.000
from the back page of the of the menu.

1252
01:14:28.079 --> 01:14:29.880
And the moon over my hand.

1253
01:14:30.439 --> 01:14:32.960
Yes, I don't think that's part of it.

1254
01:14:33.199 --> 01:14:38.720
Oh No, what about a superbird? Superbird's another there's another

1255
01:14:38.840 --> 01:14:41.880
sandwich called a superbird really Denny's.

1256
01:14:42.119 --> 01:14:45.479
Yeah, okay, clearly I'm not hanging out at Denny's as

1257
01:14:45.520 --> 01:14:46.720
often as I should.

1258
01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:47.359
Wow.

1259
01:14:47.359 --> 01:14:51.000
Okay, so once again we've fallen down another rabbit hole

1260
01:14:51.039 --> 01:14:55.560
of fast foods. So Christine, thank you so much. Thank

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01:14:55.600 --> 01:14:57.720
you for promising to come back. I look forward to this,

1262
01:14:57.880 --> 01:15:00.000
to talking about it and the Antiques road Show, which

1263
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:01.920
we didn't get to yet. So I'll say that as

1264
01:15:01.960 --> 01:15:03.920
another nugget. Now we'll save it as a nugget, just

1265
01:15:03.920 --> 01:15:08.840
like the plate Apasta, which is also going to be

1266
01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:11.560
don't forget. We're going to call the episode rail Liquors,

1267
01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:14.800
Rail Liquors. Welcome, Christine Freeman.

1268
01:15:18.520 --> 01:15:18.960
Love it.

1269
01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:21.680
So Christine, thank you very very much. We can't wait.

1270
01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:24.920
Congratulations on all of the success of your life right now.

1271
01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:28.880
Thank you for being yourself, who to me is incredibly entertaining.

1272
01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:33.199
It's been great fun. We welcome you back in the

1273
01:15:33.239 --> 01:15:36.760
new year as another part of this segment, and we're

1274
01:15:36.800 --> 01:15:38.479
going to do a little deep dive with it too.

1275
01:15:38.560 --> 01:15:40.399
So very much appreciate it.

1276
01:15:40.680 --> 01:15:45.760
I am honored. Hey, Happy Thanksgiving and other holidays.

1277
01:15:46.279 --> 01:15:47.039
Yes, same to you.

1278
01:15:47.439 --> 01:15:50.880
Don't forget hashtag don't give Thanksgiving the shaft because I've

1279
01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:53.680
started that as a hashtag because everyone skips over Thanksgiving

1280
01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:57.920
and goes right to Christmas after Halloween sucks, right.

1281
01:15:58.760 --> 01:16:02.199
We can Christmas segment on Christmas socks.

1282
01:16:04.199 --> 01:16:08.479
Thanksgivings awesome anyway, I mean you again, Christine.

1283
01:16:08.760 --> 01:16:10.279
I mean the food is awesome.

1284
01:16:10.479 --> 01:16:12.119
Yes, do you cook it?

1285
01:16:12.880 --> 01:16:13.720
Oh yeah, all of it?

1286
01:16:13.760 --> 01:16:15.800
Okay, okay, all right, well.

1287
01:16:15.920 --> 01:16:21.159
Miss does the bird Okay, I do everything else while

1288
01:16:21.600 --> 01:16:27.560
watching while watching the parade and National Dog Show Okay.

1289
01:16:27.600 --> 01:16:29.319
And don't forget bird is the word.

1290
01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:31.479
Bubba bird bird.

1291
01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:37.079
And we want to thank Christine Freeman so much for

1292
01:16:37.199 --> 01:16:39.680
joining us. We enjoyed it so much and we had

1293
01:16:39.720 --> 01:16:42.119
so much to talk about that we are inviting her

1294
01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:43.439
back for another episode.

1295
01:16:44.079 --> 01:16:45.079
It'll be in the new year.

1296
01:16:45.319 --> 01:16:47.880
And we got more of a serious topic, but she

1297
01:16:47.880 --> 01:16:50.359
did say there will be some levity included.

1298
01:16:50.560 --> 01:16:52.399
Yeah, she's just a delight to talk to you. I

1299
01:16:52.479 --> 01:16:56.840
remember her now. It's like such an unique personality and

1300
01:16:56.920 --> 01:16:58.880
I don't we just scratched the service of that too,

1301
01:16:58.920 --> 01:17:00.199
So there's night stories we have.

1302
01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:01.399
So I can't wait to have her back.

1303
01:17:01.720 --> 01:17:03.399
Would be good job, Gary, you did really well.

1304
01:17:04.319 --> 01:17:07.600
Well. You know you're you're the driver of the bus.

1305
01:17:08.199 --> 01:17:11.159
Yeah, you know it's your never mind, go.

1306
01:17:11.079 --> 01:17:13.000
Ahead, say you're telling me to when to take them left?

1307
01:17:13.000 --> 01:17:17.359
Turn like left left, get back on the main road.

1308
01:17:17.600 --> 01:17:18.760
Do you want to close it out?

1309
01:17:19.640 --> 01:17:21.119
Yeah, so we're gonna wrap it up.

1310
01:17:21.680 --> 01:17:24.560
We just want to remind well, thank everyone for joining

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01:17:24.600 --> 01:17:29.119
us on YouTube and via your favorite podcast We are

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01:17:29.159 --> 01:17:32.960
available Spotify, Apple Podcasts, et cetera, uh and all your

1313
01:17:33.000 --> 01:17:36.880
favorite podcast channels platforms, as well as you Tube.

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01:17:37.600 --> 01:17:39.279
Email addressed in case you want to get a hold of.

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01:17:39.319 --> 01:17:43.760
Us is Don and Gary Dooman sixty at gmail dot com.

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01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:46.520
Social media everything that has to do with Don and

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01:17:46.560 --> 01:17:51.319
Gary doing sixty, Instagram, Facebook, Did I cover all the basics?

1318
01:17:51.439 --> 01:17:53.479
You covered them all And just for everyone's we talked

1319
01:17:53.479 --> 01:17:55.760
about this a second ago. If you're having trouble finding

1320
01:17:55.760 --> 01:17:58.920
our channel on YouTube. It's actually under the pipe Fier

1321
01:17:59.119 --> 01:18:02.640
pod channel in YouTube. There's a couple of podcasts to

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01:18:02.680 --> 01:18:05.000
choose from. Of course you'll choose Don and Gerry doing sixty.

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01:18:05.399 --> 01:18:07.079
So if you're having in trouble with that, I'll put

1324
01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:10.239
the address back up on our liner notes, you can

1325
01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:12.640
find us and get a load of us.

1326
01:18:13.239 --> 01:18:18.079
We shake comments. We would love you to subscribe. If

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01:18:18.079 --> 01:18:21.840
you have suggestions on topics, or you're may be interested

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01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:23.560
in being a guest, you can get all of us.

1329
01:18:24.199 --> 01:18:27.880
So yeah, we'll find you. Even if you don't know

1330
01:18:27.920 --> 01:18:30.239
you're interested in being a guest, we'll find you.

1331
01:18:30.600 --> 01:18:33.640
Yes, okay, So until next time.

1332
01:18:34.159 --> 01:18:36.920
Thanks Doc, Well thanks Gary, see you next time.

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I