#55 Heather Drummond: The Power of Intuition in Business

Intro  00:02

Welcome to Creative spirits unleashed where we talk about the dilemmas of balancing work and life. And now, here's your host, Lynn Carnes.

Lynn  00:14

Why Welcome to the creative spirits unleashed Podcast. I'm Lynn Carnes, your host. My guest for this episode is Heather Drummond. I met Heather through my website, believe it or not, she reached out through the contact page on my website, and I answered, now I have a voicemail button on my website, which I love for people to reach out to me through but in this case, it came through email, which I'm a little more suspicious of. Most of those emails are SEO search solicitations. But in this case, I got a feeling she was a real person. And she was, so we started an email exchange, and she had asked me to be on her podcast. Now you can find her podcast on Apple podcast just like mine or any other podcast platform. And it's called seers, beers, knowers and doers. Her podcast is about intuition. Now, I have to tell you, I love the topic of intuition these days. But much like Heather, who used to also work in the corporate world, I have been suspicious of intuition through my life. Because we both worked in fields where intuition wasn't valued, and where logic and rationale were valued. I believe we all have intuition. And so does Heather, which is why she started this incredible podcast about intuition. So we talked about those kinds of things. In this conversation, we talked a little bit about her corporate life, and about what she does today, she does some very interesting things, things I don't understand, which is often the case with my podcast guests, which is why I love having them on because I learned, so I'm really excited about having her here. She here's one thing she says about herself. She loves empowering people with knowledge and skills to help them support themselves. She has an innovative and unique way of seeing the world and how everything is connected. There's one of those intuition things by the way, when she established her business in 2005, after working in the corporate world, she didn't want to compete with anyone in her industry. Heather wanted to be able to work with all aspects of a person's health team. She's a true believer in the power of transformation, a topic we talk about here on this podcast a lot. And she learned from personal experience that self care is a non negotiable for everyone. Well, that's just the start of who Heather is. You'll learn much more in this podcast. I hope you enjoy this episode with Heather Drummond. Heather, welcome to the podcast.

Heather  02:47

Hi, how are you?

Lynn  02:50

I'm great. This morning, it's good to see your smiling face.

Heather  02:53

Listen, I know it's nice to meet you. In person in person. In real form. Yeah, yeah.

Lynn  03:01

And in a minute, we'll explain to people how we actually met in not real form, I

Heather  03:05

guess, initially, real form just over the phone. Yeah.

Lynn  03:09

But let's I want to, I want to start with a question for you. Because you are the host of a podcast about intuition. And all things intuition. Well, now that I've met you, I think I always think of Heather, and what would she say about this when I think about intuition. But my question for you is, when did you first probably as a child possibly learn that you had what we now call intuition, you might not have had the word intuition for it. But tell me about one of your early experiences of that, knowing without knowing how, you know,

Heather  03:52

I remember pieces of my childhood. Like, so my mom always described me as they. So she recognized that I was on that scale. And for people that don't know what Fe is, it's like a British term. Probably Irish. And in Ireland, they talk to all the elements so they talk to the train. There's fairies, there's, and so faith is somebody who's very connected to that magical mystical world. That's normal. Like very normal in Ireland. And I grew up in Vancouver and and yeah, we're we have behind the tweed curtain and Victoria. But, yeah, she recognized that I was gay. And I don't know what I was doing necessarily that made her say that, um, you know, I said this on my own podcast, because it's like, what are the crows about? As I always say, I'm inviting crows into the trees before the meeting. And, and literally I was a chatty Cathy kid and dad would come home from, from working and you know, his head would be full of whatever. And I'd be at the table below that, you know, the youngest and trying to create space, possibly, I don't know, whatever. And he really, he finally said, go talk to you the birds, like just go talk to the birds. And so I did, and I heard them. And so every morning going to school be like, morning, you know, and my grandparents had pet seagulls that were wild that they would just name and they would know who was who. And this is on my mom's side. And so that was normal. They had a whole family of raccoons, so they were my normal. They were my normal people. They were my people. And I think I think I've just always been connected definitely to the animal world. I mean, we moved to North Carolina and mom said she asked the movers to put up the crib because I was two months old. And she went back to check on me because I was supposed to have a nap or something. And there was a basset hound that came in the house was underneath my crib. And she was like, we're this boss and I'm come from we don't have a dog. Like we don't have a package. And she she thinks it was one of the movers dogs because it was there that it lacked. She's like, it just was laying there peacefully, and it found you. And it was. So things like that have occurred that you can't really explain. And if I think about a round thing that I totally remember, and it's happened a few times is that I I would have dreams that would shock me awake. People that I knew, and horrible things happening and it like I would go into codependent like stop this from happening. Why else would I know? Because I was a teenager. Yeah. University and, and it never happened to the person but it happened around me. Or it happened to somebody like that for somebody else. And so yeah, one of those situations happened in my, with somebody directly in my family. And, and yeah, so that kind of was like, okay, okay, but that, that immature wanting to control the outcome, like, why else would I get so the the there's been a journey of understanding. And this podcast has been like, I just don't have this book, like a Harry Potter book of like, all these people's teachings. So I've become this become this expert based on other people's learning as much as my own. And I wouldn't even call myself an expert, per se, but I have been touching intuition regularly throughout my life, but then to have these intimate conversations with people about their experience with intuition has also been really, really insightful for me, because I sit there and go, Yeah, I've heard that too. Or, but I don't always say that on the podcast, because that just was sounds funny. But yeah, a lot of a lot of things that, you know, you're the person who weren't, like, for me, words just come out that need to be said sometimes. And so when I was made wrong, quote, unquote, for talking it, it became a thing that I'm like, Fine, I'm gonna go talk to somebody that'll listen in that way. There's always been a disrupter in me that, but there's also been that human side of, of, well, you should please your parents. So you know, stop talking. Right. But my talking, please, where a lot of intuition comes out. Yeah,

Lynn  09:07

that's, I have that experience of intuition coming out through talking. But you know, you I was just listening. I was thinking about, first of all, what you said of sort of the Encyclopedia of intuition that you've gotten through your podcast, as you called it, the Harry Potter book. Yeah, you know, what a body of work that is. And people will have heard in the introduction all about your podcast and how to find it, because everybody I know just about is looking for where's the latest new podcast series I can go listen to. And I would say delighted to get to send them to yours because I've listened to quite a few and you've got some great guests. And it's a nice sort of 30 minute bite of wisdom. But I was noticing as you were talking, and I've never really thought of intuition as having sub parts, but I'm starting to see some distinctions because you were describing What I would call gut feelings. Right? And also with the animals, I might even say there's a different thing that's like gut feeling to me is like a knowing an instant, knowing where you've taken in lots of information in your body. It's almost like your brain is simulates it in the background, and spurts the answer out in the foreground, right, there's a right your whole body really assimilates it. And then you also talk, I think, I heard something a little bit about communication, which is amongst the animals, and I want to talk about nature here in a minute, too. And then I heard another one, which was premonition, like, something's going to happen. And so have you made different distinctions about different types of intuition? And you're in this encyclopedia of intuition where you've really been focusing on it? How have you seen it be different for different people and different types of intuition? Oh,

Heather  11:00

there, there are, like the name of the podcast, there are themes like there are common ones. And then like you say, there's these. There's these beautiful ways where I'm like, oh, nobody's ever said that before. Like, Oh, right. And because intuition can be so subtle, like so subtle. It's the quietest thing, right? It's the thing. And sometimes it can be really loud, like, some of those dreams were like, I can remember them. And I don't, I'm not somebody that sits down and writes down my dreams, because I wake up and remember them, like, so. It has so many different faces, and you know, the common ones. And they're not common in that they're magic happening. People who see and hear or are the knowing the doing so they don't even know they're doing something intuitive until hindsight. And they're like, oh, yeah, well, um, the beers are ones who, who, once they get that that's actually a strength in a way that is profound to be in the world, they will value it. And some people come in valuing it, but a lot of beers want what other people have. And it's like, Oh, my God, you're the pinnacle of what do you think monks over there in Nepal are doing they're just being like, but they're impacting the whole vibration of the world? And why feel better when they're in the presence of a beer? I just feel so much better when I'm with you. Yeah, because there's magical things happening there. In that being that are that is intuitive, like being an intuitive channel, right? So there's also situations where people, you know, they literally feel the move forward, which could be a muscle testing response, are that visceral? Or are they there's, I'm gonna forget some of them. But the words you and I both, it's like, oh, I just said something that wasn't really important. Like, that's cool. Yeah. Um, and there, and, and there's people who, who, I've had it recently that their level of a simulation of all the parts, like, it's that their intuition comes through, kind of simulating things. And being able to go, oh, that's the direction. Right, like, so it's a type of knowing, but it's yeah.

Lynn  13:49

I'm seeing Yeah. Can I Can I hit a pause button on that for a second? Because I've, you know, I, you know, I come from a corporate background. Me too. And yeah, and I want to I want to talk about that background in a minute. But my, you may, this may be what you're talking about, but I've been in meetings. Have you ever done this where it's either me, but oftentimes, it's other people, where, you know, all kinds of data is coming out, there's a decision to be made, you know, amongst the information sharing, there's also posturing and, you know, people trying to get their proposal done or whatever. But there's, I see this moment where the leader or the person that's in charge could say, this is what we need to do. And it's like, they've taken all of it in and they've made a decision and you can almost feel a click, sometimes not, but most of the times, she's smiling yellow, or she could see or there's like this click that says, Yeah, that's it. And then everybody can kind of move forward. Yeah. Is that that sounds like what you're describing.

Heather  14:54

That's exactly what I'm describing. Yeah. And sometimes people

Lynn  14:58

don't even think I don't think that we necessarily call that intuition. Oh,

Heather  15:03

there's so many. And that's the point of the podcast is I'm trying to, like, take it off the pedestal that you need to be a medium and talk to dead people, which some people do. And that's how they get their intuition. Yeah, they talk regularly, I would go for walks with my dead dogs. And when I say that people are like, they're in your car. No, literally, it's like, their spirits with me, and I know their spirits. So, like, people, I want to normalize it to the point will not even normalize it. I want to expose everybody to the fact that here's all the different ways that can come. Do you see yourself here? Because I see. Yeah. So if this like regular person, or this not so regular person who has a platform has it this way? You know, like, why can't you? Why can't you? So it's, it's to painting people with like, oh, that's intuition. I didn't even think of that as intuition. I don't like intuition sort of those. All right. It's like it's fringe or it's yeah, people and when people call it Whoo, oh, Patrick, another podcast, where they're like, Oh, you will tell us about your womb, like, No, I have a reverence for it, I guess. And they're, they weren't coming from they had an acronym, and I can't remember what the acronym was. And it was a reverend acronym. But I do have a reverence for it. Because to me, it is a it's, it's a connection that's divine. And I find it to be magical and a gift and not a gift in that I'm better or, you know, privileged or anything like that. It's, it's a gift. And when I see the magic, it excites me, like, so it's this positive feedback loop of like, Oh, look at that, that's happened to looking at that, like, Oh, I didn't even know I said that. And that came out. That's great. You know, so it's a I want to give people that delight. And, and not have them think that it has to be those premonitions, it has to be something that predicts darkness or, because none of those things are actually darkness once you have more maturity on like, the cycle of life, and yeah, and maybe it's time for maturity, more awareness, more and more awareness, probably, of the possibilities of, of what happens. Or, you know, what I,

Lynn  17:40

what I'm hearing, you know, you've said this, but it's like the normalization of something that people don't necessarily think Is that normal, which is, quote, unquote, intuition. But I do think that if you take certain veins like science too far, you say, well, everything, it's not real, unless it's tangible, and provable. And yet, I don't know of a good scientist that doesn't know how to follow their intuition.

Heather  18:08

I know. Like, where did Jacques Cousteau get his idea to put a camera underwater? Where do you think that came from? offices is occur, like what makes people look beyond like, hey, yeah, it's and, and I think, I think again, that's a as a place that they've been conditioned, that it has to be repeatable and blah, blah, blah, you know, like, it has to be, you know, data, blah, blah, blah. But the magic of science is that we discover things, because we follow an edge like, I mean, what, what, buddies kid, like what put, you know, a telephone and somebody, how did radio it like, you know, it's all inspired action?

Lynn  18:55

Well, there's that side, for sure. Because, you know, the, what you call the like, scientific provable, somebody had to follow, because there's infinite possibilities when someone's conducting an experiment. So how do they know which ones to follow? And that's, to some degree is yes, it's knowledge. But it's it's like knowledge overlaid with that gut feeling, if you will, or whatever they followed. But then there's the other side, which is the placebo effect, which I'm a huge fan of that. Because I think that's our intuition also working for us. It is. So I read the book, suggestible. You and I don't remember who wrote that book. I can't remember right off the top of my head, but he was talking about the power of the placebo effect and the fact that, you know, we actually can do a lot of our own self healing, for example. So give me a sugar pill and it makes me better. I think I'd rather have that than the drug.

Heather  19:51

Well, and see, like, yeah, we are on medicine in a lot of ways, like so many ways, and we Like, you know, the wisdom that kept people alive for millions of years, decades, centuries, whatever belief system you're at, like, it's kept animals alive for longer than that, you know? Yeah. So

Lynn  20:21

it's this, it's the thing, it's the difference between the seen and the unseen, right? That's one of the reasons I think we call it Woo is because it's unseen.

Heather  20:31

Yeah, probably all. Also, like, I think fear comes into well, I don't even know that's fear control comes into it, then that's fear. Because control comes from fear. Yeah. So fear control, whatever, like some, some external force comes into the programming. Society and is, like, for centuries been trying to remove spirit and intuition from, from everybody's life to yes to more control. And it's happened to every person on the planet. And you know, as people come more aware of that, we're heading into this beautiful place of autonomy and connection to spirit. And like, we are, we're, you know, that's never really existed on the planet before ever. So it's when I got the intuition to do the podcast for my dog, I was dog sitting, I'm like, I don't even know what a podcast is. What are you talking about? Like, what is that? And then, you know, had the intuition to talk to my youngest nephew about it. He's like, Oh, my roommate at university does a podcast for the business school. I'll let you talk to him. I'm like, Are you kidding me? You're the only person I mentioned this to. So and you happen

Lynn  21:57

to be the one that can tell me how to do it. I totally did. When did you start your podcast, by the way,

Heather  22:06

2019, January,

Lynn  22:08

January 2019. I want okay, I've got two threads I want to follow. First, I'm going to follow Tell me a little bit about your corporate background. And then we're going to come back to this thing you said about moving into an era of autonomy, connected spirit and being who we really are. But first, I want to hear a little bit about your corporate background. Because I think the juxtaposition because that's where a lot of our programming comes from. And I have a lot of listeners that are becoming aware of this conditioning.

Heather  22:39

Yeah, so So I'm, my program happening happens even prior to corporate

Lynn  22:47

corporate, oh, my, well, my programming sent me into corporate say a little bit about what your just anything you want to say about your background, but specifically, especially how, how it was in

Heather  22:58

the corporate world for you. So, um, you know, there isn't an entrepreneur in my family, or as I know, from like, a couple generations back or whatever it may be farming, farming happens on one side, um, but like, totally get the job, get the pension, like, security, like 100%. And, you know, school, like go to university level a lot. And so, my connection to animals made me wanted to be a vet. And then I got to university and it was first time I really had autonomy live, like I grew up in a, you know, wanting him happy day kind of family. But we had just moved across the country from Vancouver to Nova Scotia, and that was against my will I, I got a full breadth of autonomy in grade eight, and that we got lockers. And, you know, I got to meet all these new people. And it was last year, and then we moved across the country and you know, nobody and, and everybody knew me because it was a smaller town, and they don't live there their entire life, like I had in my previous place. So is this new kid, blah, blah, blah. So I just, I just went I'm just gonna have to say goodbye to people. So I don't want to invest in you. Nevermind.

Lynn  24:23

So you just kind of withdrew and went in.

Heather  24:27

And then I went to university, and I was like, Oh, I chose to be here, you know, and I, yeah, I migrate a thing all over again, and I've just blossomed, but I've lost them socially. Because I've repressed that for four years. And so, cool. Marks, things like that when they give you 15 hours of classes and three hours, times three or four of labs. I was just like, I didn't know how to study because school had come very easily to mean in high School, all the sciences, I did really well in what I should have been able to do well in in university, it was like, what

Lynn  25:09

I had that I had that same kind of culture shock, I made straight A's in high school from no studying. And then I get to college and like, there's no way to make an A without some studying. And I'm like, What's that

Heather  25:20

study? And what is discipline? And yeah, you mean, it's, we don't get tested on the stuff that they teach us in the classroom? Like, what is that? What is?

Lynn  25:30

What is this extra

Heather  25:32

weight you're talking about? Anyway, so the, I actually switched to ended engineering, because I didn't want to put animals down. So the vet thing kind of went by the side before I even got to university. And then, I lasted two weeks, because I was like, Whoa, calculus in here. Like to, so I guess, I'll just switch to sciences. And then by then some of the sciences weren't available. And so I was like DS, and C's, and my parents are like, we're gonna rip you out of there. And I'm like, No, don't do that. I switched over into a three year arts program, thanks to some beautiful professor who, to this day is very dear to my heart. And so I became a BA in Economics and Psychology in three years, so I didn't have to have an extra year of university and it was just a, just a degree to get my job. And yeah, I work through university. And I my siblings did, but it was like, that was social money. That was guilt free social money is what that was. So I mean, it paid for university, partly too, but whatever, I'm probably guilty of not performing in university there in that first year. I was like, Oh, that was probably an expensive. Anyways, whatever, all those things. So. So the need to please was was in there, right. And so you get the job. So I got the job. And, and that all went Wow. Like, it went, wow. I just

Lynn  27:12

Well, yeah, if you're good at need to please, you're gonna do very, very well. Yeah. Because that's what they you know, that's how that's how you get good little workers in the corporate world.

Heather  27:23

Totally. Right, like, so that's the whole grooming. So, um, it's Customer Service at the first call center in New Brunswick, and which is our local equivalent to a state. It was a self managing system, which was never done before. So we got exposed to a lot of managerial stuff like scheduling, hiring, training, all that kind of stuff. So it was a unique environment for me to, like, get a lot of my dad was like, you're learning to watch, you're like, fresh out of school, like you don't have any, like, what and so it was puzzling, but, but also for a reason. So I worked there for five years, and then shifted to

Lynn  28:07

and what we were was there again, here's

Heather  28:11

where I am now.

Lynn  28:12

And what kind of company were you in, it was

Heather  28:13

a GE General Electric Company called box. It was appliances. Okay. We were the sales call center. And then we got a call center. And so I was on the phone and doing dialer stuff. And then I moved into the sales stuff. And I was like, it was good. I, I won awards, like it was, it was nice, like, but some horseshoe around me too, because, again, I wasn't having to. I was able to have fun doing it in those first few years, because it was they had, they had integrated a lot of social aspects because we had to work together as a team and manage it created a lot. They had budgeted a lot in self discovery and Myers Briggs and, and like building teams and ways on the HR side of things. So again, I got exposed to stuff there that the average call center person wouldn't have been exposed to. And then my position was moved to Ontario. And I was like, Okay, well, I'll go up there and train them because I have a family and everybody else had a family that would come home. I went there for six months. And that was another learning, like setting up an office from scratch and hiring people and all the rest of it as a as a salesperson. Yeah, who's 2526 Whatever. So I'm, again, gathering tons of data, experiences, whatever. And then my nephew was going to be born in New Brunswick and I'm like, I have to be home just too late. they'd offered me a sales on the road job and, but interesting, the salary was the same as the New Brunswick and the cost of living in Ontario's lot higher. So I was like, No, I'll go back and be on the phones and then I, when, when an opportunity came up to be a manager or supervisor at another call center with Dun and Bradstreet in town, I took that I had the opportunity to do that. And so that was like an MBA without having an MBA, because of my beautiful manager in the first four years of being there, and then shifted it to credit and collections after four years of, again, winning, doing things that at first I sucked with this manager, and he's like, You're too nice. You're not getting results, like your people, like you have attendance issues, like you need to learn some stuff. And you need to tell me when you need help. And so I was like, oh, I need to ask for help. That's a new thing. I didn't know we could do that.

Lynn  30:57

That's a that's a big one. When people finally realize, Oh, yes, I am allowed to ask for help. In fact, it's actually essential.

Heather  31:03

It's essential. And, again, part of that grooming, depending on how is is you're, you're supposed to be an island and just figure it out and the stress that comes with doing that. And so I literally got an MBA from Lawrence Franco because he, he, I, we started the dialogue. And I was like, Well, how do you do that? Why do you do this? What do you do that and so then we won awards, because it was this beautiful synergy of, I'll maximize, he's like, I'm the bulldozer I'm supposed to remove your obstructions, like you're gonna fly, but I need to know you have an obstruction. So I can remove it, like from a technology perspective or whatever. I learned what

Lynn  31:45

it could be. That's amazing, by the way, because now he was fantastic. You know, when you have a manager that's willing to help you. I'm guessing that every step forward, you took was a fueling for him. And then he wanted to help you more. And then you took another step forward, and then he wanted to help you more.

Heather  32:04

Yeah. So you identified on the bulldozer, and you're supposed to make me look like this is how we work. So and

Lynn  32:11

and then you got that? Yeah,

Heather  32:13

I'm like, Oh, perfect. I can make you look good. But here's my problems. So that was, that was delightful in the corporate world. I had 40 employees, blah, blah, blah, you know, beautiful people. not paid enough in my humble opinion. So there's been this dynamic of I would be like, here, you're sick, vitamin C, pour it out and eat it. Like I always had vitamin C the client like we need to get your people healthy. Your smoker? Yeah. Well, you know, like, not all of them are smokers. But you know, there was a general I grew up on broccoli before we had pancakes for a treat dinner, like my mom was. My mom still is an inspiration on how to fix yourself. Outside of the medical system, because she had some she had some troubles in the medical system and, and was a nurse.

Lynn  33:11

So she, so she knew how to naturally fortify

Heather  33:18

the body. Yeah, she just went at it. And that came from her, her side of the family, for sure. Depression and what her dad learned to do when he was living on a beach with his mom. And when they first moved to Canada, like he, anyways, so like, there's resilience there. And there's, I'm gonna learn yoga in this. I'm gonna learn how to breathe, I'm gonna do reflexology. And she's 87 and still doing reflexology on her hands to get her gallstone to move. And, you know, she's amazing. So she's, but like, I resented eating broccoli before. So you get to university and eat like crap. And you never learned how to cook. Because our kitchens were always really big.

Lynn  34:03

Yeah, there's no space and I'm with you, by the way on a broccoli and such asparagus was my nemesis. But yeah, my mom really tried to get me to eat green vegetables. I didn't want them.

Heather  34:14

Yeah, so. So yeah, the next four years when I was in credit and collections that was a startup so it was hiring people and, and moving an office down to New Brunswick. And then the Dun and Bradstreet division got bought out or created into its own company. And, and there were like, there were dynamics that weren't resonating anymore for me, and, and some wonderful people again, but at one point, my boyfriend at the time was like, you're like, you know that you can have a life outside of work, right? Like

Lynn  34:59

Oh, yeah. Oh

Heather  35:00

80 hours I think you should quit your job like, and I'd had to had pre cancer cells and he's there looking at me going.

Lynn  35:09

Don't try to make I had I had a similar thing happened to me. So what kind of pre cancer cells did you have?

Lynn  35:15

But say what? Cervical,

Lynn  35:17

cervical Oh my goodness.

Heather  35:19

Yeah. So I turned orange from eating carrots doing my mother thing, you know, like frustration and anger management while he's working for this. Yeah. Anyway, so.

Lynn  35:33

Yeah, so you're living in like two worlds one trying to be natural and helping and heal yourself. But totally on the hamster wheel grinding 80 hours a week, going for the burnout championship because you wanted to, you know, whatever that was gonna give you right?

Heather  35:47

You got to suck it up and do it. Right.

Lynn  35:49

Yeah. Got to do it. We got nothing else to do. Yeah.

Heather  35:52

upbringing of the drunkenness, right. So, and everybody who's in the rat race, like there isn't like, yeah, it's

Lynn  36:00

well, that's the nor Amen. You cannot you cannot imagine anything else when you're in it. Right? No, no.

Heather  36:08

Yeah. So, um, interestingly, I think I broke up with my boyfriend. And within the year I quit my job. He didn't get to live in the basket and the other freedom aspect that he inspired. But yeah, yeah, what

Lynn  36:26

made you quit your job? And how, what were you going to like? What was the safety net? You gave yourself if anything? Yeah. So

Heather  36:34

I had two bosses, one female, one male. And one was for first party collections. And one was for third party collections. And I was at work one night till about, I don't know 830, managing some buddies work who was out on sick leave, or something. I don't know what I was doing. And I just heard the words I'm done like this is done. And I called my female boss. I said, I think I'm done. Because we were in a very male oriented company. And what they said went and so we were always coming behind, kind of trying to make it work for humans who had to do the work that they were selling, or whatever they had done.

Lynn  37:27

So you would become the bulldozer for somebody else. Mm hmm. Totally.

Heather  37:31

Yeah, I learned that from my boss, because I would quote him. I'm like, my job is to make you do your jobs make me look good. Yeah. Get the bulldozing out of the way but I was up against some systems that that weren't playing. They weren't they weren't my Lawrence Franco anymore. So yeah. And he set high standard, but in reality, it shouldn't be a high standard. It should be normal. Should be a reasonable, a reasonable situation in any Yeah. Um, and so I told her that and she's like, You can't live there. You know, I'm like, okay, so we go into the people pleasing place, and then I hit the wall. That was a February and I hit the wall. started January. And I was like, Yeah, I'm so another

Lynn  38:23

year went by.

Heather  38:23

No, sorry. July, okay, July, or July. So six months. So six months? Yeah. In that six month window, somewhere four month window. And I was like, now it's happening. I'm done. No,

Lynn  38:35

I can't do it. Can't do it. Can't do it. And

Heather  38:39

my, I called my mailbox from a from a payphone in a mall going. Because I was next to a mall with my office. I called him up. I said, I'm just letting you know, I'm done. And I and he's like, Well, are you sick? You should go on sick leave. Why don't you just go on sick leave? And I'm like, but I'm not sick. I'm done. Like, so why would I do something that isn't what it is. Yeah. And he's like, Well, you should just just, I'm not taking your resignation yet. Like, just really go away and think about this. Like,

Lynn  39:08

isn't that funny that they think they can like not take your resignation? Right. So I'm not allowing you to quit.

Heather  39:15

All right. Well, he had he had a another reason for telling me that he just wasn't upfront about the reason for telling me that. Um, so we went back and forth and I finally said, No, I'm done. I'll give you 30 days notice find somebody to replace me. I'll train them. But we'll never give 30 days never ever so ever. Anybody.

Lynn  39:38

This is advice year. Because because if you give 30 days what happens?

Heather  39:45

Oh, I was torture because I didn't tell my staff for those two weeks. And so I was now a double agent and not Integris

Lynn  39:54

blah, blah, blah. Yeah. So you were out of integrity having to lie to your staff for two whole weeks. And by the way, the call Just on you. I wish I could see her face. She made the gagging noise. The cost on you to be out of most people do not understand the cost of being out of integrity. Yeah.

Heather  40:10

Yeah. Yeah. So it. So that was difficult, because anyways, it was hard. And then two weeks came and I told them and they're like, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And then said, boss, the president of the company came down the day, my last day, and he's like, let's go to dinner the night before. And I'm like, okay, sure, whatever. And he's like, Yeah, I'm closing your center. I'm like, Oh, you get to tell them. I'm not telling them that. You get to tell them. So he wanted me on leave. So I would get a severance. Which was kind? Yeah. Why? So when my staff were like, did you know about this? I'm like, nope. Found out last night. If I knew I would have a severance in you have a severance? I do not. Yeah. So. So as bizarre as that was, I was able to stand in integrity then with my staff.

Lynn  41:06

That's nice. Now did he know he was closing it when you call to quit? Yes, it almost had we've been under already under plans. So that's why he was he was trying to say to you a little bit.

Heather  41:17

He's trying to give me some money. And I was just like, too proud. Like, no, that's like, no, like, you're I'm like, whatever. So

Lynn  41:26

well, because you did that out of integrity. Because remember, you said you said I Why would I not do what's real?

Heather  41:32

Right? Yeah, I'm leaving. So um, so that was a that was a codependent departure. Because literally, my staff got an offer that I didn't agree with. And I was like, the first two weeks of leaving my sister was here on vacation and I was calling them go get a lawyer find out what the legal thing likely like I was. Yeah. And super caretaking. Not my problem. codependent place anyways, so then the whole quitting. I got fine with it. Because Eat Pray Love was out at that time. Oh, I could take a year for many. This was 2004. Like July it was like I think a year for me. That'd be fantastic. I have RRSPs I can just let's just do this because I'm done. So I don't know what's next. So I was on vacation with my sister and I had met a lady in that February at a networking thing who was opening the School of Natural nutrition in Moncton. And she was literally opening it, like, less than a kilometer from my house in a house. And I'm like, shit, oops, Damn, I should say that word. I'm gonna do that that fits in my year. I'm gonna do that. Why not? So I called up a good friend of mine. And the two of us were macaroni and cheese and michelina dinners. Like this is the precancerous diet, my like, it was just not we don't cook for ourselves, because we work too much. And she was the same. And she was off because of an accident that she'd had and so it fit in her world to be able to do this. And so literally, I went to school walking to school, doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo and learning about everything, like relearning everything and having the time to read about something interesting that I wanted to read about and learned how to make soup. I mean, soup was boiled vegetables with meat in it with no tastes like how do you make soup? I didn't know how to make some soup became the poor, the affordable, beautiful food and shopping because shopping was a thing when I was employed. I was good on Shopaholic scale, for sure. I would shop and then take it back. I didn't pick up on that shock. And

Lynn  44:04

you know that a lot of people don't understand how much shopping you know, isn't is a form of addiction. It's a form of coping to get those dopamine hits and so forth. Big time. You know, it is a lot of people have that one. I'm one of them. I'm a kind of a recovering shopaholic. I don't shop much anymore but I used to, especially when I was working because I was making money. Absolutely. So I could you know when I was working in the corporate world, so I could you know, go afford to shop but yeah. Coping sharp and take a bath. I love it.

Heather  44:37

Yeah, shop and then take it back and not always keep it and and then shopping became groceries. So when we go every two or three days and just be out. Do you know like, hey, and I became food snob and trying to and I in my corporate world. I was always trying anything. I had my mother's I fix myself thing. So like I was always trying massage or like, oh, that body scan or Oh, here. And so I was always trying stuff and I learned reflexology and my last year working there. I gone on one weekend course. I was doing reflexology on the side a little bit. But not much. But you know, like, Oh, this is kind of fun. Like, this is what my mom has done no, do this do. And so when the year came up, or when school was done, I should say, I was like, Whoa, I get to go for a walk every day. Like I like there's too much freedom here. I can't go back. I

Lynn  45:47

can't go back. And so how long did it take for you to realize you couldn't go back?

Heather  45:55

Um, I didn't even think about going back when I was in school. Yeah, I worked at Costco over Christmas. You know, I'd done it done some stuff that, you know, what are you doing here? Like, they didn't know. And then I'm at Costco, like doing big stuff in there. Funny. You're doing here. I quit my job. Yeah, 36 and 37 at that point, but um, so I had the realization when the time clock was up, and I was graduating from this school of natural nutrition. I'm like, Okay, I've got that's, that's June. Really,

Lynn  46:36

I've got to make some decisions now

Heather  46:38

our year, like, quote, unquote, my Eat

Lynn  46:41

Pray Love year is up.

Heather  46:42

What do I do now? And, and a piece of the puzzle I didn't tell you is when I quit my job. I didn't tell my parents. I waited until I had quit. I had laughed and I called them up.

Lynn  46:59

Okay, so I had, I had a very similar experience when I left my corporate job. So I have to ask, did you not tell your parents because you were afraid they talk you out of it? Because they wanted to be sure you had a job with money and security or that's what

Heather  47:12

mine was. So there's definitely that. But there was also like, I'm gonna be banished from the family because Oh, don't do that.

Lynn  47:22

In okay. Because y'all were like, grind it resilient. We get done people, okay.

Heather  47:28

My family, my brother, we're he figured it out. He worked 60 years and was 35 years of working for a company. Yeah. Timelines.

Lynn  47:36

So this was one of those. We don't do this in our family.

Heather  47:39

Thanks. Yeah. Same thing happened with my sister when she gets divorced kind of thing. Like we don't.

Lynn  47:44

Oh, yeah. We don't get divorced. Yeah, get divorced. But

Heather  47:49

it was, it was it was good that she did it. And when, like, my parents wanted to put me on a plane and take me home and like you're having a breakdown, like, Are you suicidal? Because I was oh, my gosh, I'm not a kid who cries like that? Like, it was just like, yeah, it wasn't my MO as far as they were concerned. And I'm like, are you okay? Like, I distinctly remember, you okay with my decision? Yeah, we just want you to be happy. Oh, well, I'm happy. Like, Oh, really? Like, I don't need to travel your house. No, I'm good. Like, yeah. Awesome. Yeah, it I've had, like, a great deal of support and my, my journey that way, or my parents huge and, and that's the thing we make all these realities that we play, like virtual realities in our head of things that aren't real. that keep us stuck places. And until we actually push the envelope, we don't know what real actually is, like, what the outcomes gonna be.

Lynn  49:00

And they're right there. You just said a masterclass and learning how to be autonomous with your own life. Dope. You know, if you're playing the virtual reality in your head, and it's keeping you stuck because you haven't tested it, then you're the author of your outcome, not everybody else.

Heather  49:20

Right. Now, I didn't know that that experience 17 years ago, 18 years ago, 19 years ago, was an alignment with something that I've done recently in the last year and got exposed to which is Access Consciousness, which is all about being you. They're trying to get people to be you and the deprogramming of all the programming is what they focus on. And it's

Lynn  49:51

not as as a company or as, because that's, I mean, creative spirits unleashed. That's why I call it that. That's when I started realizing, Hey, I connect Should I live my life as myself and not some programmed robot? You know, that's what I started calling my business that so this is very intriguing to me. So,

Heather  50:09

so Access Consciousness been around for 22 years, the founder and co founder basically are channelers, who are really, like, one of them's a beautiful business mind in his 80s. His name's Gary Douglas. And, you know, he just was going from failure to failure in different ways, I think and, and the other co founder was suicidal, and had one treatment done that this original man channeled previous previously, and he wasn't suicidal that after that, and that Access Bars. And so to a year ago, a year ago, I took that course and Access Bars, and I've since taken, huh, three other courses, and wow. And they have a ton of information on YouTube, that is extremely useful. A lot of that information is more deep dive in their courses. And it's all about, like, they have a course called foundation that you think, oh, building the foundation to like, go down this path. And it's like, no, you arrive, and they're like, we're breaking your foundations, like, we're gonna shatter them. Because all the foundations that you have as structures in your life, are just constructs that are meant to keep you stuck. So let's go. And so that there and, and it's, it is there on the bubble of awareness, like, their big thing is awareness, like, just expand your awareness, and you can have a knowing and so it meshes with my intuitive journey and being and it may or may not mesh with everybody, but they can be extremely offensive to trigger people to get them to release that judgment, for example.

Lynn  52:03

Well, you know, I, it's interesting, because I think a lot about how pressure can cause us to either curl up into our own made up stories, or it can help us release them and you need the pressure to actually, you know, get past that stuff. So yes, if you if you're offensive, sometimes that's what it takes to wake somebody up. It's sort of like, I think about that, that picture of Cher snapping, hit, it's slapping Nicolas Cage in that movie, moonlighting or Moonstruck, and she snaps them and she hits him, slaps him and says snap out of it. Right, you know, we need somebody to snap us out of it. Because it all all of this other stuff is such an illusion.

Heather  52:50

Yes, yeah. And so, like, he's, he's being offensive consciously. Yes, they're doing it consciously or for purpose. Yes, for a grander purpose to like, shake the structure, shake the judgment shake, because they're like, consciousness is where everything exists, and nothing is judged. And, and every anybody if you just be you, because you don't have judgments, and people don't have judgments about you, then you can be totally you. So like, everybody's magical and needs to be you. And so that's really kind of the whole premise of what they do. And doing this bars. I've seen people have massive changes, and they've been saying it for 22 years, so I'm not. I'm just new on their train. Yeah. And, and there's, it's interesting to me, because I listened to Pam Gregory, who's an astrologer I, I loved Lee Harris, who's a Chandler for like, a decade, probably. Maybe a little less than that time flies. It's a little bit weird. But I they're all doing the same thing and saying the same thing in different ways to reach different audiences. But yeah, it's And now's the time and to quote, Access Consciousness now is also the space, which doesn't make sense if you take it literally, but the space has been created, because the construction is not there anymore in the way that it was. So that we have more space to actually be who we are, because they add this destroying the structure with whoever will listen, whoever along the journey with them. And, and, and literally, prior to when COVID hit, I was like, you know this COVID thing is a beautiful gift to a lot of people. It's a pressure cooker for a lot of people. Yeah, but it's either way it's trying to get people to wake up and be themselves more or or take themselves into the equation or

Lynn  55:03

the well Yeah, cuz to start seeing all the places where you've given away, who are your power your essence to plays the corporate game, and or to make money or to be accepted in society or whatever it might be, it's the ways we trade ourselves off. So it's, it's really sad if you think about it. And I think that's what you you know, to me, that's what it means to be autonomous. And so that's is that bringing us all the way back full circle to what I wanted to go to, which was the autonomy and connected spirit to be who you are. And that's, is that what you're doing now? Is that, like, besides the podcast, what is it that you're doing right now towards that? I don't really know these things.

Heather  55:47

It's true. It's interesting to be on the other end of the questions. So having the freedom to create my own business has allowed me to do things that I want to do and be curious about things I want to learn. And, and honestly, I'm, I've done business profiles with StrengthsFinder and things and yeah, it is like nine out of 10. Like, I'm not,

Lynn  56:19

you're not profit motivated. Yeah,

Heather  56:21

this corporate typical way to go about doing it. And I've had, you know, business mentors come in, and she, you know, she set up a program where you like them to come back. So you can have residual income, and I'm like, I'm gonna if they're don't need me, why would they come back? No point to fix somebody and get the next person in. Like,

Lynn  56:42

that's so funny that you say that, because I've had the same kind of business coaching before. And it's like, no, my job is not to create a need for me forever. Now, if somebody wants to work with me, for longer, it means that I just have to stay ahead of them. Because I'm going to teach them everything I know, at this moment. Yeah. And but I'm like you I'm very curious. I'm always learning. So I have clients that have been with me for a long time. But it's because mostly because I'm just really good at asking questions. It's not because I have any special knowledge.

Heather  57:12

Right? Yeah. Or, or they'll go and come back, or they'll go, I've had a lot of clients do that. I had to learn something. And now you showed up to them, I get to teach you what I learned this is my business dies, it's because I'm stuck. Because I'm like, stuck. And it's like, okay, there, you're, you're creating space for me to do me. Figure myself. Yeah. So I, I, one of the things that I do regularly is a process that I created through working with a machine that I bought fresh out of out of school, which I had had done on myself. But when I find out the machine can actually test emotions. So buying that machine, and it can test anything, it's it's just a vitality measure. So you've Okay, person is Google in my head, you know, to their database. And so you just ask to see what the vitality of that particular part of the database is, be it energetically or in my world, this is how. And so I created a process called the health assessment, which looks at 38 different systems and body parts physically, emotionally, energetically, and sometimes just as physical sometimes just energetic, but the body will give me a result and that creates conversation that's personalized to the individual. And, and because everything's energy and is a frequency then I just see. And it sounds like I'm cold and harsh here, but but it's easy to tune into a baby horse, a dog person, as long as I know, I know. Like, do you need a picture? I'm like, I don't really want to know about the being I want to be. Because my, my puzzle fixing CSI addict when I was working corporate will be like, okay, like you've given me a clue. And now we need to chase that. And then it's like, yeah, and

Lynn  59:17

I know and I know what to do as opposed to being the conduit. Yeah,

Heather  59:21

yeah. So I'm like, I want the body to tell me what part of the information I'm sitting on as a toolbox of stuff because I I was like every person who changes their job do you don't think think they know enough before they can actually help somebody when really they just need to be the sound barrier or the space or say that again? Because

Lynn  59:43

I have seen more people be blocked from chasing their dreams, if you will, from thinking they don't know enough they have to go get another certification. They have to go get more letters behind their name. Say that again.

Heather  59:56

Oh, I have the stack. I did it and not charging Enough based on based on based on the market, sometimes based on work also. So, yeah, people, people will. And I think it comes back to, you know, the proverbial grooming that we've had, that we will continue to chase knowledge when the knowledge will show up when we need it. And so if you're, if you're out of the way, you'll be guided, where to gather that information, or the conversation will ping something, it'll be like, Oh, well, that's the thing. And then you'll go find the information. Now, all of my training comes, it does sit in the field, for me, of course, right? So I'm not. So I think people need to go through their learning intuitively, and go, Oh, that thing's crossed my radar, I need to learn about lymphatic system, or oh, that thing's crossed my radar, I need to learn about how to be a digital marketer, like, follow the pings of your intuition what things you need to learn, and you won't waste any money. Yeah, but you should not wait until you have all that knowledge to start helping people or start being of service. There you go. Because you actually are able to help. And you're never going to know at all. No, no. So

Lynn  1:01:32

don't let that get you stuck. Right.

Heather  1:01:35

And it's a comfortable place, it's a very comfortable place, if you're a learner to just keep learning and not actually make it available as an offering to be of service. Yeah, wasted. And some personalities are more prone to that than others. You know, some people will just comes back to how the intuition shows up. Like I think of a common friend or person we know work Schiller, who's like, I don't need it early. I'm just gonna keep doing what I'm doing. I'm sure. There, there are personalities that do that. But then there's also personalities that will, will stay in that learning states. To be stuck, like you said,

Lynn  1:02:21

to be to be a little Yeah, to say, I'll go out to the market when I have all these pieces. You know, the thing about being an entrepreneur is by definition, it's really, you're, you're you're solving problems that you can see need to be solved. And you're not going into business because you have solved the problem. But because you get to go do the puzzle working and so to me, the the fun part of being an entrepreneur is daily, working out how to solve that puzzle, with my clients day in and day out, as opposed to like having an offering that says here, I can just slap you know, a sticker on something and say here, you've got the seal of approval or whatever. It's like no, this is so this is puzzle working. Yeah. And it's fun.

Heather  1:03:05

It is fun. Yeah. And my mom always said she's like, if you can fill a need, you will succeed. You know that wise woman.

Lynn  1:03:13

Oh, if you can fill a need, you will succeed. I love it. Your mom's very wise.

Heather  1:03:17

Yes. I landed Well,

Lynn  1:03:20

yeah. You laid it on this planet. Well, so so that end do you will, you know share your website and everything that you do you offer this through a website or? Yeah, so

Heather  1:03:30

um, so there's an eclectic mix on that website from mine learning but even while I'm like you, it's like if you if I paying for you, then there's something my thing that would be helpful. So everything I do for humans I do for animals really targeting recently the horse world because I'm just like, there's so there's so they're just so

Lynn  1:04:01

horses. I just get just saying the word horses just gave me chills. Everybody that listens to this podcast is followed through with my, my whole journey of you know, falling off a horse and getting back on the horse and discovering what amazing teachers they are, especially around what it really means to be a leader and not a command and control leader. Not I think, you know, leader, but a dancing with the other being later. And horses are they're so forgiving. That's the thing I think that strikes me the most is there's so forgiving. Because they because they read energy. They know our energy better oftentimes than we do. And, you know, the more I look back on some of the ways I've showed up, I'm like, Oh, I really blundered and yet the horse still forgave me. How cool is that?

Heather  1:04:54

Yeah. Well, I think they have a knowing that's deeper than just our present showing up. So, like something Yeah. Essential, and that's part of the forgiveness. I think that they're knowing is that deep? I think they're knowings deeper than any human. Yeah. I think yeah. Yeah, they, they don't necessarily share it always.

Lynn  1:05:20

But they know. Now remind me Do you have horses?

Heather  1:05:24

I don't have horses currently.

Lynn  1:05:28

I'm in your club.

Heather  1:05:30

I have the privilege of this was an another to intuit thing. I have the privilege of going to a barn where there's anywhere from? Well, right now there's five because there's a situation at the barn that less work is good. But sometimes up to 11 horses. So it's a it's as single horse trainer owns. It's his grandpa's property. And he isn't it's a it's a lifelong part of his life. But he has the day job, you know, like, but yeah. He's kind of a, he's one of the gentle, I'm gonna put a saddle on you kind of force people. And so I've, I've shown up there as a podcast guest who's a mutual friend, and she's like, You need to meet this man. When I said, I want to learn about horses. I'm ready. I don't know why. I don't know anything about them. But here we go. She's like you need and literally is five minutes from my house. And so I volunteered his burn and nice have people to he's he's graciously say yes. And so I call it in one circumstance a test kitchen because I was like, Can we try to fix this horses? Chronic reverse polarity, which is a stress with a lowered immune system. And he Well, he would be the puzzle. So I'll ask the owner and he would be the causal. And then he saw it work. And from his point of view of what he knows about horses move and help horses be and he's like, okay, that I lost my horse when he was three when he had a seizure in a trailer when I wasn't around, and my horse is back. That was like, Yay, I knew it would work when I needed.

Lynn  1:07:24

Wow. And did you use this machine on the horse?

Heather  1:07:27

Yeah, yeah. So I'm a surrogate for I work remotely for everybody at this point, which is lovely. And yeah, so it, it's quite when

Lynn  1:07:41

you say you're a surrogate, you use the machine on yourself for the benefit of the horse. And so you're reading the horses energy through your own body through the machine. Yeah.

Heather  1:07:49

Or Wow. Yeah, person. Yeah. Same, like COVID. I've always done that because my local client base would not have floated my boat. So my sister graciously was my test kitchen for that, because she lives in another city here and Canada. And I was like, I have a different body than you different issues. Like can I try you because I don't want to have all this knowledge and not be able to help my sister kind of thing. So yeah, it works. And so whenever somebody says we'll can do you know, somebody that does what you do in Ottawa, or in Florida, my parents would out of Florida. I'm like, I don't but like, I created it. So yeah, you do it. Because I work with people. I work with people this way. And

Lynn  1:08:38

so there's so doing that with this horse remotely brought the horse back from whatever trauma happened in the trailer.

Heather  1:08:44

Yeah, so he had a physical process that was interrupted that we all have because we're made of water. And that created issues with his assembly lines in in Pixar movie, way like the post office assembly lines. And that created inflammation creates toxic load, creates everything that they tried not working like it should like the laundry list of things they tried to get this horse back was was extensive, because the owner is that kind of owner. Yeah. We helped her horse. And, and literally, in three weeks, we had the horse back to better. And then we worked probably for four months on reducing the toxic load and the inflammation and, and he's like, like my, my horses back. Like, it's not that so great. So yeah, it was very profound that he said yes. I am grateful. I will always be grateful to this burn and this man and this owner who said yes, because I knew that intuitive thing and map on paper, I knew that this was going on, but I needed I needed to prove it, quote unquote, to two people in the horse world and, and then that gave me a story. Yeah, real story. And so there were other horses at that barn that we did it with as well. And that gave me more stories. And so. So then it became well, you should you should talk to that lady up there. She's got a horse and you guys will get along. Because you You're, you're going a little bit wide for me either like, yeah, this stuff. Let's work on the physical side. And like, okay, we can work on the physical side, we can we can do just the physical and help yours. Yeah. Or we could go really wide and talk about past lives. And yeah. And all the rest of it, how we show up and how the horses energy and trauma and and if it's beyond me, I have people that I can refer you to Yes, I'm doing my podcast or Yeah, yeah. So so it's, it's, that's been another cool thing about the podcast is I've been able to call people that resume. Or there's something about what they've said, like, like, you and I was like, Hi.

Lynn  1:11:20

Yeah, I know. Well, that's how we met was. I got an email through my website, I think, which, which is usually somebody's trying to either help me improve SEO or trying to sell me penis enlargement. I mean, it's the weirdest things that come in. And something told me yours was real. So I usually don't even open them. You know, because I can kind of tell, but I opened it up. And I said, Wait, she wants to talk to me about being on our podcast. This actually seems like a real person. Because sometimes I actually get podcasts solicitations that I can tell are definitely not real. Yeah, I know. And yeah, you know, because it happens to you, too, I'm sure. So anyway, I followed my intuition. And here we are, right. I'm so glad that we got to do the podcast, because I got to be on your podcast. And then now here we are having this deeper conversation.

Heather  1:12:13

You're well, and I remember, like speaking to you before the podcast, and it was just like, just like this bing, bing, bing, bing, bing. Yeah, we're like, Okay, that was an hour and a half, like, 10 minutes. That's like, Okay, we're gonna

Lynn  1:12:28

do this. Well, that's, that, to me, that's the magic of getting to do this is there's something about the Bing Bing Bing, if you will, like the going back and forth, but being able to, like, share a conversation like this, because I started the podcast, because my coaching conversations are also often like this, maybe a little bit more targeted to helping the person you know, I'm in a coach role. They're in a coachee role, if you will, or whatever, but there's still more like this. And they're confidential. I can't share those conversations. Yeah. So I was like, well, we can share these conversations, because they're amazing.

Heather  1:13:07

Yeah, it's so true. This stuff, like we're recent in a very privileged place, doing the work that we do, I find because we get to witness and be privy to some pretty awesome things that, you know, are for our that person's experience. And, and, and you just are like, wow, I just witnessed. Wow,

Lynn  1:13:36

like you just witnessed. Wow, yeah, yeah. Something is coming up that I need to ask you about sort of the direction this conversation in general, because you were talking about this is the time for us to become autonomous. And, and as I've just experienced as speaking over the last hour or so, what I have noted is your optimism for the world is moving towards a better place. Yeah, yeah. And, and yet, there are a lot of themes and social media among people I speak with, or if you just look at the news media, if you look at the condition of our planet, where there are many people who would say, This planet is going to hell in a handbasket. It's over we've destroyed it. We're not taking care of nature. Woe is me. What was the world? How do you line up your your view of the world with that view of the world?

Heather  1:14:41

Yeah. Wow. Thank you. This is like, Yeah, okay. So part of my at some point during the last three years are very early on actually. So when I quit My job I heard the words, you're going to be fine. And I just always held on to that as financial waves would happen as business. Oh, yeah. Right. And I was going to be fine. And I've always been fine. Always been fine. Sometimes better than fine. But always been fine. And so when when when fear hit the planet and magnitude in March of 2020. I heard you're going to be fine. And Noah's Ark. Oh, my God. That's interesting. I don't know what no response means. But I'm okay. If there's no zag. And I'm so. So again, I hang on to the words I'm fine. And I knew what that meant. I knew it wouldn't matter what happened. And I mean, there's been different waves, for sure. But I don't have a television. I haven't had a television in over a decade. Wow. Probably longer. When it broke. I didn't replace it. I have uter.

Lynn  1:16:13

I have a well,

Heather  1:16:16

I have access to YouTube. I have access. I'm a Facebook girl. I have I have gone down many rabbit holes. I have spent a lot of energy on stuff. educating myself on things. And and again, the timing of my podcast was not lost on me that I launched it September 2019. Yeah. And, and through this podcast, I've looked up and go, am I still supposed to be doing this? Because Mom was Mother's like, are you making any money on that podcast?

Lynn  1:16:52

By No, just unless you're Tim Ferriss, or a couple of other people. None of us are making money on our podcast. Let's be clear.

Heather  1:17:00

No, I think I'm just supposed to meet people because I'm like, break for that I keep on adding weight breaks to across the world. And so another intuition would come about in conversations where I'm like, I think that we are becoming avatar. I think our world is like literally movies and Hollywood predict, have been telling us the truth in so many different ways, shapes and forms and to discern which of Hollywood is the truth and which is not the truth. It's also curious and fun. But it's in there. It's in Hollywood. All in Hollywood, the truth is the truth. A truth is in Hollywood, on the movies, whatever. So Avatar was another thing like Noah's Ark, it's like Avatar, like blue people. All right, I want it to be the blue people part. The part where they're cutting down the Amazon like, people. And so like several conversations, I'm like we are, we are like the the Truth and Reconciliation, the awareness of, you know, the original knowledge, their original tribal knowledge being truth, the original knowledge that the Earth doesn't need us, we need the original knowledge of everything is repairable. Everything is energy, everything is a frequency. Yeah, how we show up and how we exist in that frequency influences the frequency. And what I've witnessed, is that what I call it is trauma, stalking. Oh, and so we have been, in one way, if you go to 5000 feet, we've been trauma stacked by the media, the fact that we are so interconnected and know too much about what's going on and other parts of the world. And we don't have we know, but we don't have a way to validate what is actually going on in other parts of the world unless you ask somebody what's going on in other parts of the world. And I hope

Lynn  1:19:19

we are receiving a filtered view of that by the way. Yeah, always,

Heather  1:19:23

always can. And intuitively you can you can verify in your heart whether something is true or not. You can ask truth is this true? And you'll feel it, you'll know it you'll so you can ask anything you're exposed to truth. Is this true? Or you can ask a question of somebody go true. Tell me if your bla bla bla bla bla and they'll have to tell you, it's just a it's just a energy and Access Consciousness tool. True. Wow. So I witnessed things that no My family who have TVs and watch media, we're experiencing something different than I was. And my exposure to watching live feed things. Yeah. of events around the world. And I'm like, but but so. So that created a disconnect in what I see as trauma stalking now that I just, I don't I yeah, I validate that you have had that awareness and experience and exposure, but I have not. And it doesn't all feel true to me. Because I've witnessed live feeds stuff. That what's being recorded in the media is a filter view, then the opposite view in some cases. And so I just sit in that knowing you can have your knowing you can have your butt. But I want you to assess whether you're operating out of a knowing or whether you're operating out of what you're being told. Because we go back to the grooming. Yeah. And grooming has been happening for centuries. Yeah. To be the worker bee blah, blah, blah. But listen to what you're told, like,

Lynn  1:21:23

say your Oh, yeah, I mean, the entire education system is built on getting people out of the farms and into the factories. Yeah. And, you know, I, when I first heard that, I knew that was true. Because I'm thinking, okay, as a banker, even I was a factory worker. Like, just because I wasn't making a car doesn't mean I wasn't making something. And the other piece is the loop of the news. Like if you've ever been in a household where somebody's got the news on, and every 30 minutes, they're looping the same stories. Talk about stalking, you think that, like you hear one bad piece of news, but they've said it 10 times during the last couple of hours. So now it's 10 times as big as it really is.

Heather  1:22:09

And I profoundly noticed that at 911. Yes. And when I I was we had an employee talking to somebody in one of the towers, doing a first party collection call when the plane hit. Wow. And she just got off the phone. It was not in the building that the person was talking to, but it became her building. Yeah. And she went on blind. She's like Heather, like blah, blah. And we had somebody from New York doing training. And he went next door to the RadioShack. Like, local future shopper. Yeah, theater, whatever, in the mall next door, where I made my fateful phone call to and he went and watch the news because his daughter ran a daycare. One of the towers anyways. But we didn't see that once. We didn't see that event around the world once. We probably saw that 5000 times.

Lynn  1:23:09

In that timeframe. We sure did all day long reporting over and over again. And

Heather  1:23:15

we also my, my feeling when I saw it, and my staffs feeling when they saw it was like, this is just like a movie. Like, how horrible is that? When you're seeing people, right? It's just like an Armageddon movie. It's Oh, yeah,

Lynn  1:23:33

absolutely. People running out of the smokey running out of the dust. Yeah, literally,

Heather  1:23:39

we had been conditioned not to respond with the, with the terror that technically, but because of the number of times we see it and then we hear the stories and bowl a lot. It becomes a thing. So anyways, all that is a is a thing. And so I have been, I've just been like true. I have blinders on like a Western. And COVID created this beautiful space and me hanging out with horses all day for like the entire summer and getting bliss and the world was going into panic and I'm like, but I'm in bliss, like this is gonna feel guilty, but I remember this, but I don't feel guilty.

Lynn  1:24:28

And I think there was a whole thing called COVID guilt for for people especially like me who were living in a different place where this was already how I was living. I was working from home, I have a lot of space. And, you know, I felt guilty that my life wasn't falling apart like it looked like everybody else's was falling apart.

Heather  1:24:46

Yeah. And, and I, I I firmly believe that there were many different experiences, and people have PTSD from it. Because of their exposure in the front line or whatever, yeah, whatever role they had to play. And I also think that some of that PTSD was created no doubt because of the trauma, stalking, because of the changing goalposts because of the division, like because, whatever, whatever, whatever. Um, so I took that space and I said, Okay, I guess it's time for me to also work on my own shit. So I started counseling, I did trauma releasing exercises. I did all this stuff around trauma got entrenched in Gabor Ma Tei. Again,

Lynn  1:25:44

Oh, I love Gabor Ma Tei. He's come up and several, you know, what's come up in several of my last podcast avatar. The Back to Nature idea and Gabor Ma Tei.

Heather  1:25:55

Yeah, right. So, yeah, so what I see COVID has done is it's either created people had time to garden, they had time to reassess their work life, they had time to determine whether they liked the people that were living with, like, Yeah, time if they chose to go figure something else, like you were allowed to go out in nature in some places, not in other places. But they they literally took away all of the coping mechanisms, all of the things that boost immune systems. Yeah. Yeah. For safety,

Lynn  1:26:34

I know, isn't that wild? But you know what you're set what what's really striking me about what you're saying is, you're making the choice to focus on what you can do something about, and not focusing on the things you can't do anything about? Why and I feel like that's been a big problem is a lot of times people are trying to solve for things that they have. No, it's not theirs to solve. Solve yourself. Not world hunger, if you will.

Heather  1:27:06

Right. Well, and it's not like I didn't go down rabbit holes and spend a lot of energy in place.

Lynn  1:27:11

When you said you had waves. And I think that's the other side of this is that emotions come in waves. Yeah. And we have to ride that way. And I don't have any. Yeah, she's got she's. But but as we work as we work through waves, you know, it's sort of like, oh, well, did you ride the wave? Because that's our job. Nature gives us the wave. Right. And we have little one our big one.

Heather  1:27:41

Yeah, and it's not lost on me that there is a lot more I could say about this topic that I'm choosing not to. Yeah. And that's why I'm coughing.

Lynn  1:27:49

I was about to say this is not an accident that you're coughing your your body is saying we're not talking about that right now. No, and

Heather  1:27:56

and I think there's a lot more I can say about this that I'm not saying but again, I'm gonna go back to the fact that it is a beautiful time for people to really embrace their intuition. It is a beautiful time for them to to assess where they are on the trauma scale. Everybody on the planet has trauma because we've all been groomed Yeah. Away from to quote grub or mass a, we've chosen attachment over belonging over autonomy and autonomy

Lynn  1:28:28

self expression, yes. This is the one of the core balancing acts in my book dancing the tightrope,

Heather  1:28:35

right yeah, we talked about this on my podcast so we're being called to become our own true selves. And that's the avatar piece is like you might be blue by the time this is done y'all remember those Smurfs? Maybe they were real. Like and, and also in this time, like literally, I was going through a wave of rabbit hole, I'll call it at the same time that the Access Bars came and I took a course on Access Bars like literally the same month life had just blown up in our country division wise Yeah. With the truckers and I rabbit hold big time there. And I'm like, Yeah, couldn't couldn't because I was watching different scenarios being real for different realities for different people. And and then Access Bars this access conscious thing, like it's like your Heather take this and I'm like, okay, me and another friend interesting. We went and, and what Access Bars does is it It takes it literally is a delete button on computer. So commuter, overstimulated with things that didn't have coherence which creates trauma in any system, and the Access Bars is literally you hold Pete like specific channels parts of your head. And people do this all over the world. Practitioners all over the world. And it's like a delete button on the charge the energy of the thought. And in some cases the thought goes away. And some cases just the the energy that keeps the spin going on. Keeps it right in there. Yeah. Looks it in and makes you stay there. Yeah. It it creates space, it takes it away. I'm

Lynn  1:30:51

so is this when you say it's a bar? Is it like a magnetic bar? Is it? No, it's literally

Heather  1:30:55

they call it the bars. That's the trade name for it. And it's literally points on your head that aren't acupuncture.

Lynn  1:31:03

So you're not it's not a thing. It's just a way of

Heather  1:31:06

people holding your head. Oh, it's like cranial

Lynn  1:31:08

sacral but with a different intention. Maybe

Heather  1:31:12

right in it. And like when I took it, I'm like, Oh, the gallbladder meridians all over the head. We're touching the gallbladder meridian all these places and that's about mental activity and frustration. Isn't that interesting? Oh, okay. But there's different topics to every point of these 32 Points on the Head. Think it's 32 I never remember the number correctly. That's a detail. But um, you know, joy, sadness, body sexuality, control, awareness. You know? There's 32 different topics. And they suggest watching the news. While you haven't done they said, I suggest having people think about all their stressors or things that are problems lives. They suggest watching the gaslighting, the original gaslighting movie, well, that movie,

Lynn  1:32:00

you know, you were talking about the grooming and I was like, this is the opening for gaslighting. This is why people if you because to me, one of the things about intuition is that you know, things that you don't know how you know them. Yeah. But if you if you know things and you don't know how you know it, and like the gas light, which is actually getting dimmer and dimmer in this case, but somebody causes you to question it, then it can make you question you're on Saturday? For sure. For sure. And I know that can you do the Access Bar on yourself? Or do you have to have somebody do it with you? You can for

Heather  1:32:32

so a lot of what they're also about is that people aren't used to being touched. People need to lay down and receive receiving there's a gift there. So yes, totally can be done on yourself. I did it two days ago on myself. It's it just is another different experience when you're actually laying on a massage table or in a gravity chair and somebody's holding your head and your your job is to receive. Yeah, so yeah.

Lynn  1:33:02

But you know, I do know, people get spun up in their thoughts. I typically Yeah, she's waving raising your hand, I typically as a coach will give people there's a there's a breath, I called a ribbon breath, that can really help, like, bring down those thoughts. And, you know, do that two or three times, and it's kind of even hard to get spun, spun back up again, after you've done that, because it just releases a lot of that energy. Because what most people don't know, at least they didn't teach me in school is that thoughts are energy. But it's so easy to see that it's thoughts. And you know, to me, it's so easy to say thoughts or energy if you spend any time with horses. Yeah. And actually, I use Heart Math as well. Yeah. And, you know, yeah, if you put somebody on the Heart Math, where you can kind of see the sine wave of your coherence with your heart and ask somebody to think, you know, once they get into coherence, and they're breathing along in the rhythm and then say, All right, I want you to think about your most stressful problem. You can see it happen right there on the screen, and it's like, Alright, now here's what we're gonna do show you how to get back into coherence again. And I think horses show us that I think when we are thinking certain thoughts,

Heather  1:34:18

they can move away or come towards us. away. Yeah, just based on our thoughts. Totally. They're the they're, well, animals and the other place. They talked about nature being one of your themes. The other place. I mean, literally, I went from the barn to walking in nature yesterday and I and I used to do this in my corporate job in the summertime, I would drive that 20 minutes to get to the beach. I was like, Yeah, me. Oh, yeah. And it was like a nightly thing just to discharge on the beach. And nature will do that. Like it has a coherence as well. So

Lynn  1:34:57

it does. That's the first thing in COVID I wrote a blog post, which I repost every year, about this time now called rough waters make good sailors. And in that post, one of the things I said is, you know, get yourself in nature, even if it's the tree in the parking lot, because I work with a lot of hospitals. And that's literally maybe all I could do was go to the tree in the parking lot, but it's like, get yourself some exposure to something natural.

Heather  1:35:24

And, and see, even that part of the, of the non avatar world we live in is, you know, is trauma stacking. So where else then? Well, there's many places, but a hospital is a place that should be surrounded by nature for people to discharge, and look at Absolutely. And some of the biggest hospitals with who manage the most stressful things are all located in downtown Sydney, their concrete

Lynn  1:35:58

jungles, some of them. Now, the one I work with the most isn't and it has those spaces. And in fact, they even created something, I think they call it serenity Cove, but it was a place for the workers to go and get some space with music playing and nature sounds and you know, you just feel like you're walking into a rainforest. And it's like, I think they even use essential oils to make it smell a certain way and so forth. So, yeah, not everybody does that. But you know, they had the wisdom to say we have to really help our people. You are serving others. So well. You know, you're you have a lot to offer. For I think a lot of people so can you tell people how to find you? And if they if they have a way to work with you? How might they be able to work with you?

Heather  1:36:48

Oh, thank you. I have a website that is healing vitality.ca. And it took me years, literally years to understand that oh, yeah, I am healing vitality. That's interesting. But I'm not actually doing it. I am just the space where it happens.

Lynn  1:37:10

You're a conduit.

Heather  1:37:11

I'm a conduit. And I'm on Facebook, some people find me through messenger. I have a healing vitality page there. Those are the two main Yeah,

Lynn  1:37:23

I'm gonna follow that because you said you were on Facebook. And you know, I love my Facebook feed because of who I follow, I get the coolest things coming through my Facebook. I do not have a doom and gloom through my Facebook because of what I like and what and I guess if I do have doom and gloom, I just ignore it. Like I just scroll right past it. So I just keep getting fed more and more amazing things.

Heather  1:37:44

Well, and and so here's the magic for anybody out there is we're in this place. And you commented on my optimism is literally if we can be in the love frequency, and if you want to look up, you know, the what do you call it? It's a scale, the scale of consciousness. I think it's called by David Hawkins who

Lynn  1:38:08

I was gonna say I was recognizing David Hawkins work. Yes, yeah,

Heather  1:38:13

it's real power versus force. So you can look at where the heck's like there's neutral and all the lower frequency emotions, which is where the trauma stacking exists. Yeah, there's courage and neutrality and love and joy and bliss and enlightenment, all those type of things. But like, that's literally a choice. So you choose with what's on your Facebook just like I do, like horses and horse I do to bla bla bla, right. So you can choose there's there's so many ways we can choose to and again that's that's like one of the Access Consciousness places but it's also a we Harris word is also Pam Gregory's world. Like it's a global awareness that we always have a choice not to not feel emotions, if they are warranted. It's not to not live in your personal reality of like, you know, somebody's sick, you're going through a work thing, like whatever. But in between those moments in between, when you're driving, or when you're whatever, Put on the music that brings you joy and makes you say, like, yeah, literally make choices moment to moment, when you're not in a place of meeting to be in a lower vibration because you're processing emotion or because you're, you know, you've been triggered in some way. You have a choice, how long you stay in those places. And we all do, and we have a choice with what we expose ourselves to. If I had a TV, I still wouldn't be watching the news. I just would because my nervous system doesn't like that, go look up vagus nerve go look up how to balance the vagus nerve that's your fight, flight, freeze or rest and digest the the nervous system of the planet in order to get into this joy place needs to have some attunement on their vagus nerve, right? So we can all hold her face like a grandma who wants to just eat up their grandkid. And in your face, you're doing a vagus nerve hold

Lynn  1:40:32

that shakes up. By the way, she's got her hands on either side of her cheeks, everybody, if you're not driving, keep both hands on the wheel. And you're driving. I'm doing it now too, which is basically I put my, the palms of my hands against the side of my cheeks with the heels of my hands together below my chin. Yeah, just like

Heather  1:40:50

that's the vagus nerve fault. So two hands, two fingers behind your ears, two fingers in front of your one handed, you don't have to do both hands.

Lynn  1:40:57

Okay, if you're driving, you can even do this one handed. But most people

Heather  1:41:02

and you wait, you just hold that scan on scan and you wait. And you will notice it might take three minutes, it may take five minutes, it might take two seconds you will start to salivate, you will probably you will have the horse responsive looking to maybe you will notice your shoulders go down you will take a deep breath you'll sigh will mean something that transitions your body from like, alert to oh, wait a minute, something has just told me and

Lynn  1:41:30

there's like that's just sympathetic to parasympathetic right there. Yeah. Okay, so that's amazing, Heather. And actually, I always, I always ask my podcast guests to give some advice to people at the end. And you just did. And you so you just answered that question that I didn't even ask. But I will say this to somebody who's finding resistance to choosing to put that music on to hold your hand against your face to do something to shift you out of fight or flight and into your parasympathetic system. And this is my question. This is a coaching question. Which I rarely coach on this on this podcast. But it just came up that I should say this. If you are choosing not to ask yourself, what is it giving you to stay where you are? Because what it's what's what you're getting for being where you are, no matter how much you think you hate it is worth more to use in the option of changing it. So automation ships, what did Jesus say?

Heather  1:42:35

Exclamation point

Lynn  1:42:36

to? Yes. And I'm saying that from a knowing for myself, because there was a time when being stuck in my own head and stuck in my own victimhood of ain't it awful. The world is horrible doom and gloom. I can't do this. There's no way out. I'm stuck. I was there. And somebody kept calling me out and saying, Are you sure? You're not choosing it? You act like you have no choice. But are you sure you don't have something to say about this? And when I found that I could have choice. I had to be responsible and I wasn't more comfortable. But over time, it's been better. So that's what I would just say. And Heather's just over here nodding and smiling. Sometimes I wish we did a video podcast that people could see because she is so expressive. Heather, you and I can never play poker, anywhere because both of us have transparent faces. I know. I can't hide how I feel. I've got two aces. Sorry, everybody just take my money. Exactly. Yeah. Well, this has been a delight. I can't thank you enough for being here. And I will ask everybody as you listen to this podcast at work, anything before I go there, is there anything else you'd like to say to close?

Heather  1:43:57

Self Care is paramount right now to finding your self. And self care can be so small, it's just taking one step like self care can be a mountain. But it's just one step. And once you get started, is it's this beautiful thing. And you know, we all know that story of the stewardess who tells everybody because they have to tell everybody legally but it's also because it's been groomed to put the air mask on your children and your husband before you put it on yourself. Yeah, everybody looks after everybody else first and my mama my was my mom. She's like, Do you have any water in your will? You make sure you put water in your well? Yeah, nobody can drink for a while was dry. So take a step. Take any Step. Drink water. I start with drinking water. Right, do anything that is a choice for you. And then start stalking that, huh?

Lynn  1:45:10

Right. Yeah. Because everything starts with a baby step. Yeah. Yeah.

Heather  1:45:15

You can't do it wrong. You cannot do self care wrong.

Lynn  1:45:19

I love it. Because self care is self care. Right, Heather, you're amazing. Thank you. This has been such a delight. And for those of you listening, if you enjoyed this, please share it with your friends, your colleagues, people that you think might get something out of it. Also, if you are interested in continuing to follow, you can follow Heather on Facebook at healing vitality. And for my for my audience, I have the coaching digest, which is a weekly nugget of coaching. It's like having a coach in your pocket, you can sign up at my website at Len carnes.com. So share it and we will see you on the next podcast. Thank you, everybody. Thank you for listening to the creative spirits unleashed podcast. I started this podcast because I was having these great conversations and I wanted to share them with others. I'm always learning in these conversations, and I wanted to share that kind of learning with you. Now what I need to hear from you is what you want more of and what you want less of. I really want these podcasts to be a value for the listeners. Also, if you happen to know someone who you think might love them, please share the podcast and of course subscribe and rate it on the different apps that you're using, because that's how others will find it. Now, I hope you go and do something very fun today.