Inventing our Own "Nightmare on Elm Street" Video Game

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Hey, hey everybody, Hello,
and welcome to Welcome to prime time of

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Freddy's Nightmares Podcast. I am your
host, Enrique Kuto here with my co

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host Double D, Louis Dreyfus,
Bartholomew Denier. Thank you, thank you

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for that. Oh, no problem, no problem. And as many of

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you know who have been listening regularly, we are winding down. We are

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down to three episodes to watch.
So we decided to take a little fun

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side quest because David's been playing a
lot of Red Dead Redemption too, so

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he was like, bro, what
about a side quest? Like, bro,

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what if we passed by a covered
wagon and a woman's asking for help?

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I played it last night because I
just I've been watching a lot of

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westerns lately, and also I can't
remember you and I have been doing something

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lately. It's been things that make
me think of red Now I can't remember

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what it was. Well, we
saw Cutters, Butcher's Cross Crossing is already

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on Arion demand by the way,
as of today. Yeah, yeah,

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those days were recording this. Yeah, the day we're recording this. Yeah.

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But no. So I was playing
Red Dead last night and uh,

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Enrique shot me an email from our
good buddy Mike the Bird Band DoD that

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over at this weekend this week,
which you can check out his podcast It's

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this week in Geek all one words
on your favorite podcasting app. Both of

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us have made several appearances on the
show. Had a really great time,

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super fun time, and he sent
us a really fun email that I kind

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of threw out to Henrique if we
wanted to do this episode, uh for

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this week, and we both agreed
that this could be some fun. So

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his email reads, Hey, Enrique
and David Louis Denouer. First of his

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name Slayer of Microphones, Desolation of
Middle Earth and occasionally the democratically pressident of

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some Zimbabwe and sometimes called Tim.
I like the money Python reference. There

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can I pick on you real quick? Yeah? Look how you've moved away

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from the center of your frame.
There we go. It's oh, and

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of Tuesday, but Anyway, I
digress, I'm picking on Dave because he's

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trying to get he's trying to get
better habits for sitting still. I've improving.

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Eventually, it's just gonna have to
be riddling. I'm just gonna have

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to give you riddlin. Either that
or it's gonna be like a chess brack.

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So, so Birdman writes this an
email. So he says, so,

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I want your pitches for a Nightmare
in Elm Street video game. Here

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is mine. Game type telltale style
narratives, split into three to five parts.

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The setting is post Nightmare and Elm
Street five, but pre Nightmare on

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Elm Street six. I don't know
why you'd go pre, but you could

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include it in the lore. I
digress. Characters five to seven high school

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slash college kids and Freddy, and
he says, duh, which I well

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appreciate it. For the record,
the reason it's pre Nightmare on Elm Street

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six is very simple. Okay,
what's that you think I'm gonna make a

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joke about you here? Right?
No? No, Because Freddy dies in

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six spoilers, and technically, technically
David he's never resurrected from the death he

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has in part six. You are
correct, so beccause Nymer on Elm Street

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seven is Wes Craven's new nightmare.
This new nightmare is not in the same

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cannon. But then, what's not
to say that? The game could be

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Freddie's back and it's a I get
that, but I think I think what

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Birdman's trying to say is he wants
it to be. He wants a little

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smack dab in the middle of Freddy
at his height. Yet, because you

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could say that Freddie versus Jason takes
place after Freddy's dead, this is true,

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maybe, I think So, it's
hard to Let's not try to make

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sense of the cannon. We digress
story. Alice is left Springwood and Freddie

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has thought defeated, but something stirs
and a cult group has an interest in

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resurrecting Freddy and starts killing people in
unusual ways. Players take control of the

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kids and Freddie. Gameplay, multiple
characters, stories, and decision shape narrative.

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When players take control of Freddie and
kills one of the PCs, it

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will shape the group of final survivors
and affect their chances of defeating Freddy.

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Freddy he picks off a strong character
early. It can motivate PCs and make

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them potentially stronger in the final encounter, or killing multiple weaker characters early on

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decides how weak they are as they
do not believe Freddy is directly responsible.

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PC's nightmares are shaped by narrative choices. PC's relationships can affect final confrontations,

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such as friendships, relationships, or
even friends become enemies vice versa. Final

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Outcome is a prequel to Nightmare and
Elm Street six and the suppression of Freddie

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and why no children are present and
why the town has crazy? See you

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just explained it. Yeah, A
non canonical happy ending is possible, but

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can be revealed as a nightmare.
True ending is difficult to obtain, but

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well worth it, encouraging branching paths
and multiple endings mini cameos by surviving Nightmare

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and Elm Street cast in references to
Freddy's nightmares and comics, et cetera.

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What's your pitch, guys. Mike
Host an executive producer of This Week in

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Geek. I I mean that's quite
a repertoire. Yes, well, Mike

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is a lot more plugged into I
mean, while he's an executive producer of

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This Week in geek, he's a
lot more plugged into gaming. Yeah,

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he's a lot more plugged into tabletop
as well as video games. Very true.

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I have a PlayStation five and I
play it with my hands. That's

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well, I mean I think I
think it's important. And this is what

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I said to you and text earlier
too, is I think it's important for

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our listeners and viewers to understand that
while we are gamers, we're not as

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as big as gamers as Mike is, obviously, but the games we play

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are mostly horror and RPG based,
I would say for the most part,

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because I think with Friday the thirteenth, we had a huge round of our

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friends that still play that with us
today. Evil Dead game, We've done

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Texas Chainsaw Killing Floor. You and
I started our friendship by playing the Devil's

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Cartel. Well, I mean it
was a few years into our friendship.

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Well, we started playing Devil's Cartel, which is that's Army of two for

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me of two. Yeah, Devil's
Cartel. Well, that game is easy

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to build a friendship on because it
is one shoot him up, but it's

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co op a so you're both in
it. And it also led to me

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deciding that we should play a Way
Out the game where you're two inmates in

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prison that decided to group together and
escape. Yeah, we're two inmates team

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up and escape prison. That was
a fun game. I mean that was

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the only disappointment of it was that
it was short. Because it was short.

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I don't think we realized it was
an indie game. No, Yeah,

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so we didn't realize it was gonna
be like three hours max. We

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I thought it was going to be
a little bit more open world of the

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prison, kind of like almost like
hit Man, because that's a game that

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you and I both love, especially
you love hit Man. You liked hit

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Man. It's fine, you'll be
fine. Yeah, you're funny as well.

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I can't wait till you're gone.
But no, I mean we really

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started gaming together though. I think
when Friday thirteenth came out, without a

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doubt, hands down, Friday the
thirteenth, the video game is what got

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me to buy a PlayStation four.
Yeah, and what got me one eventually

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too. Well, I mean I
rallied our friends together to buy you a

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PS four because you were always complaining, Well, I've been over here a

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couple of times watching you play.
And then I mean the game blew up.

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I remember when Friday thirteenth was was
every wear for a little bit because

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everybody was playing at YouTubers. People
were talking about on social media and everything,

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and yeah, I felt left out
because I was the kid that had

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a PS three. Still, yeah, well you think you know, you're

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not a good person and that's why
you don't get go my PS three.

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Do you want to tell me how
you got these cars? I got these

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cars? How put your PS three? Davy? I had gotten my PS

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three because in college, which would
have been two thousand and eleven, twenty

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twelve, twenty it was probably twenty
eleven twenty eleven. In December, The

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Crow released on Blu Ray, and
for those who don't know, The Crow

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is one of my all time favorite
movies. Yes, City of Angels is

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what he's referring to. Shut up, I'm just trying to help. But

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it released on Blu Ray and I
did not have a Blu ray Player yet,

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so that was like the big gift
I asked for for my parents for

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for Christmas, and I got a
Blu Ray Pray Player and I got The

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Crow, Lost Boys and Bounox Saints
as my first like three Blu Rays.

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Long story short, I had my
Blue Ray Player. I loved it,

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but then my buddy wanted to get
rid of his PS three, which played

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Blu Rays, so I tested it
out. A couple burns I had that

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would only play on my Blue Ray
Player, and they played in his thing.

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We did a swamp and then that's
how I got my PS three and

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then I immediately went to my workplace
at the time, which was Fye,

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and used my discount to get hit
Man Absolution. So here's my first question.

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Could you repeat for me? What
were those first three Blue Rays?

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The Crow, The Crow, the
Lost Boys, Lost Boys, Boondock Saying,

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Boondock Saints. Literally those three movies
tells us exactly what your high school

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girlfriend looked like. Am I wrong? Like I can't? I mean,

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like like how like how much of
your allowance when you were a kid went

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to spiked bracelets and Junco jeans?
Oh God, I'm just trying to ask

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questions, Okay, but yeah,
I got that PS three, played Hitman

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Absolution, and then uh slowly got
turned on. Do you ever play Lollipop

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Chainsaw? No? But I've heard
people talk about a lot of super fun

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games, super easy and yeah from
there. I think that was when you

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and I started in Devil's Cartel.
We played Red Dead a little of the

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original, the original Red Dead.
I I remember hanging out at the Hanging

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Rock and getting really creepy down hanging
out. Yes, yes, so uh,

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Enrique and I are are are gamers, but we're not big gamers as

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Mike. But we like this concept, and so we decided that as a

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as a special gift to both Birdman
and our listeners, we are going to

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craft a Nightmare and elm street game
in this episode. Going on, craft

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sounds like it's going to be respectful, reasonable, and coherent, which it

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will not be any of those three
things, so uh, but we'll try.

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I mean. The thing is with
with horror video games, we've had

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the shocking amount of success that Friday
the Thirteenth brought, but a lot of

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people forget the genesis of that game. When they were originally planning to kickstarted,

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it wasn't a Friday the thirteenth game. It was just a summer clamp

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slash game. I do remember that. And then they were able to get

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the rights to Friday the thirteenth for
a very affordable price. Some people have

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claimed it was given to them for
free. Wow, I don't buy that.

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I think it was given to them
for a very fair price though,

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but I have no evidence that.
That's just my assumption that Sean Cunningham would

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not give it away for free.
But that game just exploded. And for

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those who don't know anything about gaming, Friday the thirteenth, the game is

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a what's it called. It's a
seven v one or a one v seven,

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But when you look at it,
it's a game where most of the

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characters are fighting against one of the
characters. Yeah, so one person's Jason

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Voor. He's seven people are camp
counselors. And then you have processes you

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need to complete to stop Jason,
or well not really stop Jason, to

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get away scale. You can kill
Jason, but it's super harper hard.

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So with that all being said,
crazy fun game. You get the right

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group of people together to play the
game. You're having a great time,

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Dave, and I is like internet
friend group is from playing Friday the thirteenth.

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I think I brought like half of
them in, but the other half

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I met playing the game, like
well game yeah, because we had I

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mean it got to the point where
we would set up in our schedule legit

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game nights to where we would start
at like six seventeen. We're such nerds.

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Dave would bring his PS four and
I would pull my TV out of

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my bedroom so that he could play
in the dining room while I was playing

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in the living room, so he'd
be in the same room. And I

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always enjoyed when we'd be playing and
people be like, I'm getting an echo

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and your headphones is like, sorry, We're in the same room, and

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then and then and then me going, Dave, don't you pek? Don't

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excuse I'd like I'd be playing Jason, like, don't you peak and tell

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people where I am. No.
It was a lot of fun, and

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I think, honestly, what made
Friday thirteenth such a fun game was the

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gameplay was simple. You had to
either escape, kill Jason, or be

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the last to survive if you get
the cops there. You could also survive

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the night you had to survive,
but in the last five minutes, Jason's

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ability to find you increases tenfold.
Yeah, and I think I think what

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made that as much fun as like
say, Evil Dead in Texas Chainsaw was

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the environments that they had for the
most part were really well sized, so

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you had a good, decent map
that had plenty of weapons for the most

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part. Now pocket knives is a
whole nother story. But you had weapons.

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You had the car battery, the
gas, the fuse and was the

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other one the is that it car
battery, fuse and the flare the flare

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gun. Yeah, flare, And
you had defenses against Jason. You could

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fight Jason, but you wouldn't get
super lucky sometimes and he couldn't fight him

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hand to hand. No, no. And each character also had a special

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ability. So somebody was quicker on
putting the fuse in or the gas in,

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like all this stuff that you slow
walker. Yeah, and somebody could

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run really fast or swing a weapon
really well at Jason, who would have

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like a higher likelihood of hitting Jason
with the weapons successfully stunning him, Yeah,

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would have you know, no technical
skills. So you had to really

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plan your your clan out to make
it interesting and to make it competitive.

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problem is, and I've said this
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world, I often say I usually
go with the the kind of like aggressive

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one where I say, like,
well, you know, as everybody knows,

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if you want lightning, just get
a jar out, put the lightning

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in the bottle. Yeah, just
bottle up and you get lightning whenever you

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want, what you want, whatever
you want it. That's not how it

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works. That's why it's a joke. But with Friday the thirteenth, they

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had this freak success. It was
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hot for two years because they were
also they would do things like you could

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play as Adjason from part two,
part three, Part four, eventually part

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five, and that was the thing. They would add more Jason's. They

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would add more locations. In fact, before the game had to kind of

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be abandoned, they were going to
add a space spaceship. We were gonna

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get on the map. Yeah,
we were hoping for all of these were

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hoping. The big thing we were
hoping for them was we're hoping they were

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going to create new ones. They
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gonna give us all kinds of things. But I digress. So, because

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of that desire to bring about lightning
whenever you want it, yeah, we

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have the Evil Dead game, yes, which didn't even make it a year

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really, it was like a year
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before they were like, well,
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I think there's barely anybody playing it
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we you have Friday at the Thirteenth, which in my opinion, was a

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perfect game for the time that we
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like you said, you had the
people gun media behind it, developing

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it and putting new add ons into
it. You had a large audience of

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players at the time too. And
then yeah, unfortunately there was a huge

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lawsuit that kind of kebash that it
got complicated. Yeah. Yeah with Evil

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Dead, Evil Dead was exciting,
but I think Evil Dead suffered from three

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things. Specifically, one, the
maps were way too freaking big. The

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game is monstrously big, huge,
and it makes it so hard to know

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where you are. It makes it
so hard to know how to fight back

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against the dead heights. And you
even have a map, which is a

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great point to bring up Texas Chansaw
game. You don't have a map in

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that game, so you have to
learn all the basics of it just by

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doing repetitive playing of it. Yeah, which actually makes it unfair because if

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you were actually stuck in the Killer's
house, you wouldn't know where everything is.

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It's kind of the point. I
actually think they should have made it

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randomized to some extent so you could
never memorize it. But they would randomize

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things. On the Friday of the
thirteenth pat too, they would hide the

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car battery would be a different place, Jason Shack would move, so because

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you could get the sweater and where
Jason would start in the game, you

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never knew where he was going to
start in the game. Yeah, welcome

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to prime time. We'll be right
back. Ah, We're back now,

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bitch. But Friday or so Evil
Dead, it just was super hyper complicated.

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being on in my opinion, it's

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just my opinion, but the focus
instead of being on simplicity of gameplay and

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the out and out fun of gameplay, it was all about like hyper detailed.

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Every character looked amazing, every monster
looked amazing and so accurate to screen.

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Every location looked incredible. The big
effects looked insane, the little effects

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looked amazing. But the game itself
wasn't that fun. I don't remember having

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that much fun trying to friggin do
the thing with the book where you're shooting

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the lasers at the that was saying, yeah, so's give it inside an

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Evil Dead game if you haven't played
it, Essentially you have the same setup

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as Friday three teen, except you
have to get the pages of the book

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to go fight the demons that have
basically unleased the Necronomicon. In doing so,

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you have Ash, you have the
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You've got all the characters from the
first Evil Dead I believe, like Cheryl

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and I can't remember who else.
You get Cheryl, you get the guy

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his name's escaping me Y, yeah, yeah. But anyway, so you

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have this what I can only describe
as a Fortnite sized map, and I'm

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saying Fortnite is in the game because
the game area is so big. You

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do have a map, but at
the same time you're also on a time

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limit to get these pages too.
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player that decides to be the Evil
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can create scare zones, some and
demons and all this stuff. But it

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got to a point that with the
developing of the game, that once you

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got to a certain stage of having
that power, you were unstoppable, and

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then it was just it wasn't fun
anymore. Yeah, And honestly, I

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found that being the evil and Evil
Dead was either overpowering yeah or frustrating yeah,

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because you were either trying to find
the people desperately or you were so

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overpowered it didn't really matter. Yeah, And that was the thing that started

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to turn me off. Even with
a good group of friends, Yeah,

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it wasn't nearly as fun. No, But with Friday the thirteenth, it

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was simple mini games to install a
battery into a car, to put gasoline

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into a gas tank, to you
know, wire a fuse, to call

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the police, to survive till the
police. That stuff was really fun.

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Yeah, And that's honestly why I've
got to lean more into Texas Chainsaw.

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I know you haven't played it as
much. I well, it's like I

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almost like I don't get invited.
That ain't on me. Wow, you

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hear this guy? That ain't on
me. We just have really not been

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playing it much, to be honest. Yeah, But no, Texas Chainsaw,

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you have three members of the family, so you've got leather face,

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you've got the cook. You've got
a new character named Sissy, and you

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can also be the hitchhiker, and
then you have four survivors that are either

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in the slaughterhouse, the family house, or the storefront. I want to

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say are the three maps. Don't
quote me on that. I think that's

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them though. But you have the
option of putting the turning off the car

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battery that has an electric fied fence, so you can escape that way.

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You can open the secret entrance in
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You can go out through the storefront, or you can go out through

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the infamous route where Black Beria goes
by in the truck and go out by

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the possum and everything right right right
in doing so with that, you also

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have power ups for certain characters,
Like there's the huge thing with Texas Chainsaw

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is noise, Like if you make
noise, you will be seen on the

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map. And it's kind of the
same thing. I think Friday thirteenth was

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honestly the same way too, or
it was your fear level. Yeah,

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it would depend and it would depend
on the Jason you were as well.

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have not been mind blown by Texas
Chainsaw, although again, yeah, the

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attention to detail and stuff has been
shockingly good. But one of the things

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that blew my mind is they are
three killers. Yeah, so there's actually

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like a lot of killers, but
because of that, they're what we call

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nerve. So like if your leather
face, you're pretty much only good at

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killing. Yeah, you're not good
at finding, you're not good at running,

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you can't squeeze through tight spots.
But if you're the cook, then

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you're good at hearing where they are
to find them. So it's teamwork on

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both sides, which is not what
you experienced the other game. So I

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appreciate that. Yeah, And I
also and the reason we bring up these

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three games not just for the fact
that those are the three that we've all

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played, but that's the kind of
horror game that I personally like now until

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Dawn and like you know, Men
from a Don and The Qurey those are

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also a lot of fun too.
But when it comes to like major horror

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franchises, I don't feel like there's
a lot of games that we have.

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Well, that was kind of what
I was getting to is that when it

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comes to horror games. Yeah,
if they're based on an intellectual property that's

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known, they don't don't tend to
be story games. Yeah, and that's

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a little bit of a bummer.
Yeah. I get why people get frustrated.

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They're like, why is this another
seven v one or whatever. I

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think it's honestly because it's cheaper to
develop. Yeah, and games video games

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are very expensive. Yeah, they
absolutely are to make so well. And

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I think it goes back to the
fact too that if you like go past

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the previous consoles, like the only
two major franchises that I can think about

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getting games would have been The Evil
Dead with all the Evil Dead games they

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had, like Farewell of the King, Fairwell of the King, Ashes to

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Ashes, I want to say,
is one of them? And then like

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Jaws Unleashed. I really cannot think
of any other horror franchises that have big

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games, and I may be missing
some, but none are coming to mind.

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No, it's not been a popular
genre when it comes to horror video

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games. Original ip has ruled the
roost. You've got your Until Dawns,

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You've got your Resident Evils, Silent
Hills, Silent Hill, You've got your

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Sufferings. One of my favorites.
I haven't played by which game I've heard

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it's good though, it's good.
Yeah, and when they're an exercis game

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as well or something, Yeah,
it was a VR game. Was terrified.

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Probably I wouldn't With all of that
said, David, Yes, let's

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develop our very own. Let's do
it. Okay, So this is a

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So what's the game called? Should
we call it? Five Nights at Freddy's?

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I like it it has a certain
house, you know, that'd be

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a Freddie's house and five Nights at
Freddy's. I don't know, Like I

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feel like we could go with the
easiest route of return to Elm Street or

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that's about it. I mean,
well, okay, so first of all,

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let's okay, let's let's develop it
from here. Okay, God,

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this is gonna be a long show. So are we going mass appeal or

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are we going hardcore horror game?
So? I feel like we in regards

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to what Birdman sent us, which
is an amazing detail outline. Don't get

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me wrong, that's it's awesome.
I feel like our sensibility on this.

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I don't know if we can go
that deep with it. I don't know

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if we want to do a seven
v one in a sense, or if

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we want to do a story base
I mean, I think a story based

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is more interesting absolutely personally and I
and also it's more in my wheelhouse.

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I don't want to design a freaking
a game and we'll call Drake, oh

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yeah we should, we should pipe
him in. So no, So like

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I'm open, Dave, if you
can only want it to be a multiplayer

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game, I'm open. I'll roll
with you all yes, and see,

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I'm on that. I'm thinking.
Like where I started my thinking on this

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was it was like, Okay,
what do I love about all three of

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the games we mentioned in regards to
Texas Chains, All Evil Dead and Pride

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thirteenth And the main thing that I
keep coming up with are the shout outs

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and references to the franchise itself.
So like part of me is like,

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do I want to control a miniature
puppet Freddy that can kill people? Yes?

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Kind of? I mean that's a
deep cut. Do I want to

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have a trap set to where the
TV grabs the character and kills them by

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pulling them in? Be kind of
cool to have like an like that,

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But that's a very specific death to
score organic. Yes, that is very

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true. I'm just saying as to
where if it was a story game,

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then it would be a little easier. But of course, if you if

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you were to say, have a
Level B Weston Hills, you could have

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a TV room where there's an activated
kill. But here's the thing. If

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let's say you're playing one of the
teens that's hiding from Freddy. Okay,

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David, would you ever go in
the TV room if you knew that they

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that Freddy could grab you from the
TV and shove your head in their Probably

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not. So you see what I'm
saying, because in like Friday the thirteenth,

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they do have what are called locational
kills or whatever you call but they're

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not They're they're just like, oh, there's a knife on the table,

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picks it up and sticks you,
or four bird bath pitch you with a

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bird bathroom and takes the head off. Yeah, yeah, they're not.

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They're not insane, and they're not
you know, you don't see them out

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and out. As to where if
we had a Freddie shoving kids head into

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the TV set, I just don't
know. I get that. I get

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that, So I mean I guess
the question is is where do we want

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this to fall into the lore.
In regards to I think first let's go

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back to what I said. Are
we going for a wide audience? Are

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we going for a hardcore horror game? Are we going for thirteen and up

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or eighteen and up? Okay,
so you want it to okay, let's

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do it. So, well,
if we're going to do that, then

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I think the title should definitely have
bitch in the name. I'm not being

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funny, I'm I'm I'm just trying
to something like Freddie's Back Bitch, you

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know, Freddie's Back. All right, working title Freddy's Back Bitch. There

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we go, right, We're off, Here we go. I'm just saying,

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because if it's for adults, then
fuck it, let's go. Why

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not, let's do it? Go
all right? So where do we want

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to start the game? I guess
in my in my asking of that is

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a great example until Dawn you have
that amazing opening where you do the slow

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walk up to the house and the
environment happens, and then you've got the

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creature that appears. Spoilers. Yes, well, well so if we want

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to have a prologue. But first
things first, so are we going multiplayer

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or are we going story mode.
Let's do story mode. Okay, so

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you want to develop a story story
mode? Okay, well, I mean

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that's going to be easier for me, yeah, but harder for everybody else

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to listen. So well, when
it comes to Freddy Krueger, I mean,

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the way to start the game would
depend on Okay, so are we

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play Are the people playing the game
playing the kids or are they playing Freddy?

406
00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:56.599
So that's the tough question for me
because I feel like you could do

407
00:26:57.000 --> 00:27:00.680
both, but I don't know what
the proper ways to do both would be

408
00:27:00.720 --> 00:27:06.440
a very complicated de scene exactly,
and I feel like Freddy. I feel

409
00:27:06.440 --> 00:27:10.079
like a Freddie game would get boring
personally. I feel like once you start,

410
00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:11.359
once you just keep killing and whatnot. I feel like that would just

411
00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:15.680
well, yeah, because you're killing
ais. That's why the seven v one

412
00:27:15.759 --> 00:27:22.079
thing works, because you're exactly you're
hunting human the most dangerous game. So

413
00:27:22.960 --> 00:27:29.480
okay, Well it should open that
cold open scene should be Freddy Krueger in

414
00:27:29.599 --> 00:27:33.960
his basement or boiler room, depending
on which canon you follow, and you

415
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:37.880
should be one of the parents that
gets to throw a molotag alive. Oh

416
00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:45.200
my god, yes you are a
parent. I am very apparent, But

417
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:48.960
no, I mean that's how it
should open, because why not just set

418
00:27:48.039 --> 00:27:55.400
up who Freddy is? So do
we want to play as the in playing

419
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:59.079
as the parent? Do we want
to have to go into the burning building

420
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:03.000
to try get him like they do
in the series, or do we want

421
00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:07.079
to just literally take it on that
he's burned in would I would assume it

422
00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:11.200
would start as like a chase game. It would be like the newspapers are

423
00:28:11.240 --> 00:28:14.240
slapping up of like, yeah,
Freddy Krueger caught him whatever, Yeah,

424
00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:18.599
Freddy Krueger released on technicality, And
then it would be you're leading this group

425
00:28:18.640 --> 00:28:22.359
of parents and you're chasing after him, So you're running through corridors, you're

426
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:25.319
running through hallways, and then when
he gets ends up in a dead end,

427
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:30.680
that's when there's that moment where it's
like light the tosh I love it,

428
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:33.640
I love it, I love it. Okay, So Freddy's dead now,

429
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:36.319
so the game no, no,
no, this is before Freddie's dead.

430
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:40.759
Okay, So Freddy's dead, he
curses us and we get the game

431
00:28:40.799 --> 00:28:44.559
credits and then that's where we start. Now, So do we want to

432
00:28:44.599 --> 00:28:49.480
go events immediately after this or one
year later? Well, we wouldn't want

433
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:53.839
to go one year later because nothing
happens one year later except on Freddy's Nightmara.

434
00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:59.279
Yeah. Yeah. But in if
we're gonna kind of stick to the

435
00:28:59.480 --> 00:29:03.759
movie elements some I guess the next
thing would be, you know what,

436
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:07.559
maybe it would be like ten years
later or five years later, okay,

437
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:11.440
and it would be you're still playing
that parent for now. Yeah. Yeh

438
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:15.319
yeah, you're still playing that parent. Because if we're going adult, let's

439
00:29:15.359 --> 00:29:19.839
go adult, let's go do Welcome
to Prime Time. We'll be right back.

440
00:29:25.240 --> 00:29:30.200
A We're back now, bitch,
you're playing you're still playing that parent.

441
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.400
Yeah. So now it says like
you know, the ten years later

442
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:36.839
or whatever, and it shows your
character who's now even older and to sleep

443
00:29:36.880 --> 00:29:40.160
in bed awakes screaming. You have
to go through your door and open it,

444
00:29:40.200 --> 00:29:44.160
and it's your teen son writhing and
like floating in the the air getting

445
00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:47.079
slashed apart by an invisible mania.
I like it. I like it.

446
00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:49.880
So of course, you know,
you try to save him, but it's

447
00:29:49.880 --> 00:29:53.480
one of those it's one of those
elements, you know how like in Call

448
00:29:53.480 --> 00:29:56.359
of Duty and stuff, where there
are missions you can't win. Yeah,

449
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:57.599
yea yeah, it's one of those
so it says like, you know,

450
00:29:57.680 --> 00:30:00.000
grab your son or whatever, and
every time let me try, your hand

451
00:30:00.039 --> 00:30:04.839
gets slashed away or something. And
maybe as as like the kid is dead.

452
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:11.839
You just hear, you just hear. I love it. I love

453
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:17.920
it. And then we could have
an opening credits that could do more like

454
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:25.599
newspapers and microfilm about uh teens dying
in Springwood. And that is where we

455
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:30.240
can establish what the story of ours
is because we've established who Freddie is,

456
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:33.559
We've established what Freddie does, so
now we need to establish where we are

457
00:30:33.599 --> 00:30:37.079
in all of it. I think
Western Hills is a pretty such Western Hills

458
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:42.400
is the perfect location. Yes,
the perfect location, all right, So

459
00:30:42.440 --> 00:30:47.559
Weston Hills is are starting and probably
most location for the game. I would

460
00:30:47.599 --> 00:30:51.000
say probably, I mean, but
I mean because I guess, I guess.

461
00:30:51.000 --> 00:30:53.200
Do we want the gameplay to be
in the nightmare more so than the

462
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:56.920
real world? Well, that's the
question. Yeah, you want to make

463
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.240
it confusing, yes, And I
feel like you're going to have more options

464
00:31:00.240 --> 00:31:03.519
in the nightmare world obviously, because
you know, anything can happen. I

465
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:08.680
don't know if it would be fun
or unbearably frustrating to do to have like

466
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:12.319
a mission, yeah, and then
accomplish it and then wake up and you

467
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:15.119
didn't even do the mission. So
that brings up a good question, though,

468
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:19.319
what do we want to be a
weakness or a power up in that

469
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:23.680
sense for the character entering dream world
where it's almost like I'm thinking, I'm

470
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:27.359
going back to neys here for a
second with the coffee and like the radio

471
00:31:27.480 --> 00:31:30.119
to wake yourself up. Well,
you would have to have a roster of

472
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:33.160
characters to select from, and they
would all have their own dream powers.

473
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:40.039
Yes, And this is where it
gets really because damn it, we're you

474
00:31:40.200 --> 00:31:42.680
realize we're we have to speed it
up a little because we're talking about a

475
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:47.039
game that would take like at least
nine hours to play. Oh yeah,

476
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:49.720
so you have your character characters?
Yes, I would say we'd go with

477
00:31:49.759 --> 00:31:52.920
basic archetypes. So you have like
a jock, you have like a weird

478
00:31:52.960 --> 00:31:56.200
girl, breakfast club, a nerd. Yeah yeah, breakfast club yep.

479
00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:00.400
So we have the breakfast Club.
So I'll be Amelias to as the game,

480
00:32:00.599 --> 00:32:08.720
okay, and I'll be Amelia Estevez
or at home. So so we

481
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:13.680
we got this. So we've got
these characters, and from there it can

482
00:32:13.720 --> 00:32:19.200
be very simple to kind of come
up with their dream powers. Absolute like

483
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:23.359
the nerd, his dream power could
be being charismatic, but hear me out

484
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:29.440
so that sounds stupid, but not
if you think about a dream world.

485
00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:35.039
He's not gonna sweet talk Freddy,
but he could sweet talk the nightmarish characters

486
00:32:35.079 --> 00:32:37.359
in the Nightmares. He might be
able to talk his way out of the

487
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:40.200
dangers because Freddie's not always going to
be there, no, because that would

488
00:32:40.240 --> 00:32:44.240
be exhausting after a bit. Well, and that he's not in the movies

489
00:32:44.319 --> 00:32:46.640
either. A lot of the nightmares
are just nightmares and then Freddie shows up

490
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:52.039
eventually. So the problem is that
as we develop this more, we're just

491
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:58.519
going to become a movie that we're
writing of it. So I guess,

492
00:32:58.599 --> 00:33:01.480
like, if you're one of the
female characters, they would you would probably

493
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:06.000
write in that Freddy's in love with
you or like or like making passes at

494
00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:07.799
you, you know, instead of
just saying like I'm gonna kill you,

495
00:33:07.839 --> 00:33:12.400
he's saying like, you know,
I could use a girl like you by

496
00:33:12.440 --> 00:33:15.799
my side like that. That's like
collector esque from a Demon Knight. Yeah.

497
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:19.400
Yeah, but then if it's a
guy, I don't know, it's

498
00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:22.640
just you know I'm gonna kill you, you know, so I guess,

499
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:25.799
Uh, the question is is what
is our What is our main I mean

500
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:30.880
besides defeating Freddie? Obviously, I
guess what's the main goal that we're working

501
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:34.480
towards. Well, the only objective
has to be to defeat Freddy, but

502
00:33:34.559 --> 00:33:37.039
that doesn't mean that that's what you
tell the audience. Yeah, so at

503
00:33:37.079 --> 00:33:42.319
first the objective should be to get
out of Weston Hills. Absolutely, but

504
00:33:42.400 --> 00:33:45.720
there's only two ways out, well
three three now death. I was waiting

505
00:33:45.720 --> 00:33:51.000
for you to count death. There's
when it comes to Weston Hills, you

506
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:54.279
can either be released by doctors on
your own recognisance or to your parents yep.

507
00:33:55.559 --> 00:34:01.000
Or you can literally break out,
escape or die or die. So

508
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:07.440
I think there should be goals in
the game where your plan is and you

509
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:10.559
know what, why why make it
a pick your character? Maybe it should

510
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:14.719
just rotate. Oh okay, so
you get to see each of their nightmare

511
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:16.719
like how to play along with it
until dawn. That also gives you that

512
00:34:16.800 --> 00:34:24.639
opportunity to that gives it the opportunity
to play multiplayer co op where when it

513
00:34:24.760 --> 00:34:29.880
switches you can have somebody because until
dawn. Now, but we are we

514
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:32.920
I didn't think we were making it
until Dawn game No, which means that

515
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:39.440
we need not movie scenarios that are
somewhat open world. So are we going

516
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:43.360
to have an open world Western Hills? I don't think so. I think

517
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:45.719
we're gonna go with a way out, open, way out style of world,

518
00:34:45.719 --> 00:34:50.079
where it's like you have you have
your setting, but it's the same

519
00:34:50.119 --> 00:34:54.039
thing with oh god, what was
that game called? I can't think of

520
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:57.679
it anyway. You have your setting, but you only have certain things you

521
00:34:57.679 --> 00:35:00.760
can do. So while the area
is open, you can't go through certain

522
00:35:00.800 --> 00:35:04.360
doors, you can't leave certain areas, and there's only certain things your character

523
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:07.000
can grab and use. I think
that's going to be the easiest way to

524
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:09.559
simplify it. So do you think
that keeping the game somewhat story tight is

525
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:13.920
going to be the key to making
it a fun, scary horror experience.

526
00:35:13.920 --> 00:35:16.719
Absolutely? Okay, yeah, absolutely. I think if we go, like

527
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:20.400
you said, too cinematic, it's
going to open up a can of worms

528
00:35:20.400 --> 00:35:23.039
for us. But if we leave
it to a simple play but not super

529
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:27.199
easy, I think that'll be where
we stick it at. Well. So

530
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:31.639
then I would say that it becomes
clear that all of these kids are trying

531
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:37.239
to get out of Weston Hills,
initially by getting released of their own recognisance

532
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:42.079
or with their parents. So these
are all like seventeen year olds, yeah,

533
00:35:42.119 --> 00:35:45.880
who've all been sent here for different
reasons. A lot of this is

534
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:50.159
very Nightmare three. But frankly,
I love Nightmare three. But it's not

535
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:52.480
like they reinvented the wheel by putting
a bunch of teenagers together who all have

536
00:35:52.559 --> 00:35:58.000
basic teenage problems. Yeah, if
we want, you know, if we

537
00:35:58.079 --> 00:36:00.559
want to throw it a bone in
it, we could have one of the

538
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:04.800
doctors be a character you play too. I like that. That way you

539
00:36:04.840 --> 00:36:07.880
have that adult element. Yeah.
But then one thing that's with Nightmare and

540
00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:12.800
elmstream movies that's so valuable is that
adults never believe the kids, But if

541
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.199
you were making choices as the adult, you'd believe the kids. That's true,

542
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:20.760
and I think I think honestly too. Where we can put a big

543
00:36:20.800 --> 00:36:27.599
footing in this is what do we
want the what do we want exactly from

544
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.679
the gameplay to feel like we want
there to be mini games and challenges or

545
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:37.079
do we want it to be more
fighting style? Well, it seems like

546
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:43.639
if I had to really put my
brain to it, it's gonna have to

547
00:36:43.679 --> 00:36:46.760
be more of like a searching clue
game most of the time. I could

548
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:52.760
see that. I can definitely see
that. So what if the beginning of

549
00:36:52.800 --> 00:36:57.440
the game, like the first act, is these kids trying to get out

550
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:01.440
okay by getting a clean bill of
mental health. But Freddie obviously is not

551
00:37:01.480 --> 00:37:05.719
going to let that happen. So
they're gonna have horrible nightmares, They're going

552
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:08.840
to get closer and closer to dying. Maybe maybe they can die. Maybe

553
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:12.360
we could. We'll do like until
Dawn, where you could finish the game

554
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.519
with everybody living, or finish the
game with everybody dying. So frustrating a

555
00:37:15.559 --> 00:37:19.719
fucking level. Oh my god,
Yeah, David, So I got two

556
00:37:19.719 --> 00:37:22.679
out and then hit the light switch
and then they all died. Yeah,

557
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:23.760
did a bad job. Yeah,
I did a bad job, all right,

558
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:27.519
I think. So, I don't
know if if you like that idea

559
00:37:27.599 --> 00:37:30.119
or not. I don't like.
This feels a lot like we're just making

560
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:34.599
you choose your unadventure book. But
at the same point, it's that's kind

561
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:37.360
of the style of a lot of
those games that do work, because I

562
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:39.159
mean, that was the thing we
loved about a way out was the simplification

563
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:42.639
of it made it so that we
could play it in an entire evening.

564
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:46.000
Yeah, I mean, and if
you had like that, you can wander

565
00:37:46.039 --> 00:37:53.239
Weston Hills and there are certain corridors
or whatever that activate other challenges or you

566
00:37:53.280 --> 00:37:55.760
know, like you know, like
you can go to the therapist and try

567
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:59.960
to like talk sweet talk your way
out, try to make them think you're

568
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:02.800
well. But like the big thing
is the first act needs to be these

569
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:06.199
kids need to convince them they're well. Yeah, but then it would be

570
00:38:06.239 --> 00:38:09.119
things like you know, like you
start to once you start to convince your

571
00:38:09.159 --> 00:38:14.239
therapist you're well, like Freddie possesses
you and like it has you like strangle

572
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:15.280
them. Yeah, so that now
all of a sudden, you're like you

573
00:38:15.320 --> 00:38:17.920
wake up and you're in the rubber
room. So you could almost have to

574
00:38:19.119 --> 00:38:22.000
have that point where you have to
fight Freddy and depending on how much he

575
00:38:22.039 --> 00:38:23.840
gets out of you as how well
you do on that evaluation. Act one

576
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:28.199
would be get out by being healthy. Act two would be get out by

577
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:30.960
getting through the doors. And then
when that won't work either, Act three

578
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:37.280
is we have to band together to
kill Freddy. I like it. I

579
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:43.639
like it. I like it two
seconds. No, Dave's typing everybody.

580
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:49.159
I mean, come on, I'm
just trying to I'm just trying to think

581
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:52.519
of of concepts. So no,
And I think I think that's solid because

582
00:38:52.519 --> 00:38:55.360
I think, honestly, the easiest
way for us to tackle this is Weston

583
00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:00.000
Hills and having that be the primary
source. And then the showdown could take

584
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:01.880
place at Freddy's house for all we
know, and in the nightmares, people

585
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:05.840
could go back to their houses,
they could go to Freddie's house. And

586
00:39:05.880 --> 00:39:09.559
I think that one of the big
things is going to be once they realize

587
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:15.719
that they have to kill Freddie,
they should start going to sleep on purpose

588
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:20.679
to investigate the dream world. I
just had an idea to piggyback off that

589
00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:23.920
go on, what if each dream
gives us a cameo from the movies,

590
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:28.800
So like maybe Nancy Thompson comes to
you at one point, maybe Jesse comes

591
00:39:28.800 --> 00:39:31.760
to you at one point. Each
character gets a different cameo character almost not

592
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:37.000
necessarily has to be like that,
but I feel like if you are sent

593
00:39:37.119 --> 00:39:39.559
back to a certain point in a
dream, like whether it's your house or

594
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:43.880
whether this like tragedy happened or whatnot, and you have to either collect something

595
00:39:44.000 --> 00:39:46.159
for the survivor for them to help
you and give you a power up,

596
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:50.199
and then the final is with you
all powered up, then you go face

597
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:53.440
Freddie. I mean that could be
like they could find the news clippings of

598
00:39:53.440 --> 00:39:58.440
like what happened to Jesse's Yeah,
and what happened like survivor journal pages because

599
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:00.760
like until dawn you have the but
you have the totems and everything. Yeah,

600
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:04.719
yeah, So I mean that could
work too. But I think that

601
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:07.280
the big the big spot where you're
gonna have a lot of room to do

602
00:40:07.679 --> 00:40:13.000
interesting things is at the end of
the day going to be in the dream

603
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:15.280
world where you can wander and wander
and wander, but you have to be

604
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:19.639
careful, you know, if you
hear that and stuff like that. It's

605
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:22.360
like go the other way and when
you approach Freddy, you need to be

606
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:28.719
ready to wake up. I like
it. I like it. You could

607
00:40:28.760 --> 00:40:35.320
also do things like these could be
big spectacles when you when the character one

608
00:40:35.360 --> 00:40:37.480
of the characters goes to sleep,
because the other characters need to keep you

609
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:42.360
wake you up when something bad happens. So you could even spend mini games

610
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:46.679
before that getting them caffeated and if
you fail to keep them caffeinated enough,

611
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:50.719
you might not wake up when it's
time to wake up. That's or Freddie

612
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:52.519
might get a hold of it or
something. Yeah. I like this idea

613
00:40:52.639 --> 00:41:00.480
so much. So it's so easy
writing interesting stuff with great eye. Why

614
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:07.280
can't Hollywood do it? Okay,
So the real question is how long do

615
00:41:07.360 --> 00:41:09.320
we want this to be? Do
we want this to be like three acts?

616
00:41:09.519 --> 00:41:14.000
Five acts? What's what's the come? I mean, you know,

617
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:16.440
I'm always a fan of the traditional
three act structure, but this is a

618
00:41:16.519 --> 00:41:21.440
video game that's probably going to spend
eight or nine hours. Yeah, so

619
00:41:22.079 --> 00:41:30.159
if act three is banned together,
I feel like Act four would be figuring

620
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:34.000
out how they can kill him maybe
yeah, well I don't know. That's

621
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:37.119
where act four. I feel like, if we have the band together act

622
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:39.960
where everybody has their has their dreams, they get their special abilities, and

623
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:43.159
then they all decide to band together, yeah, because they realize the only

624
00:41:43.199 --> 00:41:45.440
way out is through Freddie. Fuck. Act four should be trapping the house

625
00:41:46.320 --> 00:41:50.400
or like setting up the house so
that they can mean in the dream world,

626
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:52.320
yes, like in at Freddy's house
essentially, so like when they get

627
00:41:52.320 --> 00:41:55.840
their powers, they all meet at
Freddy's house in the dream and that's kind

628
00:41:55.920 --> 00:41:59.559
of where they decide their plan of
attack, I guess is the best way

629
00:41:59.599 --> 00:42:00.880
to put that. But should they
fight him in the dream world, because

630
00:42:00.880 --> 00:42:04.920
that's moot. If they fight him
in the dream world, can't they bring

631
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:07.679
him into the real world then well, they could totally bring him into the

632
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:09.679
real world, which is the question. So do they flatline in that case?

633
00:42:09.800 --> 00:42:13.840
Do they have like a flat liners
thing where they send one in and

634
00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:15.480
then wait for him to get pulled
back, kind of like in Freddy's Dead.

635
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:17.800
Well they'll have to figure that out
first. They'll have to figure out

636
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:21.719
that that's how you do it.
If that's the ending we want to go

637
00:42:21.760 --> 00:42:22.639
with. This is true, and
if that is the ending we want to

638
00:42:22.679 --> 00:42:27.000
go with, then I think that
we should have when they bring Freddie in,

639
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.000
he should wreak havoc on Weston Hills, running around like a psychopath,

640
00:42:30.119 --> 00:42:36.000
disappearing and slashing doctors and nurses and
and it should just be a complete horror

641
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:38.960
show. Could you be Freddie as
a playable character at that point would be

642
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:43.079
the question. That doesn't seem like
it would make much sense. Hmm.

643
00:42:43.360 --> 00:42:47.280
That'd be fun because playing is Freddie. You, because Freddie's got to be

644
00:42:47.280 --> 00:42:52.639
this monolithic, super hard creature to
beat that you can't beat with skill and

645
00:42:52.679 --> 00:42:58.239
brute force. You have to beat
with thoughtfulness and planning and strategy. No,

646
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:00.639
I agree on that. So I
think if if that's the case,

647
00:43:00.679 --> 00:43:02.840
then we have the figure out Freddie
attack planed for the fourth then I guess

648
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:07.639
the I think Act five and then
an epilogue would probably be a good game.

649
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:12.760
I would say, welcome to prime
time, We'll be right back.

650
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:23.119
We're back now, bitch. Sure, So so I guess Act five would

651
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:30.159
be fighting Freddy fighting Freddy. Yeah, but do we have Freddy? I

652
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:34.320
mean, Freddy has to be a
boss in and of itself, so I

653
00:43:34.320 --> 00:43:37.039
guess beyond a boss, Yeah,
you can beat him and then realize that

654
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:43.199
was a dream. Yeah. I
mean obviously, if we're gonna have a

655
00:43:43.320 --> 00:43:47.840
epilogue, then obviously that's going to
be that you didn't really beat Freddie.

656
00:43:47.920 --> 00:43:53.199
Yeah, that your dreams are still
there. So then it just depends on

657
00:43:53.239 --> 00:43:55.800
how dark you want to go or
if you want there to be multiple endings.

658
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:59.559
But then it goes back to birdmancing, Yeah, about how you play

659
00:43:59.599 --> 00:44:02.400
the game in regards to almost like
Red Dead with your with your loyalty and

660
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:07.679
your it's the rating you have with
the approval of the town. Is that

661
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:12.000
your loyalty, your honor, honor, thank you. I couldn't think of

662
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.880
it. Yeah. Oh, one
thing we should probably mention is that when

663
00:44:14.920 --> 00:44:17.880
they band together, they should probably
steal as much hypnocill as they can possibly

664
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:22.880
find. Yeah, and there should
be a hypno cyll meter for a But

665
00:44:22.920 --> 00:44:24.800
if you take too much something,
you lose health. You still, you

666
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:28.159
stay stuck in dreams, I would
say, because you go into a coma,

667
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:32.679
they have to put pads over your
eyes. All right, So we

668
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:37.760
are at the final We're going to
fight Freddy. So now the question is

669
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:42.920
is how are we going to make
the hits in this game for Freddy?

670
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:46.760
Are we going to physically hit him? Are we going to use dream powers?

671
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:50.360
Well, that's the thing, if
they're going to I mean, but

672
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:52.880
now we're just it's just part one. If he's in Western Hills, what

673
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:55.880
do we booby trap Western Hills to
catch him? That's why I don't know

674
00:44:55.920 --> 00:45:00.360
exactly what would make the most sense. I guess it would have to be

675
00:45:00.639 --> 00:45:06.639
the proper placement for the showdown in
Western Hills. Would it be Western Hills

676
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:09.079
And in Western Hills we would have
to go into the dream world because I

677
00:45:09.119 --> 00:45:12.719
feel like his house has to be
the finals. Well, what I was

678
00:45:12.760 --> 00:45:16.000
gonna say is what if he escapes
Western Hills, all of the staff is

679
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:20.559
dead, he's gone, and they're
like, well, there's only one place

680
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:24.599
he could go. Yeah fourteen eight
elm, there we go. So now

681
00:45:24.599 --> 00:45:29.679
we're at the house Spider, and
that would be the final. That would

682
00:45:29.719 --> 00:45:31.519
be the final, you know.
Yeah, the showdown would be going to

683
00:45:31.559 --> 00:45:35.800
his house, and this is where
you have to gather up everything that you

684
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:37.800
would need to fight him or for
your character, I guess at that point.

685
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:42.320
So the power ups and everything would
be the mini bosses in the house.

686
00:45:42.440 --> 00:45:45.679
Maybe you have to do something with
Kristen's dollhouse from part three or something

687
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:50.159
like stuff like that. Mini game
wise, that's what I probably would imagine

688
00:45:50.239 --> 00:45:53.400
would be a way to build up
your perks. I could be, but

689
00:45:53.480 --> 00:45:57.199
I just don't know how the perks. I don't know how we'll fight him

690
00:45:57.239 --> 00:46:00.559
when he's actually actually there. Yeah, because right now this is really just

691
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:02.039
kind of a mystery solving game.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, where you're

692
00:46:02.079 --> 00:46:07.360
gathering details and information so to go
back to until dawn. You do have

693
00:46:07.480 --> 00:46:10.639
those moments where you do have like
a gun or something to throw or hit

694
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:15.920
at somebody, but it's not often. Yeah, and it's very on a

695
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:19.159
rail. You're not really you're not
really making a choice per se. And

696
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:22.239
that's where I'm not sure we want
to go down that path, yeah,

697
00:46:22.280 --> 00:46:23.840
and make this like a straight narrative
or if you want to try to keep

698
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:27.159
it as much of a game as
you can, Yeah, which is why

699
00:46:27.199 --> 00:46:30.079
I like the idea that, like
there's a lot of exploration, there's things

700
00:46:30.159 --> 00:46:32.239
you can find, things you won't
find. Yeah, but what would they

701
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:38.239
find in Freddie's house to stop him? I feel like it would have to

702
00:46:38.320 --> 00:46:45.800
be his I mean, would it
be his glove? They could find his

703
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:50.239
glove, but that I don't know, because I feel like the glove because

704
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:52.480
that's what I mean. Nancy's mom
pulls it out of the furnace in the

705
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:55.239
first one, of course, and
what's her face sticks him with it at

706
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:59.639
the end of Freddy's Dead and that's
the final notch goes. But yeah,

707
00:46:59.639 --> 00:47:02.079
I don't that glove came from the
dream world. Yeah, yeah, yeah

708
00:47:02.079 --> 00:47:06.760
I did, because I feel like
his sweater just is too harping on Friday

709
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:08.559
thirteenth, the game if we if
we, if we make the sweater,

710
00:47:10.719 --> 00:47:17.000
if you go to freeze freading,
you're wearing his sweater looking good, you

711
00:47:17.079 --> 00:47:24.159
know what, you can go Merry
Christmas to you too. All Right,

712
00:47:24.239 --> 00:47:28.000
So let's say for for the sake
of it, that we find his glove

713
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:31.639
and that once we once we slip
on his glove, or once we have

714
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:36.440
his glove, then we can summon
Freddy or something along those lines. I

715
00:47:36.440 --> 00:47:39.159
guess that's the key is how do
how do we want to make it so

716
00:47:39.239 --> 00:47:44.119
that he is the final presence?
And that's exactly what we're discussing right now.

717
00:47:44.239 --> 00:47:45.920
Shit. I mean, it could
be you have to kill him with

718
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:50.559
his glove. That could be.
That could that could work. If it's

719
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:52.719
just that you have to like put
it on and then you have to freaking

720
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:55.599
stick him with it. Yeah,
Or maybe you have to get direct hits

721
00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:59.280
on him or a single like a
certain amount of them. I would say

722
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:01.679
probably. I mean I imagine he
would be pretty hard to stab. Yeah,

723
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:05.960
because I think at that because like
now I'm going back to Evil Dead

724
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:07.679
gameplay, where it's like when you
face off against the Dead Heights. At

725
00:48:07.679 --> 00:48:10.760
the end, it's all of you
who have survived so far, and you

726
00:48:10.800 --> 00:48:15.239
can either be possessed. But the
main thing is is that you have to

727
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:19.039
focus on the dead Heights by blasting
this laser onto them that drops their power

728
00:48:19.039 --> 00:48:22.000
down, and then defend an ecronomicon
from being opened. Okay, so what

729
00:48:22.159 --> 00:48:27.760
if Okay, here's something we haven't
tapped into. Where's Amanda Krueger's ghost in

730
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:34.320
all this? Oh, Freddy's mom
sister. I forget the name she wister,

731
00:48:36.880 --> 00:48:39.280
It doesn't matter. She's Amanda Krueger. Uh? What if she's an

732
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:45.320
apparition that occurs throughout Weston Hills.
This really is just becoming a Nightmare three

733
00:48:45.360 --> 00:48:50.800
the video game now, But it's
got such a good build to it from

734
00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:52.800
that, it's one of the best
ones of the series. It has the

735
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:58.440
most characters, the most action,
the most special effects. So what if

736
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:00.760
what it comes down to Mary Helen? Yeah, Mary Helen? I think

737
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:08.920
what if it comes down to we
don't know what she wants, but she

738
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:14.360
keeps giving us like cryptic information.
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, I

739
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:16.920
like that. And the big moment
is we think we're supposed to kill Freddie

740
00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:21.679
with the glove okay, but what
we have to do is give the glove

741
00:49:21.719 --> 00:49:28.079
to Amanda. Okay, because Amanda
Krueger takes the glove and it somehow gives

742
00:49:28.119 --> 00:49:34.000
her power over the evil entity or
something. And because you never fight Freddy

743
00:49:35.360 --> 00:49:38.559
Jason, yeah you really don't.
Don't fight Freddie. That's just not how

744
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:43.599
the game is played. So what
if instead, yeah, you hand it

745
00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:49.559
off to Amanda Krueger and she captures
his his evil essence and takes him to

746
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:52.880
hell. I like it. I
like it because I think I think what

747
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:58.360
the best point that we can have
for the game is, Like Mike said,

748
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:00.719
you can have multiple endings, but
I think I think if we have

749
00:50:00.840 --> 00:50:05.199
a big twist like that, that
makes the game kind of a new story

750
00:50:05.239 --> 00:50:07.599
element in the lore. I know, I'll keep leaning on the microphone.

751
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:09.880
I don't know what I'm doing.
It's okay, you're drunk. David is

752
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:13.719
drunk. For those wondering, I
have not drunk. Oh, now you're

753
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:16.400
gonna claim sobriety for all this office
craft you're saying. But no, I

754
00:50:16.400 --> 00:50:21.000
think that's gonna be a good point
for the final battle to ensue, which

755
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:22.760
I think would probably at this point
be a cutscene because I think we've done

756
00:50:23.000 --> 00:50:28.280
the battle stuff unless we join with
Amanda or use Amanda to defeat him.

757
00:50:28.679 --> 00:50:32.159
Okay, So I guess that's the
question is trying to think of like video

758
00:50:32.199 --> 00:50:37.400
gameplay and how this specifically would work. The hard part, because I'm thinking

759
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:39.559
back to a lot of boss battles
and for the most part, it's just

760
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:43.679
shoot it as hard as you can
and quick. No it is. That's

761
00:50:43.679 --> 00:50:45.880
why I think that it really needs
to be more solving a mystery, yeah,

762
00:50:45.920 --> 00:50:49.440
and figuring out what you need to
do and how to do it.

763
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:52.119
I think that's how you're really gonna
pull it together. I mean, we

764
00:50:52.119 --> 00:50:55.159
could break him down by tackling each
dream god that's inside him because they're three.

765
00:50:57.480 --> 00:51:01.159
I mean yeah, but then that
involves respect part six, and no

766
00:51:01.199 --> 00:51:10.360
one wants to do that. You
know. It's a bridge not unaccepted.

767
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:19.280
So I mean one of the things
you could be looking for is a nursery

768
00:51:19.360 --> 00:51:22.880
rhyme that you have to piece together
how to kill Freddy, yeah, which

769
00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:24.280
is reminiscent of Part four, but
it won't be the same one. It

770
00:51:24.320 --> 00:51:30.440
won't be about the mirror. Yeah. No, that's very true, because

771
00:51:30.480 --> 00:51:35.679
I think to a big part should
be that Freddy is everywhere, even though

772
00:51:35.760 --> 00:51:38.960
you only have direct contact with him
a few times. Right, Well,

773
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:43.440
I mean I think he'll he'll,
you know, leave his personal mark on

774
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:46.159
you in your in your nightmares.
And and if we're playing this like a

775
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:50.519
slasher game, then there should really
only be one character left by the time

776
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:54.039
we get to the house. Maybe
it's just that which character is the only

777
00:51:54.079 --> 00:52:00.119
one left is what varies. It's
not necessarily that you can make every but

778
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:01.639
he survived, it all will come
down to one person. Yeah, And

779
00:52:01.679 --> 00:52:07.559
I think it goes along to with
your not directly quoting the honor thing from

780
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:10.800
Red Dead. But I think it's
a matter of what secrets you find,

781
00:52:12.519 --> 00:52:15.719
how well you do on the challenges, because I think the idea of having

782
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:19.639
it to where each boss battle you
can beat them a certain way, but

783
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:22.039
it depends on how much damage you
take in regards to both your character's stability

784
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:25.679
mentally and physically, I think is
a cool concept too. Okay, I

785
00:52:25.719 --> 00:52:29.360
mean, yeah, I'm gonna be
honest, the fight mechanics are hard for

786
00:52:29.360 --> 00:52:30.840
me to come up with. No, I get it, I get it,

787
00:52:30.880 --> 00:52:32.079
And I think that's why we kind
of steered away from them with this

788
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:35.719
because I feel like it's just too
easy to be like, Okay, we'll

789
00:52:35.719 --> 00:52:37.760
go hit Freddy, we'll go hit
him again, we'll go hit the third

790
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:43.119
time hit him. But no,
I like the idea of having Amanda get

791
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:45.519
involved, even though yeah, it
is directly for three. But like we

792
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:47.119
said, three is the best law, So all right, it has the

793
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:51.079
most law totally. I mean,
I'm not just I'm not trying to crap

794
00:52:51.119 --> 00:52:53.320
on three. It has the most
law as well as good lore. So

795
00:52:53.840 --> 00:52:57.800
all right, let's say that we've
beaten it. What is our ending now?

796
00:52:58.360 --> 00:53:01.039
Well, the epilogue would be,
do we want to go full part

797
00:53:01.079 --> 00:53:04.840
one and have all their friends come
back? I think that'd be cool,

798
00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:07.679
Like you want all their friends back? I think it'd be cool to have

799
00:53:07.960 --> 00:53:10.320
to have that. But I don't
know if I want that to be them

800
00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:15.199
actually back in the real world,
or if it's just them saying it's it's

801
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:20.159
got to be a nightmare yeah because
it's Freddy, yeah, and he doesn't

802
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:28.599
die. Yeah. So maybe the
end would be like maybe we go we

803
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:30.880
go slumber pretty massacre two on it, and it's like my you know,

804
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:35.880
my friends are back, and you
know we're gonna be okay. And it's

805
00:53:35.920 --> 00:53:39.599
like they're all like ready to go
do whatever kids do. And then and

806
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:44.639
then it's just like all of a
sudden, you know, a claw person

807
00:53:44.679 --> 00:53:46.360
out of someone's chest. And then
they just wake up and they're in like

808
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:52.119
this filthy rubber room in Weston Hills. Their eyelids are cut off and they're

809
00:53:52.159 --> 00:53:57.119
just screaming and screaming and screaming.
Oh man. And then yeah, then

810
00:53:57.159 --> 00:54:00.119
we can actually see what happened in
the real world of Weston. Yeah,

811
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:04.199
in reality, you just went crazy. Oh that's it, that's it.

812
00:54:04.360 --> 00:54:07.199
So okay, so we beat we
beat Amanda. Okay, so you're here.

813
00:54:07.239 --> 00:54:09.280
It is so Amanda helps us beat
Freddy. We wait up. We

814
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:14.239
we have our friends reunited, and
then we wake up in the padded room

815
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:19.719
and we're hearing narration of our diagnosis, like this is patient such and such

816
00:54:19.760 --> 00:54:22.639
claims this, this and this,
and then they just go get Pani.

817
00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:29.440
Yeah murder after she murdered her two
best friends with a with a series of

818
00:54:29.519 --> 00:54:30.719
razors. We never found the razors. I don't know how the hell she

819
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:34.480
got them in, you know,
So you want it to be like it's

820
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:37.880
completely pinned on you. I like
I like that Honestly, it's dark and

821
00:54:37.599 --> 00:54:42.360
it's it's fucked up. But I
like that, hey, because that's truly

822
00:54:42.440 --> 00:54:45.320
terrifying. And to be honest,
I really wouldn't feel ripped off playing that

823
00:54:45.360 --> 00:54:45.840
game if it was just like,
oh, yeah, no, you can't

824
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:49.880
beat Freddy. Nobody beats Freddy.
Well, nobody beats Freddy. That's that's

825
00:54:49.960 --> 00:54:52.079
yeah, but we have we have
to have a good time trying. Absolutely.

826
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:55.199
That's all the Freddy Krueger movies.
I mean, I love Part four,

827
00:54:55.239 --> 00:54:58.679
but Part four is literally, oh, point a mirror at him,

828
00:54:58.719 --> 00:55:04.519
come on, like, but then
Part three is like deeply Catholic for some

829
00:55:04.719 --> 00:55:07.639
reason, which I love, but
is also like complete left field. And

830
00:55:07.679 --> 00:55:12.920
let's not forget holy water. Well
that's in part three. No, no,

831
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:16.880
no, David, they literally give
him a traditional Catholic burial, Yes,

832
00:55:16.960 --> 00:55:22.079
yes they do, and then flaming
dog piss brings him back. Goddamn

833
00:55:22.159 --> 00:55:24.840
right, goddamn right, all right. So I think that I think that

834
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:30.800
is that is our Freddie game,
bird man. I hope that answers your

835
00:55:30.880 --> 00:55:35.400
question. With a fifty four minute
episode that was just fifty four minutes a

836
00:55:35.719 --> 00:55:40.920
mole shit about Freddy Krueger. That's
that's two of the biggest Krueger Nerds ever.

837
00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:44.320
Just going at it because we're not
kidding guys. If you want to

838
00:55:44.360 --> 00:55:47.480
write in, if you want us
to talk about something or cover something before

839
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:52.639
the show wraps up, which only
has three or four weeks, yeah,

840
00:55:52.760 --> 00:55:54.519
right in, now is the time, because I mean Birdman wrote in and

841
00:55:54.599 --> 00:55:59.519
we did a whole last episode just
on his email. And I like the

842
00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:02.199
fact that they're presenting new stuff to
us because I do want to read another

843
00:56:02.239 --> 00:56:05.559
email that we got. Yeah,
yeah, please try to find this.

844
00:56:06.119 --> 00:56:07.480
Oh my gosh, could you find
it? Oh? Tim Smith? Okay

845
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:09.920
Smith? So Tim Smith sent us
a great email as well. He said,

846
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:13.039
love the podcast. I listened to
it every week. I'd love to

847
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:15.400
see it evolve after the shows are
all reviewed into some other Freddie podcasts.

848
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:19.880
Some ideas below. Number one review
of all the comics. If you do

849
00:56:19.920 --> 00:56:22.480
it in an episode per issue,
you can get up to about twenty to

850
00:56:22.519 --> 00:56:24.719
twenty five more episodes. They're available
to read for free on The Nightmare and

851
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:29.760
elm Street Film's website. Huh.
I have not read many of the comics,

852
00:56:29.760 --> 00:56:31.800
but I will say the couple that
I have, they're really dark.

853
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:35.920
Oh well, good yeah, because
apparently we want the video getting to be

854
00:56:36.000 --> 00:56:39.639
nothing but dead children, so two
review the movies themselves. So this is

855
00:56:39.679 --> 00:56:43.519
something I think we actually talked about
last week. Maybe it was on air

856
00:56:43.599 --> 00:56:45.679
or maybe it was off I can't
remember, but Enrique and I have no

857
00:56:45.800 --> 00:56:50.119
problem reviewing the movies, but we
would probably just do it as a ranking

858
00:56:50.159 --> 00:56:52.840
episode, which very well could be
coming soon. Well. I mean nothing

859
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:59.199
against talking about the movies, but
they've been done, dissected and reviewed and

860
00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:04.760
interview and documented to death. And
what we're about here is doing the stuff

861
00:57:04.760 --> 00:57:07.920
that nobody's doing. Yeah, we
want to talk about Freddie's Nightmares and the

862
00:57:07.960 --> 00:57:13.320
Freddie Nis series and that's the stuff
we want. Yeah, you know Freddie's

863
00:57:13.320 --> 00:57:16.400
greatest hits, the Freddie's one nine
hundred line. Yeah, that's what I

864
00:57:16.440 --> 00:57:20.440
am here for. Yeah. So
I don't hate the idea of talking about

865
00:57:20.440 --> 00:57:23.239
the movies, but the movies get
all the love in the world, and

866
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:29.239
rightfully. So yeah, we're here
for the Freddie's stuff that was intentionally forgotten

867
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:31.840
by pop culture, which is a
great pivot to three review of the books.

868
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:35.679
These are harder to come by,
but there's the movie adaptations, which

869
00:57:35.679 --> 00:57:38.800
I do own one through five contain
different story threads and adapt the original script

870
00:57:38.800 --> 00:57:43.360
of Part three. There was Freddie's
Seven Sweet Dreams, a book series that

871
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:45.599
continued off each other called Tales of
Terror, than about four or five books

872
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:49.800
around that time. I do know
for a fact that a friend of mine

873
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:52.280
who lives in my town does have
at least three of the books that I

874
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:57.000
don't have. That's pretty cool show
we do have access to those, if

875
00:57:57.000 --> 00:58:00.960
that is something we want to look
into. But sitting and dissecting a book

876
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:04.960
a lot of efforts, yeah,
for us to find I'm not against it

877
00:58:05.199 --> 00:58:07.360
again. I think I think what
you and I had discussed previously is I

878
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:12.320
think we could do the novel adaptations
that I think those would be if they

879
00:58:12.320 --> 00:58:15.840
bring something different, that's going to
be more exciting. Plus those are the

880
00:58:15.079 --> 00:58:17.880
Part one through three is a book
that's only one hundred and ninety five pages

881
00:58:17.880 --> 00:58:22.960
long, so each movie is like
seventy five pages. Five is a little

882
00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:27.760
longer. But then there's that one
I have that's Freddie's Sweet Dreams. That

883
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:30.920
is Sweetest Dreams, which is three
stories, each written by a different author

884
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:35.199
in Freddy's universe. That's what I've
been very curious that one I am curious

885
00:58:35.199 --> 00:58:37.039
about too, and then four he
said the comic series of Innovation is considered

886
00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:40.400
canon. According to the writer and
editor of the comic, The writer Andy

887
00:58:40.440 --> 00:58:45.440
Mangles used relatively easy to get a
hold of his for an interview. Possibly

888
00:58:45.920 --> 00:58:50.039
I've talked to him before over email, and Bob Beta Max recently has been

889
00:58:50.039 --> 00:58:52.239
in contact with him and acquired never
before seen footage of the funeral Freddy's Dead.

890
00:58:52.519 --> 00:58:54.880
I'd hate to see it end,
but hopefully you can use some ideas

891
00:58:54.880 --> 00:58:59.000
above to help extend it and get
a minimum monthly level release. Sorry for

892
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:01.719
the rambling, Tim Smith. Tim, we greatly appreciate the email, and

893
00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:07.559
absolutely we will kick a round some
of these, but yeah, it's difficult

894
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:12.920
to dissect certain things that either we
cannot share with you guys, whether it's

895
00:59:12.960 --> 00:59:16.039
the audio stuff or just it's been
touched on so much. So we are

896
00:59:16.079 --> 00:59:20.280
definitely gonna look over these and just
keep an eye on the episodes. We

897
00:59:20.320 --> 00:59:22.920
may or may not be covering one
more of these, and sincerely, we

898
00:59:22.960 --> 00:59:28.000
do hope you'll join us on our
next podcasting adventure, because when this show

899
00:59:28.079 --> 00:59:32.400
does wind down, we'll be covering
movies, yeah, and television as a

900
00:59:32.440 --> 00:59:36.760
whole. Yeah, in a very
different way and to this nerdiness level that

901
00:59:36.800 --> 00:59:39.800
we have grown to become. And
we won't be afraid to come back to

902
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:43.519
Freddy Krueger every now and then.
So we do hope you'll join us on

903
00:59:43.519 --> 00:59:46.599
the next show, which we will
be unveiling the Tuesday before American Thanksgiving.

904
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:50.559
Yes, so you'll don't worry.
You guys won't be able to not know

905
00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:52.760
about it. Wait, you won't
shut us up about it, that's for

906
00:59:52.800 --> 00:59:54.679
sure. And we'll post it here. We'll put the first episode on this

907
00:59:54.760 --> 00:59:59.199
feed so you'll be able to find
it. Yeah. So I think that

908
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:02.880
is I think that's our video game. I think that's this episode. I

909
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:07.679
mean, you know, it was
a fun like we basically like if we

910
01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:09.880
add a few more makeout scenes.
That was basically fanfas well. They want

911
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:15.280
to We just pulled together. So
anything else you want to say? Double

912
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:17.960
date? Just one more shout out
to this week and geeks. As Enrique

913
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:22.639
said, we've both been on the
show recently. I'm gonna be popping up

914
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:24.960
on there a couple more times as
we get into December, I believe as

915
01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:29.559
well. But he's got great content
on there all the time. Multiple shows

916
01:00:29.559 --> 01:00:31.079
on there. Loose Cannon is the
one that you and I have been on

917
01:00:31.480 --> 01:00:35.679
talking about the movies and everything,
but definitely check out this week in Geek.

918
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:37.519
Birdman once again cannot thank you enough
for the email. I know you

919
01:00:37.559 --> 01:00:42.079
pitched it to me when we recorded
that one day, and I'm super excited

920
01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:44.280
that you sent the email in and
that we got to do this. Yeah,

921
01:00:44.320 --> 01:00:46.679
we love you, brother. So
I guess on that note that is

922
01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:51.800
it's time to get out of here. So thank you guys for tuning in

923
01:00:51.800 --> 01:00:54.599
to Welcome to primetime of Freddy's Nightmares
podcast. If you want to email us,

924
01:00:54.679 --> 01:00:59.519
reach out and cut someone, just
send us an email at Freddy's Nightmares

925
01:00:59.679 --> 01:01:04.320
pop at gmail dot com or go
to Freddie's Nightmares dot com for all of

926
01:01:04.360 --> 01:01:08.039
the information you could possibly need about
the program. We sure do appreciate you

927
01:01:08.119 --> 01:01:10.840
listening and writing in, and again, like I said, if you have

928
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:13.880
something you want us to talk about, you never know. We might just

929
01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:16.400
waste an hour of our life,
let us know, inventing a video game

930
01:01:16.840 --> 01:01:22.159
for only our imagination. But we'll
see you back here next Tuesday with another

931
01:01:22.199 --> 01:01:25.440
episode. Until then, don't sleep, don't sleep