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All right, we are back kind
of in spring would we're Springwood adjacent?

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Absolutely, because we have a very
special guest on this week's Welcome to Pride

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Time of Freddie's Nightmares podcast. We
do, indeed, and Dave, would

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you like to do the honor?
I would absolutely love to do the honors.

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So this gentleman is a author,
film historian, educator, and he

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wrote one of the only books that
I can find so far on Freddie's Nightmares,

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entitled Welcome to elm Street Inside the
Film and Television Nightmares. Please Welcome

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to the show, Wayne Byrne.
Wayne, thanks for visiting Springwood with us.

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Thanks for having me, guys,
I'm really excited to be here.

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Big fan of Freddy's Nightmares, as
you probably got her from the book.

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Absolutely yeah. And before I get
into that, I've got to throw out

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a special thanks to Jason and the
Dads and the Crypt crew. They were

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the ones that actually hooked us up
with you because we had released East our

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first episode on No More Mister Nice
Guy, and Jason messaged me and he

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was like, hey, I love
the show. You should look into Wayne

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Burton. He's a big fan of
the show. And then sure enough you

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and me started messaging a little bit
and we've been trying to get you on

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here for a little bit and now
here we go. Thanks Jason, Jason

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Zakoga. I've been on a couple
of times at him and always a fun,

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fun time. Yeah. Absolutely.
So before we begin, introduce yourself

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a little bit to our listeners,
you know, tell us a little bit

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about some of the work you've done
in regards to your past books and just

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let us know who you are.
Sure. So, yeah, I'm a

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writer from Ireland, County Kildare.
In fact, I started writing God,

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I must have been about ten years
ago, and you know I worked on

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my first book for five years.
Took that long because I didn't have a

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publisher. I didn't know what I
was doing. I never wrote a book,

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didn't know how to write a book. I just knew I wanted one

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particular book, and that was a
book under director Tom Dachillo. He was

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my favorite film director. And you
know, I got turned down from every

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college in Ireland, you know,
as regards to wanting to study film or

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literature. So I said, fuck
this, you know it's okay the curse.

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Yeah, yeah, Freddy will join
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getting turned down from everywhere kind of
inspired me to just go ahead and try

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and write that first book in the
first place. So I contacted Tom to

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Chillo. I had previously corresponded with
him, and I said to him,

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listen, you know, I just
really want to write a book in your

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career. If it's the only book
I ever do, I'll probably be happy

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with that. So he said,
you know, come on over to New

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York. If you can get over
to New York, we'll spend a week

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together. We'll spend each day on
one of my movies. At that point,

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he had seven movies. So I
did that. I came back with

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the bones of a book, and
I eventually he introduced me to Steve Bushemy,

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who not only gave me an interview, but he wrote my forward.

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So all of a sudden we were
like, oh, maybe we should interview

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everybody else. So Tom introduced me
to all the actors from his movies,

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which are some really great actors.
I wrote that book, and I went

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to a publisher who I really really
envisioned and this book coming out. I

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always thought, if a book on
Tom to Chillo ever comes out, it's

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with this publisher, which is Columbia
University Press have a sub publisher called Walfare

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who have a great series of books
called Director's Cuts, and each one is

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a real deep dive into whatever director
they're talking about. So I thought,

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wow, I'd love a Director's Cuts
edition of Tom de Chillo. So I

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had no idea what I was doing. As I say, no agents knew,

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knew, no editors, hadn't got
a clue what I was doing.

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So I just sent off the manuscript
foolishly enough actually to a random like office

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at email at Columbia, and I
was just like, you know, can

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you please get this to the film
editor at Director's Cuts, you know,

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thinking that that was going to end
up in a junk folder or completely deleted

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straight away. And to my great
surprise, three weeks later, I got

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a call saying, we love the
book. We think Tom Dachillo is an

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amazing artist who is definitely worthy to
be part of the series. So they

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offered me a contract, and my
mind was blown. I didn't know what

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the hell to be thinking. So
that book came out then in two eighteen,

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I think it was or near nineteen, and that book led to my

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next book, which was you know, I thought I want to keep doing

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this writing thing. I really enjoyed
that, you know, I enjoyed getting

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out there and in the press and
all that kind of thing. So it's

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kind of infectious. So I went, I thought, well, okay,

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there's my favorite director done. How
about I do my favorite actor, who

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was Bert Reynolds. So I,
you know, conferred with some publishers and

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I found a publisher for that,
and it's just been rolling ever since,

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literally NonStop, since that Tom the
chillibook came out. Wow, I haven't

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I don't think there's been a day
where I haven't you been working on a

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book, or I haven't been under
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So along came Welcome to Elm Street, which was the fourth one in that

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that line of books. And I'm
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ninth books. I'm under contract for
them, and I have two more in

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development, so basically juggling five books
at the moment. So it's been non

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stuff sounds like it. So what
made you decide you wanted to go from

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uh, you know, from Burt
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just I would love to know what
what made you decide you wanted to take

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on the night Barre and Elm Street
universe. Yeah, well, I've been

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kind of looking and that I'm working
my way through all my favorite things,

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all my favorite subjects as regards film
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as well, But up to this
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the all the movies that inspired me, or all the movies that meant something

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to me growing up and what influenced
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You know. As I said,
I've been turned away from colleges all

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my life, so I kind of
had to study film myself and pursue any

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kind of academic interests on my own. Bat So, ELM Street was probably

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one of the first, if not
the first horror film I ever rented.

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I was Part three, so he
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you know. And I remember I
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in VHS over here, and I
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Part four. Were very close together
in terms of the VHS release of three

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and the theatrical release of Part four. And around the same time four came

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out, Freddy's Nightmares started to appear
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Freddy Mania when I was about five
or six, and I had very lenient

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parents in terms of renting videos that
were not exactly suitable for a five or

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six year old, you know,
so they never really looked at Nightmare down

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Street. Yeah, I think my
dad looked at Freddy Krueger as kind of

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the modern equivalent of Frankensteiner, drafted
from his era, so you get that

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killed the child. It was just
another you know, movie boogeyman. So

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I don't think he looked too much
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It was just, you know,
he was happy that I was happy to

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be busy watching movies, I think. So he used to always help me

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rent out my videos when when I
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And you know, but yeah,
so it was part three, Part

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four. Freddy's Nightmares all came out
around the same time, and I was

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I used to I would call like
Freddy's Nightmares the equivalent of my Saturday morning

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cartoons because they used to be they
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half eleven slash midnight, and then
so of course I wouldn't be up that

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late, so I'd get my dad
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I'd watched them the next morning,
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put on Freddy's Nightmares from the night
before. So that's how I really

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got into Freddy's Nightmares. And over
the years, of course, I'm sure

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you guys know that it's been very
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Freddy's Nightmares, especially in the DVD
age. I mean, back then we

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had a couple of rental releases here
where I think there was two episodes per

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tape and there was eight tapes,
so break it down, sixteen episodes and

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apart from those, you know,
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you were lost for Freddy's Nightmares for
years. We got we got a sampler

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DVD that came out back in god
the early two thousands, and it was

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quickly deleted because it didn't sell enough
copies, so Warner Brothers took it off

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the shelves, jeez, And that
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it. So it's been hard to
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the years. And I've you know, even when I've talked to some Freddy

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elm Street fans, not everybody knows
what Freddie's Nightmares as, which is kind

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of a surprise, but then again
not too surprising when you consider it's been

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unavailable. So yeah, I mean
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idea of doing a book on Elm
Street or horror something you know, really

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meant something to me growing up by
Cleve Elm Street. But strangely enough,

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it was actually the initial idea for
the book was an entire book solely on

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Freddie's Nightmares, and I presented that
to my publisher and my commissioning editor wisely

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enough, said nice idea, I'm
not sure it will sell, so she

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suggested, you know, making it
part of a greater overall book on Elm

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Street, which it is. And
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a book on Freddy's Nightmares or the
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know, I love the whole thing. With the exception of the remake.

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Of course, we kind of feel
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So I was the lad. As
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the biggest chapter I think in there
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because that was the genesis of this
book. It was me wanting to write

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about as many episodes as I could. I think I got about I specifically

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discussed about seven or eight episodes in
there, and I tracked down some of

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the actors and directors and writers.
I could have written about as many as

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all the episodes if I was allowed
to, But you know, you have

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a word count that you have two
adherence to, and if you're writing about

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all the other movies and other things
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you kind of have to go,
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at twenty thousand words. You know, it's place for all the other movies.

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So I was just happy to be
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Freddie's Nightmares, because I've never written
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and in depth about the teams and
the making of it. You know,

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it's kind of glossed over a little
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which was five minute clip, five
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disappointed, as like, finally,
when you see the little title card come

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up halfway through the movie, it's
like, yes, a bit on Freddie's

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Nightmares. Then it's gone within five
or six minutes. Yeah, but you

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know, apart from you guys,
I don't know anybody else talking about this

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series and such you know depth,
And I'm delighted because you guys even touch

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upon certain teams. And I think
this is one of the the saddest things

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about it is that even when a
lot of people do see it finally it's

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kind of laughed at. It's kind
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I think one of the great things
about it, one of the things

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that inspired me a to enjoy it
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about it, is there's so much
going on in Freddie's Nightmares, which there's

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always there's always something going on tramatically
and subtextually in the films. But I've

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found what's great about Freddie's Nightmares is
it's a world builder. It takes you

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into the greater Springwood area, if
you will, and the greater population,

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and we explore more of what the
town is like, and what the town's

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folk are like and how Freddie affected
them. And obviously there's a trauma which

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Freddie is kind of representative of,
but it has touched the parents and the

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kids, and for as an Elm
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love. I love, without wanting
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kind of an intellectual exploration of teams. And I think that's one of the

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great things about horror cinema is it
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gets written off. You might say
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or it works as just a piece
of entertainment, and that's fine.

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But great horror cinema can really offer
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teams. And I think they're all
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look for them. You know,
some of the guys I've interviewed with might

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laugh and say, man, that
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painting sets. But you know,
you go with your teams or whatever.

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But you know, when you talk
to writers, the guys that actually come

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up with these stories and ideas,
they're the ones who sometimes will tell you

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yep, you know, that was
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was a team that we just expanded
upon. But I mean, that's the

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good thing about writing these books.
As I do, I kind of I

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have free reign to explore, you
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bit too far fetched. I don't
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was always there to go a little
even further because he's wonderful. He's one

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of those guys who for whom the
teams are so important, and that's how

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he connects his character and how he
builds his character is he's able to He

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met me on that level when I
talked. When I brought up about certain

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teams in the series or in the
movies, Robert would agree and go further.

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He'd take me as far as he
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know, the kind of the intelligence
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how that kind of manifested throughout the
rest of the series and end the TV

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show. So you know, when
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who kind of meets you on that
level and you know, inspires further discussion

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of those teams, it's just a
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everybody, But then again, I
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and just did great work. They're
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things. But that's why you try
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Certain actors and cinematographers I find are
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now two books on cinematographers, and
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they're the technical side of things,
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to tell a story with their images. So most often cinematographers are wonderful people

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to speak to about the ideas and
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as you've seen in the book,
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said he was all about the teams
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intellectual discussions he had with Wes Craven. But obviously, once you're on set,

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the discussions are just about how are
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we published the first episode of this
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show entirely was because neither both of
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them, yeah, because out in
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like a discount department store. Where
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and there was just a rack of
new, old stock. This would have

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been two thousand and three, two
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Freddy's nightmares. So I bought one
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took them home and I watched them, and you know, I was like,

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promo with the witch. That was
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on a tape I had of Freddy
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see more of that, and it
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ready access to it, which it's
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know what Warner Brothers is planning with
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something. But when we were deciding
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of it, that was the next
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gonna watch all of them. I
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it? Because because no one's talking
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no one seems to care about.
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going to actually be so deeply interesting, yeah, that it would we would

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struggle to keep the shows to an
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first episode published, I got an
email from a guy named James Cappy who

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wrote, what was that? The
End of the World, The End of

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the World, the End of the
Tunnel. He wrote those episodes and they're

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they're excellent. End of the World's
one of my favorites, just because they

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they were like, you know what
this what this show needs, thermal nuclear

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war and Freddy Krueger I love it
so well. So James Cappy wrote me

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this wonderful email and basically said,
like, when I think of Freddie's nightmares,

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I think of the beginning of my
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who led to me working in television
my whole life, and working and writing

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my whole life, and all this
stuff. And that's something that's easy to

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forget too, is like shows like
that with a low budget, which you

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know very clearly had, there were
a lot of opportunities given to the people

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who were working on the show,
and not just James Cappy, but Gil

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Adler, Al Katz, and there's
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do a ton of other things,
and for many of them, this was

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their first chance because there was no
to new Line and to Laura Mar thank

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you, and to new Line in
Laura Mar it was just like, yeah,

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we just want to cash the checks, please, So they were like,

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don't go over budget, don't talk
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that's damn near what the deal was. So they were like, okay,

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So they got to make anything they
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rule was they couldn't use Freddie very
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they couldn't over expose him. So
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I expected, based on the way
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expected it to be mostly not very
good at all. Yeah, and I

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found that there have been no episodes
I out and out disliked. And we're

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we're halfway through season two, so
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is when the show is over,
when we finally have covered all of the

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content, it'll just exist as a
place where you can see you can hear

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a breakdown of every episode of Freddie's
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just kind of celebrate the fact that
for me growing up, I was the

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biggest fred Head in the world.
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television show or yeah, forty four
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really like I got to have more
Freddy as a thirty some year old

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man. It's just it's just been
a gift that keeps on giving, absolutely,

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and I totally agree. It's such
a treasure trove that you guys have

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there, you know, for fans
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there's so little out there, and
it's such a shame that at least we

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can keep our interests there, you
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and it's a wonderful thing. And
I just feel it's such an underrated show

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that, you know, I don't
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would have taught you know, cash
Cow here, you know, elm Street,

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Freddy Krueger, whatever, you know. And I've spoken to several friends

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of mine have worked on the show, and in some cases they were they

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were high up in the corporate structure
of it, and they're they're baffled as

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to why it's not out either.
But you know, again they look back

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on it as a great stepping stone
to their career. It was, you

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know, very good for emerging horror
writers and horror directors and juicers. So

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it offered free rain, you know, these guys, even though it was

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it was a low budget, it
was just you know, a good director

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was able to come in and leave
his mark. And that's my good friend

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Bill Freylick. You know, he
said he wanted really distinctive directors, you

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know, to come in and kind
of bring their style, do what they

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want, you know, as long
as they can remain within budget and on

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time, go do your thing.
And you can see that across the series.

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When you get to certain directors like
Tom McLaughlin or Bill Malone, they

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have a very distinctive mcgarritt's very distinctive
style, you know. And that's such

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such a great thing for television because, as you know yourself and your most

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TV shows adhere to a certain formula
or aesthetic format where it doesn't matter what

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director is behind the camera, it's
always going to be whatever the producers came

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up with in the first place.
Yeah, consistency is king, Yeah,

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exactly. Yeah. So that's one
of the things I love about Freddie's Nightmares

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is that it's you can just watch
all these emerging film voices coming true and

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kind of planting the seeds for their
their style and going on to good careers.

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So yeah, I think it's so
rich, and it's one of the

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reasons I wanted to write about it. There's some interesting filmmakers in their interesting

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actors and everybody, everybody I spoke
to was so happy to be able to

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do so, because it's not as
if they look back on it, you

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know, sometimes there might be some
mild embarrassment, especially like you know,

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when I'm talking to Mick Garris,
you know, and he was like,

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oh god, and I think of
killer Instinct, you know, Decapita,

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decapitating Lori Petty. He was fun, but that episode is just but he

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looks back with mild embarrassment. Let's
just say about that episode. He considers

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that the the kind of lowest mark
of his career. But he was happy

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to talk to me about it,
So that was great. Yeah, And

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I mean, and when it came
to writing the book, was what was

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the point where you had interviews where
you were just realized that you really had

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something special from the stories you were
telling, Because I mean you got everybody

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in here, Wayne from I mean
you've got Andre Ellison, You've got mc

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garris, you've got Chuck Russell,
you've got William Malone. I mean who

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who all was the catalyst for where
you've realized you had some much special.

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I think the obvious one would probably
be Robert England. I mean to get

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Roberts you know you're on to some
kind of a winner. I guess he

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gives it a sense of utarity if
you will, sure, But I mean

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to get everybody like, as you
say, Chuck Rooks, Chuck Russell and

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mc garrison, Tom McLaughlin, William
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I mean, these are all people
apart from their work in Elm Street,

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there are people whose careers I admire
anyway outside of Elm Street. They've

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gone all gone onto two great things. And I was kind of lucky enough

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that over over my career leading up
to Elm Street, I had kind of

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built up enough good contacts and friends
who if I needed to reach somebody,

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it was easy enough. I knew
there was always somebody who knew somebody you

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know. And my good friend Nick
McLean, the cinematographer who I did a

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book with as well. He's he's
like in Hollywood nucleus. He knows or

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has worked with everybody you know.
So, but also my good friend Amanda

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Kramer, he's my best friend and
co author and some music books. She

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happened to know Bobby Lesser through the
journalist Annie Bardock, and so I was

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able to get to Bobby Lesser,
and Bobby Lesser was fantastic, and then

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he introduced me to Lisa got Leave, the director. Yea, So connections

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kind of worked like that, you
know. It was I'd mentioned to somebody

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I'm doing ELM Street book and they're
like, oh, I know so and

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so, and they go, are
we getting And it just leads on and

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on. So it's wonderful like that. And Robert, you know, there's

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a bit more of a formality in
getting to him because you go through I

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think his wife Nancy kind of organizes
a lot of his media stuff. Yeah,

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well, you know, you go
to her and tell her what I'm

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doing. This is the idea of
a Blahon you know, then it comes

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back, Robert's going to call you
on this day, So you're like,

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Robert's going to call me. So
you can imagine how surreal it is when

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you're sitting by the phone waiting for
Roberts to ring. Yeah, yeah,

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it will be something. Yeah.
So Robert was cool. We Robert loves

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to talk, and that's he's an
interviewer's dream, you know. So we

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spoke about elm Street, TV and
film for you know, a few hours,

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but I'd say we spoke just as
long about Ireland, his love of

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Dublin and coming here in certain restaurants, study loves, and about his film

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career. And because I did the
book on Burt Reynolds, he's actually in

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one of Bert's early movies and he's
the first and perhaps the only guy who

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has ever killed Burt Reynolds on screen. So he and so he asked me

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for a copy of my book.
So that again surreal, sending and ting

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book to Robert England. You know. So that was fun. But but

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everybody I was, I was so
lucky. I made great friends on that

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book, you know, Andre Ellingson, Bobby Lesser, Mick Strawn who did

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my forward, Nick Benson, you
know, some just some lovely people.

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Tuesday night was very nice. It
was strange. I didn't pursue too many

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of the actors because I came up
against this weird thing where some of the

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actors wanted to kind of charge you
for interviews, which is something I never

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saw before, you know, and
maybe it's the whole convention thing which has

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monetized every action that, you know, it's just not attaining you do in

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journalism or in this world where you
pay for interviews and usually you're it's in

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your contracts that you don't pay for
interviews. It's just something you don't do

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ethically speaking. So yeah, I
didn't pursue too many people like that.

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You know, I'm generally more interested
in the people who conceive these films anyway,

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because my whole thing, as I
said before, is it's the teams,

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it's the ideas, it's the concepts, and usually those can be found

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in the writers and directors. And
then someone like Robert who is so emotionally

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and intellectually invested in the character and
the movies absolutely well. I wanted to

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mention because one of our best experiences
doing this podcast was after we interviewed James

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Cappy. He wrote this another very
nice email and he was like, hey,

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had a really great time talking with
you guys. So I'm going to

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give you an email address that I
would never give unless I trusted someone.

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And it was to Jeff Freylick,
Yeah, the showrunner of season one,

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and and we emailed him and he
ended up doing We talked to him for

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over two hours. Yeah, and
the first forty or fifty minutes was just

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his careers before Freddie's, because he'd
worked for Roger Corman and he had done

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all these things. But when the
interview was over and I was editing it,

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and I'm betting you had the six
you've had, You've probably had this

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experience a ton with books, and
it's so addictive. I could totally see

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why somebody would want to be a
journalist, going after the things they like.

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I was editing the interview and realizing
this information is nowhere else but this

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interview, Like, and that's especially
crazy with something about Nightmare on Elm Street,

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It's like, come on, they've
been documentary to death, it's been

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podcasting to death. But no,
no, no, there's always more.

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Yeah, And it was so thrilling
so I bet I can only imagine after

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talking, for you know, hours
upon hours with Robert England, hours upon

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hours with all the people who've worked
on those movies, you probably had like

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that filingure got like, oh man, this is doing like if I would

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want to read this exactly. I
mean, that's one of the great things

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about doing these books is for me, it's it's not just an expiration of

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your team, of your subject.
It's you're celebrating these people whose work gave

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me, have given me a life
and a career, you know. I

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mean I grew up I was film
upset, yo, I wasn't into sports,

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I hated school, I had no
interest outside of movies. So like,

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I credit these people with like giving
me some direction in life and now

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00:26:30.359 --> 00:26:33.680
a career as well. So it's
a it's a it's a it's a thing

407
00:26:33.759 --> 00:26:37.359
to kind of be able to honor
them in some way and celebrate their career.

408
00:26:38.039 --> 00:26:41.240
And you know, I try and
get in things like that when when

409
00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:45.400
I'm interviewing these people, I try
and give a bit of background context as

410
00:26:45.400 --> 00:26:49.319
to their career and what they've achieved
for and since whatever I'm talking about in

411
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:53.440
particular, So for me, it's
kind of it's been a way of giving

412
00:26:53.440 --> 00:26:57.839
back, and I mean it's been
incredible. I was over in Malibu and

413
00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:02.559
Beverly Hills recently. I was invited
over by some good friends of mine.

414
00:27:02.640 --> 00:27:04.640
Again, people have met on books
over the years, they seem to all

415
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:07.440
kind of reside around, you know, this kind of area. So they

416
00:27:07.480 --> 00:27:10.200
said, come on over, you
know, it'd be great time. And

417
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:15.039
I went over and my good friend
Nick McLean arranged a party at his house

418
00:27:15.119 --> 00:27:19.160
on the Sunday in my honor,
and it was incredible. He invited people

419
00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:22.519
that I knew were coming, that
I knew before from the books, but

420
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:26.039
he also invited other people from the
industry, which who I admired that I

421
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:32.359
didn't even know were So I'm sitting
there in his house and every two feet

422
00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:37.160
I walk, I bump into somebody
whose work has been something meaningful to me

423
00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:38.960
or have been a big fan of
theirs, and I just it was just

424
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:44.599
it was so surreal that like thirty
or thirty five years ago, I was

425
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:48.519
sitting in my living room absorbing all
these people's work, and here I am

426
00:27:48.599 --> 00:27:52.799
there talking to me and getting me
to sign books for them. It was

427
00:27:52.880 --> 00:27:57.319
just an incredible circle of influence,
and I guess it made me realize this

428
00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:00.240
is why I do what I do. Know, it's It's the best thing

429
00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:04.160
about writing these books is always the
people you meet, you know, because

430
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:07.720
at the end of the day,
the books can kind of come and go.

431
00:28:07.559 --> 00:28:11.880
They'll seller, they don't sell,
but Jesus, in some instances you've

432
00:28:11.880 --> 00:28:15.720
made friends for life. It's amazing. Yeah. And you never know when

433
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:18.960
you're making a friend for life either. That's the best part true. Every

434
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:22.519
friendship starts with one conversation, so
you have no clue where that where the

435
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.000
future conversations will go. And and
I really identify with what you said there

436
00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:30.839
because I make my living producing and
directing. And I feel the exact same

437
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.880
way. In fact, I said
to Dave after that that the Frelick interview,

438
00:28:34.279 --> 00:28:37.680
I said, this is the best
contribution I have ever made to fandom

439
00:28:40.359 --> 00:28:42.519
because I'm because I don't get to
do that as much, you know,

440
00:28:42.640 --> 00:28:45.960
I And that's what I wanted to
do too. I felt the same way.

441
00:28:45.000 --> 00:28:48.440
I feel like my life is a
gift from the people who did the

442
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.920
things that I love. Yeah,
And so I really dig that very much.

443
00:28:53.359 --> 00:28:56.640
I mean, when I was over
there and nixt that day for the

444
00:28:56.680 --> 00:29:00.880
party. Bill Fralick, the producer
from I Thinking. He did season two

445
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:07.279
title, He wrote and directed a
lot of stuff as well. He's one

446
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:10.559
of the nicest people I've ever met, and he gave me He's a big,

447
00:29:10.599 --> 00:29:15.160
tall man and I'm not very top
five, ten whatever, but he

448
00:29:15.240 --> 00:29:18.839
gave me the best bear hook several
times. Just you know, we had

449
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:22.640
a few moments of connection like that
and I just thought, what am I

450
00:29:22.640 --> 00:29:26.759
doing here? How did I get
here? You know, you're doing something

451
00:29:26.839 --> 00:29:30.319
right. If you're having a lot
of surreal moments, that means you're doing

452
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:33.920
something right. I'm happy for you. That's awesome, thank you and thank

453
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:36.599
you. Yeah, but it's I
mean, this is the best thing about

454
00:29:36.599 --> 00:29:38.000
doing these books. And you know
what I love doing as well is doing

455
00:29:38.039 --> 00:29:42.160
these kind of interviews because I know
not everybody likes doing, you know,

456
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.559
talking about their worker promo kind of
stuff. But to me, the work

457
00:29:45.640 --> 00:29:48.960
is done, the load has been
taken off your shoulders, so now you're

458
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:52.880
just celebrating what you've done and looking
back at it. So that's why,

459
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:55.799
you know, I love doing these
kind of things and chatting to like minded

460
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:59.640
folks like yourself, and that makes
me want to mention, welcome to Elm

461
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:06.039
Street. Get your copy wherever you
buy your books, God damn it,

462
00:30:06.240 --> 00:30:10.759
support them an Amazon twice, which
I'm quite proud of. That's bitching.

463
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:14.640
No, grab yourself a copy.
If you listen to the show, what

464
00:30:14.920 --> 00:30:17.279
the only thing you should be waiting
on is your next paycheck to buy the

465
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:21.839
book. You're clearly going to like
it. If you're listening to us talk

466
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:26.200
smack about Freddy's Nightmares and Random Nightmare
on Elm Street Ephemera, then this book

467
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:30.039
is absolutely for you. Well,
and like I was showing you, we've

468
00:30:30.079 --> 00:30:33.720
got the book right here on the
table. There's pictures that you've gotten from

469
00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:37.519
people's public or private collections, like
I know William alone had some, and

470
00:30:37.559 --> 00:30:41.960
I mean you've got some really cool
production stills in there. Thank you man.

471
00:30:42.039 --> 00:30:45.240
Yeah, That's one thing I really
strive for when I'm doing each book

472
00:30:45.319 --> 00:30:48.319
is I ask everybody you know if
they can dig deep into the dark life,

473
00:30:48.359 --> 00:30:52.599
because I think it gives an element
of exclusivity to your project if you

474
00:30:52.640 --> 00:30:56.519
can get stuff that's not already on
Google Images or in magazines or you know,

475
00:30:56.599 --> 00:31:00.920
the licensing outlets, you know,
because it's more interesting if you're a

476
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:03.640
fan, and if it's something you've
never seen before. So I always ask

477
00:31:03.759 --> 00:31:06.359
people, and you know, it
can be hard sometimes because this is your

478
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:10.880
pre cell phone, where unless people
had to wear with all to be carrying

479
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:15.960
around the Polaroid camera with them,
they don't often have visual mementos of their

480
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:18.799
time on sets again unless there was
like an official photographer on set. So

481
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:22.519
luckily enough, especially the people on
Elm Street, they documented it quite a

482
00:31:22.559 --> 00:31:26.160
bit. Yeah, you know,
maybe they were aware that they were making

483
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:30.359
something special and you know it was
worth documenting. And someone like Roy Wagner,

484
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.680
who gave me those great the storyboards. Yeah, you know, Roy

485
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:37.960
is who I'm working on a book
as well at the moment. He is

486
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:41.480
his own film historian in many ways, he documents so much so his that

487
00:31:41.599 --> 00:31:45.359
guy had like terror bytes to give
me. You know, he still does,

488
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:48.960
so he sent me all kinds of
stuff. I love Roy. He's

489
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:52.960
such a good friend and he just
you know, he put the quote on

490
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.920
the back of the book, which
blew my mind as well. And to

491
00:31:56.000 --> 00:32:00.160
get that kind of feedback from Roy
was just like, holy shit, here's

492
00:32:00.160 --> 00:32:04.880
that's coming from a man who was
there and for him to say that blew

493
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:07.400
my mind. But yeah, I
always ask for the rarities if possible.

494
00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:10.400
Dave has the book Why don't you
read the quote? Dave Quote says,

495
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:14.359
Wow, this is one of the
best pieces of writing on filmmaking that I've

496
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:16.880
ever read. Wayne really got the
essence of being on that set during the

497
00:32:16.920 --> 00:32:21.839
time. I'm astonished at his accuracy. It was a very complicated shoot with

498
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:24.680
a great deal of emotion. Wayne
presents an honest representation of what occurred.

499
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:29.559
Very impressive. Yeah, that is
I could see why you'd be thrilled.

500
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:32.400
That is wonderful. Yeah. So, and here we are fast forward a

501
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:37.599
few years later and I'm working with
Royce. Yeah. So I'd like to

502
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:42.480
put you on the spot. Do
you have a top five? Freddy Stein

503
00:32:42.519 --> 00:32:45.400
Mary's episodes? Obviously these are not
These are based on your mood, what

504
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:49.480
you had for dinner. You know, they're all going to affect what your

505
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:51.960
top five are. But I would
just love to hear your top five.

506
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:54.599
Okay, it might be affected after
a quick glass of wine when I got

507
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:59.559
into some work, but anyway,
okay, let's go. I know,

508
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:01.440
straight off the top of my head, the End of the World. I

509
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:07.759
love something about the absurdity of that
team. As you mentioned that. You

510
00:33:07.759 --> 00:33:09.960
know, there's that great, great
quote from the guy who played James Bond,

511
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:14.200
who's in the film, he plays
the doctor, and he says,

512
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:17.039
you know, we all have problems
these days. The tread of nuclear all

513
00:33:17.079 --> 00:33:23.079
that that's so random in a predy's
nightmares, but nuclear annihilation he puts it.

514
00:33:24.400 --> 00:33:27.720
I love the light at the end
of the tunnel, especially the first

515
00:33:27.759 --> 00:33:30.680
half with Dick Miller. Yeah,
going down with the alligator. Yeah,

516
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:37.279
God, I love that. I
do love Killer Instinct. Despite what mcgarris

517
00:33:37.400 --> 00:33:40.319
thinks. I think it's the fantastic
episode. And again it was one of

518
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:44.640
the ones that I saw early and
I had recorded on VHS, so I

519
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:49.640
watched it a lot. Another one
that I did the same with was Lucky

520
00:33:49.960 --> 00:33:53.240
Stiff, which the couple to go
on the game shows, and oh my

521
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:55.960
god, I will never forget.
And for all those years where I couldn't

522
00:33:55.960 --> 00:34:00.240
access Freddy's nightmares, this moment still
haunted me, which is where two bits

523
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:05.000
actually where they're on the game show
and they look down and there's ants crawling

524
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:07.200
in a hole in their hands.
Oh, Judie Miller, come on down.

525
00:34:07.359 --> 00:34:10.599
Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that
was ju Miller. Yeah, that

526
00:34:10.679 --> 00:34:13.760
was it. Yeah, and then
it was it Lucky Stiff where the guy

527
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:15.639
was you know, he had his
heart out in his hand coffin. Yeah,

528
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:21.559
yeah, that's the one Christ That's
okay. But I would say my

529
00:34:21.679 --> 00:34:29.960
all time favorite Freddy's Nightmares episode is
Oh, jeez, so you told me

530
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:34.000
you loved Silence is Golden on the
on the post we did? I love

531
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.519
that as well, and maybe maybe
no more mister Knights. Oh, it's

532
00:34:37.519 --> 00:34:43.280
a miserable life. I think it's
a miserable life. It's probably yeah,

533
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:46.440
well, yeah, Silence is Golden
is wonderful. There's something terrifically. I

534
00:34:46.559 --> 00:34:51.000
know all episodes of Freddy's Nightmares are
surreal, but there's something particularly surreal about

535
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:55.320
that one with the mime, and
it goes outside. There's a lot of

536
00:34:55.400 --> 00:34:59.280
exterior work. I always love when
they go outside because it gives you some

537
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:04.639
kind of MPs of Springwood. But
obviously the thing is they're shooting in sunny

538
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:08.440
Los Angeles and not midwestern Ohio.
So I think in Silence is Golden,

539
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:12.400
I think they even shoot down in
Venice Beach at one stage. I think

540
00:35:12.400 --> 00:35:14.360
you're right, Yeah, when they
when they have the first attraction of the

541
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:16.880
mine exactly. Yeah, so it's
it's it's kind of uncanny, you know,

542
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:22.440
it's not Ohio, but we especially
now yeah, because we were there.

543
00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:29.800
That was actually you're so you're in
freddie Land, you're exactly. Yeah.

544
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:32.559
When we were watching I think it
was black Tickets, they mentioned they

545
00:35:32.559 --> 00:35:36.880
were driving on eighty yeah, and
I was like, okay, that means

546
00:35:37.039 --> 00:35:40.800
Springwood has to be in northern Ohio, like I was trying to guess where

547
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:45.719
they were saying it was. Yeah. So yeah, So I think those

548
00:35:45.719 --> 00:35:49.480
are kind of my favorites. And
of course A Heartbreak Hotels another one.

549
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:53.639
Yeah, that was a wild one. Yeah, great, some great kind

550
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:59.280
of concepts in there, But I
think the ones that have some kind of

551
00:36:00.960 --> 00:36:02.960
you know, more of the deep
team to them, I always finds the

552
00:36:02.960 --> 00:36:07.480
most interesting. And I think the
likes of It's a Miserable Life is very

553
00:36:07.519 --> 00:36:10.639
resonant, you know. I think
that's you know, the series as a

554
00:36:10.679 --> 00:36:15.599
whole is just not given enough credit
for suching upon the teams, which maybe

555
00:36:15.639 --> 00:36:19.119
the first one does get credit from
from time to sign. Yeah, so

556
00:36:19.159 --> 00:36:21.639
it's I think those are my favorites. Yeah, but I love them all.

557
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:24.280
I mean, Jesus I could.
I could put on Freddy's Nightmares any

558
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:27.679
day of the week and not get
bored. Van That's saying a lot.

559
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:30.599
After you write a book on a
subject, you tend to, you know,

560
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:32.519
stay away for a while out of
this because he's You've lived with it

561
00:36:32.599 --> 00:36:37.679
for a year. So No,
Freday's Nightmares is like comfort food to me.

562
00:36:37.719 --> 00:36:38.480
You know, you just stick it
on, even in the background if

563
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:42.800
you're not paying attention, just to
know what's on. It's just a nice

564
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:45.519
feeling. Well. I just love
the one thing that Hendrick and I have

565
00:36:45.559 --> 00:36:51.599
discussed verbatim every episode is just the
world that spring Would has been created with

566
00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:54.400
these episodes. The further you get
into it and everything it has, from

567
00:36:54.440 --> 00:37:04.320
a full sized hockey ring to a
insane asylum to an underground clear bonk exactly.

568
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:07.119
No, Older's the best of place. Yeah, No, I absolutely

569
00:37:07.239 --> 00:37:09.440
love it. And that's that's as
I say, as part of the what

570
00:37:09.480 --> 00:37:13.679
I love about it is just expands
the world because in the movies, obviously

571
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:16.280
we're kind of limited to the to
Elm Street, I guess, and maybe

572
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:22.480
to the Weston Hills Hospital or whatever. But I just love there's something about

573
00:37:22.519 --> 00:37:27.320
the way it's shot as well,
which in any other TV show at a

574
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:30.159
period you look back in it and
it just looks cheap. It's it's the

575
00:37:30.239 --> 00:37:32.119
kind of soap opera look, you
know. And I know they brought in

576
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:38.480
the cinematographer from Falcon Crest, so
that probably explains things. But I do

577
00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:46.840
there's a certain surreal quality from the
low grade VHS cinema cinematographic style, and

578
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:52.159
I think it adds to the to
the nature of that. You know,

579
00:37:52.199 --> 00:37:55.239
it's not Christine. The colors are
very vivid, you know. I was

580
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:58.440
joking at mix stron about this.
I was saying, like, how much

581
00:37:58.440 --> 00:38:02.280
fucking pink and blue paint did you
use for those interiors? You know?

582
00:38:04.119 --> 00:38:07.880
So my god, And it's just
there's something cartoonish, but there's also something

583
00:38:07.960 --> 00:38:12.360
surreal and uncanny about it, and
I think that the way it's shot adds

584
00:38:12.400 --> 00:38:15.480
to that. I think if it
was in perfect HD digital sixteen by nine

585
00:38:15.559 --> 00:38:20.360
ratio, it wouldn't be the same, you know. So I guess maybe

586
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:22.320
it's nostalgic for me. It's it's
what I grew up with, and I

587
00:38:22.360 --> 00:38:27.159
think when you tape them off the
TV and you watched them over time kind

588
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.199
of degrades a bit as well,
even further, you know, so like

589
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:34.320
my VHS tapes have definitely got there
like multiple generation, I think at this

590
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:37.840
stage you know, by the quality
of them. But there's something just about

591
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:42.760
and the music I love. I
interviewed Nicholas Pike, who, again he

592
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:45.920
was fascinated that somebody wanted to talk
about his Freddy's Nightmares music because it was

593
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:50.159
again something early for him. But
he was fascinating because I always loved his

594
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:53.440
music. And again he was able
to film me in on all these kind

595
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:58.360
of background ideas on what he brought
to bout the sound and the aesthetic and

596
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:04.039
the compositions. And like Jesus,
this is brilliant because who who thinks of

597
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:06.840
this? Like, you know,
someone might watch an episode of Freddy's Nightmares

598
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.360
and maybe not think of the music
that much. But here's Nicholas Pike,

599
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:15.119
who went on to really big things, and he's telling you about his classical

600
00:39:15.159 --> 00:39:20.760
influences and then how he introduced elements
of heavy metal to get a certain steel

601
00:39:21.079 --> 00:39:23.480
sounds, you know, for the
horror element, and it's just it's fascinating.

602
00:39:23.559 --> 00:39:27.599
Just I knew I would never have
taught about these things myself. But

603
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:30.519
here's the guy who wrote them,
giving me the skinny on everything that went

604
00:39:30.559 --> 00:39:34.519
down. And I think, honestly, one of the things I loved about

605
00:39:34.519 --> 00:39:37.400
your book, especially with the interviews, was that everybody kept saying the same

606
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:39.199
thing. That was, like,
you know, we weren't a team as

607
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:42.880
much as we were a family,
Like we went in and had fun with

608
00:39:42.920 --> 00:39:45.880
the show. We created the show
with throwing ideas at each other and then

609
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:49.960
retaining in the budget. Like that
was a lot of what I took away

610
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.000
from those interviews. Oh yeah,
definitely, Yea, and some of those

611
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.800
guys of you know, they're still
best friends today. You know they met

612
00:39:54.800 --> 00:40:00.119
on those those shows or those movies, and you know, it was I

613
00:40:00.119 --> 00:40:02.519
mean, if you look at Nightmare
Dame Street Tree, which was probably the

614
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:07.920
hardest chapter I've ever had to write
in terms of balancing all the voices because

615
00:40:07.920 --> 00:40:14.639
there was so many and in some
cases they weren't always friendly. Let's just

616
00:40:14.639 --> 00:40:15.719
say, because when they were making
the movie, there was a bit of

617
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:21.679
a bit of a rub between you
know, the seasoned veterans who were working

618
00:40:21.719 --> 00:40:24.239
on the movie, you know,
the old union guys who were used to

619
00:40:24.239 --> 00:40:27.800
working on big movies, and then
you had the non union guys, the

620
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:30.199
younger production people, the younger crew, and it was a bit of a

621
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:34.519
clashchare And of course I think everybody
probably clashed with Chuck Russell at some stage

622
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:38.119
because yeah, that's what I too. Yeah you want you watch the Never

623
00:40:38.159 --> 00:40:42.440
Sleep Agin documentary you kind of pick
up on that was a hell of a

624
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:45.920
lot of pressure. Yeah, absolutely, And you know, I found Chuck

625
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:49.119
Russell be very fascinating. I actually
got on very well with them, and

626
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:52.000
I wanted to be fair to everybody. It wasn't I didn't want the book

627
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:54.760
to be a kind of a gossipy, you know, bitch fests kind of

628
00:40:54.800 --> 00:40:58.000
thing, you know, And it's
fine people can kind of you know.

629
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:02.159
I gave people their platform to air
their opinions and air whatever grievances went on

630
00:41:02.320 --> 00:41:07.039
during the making of it. But
I gave everybody their peace to say,

631
00:41:07.079 --> 00:41:09.920
and I tried to balance it out, you know. I even for that

632
00:41:10.039 --> 00:41:15.559
chapter my good friend David mc gifford, who's a producer and assistant director on

633
00:41:15.719 --> 00:41:17.960
Jesus, some of the biggest movies
the last forty years, fifty years,

634
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:22.719
actually I conferred with him because I
helped him on his book with some stuff,

635
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:24.840
and I said, can you just
please as a as somebody who has

636
00:41:24.880 --> 00:41:30.880
worked on everything from independent movies to
the biggest movies you can think of,

637
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:32.480
like he was. He was the
assistant day on Back to the Future who

638
00:41:32.480 --> 00:41:37.639
framed Ouder Rabbit right up through you
name it. So if anybody knows what

639
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:43.079
it goes, what it's like on
a set, David will So he said,

640
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:46.000
you know, after I made a
couple of fixes, he said,

641
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:49.119
you got it perfect. You know, you got the tone right. You're

642
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:52.719
fair to everybody, and that I
was happy with that because that's the main

643
00:41:52.760 --> 00:41:55.159
thing I wanted. I wanted it
to be fair to everybody I interviewed,

644
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:59.880
and I didn't want it to be
one sided in anyway. So I hope

645
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:01.719
it comes across that way. So
David said it was, so I took

646
00:42:01.760 --> 00:42:05.360
his word for it absolutely. I
mean, I know that you're a fan

647
00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:07.320
of Bordello Blood as well, and
I don't know if you've ever seen the

648
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:13.239
bonus features on the Shout Factory disc
but the making of documentary is kind of

649
00:42:13.239 --> 00:42:15.679
exactly what you just described, of
people just going at each other and blaming

650
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:20.840
one another exactly. Yeah, and
it's it's you know, as a fan,

651
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:22.239
I didn't want to do that to
them, you know. But also

652
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:27.320
as a as an objective historian,
even though I'm not sure how objective I

653
00:42:27.320 --> 00:42:30.800
can be because I'm such a fan
of the franchise, but just as a

654
00:42:30.880 --> 00:42:35.599
historian, you know, stepping back
and kind of removing myself from the kind

655
00:42:35.599 --> 00:42:37.480
of the fan part of it and
just thinking, well, you know,

656
00:42:37.519 --> 00:42:42.239
these are these are people and their
artists and their creatives. It's not up

657
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:44.760
to me to kind of bash them
in the book, you know. So

658
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:49.960
they all gave their their speak and
their experiences, and you know, I

659
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:53.119
think they're it worked out well.
And actually some of them have gotten friendly

660
00:42:53.199 --> 00:42:57.360
since then since the book, because
you know, we spoke together sometimes on

661
00:42:57.360 --> 00:42:59.880
the zoom or whatever. And it's
great to see because you know, they

662
00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:01.280
had spoken in years, and now
because of the book, they're back,

663
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:05.559
They're reconnected. So that was really
cool. They get to think about it

664
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:08.159
and process it better. I mean, I think that's literally what happened with

665
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:15.119
al Katz and Giladler podcast. So
it brought them back together, and that's

666
00:43:15.159 --> 00:43:17.840
a phenomenal thing to happen. Absolutely. Yeah, Well, you know,

667
00:43:17.880 --> 00:43:22.000
thirty five years later, whatever it
is, I guess it's it's probably easier

668
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:25.960
to kind of look back and reconsider, oh yeah, a relationship whatever.

669
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:30.280
But yeah, things were tense on
on that movie in particular. You know,

670
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:32.039
So that was a big chapter as
well. I think that's the second

671
00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:37.280
biggest chapter in the book outside of
Freddy's Nightmares. So it was again it's

672
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.039
my probably my favorite of the movies, so it meant a lot to me

673
00:43:40.079 --> 00:43:42.760
as well. So I was,
you know, I had a lot to

674
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:45.079
say about it. I think it's
probably the probably the deepest in terms of

675
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.639
the teams, and there's so much
going on there with all the kids in

676
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:52.960
the Psychiatric Award and you know,
Nancy and everything else. And of course

677
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:58.079
it introduces the backstory of Freddie's mother, mister Mary Hellness. So you're talking

678
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:01.800
about a kind of a world building, character building sequel. So there's a

679
00:44:01.800 --> 00:44:05.039
lot going on in there, and
that's why it ends up as big a

680
00:44:05.119 --> 00:44:07.639
chapter as it did, apart from
all the people I spoke to as well.

681
00:44:07.800 --> 00:44:12.159
Yeah, So before we wrap things
up, i'd love to hear what

682
00:44:12.199 --> 00:44:14.519
you're working on right now. Wayne. I mean, obviously you're working on

683
00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:16.079
a lot, but you know,
what would you like to tell the people

684
00:44:16.119 --> 00:44:20.679
who would who would be big enough
nerds to listen to this podcast? What

685
00:44:20.719 --> 00:44:24.000
would they what should they look forward
for from you? Okay, so there's

686
00:44:24.079 --> 00:44:28.599
three which I'm currently working on that
are under contracts that are going to be

687
00:44:28.639 --> 00:44:31.119
coming out next year. And first
of all, as I mentioned, I'm

688
00:44:31.119 --> 00:44:36.159
working at Roy Wagner, who's the
cinematographer on Part three, and working on

689
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:39.320
a book on his career. He's
had an amazing career you know, from

690
00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:44.719
major, major TV shows and movies, and he's a fascinating man. He's

691
00:44:44.760 --> 00:44:46.840
one of my favorite dps. Like
I said, he's kind of a film

692
00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:52.079
historian in and of himself. I
mean he's documented everything, so like sometimes

693
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:57.320
you have to work and find your
research. Working at Roy is just like

694
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:00.960
he has a whole archive of stuff
that I can just feed off and mold

695
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:04.400
and work with. So really excited
that me and Right were working together on

696
00:45:04.440 --> 00:45:08.119
that. Another book is I'm working
with my good friend Amanda Kramer. She

697
00:45:08.199 --> 00:45:13.280
was just spent the last week with
me here. She's she's the keyboard for

698
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:16.679
the Psychedelic Furst and has worked at
many other major bands and she's one of

699
00:45:16.719 --> 00:45:21.400
my best friends. And we're working
on we have a book coming out,

700
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:25.559
But we're also working on another book, which is we're charting the development of

701
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:30.360
film music and soundtracks from the sixties
up to the nineties. So we're kind

702
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:34.760
of looking at, you know,
when the decline of the classical musicals,

703
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:37.559
the Broadway musicals, and then how
kind of the new Hollywood came in with

704
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:42.320
the likes Vezy Ryder and The Graduate
and Midnight Cowboy which used songs rather than

705
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:46.119
you know, original scores. So
we're just tracing the development of how the

706
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:53.639
soundtrack changed from classical compositions to jazz
to rock music, pop music, and

707
00:45:53.679 --> 00:45:55.800
all up through the eighties, you
know, with the John Us stuff,

708
00:45:55.840 --> 00:46:00.239
and also the independent scene which used
a lot of alternative artists as well.

709
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:04.360
So that's a really interesting books.
So I'm excited to be doing that with

710
00:46:04.400 --> 00:46:07.559
Amanda. And then I'm working on
a book on the Halloween franchise, which

711
00:46:07.599 --> 00:46:13.599
is very exciting. So that's that's
a very busy one at the moment because

712
00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:15.639
I'm doing a lot of interviews for
that. So you know, my approach.

713
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:20.360
I think that came about because of
the elm Street book. Some people

714
00:46:20.559 --> 00:46:22.519
in the industry really liked it and
it did very well, you know,

715
00:46:22.760 --> 00:46:25.519
like I say on Amazon. So
you know, people taking notice of these

716
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:31.519
things. So I started getting offers
to do books on horror franchises. And

717
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:35.719
because I had these other books in
the works, I also have several other

718
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:40.519
books in development as well, I
didn't I couldn't commit to anything I did

719
00:46:40.639 --> 00:46:44.960
really didn't want to. You know, all of these books I've done so

720
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:50.440
far means something very deep to me. I could only ever work on a

721
00:46:50.480 --> 00:46:54.039
book that has that resonance for me. I couldn't take a book just for

722
00:46:54.079 --> 00:46:59.880
commercial reasons. So I kind of
had to feel the few about a few

723
00:47:00.079 --> 00:47:02.320
way and just say no, it's
I like the subject, I like the

724
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:07.559
movies, but no, I don't
fancy spending a year on that. Until

725
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:09.239
Halloween came up, and then I
said, well, you know, I

726
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:14.679
could definitely spend a year on that
because there's a lot of movies there.

727
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:16.440
There's a lot of and this is
this is the thing to attracted me.

728
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:22.679
It was the thoughts of the filmmakers. I would get to interview the directors,

729
00:47:22.960 --> 00:47:27.639
the cinematographers, screenwriters, some of
those actors who were fantastic. So

730
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:32.000
to me, that's that's what attracted
to me to Halloween and there's several of

731
00:47:32.039 --> 00:47:36.119
the films which are really my favorites. And I'll go out there and I'll

732
00:47:36.159 --> 00:47:37.719
say, you know, my favorite
Halloween movie is the one I saw first,

733
00:47:37.760 --> 00:47:44.039
and that's Halloween three. So I'm
starting out as a Halloween Tree fan.

734
00:47:44.559 --> 00:47:47.039
And then then I discovered Halloween four, and then I discovered Halloween.

735
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:52.559
That's how I discovered the franchise back
in the eighties. As you can imagine,

736
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.079
that was strange. You know,
I'm going back in tracing the lineage

737
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:59.639
then, but you know, those
three movies I remember again. It comes

738
00:47:59.679 --> 00:48:00.800
my dad. I remember I was
in the car one day, I was

739
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:06.280
picking me up from school and he
says to me, I recorded a movie

740
00:48:06.320 --> 00:48:08.480
off the TV last night free.
You'll probably like it. It's some silly

741
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:13.039
movie called Halloween Tree. And I
was like, what's that? Dad?

742
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:20.039
So I went home and he put
on this tape for me, and as

743
00:48:20.039 --> 00:48:27.920
you can imagine, like a five
year old brain watching Halloween Tree, the

744
00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:34.000
snakes and stuff. So all of
a sudden, you know, I'm transported

745
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:40.000
this odd Irish team horror movie with
Dana Harley, who I recognized from because

746
00:48:40.039 --> 00:48:42.960
he was Irish. You know,
he popped up in some movies that my

747
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:45.400
dad would watch, and that was
that was the only thing I kind of

748
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:49.519
recognized, like that's the old guy
from those movies you watch. But I

749
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:52.840
watched it and it was brilliant.
I loved Halloween Tree, and then I

750
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:55.800
rented, I think it was around
the same year, or maybe the following

751
00:48:55.840 --> 00:48:59.840
year, Halloween four. And I
loved Halloween four. But that was my

752
00:48:59.840 --> 00:49:04.840
first introduction to Michael Myers. So
and to this day, I think Halloween

753
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:09.639
four is brilliant, absolutely brilliant film. And then I discovered Halloween. So

754
00:49:09.679 --> 00:49:13.320
I went from three four to one, and then obviously I went back to

755
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:16.440
all the others then over time.
But so yeah, so Halloween means a

756
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:22.119
lot to me. I'm in the
middle of interviewing various directors, dbs,

757
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:23.920
writers, actors, whatever, and
they've all been wonderful, you know,

758
00:49:23.920 --> 00:49:28.519
they've all been great. I mean, it's kind of like galm Street,

759
00:49:28.559 --> 00:49:32.079
you know, it can approach it
from a tramatic point of view or making

760
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:35.599
off point of view, and I
always try and balance everything out in that

761
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.960
respect. Because there's been so many
documentaries on Halloween, you know, and

762
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:43.760
so many articles, and there's even
a couple of books out there already,

763
00:49:43.960 --> 00:49:49.599
so I don't want to just replicate
and Making of again. I think everybody

764
00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:52.559
everything that has been said about the
making of is substantial enough already, So

765
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:57.199
it's not really up to me to
do another book about the making of the

766
00:49:57.239 --> 00:50:00.239
movies. My thing, as I
said to my agent, is if I'm

767
00:50:00.239 --> 00:50:04.199
gonna do this, it has to
be the way I do my books.

768
00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:07.320
It can't be because I know they
wanted kind of a you know, a

769
00:50:07.360 --> 00:50:10.360
glossy, kind of almost like like
a coffee table kind of book with loads

770
00:50:10.360 --> 00:50:15.400
of beautiful pictures, and you know, a very attractive book, and that's

771
00:50:15.440 --> 00:50:19.320
great. It will still be a
very attractive book. But I said,

772
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:22.000
I really want to do it the
way I do all my books, which

773
00:50:22.039 --> 00:50:24.119
is to dig into the teams,
dig into the ideas and the concepts,

774
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:29.000
and speak to the originators and celebrate
them, you know, because a lot

775
00:50:29.039 --> 00:50:31.480
of the guys I'm speaking to are
not necessarily the ones you'll see in those

776
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:36.000
documentaries or the behind the scenes things
on the DVDs, you know. So

777
00:50:36.280 --> 00:50:38.840
that's that's very exciting for me as
a fan, is to get new stories

778
00:50:38.880 --> 00:50:44.599
and new insights that aren't on the
audio commentaries or the documentaries. So it's

779
00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:47.679
going great so far. You know, I'm very excited for it. As

780
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:51.480
I said to my agent, you
know, if there's one horror franchise I'm

781
00:50:51.480 --> 00:50:54.440
willing to spend a year, it's
this, So I think it means something

782
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:59.840
quite a bit. So it's really
happy for that. I cannot wait for

783
00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:02.719
that book. I'm gonna tell you
that right now. Thanks found reading creation.

784
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:07.679
That's so much fun, and again
meeting such nice people as well,

785
00:51:07.679 --> 00:51:09.679
like Jesus. I think Tommy Lee
Wallace was one of my favorite interviews I've

786
00:51:09.679 --> 00:51:13.960
ever done. He was just so
fascinating. I think as well he got

787
00:51:14.039 --> 00:51:15.679
kind of got a kick out of
the fact that, you know, I

788
00:51:15.760 --> 00:51:17.800
was coming at it from first and
foremost a fund of Halloween tree. Yeah,

789
00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:22.840
so that was unusual probably for him
to hear, you know. And

790
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:25.559
he's got so many great stories too. Well. I want to put out

791
00:51:25.599 --> 00:51:30.199
a mystery that I'd love to have
you solve in that book. Okay.

792
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:35.599
When they show all the towns where
people are potentially going to watch the special,

793
00:51:36.559 --> 00:51:38.400
one of them is Dayton, Ohio, which is where we are sitting

794
00:51:38.480 --> 00:51:42.719
right now. Right not a fame, I mean, it's a famous town

795
00:51:42.760 --> 00:51:45.159
for the birth of aviation. But
that's it. I know man's ability to

796
00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:50.159
fly. That's it though. But
I've always wondered if like there was an

797
00:51:50.320 --> 00:51:54.360
editor or a negative cutter or somebody
who had a connection to Dayton, Ohio

798
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:59.800
and that's why it popped up.
So I expect you to personally solve this

799
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:02.280
is through for me. When I
buy your book, I will endeavor to

800
00:52:02.280 --> 00:52:06.400
find out that. For you,
sir, I appreciate it very much.

801
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.599
Awesome, Wayne, Well, please
let our listeners know how they can get

802
00:52:09.599 --> 00:52:12.559
a hold of you, how they
can keep contact with you. Because I

803
00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:15.119
follow you on Instagram, so I've
been seeing the interviews you've been doing,

804
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:19.400
so please plug yourself cool man.
I'm not, as you know, a

805
00:52:19.480 --> 00:52:22.559
huge social media guy. I don't
post that frequent and when I do,

806
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:25.559
it's like, you know, it
is generally book stuff. So sometimes I

807
00:52:25.559 --> 00:52:30.559
feel shamed and posting the odd like
it's a picture of like me watching TV

808
00:52:30.639 --> 00:52:34.199
and my pajamas. You know.
It's like people people say to me,

809
00:52:34.559 --> 00:52:37.199
why do you never post personal things? You always post things about your books.

810
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:38.119
I'm like, Okay, I'm gonna
give you my most personal thing,

811
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:43.440
which is me and my pj's watching
TV, so that's where that comes from.

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But yeah, I'm on It's Wayne
burnt Utter on Instagram. You can.

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I'm on Facebook as well. I
was on Twitter. I don't I

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rarely use Twitter, so it's you
won't find anything in that. But the

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main thing is the Instagram. Instagram
is my main thing. And you can

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get all my books anywhere anywhere that
sells books, you can get them but

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Amazon. My publishers are McFarland,
Columbia University Press, working with Equinox,

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and I'm also working with Roman and
Little Field Applause Books. But if you

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want a one stop shop, what
you call them Amazon, and what's the

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big chain store in America, Barnes
and Noble. Yeah, they're all in

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there as well. So yeah,
they're they're they're easily got. So yeah,

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so people can reach out and follow
me on Instagram if that's that's the

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easiest one is the want to use
the most awesome Well, thank you so

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much for sitting down with us and
talking about the most maligned, unfairly element

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of Freddy Krueger's backstory. And that's
saying something when you're a child murderer,

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absolutely hey, who remembers the lunch
boxes and the toys, and we got

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the Freddie doll right behind us right
now. Yeah, yeah, there you

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go. Oh yeah, he's right
here here a little for you. I

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love it. But thank you again
so much. We're gonna wrap up the

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show right now. Absolutely. Uh
well, I usually I don't say I'm

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hitting the button, but I hit
the button. Thank you for listening to

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Welcome to prime time the Frady's Nightmares
Podcast. If you want to email us,

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it's very easy to do. You
reach out and cut us at Freddie's

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Nightmares Pod at gmail dot com.
For all other information, you go to

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Freddie's Nightmares dot com and make sure
you check out Wayne Burn's books on Amazon

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or anywhere else you get books.
Huge. Thank you for sitting down and

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chatting with us. We had a
great time. So until next time,

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we'll see you in Springwood. Don't
sleep well or we'll do. But just

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in little information you just just long
enough to bother fred There we go. So