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Hello, friends out there. We
are back in Springwood, yes, but

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we have some special friends we've brought
along because, as you know, the

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real child murderer was the friends we
made along the way, and not and

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not not just the fun of the
show. I am your host, Enrique

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Kuto here with David Denoyer, also
known as Louie preferred. He prefers Louis,

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and I'm Dave. Actually, you
know what, you did the leg

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work on this. I mean not
the not the technical leg work that was

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my job, but you did the
leg work, Dave. I want you

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to give these gentlemen their introduction.
All right, So we are welcoming back

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to the show. Mister Alan Katz, who of course joined us when we

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were discussing I think it was welcome
to Springwood or actually Freddy's Tricks and Treats.

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But with us this time we also
have the producer on the show,

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mister Gilbert Adler, and we are
so excited to have both of these gentlemen

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with us in Springwood today. Absolutely, thank you guys so much for joining

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us. That's a pleasures. It's
nice to be back in Springwood, you

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know, right, You're like,
I mean, the economy is always booming

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in Springwood. That's one of our
favorite things to notice is like we start

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adding up all the businesses, the
next thing, you're gonna tell me that

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people are dying to move in.
Come on, mych what do you the

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crypt keeping the fun all right?
I mean they have you know, International

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Airport. They have a hockey ring, hockey ring full size, so weird.

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A lot of things they have looked
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a population like Los Angeles. But
it's a small town in a lot.

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But I'm thrilled about this because one
of the first people we were talking about

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wanting to get on the show when
we started doing this was Gil. Because

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your name is on every single episode
of Freddy's Nightmares. That means you're guilty,

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is charged? Gil? Help me
responsible for that. This is actually

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the Geneva convention being uh, we're
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but yeah, you, I mean
you had a hand and was it fair

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to say you had a hand in
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one? You know, no glove, no love, Yeah, Alan,

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Alan and I both No. I
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had my name on a few but
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I was just uh, I was
just Gil's writing partner and that particular point

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and Gil was, you know,
on the second season when Gil directed an

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episode and uh, I think that
was a fascinating learning experience for for both

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of us because we really had no
idea when when when I look back on

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some of the conversations that you and
I had in your office, I mean,

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and you were scared out of your
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was huge, And it's not like
we were filled with the knowledge where you

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know, the knowledge that you have
now and and you know you still I

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think appro directing with with a certain
amount of it's just the best. Is

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this the best? Is it's the
best, the best approach to it,

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but with the confidence of having done
it a bunch of times and just the

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knowledge you know, it's at the
end of the day, most most direction

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is pretty basic. It's master coverage, master coverage, master coverage. If

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you do that, yeah, it
might not be the most interesting visually interesting

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show, but you know you'll tell
the story. Why didn't you tell me

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all those years ago? We sat
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moment we had no I can I
can kind of remember some of the conversations,

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and I almost want to hide my
face and shame of how we were

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thinking about It's like we had no
concept of master coverage. Well, how

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are we going to get this over
here? How are we going to get

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this piece of action over there?
Well, when we interviewed Jeff Jeff fryl

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he talked about how when he directed
the first thing he ever did, which

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was Falcon Crest, the episode of
Falcon Crest, that he literally had no

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idea. He didn't know those fundamentals
either. He would just be setting up

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the camera and he'd like, okay, walk through here, and one of

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the actors was like, you can't
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lights and then have us do three
seconds. You gotta like, I forget

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which actor was. It was one
of the season one like took him aside.

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I was like, look, here's
how you do this job. Well,

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we were a little bit better than
that, not much. Yeah,

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well, and I think Frylick wasn't
ever wanting to not even was not even

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interested and directed. I think it
was one of those things where I was

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like, wait, we could save
how much money if I just do this

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one myself? Since the guy quit. Yeah, I think that was the

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kind of situation all right. But
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Tell from the Crypt, Gill and
I'm Gill especially, we became the really

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the school for for for directors,
the executive producers on Tales from the Crypt,

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Joel and Dick especially you directing slots
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lot of cases there were some favors, but there were also a bunch of

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people who hadn't directed before. In
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but uh writers who they had deals
with who they might be first time future

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directors. They would have them direct
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as a bit of a shakeout to
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know, and really for for Gil
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were walked onto an actual set,
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them on their shoulders and they know
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no. That way you could be
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something with us, well, first
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with Gil and Owl, right,
you know pretty much. So I'm happy

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to say that that there was actual
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way the hell out in the Valley
that we did Freddie's Who, when we

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eventually did a warehouse, way the
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did Crypt oh yeah, yeah,
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And one thing I wanted to uh
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for people who aren't aware of Alan
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would be bizarre. Yeah, I
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most famous work being really in the
Crypt. Apparently Paul McCartney was in a

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band before Wings. No he wasn't. But uh So, the way that

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the show really kind of came together
was very quickly after listening to the first

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season of How Not to Make a
Movie your Guys' podcast, And I highly

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recommend if anybody listening to this has
not listened to How Not to Make a

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Movie and get your butt over there. I mean, for real, it's

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it's an excellent show and that first
season was some of the best uh like

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independently made a documentary podcast work I
ever. And I mean that because I've

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been a podcaster for a very long
time, but I've been really at it

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for three and a half years,
so this was like a supplemental thing.

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I was like, why sit with
my friend. I'm gonna put air quotes

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you, We're not sit with my
friend and we'll talk about things we like.

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Well, after listening to How Not
to Make a movie and the little

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tiny references to Freddie's Nightmares, I
was like, you know, I never

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sat down and watched all of it, and it was on it was finally

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although they took it down, since
it was finally on two by so we

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could just get it. So that
was a big impetus was I was like,

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man, I want to look at
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I had made the small connection of
Gil moving going to Talescrypt because you're credited

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with really turning that ship around when
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Indeed, so I think I think
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uh yeah, we could. Let's
uh so, while we're dealing with some

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technical stuff, which you know happens
a lot in the Springwood because Springwood just

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there's no FIO since Springwood Kids.
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about when you and Gil took over
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you had mentioned that they were originally
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season, right. Yeah, at
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all, the executive producers Tells from
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It was the first time back then
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was one place and was over here, and TV was all the way and

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you did not travel back and forth
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Robin Williams would go from TV into
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way if you were filming. Suddenly
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was yeah, yeah, And suddenly
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they had First and ten, they
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yeah, dream On but those are
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and the word fuck. Yeah.
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nothing, nothing more about them that
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And then these these big movie producers
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to do a little movie every weekend
on Anthology based on this old comic book.

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And and we we've we've told the
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first screening, uh, for press
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before the premiere. It was very
successful. And after the first the first

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episode had played, I think it
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uh, a couple of the crew, a couple of the crew were sitting

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together and one of them says,
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one one guy said to the other, it's not TV, it's HBO.

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And that was money in the bank
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them were a bunch of HBO executives
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yeah and so yeah, and so
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we tell some the Crypt existed at
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there was no crossover. Uh,
now why was I telling that story?

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I have no memory, because I
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point about how it became a total
money pit and uh and oh yeah,

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yeah, well yeah, so when
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the deal to make Tells from the
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a TV deal. You know where
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which was all based on syndication anyway, which wasn't how HBO did you know

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that? That was all old fashioned
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to cover it. So HBO had
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night before the Rap Party, the
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They said, hey, guys,
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whole. Get out your checkbooks.
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HBO checks to cover that, to
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thing he did was canceled the Rap
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fired everybody. Uh. They were
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know, on on the on the
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to hold them to that. Uh, they had to get a new producers.

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So HBO trusted Gil because Gil had
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He had taken over, uh,
the Vietnam War stories. I think Chris

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Albrick had had called Gil and said, you know, they were having trouble

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in in Savannah, Georgia. They
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and you know, Gill took it
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show, you know, get back
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some some awards, and it's amazing
how you get one person who's good at

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keep keeping things happening. Uh,
you know that making things happen can make

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such a huge difference. I've been
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literally they just needed one guy to
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this, you gotta do it like
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between the movie completely failing to be
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the end. Yeah, it's amazing. How like, I don't know if

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it maybe it's kind of like you
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or those shows where they like turn
around a business. It's like there's this

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level of complacency and depression that sets
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Oh sure sure sure, sure,
sure sure yeah, and you stop solving

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problems. You you you just begin
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just need somebody to walk in and
go, actually, this can be completed,

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and then you're like, WHOA.
The original intention when Gil and I

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when a Board Tails from the Crypt
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out. We were going to be
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turned it around. Not only did
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we took we went back to the
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ec comics and and Bill Gains's World
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this was just reinvent reinvest in in
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fun that that ec Comics had Step
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important, more important thing that that
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It was okay, he was,
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puppet, but he had no interior
life. And my question to Joel was,

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all right, what does the crypt
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the end of the day he punches
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keeper when he goes home at night. But what does he do for fun?

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What are his hobbies? What does
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he like? Who were his friends? And I wanted to create an interior

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life for the crypt Keeper. You
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the whole Freddy Krueger anthology. Well, Freddie had a great backstory. Yeah,

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and you know, there's something to
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about the crypt Keeper. Ultimately,
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he had spent everything that a character
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know, there's nothing what else has
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so to me, it was it
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was, and that, more than
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I think it, it actually created
the franchise well. And I'd have to

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agree. I think that season three
onward is when the show I really feel

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like, had a personality the show
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itself began to have a personality,
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the fun element a lot. Yeah, I think that that that's what Gill

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happened to HBO didn't cancel it.
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million dollars out of our budget and
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million dollars less, well, two
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season two for Wow Wow burning through
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producing it like like a TV show, you know, a TV show,

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especially in the old days when it
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paradigm. It was like an assembly
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that's how that's how they did Freddie's. In fact, the way that we

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did crypt that was kind of Gil
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On Freddie's we hit a terrific conversation
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Hold on again? Oh there's the
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I'll talk very quickly. I moved
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the internet will work out here.
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Well, it looks like the view
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yeah North Van North Van view.
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out towards Beccover Island. Oh West
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on, now, that's so clearly
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se where we are. Okay,
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Will saw a real estate show after
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and North Van. So Gil we
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assembly line, the process that you
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only do the third season, but
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to do even more Tales from the
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I've always been curious about. How
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How did you get that job?
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stop. No No. I knew
Bob Shay from New York when he first

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saw the New Line Cinema and he
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on which I did Broadway and off
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of Jack, I got to know
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Bob has a very successful Friday Nightmare
movies. And they were talking about Megan

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to a series and he called me
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to do this, and you know, that's sort of how it started,

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and I was like, oh,
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me the specifics of it. You
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under a half a million dollars an
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the hours show in five days.
I guess I was too stupid and I

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said, okay, yeah, sure, no prolong yeah, I yeah,

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yeah, right anyway, and then
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it, and we actually had to
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and that was up to us to
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you shoot the hour in five days, which means you're shooting ten pages a

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day every day, and then there's
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sixth day, you start episode two
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you know, we want to be
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be able to distribute them as motion
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write them so that they're they work
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if you put two together to make
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was the mandate, and then the
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also had to work as independent half
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they came and they said, oh, we want them as half hours and

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hours and two hours, and so
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of them you know, I mean, the two of us in the in

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his house or my house working on
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ala, what's what's the second half
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so so what are we matching this
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two hour? And we would just
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was insane. Do you think that
that having that kind of challenge made you

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like really honed your skills at the
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matter what the ridiculous request of your
He just made everybody older. I know

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that when I've tried to explain because
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Nightmares on the podcast every week,
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B story and the fact that they
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relate, and and then it gets
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this episode is a sequel to three
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as a feature film for the foreign
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mind bending. It was. It
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it was crazy. It was just
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only two guys, you know,
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to figure it out. I mean
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a big staff of writers. We
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in, but ultimately it went through
Alan's typewriter, and then we would look

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at it and say, well,
what, how are we going to do

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this, and how are we going
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work in five days? And how
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was kind of mind boggling. And
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years ago, thinking about doing ten
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came into direct direct at ten pages
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part of the challenge was the first
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the first six episodes, then then
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writers strike. I yeah, did
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was on, they couldn't hire Guild
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not Writers Guild and so they I
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at the Chateau Marmont. Bob Shay
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who were going to be doing this
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were there and they explained the deal
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think it was six thousand dollars for
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think it was. It was it
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Shay kind of said, and here's
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strike hadn't ended. But after we
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I wrote the first one the strike
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had worked on the scripts really got
hired. They went and hired like Jonathan

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Glassner, uh, Bill Frolick,
uh, David Braff. They hired a

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bunch of those guys. And so
the guys who were there to get them,

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you know, to get them started, we got nothing. Now,

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the only reason that I continued to
have a relationship with them was because I

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had a relationship with Gil and Gil
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only reason I had a relationship with
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me to do the show and had
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a producer was, had we not
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had it in somebody's office, we
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a little bit more money. Probably
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Probably true. Uh, it was. It was a strange show in every

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way, shape and form, and
it shows on the actual program. There's

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something about Freddy's Nightmares that you can't
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it's got an odd, quirky energy. And I had always heard that the

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show was not great from other fans, and then when I finally started watching,

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I actually find the entertainment value incredibly
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saying that. No, I mean, I mean it, and I appreciate

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the PayPal payment, but no,
no, I really do mean it.

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Like one of my favorite things about
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it was just episode after episode after
EVERISOD with you had the twenty two episode

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seasons and stuff like that, because
you know, now obviously it's much more

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scaled back and much more focused.
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like professional creatives, we're trying their
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but you would get but that would
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all of a sudden, Freddy's writing
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going, I don't deserve this level
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of course, this is amazing,
Like that's and I love that. I

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actually love when I can tell that
they're they're grasping at straws, but they're

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very creative, so they're like,
okay, yeah, so this one's about

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Freddy having somebody exchange love letters through
space and time, but it's gonna be

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really weird and fun. Yeah,
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to me with with Freddy's Nightmares.
I'm sorry, did you have thought it

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was one of those things where it
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just like we going into this podcast, it was simply because we all wanted

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we both wanted to watch the series, and it was just basically, well,

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let's just do a podcast around it. And then when we got like,

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you know, ten episodes, and
we're like, this show is actually

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a lot of fun. Yeah,
we were having a great time. You

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know, we were watching it because
and we're not just I mean, Dave

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has to watch him twice, just
to watch him once for enjoyment, and

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then again to write all of the
breakdowns. I watch it once and just

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jot down any jokes I think of
in my phone. And then we weary,

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just just hearing. Oh my god, there's a bullet I can eat.

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When we're done. Perhaps we can
recommend a good therapist, you know,

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I mean, a good one is
hard to fos. But well,

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the irony, the irony of the
story is, you know, the ten

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pages a day, five pages for
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another one. And we did twenty
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a mandate to break him down a
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Right cut to a few years later, I get this call about Tails from

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the Crypt, and I go in
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tellsom the Crypt, And you know, Joel's pacing in front of the desk

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and he goes, you know,
it has to look like a movie.

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Can'd look like television. Gotta look
like a movie. And I'm sitting there,

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going, I don't even know if
Dellie's talking about what's the And then

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he says and every day, every
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every day, day in and day
out. Do you think you can do

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that? And I remember looking at
him saying, what do we do after

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lunch? And he like he got
really mad at me and he started yelling

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at me, and I said,
no, no, I just did this

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this show called Freddie's Nightmares. I
was shooting ten pages a day. You're

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saying I have to shoot five pages
a day. I think I can do

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that before lunch? Yeah, And
that's no. So there was that was

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sort of the there was sort of
like a training ground for, if you

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will, for for going on to
Tails and being able to figure out how

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we're going to make that show even
better than than we did on on Freddy's.

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And we had a little bit more
resources, but not much. We've

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we we've we've talked on on our
podcast about how Greg Melton was really the

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secret sauce. Yeah, and Greg. Greg's ability to to to create sets

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and and in fact what systems that
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became part of how we did tell
somethy crypt a night crew. He had

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a night crew building sets, so
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and I want to mention for people
who are listening to us who maybe film

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inclined or you'd like to make movies
whatever. Uh, ten pages a day

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on film, that's hard. That
is hard work. That is hard work

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on a feature film. There it's
not usual. On some feature films you

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might do half a page a day, and im and I mean literally on

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celluloid doing ten pages is crazy.
And if and if I remember correctly,

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Freddy's was on sixteen and Tales was
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okay, But like so, I
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we've done twenty twenty five pages in
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You know, you can you can
cheat a little. You don't need so

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much light. You can get away
with like, oh, this is just

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one cutaway point, one light at
the ceiling, let's just go. You

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couldn't do that. Well, everything's
changing anyway, because you know led lights

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and in digital shooting, you know, Marvel of these days I was talking

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that one of we were interviewing,
uh I forget oh. In one of

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our episodes, We'm going up on
the name of the DP that we interview,

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He's done a bunch of Marvel projects. He pointed out that they just

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light everything flat white in in production
and they do all the lighting and post.

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part is no longer where it's happening. Yeah, it's all happening in post.

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Now nobody has to wear pants,
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could get it all taken care of
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I think it's the Blue Man Group
can be anybody exactly. It's good

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reference. And one of my favorite
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Nightmares, because we've gotten we've like
James Cappy, one of the writers on

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Freddie's Nightmares, he was one of
the first people from the show to reach

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out to us and say like,
hey, it's so cool that you guys

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are appreciating this. And then he
wrote me this wonderful message about how that

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was the beginning of his whole life
of him working in the business, buying

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a house, getting married, having
you know how it was all started because

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Freddie's Nightmares was like the first real
paying giggy got in television. That's what

410
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:04.559
we met Jeff fry Lick, and
that was the beginning of him meeting just

411
00:30:04.599 --> 00:30:07.319
lots and lots of people to work
with. And I love that. I

412
00:30:07.359 --> 00:30:11.039
love that we could sit here and
be like, ha ha, Freddy Krueger's

413
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:14.680
doing a goofy joke, and it's
like people are like, they're gonna meet

414
00:30:14.720 --> 00:30:18.160
their wives because of Freddy's Nightmares.
They're going to show business is such a

415
00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:22.559
weird thing. We you know,
Hey, Freddy's Nightmares was my first produced

416
00:30:22.720 --> 00:30:27.960
work. Wow, And I remember
being on the set the very first day

417
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:37.920
of production and feeling kind of awed
by it all. Yeah, it was

418
00:30:38.000 --> 00:30:44.279
quite surreal, Uh it was.
It was for me too. I mean,

419
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:45.880
I think the two of us,
I mean we had we had I

420
00:30:45.920 --> 00:30:51.480
had made some other smaller shows and
some smaller movies and stuff, so at

421
00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:53.559
least, you know, I kind
of knew what a camera was and I

422
00:30:53.599 --> 00:30:57.240
could point to the camera as opposed
to the light. But you know,

423
00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:02.519
it was a very it was a
very interesting experience for us, just in

424
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:06.200
terms of sort of learning and doing
and doing and learning all at the same

425
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.000
time. And by the way,
if you if you do speak to Cabby

426
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:11.079
and say I for me, God, I haven't spoken to him in a

427
00:31:11.119 --> 00:31:14.119
hundred years. I'll be happy to, and I'd be happy to if you

428
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:15.319
don't know. If you want his
new email address, I'll hook you guys

429
00:31:15.400 --> 00:31:18.400
up to Yeah, please, I'd
love He's one of the nicest dudes.

430
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.400
I love him. Yeah, it
was a blast on the show. So

431
00:31:22.759 --> 00:31:25.240
yeah, he and I. Whenever
we do a podcast thing, we end

432
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:27.799
up talking for me forty minutes and
I'm like, should we record? He's

433
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:33.240
just such a fun guy to talk
to. So here's a question about Freddy's

434
00:31:33.279 --> 00:31:38.440
nightmares. Did you ever have any
directors just break, just shatter from from

435
00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:48.880
the sheer amount of demand on them
almost every episode? Okay, now we're

436
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:51.839
cooking with gas. I mean we
would, we would. We would have

437
00:31:51.880 --> 00:31:55.240
directors who would you know, who
would say, like, after the first

438
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:59.680
hour and then gotten three shots,
you know, and we have planned you

439
00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:01.920
know, forty shots or thirty shots
for the day. You know, they

440
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:05.680
would come in and they would say, well, we can't do this,

441
00:32:05.680 --> 00:32:07.319
We're never going to get there,
and we would alan I would look at

442
00:32:07.319 --> 00:32:10.359
them and say, we are.
We have to. We'dn't have a choice.

443
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:14.000
I mean, it's not like we're
trying to punish you any more than

444
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:16.279
they're punishing us. But we have
to finish the day's work. We don't

445
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:20.480
have any money to go any further. If I had more money, believe

446
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:22.519
me, we'd be the first guys
to say, hey, take another hour

447
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:27.960
or two or three or ten.
But there wasn't It just wasn't that luxury.

448
00:32:28.200 --> 00:32:30.200
So yeah, we were dealing with
that all the time. I mean,

449
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:36.039
in looking back on it, it
was probably a great experience, a

450
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:38.960
learning experience for us, which we
used a lot, I think on tales

451
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:45.079
as to how to construct material and
how to shoot, and so that we

452
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:47.200
were able to, especially on tales, we were able to go to the

453
00:32:47.240 --> 00:32:52.920
directors and even some of the bigger
ones like John Frankenheimer or recently you know

454
00:32:52.119 --> 00:32:59.680
deceased Billy Freakin who became a really
great friend of ours and say to them,

455
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:02.240
you know what about doing it this
way or that way or you know.

456
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:07.880
I tell a story on our podcast
about Toby Hooper in an episode that

457
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:12.920
Alan and I wrote, and Bill
by Goldberg was in it, and John

458
00:33:13.279 --> 00:33:16.200
Ramar, John Rees Davies, you
know, and Toby got into a problem

459
00:33:16.240 --> 00:33:21.000
and you know, as opposed to
being the typical asshole producer and saying,

460
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:23.720
well, I'm closing it down in
six hours and you've got to figure this

461
00:33:23.759 --> 00:33:28.720
out and go and I'm going back
up to my office. I looked at

462
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:30.039
him and I said, Toby,
relax, you know, take it,

463
00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:35.640
have lunch. I'm gonna go upstairs, Alan and I'm going to talk it

464
00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:38.640
over. I'll come down in twenty
minutes with a plan and if you like

465
00:33:38.799 --> 00:33:42.599
the plan, do it. If
you don't like the plan, I'm not

466
00:33:42.599 --> 00:33:45.160
going to argue with you. I'm
going to go back upstairs and Alan and

467
00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:47.400
I are going to come up with
another plan. But suffice it to say,

468
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:52.799
we got to finish the day's work
today. I don't have any luxury

469
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:55.319
and sometimes that makes for better storytelling. And we came up with a better

470
00:33:55.359 --> 00:34:00.279
plan and it worked that I think
we wouldn't have been able to do as

471
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:06.000
well as we did had we not
had that experience on Freddie's because Freddie ass

472
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:08.719
always We're up against it every day, I mean, every day was a

473
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:13.159
run for your money. And every
day when we said rap, you know,

474
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:17.679
hey're not just about collapse and so
and I love that too, because

475
00:34:17.679 --> 00:34:22.360
that's very a very indy way of
doing things, especially in that in that

476
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:24.079
time period where you just get it
done, do it, do it,

477
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:27.880
do it, which is the best
producing experience you can get, is that

478
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:30.400
it's like, how do I do
that? That's not my problem, Go

479
00:34:30.519 --> 00:34:34.679
do it my best to your thoughts
and prayers and all that good luck and

480
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.800
and but I love that because when
you look at Tales from the Crypt and

481
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:42.920
the idea that it got so bloated, overspending and not paying attention to the

482
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.840
business, and then it's like you
call these two plucky young gentlemen and they're

483
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:50.239
like, oh, we know what
we could We could do anything as long

484
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:52.239
as we say we'll do it.
You know. I love that attitude.

485
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:59.079
It's one of the reasons why Chris
Albrett ordered the show again was because he

486
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:01.039
said, you know, to Joel
and Dick and Bob and Walter and to

487
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:06.039
us, uh, yeah, well, I'll order another season, but you've

488
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:08.960
got to make up the million dollars. So not only did we have a

489
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:12.400
very low budget to make Tells from
the Crypt, but we had to make

490
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:19.280
up the million dollars that they lost, which we did. And and you

491
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:22.840
know, again we learned a lot
from Freddy's so that we could figure out

492
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:29.559
how to how to do that.
The executive the executive producers were quite shocked

493
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:32.079
that that that we could do what
we did with the resources that we had.

494
00:35:32.679 --> 00:35:37.119
But when we went into the next
season, did they did they reward

495
00:35:37.159 --> 00:35:45.119
us by giving us back the million? No? No, like, wow,

496
00:35:45.159 --> 00:35:46.480
you guys could do it cheap.
I bet you could do it cheaper,

497
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:51.079
bro. No, yeah, no, I mean I when I produce,

498
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.360
I can't the moment it's it became
my money investing. I immediately felt

499
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:58.599
that way too. It's like,
wow, can't it be done cheaper?

500
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:07.679
It felt in theory it wasn't Joel's
money, but fuck him on that conversation.

501
00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:12.559
You know that you that you just
suggested in that second season about well

502
00:36:12.559 --> 00:36:15.199
can we can we book through it
for less? And yeah, no,

503
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:21.320
we're not. You know, there
was a point on that that season when

504
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:24.159
because of because they cut our budget
back again where we you know, we

505
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:29.880
always shot them in five days.
We shot crypt episodes five days and we

506
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:35.159
ended up having to shoot some in
four days. That's insane. And I

507
00:36:35.159 --> 00:36:38.400
remember the first time, I think
the first director that that we pulled the

508
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:44.440
day from was Russell mulkahy oh wow, And it really, and Russell got

509
00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:47.880
very upset, he really upset.
But he's such a he's such a pro

510
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:52.679
and such a trooper that he you
know, he came back from it and

511
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:58.519
actually it's a great episode and it's
let let the punishment ship the crimea and

512
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:01.639
and and he really but he's such
a great visual director that he simply just

513
00:37:01.679 --> 00:37:08.559
plowed it into just innovating clever ways
to combine this action into that action.

514
00:37:09.360 --> 00:37:14.679
You know. The strange thing is
when you take creative people and you force

515
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:17.079
them, you take away the money
and the time, and you force them

516
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:22.000
to be more creative. Most of
the time we do. Yeah, No,

517
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:25.679
definitely, and there's never most of
the time we do, and then

518
00:37:25.679 --> 00:37:30.920
we wind up looking like the way
we look and we suffer for it.

519
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:36.519
There's no reward. I mean,
that's and that's show what a quit show

520
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:39.440
business. I love that old joke. I say it a million times.

521
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:42.880
So, Dave, did you anything
one? I kind of took. I

522
00:37:42.920 --> 00:37:45.679
got nerve out immediately getting to talk
about I have I have one specific question

523
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:49.239
for Gil because it's on my mind
right now. So there's an episode in

524
00:37:49.280 --> 00:37:52.559
season one of Freddie's Love Stinks that
has Jeffrey Combs in it, and there

525
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:57.400
is a scene that you did a
cameo in inside a pizza oven, and

526
00:37:57.440 --> 00:38:00.360
I was just curious if that was
planned or if that person didn't show up

527
00:38:00.440 --> 00:38:05.000
or not that day without you take
it one for the team. Well,

528
00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:12.840
let me answer that by saying I
wasn't wearing makeup. Fair it was.

529
00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:15.239
It was. It was planned.
I don't know why we did it,

530
00:38:15.239 --> 00:38:19.440
but it was planned some someone's idea. I don't remember what it was.

531
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.480
It wasn't my ideat when it might
have been the director's idea, but they

532
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:28.039
Yeah, they just wanted me to
Yeah, the next pop up in there.

533
00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:30.639
I love that. I love that
bit. It was so funny and

534
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:36.360
it's funny. So with with Freddie's
Nightmares being kind of a lamented and forgotten

535
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:40.679
piece of anthology television history, the
moment I heard about, I mean,

536
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:46.440
I grew up watching Tales from the
Crypt rerunning on Fox. So yeah,

537
00:38:46.480 --> 00:38:51.440
that that music residuals when that happened, it must then I'm then you're welcome.

538
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.320
Uh. I watched no, but
I would watch it and it was

539
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:58.239
so funny. When we got HBO
later on and I would watch them,

540
00:38:58.239 --> 00:39:02.280
I'd be like, Wow, there's
booms in this but like there's so many

541
00:39:02.320 --> 00:39:07.920
boobs. But uh I, but
some Tales from the Crypt is very well

542
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:13.920
loved and rightfully so. But Freddy's
is kind of the bastard son of a

543
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:19.880
thousands, so well, there was
there was something kind of cynical at the

544
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:25.360
creation. Yeah, I would agree, and there will always be that,

545
00:39:28.039 --> 00:39:32.280
oh dure well, And because from
my perspective, once I once I started

546
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:36.760
watching Freddy's Nightmares because we could get
a hold of it, I was just

547
00:39:36.800 --> 00:39:39.519
excited because I grew up when he
was the pop culture phenomena, and I

548
00:39:39.880 --> 00:39:44.400
watched the movies again and again and
again. In fact, last year,

549
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:47.400
I went to a drive in movie
show with my dog and they showed all

550
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:52.239
seven original Nightmare on Elm Street movies
at the drive in on thirty five millimeter

551
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:54.760
film. You just stay up all
night, just movie after movie after movie.

552
00:39:55.280 --> 00:39:59.960
And because I've always been obsessed with
Freddie, so to me it was

553
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:01.519
just like, Man, I get
more Freddy I didn't even know existed,

554
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:05.440
and not just a little more,
like, you know, like forty four

555
00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:10.000
episodes more of Freddy. But I
do agree there is definitely a cynicism in

556
00:40:10.039 --> 00:40:16.000
the birth of the show. But
like you're saying, the create the creative

557
00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:20.039
element, though, here's this really
cynical show. You guys are creative,

558
00:40:20.039 --> 00:40:22.320
go make it fun. You guys
did. Yeah, and I'm not just

559
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.360
trying to I feel like you probably
don't hear this enough. You deserve to

560
00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:30.519
know that it was a really fun
show. Yeah, absolutely, Look,

561
00:40:30.559 --> 00:40:36.199
thank you. It's we don't hear
that very often a minute many people,

562
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:39.639
and we certainly didn't hear from the
guys who were paying us when we were

563
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:45.079
making it. All you heard was
the of the wallet opening. You know,

564
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:52.239
it's just like a bear trap.
Ya. Do you have anything else

565
00:40:52.239 --> 00:40:53.960
you wanted to mention? Nothing comes
to mind. I just I just can't

566
00:40:54.000 --> 00:40:58.079
stress enough that like we like,
like I said, we started the podcast

567
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:01.519
because the show was available, and
the podcast has become just from enjoying the

568
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:05.920
show but also getting to hear the
stories and everything about it has been an

569
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:10.320
absolute pleasure, and it just hurts
me that it's not more widely feel Yeah,

570
00:41:10.360 --> 00:41:14.199
I hate that it went off a
two B. I'm sure that was

571
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:17.159
some you know, Warner Brothers weird
decision. Probably hopefully they're going to do

572
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:24.000
something with it, But I would
never trust anyone in a suit. Yeah,

573
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:29.559
that's that's accurate. So do you
think this is a question for Dave

574
00:41:29.599 --> 00:41:32.480
and for you guys. Do you
think Freddie's would have been more successful had

575
00:41:32.599 --> 00:41:39.039
marijuana been legal in most of the
United States? Oh, that's a much

576
00:41:39.079 --> 00:41:43.159
any question. If against Fredday Krueger, I think Allen and I would have

577
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:54.559
more successful. I confirm why as
someone who is a I'm a start of

578
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:59.320
the day till the end of the
day marijuana smoker. Why what what would

579
00:41:59.760 --> 00:42:02.360
And I'm not saying no, I
think that that's intriguing. What what would

580
00:42:02.559 --> 00:42:14.840
cannabis and Freddie? Uh? Where's
how? What's the h where's the juice?

581
00:42:14.880 --> 00:42:16.360
I mean I think there is a
juice. I I you're you're,

582
00:42:16.480 --> 00:42:20.280
you're, you're touching on something.
Where where? Where's to me? It's

583
00:42:20.320 --> 00:42:23.800
just the sheer absurday with the show
was kind of lost on the cynical viewership,

584
00:42:23.880 --> 00:42:29.039
on the people who just wanted to
see Freddie again. Meanwhile, Bob

585
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:31.719
Shay was like, don't over expose
Freddie. So you had to use him

586
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:35.639
sparingly. Yeah, you know he
had to be like Paprika. You know,

587
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:37.400
he couldn't he couldn't be the star
of the show. I feel like,

588
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:40.239
uh, I mean, I'm joking, but it's like most of these

589
00:42:40.280 --> 00:42:45.480
episodes I've watched, I watched it
like after midnight, really tired, maybe

590
00:42:45.559 --> 00:42:51.159
on my anxiety met most of the
time on my anxiety medicine and h and

591
00:42:51.360 --> 00:42:55.119
man, I had some great laughs
and some great like hits of nostalgia.

592
00:42:55.559 --> 00:43:00.000
And I wonder if you know,
uh, Freddy's Nightmares would have been more

593
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:05.320
appreciated if people hadn't just been drunken
annoyed late at night, you know.

594
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.320
But I think that that's exactly right. I think it's it was cerebral because

595
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:14.159
it had to be. Yeah,
and yeah, actually it would have been

596
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:17.400
easier to create episodes of Freddie's popped
up on on dope because you know,

597
00:43:17.719 --> 00:43:23.519
it's that's how I write anyway.
But you can think so many different levels

598
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:25.920
at the same time. It just
makes it easier. Hey, that that's

599
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:30.880
why guys like Louis Armstrong smoked dope
to create jazz. Yeah. Absolutely,

600
00:43:30.199 --> 00:43:34.760
you know, it's a lot of
coincidence. It really is very conducive to

601
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:39.760
the creative process. I think it
it's it would it couldn't a hurry let

602
00:43:39.760 --> 00:43:45.800
me answer question are you referring to
drunken, drunk and upset as as an

603
00:43:45.800 --> 00:43:52.039
audience member or as a as a
Alan and I creating and writing. I

604
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:57.320
mean I was initially thinking audience,
but you know, you guys tell me,

605
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:01.800
I think generally to what i've what
i've and andern. I've discussed this

606
00:44:01.840 --> 00:44:06.679
before on the podcast many of times. Is generally what surprised us has been

607
00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:09.480
just the depth of the stories,
especially one that the one that you guys

608
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:15.760
did, Bloodlines about the family the
robbery. Yeah, we were both kind

609
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:19.960
of shell shocked by the ending of
the B of the A story and then

610
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:22.440
going into the BA story of that
episode. Oh yeah, because you guys

611
00:44:22.440 --> 00:44:24.719
have such a good and you're writing, you have such a good balance of

612
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:30.239
the serious tones, but also that
Freddie's is still there too. But the

613
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:34.519
A story and B story balance sometimes
it's just so tilting, especially in the

614
00:44:34.519 --> 00:44:38.000
one Monkey Dreams that we had just
watched recently as well. Monkey Dreams was

615
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:42.920
I like her, I like when
the first one's kind of silly and then

616
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:47.599
the second one is really dismantles,
like harsh and sad, because then I'm

617
00:44:47.639 --> 00:44:57.480
like, cool, guess I'll go
to bedroom if I have a memory of

618
00:44:58.280 --> 00:45:01.840
working on The Bloodlines. On set
we had a little girl. We'd cast

619
00:45:01.840 --> 00:45:06.559
a little girl and after the director
was named what was his name was?

620
00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:12.159
Who directed that Gil James? Was
it James? His first name? I

621
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:15.440
remember A guy was a beard.
I remember we had to get the little

622
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:19.920
girl to say something along the line
I hate you Grandma, I want you

623
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:23.400
dead. And getting that little girl
to say the line just the way we

624
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:28.719
wanted to. I found myself stepping
back at one point thinking, what the

625
00:45:28.760 --> 00:45:31.280
fuck is wrong with you? Grown
men? To try to get a little

626
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:34.880
girl to say it is horrible,
say what the fuck is wrong with you?

627
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:37.519
But but finally we got to say
it really good and it was great.

628
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:39.920
Oh it's creepy too, it was
very creepy. So and so far

629
00:45:40.039 --> 00:45:44.440
that's been I think both of our's
top pick for season two. Yeah,

630
00:45:44.880 --> 00:45:52.440
so far is blood blew us away
cool, cool, so gosh, I've

631
00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:57.400
waited so long for the software today. It's one of the biggest things about

632
00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:59.400
doing the show was that I was
like, Wow, I have so many

633
00:45:59.480 --> 00:46:02.519
questions about Freddy's nightmares and there is
no answer anywhere. Yeah, I mean,

634
00:46:02.559 --> 00:46:07.559
even the Never Sleep Again documentary talks
about friends for five minutes, literally

635
00:46:07.639 --> 00:46:10.599
five minutes about Freddy's nightmares, and
it's like okay, because there's like it's

636
00:46:10.639 --> 00:46:14.840
like eight times as long as the
entire film series. You think you could

637
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:17.639
have a few more things to talk
about, and so many Hollywood stalwarts came

638
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:21.000
out of that show. You think
they could get more than just Mick Garris,

639
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:23.159
you know, you think they'd be
able to get a few people who

640
00:46:23.159 --> 00:46:28.480
were involved. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know. I'm mad that

641
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:30.519
this is a bastard step child now
that we've watched so much of it,

642
00:46:30.880 --> 00:46:34.280
well, I've had about it.
I will say a question I did have

643
00:46:34.400 --> 00:46:38.199
for gil So on the How Not
to Make a Movie podcast recently, not

644
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:40.320
recently, it's been it's been a
while ago, but you were talking about

645
00:46:40.360 --> 00:46:44.440
your relationship with Toby Hooper. I
didn't know if you had any stories or

646
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:49.320
anything possibly of that of that pilot
episode by chance, because nowhere, mister

647
00:46:49.400 --> 00:46:51.920
nice guy, I mean, sets
the tone for the series, I think

648
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:53.960
in a very big way, definitely, And I mean just having him at

649
00:46:54.000 --> 00:46:57.679
the helm of that was just super
impressive. I think, well, you

650
00:46:57.719 --> 00:47:00.280
know, Toby, Toby, from
that, they came somewhat of a friend

651
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:04.639
but when we've made Tales from the
Crypt. Yeah, and I would tell

652
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:07.840
you that story about how Alan and
I went back upstairs there was with Toby

653
00:47:07.960 --> 00:47:12.639
and down with different from that going
on, we we really became very very

654
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:16.320
very close friends. I mean we
talked probably every two or three days,

655
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:20.719
I mean for the rest of our
lives to you know, till he passed.

656
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:25.440
And it was it was, I
guessed our mutual respect for each other

657
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:31.000
grew so much. And it started
with Freddy's. And I know initially when

658
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:36.360
I first brought him on to do
Freddy's. You know, he was frightened

659
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:38.239
about the ten days, you know, the ten pages a day and we

660
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:42.840
only had five days, and you
know, and and you know and tell

661
00:47:43.079 --> 00:47:46.440
you he was addicted to Doctor Pepper
and I and I would say to him,

662
00:47:46.480 --> 00:47:51.320
look, I have a case of
doctor Pepper and it's chilled, and

663
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:53.559
you could have him anytime you like, because I know this Doctor Pepper had

664
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:58.639
calvine in it. Yeah, keep
drinking the cafe. And he would always

665
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:00.559
offer me and I go, no, no, no, this you're not

666
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:02.280
for me. I don't need to
be hyped up. I'm hyped up enough.

667
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:07.199
And it would drink to Doctor Pepper
and so well we got on tails.

668
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.440
I had doctor Pepper there. Yeah, And he said to me one

669
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:13.119
day, I said, I don't
understand it. I got a whole case

670
00:48:13.159 --> 00:48:15.519
here, they're there's still like eight
left. And he goes, well,

671
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:23.960
you know, I kind of switched
to sugar free. I said, I

672
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:28.079
got a gotten the sugar free.
Yeah. But that's the kind of guy

673
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:30.800
he was. He was just he
was just the sweetest guy in the world.

674
00:48:30.880 --> 00:48:32.880
You know. He to to make
horror and to do all these scary

675
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:36.280
things and to make change their massacre. You think, oh my god,

676
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:38.800
how does this guy think? And
where's his mind? And his mind?

677
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:44.599
Was one of the sweetest men,
the sweetest guys I ever I ever knew.

678
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:49.639
He just was a really decent person, you know, And I think

679
00:48:49.760 --> 00:48:52.599
there's probably not a day that goes
by that I'll miss him. I really

680
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:57.559
miss him a great deal. Well, way to way to bring the party

681
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:01.000
down. Dam wanted to know.
No, no, I I've heard it

682
00:49:01.039 --> 00:49:06.639
now, but a good way.
No, No, I actually that was

683
00:49:06.679 --> 00:49:08.599
wonderful, Thank you. I was
just one of the running gags on the

684
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:13.400
show is that I pick on Dave
and uh, the people love it,

685
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:15.639
can't you gotta give them what they
want. You know, it's true,

686
00:49:15.719 --> 00:49:22.840
you do and I could do that
too, if you like. I got

687
00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:28.800
the vibe right away, A pick
on you. Uh So if I'm a

688
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:32.559
I would love from either of you. You know, because we were all

689
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:38.559
very shocked to hear when William Freakin
passed away this week. And if you

690
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:43.360
have anything you I know that you
that Gil really wanted him a part of

691
00:49:43.360 --> 00:49:47.760
Tales from the crypt Uh if I
remember correctly, and you were warned that

692
00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:55.519
it was a bad idea because of
Friedkin's interesting, uh negotiation talent attitude.

693
00:49:57.800 --> 00:50:00.760
You know, Billy's a very aggressive
person. He wants what he wants and

694
00:50:01.079 --> 00:50:05.760
he doesn't take no for an answer, and he doesn't suffer for fools period.

695
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:10.880
Uh And you know he and he's
notorious. We're having a very difficult

696
00:50:10.920 --> 00:50:15.039
personality. And oddly enough, the
person who who told Gil that he was

697
00:50:15.039 --> 00:50:17.760
crazy if we need to work with
with Billy Freakin was Joel Silver. That's

698
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.480
not alone is terrified out of me. That would have made me nervous.

699
00:50:22.400 --> 00:50:25.719
Thank god I didn't listen to Joel, And that's right, and I went

700
00:50:25.719 --> 00:50:30.519
ahead. I mean, you know, we're gonna on our podcast next week,

701
00:50:30.559 --> 00:50:36.320
we're gonna do a bit of a
memorial excuse you to Billy and talk

702
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:39.000
a little bit about working with him, and have other people who who work

703
00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:44.519
with him on various shows come in
and talk about their experiences as well.

704
00:50:44.960 --> 00:50:47.280
But especially everyone who who worked on
that episode. Uh, you know,

705
00:50:47.480 --> 00:50:52.840
uh yeah, all of our crew
and uh Sherry Rose will be part of

706
00:50:52.840 --> 00:50:58.559
the conversation. Awesome, and uh
I want to mention that's how not to

707
00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:01.199
make a movie podcast. If you're
listening to this show, you will absolutely

708
00:51:01.239 --> 00:51:06.119
love it. Yes, so please
do check it out. That's a very

709
00:51:06.119 --> 00:51:08.519
important thing I want to get across. Absolutely, I really adore the podcast.

710
00:51:08.599 --> 00:51:12.239
I'm so glad you guys are doing
it. Well, we're we're glad

711
00:51:12.239 --> 00:51:15.519
that you guys enjoyed. You know. It's it's a really it's an inside

712
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:22.840
baseball nuts and bolts look at at
filmmaking and because we're passionate about it and

713
00:51:22.840 --> 00:51:25.360
and it's it's especially easy to talk
about your passion when things go right,

714
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:30.559
but we also like to talk about
your passion when when suddenly things just go

715
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:35.000
wrong, and when suddenly all that
filmmaking crap turns to crap. Yeah,

716
00:51:35.480 --> 00:51:37.760
and you and you honestly expanded it
because this is a great way to wrap

717
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:42.199
up about seven years ago. I
think it was a shout factory put out

718
00:51:42.199 --> 00:51:45.719
the blue rays of Demon Knight and
Bordello Blood special editions, and Hendrick and

719
00:51:45.760 --> 00:51:51.440
I big fans of both those.
We were watching Bordelo Blood back here and

720
00:51:51.559 --> 00:51:58.079
we got to the special features and
just learned basically the the turmoil of that

721
00:51:58.199 --> 00:52:01.119
movie. And more so we were
we're interested because neither of you appeared on

722
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:04.119
that and it was just like,
man, we wanted to hear from you

723
00:52:04.159 --> 00:52:07.639
guys. And now fast forward here
and we've got you both on the show,

724
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:09.199
and it's just it's been an honor, like I just can't. I

725
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:13.440
cannot say that enough. An honor
and a true pleasure. The pleasure is

726
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:16.000
ours, really and truly, thanks
so much, well, thank you for

727
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:20.079
you guys for putting up with all
the technical difficulties we had at the beginning.

728
00:52:20.480 --> 00:52:23.400
You know, it's it's something that
that it's funny. It's it's really

729
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:25.639
easy to let go and go,
well, fuck all, they shouldn't walk

730
00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:29.360
away. But but one of the
things that that actually Gill and I are

731
00:52:29.440 --> 00:52:34.679
teaching ourselves as individuals, but we're
also learning how to do is to not

732
00:52:34.800 --> 00:52:37.960
succumb to that. Yeah, it
really is, because you know, we're

733
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:42.320
we're re engaging. You know,
we're we're about to launch, We've got

734
00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:45.840
more podcasts that we're doing. We're
working on a on a TV streaming series

735
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:52.519
called Are You Afraid That? Uh? If it's it's very much in the

736
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:57.320
Tales from the Crypt spirit. It's
not an anthology, it's it's a it's

737
00:52:57.360 --> 00:53:01.920
a one story. Uh, it's
about flesh eating ghouls and uh, it

738
00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:07.519
will have every bit of wicked fund
that Tells from the Crypt had and characters

739
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:15.480
that you will eat up about bringing
back tell Us from the Crypt and how

740
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:17.400
do you get tell us? That
will never happen because there's the rights this

741
00:53:17.480 --> 00:53:22.559
year with the people who have originally
had it. But we we took that

742
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:27.880
and we basically said, how can
we create a show that would be as

743
00:53:27.960 --> 00:53:32.800
as satisfying to our Crypt audience?
And this are you Afraid? Is that?

744
00:53:34.320 --> 00:53:37.960
And to a whole new audience too, We are you know it's uh,

745
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:44.199
you know it really is about it's
about empowerment in a way, it's

746
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:49.400
about in a in a time as
crazy and fucked up as ours is it

747
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:53.679
really so crazy to want to be
the monster. I like that. We'll

748
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:57.880
leave it on that. Thank you
guys again so much, and remember how

749
00:53:57.920 --> 00:54:00.320
not to make a movie podcast.
Yes, punch it into your phone well

750
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:06.719
but don't break it and uh and
thank you again, Dylan love punches,

751
00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:10.960
love punch. Thank you guys so
much. Well, hey, let let's

752
00:54:10.960 --> 00:54:19.039
do this again. Thanks for listening
to Welcome to prime time of Freddie's Nightmares

753
00:54:19.119 --> 00:54:22.519
Podcast. If you want to send
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754
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:27.599
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755
00:54:27.599 --> 00:54:30.599
And for everything else just go to
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756
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:32.519
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