Dylan's New Nightmare - Freddy Fan Film Review

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Well, hello and welcome back to
Springwood. We are back here with another

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episode of Welcome to prime Time of
Freddie's Nightmares podcast. But we have a

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little bit of a different show for
you this week, just as we're going

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to cover a little piece of bonus
Freddie ephemera in the world of fan films,

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which we don't cover a ton but
you and I have a history of

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watching fan films with varying degrees of
success or failure depending on you know,

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what have you. So this week
we're going to sit down. I'm,

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of course your host Enrique Kuto here
with my good buddy and co host David.

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You are my Dylan's new Nightmare Denoyer
Louis and and we're talking tonight about

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Dylan's new nightmare, a Nightmare on
Elm Street fan film. Yes, and

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this one got a lot of attention, captured a lot of imaginations because it's

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about it's a direct sequel to a
new Nightmare. Wes Craven's a New Nightmare.

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And for those who are somehow not
initiated, I don't know how you

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wouldn't know about a new Nightmare.
But that was the one that went meta.

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That was the one that was like, hey, Freddy is now the

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movies are a thing. But then
Freddie leaves the movies. Although it's not

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really Freddie. It's this ancient evil
that Wes Craven describes. So in this

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one we have the actual original actor. His name was Miko Hughes. Miko

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Hughes. I didn't want to get
it wrong. Miko Hughes returns playing Dylan

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in this I'm gonna put an air
quotes thirty five minute short film. Well,

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the end credits are just super long, and they would be because this

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was funded on indie go Go and
they had a lot of backers to give

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credits to. And that's what yet
you gotta do in two campaigns on indie

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Gogo, because you have the first
one for the initial production of the film

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and then one for the post production
exactly. So, uh, David,

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you want to get us the pertinents, pertinent deets. I'm gonna read the

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synopsis off of IMDb that states Dylan's
New Nightmare is acts as an official,

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unofficial sequel to Wes Craven's New Nightmare, one of the most unique and high

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concept installments to the Nightmare on Elm
Street franchise. This short film picks up

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twenty five years after the events of
New Nightmare and follows Dylan Porter played by

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Miko Hughes, the young son of
Heather langen Camp, now a grown man

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trying to make his way in the
world his parents raised him in Hollywood.

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Little does he know that the evil
entity known as Freddy Krueger is back and

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eager to once again break into our
world through the son of his favorite victim.

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And that is said to be written
by Cecil Laird, who is the

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act director and writer of this film
as well. Right, So, uh,

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what I was mostly just like,
damn, you've already moved out of

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the center of your frame. Oh
let me get back there. You go,

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just we literally just watched them.
We did. I thought about doing a

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live reaction. I decided against it. I don't think it I don't think

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it translates well enough on the podcasts. So we watched the film. My

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first thought was, production values are
good. Yeah, they're great. I

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wouldn't call it great. I mean
I would call them completely good. Yeah,

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like like good enough by a long
shot. Having seen the fan film,

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Like you said, of different calibers
that we have through the years,

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this is a pretty pretty well executed
one in regards of production standpoint, I

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without a doubt, highly competent.
Yeah, yeah, and and and and

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like a lot of these fan films
we've seen, like from wamp Stamp in

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the past, like don't hike alone, Don't hike in the snow, you

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know, never hike alone. It's
got decent to good production. It's got

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tons and tons of cameos, yes, And I mean that's what most of

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this money I think goes to,
is this immense amount of cameos. Yea.

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And not just that these actors are
necessarily very expensive, but they're all

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union well, and union actors cost
a lot of money. And I think

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we should also point out first and
foremost that, of course Robert England did

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not return for Freddy. So this
time we have Dave McCray, who was

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playing Freddy Krueger. People may know
McCray as he's a very big YouTube personality.

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He's done a lot of fan films
as well, played Michael Myers many

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times, and now he's doing this
Freddie short. And overall I didn't think

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he was I didn't think he was
too bad. I mean, I think

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overall he's got the mannerisms down to
Freddie. I think you and I both

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agreed that the downside to it is
just the makeup is a little slighted in

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this one a bit. I thought
his makeup was bad. I thought that

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they had these dark circles around his
eyes. Yeah, and I thought that

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that just doesn't work. No,
I got the at all. Yeah,

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I thought that that didn't sell the
freddiness at all. Uh. It definitely

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looked like a mask. But I've
seen people on Instagram with better mass.

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Yes, And I know I'm being
I'm nitpicking here, but like, you

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didn't have to show you know,
you don't have Robert. Yeah, absolutely,

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so you didn't have to show Freddie
head on. No, you didn't.

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And that's one of the things you
and I said was when they initially

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show him. So to give you
for perspective on the story, Basically,

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we open with Dylan going to an
audition for Hatchett five and he goes into

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the audition room and there's three people
there, one of which is Rick Sloan

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who played Junior in Friday Part five. His name was Rick Sloan. Yeah,

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Ron Sloan. Rick Sloan directed a
hobgob I was gonna say, yeah,

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it's like times like that didn't sound
right. Yeah. Ron Sloan is

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playing this director that's going that's doing
the auditions for Hatchett five. He's known

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as Nick Matthews on the credits.
And basically Dylan goes to do this audition

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and Ron immediately recognizes him and is
like, hey, you look really familiar,

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like, you know, did you
have any association? And he talks

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about his dad because, of course, in the events of New Nightmare,

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his dad got killed by Freddie.
His dad was a special effects effects artist.

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So, and this is where it
gets and not no fault of the

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of the film. This is where
it gets confusing because we're existing in a

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world where Freddie Krueger movies are real, real thing. Yeah, But then

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New Nightmare was never a part of
the series, correct, because New Nightmare

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actually happens. Yeah, and that
can be a little confusing at first.

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I mean and I and again no
disrespect to the filmmakers. I think that's

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just a confusing world to exist in
absolutely for the film, but I an

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interesting one. Yeah. No,
And what goes what basically transpires from here

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is they start having a little conversation. He talks about his dad a little

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bit and talks about working with his
dad, and then brings up Heather langan

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Camp, which is his mom.
And this of course the actual Heather langen

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Camp, even though she doesn't make
an appearance, no, in anyway,

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in any way, but he basically
Dylan says he doesn't want to talk about

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his mom. The guy understands,
and then they go into this audition,

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which is basically Dylan doing a survivor's
monologue about how they're going to beat this

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evil, and you kind of get
this sense that this is him kind of

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getting that trauma back out of New
Nightmare. Yeah. Oh yeah, I

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mean without a doubt, yeah,
because in fact, the exact words the

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casting director references is that he knew
his father, Yeah, and that he

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and his father worked together on Texas
Chainsaw three because his father was a special

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effects artist who it appeared died in
a drunk drive or a sleep not drunk

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driving, a sleep deprived driving accident
in New Nightmare, yea. So basically

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what happens next is he goes through
the monologue for the scene, wins over

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the I gotta get talk, wins
over the director of the scene basically,

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and then casting the casting director,
Thank you, Dave did not take proper

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notes, shut up. And then
basically what happens next is we watch the

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casting director's two partners, one on
each side of them. One shoots themselves,

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the other slits their throat and I've
been in an audition before, That's

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what it's like. And Ron Sloan
just starts laughing maniacally and turns into Freddy

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basically yeah, no, basically no, he literally literally turns into Freddie.

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He basically figuratively, he turns into
Freddie by literally becoming Freddy Krueger. And

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the first depiction of Freddie we get
is not a New Nightmare Freddy, which

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now, which lends to the idea
that this is just a Dylan nightmare and

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that this is not the quote unquote
the Freddie because I like to call him

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a quote unquote because he's like,
he's an ancient evil taking the form of

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Freddy Krueger because so many people have
become afraid of Freddy Krueger. He might

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have taken the forms of the Wendy
Go at one point, he might have

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taken the forms of all these different
things. But now Freddie is the fear.

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Yeah, so in this one,
I read that as, oh,

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you know, that's the old style
Freddie. Yeah, well I didn't.

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At first. I just thought it
was a it was a artistic choice.

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But then a little later on when
Freddie's revealed the Fredd, He's revealed he's

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got the he's got the long coat, he's got the hat, he's he's

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much more like the But I just
I don't know why they decided to go

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with the total black around the guy. It just made him look funny,

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and it made him look more like
he was in a mask. To me,

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it didn't even have any demon feel
to it, like from Freddie versus

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Jason, because I love that shot
when in Freddy versus Jason, when he

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pops out of the water and he's
got that demon look to him. It

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didn't even have that. It was
more so a little New night and he

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was a he had the witch look
going for sure. I mean it was

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definitely sculpted based on that. Yeah, but yeah, the sunken in,

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blacked out eyes just made me think, like he's wearing a mask. He's

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wearing a mask. He's wearing a
mask. And I'm sorry, I'm sure

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that that this actor, this voice
actor, guy David McCray. I'm sure

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that he is very good at many
things. His Freddy voice was just not

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that great to me. Yeah,
it was more so just demon ask it

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was. It was I thought it
was over deepened. Maybe maybe that was

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my problem, but I mean,
I have no room to talk my Freddy

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voices. I mean, it's very
silly. We both have good voices are

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but I I can't pretend that I
was invested heavily once I heard Freddy speak.

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Yeah, I was just kind of
like, okay, well, and

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then, like you and I have
said, the way that they reveal Freddy

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is the act the casting director turns
into him and at first they go from

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the legs and go up, And
at first I thought we were just gonna

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remain, you know, kind of
just with like a torso of Freddy.

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You were hoping they were gonna doctor
claw fred they were gonna they were gonna

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have a profile of him, and
which would be such a smart way to

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do that if you wanted to depict
Freddy without having any effects. Sign up

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on Patreon to find out what that
joke is so funny, but no.

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Basically what happens next is Freddy starts
to terrorize Dylan. He tries to run

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around the audition room and find an
exit. He gets to the door and

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looks up and in New Nightmare fashion, Freddie is now climbing on the walls

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and walking down the wall to Dylan. Yeah, which is what I again,

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normal part of an audition was just
like a couple of people kill themselves

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and you're climbing up the walls.
It's just fucking Tuesdays, man. So

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that ends, and the next scene
we see Dylan is with his therapist basically

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going over what happened, but he
leaves out the key detail of the casting

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director turning into Freddy. He leaves
out Freddy Krueger entirely, which is to

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the story in New Nightmare because they
try to never say Freddy Krueger because they're

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afraid people will think they're crazy and
we'll just blame her being in a horror

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movie. Because that's the whole thing
is they start saying like, did you

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show him your films and all this
and the movie was made? That was

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what I want to say. Yeah, it was New Nightmare. New Nightmare

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was like in the middle of this
concept that like violent movies and violent TV

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shows and all this make your kids
crazy. Yeah, and that's what they

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were kind of playing with there.
Well. And also I mean Miko Hughes

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of course was Gauge creed in pet
Cemetery, so yes, he was a

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very little Yeah, ninety four was
New Nightmare. By the ninety four that

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makes sense. So you know he's
talking to his therapist, who is also

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another alumni from Friday the Thirteenth Part
six. Yea, and the yuppie that

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gets killed on the back of the
vespa, well, she's not. They

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don't die on the she rides in
on a vespa. Remember wait wait Jason

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stabs them while they're on the vespa. Oh wait oh oh yeah, they

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were gonna get out and leave.
Yeah, yeah, I was just thinking

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when they're on the blanket the couple
in the couple just chilling in the woods.

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The extra body count. Yeah,
that that's one of my favorite I'm

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just to pick on Friday the thirteenth
for a second. Oh, but to

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pick on Friday the thirteenth for a
second. I get why so many people

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love Part six, and I enjoy
Part six quite a bit, but Part

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six is not my favorite. One
of the best parts about Part six is

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it's just the laziest with the kill
count. It's just like, so,

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now here's a guy walking through the
woods for a reason. Yeah, now

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here's a couple going into the woods
for a reason. Now here's these guys

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doing a exercise in the woods of
this place for a reason. So yeah,

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the paintball exercise. It's like,
why would they be there? Why

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would they be where their businesses or
something. But anyway, that being said,

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she does a very good job.
Yeah, absolutely, And she's you

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know, trying to shrink to be
Dylan's head shrinker. And that's when we

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start to get the suggestion that his
mother, Heather langing Camps, not played

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by Heather langing Camp. Heather langing
Camp is in an asylum, which was

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kind of the vibe I got when
he was doing the in the audition,

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because he says, he says,
what about your mom? You know how

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you know your mom's Heather langing Camp. He's like, I'd really rather not

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talk about that. Yeah, And
I was like, I immediately leaned to

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you, and I was like,
I think she's in an asylum, you

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know, which makes I mean,
makes perfect sense that she would be driven

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crazy by a real life Freddy Krueger. Absolutely, I mean i'd buy that.

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I'd buy that for a dollar.
So, yeah, that all being

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said, yeah, what what do
we So we go? So we go

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from the therapy to basically Dylan starts
having another nightmare with Freddy, and we

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get a surprise appearance from is it
Rex? I can't remember the name of

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the dinosaur. I believe it was
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New Nightmare, and what happens is
Dylan starts to have another dream of Freddie,

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and what transpires from that is we
get more of Freddie appearing and talking

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to him, but really don't have
really an idea of what's going on in

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the story until we cut back to
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She records some new notes and then
we find out that Freddie New Nightmare Freddie

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has come back. He comes out
of Dylan's bed after an earthquake happens,

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grabs the hat, grabs the coat, Dawn's the whole New Nightmare look,

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and then goes and attacks the therapist
by first what cutting off her arm pretty

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brutally. Yeah, it was very
It's gonna say I was not a humongous

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fan of this film. It like
was a kind of level of like basic

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slashery gore that is not really present
and much much Nightmare content. It's been

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a Walls as I've seen New Nightmare, But if if I remember correctly the

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opening game, I've got more violent. Yeah. The opening gag with the

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with the claw coming alive been killing
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demise is really really disturbing me when
his cratch that that and also the baby,

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the babysitter, the friend her well
but she and she's referential, She's

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getting dragged the walls like in the
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that Freddie's not a gory character.
What I'm saying is that he just slashes

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his arm and her he slashes his
claw and her arm just flops down on

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the ground. Yeah, and I
just felt like that was very matter of

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fact slash her kind of thing.
But it's still it worked. It did

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work, It absolutely did. And
and before this, Dylan has actually tried

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to call the psychiatric hospital and speak
to his mom. But then there's some

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Freddie shenanigans with Freddy heavy breathing on
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lady. Well, yeah, they
start messing with Freddy, starts messing with

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him or his fear of Freddy or
whatever. Yeah, but then they say,

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like, she's not available right now
because she's have I guess would be

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having an episode. Yeah, isolutely. So he kills the therapist, basically

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draws his claws through her heart,
kills her, and then we cut back

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to Dylan, who wakes up the
next morning to his mom calling him,

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and then that's the end of the
movie. And that was the part that

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kind of peeved me up. Yeah, so yeah, the movies now now

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literally what happens is now Freddy's killed
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Dylan's had a couple of nightmares.
I did like the way they had Freddy

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kind of raise up in his bedroom. Yeah, and stuff like that.

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I thought that was pretty pretty cool. But after all of that, he's

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sitting there and we're like, oh, man, Freddy's back, and then

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his phone rings and it's the psychiatric
hospital. And again, nit picking really

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bad. I am not as a
filmmaker for a living. I generally do

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not pick on other filmmakers work.
Yeah, but you guys had a lot

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of money to work with. And
when the when Heather quote unquote calls him,

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her voice doesn't sound like she's on
a phone. Phones lack base,

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they're all they're all hype. Hey, this is shuns on the front.

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That's the way phone sound because the
speakers are small. This sounded like this.

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It was like, Dylan, I'm
here. It sounded muffled instead like

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she was in the other room,
which I didn't like. But it's literally

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like, you know, I forgot
what she even said, but she said

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Dylan, it's it's Dylan, it's
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Yeah. I felt like this film
accomplished so little that I was a

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little annoyed. Well, it's to
be a direct sequel to New Nightmare,

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And as Hendrick said, thirty five
minutes is the kindness. Because I haven't

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pulled off my laptop right now twenty
six or twenty seven minutes and forty three

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seconds or when we get the credits. Yeah yeah, but and but again,

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you know they need to credit everybody, and they put lots of cool

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pictures showing how everybody has a great
time on the set. They were they

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were definitely like, I'm not I'm
not here to shoot on them for having

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a no no. But that all
being said, they accomplished so little.

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It's not they accomplished to me less
than the first act of a film,

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would I agree, well, being
as long as the first act of the

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film, because we have such a
good storyline with New Nightmare, that the

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idea of twenty twenty five years later
with Dylan having this trauma and I mean

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this serious problem that he encountered with
New Nightmare, but like, we didn't

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even touch on it. We have
one scene of him in therapy one seeing

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him trying to get ahold of his
mom, and to be perfectly honest,

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he's he's it's Dylan's New Nightmare.
But I didn't feel a sense of anything

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that made it a direct sequel to
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it's Miko Hughes I mean I like
that we were expec we were exploring the

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world of New Nightmare more, the
idea of a world where Freddy Krueger movies

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are just movies. But then part
seven is real. Yeah. I thought

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that was really fun. I thought
Miko Hughes very good actor. Yeah,

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although I do want to say one
of my pet peeves is why the hell

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would he become an actor? Yeah, that is a little strange. Dad

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died in show business, his mother
went crazy in show business, So what

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does he do becomes an actor?
I'm just shrugging. I literally just went

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back through the film because I was
making sure I didn't miss anything. No,

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we did just give a summary of
the film that is that is all

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it is. And the other problem
is that the short is extremely well paced

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well paid. But when I say
well paced, I mean well paced in

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that it's slow and building. Yeah, and then it's just over. It's

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just over. And I get like
the argument of like, well, they

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leave you wanting more, It's like, no, they left me wanting anything.

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Yeah. I felt like I got
like, a, hey, here's

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Dylan now, zero zero wrap up
of anything, zero closure, And I

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get it. It's like, okay, so what do you like, Okay,

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I'm gonna be grumpy grumpy, but
if it felt like they were leaving

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it open, yeah, so that
what because because here's my grumpy Warner Brothers

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is not going to get have a
flying shit about this short. The only

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thing they're probably worried about is are
you violating fair use? Are you violating

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parody? Are you violating fan fiction
law? But this is not going to

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lead to this being a real movie. And when I say real movie,

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I mean you know, a real
New Line Cinema Warner Brothers production that's canonical

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and blah blah blah blah blah.
It's not going to happen. And I'm

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not That's just the truth. So
what I got from that is like,

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we get basically nothing after two years, two and a half years of raising

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money and talking about it and everything
like that. It's all good. It

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could have taken four years, doesn't
matter. It takes as long as it

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takes. But for it to end
on that cliffhanger, it's like, so,

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am I supposed to hope now that
we raise another hundred and some thousand

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dollars and pray that I get a
little bit more of this in like two

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or three years, I guess.
Also, my point is is with a

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story like this, with that being
your cliffhanger, is that Nancy's calling being

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like, yeah, it's it's your
mom. Okay, Well what does that

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mean? She's still in an asylum. So are they gonna fight Freddy together?

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Are they? I mean, I
don't know, because they didn't even

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have Heather Langenkamp to say those three
words or whatever. But that's not my

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problem to me. I mean,
like that was a good place to end

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on, but it made But my
problem is, and this is happening a

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lot in not just fan films,
but in movies in general. I go

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and I sit down for a film
and I'm and I sit for hours to

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find out that it was never going
to be a complete story. Yeah,

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and that I'm getting tired of it. Well, it's it's frustrating because you

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have, you have a element here
of a story because I you and I've

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talked about New Nightmare at length before, but like, New Nightmare is such

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a good it's such a good film
in regards of what it does with the

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metedness of the of the Nightmare universe, but also it's really a scary,

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fucking movie. Yeah, I know
it makes Freddy scary. Yeah. Yeah,

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And this whole idea of him answering
the phone and being like Dylan,

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it's mom, Okay, that's great
and all. But like, I feel

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like you could have done something with
his character, were to either give him

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like a love interest or give him
somebody. Well, I think that they

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were establishing that he's all alone because
yeah, he's damaged. Yeah, because

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he's traumatic. Yeah, I think
if you want it, if I if

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I was sitting in the editing room
and it was like, here's what we've

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got, how do we fix it? And no one is asked, Yeah,

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no one's asked. But if I
had to come up with a solution

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to this problem, my solution would
be at least have at least have Dylan

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confront Freddie once. Yeah, because
Freddie he never he sees Freddy in a

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dream that's not really Freddie. Yeah, at least have Freddie like walk up

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to Dylan in his dreams and be
like I killed your therapist and then like

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you know, like he does leave
the bloody pat in on the night stanle

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there is But I'm just saying,
like you should have to. I want

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Dylan to look at Freddy dead in
the eyes and go, this is really

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happening again. I am not crazy. I am not all these things,

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And and then that moment where he's
like and now I have no idea what

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I'm going to do. I'm all
alone. No one would ever believe me.

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Phone rings it's his mom. Yeah, that that would be good.

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You know, it would have been
even better if the phone had rang and

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it wasn't even just like Dylan it
your mama would have been like, yeah,

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this is so and so from the
hospital. Your mother woke up from

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a catatonic state just now and she's
only saying your name. So I don't

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know what she's going to say,
and I don't know if it's gonna be

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lucid. But are you are you
prepared to talk to your mother? And

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he'd be like yes, And then
she'd be like Dylan, you know,

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like oh she actually that would have
been it would have been like Dylan.

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What if she was like what if
she was just like it was like this

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long positive like Dylan. He's like, yeah, Mom, She's like I

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think Freddie's back was bom bom bomb. But I get it. They did

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a pretty good job overall. But
I think that this is a problem I

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have with most filmmaking these days,
is I didn't feel like storytelling was the

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focus. I felt like fun and
special effects. And I think it's hypocritical

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to pick on a fan film for
fan service, but like those were the

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focus is not on how interesting.
Yeah, the dichotomy of Dylan's story is

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Now, this is just my opinion
and it's probably wrong, but but that's

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what I thought. So did I
enjoy it? Sure? But was I

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disappointed when it just kind of ended? Well, you and I were both

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like, it's over, like that
I know, I went, I went,

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it's over. Yeah, like I
like knowingly went like I think,

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it just ended, and then the
credits came out. I was like,

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I think, what I think,
what I would have liked to have seen

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from it is if we would have
had more of a troubled nous with Dylan,

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if he would have had like an
episode or something in regards not just

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the nightmare in the beginning audition,
but like if he would have had like

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like like a seizure and had to
take pills or something like something along those

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lines. There wasn't a lot of
drama in him. No, Like I

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mean talking to his therapist was a
good start the Yeah, but yeah,

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it would have been cool to see
him like clearly relying on prescription or even

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non prescription medication. Yeah, it
would have been cool to see something else.

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Well, even the freak out with
the audition. I would have loved

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it if he would have just fallen
asleep and like woken up in the audition

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and like people being like, oh, like yeah, you're clearly like Langen

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Camp's kid or whatever. You know, it would have been an even cooler

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thing. Why couldn't Why Why wasn't
all of it? Because there's no apparent

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reason that Freddy's back right now.
I mean, it just it just it's

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just kind of there's just time,
yeah for Freddie to be back. Why

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couldn't Why why couldn't instead of it
being an audition for Hatchet five, which

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who gives a Ship? And I
love Adam Green as a filmmaker, as

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a podcaster, as a human being. Yeah, but I mean, like,

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who get that's just like a cute
like a thing. Why couldn't it

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have been you know, the the
have you ever heard the term the water

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bottle tours? Like where you go
to you go, you go to all

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these studios and they're like, here's
your bottle of water. They're like,

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tell me about you. Why couldn't
it have been Dylan gets called Dylan.

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He's on hard times, he's an
actor, you know, he's having trouble

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getting work, gets called to go
into a meeting at Warner There you go.

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They want to bring Freddie back,
and they know it's a sensitive topic,

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but they found a script at Wes's
home that would be very cool,

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that would be so fucking cool,
and then they could pull out that script

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that says like that literally has like
Wes's things saying like I want Nancy to

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fight Freddie one last time, last
time, and then and then that's what

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brings Freddie back. Yeah. Is
Freddy's now in his mind full bore.

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Yeah. And it's one of those
things too where it's like if Dylan just

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said like fuck you Warner Brothers,
He's ruining his whole life, Yeah,

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because this is his life story that
they want to turn into a new Nightmare,

406
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into a new Nightmare movie. But
it's like I guess also, it's

407
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like having had David Gordon Green's Halloween
trilogy with twenty eighteen hoween Kills and hoween

408
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ends. We got a sense of
Jamie Lee with Laurie's character being so PTSD

409
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with everything that had happened that she
became a survivor but then changed everything when

410
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she realized that Michael was ruining her
life. I feel like we didn't get

411
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a lot of PTSD with Dylan's character. I feel like it could have been.

412
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There were a lot of opportunities I
felt were missed, But I do

413
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think that it was a little too
matter of fact. I feel like I

414
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feel like there was too much excitement
about, Wow, we are able to

415
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do this, and not enough excitement
about what it should be. Because,

416
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to be honest, dead serious,
the reason that I pitched that we watched

417
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this on the show was I was
excited. Yeah, No, I was

418
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too. I was super amped for
this new Nightmare because I thought that this

419
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was being made out of a passion
for the Dylan story to be told.

420
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Yeah, and after watching it,
I think that the passion was that they

421
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could get me go hues. Yeah. And that's not a dig No,

422
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he didn't great. You can't get
a lot of people who were main character

423
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cast to be in these fan films, so I'm not I'm not digging but

424
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I thought there was so much potential
wasted. Dylan has so much pathos.

425
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:40.920
There's so much pathos in the New
Nightmare movie about family history of insanity,

426
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about about reality versus make believe,
about the effect of life that Art has,

427
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and instead we got like Freddy's back. Yeah, why because he's back,

428
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And then you know, all his
mom called him and I'm sorry,

429
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like I'm very disappointed. I mean, I'm sure they tried their hearts out,

430
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but I'm so disappointed that you couldn't
get that heatherlight in camp wouldn't do

431
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like four lines. But part of
me wonders if she read the script and

432
00:29:03.799 --> 00:29:07.279
went, yeah, and it very
well could be. I think, honestly,

433
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the biggest issue I have with it
is it just does not, like

434
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you said, accomplish anything. It
accomplishes like a little fan service fund,

435
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a little bit of like of like
I'm a horror nerd, you know,

436
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a little bit of like oh,
but then it was over. But it's

437
00:29:18.920 --> 00:29:22.119
like even Rex, even Rex coming
back, like you and I said,

438
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like Rex was just there, like
yeah, yeah, Rex came back right

439
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:26.640
at the end. Yeah, and
then they was also a teaser at the

440
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:30.039
end credits too. But that's a
whole nother story. I just so,

441
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I guess my point is, like, so you left me wanting more of

442
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:37.599
what like another really high budget for
a fan film, fan film that I'm

443
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:41.119
going to wait a few years to
get to see more of this. Why

444
00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:48.680
didn't you just why didn't you just
fly Mico Hughes to somewhere in America where

445
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:53.720
it's cheap to make a movie and
make us an hour long movie with Miko

446
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:59.079
Hughes instead of going to La,
so you could, like so you could

447
00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:02.559
fan fiction your own LA experience and
make a big Hollywood movie. Yeah,

448
00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:06.960
that's and that's that's where I get
grumpy. And I know I'm the old

449
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.720
man of indie cinema at this point, but that's that's my opinion is like

450
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I would have rather had more.
I would have rather had a more more

451
00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:18.640
of a draw. Yeah, and
we didn't get that. We just got

452
00:30:18.680 --> 00:30:21.519
some cool, fun fan service and
it was over. And that's fine too.

453
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:25.279
I think I hope that everybody who
contributed is super happy with it.

454
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Absolutely no, And I mean,
and that's the thing is, I don't

455
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I don't want to put this down
and say don't watch this. It's definitely

456
00:30:29.839 --> 00:30:32.799
worth a talk. Punch it up
on YouTube. It's it's it's literally twenty

457
00:30:32.839 --> 00:30:34.519
seven minutes of your life. And
yeah, it's it's fun. It is

458
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fun, and like the photos of
them doing it and stuff are super fun.

459
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.680
You get to see like that Freddie's
hand was actually was actually Miko Hughes's

460
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:45.720
hand and he like flips the bird
at the camera. It's fun for sure.

461
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:48.960
I just felt like there was so
much opportunity left on the table.

462
00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:52.200
Absolutely. Yeah. So you can
find it on YouTube, but Dylan's new

463
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Nightmareage type it in. You can
find the trailer on there as well as

464
00:30:55.599 --> 00:30:59.039
the full thing, and it's definitely
worth your time. It's a fun one.

465
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But there's a lot of potential there
with how we've been dealing with legacy

466
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:06.880
sequels and a lot lately. That's
just I was amped for this and it

467
00:31:07.079 --> 00:31:10.039
disappointed. Give it a little bit, is it? Maybe it's just time.

468
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:14.000
Maybe we need to run an indie
go go for one hundred grand to

469
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:18.319
do a fan season of Freddie's NaNs
season. Oh my god, and we

470
00:31:18.359 --> 00:31:21.920
will do Freddie as doctor Claude.
He'll just be a glove and an arm

471
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:26.960
and a voice. Maybe that's what
we should do. Yeah, we good,

472
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:30.440
We definitely could. But no,
if you guys, if you guys

473
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want to send us your thoughts on
it, please do. We would love

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to hear them, and even your
thoughts on New Nightmare. Maybe you're not

475
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:37.559
a fan of New Nightmare and this
isn't up your alley at all, but

476
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:41.359
either way, we would love to
hear from you, because these these are

477
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the kind of elements in ephemera that
we dive into sometimes that we both love

478
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:49.119
and regret. I did like it
and see, but this is the thing.

479
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The reason I like Freddie's Nightmare so
much is because so many times they

480
00:31:56.319 --> 00:31:59.839
took advantage of what they had.
Yeah, absolutely in the film. They

481
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add good writers, they had great
actors, and so they told stories that

482
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:07.480
sometimes really matter. Yeah, and
at the very least, we're highly entertaining.

483
00:32:07.519 --> 00:32:10.440
And I felt like this one had
all fluff and it was all about

484
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:15.160
making fans go hell yeah, brother, which it did. Totally yea brother,

485
00:32:15.319 --> 00:32:16.519
I totally did. Yeah, I
do not want you. This is

486
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not a one star movie. This
is like a two and a half star

487
00:32:20.559 --> 00:32:24.119
fan film, which is impressive.
But I just thought there could have been

488
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:28.920
more, and I wanted there to
be more, and I hope that they

489
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:31.079
do get to continue it. I
will. I will watch it, and

490
00:32:31.119 --> 00:32:34.680
if it's great, I will scream
it from the rooftops, but not on

491
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:40.559
podcast because it'll be long dead.
Anything else you want to wrap up with,

492
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.960
No, I feel like I got
across my points. I hope I

493
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:46.480
wasn't a total prick. If anybody
happens to watch this or listen to this,

494
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:50.400
who worked on that film? You
guys did a good job. Yeah,

495
00:32:50.440 --> 00:32:52.359
absolutely, the effects were cool.
I wasn't. I wasn't in love

496
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:54.759
with how Freddie was done, but
I think that could have been solved with

497
00:32:54.839 --> 00:33:00.799
better lighting choices to hide imperfections and
stuff. You and I are hardcore Freddie

498
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.400
fans. So anything that get or
not what are you talking about? What

499
00:33:04.519 --> 00:33:07.880
makes you say? Anything that gets
thrown our way of this ephemera of this

500
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fandom, anything that we want to
check out or is made by fans.

501
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:16.640
I'm curious to see what it looks
like. And this is definitely one that

502
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I would recommend to people. Yeah. Yeah, well thanks for nothing,

503
00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:24.359
David. All right, Well we're
gonna get out of here. We appreciate

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you guys hanging out for a quick
bonus episode. But now it's time for

505
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us to get out of here.
So if you want to email let's reach

506
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out and cut someone, just head
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507
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508
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509
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including signing up the Patreon so you
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510
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ads in video form. Yes,
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511
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We would really appreciate it. And
I think that's about it for right now.

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So get a hold of us and
we'll see you guys next Tuesday.

513
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Right here, un welcome to prime
time and yeah, never sleep again,

514
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sleep again something or something, so
we'll catch you next time. Thanks guys,

515
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Later y'all,