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Hello and welcome to Palace Intrigue. I am your host,
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Mark Francis. A report suggests Meghan Markle may be approaching
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the Sussexes' return to Britain as something of a trial
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run rather than an open-ended relocation. An unnamed source told
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Rob Shooter, Meghan is agreeing to try it, but she
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isn't moving back to Britain. Six months is the test.
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She wants an exit strategy. A representative for Harry and
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Meghan has already told the New York Times that the
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couple themselves do not know exactly how long this chapter
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will last. The representative said, It'll be an extended period
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of time. It could be six months, it could be
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a year, it could be more. I don't think even
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they know yet. The New York Times took a broader
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look at Harry and Meghan's six years in California, and
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its conclusion is that the enormous commercial promise that accompanied
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their arrival never quite materialized. Harry and Meghan arrived in
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California in 2020 with major deals from Netflix and Spotify
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and expectations that their fame could be turned into a
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significant entertainment business. There was one undeniable blockbuster. Netflix says
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the six-part Harry and Meghan documentary generated 23.4 million views
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during its initial release and has now accumulated about 70
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million views, but nothing else from Archibald Productions came close.
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Projects including Live to Lead and Polo failed to match
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that audience, and Netflix chose not to renew the Sussex's
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lucrative overall production agreement in 2025. Instead, according to the Times,
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Netflix shifted them to a much narrower arrangement in which
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they are paid when the streamer actually picks up one
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of their projects. Netflix does, however, continue to pay for
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Archwell Productions' office space at Raleigh Studios in Hollywood. Megan's
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With Love Megan followed a similar trajectory. According to figures
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reported by the Times, Season 1 attracted 6.1 million views.
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Season 2 dropped to 2.3 million, while the Christmas special
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drew 2.6 million. Netflix ultimately decided against another season. The
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streamer also ended its partnership with Megan's As Ever Consumer
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Products business in March. Megan's company is now handling the
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products itself. Then there is Spotify. Harry and Megan signed
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what the Times describes as a $ 20 million deal in 2020. Ultimately,
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Megan produced one 12-episode season of Archetypes. Harry produced no
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series at all. One previously reported detail stands out. According
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to someone close to the couple quoted by the Times,
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one of Harry's ideas during the development process involved travelling
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around the country taste-testing hot chocolate. After the Spotify relationship ended,
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United Talent Agency executive Jeremy Zimmer offered a particularly harsh
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assessment of Meghan's transition into audio. Zimmer said, Turns out
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Meghan Markle was not a great audio talent or necessarily
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any kind of talent. And you know, just because you're
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famous doesn't make you great at something. Leo Brody, a
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Los Angeles cultural historian and author of The Frenzy of Renown,
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Fame and Its History, told the Times, There has always
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been this aura here, this magical thinking. Everybody thinks I'm beautiful,
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I'm handsome. Everybody thinks if those people can make it
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in Hollywood, so can I. If there was an easy
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path to success in show business, there would be a
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lot fewer flops in Hollywood. In the Daily Mail, Alison
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Boshoff reported on a source who is said to have
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known details of the Netflix deal. They said from speaking
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to someone with knowledge of the deal, it looks like
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they've probably managed to maybe keep $ 10 to $ 15 million
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or a touch more purely for themselves over the nearly
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five years. Not bad business, but that kind of money
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doesn't last long with their lifestyle. Netflix paid for the
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production of the tell-all hit documentary series Harry and Meghan
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in 2022, which would have included a big fee for them.
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I guess the money Netflix spent on it works out
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at $ 20 million all in. In the Daily Mail, Andrew
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Lowney asks, The question is no longer how the monarchy
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deals with its wayward family members, but whether it can
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survive being beset by so many of them. This is
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now a crisis unprecedented in the modern history of the
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royal family, stretching back to its reinvention almost 200 years
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ago by Queen Victoria and her consort, Prince Albert. One
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way to establish which of them presents the greatest threat
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is to ask, which is the most to gain from
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the current chaos? And the answer to that is self-evident.
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It is the Sussexes. Harry's return may be occasioned by
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a desire to be closer to a father who may
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not have long to live, but it may also be
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opportunistic to get his feet under the royal table while
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his father is in power and before his brother removes
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the titles and those of his children, Archie and Lilibet.
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If the Sussex brand is to grow, it is imperative
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that Archie and Lilibet remain a prince and princess. The
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monetary value of those titles is incalculable. It might be
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argued that even if the future King William V were
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to banish them, the children would continue to insist on
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their royal handles, but the titles would be devalued. Just
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as the demoted princes and princesses of Russia and Eastern Europe,
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from whose ranks Prince Philip came, were regarded as second-class royalty,
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Archie and Lilibet would never enjoy the glamour that is
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the birthright of their cousins, Princess George and Louis and
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Princess Charlotte. That would be gall and wormwood to the
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Duke and Duchess, assuming they still were a Duke and Duchess.
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They have evidently realised this and decided that they need
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to return to the fold. For the next few months,
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at least, all the talk will be of Harry and Meghan.
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No one will be looking at the other royal miscreants,
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unless Andrew becomes the focus of more revelations about Epstein,
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or his former role as the UK's special representative for
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international trade and investment. But if the assorted villains of
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the family, some less petty than others, are glad of
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the distraction, the Prince of Wales has been confronted with
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an unenviable and unexpected dilemma. William detests his brother so
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deeply that it is said he refuses to have Harry's
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name spoken in his presence. Yet how will he be
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able to strip the Sussexes of all their baubles when
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he becomes king if their father has publicly forgiven them?
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Meghan will have more difficulty in winning over the public,
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many of whom retain an affection for her husband despite
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his actions over the past five years. Last month's poll
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showed around 22% of respondents viewed her favourably. But the
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couple have a formidable PR machine and must hope that
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Attitudes within the family and country will eventually change, perhaps
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helped by a wave of sympathy with the 30th anniversary
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of Princess Diana's death next August. More palace in just
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a moment. Angela Levin, who has written the biography of
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Queen Camilla, says Harry and Meghan's return to Britain could
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create a particularly difficult challenge for the Queen. Camilla has
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spent decades learning how to handle difficult periods inside the
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royal family, but Harry remains a uniquely complicated part of
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the history. She recalls that when Camilla married Charles in 2005,
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she was so worried about the public reaction that she
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initially did not want to get out of bed on
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the morning of the wedding. According to Levin, Camilla feared
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crowds might jeer or even throw rotten fruit before her sister.
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Annabelle Elliot persuaded her to face the day. Levin believes
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the experience helped establish Camilla's approach to royal life, keep going,
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avoid public confrontation. and support Charles. She says Camilla also
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tried to help Meghan when she joined the family in 2018.
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According to a friend of Camilla quoted by Levin, the
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Queen invited Meghan to private lunches and offered advice about
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handling the pressures of royal life, but Meghan was not
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particularly receptive. The relationship with Harry became much more difficult
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after the Sussexes left royal duties. Levin points to Harry's
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comments about Camilla while promoting Spare. In his interview with
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60 Minutes, Harry described her as dangerous because of her
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relationship with the press and called her a villain. Harry
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also said, Levin says those comments were deeply hurtful given
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Camilla's years of royal service. She also makes a new
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claim about Harry and Meghan's meeting with Charles at Highgrove
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in July. According to Levin, Camilla insisted on attending the
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meeting despite what she describes as Harry and Meghan's displeasure
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about her presence. She believes Camilla will now follow much
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the same approach the late queen often used during family disputes,
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avoid responding publicly and continue with the job. Levin writes
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that Camilla and Charles will likely swallow whatever comes their way,
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relying on their relationship and their commitment to royal duty.
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