Cross Lab

Cross Lab

Cross Lab is where trial attorneys get hands-on with the art of constructive cross-examination.

Hosted by career actors and expert storytellers Steve Hohman and Olivia Espinosa—who’ve played mock witnesses in over 1,500 cross-examinations—this podcast is packed with the POV you’re missing and won’...

Recent Episodes

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May 29, 2025

Crossing The Angelic Defendant

Hosts Steve Hohman and Olivia Espinosa are joined by personal injury attorney Susie Injijian, as well as actor and writer Sara Taylor. Watch as Susie cross-examines Sara, portraying a sympathetic kindergarten teacher whose vehicle struck a Guatemalan-born pedestrian. Listen in as Susie challenges Sara, and we break down how to confront bias in the courtroom. What’s covered in this episode: Talking ‘money grab’ and other biases in voir dire Who to call to the stand when the damages aren’t vis
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May 15, 2025

The Cop That Saw Nothing

Hosts Steve Hohman and Olivia Espinosa are joined by criminal defense and civil rights attorney Bruce Ringstrom, and plaintiff’s personal injury attorney Fred Bryant. Watch as they put Officer Brown (played by Steve) on the stand and challenge his version of events to prove their client did not knowingly help her son evade arrest. This episode is based on a real case from a listener looking for new perspectives on their upcoming trial. To submit your case for an upcoming episode click HERE! W
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May 1, 2025

The “It’s All About Me" Witness

Hosts Steve Hohman and Olivia Espinosa are joined by personal injury and family law attorney Shane Henry, as well as noted TV, film and theater actor, producer and director Jean Bruce Scott. Watch as Shane cross-examines Jean, who plays this episode’s mock witness—a devoted grandma testifying on behalf of her son who’s seeking primary custody of his 2 children. Shane challenges Jean’s claims in this masterclass of constructive cross-examination. What’s covered in this episode: The funnel that
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April 17, 2025

Cross Pollination: Storytelling that Makes a Difference—From Prison to the Courtroom

We’re calling this special episode of Cross Lab…Cross Pollination! Hosts Steve Hohman and Olivia Espinosa are bringing together their community of theater makers and professional storytellers for a powerful conversation. Our guests—Cecelia Kouma, Mabelle Reynoso, and Arturo Medina from Playwrights Project—are producers, actors, playwrights, and educators who teach playwriting in prisons. Tune in as they share their work, their wisdom, and storytelling techniques that can transform how you bui
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April 3, 2025

Expert with no expertise

In this episode of Cross Lab, hosts Steve Hohman and Olivia Espinosa are joined by plaintiff’s attorney Federico Lathrop and estate and trust attorney Mike Hackard. Watch as they cross-examine Steve, who plays an occupational consultant and defense expert witness. They’ll challenge his opinion on the employability of the plaintiff, whose medical assessments reveal severe limitations that impact his ability to work. Instagram: @hackard_law @fedelawyer What’s covered in this episode: How to bal
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March 21, 2025

Emotionally charged divorced couple with Bibi Badejo

In this episode of Cross Lab, hosts Steve Hohman and Olivia Espinosa are joined by barrister and advocacy coach Bibi Badejo. Watch Bibi cross-examine both Steve and Olivia, who portray a divorced couple where neither party has clean hands. Bibi skillfully challenges each of their stories and their roles in a complex, multi-suit case involving large sums of money, kids and old wounds. What’s covered in this episode: The foundation you can lay that boxes any witness in—and pays off big time A g

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