April 27, 2026
Supermassive Black Holes, Voyager's Journey & Gravitational Waves Explained | Q&A
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Supermassive Black Holes, Voyager 1, and Gravitational Waves In this engaging Q&A episode of Space Nuts, hosts Andrew Dunkley and Professor Fred Watson tackle a variety of intriguing audience questions that span the cosmos. From the formation of supermassive black holes to the journey of Voyager 1 and the nature of gravitational waves, this episode is filled with cosmic curiosities and scientific insights.
Episode Highlights:
- Formation of Supermassive Black Holes: Martin from Merseyside sparks a fascinating discussion about the mechanisms behind the formation of supermassive black holes. Andrew and Fred Watson explore the gravitational instability theory and the contrasting processes that could lead to the creation of these colossal entities in the early universe.
- Voyager 1's Journey: Andy, our favourite train driver, raises an interesting question about whether the particles in space could slow down Voyager 1 as it travels at 38,000 miles per hour. The hosts clarify the nature of space and the spacecraft's trajectory, highlighting the vast emptiness of interstellar space and the spacecraft's remarkable speed.
- Gravitational Waves Explained: Ben from Kent asks a thought-provoking question about the nature of gravitational waves produced by colliding black holes. Andrew and Fred Watson delve into whether these waves are spherical or flat, providing clarity on how they propagate through the fabric of spacetime.
- Thought Experiments on Earth's Rotation: Judd from Brisbane brings up the current speed of Earth's rotation and its effects on gravity. The hosts discuss the fascinating implications of Earth's spin on weight, including the differences between the equator and the poles, and what would happen if Earth suddenly stopped rotating.
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Show Notes
Supermassive Black Holes, Voyager 1, and Gravitational Waves In this engaging Q&A episode of Space Nuts, hosts Andrew Dunkley and Professor Fred Watson tackle a variety of intriguing audience questions that span the cosmos. From the formation of supermassive black holes to the journey of Voyager 1 and the nature of gravitational waves, this episode is filled with cosmic curiosities and scientific insights.
Episode Highlights:
- Formation of Supermassive Black Holes: Martin from Merseyside sparks a fascinating discussion about the mechanisms behind the formation of supermassive black holes. Andrew and Fred Watson explore the gravitational instability theory and the contrasting processes that could lead to the creation of these colossal entities in the early universe.
- Voyager 1's Journey: Andy, our favourite train driver, raises an interesting question about whether the particles in space could slow down Voyager 1 as it travels at 38,000 miles per hour. The hosts clarify the nature of space and the spacecraft's trajectory, highlighting the vast emptiness of interstellar space and the spacecraft's remarkable speed.
- Gravitational Waves Explained: Ben from Kent asks a thought-provoking question about the nature of gravitational waves produced by colliding black holes. Andrew and Fred Watson delve into whether these waves are spherical or flat, providing clarity on how they propagate through the fabric of spacetime.
- Thought Experiments on Earth's Rotation: Judd from Brisbane brings up the current speed of Earth's rotation and its effects on gravity. The hosts discuss the fascinating implications of Earth's spin on weight, including the differences between the equator and the poles, and what would happen if Earth suddenly stopped rotating.
For more Space Nuts, including our continuously updating newsfeed and to listen to all our episodes, visit our website. Follow us on social media at SpaceNutsPod on Facebook, Instagram, and more. We love engaging with our community, so be sure to drop us a message or comment on your favourite platform.
If you’d like to help support Space Nuts and join our growing family of insiders for commercial-free episodes and more, visit spacenutspodcast.com/about.
Stay curious, keep looking up, and join us next time for more stellar insights and cosmic wonders. Until then, clear skies and happy stargazing.
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Hello again, thanks for joining us on Space Nuts, where
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we talk astronomy and space and science all at the
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same time. This is a Q and A episode. My
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name is Andrew Dunctor, your host. Great to have your company.
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Coming up audience questions. We're going to answer a question
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from Martin about super massive black holes. Ben has also
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got a question about black holes and gravitational waves. And
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the Favorite train driver is on about a voyager one,
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and Judd has some thought experiments for us. We'll check
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it all out on this episode of Space.
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Space Nuts Guy or three two one Space Nuts.
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As when I reported Neil's good.
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And back to unravel, unpack and solve all of that
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is Professor Fred Watson, Astronomer at Large. Hello Fred, Hello Andrew,
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very good to see you. Good to see you too.
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I've still got my crochie voice. In fact, I've been
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so unwell. I'm still wearing the same clothes as I
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was last week.
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Well there you go, funnily enough, so am I?
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Yeah? Well what a coincidence? Shall we get down to business?
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Why not?
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All right to do so? Yeah, Now we've got some
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text and audio questions we'll go text first today and
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forgive my rather unreliable voice as I work my way
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through this. Hi Fred and Andrew. It's Martin here from
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Heswall on the We're all in Merseyside. I posted a
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question before and Fred mentioned that he knew Barnston, which
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is just a pleasant walk over the fields from here.
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I have a question about your favorite topic, black hole.
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I thought it was going to be golf black holes.
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I'm interested specifically in the process of their formation, and
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more particularly in super massive black holes. The mechanism for
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the creation of stellar mass black holes seems to be
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well understood, but I find it hard to believe that
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this can be the same way that super massive black
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holes in the early universe were formed. I've read that
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the gravitational instability theory posits that black holes can be
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formed directly when a massive cloud of matter collapses under
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its own gravity. Why is it not possible that there
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can be two processes at work depending on the size.
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For me, part of the evidence in supporting in support
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of invoking gravitational instability is the lack of evidence for
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the existence of intermediate mass black holes. What are the
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arguments against this theory as it does seem to be
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that widely It doesn't seem to be that widely accepted.
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If black holes are created in two completely different ways,
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what effect would this have on their properties? For instance, charge, spin, etc.
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I really enjoy listening to the show. It helps me
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keep up to date with the world of science, space
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and stuff. That's our slogan. Ha, well done, well done, Martin,
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that's our slogan. Yeah. Look, that's a really good question.
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And we only talked in the last episode about the
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different theories about how black holes are formed and the
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possible discovery of primordial black holes. So if you haven't
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heard that episode, wind back because it's worth listening to
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that story. But yeah, it brings up an interesting point.
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How can it be the same process for a super
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massive black hole versus another one, a smaller one.
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Yeah? So, I mean Martin's hit on one of the
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key questions at the moment in astrophysics and cosmology. So
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he's right up to date there, sure is. Because this
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idea of the super massive black holes in the early universe,
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for directly as a direct result of a cloud of
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gas collapsing without having to go through the mechanisms forming
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a star and then the star is basically exploding to
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form a black hole. That's quite new, and that might
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be why, as Martin says, it's not yet sort of
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considered to be mainstream, but it is very much an
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up and coming idea and theory that answers the criticism
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that the conventional theory has, and that is, conventionally, scientists
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have assumed that super massive black holes are created over
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long periods of time by the accretion of material, So
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we know how a stellar mass black hole is formed
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exactly as Martin mentioned. We understand that a massive star
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explodes at the end of its life when the fuel
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balance runs out. The outer layers are shed off and
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a super and over remnant and the center, basically the
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central core, collapses to be the black hole, which is
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a point with zero dimensions, a point where density is infinite,
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so that the conventional method says you start off with
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lots of those in a galaxy and they eventually accrete
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to form a bigger object, mixing with stuff that's sucked
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in on the accretion disc as well. That might include
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a few odd black holes dropping in to form eventually
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a super massive black hole. But the problem has been
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how do you manage to do that in less than
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a couple one hundred million years, which is you know
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where the earliest super massive black holes are after the
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Big Bang. We know about those because we can we
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measure them by look at using the James Webb space telescope.
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It's measured I think several objects within maybe two hundred
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and fifty million years after the Big Bang. In other words,
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we're looking back almost thirteen point eight billion years thirteen
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point six or something like that. How did they form
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so quickly? If that's the mechanism, and that's why this
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alternative mechanism of direct collapse from an interstellar from a
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not interstellar because there were no stars then, but from
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a primordial gas cloud might have occurred. And as I
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understand it, the idea of primordial black holes postulated, this
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is what we talked about last week or the last episode,
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postulated by Stephen Hawking in visage that there would be
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a very very wide range of masses of black holes,
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ranging from things less than the mass of the Sun.
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As we reported in the last episode. We think we've
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found one of those now to a supermassive black holes.
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I think that is all within the purview of Hawking's
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theory of primordial black holes. And so the question, you know,
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maybe the fact that we're finding the supermassive black holes
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too early in the universe might to have been formed
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by stuff coming together, might be a support for the
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Hawking theory that maybe some of these were actually formed
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immediately after the Big Bang.
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Wow, wouldn't that be interesting?
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And there was something about something that Martin mentioned about intermediate.
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Yeah, he said, for me, part of the evidence in
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support of invoking gravitational instability is the lack of evidence
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for the existence of intermediate mass black holes, although they're
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the ones we were talking about recently.
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That we now have discovered, have we not, Yes, but
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there's still normally there still seem to be yes, much
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error than the super massive black holes or the stellar
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mass black holes which exist in profusion, intermediate mass black
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holes have been quite hard to find.
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Up.
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Yeah, I mean, you know, what Martin says is right,
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that might point to the idea of gravitational instability. In
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other words, sort of primordial type black holes as being
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the formation that might point to that. And so I
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don't think there's an issue there. But yes, his final question,
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if black holes are created in two completely different ways.
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What effect would that have on their properties? For example,
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for instance, charge, spin, et cetera. Now, in fact, the
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only properties of a black hole that you can observe
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are the charge in the spin as well as the mass,
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and that that's because of something that you and I
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might have mentioned before. Andrew something called the no hair theorem,
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which I'm very fond of, if you can guess, and
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no hair theorem basically says that there's you know, there's
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virtually nothing of the black hole's characteristics that you can
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see from the outside. It's like suggesting a baldness of
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the of the black hole the event horizon. It doesn't
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give much away. Charge and spin are I think, I
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think only the only two apart from mass. Now I
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don't know the answer to that. Would there be any
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difference in those properties for two different methods of black
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hole formation. Thanks a really good question, and it's something
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that I probably should have a look at and see
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if I can find out.
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Yeah, I thought i'd look up no hair theorem to
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see what happened, and I didn't get an ad for
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a hair pill. It actually took me. It actually took
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me to the to the to the no hair theorrem
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the no hair theorem a bit of black holes. Yeah,
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so they go the internet actually worked. Yes, nice change,
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nice change, and a nice question, Martin. Thanks for sending
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that to us. Hopefully that helped you sort a few
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things out. But yeah, there's still a lot of theory
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around black holes yet to be proven. But we're chipping
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away at it. We are chipping away at it. Not
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me personally. I leave that to other people who are
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more astute. Thanks for sending it in. Our next question
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comes from our favorite train driver. His name is Andy.
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Train driver. Here, just a question for you on Voyager one.
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I know that he's currently traveling about thirty eight thousand
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miles per hour, and it's very low on fuel, and
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the fuel is used for the thrusters to point in
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the Santana's back to Earth. And I know that space
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is not empty. There's particles and space dust. So, because
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he've got such a long journey before he reaches anything significant,
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would the particles in space slow it enough to bring
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it to a halt, Because as far as I'm aware,
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it's got about forty thousand years before it reaches something significant.
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So is that a long enough time? Would you say
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to maybe not bring it to a halt, but to
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slow it significantly that it really does increase that timescale.
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Sorry if that doesn't make much sense. Thanks for your podcast, guys,
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really enjoy it.
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Speak to you soon.
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Bye. Thank you, Andy, Hope, Aul as well on your
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daily commute. Although you're the driver, so you just drag
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everyone else around. What a great job, right, okay? Voyager
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one thirty eight thousand miles an hour. Is there enough
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material to ultimately stop it because it's going to run
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into a few things here and there. Possibly, But I
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would question the spread of the dust when you get
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out into those interstellar places. The amount of material fins
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out significantly, doesn't it?
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Yeah, very much. So there is still you know, there
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are still atoms there or nucleari probably part of sub
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atomic particles.
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But it's not.
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It's not enough to significantly slow the spacecraft. It's you know,
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you're basically, to all intents and purposes, it's moving through
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a vacuum. It's I was thinking kilometers per second. Its
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current speed is sixteen point nine two zero kilometers per
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second relative to the Sun.
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Sixty one thousand kilometers an hour, seventeen kilometers a second
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dish thirty eight thousand mile Now, yep, it's going. It's fast.
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It is the speed I like is in units of
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astronomical units per year, and that is three point three
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point six nearly three point five six nine, So three
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times a year, it covers the distance from the Earth
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to the Sun.
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Yeah.
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Yeah, that's one hundred and fifty million kilometers.
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Sure is that's that's amazing, isn't it. And it's still
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going strong.
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Yeah, so, and it's right. I think the fuel's low.
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But the fuel is just for the thrusters. It's just
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to keep the antenna pointed towards Earth.
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So yeah, and he said it might come across something
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in about forty thousand years. I thought when we talked
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about this last that it could just keep going. It
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might not run into anything.
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Yeah, simply because it's not aimed at anything. And space
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is very empty. Even though there's a you know, four
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hundred billion stars in the Milky Way or whatever. The
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Milky Way is very very big, indeed, and it's look,
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it's it's distances. I think. I think the olds are
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that it will keep going forever. It might be captured
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by the gravity of another star. I think the notion
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of a collision is vanishingly small. I've just statistics just
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come into my head that I used to use a
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lot to give people the idea of just how big
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the galaxy is. And I'm sure you and I have
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discussed it too. If you imagine a diagram of our
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galaxy that was the size of the Earth, so twelve
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and a half a thousand kilometers in diameter, that's your
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map of the galaxy the size of the Earth. The
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separation from the Sun to the Earth on that scale
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is two millimeters. That tells you that the galaxy is very,
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very large compared with the size of the Solar System.
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That's just mind boggling stuff. It's really easily. And the
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other thing, I suppose we talk about the odd cloud,
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which is this thing around our Is it around the
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Solar system, around a galaxy? Apparently it's around the solar
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systolic system. They reckon it's going to take three hundred
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years for Voyager one to reach that. That's right, that's right,
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that it's a long which means it still hasn't really
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left our Solar system.
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In real terms, I'm not even sure that it will
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be three hundred years because the oak Cloud is about
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