April 19, 2026
Planetary Orbits, Cosmic Expansion & The Nature of Nothing | Space Nuts Q&A
Planetary Orbits, Cosmic Expansion, and the Nature of Nothingness In this thought-provoking Q&A episode of Space Nuts, hosts Andrew Dunkley and Professor Fred Watson tackle a diverse array of listener questions that delve into the intricacies of our universe. From the stability of planetary orbits to the enigmatic concept of nothingness before the Big Bang, this episode promises to enlighten and intrigue.
Episode Highlights:
- Planetary Orbits vs. Energy: Justin from Melbourne asks how planets maintain stable orbits around the sun without spiraling inwards. Andrew and Fred explore the negligible forces at play in interplanetary space, discussing the stability of planetary dynamics and the historical migrations of planets within the solar system.
- Expansion of Earth: Larry questions whether the Earth is expanding along with the universe. The hosts clarify that while space itself is expanding, the forces that hold the Earth together, such as gravity, prevent any significant changes at a local scale.
- The Concept of Nothingness: Mike from the UK raises a philosophical query about what existed before the Big Bang. Andrew and Fred discuss the implications of time and existence, examining the idea that time itself may have begun with the Big Bang and the theories surrounding this profound mystery.
- Projectiles in Space: Giles presents a fascinating "what if" scenario regarding the accuracy of firing solid metal projectiles from orbit. The hosts analyze the challenges of targeting and the influence of atmospheric conditions, drawing parallels with historical warfare and modern technology.
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Episode Highlights:
- Planetary Orbits vs. Energy: Justin from Melbourne asks how planets maintain stable orbits around the sun without spiraling inwards. Andrew and Fred explore the negligible forces at play in interplanetary space, discussing the stability of planetary dynamics and the historical migrations of planets within the solar system.
- Expansion of Earth: Larry questions whether the Earth is expanding along with the universe. The hosts clarify that while space itself is expanding, the forces that hold the Earth together, such as gravity, prevent any significant changes at a local scale.
- The Concept of Nothingness: Mike from the UK raises a philosophical query about what existed before the Big Bang. Andrew and Fred discuss the implications of time and existence, examining the idea that time itself may have begun with the Big Bang and the theories surrounding this profound mystery.
- Projectiles in Space: Giles presents a fascinating "what if" scenario regarding the accuracy of firing solid metal projectiles from orbit. The hosts analyze the challenges of targeting and the influence of atmospheric conditions, drawing parallels with historical warfare and modern technology.
For more Space Nuts, including our continuously updating newsfeed and to listen to all our episodes, visit our website. Follow us on social media at SpaceNutsPod on Facebook, Instagram, and more. We love engaging with our community, so be sure to drop us a message or comment on your favorite platform.
If you’d like to help support Space Nuts and join our growing family of insiders for commercial-free episodes and more, visit spacenutspodcast.com/about.
Stay curious, keep looking up, and join us next time for more stellar insights and cosmic wonders. Until then, clear skies and happy stargazing.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/space-nuts-astronomy-insights-cosmic-discoveries--2631155/support.
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Hi there, Thanks again for joining us. This is Space
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Nuts a Q and A Edition. My name is Andrew Dunkley,
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your host. It's good to have your company. A Q
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and A edition means that people ask us questions and
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we don't do anything about it except try to answer them.
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Justin has sent a question in about planetary orbits versus energy.
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He doesn't quite get what's going on there. Larry is
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asking about whether or not the Earth is expanding in
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relation to the universe expanding. Giles wants to talk about
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solid metal projectiles in a what if question, and Mike
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wants to talk about nothing for fifteen seconds. Guidance is
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in channel ten nine ignition sequence Space Nuts Guy or
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three two one spacenutes as can I report it? Bill's
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good and back to share his wealth of knowledge with
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us is Professor Fred Watson, an astronomer at large. Hello Fred, Hello,
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an't true?
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That's a nice word.
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Is wealth?
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Isn't it wealth?
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Yes?
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Yes, the knowledge is fine, but do make you wealthy?
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No, it doesn't does it does not unless you know
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what to use it for. Yes, that's right, Yes, never mind,
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Let's let's get some questions sorted out because we've got
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a batch of really really good ones again today, and
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our first question comes from Justin.
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Hello, Fred and Andrew, it's Justin down in Melbourne. Thank
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you for answering my first question earlier this year. I
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have another question now, which relates to the Solar System.
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We're told that classical physics can't explain the existence of
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the assom because negatively charged particles orbiting a positive nucleus
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would lose energy and spiral in towards a nucleus. And
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of course we need quantum mechanics to explain the atom stability.
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But by extension, I was thinking about the Solar system.
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How is it that the planets maintain orbits around the
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Sun without losing energy and spiraling in towards the Sun.
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If you think about that classic demonstration with the rubber
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sheet and the bowling ball with some marbles, the marbles
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will orbit the bowling ball, but then very quickly lose
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energy and find themselves next to the bowling ball. And
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of course that's due to the friction of the rubber sheet.
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But I'm assuming there's a frictional component even in interplanetary space.
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But is it the fact that that really is negligible
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even on geological time scales and wouldn't cause the planets
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to lose energy. So perhaps you can walk us through
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how that works. And my second question is to do
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with the fact that the planets themselves obviously gravitationally interact,
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and perhaps there are some resins and is there as
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well which can cause planets to move either further away
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from the Sun, as Jupiter is supposed to have done
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in its lifespan. So, given that the Sun is at
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the halfway point in its life, do we foresee any
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radical restructuring or reshuffling of the planets in the Solar
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System in the Sun's second half of life. I love
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the podcast and I hope you can share some insights
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on that one.
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Thank you. We will do our very best. Actually I
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won't do anything, thank you, justin I'll end it all
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over to Fred. So two questions really interesting, both of
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them planetary orbits versus energy. Why don't they sort of
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slow down and fall in like you do with the
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old bowling ball on a rubber mat trick and the
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planet's reshuffling as the Sun gets older? Will do them separately?
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It's a good question. I don't know if we've had
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this one recently. We might have had it before. But
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what keeps them keeping on for it?
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Well, they do, They just keep on keeping on. So
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just Justin's right in that, Yes, the thing that sends
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the marble down to the bowling ball on the rubber
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sheet is the friction of the of the rolling phenomenon.
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All sorts of frictions come in. There's a bit of
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air braking as well with that, not much, but and
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that that's what leads to that situation. In the Solar System,
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there's very little to provide any kind of friction, if
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at all. The I mean, the outward pressure of the
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solar wind is in terms of planetary dynamics, exerts a
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negligible force that the force actually does affect small objects
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like asteroids. We've discussed recently how the Sun's red can
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speed up the spin of asteroids. That's an effect to
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his name, I can't remember, but that's the case.
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So it's.
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Essentially a situation where you've you've set these things in
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motion and the speed of rotation determined or revolution determined
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how far away they are from the Sun's We are
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in a very stable era in the Solar System, and
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they should just be able to go on forever rotating
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in their orbits to sort of lurch towards the second
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part of Justin's question. Yes, there probably have been migrations,
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we believe of planets from one orb bit to another.
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stable we have, yeah, and probably for the second half
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of the Sun's life, things will remain much as they
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are now. The Moon's drifting away from the Earth, we
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know about that. That's because it's losing energy or gaining
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it sorry, gaining energy from the slow down of the
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s rotation that pushes it further and further out. But
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in terms of the planets, there isn't anything really similar
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going on. The Sun's mass is by far the biggest component,
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by a huge amount, of the mass of the Solar System,
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and Jupiter's mass is by a huge amount the biggest
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component of the mass of the planets. So Jupiter certainly
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calls the shots, and that's why we've got an asteroid
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belt where we have, because it probably Jupiter's gravitational interaction
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with the debris disk from which the planets formed probably
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sort of stymied the idea of things sticking together. Well,
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as soon as protoplanets stuck together, they or as planet
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Isi wal stuck together, that they got blasted apart by
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the gravitational pull of Jupiter and probably collisions as well.
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So the history of the Solar System is probably dominated
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in its early era by planetary orbits evolving, and that's
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just because the density of material. There's still a lot
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of debris left in the dust disk, there's a lot
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of collisions carrying taking place, and perhaps some gravitational instabilities
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that just needed to get themselves sorted out. Justin mentioned resonances,
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and there are many situations like that in the Solar System.
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There's a group of asteroids called the Hilda asteroids, which
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are in the main asteroid belt, but they have a
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resonance with Jupiters. So for every three orbits of a
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Hilda asteroid, you get two orbits of Jupiter. So every
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three a filled and two of Jupiter.
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There. Yes, we talked about this before and that didn't
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we find some weird ex planet that had like eight planets.
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Yes, that's right, Yes, that's one. I think that's the Trappist.
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I think it's one of the trappest planetary systems. Yes,
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and it's got that they're all in neat orders because
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they're all in resonance, and that that's something that's evolved,
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you know, probably quite early on in the history of
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that planetary system. You've got this array of planets that
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do pull themselves into resonant orbits. Now resident there aren't
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really resonances between the planets except that Pluto is in
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resonance with Neptune. I can't remember. That might be three
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to two as well, for every three orbits of Neptune
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two of Pluto. You might need to check what those
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numbers are. But it is a resonance. It's called a
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resonant object, and so that's come about over time. Neptune
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is much more dominant than Pluto in its gravitational pool, so.
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It is a three it's a three to two resonance. Yeah.
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Yeah, so that's a fairly common one. So, yes, it
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does happen. But the way things are now is they're
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very stable. They've evolved over four point seven billion years,
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and they're pretty happy with the way things are.
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I think. Yeah, it's fascinating, isn't it. You mentioned that
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effect of the Sun on asteroids. There's actually two effects.
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There's the yorp effect. Yeah, that's the sport in four
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names four yes, and the Yarkovsky effect, which is where
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the Sun heats the asteroid up, which causes it to
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emit heat, which acts as a tiny thruster which accelerates
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its orbital speed. Yeah.
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But these are you know, these are the tiny bodies
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of the Solar System. So they're they're orbits are evolving,
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that suggests, but they very much the you know, they're
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not planets.
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No, definitely not. So there's basically nothing stopping the planets
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from just doing what they're doing forever until the Sun
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gives up and says all right, I've had enough of
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you lot and gets too big for itselves. Yes, so
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nothing to worry about. Justin, you can go to work tomorrow.
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Oh I heard him say, thanks for the question. Justin.
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Lovely to hear from you. Our next question comes from Larry.
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I know we've been down this road before, actually, but
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it's a great question. Larry asks, is space. If space
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is expanding, then is the Earth also expanding? By how much?
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And would it be measurable?
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Now?
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I seem to remember a conversation we had a long
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time ago about the fact that as the universe expands,
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everything's expanding with it and moving further and further away,
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and we're going to reach a point where it will
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expand so much that we won't be able to see
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anything because everything we're just too far away for the
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light to reach us. But I think I did ask
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you the question as to whether or not my next
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door neighbor's house will be moving away from me, and
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the answer was yes, wasn't it.
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No, it's no, it's no right, you stuck with them,
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I'm afraid. Yeah, so you're right that the space occupied
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by the Earth is expanding, but it's you know, it's
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not even microscopic, it's a sub atomic level over even
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geological lifetimes, probably because it's such a small distance. The
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universe is very, very big and might long way to
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the exactly chemist shop. Yeah, that's twice we've had Douglas
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Adams been worth quoting. Yes, in recent weeks. I was
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going to say, yes, they are worth quoting. So it's
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it's you only really see the expansion when you start
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looking out millions of light years. Then you do, as
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discovered back in nineteen twenty nine. But the reason why
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the Earth is not participating in that expansion. Is that
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the forces that hold atoms together and that holds the
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Earth together, which is certainly gravity in terms of keeping
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the Earth together, is by far the dominant force. So
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the Earth's self gravity is easily enough to basically to
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overcome any tendency of the space within which the Earth
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sits to expands. On the scale of the Solar System,
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you can forget the cosmic expansion. In fact, on the
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scale of our galaxy, you can forget it.
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Basically.
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It's only when you start looking at more distant galaxies
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that you start seeing any measurable velocity change.
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Okay, so yep, gravity overcomes all. Yes, So sorry, Larry,
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You're stuck with your neighbors as I am with mine.
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It's just just the way it is. Earth will hold
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itself together. We are tough. Good question, though, good question,
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and is I was going to say, yeah, if you
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do want to said his questions, you can do so
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on our website and I'll tell you about that at
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the end of the show. This is Space Nuts with
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Andrew Dunkley and Professor Fred Watson. The crew of.
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Artemis two now bound for the Moon, Humanity's next Great
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Voyage begins space Nuts.
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Our next question, Fred is going to be a quick
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one because basically it's about nothing.
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No.
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This is Mike from Cromer in the UK. You had
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a question, Well, i'm podcast, I'm listening to the beginning
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of the universe as in the Big Bang, referred to
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it as being nothing before it, Shirley, from a non
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science point of view, it be better to say there
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was something before the Big Bang, but you don't know
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what it was. Why do you refer it refer to
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it as nothing before the Big Bang? It was trans question,
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but I thought i'd ask cheers.
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Thank you, Mike. I think it was me that said
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that we thought there was nothing before the Big Bang,
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and I think your answer was now it wasn't nothing,
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it's we don't know. Is that right? Or am I
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getting crossed up with something?
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And I mean that's right as well?
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That the issue, yes, so that.
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The standard line is in the beginning there was nothing
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and then it exploded. That's you know, that's a standard line,
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and that's very glib. The issue I have with trying
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to explain this is not with the word nothing or
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even with the word something, which is what Mike would
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prefer something, but we don't know what it was. But
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the issue I have is with the word before, because
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our understanding of the universe, certainly as far as relativity,
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informs us the models that you can build that you
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can build Time started with the Big Bang. Now, that
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is the prevalent, prevalent theory, but it is only one theory.
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There are others that do suggest that there was something
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before the Big Bang. Roger Penrose is one of the
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proponents of that sort of thing. But the kind of
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