Nov. 29, 2024
#473: Alien Volcanoes, Black Hole Mysteries & Uranus Revisited
Space Nuts Episode 473: Volcanic Worlds, Vanishing Stars, and Uranus Mysteries
Join Andrew Dunkley and Professor Fred Watson as they embark on a cosmic journey exploring the fiery phenomena of volcanoes, the curious case of a supernova that wasn't,...
Space Nuts Episode 473: Volcanic Worlds, Vanishing Stars, and Uranus Mysteries
Join Andrew Dunkley and Professor Fred Watson as they embark on a cosmic journey exploring the fiery phenomena of volcanoes, the curious case of a supernova that wasn't, and the peculiarities of Uranus in this episode of Space Nuts.
Episode Highlights:
- Volcanic Exoplanets: Discover the latest findings on an exoplanet, L98-59d, which may be volcanically active or even a molten world. Learn how the James Webb Space Telescope has helped uncover the atmospheric signatures indicating volcanic activity.
- The Supernova That Never Was: Delve into the enigmatic story of a star in the Andromeda Galaxy that collapsed into a black hole without the typical supernova explosion. Understand the theories behind this rare cosmic event and its implications for black hole formation.
- Revisiting Uranus: Re-examine the data from Voyager 2's flyby of Uranus, revealing new insights into the planet's magnetosphere and challenging previous assumptions. Discover how a solar flare might have skewed our understanding of this gas giant.
For more Space Nuts, including our continually updating newsfeed and to listen to all our episodes, visit our website. Follow us on social media at SpaceNutsPod on facebook, X, YouTube, Tumblr, Instagram, and TikTok. We love engaging with our community, so be sure to drop us a message or comment on your favourite platform.
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Stay curious, keep looking up, and join us next time for more stellar insights and cosmic wonders. Until then, clear skies and happy stargazing.
00:00 - This episode is dedicated to volcanoes, supernovas that were not
01:04 - Icelandic word for double L has two double L's in it
02:58 - An exoplanet that scientists think might be volcanic has been discovered
10:20 - L98.59D is very close to its parent star
12:38 - A supernova that did not happen has turned into a black hole
21:22 - Andrew Dunkley says black holes are characterised by very few parameters
22:57 - New research on Uranus suggests its magnetic bubble may have been distorted
✍️ Episode References
Space Nuts Podcast
https://www.bitesz.com/show/space-nuts/
Professor Fred Watson
https://www.fredwatson.com.au/
Eyjafjallajökull
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyjafjallaj%C3%B6kull
TikTok
https://www.tiktok.com/
Vanuatu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanuatu
Denpasar, Indonesia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denpasar
NASA's TESS (Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite)
https://www.nasa.gov/tess-transiting-exoplanet-survey-satellite
NASA's Kepler Space Telescope
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/kepler/main/index.html
James Webb Space Telescope (JWST)
https://www.jwst.nasa.gov/
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Kavli Institute for Astrophysics and Space Research
https://space.mit.edu/
Andromeda Galaxy (M31)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_Galaxy
Phys.org
https://phys.org/
Cosmos Magazine
https://cosmosmagazine.com/
Voyager 2
https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/
Linda Spilker
https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/people/1618/linda-spilker/
Become a supporter of this podcast:
Join Andrew Dunkley and Professor Fred Watson as they embark on a cosmic journey exploring the fiery phenomena of volcanoes, the curious case of a supernova that wasn't, and the peculiarities of Uranus in this episode of Space Nuts.
Episode Highlights:
- Volcanic Exoplanets: Discover the latest findings on an exoplanet, L98-59d, which may be volcanically active or even a molten world. Learn how the James Webb Space Telescope has helped uncover the atmospheric signatures indicating volcanic activity.
- The Supernova That Never Was: Delve into the enigmatic story of a star in the Andromeda Galaxy that collapsed into a black hole without the typical supernova explosion. Understand the theories behind this rare cosmic event and its implications for black hole formation.
- Revisiting Uranus: Re-examine the data from Voyager 2's flyby of Uranus, revealing new insights into the planet's magnetosphere and challenging previous assumptions. Discover how a solar flare might have skewed our understanding of this gas giant.
For more Space Nuts, including our continually updating newsfeed and to listen to all our episodes, visit our website. Follow us on social media at SpaceNutsPod on facebook, X, YouTube, Tumblr, Instagram, and TikTok. We love engaging with our community, so be sure to drop us a message or comment on your favourite platform.
For more Space and Astronomy News Podcasts, visit our HQ at www.bitesz.com.
If you'd like to help support Space Nuts and join our growing family of insiders, visit spacenutspodcast.com/about
Stay curious, keep looking up, and join us next time for more stellar insights and cosmic wonders. Until then, clear skies and happy stargazing.
00:00 - This episode is dedicated to volcanoes, supernovas that were not
01:04 - Icelandic word for double L has two double L's in it
02:58 - An exoplanet that scientists think might be volcanic has been discovered
10:20 - L98.59D is very close to its parent star
12:38 - A supernova that did not happen has turned into a black hole
21:22 - Andrew Dunkley says black holes are characterised by very few parameters
22:57 - New research on Uranus suggests its magnetic bubble may have been distorted
✍️ Episode References
Space Nuts Podcast
https://www.bitesz.com/show/space-nuts/
Professor Fred Watson
https://www.fredwatson.com.au/
Eyjafjallajökull
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyjafjallaj%C3%B6kull
TikTok
https://www.tiktok.com/
Vanuatu
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanuatu
Denpasar, Indonesia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denpasar
NASA's TESS (Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite)
https://www.nasa.gov/tess-transiting-exoplanet-survey-satellite
NASA's Kepler Space Telescope
https://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/kepler/main/index.html
James Webb Space Telescope (JWST)
https://www.jwst.nasa.gov/
Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) Kavli Institute for Astrophysics and Space Research
https://space.mit.edu/
Andromeda Galaxy (M31)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andromeda_Galaxy
Phys.org
https://phys.org/
Cosmos Magazine
https://cosmosmagazine.com/
Voyager 2
https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/
Linda Spilker
https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/people/1618/linda-spilker/
Become a supporter of this podcast:
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Hi there, Thanks for joining us yet again. I don't
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know how you do it, but welcome along. This is
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Space Nuts with Andrew Dunkley, your host. Hope you're well.
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This episode is dedicated to volcanoes, supernovas that were not
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and Voyager two, which told us something that turned out
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not to probably be true. It's all coming up on
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this episode of Space Nuts. Fifteen second guidance in Channel
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ten nine ignition Squench.
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Space Nuts NYE or three two one Space Nuts has
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been actually bought it.
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Bill's good and joining us again to go over all
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of that is Professor Fred. What's an astronomer at large?
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Hello Fred, Hello Andrew.
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I'm still still at large or on the loose really now,
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but that's all right.
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I've seen a few variations on what people think you
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should be called. Now we should. We'll keep an eye
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on those. If we're getting good ones, I'll pass them along.
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You might want to check anti business card. Yeah, yes,
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I'm right now. There's a story that we're going to
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start with today that brings into play something that I
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am very excited about, and that's volcanoes. I've visited several
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over my time traveling around the world, and you have
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visited a couple yourself, including that most infamous one that
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grounded all the plains in the Northern Hemisphere when it
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blew a gas get in twenty ten. Was it the
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one in Iceland? What's it called again? Because I can't pronounce.
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It and it means, let me get it right, I
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think it means island, mountain, glacier. Yourkle is a glacier.
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So the double L, so there's two double l's in it,
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and double L is in Icelandic has the sound of
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it's not just it's got a kind of squeeze of
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the of the chigs before it. So if you if
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one of our on one of our visits to Iceland,
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a lovely guy who was our guide at the time,
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he said he'd spent a few years in Germany and
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I did become fluent in German, so I spoke everybody
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in Germany, came back to Iceland and got back into
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Icelandic and he said he's jaw ached because of what
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you've got to do to get the pronunciation. He said,
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it wasn't used to it. You know, it's jaw started.
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I have that. Well, the only go on, go on,
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I was going to say that explains why the vikings
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were so angry all the time, no one could have
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to stand them.
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Yes, yeah, that's right. Anyway, it's good. I was going
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to say, that's the only Icelandic word that I know.
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And you and only I tak tok. You said you
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told us a very interesting factoid about it, which I
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think we should share again.
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That it was the world's first carbon negative volcano because
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by grounding the world's airlines for something like a week
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it was getting on for a week, it took more
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carbon out of the atmosphere than it put in, which
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is really quite an astonishing It's unthinkable.
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Isn't it, because it was not a small eruption.
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No sending stuff up a long way. That's right.
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And you've stood on the edge of that thing, haven't
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you on.
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The edge of the glacier that runs over it. Yes,
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it's underneath the glacier, which is the uklu bit of
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the word.
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It's just scary to think about it.
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I'll send you the picture we might have. We've got
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a picture of me talking the ABC right at the
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snout of the glacier that runs over it.
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A well one one volcano that we visited ended up
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erupting not long after we were there. As is our habit,
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whenever we travel, something happens, and it stopped air traffic
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around the Asia Pacific region for a while. That was yeah.
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And as we speak, one airline that I'm aware of
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is canceled all flights out of den Pasar in Indonesia
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at Bali. Yes, because of another volcanic.
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Eruption, Yes, eruption. Yeah, it's all huntling.
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It is certainly happening. Now, that's our planet and it's
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active volcanoes. And we know of a couple of other
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places in our Solar system that seem to have volcanic activity,
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maybe Venus EOO one of them.
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Yes, it's probably the most volcanically active body in the
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Solar system is Io.
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Yes, but we are talking about an exoplanet that they
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think might be volcanic. That's quite a fine.
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It is. It rejoices in the name. Let's get this
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out of it out of the way. L ninety eight
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dash fifty nine D. And that planet was a discovery
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from the Space Telescope, which we've talked about a lot,
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because it was the space telescope that really followed on
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from Keppelo, which was a telescope designed to look for
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the dip in the light of a star because of
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the planet going around it. Likewise, tests did the same thing,
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and both those two together absolutely revolutionized the science of
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planet discovery. So L ninety eight to fifty nine D
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discovered by tests back in twenty nineteen and has now
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been analyzed in some detail because of the technology that
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we can apply. I've good a feeling this has come
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from the JWST, but I need to check that anyway. Yes,
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that's right. It has been changed with telescope observations that
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have given us this new information, which is that particular
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planet L ninety eight fifty nine D. I do, like
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the name, has signatures in its atmosphere of some of
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the products which we know are associated with the volcanic eruptions,
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and so sulfur dioxide is one of them, and hydrogen
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sulfide bad egg gas, that's another. And what the scientists
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who've done this work are suggesting is that the presence
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of those, combined with the absence of other ones which
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are much more common, like carbon dioxide, the presence of
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those suggest that we have extreme conditions on L ninety
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eight fifty nine D. Either volcanic activity on a big scale,
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or even a molten surface. Now we think that at
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some stage in its past surface was molten. It was
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what we call a lava world, and we may be
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seeing this particular planet basically doing the same sort of thing.
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So just to give it some statistics, Andrew, it's about
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fifty percent bigger than the Earth. It's what we call
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a super Earth in the scale of exoplanets. It's about
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thirty five light years away as the crow flies, and
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it has a record. It's a record breaker because if
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the details of these observations are confirmed, and they're still
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fairly tentative, the details of the chemistry of the atmosphere,
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if they're concerned, if they're confirmed a bigger partner, it
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would be the smallest known exoplanet with an atmosphere. So
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it's interesting because we're now starting to probe down to
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Earth sized planets here with the ability to use spectrotrocopy
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to determine what's in their atmospheres. So really interesting observation. Yeah.
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Absolutely, And it's not that far away this one, is
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it either Is it.
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Thirty five light years? No, that's right, it's you know,
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it's certainly within the Sun's local neighborhood. So not that
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that makes it any difference. You know, once you get
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beyond the orbit of Neptune, you're talking about a different
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sort of distance scale altogether from what we used to
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in the Solar System. But nevertheless, it's good and just
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a quick footnote to how we can measure what's in
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the atmosphere of an exoplanet, and that it's a very
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very delicate measurement and needs the best instrumentation. What you
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do is you wait until the planet transits in front
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of its parent star, and you look at the spectrum
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of the parent star, and then you compare that with
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what the parent star looks like without the planet in
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front of it, because and the difference in them is
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caused by the light of the star passing through the
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additional layer of the atmosphere of the planet which is
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sitting in front of it. And so even though that
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atmosphere might be very small in diameter compared with the
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diameter of the star, in fact it's a ring of course,
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because you've got the planet itself blocking it. That area
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is very small compared with the surface area of the star.
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As we see it, it's still with the sensitive equipment
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that we have. Now it's still possible to tease out
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what the spectrum lines, the spectral signature of the gases
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in the atmosphere of the exo planets are. And it's
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a technique that's been used more and more and I
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think has a great future. And of course once we
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get into the ELT League, the extremely Large Telescope League,
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there will be a standard kind of measurement that we'll
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be hearing about every week. I'm sure.
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Yes, that's so very exciting. Now. I remember going to
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a lecture on m said at once where they were
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talking about using spectrographs i'll say, to analyze exoplanets. And
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now it's sort of becoming the norm, which is very exciting.
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That forecast was spot on.
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That might even have been one of the artellect journals
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of the Bock Lectures. That's right, Yeah, so I was
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involved in, yes, the book lectures. Yeah.
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Now I did have a question, do we think that
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L ninety eight fifty nine D is independently volcanic or
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is it being influenced by something else? EO is kind
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of volcanic because Jupiter gifted a bit of a crushing
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hug all the time.
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Yes, exactly. That's right, And that's a great question. And
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the answer is probably because it goes around its parents'
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star in if I remember it's just a few days.
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I can't remember just exactly how many days it is.
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You might have it in front of the e seven
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and a half earth days. So what we take a
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year to do around the Sun, that particular planet takes
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seven and a half days to do around it around
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its parents star. So it means it's very close to
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its parents' star, and much closer than mercury is to
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the Sun. And that's another reason why it might be
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volcanically active to the degree that we think it is.
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And it's not just the radiant heat of the star
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itself because it's close by. It's that closeness that gives
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the planet a squash and a squeeze every time it
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goes around and causes this heating of its interior by
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what we call tidal forces, exactly the same mechanism that
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keeps EO volcanically active.
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Yes, so it's a bit bigger than Earth at one
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and a half times our size, but it's surprisingly much stinkier.
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Place we talked about h to us a recent episode
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didn't we because it was the nickname given to the
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to the radar that was used on luncaster bombers that
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because it smells bad. That's what they said.
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Yes, absolutely, And if you want to read about that
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particular story fizz dot org. Of course, phy s dot org.
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Just do a search for a distant planet seems to
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have a sulfur rich atmosphere, hinting at alien volcanoes. This
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is Space Nuts with Andrew Dunkley and Professor Fred Watson
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Nepace Nuts. Now, Fred, we get questions semi regularly about supernovae,
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those cataclysmic explosions of stars that can be sometimes seen
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in daylight if they're close enough to us, and there's
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been a couple in recorded history, and they ultimately collapse
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and become a black hole. Now we've got a situation
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that's so unusual and somewhat rare, a super and nova
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that did not happen, but the star still turned into
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a black hole. That is that is sort of on
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the realm of weird.
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It's weird, that's right, although sort of understood. The mechanism is,
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you know, predicted by theory that you can do this,
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but it is so unusual, you know, We always think
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of black holes being formed in super and over explosions,
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and here we've got something that doesn't detonate, so it
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basically the collapse takes place without without the explosion. And
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just to recap why stars do collapse at the end
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of their lives, you have a situation during the normal
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lifetime of the star and our sons in this situation
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where the outward pressure of the radiation coming from the
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nuclear fusion in its center, and that's what makes the
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sun shine. That has a pressure on the gas of
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the Sun, and that just balances the gravitational pull of
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the whole thing its own self gravity. So you've got
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this balancing app between the radiation pressure and the gravity.
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When the sun, oh, the star runs out of its
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fuel hydrogen fuel, that changes so the radiation it actually
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goes through a few complex phases, but eventually the radiation stops,
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and so the battle is won by gravity. Gravity tries
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to collapse the star in two well if it can
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a black hole, but it needs to be more than
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about eight times the mass of the Sun before it
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will do that, perhaps ten times the mass of the Sun.
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So that's the process, and it's that sort of collapse
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that takes place. What you've got is heavy atoms being
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basically mixing with life atoms and transferring their energy to them.
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I used to do a trick with them with ping
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pong balls that demonstrates this quite nicely that if you
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have atoms different of different masses in close proximity, some
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of them fall and some of them don't. Some of
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them bounce outwards and that's what gives rise to the explosion.
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But with what we've seen in this it's actually in
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the Andromeda Galaxy. The star itself, it's it's basically a
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star that's been studied for a while and has now
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just disappeared. And it was known to be a star
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of the sort of mass that you would form a
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