Nov. 4, 2024
#466: Mysterious Spacecraft Sounds, Big Bang Beliefs & Saturn's Ring Dynamics
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Space Nuts Q&A Edition - Episode 466
Join Andrew Dunkley and Professor Fred Watson in this captivating episode of Space Nuts, where they address intriguing questions from our audience. From unexplained spacecraft noises to the mysteries of the Big Bang, this episode is filled with fascinating insights and cosmic discussions.
Episode Highlights:
- Unexplained Spacecraft Noises: Dive into the mystery of strange noises reported on various spacecraft, including the Boeing Starliner and historical incidents on Space Shuttle Discovery and Shenzhou 5. Explore potential explanations and the quirks of space acoustics.
- Challenging the Big Bang Theory: Join the debate as listener Binny shares his scepticism about the Big Bang and proposes an alternative theory involving a massive rotating black hole. Delve into the evidence for the Big Bang and the cosmic microwave background radiation.
- Planetary Gyroscopes: Discover what happens if a planet is tilted off its axis and whether it could behave like a giant gyroscope. Learn about gravitational forces and the dynamics of planetary rings, with insights into Saturn and Uranus.
- The Electromagnetic Spectrum in Astronomy: Explore the different parts of the electromagnetic spectrum and their significance in scientific discoveries. Professor Fred Watson shares his insights on the most interesting and impactful wavelengths, from visible light to the 22-centimetre line of hydrogen.
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Hi there.
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This is Space Nuts where we talk astronomy in space science.
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Every couple of episodes, we hand it to the audience
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and we answer their questions, well we pretend to. We
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just take the questions and basically ask more questions. But
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on today's episode we will be talking about those strange
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noises that are heard on spacecraft. We recently talked about
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the Boeing Starliner and some of the weird noises coming
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from that. Well, apparently there have been others. According to Seth,
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he wants answers, so we'll last see if we can
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figure that one out. Binny has come back to us
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saying he doesn't believe in the Big Bang.
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He has another theory which we will discuss.
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Jacob wants to know what happens if you tilt a
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planet off its rotation and whether or not it could
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become a planet sized gyroscope and drag everything along with it.
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And electromagnetism is Nate's topic of discussion on this episode
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of Space Nuts Channel ten nine Ignition.
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Sequence Space Nuts or three two one Space Nurse.
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As when I reported Neil Good.
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And here with the desire to decipher is Professor Fred
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what's an astronomer at La Tello friend.
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Hi Andrew, Good to see you again.
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Good to see you too. I'm still wearing the same shirt,
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so I told you it's the only one I've got.
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It is so yeah, weird.
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I've got two shirts.
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Now.
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We've got a bunch of questions. This first one comes
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from Seth, who is from Rhode Island in the United States.
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Seth says, on episode four hundred and fifty one, you
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spoke of noises on Boeing Starliner that were chalked up
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to audio feedback. However, there have been two reported similar events.
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Ellison on a super in nineteen eighty five on Space
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Shuttle Discovery, he reportedly mentioned hearing strange, knocking or metallic
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sounds while in orbit. A similar story is tied to
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a Chinese astronaut Yang Liu or li Ui, who reported
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hearing unexplained knocking sounds during his two thousand and three
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flight on Shenju five. How were those explained? What are
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your thoughts, Seth?
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I have I have.
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I think I figured it out Fred til Ever since
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that first story about the bowing star Liner, I've been wondering.
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I think it was Sandra Bullock.
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Oh really, yes, that would answer the question, wouldn't it,
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because that was an obvious yes, let me.
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In that's what That's what I reckon. Should that not
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be a plausible theory? What what else could it be?
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Well, I didn't actually know about those earlier episodes of
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noises coming from spacecraft, so I'm really glad that says
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raised our you know, raised our awareness of them. My
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guess is it could be the same sort of thing, though,
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because feedback loops occur all over the place and can
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produce some very strange acoustic effects, as with the Starliner,
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and occasionally you and I get feedback loops that don't
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do us any good. They don't sound like knocking noises.
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They usually sound more like a you know, repeated sentences
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or something like that. But I would I would say
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that was will be a strong contender for what they
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might be. Other than that. You know, if you if
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you hear some regular noise coming from within a spacecraft,
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it's clearly not just a single you haven't hit a
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micrometeoroid or something like that, something with a more repeatability
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to it. So a feedback loop would seem to me
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to be the best way to explain it.
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The description of the noise on.
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The Chinese spacecraft that Seth mentioned was described as the
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sound of a hammer heating an iron bucket. It doesn't
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sound doesn't sound like the feedback does sound like Sandra Bullock,
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it doesn't sound like feedback. And if it's happened more
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than once, yeah, Now, the story I've read is they
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never found the source of the sound. Okay, so that
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makes it easy for us to answer Seth's question. In
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that regard, we don't know because they don't know, but
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it is it is a documented incident.
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Yeah, you know, in earthly circumstances. The thing that's sounds
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most like somebody hitting a bucket with a hammer is
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when you get a water hammer in your pipes at home.
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Whether you've ever had a water hummer, but I yes, yes,
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it's quite It sounds quite terrifying. Actually, somebody's battering the
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house with a battering rum. Now there will be fluid
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pipes on board spacecraft. Whether you could get a fluid
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hammer set up like that, I don't know, but it's
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it's that sort of thing again, that's the sort of
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feedback book. It's a kind of resonance of the pressures
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within the within the pipework.
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I'm trying to find the other spaceship that he referred to,
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but nine eighty five it was, so that's going back
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a fair way. But yeah, there have been metallic sounds
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reported on several spacecraft that have been logged since nineteen
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sixty one, so yeah, it could It could be the
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water circulation system, It could be that could be the toilet.
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You know, best of all those early ones didn't have toilets.
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the suit. Yeah, well that would make me make grinding sounds.
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I'm pretty sure of that.
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But it's it's a good theory, though, Fred, I don't
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think they've ever really figured them out, except for the
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Boeing star Liner, which they did put down to feedback
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loop through the audio system. So yes, Seth, we can't
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give you an absolute answer on that, but Fred's theory
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could hold water.
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Oh I'm not the job. No, I'll still side with
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Sandra Bullock though. Thanks Seth. Great, great question.
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Let's go to our next question from.
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Hello, Professor Watson and Andrew. This is Binnie Matthew momnums
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engineered by profession. I accidentally started listening to your podcast,
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and I love every episode of it. Since then, I've
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never stopped listening to it. It gets me out of
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boredom when I'm working alone in my department. I love
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your show. Keep up the good work. And my question is,
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I don't believe in a big bang. I don't think
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the universe started up just by a big back, no
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matter whatever the cosmic peic way, background evidence shows, or
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whatever it is.
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But I don't believe in that.
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Maybe if you look at the astronomical things, everything rotates everything,
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So I think the universe is like a planet which
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is rotating, a big Matthew black hole, which may explain
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the dark energy or the matter.
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Can you put some late on it?
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Thanks thanks for the getting me to give you the
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questions and love you.
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Sure, thank you, Thank you, Benny.
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If it's a large black hole, no, we can't put
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any light on it.
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I'm gonna I'm just going to say something tongue in cheek.
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It's not it's not an insult, but it reminds me
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of an old joke that a comedian told years and
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years ago about a player in the Indian cricket team
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whose name was Benny, and he referred to him as
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rubbish Bennie, and I you know.
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I was.
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Your questions rubbish Bnny. But I'm just kidding around.
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It doesn't it doesn't mean. It doesn't mean.
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No, I don't know. Billy Birmingham was the comedian's name.
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He used to do these these these augmented cricket commentary
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comedian things, and there were Yeah, he gave you all
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all the names of the players, so they were a
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little bit insulting. And there was one player in the
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Indian team that he used to call rubbish Binni, because
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his name was Binnie. So anyway, I thought, just as
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soon as I heard Binni's name, that popped into my head.
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Sorry about that. So no big bang. Oh, and Bennie said,
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he accidentally found us. That's how everyone finds us. No
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one actually tries to find us on purpose.
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Binni. It's just not done.
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But it's lovely that you've become a space not aficionado. Indeed,
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welcome to the family.
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Now he's just left us. I've insulted.
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Probably after all that I will be surprised.
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No big bang, but a big black hole at the
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center of the universe.
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That we are rotating around.
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Yeah, it's interesting thinking. I do think anybody who throws
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away the Big Bang has got to have a plausible
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explanation for the cosmic microwave background radiation. I knew you'd
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get there, Yeah, knew it. Yeah, well, yeah, it's where
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where you'd go. You're a cosmologist as well, Andrew, you
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know the answer to all these so and until so
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when I when I was at school, you know, in
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the early sixties, there were.
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It was an eighteen sixties current.
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Well, yes, actually that's what it felt like.
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It was.
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There were two competing theories for the for the the universe.
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One was the Big Bang theory, which was not new
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but had been postulated in the late twenties and early thirties,
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so thirty years before or something like that, there was
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a Big Bang theory, but also the steady state theory.
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And the steady state theory said that the universe is expanding,
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but it never had a beginning, and space is being
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created all the time, and matters been created all the time.
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And it was.
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Espoused by some big names in the world of astronomy
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and astro physics. One of them was Professor Sir Fred Hoyle,
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who was one of the most notable physicists of his day,
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astronomers of his day, and actually a leading lie in
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creating the Angle of Australian Telescope. He was the person
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who first greeted the Prince of Wales and then Prince
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of Wales now the King when he turned up to
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open the telescope in nineteen seventy four. So a very
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big name, but a ficionado of the steady state theory.
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the term a big bang, because he mocks it on
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a BBC radio program which later had turned into a
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little book. It's upon the shelves behind me there.
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Oh yes, they's I'm.
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Glad you did it, and it quotes that, you know,
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a big bang in inverted commas. Oh they call it
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the big Bang. But what clinched the big Bang was
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just a few years later nineteen sixty six, if I
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remember rightly, was the discovery of this background of microwaves
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from the whole sky, which had been predicted by people
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who were, you know, believe that there had been a
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Big bang theory. So the cosmic microwave background radiation is
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what not the steady state theory on the head and
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there are still a few people who espouse it, and
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maybe Bini is one, but it's very hard to explain
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the cosmic micro background radiation.
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Somebody opened the door before they stopped cooking.
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Oh, that's what usually happens. That's the old Periton theory
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as well. Yes, from Parks. But there are some modern
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scientists who do espouse the idea of the universe being
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a black hole. So it's I think Roger Penrose is
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one his theory says that I think he still has
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big bangs in them though I think they're exploding black holes.
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But basically everything's a black hole. Yes, yeah, so it's interesting,
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interesting to hear your your thoughts, been here and technical
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notice of the awful things that Andrew says about people's names.
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Fair point.
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But maybe maybe he can go back and start digging.
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Up some proof and we'll talk about it against.
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The question is always where's the evidence?
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Where's the evidence? Yes?
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Yes, thanks Benny, great to hear from you. Don't let
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anything I said stop you from asking questions again in
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the future.
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Place. Lovely, lovely for you to have contacted us.
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This is Space Nuts with Andrew Dunkley and Professor Fred Watson.
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bit of traveling in recent times. One of the pitfalls
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we find is internet access, especially when we're out and about.
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We want to stay in touch, we want to send
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a photo to the kids, or we want to do
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a snap chat or something like that. Most recently in Turkey,
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we bought international roaming from our current carrier, which was
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not cheap, and we did the same some years ago
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with our previous carrier, which was even more expensive. I mean,
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some of these things can run in at ten bucks
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a day, which is an awful lot to pay for
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very limited services. So what's the better option. The better
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option is to buy yourself an e SIM from a
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company that specializes in overseast connectivity, and that is Saley
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saiy Now. Saley is an organization that's available through one
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hundred and sixty countries and eight regions around the world,
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which gives them a very strong presence. It's also not
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expensive if you're traveling internationally soon and this is something
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you'd like to get hold of. Bearing in mind there's
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