Oct. 31, 2024
#465: Fred's New Frontier, Artemis Landing Zones & Ryugu's Revealing Secrets
Space Nuts #464
Join Andrew Dunkley and Professor Fred Watson in an engaging episode of Space Nuts as they explore significant developments in the world of astronomy and Space exploration. From Fred Watson Watson's career transition to groundbreaking...
Space Nuts #464
Join Andrew Dunkley and Professor Fred Watson in an engaging episode of Space Nuts as they explore significant developments in the world of astronomy and Space exploration. From Fred Watson Watson's career transition to groundbreaking lunar missions, this episode is packed with stellar discussions and intriguing insights.
Episode Highlights:
- The Future of Fred Watson: Discover the next chapter in Fred Watson Watson's illustrious career as he transitions from his role as Australia's Astronomer at Large to a new position in academia. Learn how this change could amplify his influence in advocating for Australian astronomy.
- Artemis 3 Landing Sites Announced: NASA has unveiled potential landing sites for the Artemis 3 mission, marking humanity's return to the Moon since 1972. Explore the challenges and scientific potential of these lunar south pole sites.
- New Insights from Ryugu: Delve into the latest findings from the asteroid Ryugu, which may hold clues to the origins of life on Earth. Uncover how these samples could reshape our understanding of planetary formation and life's emergence.
- Titan's Mysteries Unveiled: Recent studies suggest that Saturn's moon Titan could rewrite planetary science. Learn about the unique features of Titan's surface and what they reveal about its geological history and potential for life.
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Join Andrew Dunkley and Professor Fred Watson in an engaging episode of Space Nuts as they explore significant developments in the world of astronomy and Space exploration. From Fred Watson Watson's career transition to groundbreaking lunar missions, this episode is packed with stellar discussions and intriguing insights.
Episode Highlights:
- The Future of Fred Watson: Discover the next chapter in Fred Watson Watson's illustrious career as he transitions from his role as Australia's Astronomer at Large to a new position in academia. Learn how this change could amplify his influence in advocating for Australian astronomy.
- Artemis 3 Landing Sites Announced: NASA has unveiled potential landing sites for the Artemis 3 mission, marking humanity's return to the Moon since 1972. Explore the challenges and scientific potential of these lunar south pole sites.
- New Insights from Ryugu: Delve into the latest findings from the asteroid Ryugu, which may hold clues to the origins of life on Earth. Uncover how these samples could reshape our understanding of planetary formation and life's emergence.
- Titan's Mysteries Unveiled: Recent studies suggest that Saturn's moon Titan could rewrite planetary science. Learn about the unique features of Titan's surface and what they reveal about its geological history and potential for life.
For more Space Nuts, including our continually updating newsfeed and to listen to all our episodes, visit our website. Follow us on social media at SpaceNutsPod on facebook, X, YouTube, Instagram, Tumblr, and TikTok. We love engaging with our community, so be sure to drop us a message or comment on your favourite platform.
For more Space and Astronomy News Podcasts, visit our HQ at www.bitesz.com.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/space-nuts/support.
Stay curious, keep looking up, and join us next time for more stellar insights and cosmic wonders. Until then, clear skies and happy stargazing.
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Hi there, Thanks for joining us on another episode of
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Space Nuts. My name is Andrew Uncley, your host, and
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great to have your company, as I tend to say,
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well you know, I ever say it's not great to
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have your company. You know. We're done for now. Who
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was that voice in the background. Now? We a lot
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to talk about today, and one of those things is
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the future of Fred. Yes, Fred's future it's about to change.
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Is he leaving us? Tell you in a minute, Artemis.
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Three landing sites have been announced. There are I think
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about nine of them. We're going to look at some
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new data from the asteroid Reugu, which could shed more
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light on how life ended up here. And the study
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of Titan's moon Saturn's moon Titan. They're saying it might
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rewrite planetary science. That's a biggie all coming up on
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the next episode of Space Nuts right now.
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Fifteen, Channel ten nine ignition sig Wes Space Nuts or
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three two one Space Nurse.
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Hasn't I reported? Neil Good and here he is to
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tell all Professor Fred, what's hell out bread?
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Are you doing? Andrew? Good to see you again.
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Good to see you too. My question should be how
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you doing? Because today's a big day for you.
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It is, Yes, it's a it's a day of some
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note in my life. But the story starts actually on
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the sixteenth of July nineteen seventy three when I became
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a staff astronomer at the Royal Grandwich Observatory in the
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United Kingdom, because that is when I joined the British
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Public Service, and effectively i've been there ever since except
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it switched to the Australian Public Service in twenty ten,
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so I've been a public servant Andrew for fifty one
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years and from my and it comes to an end today.
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So so my role as the nation's astronomer, the Australian
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Government's Astronomer at large, which I've had since twenty eighteen,
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so it's six years that i've been in that job.
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It's coming to an end. So I am going to
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leave the public service. I'm not leaving astronomy. I'm moving
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to a new role in one of the universities here
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in Sydney, which I'm extremely excited about. But it means
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that i'll be able to well, certainly be able to
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carry on with space. Nothing will change there. But it
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also does mean that from outside the government, when you're
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working not in the government, but you're working outside, you
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might be able to have more influence, believe it or not,
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in terms of advocating for the way we hope Australian
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astronomy will go. Getting the message out that astronomy is
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a good thing and that people like it and want
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it to be supported. All of that's easier to do
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outside the government than inside. So in that regard, it's
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a good thing. I'm sad about it. Of course, thirty
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first of October twenty twenty four is as notable as
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the sixteenth of July nineteen seventy three. Yeah, so it's
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you know what I'm I guess I'm sad about is
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the colleagues that I've worked with over the last six
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and a half years, six years and four months. A
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fabulous bunch of people. Public servants are that they're a
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breed on their own. I guess they essentially, you know,
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provide all the information that the government needs to make
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up its mind on its policies, and they are very
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very professional about it, and they're nice people. I've had
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made some great friendships with the people down in Canberra,
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which is where I've been based. Although I live in Sydney,
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so it's all been done over the internet. But yeah,
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we had a little party yesterday down I was down
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there yesterday, drove back yesterday afternoon. We had a bit
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of a celebration, some cake and nice coffee and things
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like that. And they bit me on the way. There's
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another one today actually last day. In fact, immediately after
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this podcast recording, I'll be joining my colleagues online just
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to say a virtual farewell to the ones who are
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scattered over the country. There are people in Western Australia,
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South Australia, all over the place.
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Wow. Gee, it's the end of an era, Fred, And
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I'd say congratulations, first of all for all of those
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decades in astronomy and surviving that long in the public service.
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That's a feed in itself. But I suppose the good
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news is that you are not retiring. We want to
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make that a very solid point. This is not the
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end of your astronomy career, because if it was, you'd
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go from being an astronomer at large to a large astronomer.
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Oh yes, that's probably right. So I I actually should
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just highlight one of the one of the jokes that
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one of my colleagues made quite some years ago when
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I was the new Astronomer at large, because I sent
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them a photograph. I skipped out for lunch down on
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the beach one day here in the Northern Beaches and
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came back and took to them online and said, I said,
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this is where I had lunch. And this gentleman his
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name was Bence Candreck, really nice guy. He said, oh
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you're you're the astronomer A Laplage turned it into the
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French version Astronomer on the Beach, which quite like.
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That's very funny. Yeah, And just to prove the point,
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that's not a door behind Fred. If you're watching a
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video stream, that's actually a very well disguised Malibu surfboard.
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It is a most people don't notice that.
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Oh that's why I'm in journalism. Yes, got to pick
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up on these things. Well, we wish you well, Fred,
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and there'll be more to announce down the track when
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things start shift. But yeah, it's been a wonderful, wonderful
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public service career and you should be very very proud,
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and I'm glad I was able to be a part
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of that for a few years as well.
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Nice to hear and thank you very much for that
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and I mean you and I are going to go
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on forever probably, so that's all right.
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Yeah, we're planning on a couple of billion years because
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we just so much want to see that collision between
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Andromeda and the Milky Way galaxy. So you're hanging and
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hanging on for that. Some other exciting news is and
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this sort of falls at the same time as China
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has launched a mission to test Moon bricks for their
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future base up there. The race back to the Moon
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is really ramping up. The Chinese I think of fired
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a pretty heavy volley that NASA needs to respond to.
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Well.
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I don't know if this is their response, but they've
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certainly made a major announcement they've looked at key landing
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sites for Artemus III.
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Indeed they have, yes, sir. So this is not really
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a response to anything. It's just part of the process
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that the mission planners go through when you are planning
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something as big as Artemis three, which people will remember
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is the first landing of humans on the Moon since
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nineteen seventy two, and will have four NASA astronauts walking
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around the South polar region of the Moon. That's what
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makes this challenging, Andrew, because you know, all the Apollo
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landings were in the middle latitude region of the Moon,
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where a landscape is relatively flat. There were mountains there,
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there were a few sort of highland peaks that they
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landed on, but the south pole region of the Moon
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is quite different. It's very very pop marked with craters,
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a lot of mountains, a lot of you know, evidence
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of past geological history, and of course that's one of
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the reasons why they're going there to be able to
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sample the geology of the Moon's south Pole. So the
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landing zones that have been identified, what they've done is
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they've they've sorted them out, taking into account factors and
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I'm quoting NASA here. Factors in the selection process included science, potential,
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launch window, availability, terrain suitability, you don't want to land
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on a mountaintop, communication capabilities with earth, and lighting conditions,
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so all of those things have to go in the mix.
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What was them, sorry, what was that last one? Lighting conditions?
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Yes, that's right, because you don't want to be working
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completely in the dark, and you could be if you're
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at the Moon's south pole.
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Worked out worked out okay for Pink Floyd.
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It did, Yeah, but they you know they were in
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a different universe. I think so probably will Yeah, so
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actually I might just continue the quote from NASA because
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it's a nice way of doing this. Additionally, the team
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assessed the combined trajectory capabilities of NASA's SLS, the Spence
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Launch System rocket, the Orion spacecraft that's the crew module,
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the equivalent of the Apollo, you know, the Apollo crew capsule,
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and the Starship HLS, which HLS is Human Landing System,
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and of course Starship is the machine that we've seen
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recently having test flights powered into orbit, in fact by
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the Falcon super heavy booster which made that spectacular landing
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last month. Is this month's being grabbed by the chopsticks.
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So all that's got to come together to ensure safe
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and accessible landing sites. The Artemis three geology team I'm
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still reading, evaluated the landing regions for their scientific prop
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with sites within each of the nine identified regions have
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the potential to provide key new insights into our understanding
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of rocky planets, lunar resources, and the history of our
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Solar system. So it's really big picture stuff and all
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of that feeds into the decision as to where you
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put the next landing site on the Moon.
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Yeah, and I'm guessing this strategic value in being on
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the North or South Pole is an ico. Therefore you
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can get water, therefore you can make rocket fuel.
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I think that's it in a nutshell, Andrew. The South
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Pole is a place where we know there is water
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ice from orbital measurements and actually the Indian spacecraft that
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was was it an Indian one I think contact with Yeah,
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it crashed into the surface and you could see water,
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the signature of water in the in the plume that
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resented from that. So yes, that's what sets it. South Pole,
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apart from the North Pole, is actually much rockier, much more,
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much more creceard, and the craters are deep enough that
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we think there is what you might call primordial water,
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water that was dumped there by comets. You know, it's
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the water that was originally in the gas cloud that
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formed the Solar system, so quite quite a legacy.
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And just what would you like to get hold of
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some of that and melt it down and have a drink.
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Well, we I think we did a discussion about that,
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didn't we about whether it will be drinkable. I'd be
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up for it, Yeah, I'd be game a bit of
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moon water. You never know what it might do to
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your insides. But hopefully I grow some some antennas or
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something like that.
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Maybe or you'll turn into cheese and.
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More already cheese.
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You know, you mentioned India and that just sort of
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prompted a memory, a thought in my mind. Hugh in
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the studio messaged me the other day. So we've picked
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up some strong audience indicators from from India. So hello
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to all our Indian listeners. Believe it or not, I
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will be in India in about a month, so I'll
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look look out for me. I'll be I'll be wearing
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this shirt. He's only got one shirt, folks, Sally shirt
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I've got. So yes, I'll be visiting several places throughout
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India while i'm over there, so that'll be lovely. But
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if you're in India, salutations, thanks for watching, and sorry
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about the cricket. Yeah they got they got hammered by
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New Zealand's right, yeah, unheard of, unheard of, and then
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they've got they've got to follow that up with a
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tour of Australia. So yeah, but we haven't won. We
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haven't won the trophy from them in quite a long time,
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so this will be a key series for both sites,
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So looking forward to that. My favorite sport to watch
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on TV is cricket.
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Yeah, love forget that.
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Yes, so Artemis three landing sites, but we still don't
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Late twenty twenty six is my guess. I think for
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that crude landing late next year for Artemis two, which
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will be you know, a crude flight but warm land
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on the Moon. It will go around them, it'll do
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an Apollo eight, the Sally alone.
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Oh there it is by yeah bye, except Christmas all way,
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Christmas Christmas Day, it.
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Was it was I remember it well, yeah, nineteen sixty age, Yeah, yep.
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Gosh, so long ago, so long ago. Yeah. Okay, if
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you would like to look into that little story about
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the Artemis two Atamis three landing sites, it's on well
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it's on all sorts of stories, but you can get
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it at space connect online, dot com dot au. This
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is Space Nuts with Andrew Dunkley and Professor Fred Watson.
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Broad Space Nuts.
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Now, Fred, we're going to revisit the asteroid Reugu, which
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we've spoken about a couple of times, but it's in
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the news again because they've been able to do a
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bit more study on the on the stuff that was
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brought back. I think was a Japanese mission, was it not?
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Indeed?
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And they have found out some interesting things and it
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all sort of leads to piecing together the puzzle of
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life on Earth.
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Indeed it does, and so was Jacks of the Japanese
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Space Agency who's higher books of two mission collected samples
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from Riugu and return them to Earth in twenty twenty.
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