Oct. 28, 2024
#464: Dark Matter Dynamics, Spacecraft Synchronisation & Asteroid Belt Enigmas
Space Nuts Q&A Edition
Join Andrew Dunkley and Professor Fred Watson in this engaging Q&A episode of Space Nuts, where they tackle fascinating questions from our audience. From the cosmic mysteries of dark matter to the practicalities of Space...
Space Nuts Q&A Edition
Join Andrew Dunkley and Professor Fred Watson in this engaging Q&A episode of Space Nuts, where they tackle fascinating questions from our audience. From the cosmic mysteries of dark matter to the practicalities of Space communication, this episode is filled with intriguing insights and stellar discussions.
Episode Highlights:
- Dark Matter and the Cosmic Web: Explore how dark matter interacts with the cosmic web and the gravitational forces that shape our universe. Fred Watson Watson unravels the complex relationship between galaxies and dark matter, shedding light on this cosmic conundrum.
- Synchronising Spacecraft Communication: Discover how we maintain communication with distant spacecraft as they traverse the cosmos. Learn about the challenges of signal delays, gravitational influences, and the ingenious solutions that keep us connected to our spacefarers.
- Asteroid Belts Beyond Mars: Uncover the mysteries of asteroid belts beyond the familiar one between Mars and Jupiter. Delve into the Kuiper Belt and the Oort Cloud, exploring their significance and the icy bodies that inhabit these distant regions.
- The Future of Space Wheels: Contemplate the possibility of building a Von Braun wheel or a space station with artificial gravity. Fred Watson Watson discusses the engineering challenges and potential benefits of these futuristic structures.
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Join Andrew Dunkley and Professor Fred Watson in this engaging Q&A episode of Space Nuts, where they tackle fascinating questions from our audience. From the cosmic mysteries of dark matter to the practicalities of Space communication, this episode is filled with intriguing insights and stellar discussions.
Episode Highlights:
- Dark Matter and the Cosmic Web: Explore how dark matter interacts with the cosmic web and the gravitational forces that shape our universe. Fred Watson Watson unravels the complex relationship between galaxies and dark matter, shedding light on this cosmic conundrum.
- Synchronising Spacecraft Communication: Discover how we maintain communication with distant spacecraft as they traverse the cosmos. Learn about the challenges of signal delays, gravitational influences, and the ingenious solutions that keep us connected to our spacefarers.
- Asteroid Belts Beyond Mars: Uncover the mysteries of asteroid belts beyond the familiar one between Mars and Jupiter. Delve into the Kuiper Belt and the Oort Cloud, exploring their significance and the icy bodies that inhabit these distant regions.
- The Future of Space Wheels: Contemplate the possibility of building a Von Braun wheel or a space station with artificial gravity. Fred Watson Watson discusses the engineering challenges and potential benefits of these futuristic structures.
For more Space Nuts, including our continually updating newsfeed and to listen to all our episodes, visit our website. Follow us on social media at SpaceNutsPod on facebook, X, YouTube, Tumblr, Instagram, and TikTok. We love engaging with our community, so be sure to drop us a message or comment on your favourite platform.
For more Space and Astronomy News Podcasts, visit our HQ at www.bitesz.com.
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/space-nuts/support.
Stay curious, keep looking up, and join us next time for more stellar insights and cosmic wonders. Until then, clear skies and happy stargazing.
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Hi there, thanks for joining us. This is Space Nuts
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Q and A where we answer audience questions, and on
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this episode we're going to be talking about the relationship
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between dark matter and the cosmic web. We'll also look
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at an issue that's been raised about the synchronization of
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communication between Earth and long distance spacecraft. How do they
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do that because they're moving at rat of knots at
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great distances away from us, so how do we talk
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to them. There's also questions about whether or not there's
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more than one asteroid belt and can we build a
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space wheel. We'll tackle all that today on Space.
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Nuts fifteen seconds guidance in Channal ten nine ignition.
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Sequence Space Nuts or three two one Space Nuts.
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As when I reported Bill's.
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Good, here he is again, Fred. What's an hello? Fred? Hi, Andrew?
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How are you?
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I'm as good as the last time you saw me.
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I'm even wearing the same shirt.
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Strangely enough, it's extraordinary, isn't it, Soli?
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What a coincidence? Amazing? Are you ready to tackle some questions?
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Why not?
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All right, let's get down to it now. Our first
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question or questions come from the same source, and it's
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Ben and he's got a couple of interesting ideas. He says, Hi,
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there Andrew and Fred, longtime listener, but first time questioner
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from Chicago, though originally from Australia. Just in the form
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of a text as I'm one of the lucky sods
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who's gotten COVID twice in two months and can't talk.
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I'm sure some people can appreciate that. Just have two questions,
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not related, and of course one is going to be
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about dark matter. Fred mentioned in an episode that matter
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and dark matter don't interact, and one way of seeing
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that was some galaxies have moved over time, but the
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blob of dark matter doesn't move with it, to paraphrase.
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But if that's the case, my question is, how did
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dark matter form the cosmic web pattern of the universe
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in the first place. If it doesn't move, since galaxies
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are theorized to be held together using dark matter, wouldn't
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then wouldn't then moving off the dark matter blob mean
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they would start to fly apart. That's his first question.
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We'll get to the second one after we've solved.
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That riddle thread So that the interaction there is an interaction,
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which is via gravity. The least understood of all the
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fundamental forces, and that's why you know, if you've got
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a unif some baby universe that's got this web of
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dark matter, because that dark matter has gravitational interaction, then
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it will pull the normal matter in, so you do
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get you know, the galaxies strong, all out, strong, out
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along the cosmic web, as we find today when we
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observe galaxy surveys and things of that sort. The point
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I was making about the lack of interaction of other kinds,
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in other words, that you know, they don't bounce off
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one another. Was a couple of examples where we know
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that clusters of galaxies, which are the biggest sort of
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objects in the universe, they've collided and the gas and
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stars in those galaxies have sort of ground to a
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hole in the pile up. So what you end up
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with is a big blob of galaxy debris, except it's
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not debry. It's much the same as it was before
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they interacting, but they're gravitationally probably pulling one of an
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apart and.
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Things like that.
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So you've got two galaxy clusters, they collide, and you
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get a smash up there, which you can identify as
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being two different galaxy clusters colliding, but the dark matter
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from each of those because each of those clusters would
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have had its own dark matter halo. The dark matter
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just carries on. It doesn't interact either apparently with itself
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or with the debris the normal matter.
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So what you've got is.
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A scenario where you've got a new cluster of galaxies
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that's been formed from the two colliding clusters, and on
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either side of it is a blob of dark matter,
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which is the dark matter from the two original clusters
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that's just carried on going because it doesn't impact the
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normal matter. It does gravitationally, so it'll tend to have
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a gravitational influence on it, but the dark matter basically
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just just carries on.
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I'm very confusing for it. I can understand why we
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get so many questions about it, because it just doesn't
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seem to make sense.
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No, So the only thing that makes sense.
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Is that the particles of dark mutter normal matter door
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sort of bounce off one another, but they do have
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a gravitaxial effect on each other.
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That's really the way to put it.
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Okay, that makes it sound a little bit more simple,
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I hope.
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Now.
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Ben's second question, which is for spacecraft Communicating with them
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takes obviously longer and longer the further they are away,
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with all the planets moving all the time along the
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gravitational along with gravitational differences, the further or even closer
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to other orbital bodies, how do we keep the spacecraft
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synced to Earth perfectly? Would we, for spacecraft very far away,
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have to pinpoint or point telescopes further ahead of where
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they will be if it takes hours for the signal,
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or if it's close to a body like the Parker
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Solar probe. Would that not mess with the signals with
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delays possible or possibly the signal bending somehow. I'm sure
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these are taken into account, but I just wonder how
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people plan for it. I know telescopes account for this
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with redshift, but I wasn't sure how two way communication
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with satellite probes works. That's a really interesting question because
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we take for granted that we can still communicate with Voyager,
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and it is way beyond anything else that we've sat
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out so far.
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Right, it's twenty two light hours away at the moment
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I remember, Yeah, So yeah, it is a good question,
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but it can all be compensated for, and in fact
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the ben mentions the signals. And there's a classic case
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of I think it was the Cassini spacecraft when it
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was on its way to Saturn.
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This is in the early two thousands.
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It was at one point behind the Sun to us,
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but we could still see the signals because they were
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being bent by the gravitational effect of the Sun, just
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like light is. You know, it's the general relativity says
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that gravity will alter the direction of a beam of
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light or a beam of radiation. Then that was one
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of the ways. Actually, the Cassini observations of signals coming
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from the you know, the spacecraft being on the backside
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of the song but still being able to see the
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signals was one of the again one of the confirmations
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of gravitational deflection of light. Once again, you know, underpinning
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relativities absolutely fundamental place, you know, understanding of the universe.
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And yes, if you if you had a spacecraft that
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was moving across our line of sight and occasionally they
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are doing because they're you know, if you've got gravitational
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sling shot maneuvers, that might well put the spacecraft on
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the trajectory that's going across our line of sight. You
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do need to aim your your radio telescope ahead of it.
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You've got to you've got to take it into account,
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and people do that and it's completely routine. So because
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we understand what the orbits are doing, it's uh, it's
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basically a routine, you know, a routine maneuver or maneuver
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of telescope operations. Probably the person to talk to you
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about this is Glenn Nagel, who looks after the Tidbin
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Miller tracking station, one of NASA's deep space tracking network,
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which is stop far from camera. I might talk to
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him about it next time, I seeing.
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Yeah, why not? So Ben was pretty spot on with
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his salrus. Ben goes on to say thank you for
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answering this rambling and for the wonderful podcast. He said,
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I also worked for the ABC in Ultimo for a while.
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That's in Sydney, so maybe we crossed paths Andrew and
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never knew it. I was in the dark corner of
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the newsroom, Ben. I never got to the newsroom much.
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I think I actually only entered the newsroom once in
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my life, and I could feel the tension the moment
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or walked in. I know they talk about the atmosphere
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of places creating certain awareness amongst humans. I've never felt
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more intimidated than the Dale walked into the ABC Radio newsroom.
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I could feel how I don't know how deep the
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place was as an observer, and that's where they make
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all the news and current affairs programs for ABC in
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New South Wales. And I yeah, look, I don't envy
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you being there. I couldn't have worked in that environment.
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It was just too much for me. I liked my
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little regional radio job out in the Sticks much more,
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much more relaxed. Thank you, Ben. Great to hear from you,
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and hope all is well in Chicago. This is Space
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Nuts with Andrew Dugley and Professor Fred Watson Space Buds.
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Let's get some audio questions sorted out. Fred, and one
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of our regular sender inters is Sandy from I'm going
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to say Melbourne. I said that last time when I
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was wrong was a Brisbane I don't know Sandy somewhere my.
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Fred, Sandy from Melbourne a game. My question today is
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about the asteroid belts between Mars and Jupiter. As I understand,
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that's where the the primary asteroid belts are now, is
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there any other asteroid belts that's past the orbit of Jupiter,
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so I'm preferring to perhaps out towards Neptune that sort
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of or.
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Uranus sort of sort of distance.
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I'm assuming the answer is known, And if the answer
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is no, how come they've sort of massed together between
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Jupteri Mars and not further out.
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Thank you, Thanks Sandy. If you've got asteroids around Uranus,
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I think you should the doctor. But they're more likely
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to be emerhoids. Sorry I couldn't help it. Yeah, yeah,
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and look, I like the question because my first thought
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is we'll hang on the asteroid belt, yes, know all
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about that. Is there another one out there? And I
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just thought, well, it's the Kuiper Belt, but is not
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the same, is it? Or is it the same? Yeah?
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Right, Andrew.
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It's true that there are other asteroid belts, and they're
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quite different in character. So Sad is right that the
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main asteroid belt is the one and the most highly populated,
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is the one that lies between the orbits of Mars
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and Jupiter, and that's been known about since the early
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nineteenth century. The first one of those series was discovered
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on the first of January eighteen hundred and one, and
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that set the pass for you know the understanding that
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there is a belt of small objects between between Mars
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and Jupiter. We used to call them minor planets. In fact,
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when my MSc thesis is called the determination of minor
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planet orbits where you go. So that's what we now
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call the main asteroid belt. Actually, Sunday is right because
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he's talked about it as being multiple belts, and in
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a way there are different families is within those asteroid belts,
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within that main asteroid belt, if I put it that way.
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We talked about some of those in the last episode
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of Space Notes. Now as regards other asteroid belts, yes
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there are, and as you said, Andrew, the Kliper Belt
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is what really comes to mind. And that's just one
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of a number of different groups of icy asteroids which
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are beyond the orbit of Neptune, which is why they
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called trans Neptunian objects. One of the bigger ones is
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called Pluto, but it is just one of the bigger ones,
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and there are different families within that group of transit
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Tunian objects. There are objects called classical Coiper belt objects.
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There are objects called resonant objects where they have a
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resonance with the orbit of Neptune. And then the most
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distant ones are called scattered disc objects. So these are
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three different groups of objects which are in that to
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asteroid belt. They have a different formation we think from
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from the inner asteroid belt, because mostly I see those
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objects as we know blue toys, and that means that
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what we're seeing is a family of objects that really
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are the remnants of the of the of the cloud
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of dust and gas from which the Solar System formed.
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It's the outer extremities, objects that have never been warmed
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up by the Sun, the star that formed in the middle,
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whereas the asteroid belt is principally rocky objects, and we
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think it's just a sort of cloud of debris that's
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been shepherd in into that particular orbit between Mars and
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Jupiter by the huge gravitational pool of Jupiter. Jupiter's gravitational
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influence is enormous on the other planets and the minor planets,
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and we think that's what it is. There's a region
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between Mars and Jupiter where debris is collected and probably
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it's still primordial damer it's the rocky material from which
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the planets were made, but it was never able to
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form a planet because it's giant right next to it,
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as gravity is kind of swishing.
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It around a lot.
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So yes, logical reasons why we understand these different sorts
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of belts.
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What about the oat cloud? Yeah, would that be an
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asteroid belt of some kind?
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I'm meant to mention the oak cloud. Thank you for
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reminding me, Andrew, that's more of a sphere of objects
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rather than the belt of objects. I mean, we think
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