Salvatore Mancuso habló de su relación con Abelardo de la Espriella

0:00 I am struck by the attention that you describe as restorative management what Mr President of Fedegan, José Feliz Lafori, has been doing in the peace process with Eln I want to ask him what was the role of José Félix Lafforie in the election of Mario Guarán as Attorney General of the Nation and what was the participation of the self- defense groups in that election of the Attorney General. Well, look, I' m going back to what you say. Mr Lafor is playing an excellent role for the country and for peace as a peace manager in the negotiations with the ELNE and that seems to me to be absolutely rescueable and that is what I would invite all those who have said certain kinds of responsibilities directly or indirectly in the armed conflict to which forward is the way peace is made in the country and I really applaud it. As for the issue of Mario Guaran' s election, I was demobilized by that time.

1:10 I was proposed that if I could help tip the balance in favour of Mr Mario Barán, who by that time was or had been Minister of Justice. Even that reason is sent by the minister, Dr. Sabas Pretel de la Vega, and the one who was most chosen to win it to be appointed by the Supreme Court of Justice Attorney General of the Nation was Mr Jorge Pretel. But this situation changed as different people and self- defense commanders were touched to tip that balance and to elect Mr Mariguarán as Attorney General. Why I had designed it. He had been the author of the law nine thousand seven five out of two thousand five and could better implement it. Moreover, the reason was that it was supposedly a request made directly by the President of the Republic to Barurif, that is, you received that as a reason from the President of the Republic and the Minischo Cinta at that time. I told you that if you received this as a reason from the President of the Republic and the Minister of the Interior at that time, correct. He also wants to

2:43 ask you about the involvement of Belardo de las Priellas in this and, in general, his relationship with the lawyer of the Ardo de las Fieras. Well, Abelardo is a friend known from young logicians. I am older to him speaking is very friend, a very deep, very big relationship with Dr Mario Huaran for that time, since before he was pisco, when he was Attorney General, they were close friends. They had great ancestry from one over the other. And that' s basically what I know about Abelardo. He was with Fipaz in the Santa federalito area with several universities in the country, with several students from those universities, when the negotiation process with the Government of President Oribel was taking place. This Fipaz foundation to which he belonged at the time of the art of the pieces, because he was not a known lawyer, but rather they knew him there because he had been the singer of the group of Ballenato Iván Villazón. This Pipaz foundation appears as a beneficiary of contributions from a common fund of the paramilitary chiefs, that an accounting carried by Jairo Andrés Sangarita Commander Andrés and that, among other things, financed his trip to Bogotá to speak in Congress. You know how that FIFAZ Foundation funding worked, from

4:16 which he was a lawyer of the art of the dates. I don' t know how FIPAZ worked at the time, because Ernesto Baez, Commander Ernesto Baez, handled it. Yes, all the commanders made a contribution to the management of the realito zone when we started these negotiations with Drini' s government and those resources were handled by Commander Andrés, but I don' t know exactly how FIPAS worked and the resources that reached there.