Me han criticado por haber utilizado groserías como cualquier otra persona: Daniel Rojas

0:00 Mr Minister, good morning. Good morning to Daniel the work table and to all the listeners of the basic oil. Minister, thank you so much for accepting this frank conversation I want to start by asking you about your on- line Twitter messages. You believe that is the way to express the discrepancy with political contradictors. Well, clearly they have been privileged for the criticism of some messages that at some point in my life I put in the frame with the context of indignation as a citizen, since, therefore, I had no dignity either within the Government or within any office of representation. We are talking about the times of social outbreak, the times when he was simply a citizen with, of course, a link to social and political activism. But to answer your question, it is clearly not the way to answer it. And, as in other triunes, since I' m a civil servant, you can still be loyal to my principles, but of course, using the language you owe when you have this kind of dignity. Yes Minister, for some people think that this is not just a matter of good manners, but that this

1:33 verbal strife is a sign of intolerance and inability to argue with arguments. Let me read you a part of the Spectator' s editorial on the subject I open Comillas. President Petro says that to make that criticism is to concentrate on aesthetic forms, but it goes far beyond that. Rojas' x account shows a wine cellar style lover unable to give complex debates with empathy to TRICN. They consider their radicalism and lack of intellectual rigour. That the new Minister expresses himself in a similar way to the twitter wineries that celebrate so much in the House of Nariño, is not a coincidence, but a demonstration of the way in which the President likes politics to be done. What you answer to that criticism would be the Minister. No. I greatly respect the criticisms of the press about my appointment and on the basis of that respect, my answer is as follows. I am not very clear about what reference the editorial makes and many of our critics, when they name wineries let' s say that I could intuit that it is the freeling that the government has with the popular expression of the country and that it is as difficult as starting it And it is

3:07 so difficult to have an acceptance of the popular demands of the country in some part of the Colombian power, that they have no other way of defining them, but wineries. And clearly, we, if we have a feeling, we have a coincidence with what the popular sectors in Colombia express, because we represent them, because they come, because that is our origin. And I don' t want to say with this because the debate has been centered there that the popular sectors of the country only know how to say rude, no, but we do have a colombianity, if we have a culture, if we have some ways to see and understand the reality of the country, that has not been understood in the circles of power. And so the difficulty of understanding us. And that' s why the epithet of wineries on that basis, because I think it can be the editorial reason. We do represent that, of course, of course, of course in the criticisms you will always have to go and look for the triunes more or times that I have put in my life as an activist or in my youth life or in my life of indignation, but it has not suddenly focused on other kinds of publications in which we have given all kinds of debates, arguing, programmatic debates. I went to the coordinator of the design of the presidential program and on that presidential

4:39 program there was any kind of debate of all kinds, of technical type, of political type, in which we were always arguing, let' s say, we always had a spaced argument to give them clearly, because the criticism will not go to seek such pronouncements, but in reality we assume it. We assume it and just as we did when we accepted the presidency of special active societies, we accept and understand that we have certain limitations, but we also know that we have many capabilities to form large teams and to be able to assume the data that we are given. That one. Minister, allow me to return for a moment to the issue of wineries, as it has emerged here that they are not only attributable to sectors that sympathize with the Government, but to sectors that disagree with the Government. What when you talk about wineries, is spoken of from coordinated, constant and permanent operations in social networks with the purpose of insulting, criminalizing, in some cases or, in the other, canceling contents that are not favorable at some time to the interests, for example, of Uribism in some cases and in other cases, of the supporters of President Petro. This coordinated action is what has been called wineries, and it turns out that some exponents of these activists on social networks are handled very successfully using these vulgar or crude expressions. That' s why they identify

6:15 these expressions of theirs with those of some of the people we don' t have to name, but who have become part of their character using that kind of violent expression verbally and that is very successful on the social networks s BACOOLIX. Well, I don' t coordinate with anyone in my publications more than with myself, and maybe that' s the mistake. But if that' s the definition of wineries, then my wineries. I am myself because even when I am in the za, because I am currently still president of the AVEs, we have a communications team, the postings of my personal account only coordinate them with myself and, of course, sometimes filled with emotions. They make or make triunes, or I make publications that, like any human being, because they express feelings that at that moment I am having. It is understood, Minister, obviously, that the expression of feeling can always be done in words that are less intemperate. Let' s move on to another topic.

7:30 Several voices, including those of educational experts, have expressed concern that you lack academic training and specific experience in the sector. What enables you, Minister, to make the holder of a portfolio that is decisive for President Petroso' s government program. Well, the education sector. When we talk about the educational community or education, we would have to link not only those who call themselves experts, but also all sectors of society that make up the educational community, among them the student movement, among them the teachers, among them the same officials, directors of academic institutions and institutions linked to the education sector.

8:28 In this type of expression I have received the greatest of the supports and I want to take advantage of the space to thank you for the affability that within the student movement and within the teaching movement, joined and even within many of the rectors of public universities with which I have already had the opportunity to communicate, as they have spoken to me another type of criticism of people who can be called those in the education sector. I separate it into two who come to the attack to dominate. And notice that it is paradoxical that those who call themselves educational experts come to the attack to dominate, that is, to attack the person and not the argument, such as the case of Mr Sergio Fajardo or the case of Mr Alejandro Gaviria, to whom I can have the utmost respect, but you could not answer anything because they have come to criticize me because at some point I have used rudeness, like any person to use grocers, but let us also say more aimed at questioning me as people.

9:50 Like another kind of criticism. I just received a letter from Nabonilla' s teacher, whom I admire with respect, even if we have ideological differences, from the Secretary of Education. From Bo a letter in which I find elements quite valuable to discuss and to put in the exercise of my work many of the questions that she puts there, therefore, in the public discussion. So I make that difference to the former, because I prefer not to pay much attention to them, and to the latter, because I believe that in them I find potrultive criticisms on which we can draw up a national agreement on education.

10:33 You' re going to sit down with some of those critics who, for example, appoint Dr Nabonilla. Professor Julián de su Huiría has also made respectful criticisms of his experience. You would be interested in meeting them and listening to them, of course. Of course, it is of my greatest interest because I not only recognize them as valuable people in the education process, who have a lot to contribute to the country and who, in the framework of the difference, I insist that education can be that great nodal point of national agreement and for that they turn out to be tremendously valuable people and I would just love to take up the job of inviting them not only to listen to them, because it is one thing to listen to them, but also to link them in the construction of public policy And let' s say the direction that the Ministry should take, but also I have the same as special societies tell them. I am firmly convinced that I require a team of experts and people with a background, but also the political awareness of change that the government program tells us. So welcome the dialogue, not only so that I insist that we have a crossword of words, but also a dialogue with which I concretize specific things for the future of education are of the essence.