July 9, 2026
World Cup Commentator Carli Lloyd “I Don’t Owe Anyone An Apology”; Claps Back At Trolls
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RSS Feed Two time World Cup champion and double Olympic gold medalist Carli Lloyd called out the U.S. men’s national team star Christian Pulisic for his lackluster performance against Belgium and throughout the World Cup. She made comments on television and followed up on social media, but once word came out that Pulisic was playing on a broken leg, some fans demanded Lloyd apologize, one even using her pregnancy to body shame her after her honest assessment of Pulisic. Lloyd not only refused to apologize, she doubled down on her commentary, and we wonder if a man had offered the same critique, would anyone have even noticed?
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Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it is Thursday, you lie ninth. And of course we all saw that Christian Policic did not play well for the United States in the World Cup. He got all kinds of hell, all kinds of criticism, well deserved, but does it change your attitude about it when you hear that he actually has a fractured leg, not to Carly Lloyd. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. What an interesting little debate that's erupted American versus American to some degree. And it seems pretty clear which American people are siding with right now.
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Speaker 2: This is crazy.
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Speaker 3: It is interesting. So Carly Lloyd, who is arguably one of the greatest, if not the greatest, player in American soccer history, I think people would argue men or women. Carly Lloyd is a two time Women's World Cup winner, She's a double Olympic gold medalist. She had a hat trick correct in, one of the only.
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Speaker 1: Person in history with a hat trick in a damn World Cup final. Okay, do you know, people, robes that is absurd to do any time in your career, to do it on the most important stage. We're setting all this up to say if she says anything about soccer.
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Speaker 2: Respect it exactly.
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Speaker 3: There isn't anyone else in this country who can speak from personal experience, watch a soccer match, watch a soccer player, and have better insight into what should and shouldn't be happening. Okay, so when she came, I don't want to say came after, but when she's rightfully criticized Christian Pulisic, he was supposed to do more than he did in these games.
00:01:50
Speaker 1: Everybody agrees, by the way, yes, that is not a harsh criticism. We all agree. Even he acknowledged absolutely.
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Speaker 3: So she said to him, you wanted, or she said on television, you wanted some of these big time players to step up in big time moments. And I gotta be honest, I was a bit disappointed in Christian Politic. Whether he wants to be the star of this team or not. We didn't see enough from him in this particular game and really the whole World Cup, little glimpses here and there.
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Speaker 2: That's what she said about him that.
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Speaker 1: By any measure robes is not a harsh criticism. It was there. He is the star, he is the face. Now before Balligan became a headline. Most Americans couldn't name more than one guy on this team if that, and it's Christian Polistic. He's going around for a while Rose, but he's still young. He's twenty seven. They call this dude Captain America. I understand that's a lot of pressure, that's the point.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and we knew he had an ankle injury during the match. We didn't know the extent of it, but we knew that he did. And he responded when he was asked about how he was feeling right after the game, he said, now I get time to rest, so it'll be okay. What happened was carl Lloyd then went on X and said, you rest when your playing career is over.
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Speaker 2: Period.
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Speaker 3: And she said this on July seventh, right after he made those comments.
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Speaker 1: Now, that one was a little more of a poke than her on air comments were straight up analysis and criticism that was warranted and valid. This one she didn't have to say anything, but that was a personal jab at this guy. That that one stung, But again it's coming from Carly Lloyd. Carly Lloyd understands this better than you and I ever will, and I and I will respect that. Carly Lloyd, having competed at that same level, sees how he petered out in the most important moments when she also had several opportunities to peter out in the most important moments. And what does she do said soccer history.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so she's kind of like saying, well, you want to be the big star on the team, you want to be the guy, Well, then you got to show up even when it's hard, even when you're tired, even when you want to rest. And I think she was just kind of calling him out. And I do think if anybody could, it's her.
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Speaker 1: Now, what did you think about the tweet? Though? The criticism on air is one thing, but what do you think about it's funny?
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Speaker 3: She was clearly annoyed that he was saying, oh, now I get to rest, And her point was he's been resting.
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Speaker 2: He made a point about telling.
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Speaker 3: Everything he was resting. We saw you resting. Now you need to rest some more.
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Speaker 2: I cannot understand.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, if that criticism was coming from a man, would it be received the same way?
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Speaker 1: Wait, how is it being because I see more I see a debate in conversation. Do we see how many people are really saying I mean, as much as I'm poking at her a little bit about poking at him. I have no criticism of that tweet she sent about restling.
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Speaker 3: So interestingly enough, from what I have seen on X and actually even the New York Times, they are defending Carly Lloyd's comments.
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Speaker 2: Where this has become a little bit.
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Speaker 3: Of a lightning rod conversation is when a fan challenged her on X after she posted the maybe unnecessary tweet about resting, and when it was basically made public, Oh yeah, that medical tests revealed that Polistic actually suffered a bone bruise and a micro fracture of the tibia and fibula.
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Speaker 2: What is that exactly?
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Speaker 1: You're going to see some headlines that say he broke his leg. Okay, that's technically correct. Now, I hear micro fact fracture, and I hear, well, how bad is that? The only measure of how bad that is. It is a fracture. He's going to be back playing next.
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Speaker 2: Month, so that's what I just saw.
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Speaker 3: He's expected to miss four to six weeks. Yeah, because of this injury.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's a fracture, it's legit, and that's fine. I'm just I don't know what doesn't even matter. He broke his leg technically.
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Speaker 2: Right, technically yes? Fine.
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Speaker 3: So then someone a fan challenged Carly Lloyd on X and said, this is where we really get into the back and forth at Carly Lloyd waiting for apology. Now you went overboard on one of the greatest Americans to play this game, Champions League winner, etc. You owe him a direct apology. Okay, fine, Plenty people right back.
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Speaker 2: Clap back on X and on social media posts.
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Speaker 3: But Carly Lloyd chose to respond to this guy, and here is what she wrote, and this is what is making the big headlines. I don't owe anyone an apology. My comment wasn't about his postgame interview. He skipped Gold Cup last summer because he wanted to rest and be ready for World Cup.
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Speaker 2: He ended up resting the whole year. That's the facts. Nothing personal against him.
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Speaker 1: No, you can't. That was measured and anufactual. Yes, Rose, what are you saying, Carly? I have all obviously obviously loved her as a player. I am just I am a super fan as a commentator because she's doing it, She's threading the needle just the right way. Robes to be critical but also come with some of her personality based on experience, and I respect that her credentials make me respect everything she says. Robes, I don't. I don't. I don't find a criticism anywhere and anything she has said, there is nothing I can find to go well, maybe, oh, I don't like that, even when she jabbed him about resting when your career is over, Robes, Carly Lloyd is crushing this one.
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Speaker 2: Look.
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Speaker 3: I do think it was bold and honest for her to say what she said, but she is getting I mean she I'm looking at X, which is obviously a contentious place when you look at comics, but you've got you've got people who are one hundred percent in her corner and folks who are one hundred percent against her, And it's really like saying horrific things to her, like f off, be quiet, you shouldn't be responding. He played on a broken leg. His leg was being broken. There are people who are coming after her, But then there are other people who say, thank you for actually being one hundred percent right. And we appreciate having a serious commentator on the game. We need you just being willing to say what is actually happening, versus telling people what they need to hear, or what you think people need to be massaged enough to hear in a certain way.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've already taken note, but as a comment you're looking through, I'm curious if the harsh ones are coming from men. You did just say a second ago, Rose, and I hadn't thought about it, how the criticism, how this whole story would play differently if this had been a male criticizing a male criticizing Pulisic.
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Speaker 2: I wonder, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I does that play into it? You have a seven months pregnant woman on TV telling American superhero then he ain't good enough?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wonder I didn't.
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Speaker 3: I am looking at the negative ones, and they do like you can't always know, but I'm looking at the emojis and the names. The f Off was definitely a man, jud definitely a man. Stroke MacLean definitely a man. Some of the mean ones, and then she actually actually took on one that went really to me above or I saw I should say beyond the pale, because yes, she is seven months pregnant, she is due in September.
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Speaker 2: She is very pregnant.
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Speaker 3: On air, someone said looks like you've been resting really good lately, Big Mama with a bunch of laughing emojis and showing a picture of her clearly pregnant. She writes back, I can tell you are a gentleman. Do you always disrespect women? Does it make you feel good hiding behind your keyboard? So it's getting ugly, and the fact that they're taking shots at her physical appearance while she's pregnant with her second child kind of just says what we need to know.
00:10:59
Speaker 1: Just take a note, if you're listening, just take a note of that stuff and how ugly it is, and just be careful of never get be a part of something like that. Now we get caught up in these conversations and back and forth. That's just that was completely unnecessary. She did not say anything at all that warranted a personal attack on a pregnant woman. A pregnant woman, what the fuck is she supposed to look like every pregnant woman that seven months looks like she has some weight? What are you doing?
00:11:29
Speaker 2: What are we doing? Robes?
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Speaker 3: This is where the this is where social media goes.
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Speaker 2: This is where social media goes.
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Speaker 3: But I actually, when we come back, I loved this article in The Athletic The New York Times. They discussed Now this all came out before it was revealed that Pacilic had a broken leg or a fractured hairline, fractured whatever. Sorry sorry, yes, hair micro I was say hairline micro fracture. But what they had to say, which I appreciated about why when she did decide to make the criticism it was based not only in knowledge, but their point being when you're willing to say the hard thing and maybe not the politically popular thing, when you do give a compliment, when you do actually give praise, it means something versus what I think we're used to seeing this like varnished. Everybody's good, nobody's a loser, everybody's a winner mentality. I want to share with you what they had to say, and I wonder if it'll make any of you think differently about what Carly Lloyd had to say about her honest opinion? Is it okay to give your honest opinion these days? And welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We are talking about kind of maybe my new hero Carly Lloyd.
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Speaker 2: She's always been a heroine. She has just to hear you know.
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Speaker 3: I don't think I remembered fairly what her bona fides were. Just this woman knows what she's doing, and when she says something about the game of soccer, it's with absolute, full and total credibility beyond most people.
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Speaker 2: Would you say, we.
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Speaker 1: Are beyond you can't name. Let me start naming us soccer players and you'll come up with a bunch of women. You might come up with Alexi Lawless because he's on. It'll take you a second. M okay, you go back and forth with women.
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Speaker 3: I can, yes, but men, Donovan, would you come up with Dempsey?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't remember his first name. I've got to call him Patrick Dempsey. It's his name, Dempsey.
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Speaker 2: That's all I can think of is mc dreams.
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Speaker 1: And that's it. And I don't know if you would have come up with that.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that I would have either.
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Speaker 1: So what I'm saying robes these she is at the height, the absolute height of the explosion of soccer and women's soccer. She was smack dab in the middle of it, yep, and she is almost She has a If you want to start handing out percentages for who's responsible, a big chunk. If it goes to her individually, she so can't say it enough.
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Speaker 3: The New York Times described her as the woman who probably have the greatest individual performance in American soccer history, with a hat trick, including her legendary half field shot in the five to two World Cup final blowout of Japan. She has the resume to have a rhetorical impact.
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Speaker 1: Rose she had I would argue the best performance of any American in this World Cup.
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Speaker 2: She crushed it on TV, and yes, she just did.
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Speaker 1: And she continues, her coverage continues even though the US is out robes. She is just and I was even said to you, my goodness, how pregnant is she? Because she's dressing not as someone who's trying to look impressive on TV. She dresses as a woman wants to be comfortable.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's like, I'm about to give birth for the second time in September, and I'm going to dress however, I damn well please.
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Speaker 2: She was described I love it. She was with Jersey girl bluntness.
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Speaker 3: I love, love, love that, and so yeah, she spoke her mind about how she felt like the man that everybody was looking to Christian Polisic to pull off the victory we were all hoping for. He was the man, he was the star of the team, and he did not deliver, and she called him out on it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, reminder, he didn't score. The star of the team did not score in one of the how many games? Was that he had three four he set out one against Turkey A but he did not score in the World Cup roes. He is our most important player and by all the analyst lists analysis. They said he had one good half against Paraguay in the first match where it was four to one.
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Speaker 2: That's it.
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Speaker 1: They said, that was his moment. Okay, fine, you didn't have.
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Speaker 2: You need more than one moment.
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Speaker 1: Though, I am not going to criticize him for that. I'm not going to get on because to me, he's a damn hero. He's a superhero to be able to be out there and do what he does. But when Carly Lloyd tells me that he blew it, I'm listening.
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Speaker 3: Look, I love this first line of this article. They said on Monday night, the United States needed a star midfield fielder to step up and deliver. After ninety minutes plus stoppage time, she finally did. EHL, Yeah, Carly Lloyd had the most incisive critique of the US's four to one slacking at the.
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Speaker 2: Feet of Belgium.
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Speaker 3: They gave her credit for being basically someone who stepped up and said what needed to be said.
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Speaker 1: But what are we suppse Yes, because you keep Robes every time we have these defeats, these humiliations, that keep saying this is moving US soccer one step forward? And then they say, yes, this is good. The young people are getting excited. They're singing it on TV and they say it every time. It's the same story, it's the same song. So she stops singing that same song for a moment. And I know he's good looking. I know he's on every commercial with the credit cards and this and the that Christian plistic is everywhere, ropes everywhere. He is Captain America. Captain America didn't save the world. He didn't get close to saving the world in this world, Cup Robes, that's okay to say?
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Speaker 3: Is it okay for a woman to say? And by the way, obviously we've given out her resume. She has every right to critique and to say and to call things as she sees them because she knows but is part of this controversy now because she's a woman, and maybe even because she's a pregnant woman, how dare she in the vulnerable position she's in.
00:18:12
Speaker 1: We can't prove that right. So that's the thing. But that's one of those things, just that undertone.
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Speaker 3: I think it's a rub. I think it's a rub. Don't you think that's part of it? I think that's so much of it.
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Speaker 1: Well, when you said it earlier, I hadn't thought about right in the first block here when you said, what if a man had man had levied this criticism, would we be talking differently if a man had tweeted the same thing. You rest when your career is over, would anybody get given a dance?
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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't. I don't think so.
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Speaker 3: I think it's because it came from her, and it just well, she's pregnant.
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Speaker 1: If there's anybody America does not want to listen to, it's a pregnant one.
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Speaker 3: You know What's so funny though, I will say this, when having been pregnant to I have never felt more emboldened.
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Speaker 2: To say exactly what I think.
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Speaker 3: There is a mama bear hormone that takes over you where you are there to protect what's right and what's real and what's good, and there is just this almost necessary urge within you to say exactly what you think.
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Speaker 2: And how you see things.
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Speaker 3: So I actually am laughing because I do think that maybe her pregnancy hormones emboldened.
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Speaker 2: Her to say exactly what she was thinking. I do. I believe that.
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Speaker 3: I believe that I send shit to people to their faces that I don't think I would say now while I was pregnant, because don't mess with a pregnant woman.
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Speaker 2: Don't.
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Speaker 3: And she's whatever a pregnant woman is telling you, it's the truth, because I do think there's a biological response where you're like, I am going to be the shield of all bs because I'm protecting an innocent life. Right now, there's just something women when they're pregnant, and I think it's.
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Speaker 2: Something to it.
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Speaker 1: This now ties into it all makes sense to me. Now, all right, Finally I got it.
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Speaker 2: She was able to.
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Speaker 1: Thread a needle here that I think a lot of commentators are not able to do. She thread a needle, and you made me think of it when you said, Mama bear, she thread a needle here of some kind of tough love to where it's clear that Mama is disappointed, but she loves you.
00:20:23
Speaker 2: I don't know how she.
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Speaker 1: Did that in her and how she did all this, and I don't even know if it was her intent, but to your point, it might just be instinctive. She was still protective of and loving in some way of this guy, but gave him the hard, tough love and reality that was there. And I don't know, Robes, if we need more pregnant women doing comments is where we are?
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Speaker 3: You know what, you just teed this up perfectly, because this is how this awesome article that I just fell in love with and then Times ended it and it literally is exactly what you just said. Oh my god, this is what they said. This is what Carly Lloyd said at the end of all of this. So after her criticism, they had already lost. She said, Aside from this loss, the brighter storyline is that it's been a fantastic World Cup. This team has united the country, they have gotten American fans to fall in love with them, and there is a bright future. But this is just a real disappointing loss to go out on what The.
00:21:29
Speaker 2: New York Times said.
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Speaker 3: Her supportive words meant more because she had already given her honest analysis.
00:21:37
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go.
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Speaker 3: Because she was willing to be critical when necessary. When she gave them props, it meant more because you knew it was coming from her heart.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's funny, Carly Lloyd. Who knows she just became a star. She just became a superstar in this field. Now she is the new thing. She is about to be the new thing. Let her do comment Harry on anything. I hope she has more kids, because I will watch her do commentary on the cricket, pickleball, whatever. If Carlyn Lloyd's on. That is awesome. What a cool story to come out of the worldcop oticles.
00:22:13
Speaker 3: I love it and I love that a pregnant woman telling it like it is. Yeah, fine, it ruffled and feathers. That's okay, get used to it.
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Speaker 2: The truth hurts.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes and sometimes it's something we all need to hear. And she said it with love, and she said it with support. But she told the truth and that should be applauded. And with that, everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us. I made Robock alongside TJ. Holmes.
00:22:38
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it is Thursday, you lie ninth. And of course we all saw that Christian Policic did not play well for the United States in the World Cup. He got all kinds of hell, all kinds of criticism, well deserved, but does it change your attitude about it when you hear that he actually has a fractured leg, not to Carly Lloyd. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. What an interesting little debate that's erupted American versus American to some degree. And it seems pretty clear which American people are siding with right now.
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Speaker 2: This is crazy.
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Speaker 3: It is interesting. So Carly Lloyd, who is arguably one of the greatest, if not the greatest, player in American soccer history, I think people would argue men or women. Carly Lloyd is a two time Women's World Cup winner, She's a double Olympic gold medalist. She had a hat trick correct in, one of the only.
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Speaker 1: Person in history with a hat trick in a damn World Cup final. Okay, do you know, people, robes that is absurd to do any time in your career, to do it on the most important stage. We're setting all this up to say if she says anything about soccer.
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Speaker 2: Respect it exactly.
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Speaker 3: There isn't anyone else in this country who can speak from personal experience, watch a soccer match, watch a soccer player, and have better insight into what should and shouldn't be happening. Okay, so when she came, I don't want to say came after, but when she's rightfully criticized Christian Pulisic, he was supposed to do more than he did in these games.
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Speaker 1: Everybody agrees, by the way, yes, that is not a harsh criticism. We all agree. Even he acknowledged absolutely.
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Speaker 3: So she said to him, you wanted, or she said on television, you wanted some of these big time players to step up in big time moments. And I gotta be honest, I was a bit disappointed in Christian Politic. Whether he wants to be the star of this team or not. We didn't see enough from him in this particular game and really the whole World Cup, little glimpses here and there.
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Speaker 2: That's what she said about him that.
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Speaker 1: By any measure robes is not a harsh criticism. It was there. He is the star, he is the face. Now before Balligan became a headline. Most Americans couldn't name more than one guy on this team if that, and it's Christian Polistic. He's going around for a while Rose, but he's still young. He's twenty seven. They call this dude Captain America. I understand that's a lot of pressure, that's the point.
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Speaker 3: Yes, and we knew he had an ankle injury during the match. We didn't know the extent of it, but we knew that he did. And he responded when he was asked about how he was feeling right after the game, he said, now I get time to rest, so it'll be okay. What happened was carl Lloyd then went on X and said, you rest when your playing career is over.
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Speaker 2: Period.
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Speaker 3: And she said this on July seventh, right after he made those comments.
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Speaker 1: Now, that one was a little more of a poke than her on air comments were straight up analysis and criticism that was warranted and valid. This one she didn't have to say anything, but that was a personal jab at this guy. That that one stung, But again it's coming from Carly Lloyd. Carly Lloyd understands this better than you and I ever will, and I and I will respect that. Carly Lloyd, having competed at that same level, sees how he petered out in the most important moments when she also had several opportunities to peter out in the most important moments. And what does she do said soccer history.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, so she's kind of like saying, well, you want to be the big star on the team, you want to be the guy, Well, then you got to show up even when it's hard, even when you're tired, even when you want to rest. And I think she was just kind of calling him out. And I do think if anybody could, it's her.
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Speaker 1: Now, what did you think about the tweet? Though? The criticism on air is one thing, but what do you think about it's funny?
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Speaker 3: She was clearly annoyed that he was saying, oh, now I get to rest, And her point was he's been resting.
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Speaker 2: He made a point about telling.
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Speaker 3: Everything he was resting. We saw you resting. Now you need to rest some more.
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Speaker 2: I cannot understand.
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Speaker 3: And by the way, if that criticism was coming from a man, would it be received the same way?
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Speaker 1: Wait, how is it being because I see more I see a debate in conversation. Do we see how many people are really saying I mean, as much as I'm poking at her a little bit about poking at him. I have no criticism of that tweet she sent about restling.
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Speaker 3: So interestingly enough, from what I have seen on X and actually even the New York Times, they are defending Carly Lloyd's comments.
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Speaker 2: Where this has become a little bit.
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Speaker 3: Of a lightning rod conversation is when a fan challenged her on X after she posted the maybe unnecessary tweet about resting, and when it was basically made public, Oh yeah, that medical tests revealed that Polistic actually suffered a bone bruise and a micro fracture of the tibia and fibula.
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Speaker 2: What is that exactly?
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Speaker 1: You're going to see some headlines that say he broke his leg. Okay, that's technically correct. Now, I hear micro fact fracture, and I hear, well, how bad is that? The only measure of how bad that is. It is a fracture. He's going to be back playing next.
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Speaker 2: Month, so that's what I just saw.
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Speaker 3: He's expected to miss four to six weeks. Yeah, because of this injury.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's a fracture, it's legit, and that's fine. I'm just I don't know what doesn't even matter. He broke his leg technically.
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Speaker 2: Right, technically yes? Fine.
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Speaker 3: So then someone a fan challenged Carly Lloyd on X and said, this is where we really get into the back and forth at Carly Lloyd waiting for apology. Now you went overboard on one of the greatest Americans to play this game, Champions League winner, etc. You owe him a direct apology. Okay, fine, Plenty people right back.
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Speaker 2: Clap back on X and on social media posts.
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Speaker 3: But Carly Lloyd chose to respond to this guy, and here is what she wrote, and this is what is making the big headlines. I don't owe anyone an apology. My comment wasn't about his postgame interview. He skipped Gold Cup last summer because he wanted to rest and be ready for World Cup.
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Speaker 2: He ended up resting the whole year. That's the facts. Nothing personal against him.
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Speaker 1: No, you can't. That was measured and anufactual. Yes, Rose, what are you saying, Carly? I have all obviously obviously loved her as a player. I am just I am a super fan as a commentator because she's doing it, She's threading the needle just the right way. Robes to be critical but also come with some of her personality based on experience, and I respect that her credentials make me respect everything she says. Robes, I don't. I don't. I don't find a criticism anywhere and anything she has said, there is nothing I can find to go well, maybe, oh, I don't like that, even when she jabbed him about resting when your career is over, Robes, Carly Lloyd is crushing this one.
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Speaker 2: Look.
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Speaker 3: I do think it was bold and honest for her to say what she said, but she is getting I mean she I'm looking at X, which is obviously a contentious place when you look at comics, but you've got you've got people who are one hundred percent in her corner and folks who are one hundred percent against her, And it's really like saying horrific things to her, like f off, be quiet, you shouldn't be responding. He played on a broken leg. His leg was being broken. There are people who are coming after her, But then there are other people who say, thank you for actually being one hundred percent right. And we appreciate having a serious commentator on the game. We need you just being willing to say what is actually happening, versus telling people what they need to hear, or what you think people need to be massaged enough to hear in a certain way.
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Speaker 1: I don't know if you've already taken note, but as a comment you're looking through, I'm curious if the harsh ones are coming from men. You did just say a second ago, Rose, and I hadn't thought about it, how the criticism, how this whole story would play differently if this had been a male criticizing a male criticizing Pulisic.
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Speaker 2: I wonder, I don't know.
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Speaker 1: I does that play into it? You have a seven months pregnant woman on TV telling American superhero then he ain't good enough?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wonder I didn't.
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Speaker 3: I am looking at the negative ones, and they do like you can't always know, but I'm looking at the emojis and the names. The f Off was definitely a man, jud definitely a man. Stroke MacLean definitely a man. Some of the mean ones, and then she actually actually took on one that went really to me above or I saw I should say beyond the pale, because yes, she is seven months pregnant, she is due in September.
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Speaker 2: She is very pregnant.
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Speaker 3: On air, someone said looks like you've been resting really good lately, Big Mama with a bunch of laughing emojis and showing a picture of her clearly pregnant. She writes back, I can tell you are a gentleman. Do you always disrespect women? Does it make you feel good hiding behind your keyboard? So it's getting ugly, and the fact that they're taking shots at her physical appearance while she's pregnant with her second child kind of just says what we need to know.
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Speaker 1: Just take a note, if you're listening, just take a note of that stuff and how ugly it is, and just be careful of never get be a part of something like that. Now we get caught up in these conversations and back and forth. That's just that was completely unnecessary. She did not say anything at all that warranted a personal attack on a pregnant woman. A pregnant woman, what the fuck is she supposed to look like every pregnant woman that seven months looks like she has some weight? What are you doing?
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Speaker 2: What are we doing? Robes?
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Speaker 3: This is where the this is where social media goes.
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Speaker 2: This is where social media goes.
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Speaker 3: But I actually, when we come back, I loved this article in The Athletic The New York Times. They discussed Now this all came out before it was revealed that Pacilic had a broken leg or a fractured hairline, fractured whatever. Sorry sorry, yes, hair micro I was say hairline micro fracture. But what they had to say, which I appreciated about why when she did decide to make the criticism it was based not only in knowledge, but their point being when you're willing to say the hard thing and maybe not the politically popular thing, when you do give a compliment, when you do actually give praise, it means something versus what I think we're used to seeing this like varnished. Everybody's good, nobody's a loser, everybody's a winner mentality. I want to share with you what they had to say, and I wonder if it'll make any of you think differently about what Carly Lloyd had to say about her honest opinion? Is it okay to give your honest opinion these days? And welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We are talking about kind of maybe my new hero Carly Lloyd.
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Speaker 2: She's always been a heroine. She has just to hear you know.
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Speaker 3: I don't think I remembered fairly what her bona fides were. Just this woman knows what she's doing, and when she says something about the game of soccer, it's with absolute, full and total credibility beyond most people.
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Speaker 2: Would you say, we.
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Speaker 1: Are beyond you can't name. Let me start naming us soccer players and you'll come up with a bunch of women. You might come up with Alexi Lawless because he's on. It'll take you a second. M okay, you go back and forth with women.
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Speaker 3: I can, yes, but men, Donovan, would you come up with Dempsey?
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Speaker 2: No?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't remember his first name. I've got to call him Patrick Dempsey. It's his name, Dempsey.
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Speaker 2: That's all I can think of is mc dreams.
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Speaker 1: And that's it. And I don't know if you would have come up with that.
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Speaker 2: I don't know that I would have either.
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Speaker 1: So what I'm saying robes these she is at the height, the absolute height of the explosion of soccer and women's soccer. She was smack dab in the middle of it, yep, and she is almost She has a If you want to start handing out percentages for who's responsible, a big chunk. If it goes to her individually, she so can't say it enough.
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Speaker 3: The New York Times described her as the woman who probably have the greatest individual performance in American soccer history, with a hat trick, including her legendary half field shot in the five to two World Cup final blowout of Japan. She has the resume to have a rhetorical impact.
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Speaker 1: Rose she had I would argue the best performance of any American in this World Cup.
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Speaker 2: She crushed it on TV, and yes, she just did.
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Speaker 1: And she continues, her coverage continues even though the US is out robes. She is just and I was even said to you, my goodness, how pregnant is she? Because she's dressing not as someone who's trying to look impressive on TV. She dresses as a woman wants to be comfortable.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, she's like, I'm about to give birth for the second time in September, and I'm going to dress however, I damn well please.
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Speaker 2: She was described I love it. She was with Jersey girl bluntness.
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Speaker 3: I love, love, love that, and so yeah, she spoke her mind about how she felt like the man that everybody was looking to Christian Polisic to pull off the victory we were all hoping for. He was the man, he was the star of the team, and he did not deliver, and she called him out on it.
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Speaker 1: Okay, reminder, he didn't score. The star of the team did not score in one of the how many games? Was that he had three four he set out one against Turkey A but he did not score in the World Cup roes. He is our most important player and by all the analyst lists analysis. They said he had one good half against Paraguay in the first match where it was four to one.
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Speaker 2: That's it.
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Speaker 1: They said, that was his moment. Okay, fine, you didn't have.
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Speaker 2: You need more than one moment.
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Speaker 1: Though, I am not going to criticize him for that. I'm not going to get on because to me, he's a damn hero. He's a superhero to be able to be out there and do what he does. But when Carly Lloyd tells me that he blew it, I'm listening.
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Speaker 3: Look, I love this first line of this article. They said on Monday night, the United States needed a star midfield fielder to step up and deliver. After ninety minutes plus stoppage time, she finally did. EHL, Yeah, Carly Lloyd had the most incisive critique of the US's four to one slacking at the.
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Speaker 2: Feet of Belgium.
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Speaker 3: They gave her credit for being basically someone who stepped up and said what needed to be said.
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Speaker 1: But what are we suppse Yes, because you keep Robes every time we have these defeats, these humiliations, that keep saying this is moving US soccer one step forward? And then they say, yes, this is good. The young people are getting excited. They're singing it on TV and they say it every time. It's the same story, it's the same song. So she stops singing that same song for a moment. And I know he's good looking. I know he's on every commercial with the credit cards and this and the that Christian plistic is everywhere, ropes everywhere. He is Captain America. Captain America didn't save the world. He didn't get close to saving the world in this world, Cup Robes, that's okay to say?
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Speaker 3: Is it okay for a woman to say? And by the way, obviously we've given out her resume. She has every right to critique and to say and to call things as she sees them because she knows but is part of this controversy now because she's a woman, and maybe even because she's a pregnant woman, how dare she in the vulnerable position she's in.
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Speaker 1: We can't prove that right. So that's the thing. But that's one of those things, just that undertone.
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Speaker 3: I think it's a rub. I think it's a rub. Don't you think that's part of it? I think that's so much of it.
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Speaker 1: Well, when you said it earlier, I hadn't thought about right in the first block here when you said, what if a man had man had levied this criticism, would we be talking differently if a man had tweeted the same thing. You rest when your career is over, would anybody get given a dance?
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Speaker 2: I don't think so. I don't. I don't think so.
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Speaker 3: I think it's because it came from her, and it just well, she's pregnant.
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Speaker 1: If there's anybody America does not want to listen to, it's a pregnant one.
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Speaker 3: You know What's so funny though, I will say this, when having been pregnant to I have never felt more emboldened.
00:19:02
Speaker 2: To say exactly what I think.
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Speaker 3: There is a mama bear hormone that takes over you where you are there to protect what's right and what's real and what's good, and there is just this almost necessary urge within you to say exactly what you think.
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Speaker 2: And how you see things.
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Speaker 3: So I actually am laughing because I do think that maybe her pregnancy hormones emboldened.
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Speaker 2: Her to say exactly what she was thinking. I do. I believe that.
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Speaker 3: I believe that I send shit to people to their faces that I don't think I would say now while I was pregnant, because don't mess with a pregnant woman.
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Speaker 2: Don't.
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Speaker 3: And she's whatever a pregnant woman is telling you, it's the truth, because I do think there's a biological response where you're like, I am going to be the shield of all bs because I'm protecting an innocent life. Right now, there's just something women when they're pregnant, and I think it's.
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Speaker 2: Something to it.
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Speaker 1: This now ties into it all makes sense to me. Now, all right, Finally I got it.
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Speaker 2: She was able to.
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Speaker 1: Thread a needle here that I think a lot of commentators are not able to do. She thread a needle, and you made me think of it when you said, Mama bear, she thread a needle here of some kind of tough love to where it's clear that Mama is disappointed, but she loves you.
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Speaker 2: I don't know how she.
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Speaker 1: Did that in her and how she did all this, and I don't even know if it was her intent, but to your point, it might just be instinctive. She was still protective of and loving in some way of this guy, but gave him the hard, tough love and reality that was there. And I don't know, Robes, if we need more pregnant women doing comments is where we are?
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Speaker 3: You know what, you just teed this up perfectly, because this is how this awesome article that I just fell in love with and then Times ended it and it literally is exactly what you just said. Oh my god, this is what they said. This is what Carly Lloyd said at the end of all of this. So after her criticism, they had already lost. She said, Aside from this loss, the brighter storyline is that it's been a fantastic World Cup. This team has united the country, they have gotten American fans to fall in love with them, and there is a bright future. But this is just a real disappointing loss to go out on what The.
00:21:29
Speaker 2: New York Times said.
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Speaker 3: Her supportive words meant more because she had already given her honest analysis.
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Speaker 2: Okay, there you go.
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Speaker 3: Because she was willing to be critical when necessary. When she gave them props, it meant more because you knew it was coming from her heart.
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Speaker 1: Oh that's funny, Carly Lloyd. Who knows she just became a star. She just became a superstar in this field. Now she is the new thing. She is about to be the new thing. Let her do comment Harry on anything. I hope she has more kids, because I will watch her do commentary on the cricket, pickleball, whatever. If Carlyn Lloyd's on. That is awesome. What a cool story to come out of the worldcop oticles.
00:22:13
Speaker 3: I love it and I love that a pregnant woman telling it like it is. Yeah, fine, it ruffled and feathers. That's okay, get used to it.
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Speaker 2: The truth hurts.
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Speaker 3: Sometimes and sometimes it's something we all need to hear. And she said it with love, and she said it with support. But she told the truth and that should be applauded. And with that, everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us. I made Robock alongside TJ. Holmes.
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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you soon.