Nov. 13, 2026
FINAL Friday The 13th?: Today Was Predicted To Be The End Of The World
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RSS Feed Back in 1960, three renowned scientists published an article in the respectable “Science” magazine predicting that today, Friday, November 13th, 2026 would be the end of the world. Austrian-American physicist Heinz Von Foerster, along with two colleagues at the University of Illinois, said the world population would reach “infinity” on this date, and that their great grandchildren would be “squeezed to death” by overpopulation. Obviously, we’re still here and while the prediction may seem silly now, there were some significant changes made because of this prediction that have bought the human race some more time. Now what are you going to do with it?
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Speaker 1: It's the end of the world as we know it.
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Speaker 2: I'm done. Are you embarrassed now?
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Speaker 1: No, I'm just being me.
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Speaker 2: Let's get it going. Hey there, folks. That is a great intro to this episode, which might be the last episode we ever do, given that we're doing it on November 13th, 2026. The day that scientists predicted... Doomsday. That it's all over for us. And the day isn't over yet, Robes. But no matter what happens today, it turns out these scientists were actually right. Welcome, everybody. I'm TJ. That's Robes. You brought this to my attention. I think you brought this to my attention maybe even as much as a month ago. Because you said people were starting to get into this. Yes.
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Speaker 1: I started to see articles about people writing that November 13th, 2026 is the end of the world. And we've heard these kind of doomsday predictions before, but this one was of note.
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Speaker 2: What was the Y2K? Weren't we around that? Oh, yes.
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Speaker 1: Everyone thought that the computers and all the clocks and everything was just going to start going haywire and we weren't going to be able to communicate with each other. We weren't going to be able to bank. We weren't going to be able to Yes, do anything from a technological standpoint because everything was going to get mucked up.
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Speaker 2: We were both working professionally, I think, at that time. So that was a bonkers time to be in news.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Y2K. I had to actually do, I believe I was, I had to do the overnight shift in case anything happened. So I had to sit there and babysit a camera. In case anything happened. Well, that's because I was very low on the totem pole. So I had to sit there and babysit cameras in case anything went crazy. Yes.
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Speaker 2: And it didn't.
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Speaker 1: Nope.
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Speaker 2: And so far on this day, which is a Friday, the 13th, which you can put that into the spookiness of the day. Now, this prediction, Robes, was made a long time ago. Yes. And it was a big deal at the time. This is really, this is actually a fascinating story when you get into it. But the headline is legit. Someone did a study, Robes, in 1960, published it, and argued... based on a mathematical equation, today is the day we're doing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a renowned scientist, along with two colleagues at the University of Illinois. This was an Austrian-American physicist. So a smart dude who published this paper in a respectable magazine. Science is the name of the magazine.
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Speaker 2: I'm told it's a big deal. So we say respectable. I'm told it's actually really, really legit.
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Speaker 1: And the name of this Austrian-American physicist, his name is Heinz von Forster.
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Speaker 2: All right, Heinz.
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Speaker 1: That sounds legit, right? Heinz knows what he's talking about. The name of the article, also, it'll jump out at you, Doomsday, Friday, 13 November, A.D., 2026. That was the name of it.
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Speaker 2: That'll get your attention.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it will.
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Speaker 2: Okay, again, this is in 1960. So his argument robes, and crazy as it sounds, I read it this morning.
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Speaker 1: That's not crazy. You read everything. You'll read a 200-page court filing. And I'm just like, can you give me the clip notes?
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Speaker 2: Thanks. Okay. It works for us.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: It's math. It has a foundation. This isn't just some wild theory. It is based in science and math that you can't even follow. But he lays out a math.
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Speaker 1: It's not hard for me not to be able to follow math.
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Speaker 2: That's true. What's 17 plus 18? Ooh, 35.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Just checking.
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Speaker 1: I'm not terrible, but I'm not great.
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Speaker 2: You know what? You usually just freak out. You panic for some reason. You know the answer, but for some reason you tell yourself you're bad at math.
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Speaker 1: Correct. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yes. You question yourself.
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Speaker 1: I do.
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Speaker 2: Even when I said 18 and 17, you looked up to the heavens.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Do I know this one?
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Speaker 1: But it came to me.
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Speaker 2: It did. But anyway, this article. It's based on Matt Rose. It goes through 2,000 years of demographic data, shows we are growing at such a rate that if we continue at this rate, then by 2026, and the date he picked was November 13th, by that day we have reached, our population has reached infinity. Now that sounds crazy, but does it make sense? We've been reading through it now. Can you explain it to the people?
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's It's basically when you have people having multiple kids exponentially, it makes sense. Your population grows to the point where it's not controllable. I believe, did he write something that said, I'll paraphrase here, our great-grandchildren won't starve to death. This isn't about not having enough resources or not having enough food. to feed the world's population, he said they'd literally be squeezed to death. That there actually would just physically not be enough space in the world for everybody to coexist on the planet?
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Speaker 2: Or as they say, excuse me, they say they base this on a mathematical equation that at one point, that equation no longer accounted for any more growth. Like this is your max, infinity. There's nothing more. So they couldn't make any more predictions anymore. And so they said, this is the date. Robes, at the time, it wasn't really embraced. They called them crazy. And it turns out, Robes, it took a little while. They were right. And the science was sound. However, with the headline that today is your last day. Suppose it was. Would we be recording episodes today?
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 2: Probably not.
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Speaker 1: We would not. What would we do if this were the last day? Last day of the world. I mean, honestly, I think I can say this pretty... pretty confidently that we do live a lot of our life like that, with that in mind. You live enough life, you go through enough stuff, you lose people you love. I've fought a life-threatening disease. We've both had our lives completely upended. Everything we thought was sure and safe got thrown up when you lose your everything in a lot of ways, you are forced to then deal in the here and now and what is important right now. It really forces you to focus on what matters. And so, yes, if this were the last day, we would have our girls with us.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if we'd be anywhere but here.
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Speaker 1: We'd be at home.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what else to do.
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Speaker 1: Pop a bottle of champagne or we'd be making margaritas. Doing some FaceTime and And we'd be, yes, we'd be with as many of our close family and friends as we could. We'd be watching. We'd have some fun movie in the background. We'd have popcorn popping. We would just, we would celebrate. And we do try to do that. I would argue most days and certainly most weeks, we make sure that we include and schedule fun in our lives. And we have done that for some time.
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Speaker 2: And when we don't, we actually give ourselves a hard time. Really?
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Speaker 1: Why are we having more fun right now? I do.
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Speaker 2: There are times we're working in the studio and I will turn, make sure there's no news on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll just say we have to get out of the workspace. We got to go. We, no, we do pretty, pretty good at that. And you have, um, I've, I've come on board based on experience, but this is kind of a, I mean, look, ropes, you're dealing with breast cancer. I mean, and it's never done.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 2: Right. So that to see that I've seen that, from you since before we were ever dating.
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Speaker 1: So, um, you met me the year after my diagnosis. So you've only known me as a survivor. And so, yes, my mind shift, my mindset shifted significantly and it's still, it's still there. It's in, in like, like drive.
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Speaker 2: No, I never really considered that. Uh, you say it out loud. Of course, that's the case. I've only known you. I've never known you pre-cancer.
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Speaker 1: I was different. I was different. 100%. And I think anybody who's been through a significant situation like that where you actually thought you might die. And it's, yes, I know it's something when you know somebody or you love somebody who's been in that situation. But I would argue when it happens to you, it takes on a whole new life. Yes, I'm sorry sometimes if I'm a little manic or I'm urgent in wanting to experience things in life and not wanting to say let's do it next year. And you've been on board with that too. You'll say, why are we waiting? And so, yes, my mom will even say to me, you don't sit still. And I sit a lot stiller than I did before because I'm with the person I love and we have our world that we've built. And so I don't need to be anywhere else as long as I'm next to you. But, yes, I still have thatâ That adventurous mindset that I took on in a significant way after my diagnosis.
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Speaker 2: We don't sit still enough.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: We don't. We're always going. That was a string of, was it four Fridays in a row? We couldn't believe. One Friday, we were at a frat party, for God's sake. That's true. Legit. Then the next weekend, we're at a birthday party. One of our best friends. And then we were out until two in the morning, like three straight weekends. And like, who are we? But I'm glad we did it all.
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Speaker 1: I don't regret any of it.
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Speaker 2: Not a second of that sleep that was lost.
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Speaker 1: It's funny because true story here. I was just on the phone before we jumped on trying to schedule an appointment. And I kept saying, oh, nope, I've got something. Oh, nope, I've got something. And I actually can't even sleep. an appointment because we have fun stuff coming up.
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Speaker 2: That's good stuff.
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Speaker 1: That's a good problem to have.
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Speaker 2: So, yes, I don't know if we'd be so desperate if it was the last day because we have lived that way almost to a certain degree. Roads is some stuff we do acting as if it is our last day or this is our last trip. or this is our last opportunity. We don't wait. So yeah, if this was our last day, I think we'd probably be pretty chill.
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Speaker 1: I think so too. I think so too. I genuinely, genuinely think that. It is funny though, when you look at some of these numbers, this math that we talk about, these scientists ran these numbers. They were predicting that in 2026, there would be 131 billion people in the world. Isn't it something to know? Because I wouldn't have even known. Would you know what the world population is right now without looking it up?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we hover around 8.5 billion, don't we?
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Speaker 1: Wow, you're pretty impressive. Is that right? It's 8.3 billion. Right, and the United Nations is predicting that in the 2080s, so what is that, 40 years from now, we'll be at 10.3 billion. So a far cry from the 131 billion that the computer models were predicting. Or were there computers back then? The mathematic equations were predicting. We're at like 10% of what they thought we'd be at, which is a good thing.
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Speaker 2: So we can argue then, Robes, they were clearly wrong. Not really. This is, I am so glad, when you first told me about this story, I was saying, another one of these things, and This was based in something that proved itself to be true, Robes, and we just evolved. And technology came along in ways that these scientists could not predict at the time. But where did it go, Robes? They made this prediction in 1960. Yep. And the pace of growth in our population went exactly how they said it was going to do for the next, what, two decades?
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Speaker 1: Correct. Everything changed in the 1980s. Everything changed. And a lot of Folks, you can look back now and reflect saying that big push in the 1970s for birth control, it had a massive impact on the world population. It had significant, significant impact. If I think about it, I was born in 73, you were in 77. But look, my mom is still and was a practicing Catholic. Her mom had 10 kids. My dad's mom had six kids. My dad's mom actually had to get permission from a priest to have her tubes tied and Because she had so many complications with her last child. But it was not something you were expected as a woman in the 60s and maybe even into the 70s to have as many kids as God would give you. And that really was the mindset for a lot of families, especially Catholic families, I would say.
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Speaker 2: I was going to just say it. My parents, both of them, seven. Yes. On both sides.
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Speaker 1: Yes. My dad's one of six. My mom's one of ten.
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Speaker 2: Mom's one of seven. My dad's one of seven.
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Speaker 1: So there you go. And so everything changed.
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Speaker 2: And I'm one of two.
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Speaker 1: Right. And same, because my mom found herself with two kids by the age of 21, trying not to use birth control, being the good Catholic that she was. My grandfather went to his priest with my grandmother and said, my wife's cutting me off. She just had twins at 40. And one of the twins ended up dying after birth. So she gave birth to 10 kids. And he's like, my wife at 40 is now saying, I'm not going to have sex with you because- I can't have another child. I can't go through this anymore. And the priest said, do what you need to do to keep your marriage intact, which isn't exactly what the Pope would have said. But it gave my grandfather enough of a green light for my grandmother to get on the pill. So anyway, my mom at 21 gets on the pill because she's like, I can't go along the same path as my mother.
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Speaker 2: You sure your mom is okay with you telling this story? I think she's okay.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I learned I was an accident and so was my brother and I'm okay with that.
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Speaker 2: I think you might be giving too much family history.
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Speaker 1: The point being is the mindset changed, the focus changed, birth control became the go-to and it spread around the world. And it countered a lot of what some religious organizations and some other influencing factors were before that where women were told this is your duty almost to have as many kids as you can and modern science children didn't survive for the you know you had to have a lot of kids to end up with a few at the end because of all of the illnesses and diseases that were not under control at that point so it all makes sense if we had continued at the pace we were at beforehand we might be at world extinction now.
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Speaker 2: And they say a big part of that was the population control, birth control, but access to it.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Not just the push to use it, but around the world it became easier to get. So robes, what happened? We were going along the path. These guys, I think there's a gal in there too.
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Speaker 1: There is a gal in there.
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Speaker 2: Okay. Patricia Moore, I want to give her her love. And Lawrence W.
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Speaker 1: Amiotte.
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Speaker 2: Is his name? Those are the two researchers who did this with Forster.
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Speaker 1: The University of Illinois. That was where they all came up with this. And not just came up with it. Obviously, this is scientifically based. But from this study, we have some of the quotes from the study. That was released. And it's interesting. It shall be called Doomsday since it is on that date that the population goes to infinity and And that the clever population annihilates itself.
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Speaker 2: That sounds pretty doomsday-ish.
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Speaker 1: Very much so. It is hoped that the preceding expose will add some fuel to the heated controversy about whether or not the time has come when something has to be done about population growth control.
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Speaker 2: And that is the point. This was a big debate at the time. And they knew this would get attention, and it certainly did. But Rose, as much as they want to criticize them for the headlines... the science and the math, the facts were sound in this. I am so glad you brought this to my attention. And you know, there was more to it. I love this.
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Speaker 1: Because if we had continued along the path that we were on in terms of how many children each family was having, yes, we might be in a much different situation today. They said, we have to control The fertility rate. They knew this. They were putting this out there. Today, this means cutting the birth rate to about half its present value, or in other words, cutting the size of an average family to just a little above two children. That's interesting to think that in the 60s, the average... Birth rate was, I guess that means four plus per family. But if you think about what your parents, what their siblings, how many siblings they had, and then before them, I mean, we're talking broods of family. Like my mom used to say, I look back and think about our lives and how... We would take up an entire church pew just with one of our, like people would stare at us. They were even large in those days. My mom was born in 53, so in the 50s and early 60s, they were even a spectacle with a family of, I guess, yeah, at that point there were nine surviving siblings. So there were 11 of them going anywhere. And they didn't have a lot of money, so they weren't going out to eat or anything like that. But just getting into a vehicle and getting out of a vehicle, right? Think about that. There's an 18-year spread. I have an aunt who's more like my sister. She's only six years older than me, and she's 13 years younger than my mom. So, I mean, that's what happened back in the day.
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Speaker 2: Oh, my God. You are telling so much about your family today.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just, I do think, though, it's something that a lot of people can relate to, that if you look back in your families, there were significantly larger-sized families.
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Speaker 2: I just love the word brood. Brood.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's no other way to describe a family of 11.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so here's the thing about that last quote, Robes. The world did what they said we should do. Yes. And we did cut the birth rate by more than half.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. We certainly did. And they went on to say, man has always been able to develop the appropriate technology to feed himself, or he has always produced the appropriate population to master his technological tasks. We may consider with considerable confidence that the principle of adequate technology, which proved to be correct for over 100 generations, will hold for at least three more.
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Speaker 2: They left room for we don't know. what the next generation is going to come up with. We don't know how they're going to adjust. We don't know how they're going to communicate and work this out. So they did leave room for that. I thought that was interesting. He said, we have always been able to develop appropriate technology to feed ourselves.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're kind of trying to scare people into changing their habits or being open to... shrinking their families. And it worked, obviously. And look, I mean, I remember back not even that long ago where China had a one-child rule. Now you've got countries like China, Japan, Hungary, there are several of them out there that are actually trying to incentivize their populations to have more children because they actually have such a declining birth rate. It's concerning. And we've obviously seen a massive drop in the birth rate here in this country significantly. I mean, we've seen a drop in marriage rates, a drop in fertility rates to the point where now there's concern we need to actually encourage our young folks, our new generation to to have more children or any children.
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Speaker 2: And women are having them much later now, right?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. So they couldn't have foreseen the technology that was going to be in place to allow women to wait until their 30s or 40s and maybe even 50s to have their first child.
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Speaker 2: What did you try to say, baby?
00:20:31
Speaker 1: We were talking about cancer earlier. Sorry. Hey, baby. Technology.
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Speaker 2: Technology. Man always develops the appropriate technology.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be in time for us. But, hey, you never know.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Why do you always laugh at me?
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Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh, because I'm 53.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: So, look, and I know that I've always had a hard time understanding. We've seen these doomsday clocks, and there is an official doomsday clock, is there not?
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Speaker 2: I've never been able to figure this out. They say how close we are to midnight or something.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: It's some equation they used. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: The doomsday clock began in 1947. Oh, I didn't realize. So even before these scientists made all of these predictions, in 1947. That was the.
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Speaker 2: Year of my parents' birth.
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Speaker 1: Oh, that's so interesting. So the doomsday clock was created back then, and that's when the greatest danger to humanity came from nuclear weapons. Everyone was concerned about nuclear obliteration. And look, they said, obviously, the ensuing Cold War that began between the United States and the Soviets, but it was all brewing back then. And so they consider that the possible end of the world could be either from, yes, a nuclear explosion or climate change. That became part of the conversation in 2007. So now they say today the biggest threat is, they say we're at the closest the clock has ever been to midnight in in its history. And so this is the bulletin of the Atomic Scientists Science and Security Board. They set the clock.
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Speaker 2: Why are we so close to destruction now?
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Speaker 1: They say that they're calling for urgent action because the biggest threats are they want to limit nuclear arsenals, create international guidelines on the use of artificial intelligence, and they want to form multilateral agreements to address global biological threats. And look, we have heard these headlines in recent months about, yes, the threat of... Obviously, we've been talking about nuclear weapons. Why else did we invade Iran? Not invade Iran, but bomb Iran, according to the president. It was to stop their nuclear stockpiling. And then the global biological threats. Yes, we're worried about, I don't know, lab-borne diseases. Did we have a threat of... The plague coming back out of Russia.
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Speaker 2: Pneumonic plague out of Siberia, yeah. Pneumonic plague, yes.
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Speaker 1: And we also obviously have the threat of Ebola, and we just went through the pandemic. And look, I remember being in my senior year social studies class, and I remember Dr. O'Neill. It's funny how you remember certain professors. But in my high school, I remember being shocked when he was talking about population control and talking about how the plague was a good thing. Because if the plague hadn't happened, he was arguing that we might not even exist in that current classroom in whatever it was, 1991. But he said, we need population control. And sometimes plagues and pandemics and things that seem obviously and are devastating at the time actually end up helping our planet readjust or recorrect because The biggest threat, he claimed, I remember, at that time was overpopulation.
00:24:00
Speaker 2: What were his thoughts on slavery?
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Speaker 1: Such a scary thing to hear.
00:24:04
Speaker 2: I didn't ask him.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't really on my mind.
00:24:07
Speaker 2: Because bad stuff can end up ultimately being good.
00:24:11
Speaker 1: He was trying to shock us into being curious.
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Speaker 2: I'm shocked as shit. Yes, I am.
00:24:16
Speaker 1: I was like, I've got a professor up here telling me that when millions of people died, it ended up being a good thing.
00:24:21
Speaker 2: All right. I want to look up his research on COVID.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 2: Dr.
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Speaker 1: O'Neill, well, he was an older gentleman back in 1991, not sure if he's still with us, but it did, but I remember being kind of shocked into getting curious in that moment, but it does fall in the same vein of thinking that, yes, if we maybe don't want to encourage any sort of mass outbreak of any kind, but to consider that, yes, how many people on this planet, using its resources, and taking care of this planet instead of pillaging this planet, it does, we do question still to this day what we are leaving to future generations.
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Speaker 2: We only have so much space. We only have so many resources. And we're all jockeying for whatever's left on this earth. So yes, that is a legit argument. It was a legitimate one back then. And I am, this story just went in a direction I wasn't expecting it when I first saw that headline. This is an interesting, and it's a good conversation. Robes is something, yes, population control, the legitimacy of that. Where are we sitting now? At the time, it was an argument over, I guess, Cold War, like we mentioned, but Robes, the idea of nuclear war and what that could do to further scarcity, and if you've got too many people fighting for less and less stuff, these are great conversations to have. I love them.
00:25:56
Speaker 1: I think they're interesting. It's something we should all be curious about. Also, it's important to note, why November 13th, 2026? There was actually a specific reason.
00:26:10
Speaker 2: Well, it was the computer initially spit out this a date that was written in like a decimal or whatever. And it was kind of giving you the area around late 2026. But they had kind of a radius of give or take a few years, but he needed to get people's attention roped and he needed to pick a specific date, which was smart. Yes.
00:26:40
Speaker 1: So he picked November 13th, 2026, but November 13th was a very special day because That was Heinz von Forrester's birthday.
00:26:52
Speaker 2: That's a good joke.
00:26:53
Speaker 1: So we should say happy birthday to Heinz von Forrester, who would have been 115 years old if he had lived. He lived until 2002. He died in October of 2002, so 24 years ago. He made it to a ripe old age. Again, my math, 115 minus 15. Here she goes.
00:27:15
Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't even put you on the spot. You put yourself on the spot.
00:27:18
Speaker 1: I know.
00:27:18
Speaker 2: I'm going to sit here until you come up with it.
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Speaker 1: 115,000. Did he make it to 89?
00:27:25
Speaker 2: You said, did he?
00:27:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I got that right. 89. I'm going to go with that. Do you want to do the math?
00:27:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like.
00:27:34
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm wrong.
00:27:34
Speaker 2: He said he made it to what? He would have been 115 if he.
00:27:36
Speaker 1: Had lived to today, November 13th, 2026. He died in October of 2002. So he died 24 years ago. He wasn't 89. 99. Wait. You said 99?
00:27:52
Speaker 2: I said 89. I was off. You said 91.
00:27:54
Speaker 1: I said 89.
00:27:55
Speaker 2: I said he would have lived to 89.
00:27:57
Speaker 1: It was 99. 91. Wow. Wait a minute. You said, so it's 115 minus what?
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Speaker 2: 24.
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Speaker 1: 24. Yeah.
00:28:12
Speaker 2: So we talk about, are we not talking about 91?
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. 91.
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Speaker 2: Oh my God.
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Speaker 1: I got it. I got flipped. Yes.
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Speaker 2: 91.
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Speaker 1: Jesus.
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Speaker 2: You weren't kidding.
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Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if I had written it down, obviously I'd have been fine, but I'm really bad about mental math. Who's good at mental math? I am so impressed when people are. It's not me.
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Speaker 2: But we're talking simple addition and subtraction. Subtraction.
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Speaker 1: And so it's pretty simple to say subtraction too. Anyway, we're having a hell of a day on our.
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Speaker 2: Final day here.
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Speaker 1: Don't deflect. I know, you're right. I was like, look at what he just did. But it is nice to know that we have hopefully many, many, many, many more generations to come. And yeah, now we're encouraging people to have more babies. Everybody get busy. That's what some countries are asking. So anyway, we hope you enjoy. Treat it like it's the last day. Whatever day you're watching this or listening to this, I would just say if you're here listening, watching, treat today like it was your last day. What would you do? And go ahead and get it done.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's go do it.
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Speaker 1: All right, I love it. So thank you all for being with us. I'm Amy, that's DJ. We will see you soon.
Speaker 1: It's the end of the world as we know it.
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Speaker 2: I'm done. Are you embarrassed now?
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Speaker 1: No, I'm just being me.
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Speaker 2: Let's get it going. Hey there, folks. That is a great intro to this episode, which might be the last episode we ever do, given that we're doing it on November 13th, 2026. The day that scientists predicted... Doomsday. That it's all over for us. And the day isn't over yet, Robes. But no matter what happens today, it turns out these scientists were actually right. Welcome, everybody. I'm TJ. That's Robes. You brought this to my attention. I think you brought this to my attention maybe even as much as a month ago. Because you said people were starting to get into this. Yes.
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Speaker 1: I started to see articles about people writing that November 13th, 2026 is the end of the world. And we've heard these kind of doomsday predictions before, but this one was of note.
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Speaker 2: What was the Y2K? Weren't we around that? Oh, yes.
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Speaker 1: Everyone thought that the computers and all the clocks and everything was just going to start going haywire and we weren't going to be able to communicate with each other. We weren't going to be able to bank. We weren't going to be able to Yes, do anything from a technological standpoint because everything was going to get mucked up.
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Speaker 2: We were both working professionally, I think, at that time. So that was a bonkers time to be in news.
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Speaker 1: Yes, Y2K. I had to actually do, I believe I was, I had to do the overnight shift in case anything happened. So I had to sit there and babysit a camera. In case anything happened. Well, that's because I was very low on the totem pole. So I had to sit there and babysit cameras in case anything went crazy. Yes.
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Speaker 2: And it didn't.
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Speaker 1: Nope.
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Speaker 2: And so far on this day, which is a Friday, the 13th, which you can put that into the spookiness of the day. Now, this prediction, Robes, was made a long time ago. Yes. And it was a big deal at the time. This is really, this is actually a fascinating story when you get into it. But the headline is legit. Someone did a study, Robes, in 1960, published it, and argued... based on a mathematical equation, today is the day we're doing.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, this was a renowned scientist, along with two colleagues at the University of Illinois. This was an Austrian-American physicist. So a smart dude who published this paper in a respectable magazine. Science is the name of the magazine.
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Speaker 2: I'm told it's a big deal. So we say respectable. I'm told it's actually really, really legit.
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Speaker 1: And the name of this Austrian-American physicist, his name is Heinz von Forster.
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Speaker 2: All right, Heinz.
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Speaker 1: That sounds legit, right? Heinz knows what he's talking about. The name of the article, also, it'll jump out at you, Doomsday, Friday, 13 November, A.D., 2026. That was the name of it.
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Speaker 2: That'll get your attention.
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Speaker 1: Yes, it will.
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Speaker 2: Okay, again, this is in 1960. So his argument robes, and crazy as it sounds, I read it this morning.
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Speaker 1: That's not crazy. You read everything. You'll read a 200-page court filing. And I'm just like, can you give me the clip notes?
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Speaker 2: Thanks. Okay. It works for us.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: It's math. It has a foundation. This isn't just some wild theory. It is based in science and math that you can't even follow. But he lays out a math.
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Speaker 1: It's not hard for me not to be able to follow math.
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Speaker 2: That's true. What's 17 plus 18? Ooh, 35.
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Speaker 1: Okay.
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Speaker 2: Just checking.
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Speaker 1: I'm not terrible, but I'm not great.
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Speaker 2: You know what? You usually just freak out. You panic for some reason. You know the answer, but for some reason you tell yourself you're bad at math.
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Speaker 1: Correct. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yes. You question yourself.
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Speaker 1: I do.
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Speaker 2: Even when I said 18 and 17, you looked up to the heavens.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Do I know this one?
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Speaker 1: But it came to me.
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Speaker 2: It did. But anyway, this article. It's based on Matt Rose. It goes through 2,000 years of demographic data, shows we are growing at such a rate that if we continue at this rate, then by 2026, and the date he picked was November 13th, by that day we have reached, our population has reached infinity. Now that sounds crazy, but does it make sense? We've been reading through it now. Can you explain it to the people?
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Speaker 1: Yes, it's It's basically when you have people having multiple kids exponentially, it makes sense. Your population grows to the point where it's not controllable. I believe, did he write something that said, I'll paraphrase here, our great-grandchildren won't starve to death. This isn't about not having enough resources or not having enough food. to feed the world's population, he said they'd literally be squeezed to death. That there actually would just physically not be enough space in the world for everybody to coexist on the planet?
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Speaker 2: Or as they say, excuse me, they say they base this on a mathematical equation that at one point, that equation no longer accounted for any more growth. Like this is your max, infinity. There's nothing more. So they couldn't make any more predictions anymore. And so they said, this is the date. Robes, at the time, it wasn't really embraced. They called them crazy. And it turns out, Robes, it took a little while. They were right. And the science was sound. However, with the headline that today is your last day. Suppose it was. Would we be recording episodes today?
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 2: Probably not.
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Speaker 1: We would not. What would we do if this were the last day? Last day of the world. I mean, honestly, I think I can say this pretty... pretty confidently that we do live a lot of our life like that, with that in mind. You live enough life, you go through enough stuff, you lose people you love. I've fought a life-threatening disease. We've both had our lives completely upended. Everything we thought was sure and safe got thrown up when you lose your everything in a lot of ways, you are forced to then deal in the here and now and what is important right now. It really forces you to focus on what matters. And so, yes, if this were the last day, we would have our girls with us.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if we'd be anywhere but here.
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Speaker 1: We'd be at home.
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Speaker 2: I don't know what else to do.
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Speaker 1: Pop a bottle of champagne or we'd be making margaritas. Doing some FaceTime and And we'd be, yes, we'd be with as many of our close family and friends as we could. We'd be watching. We'd have some fun movie in the background. We'd have popcorn popping. We would just, we would celebrate. And we do try to do that. I would argue most days and certainly most weeks, we make sure that we include and schedule fun in our lives. And we have done that for some time.
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Speaker 2: And when we don't, we actually give ourselves a hard time. Really?
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Speaker 1: Why are we having more fun right now? I do.
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Speaker 2: There are times we're working in the studio and I will turn, make sure there's no news on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes I'll just say we have to get out of the workspace. We got to go. We, no, we do pretty, pretty good at that. And you have, um, I've, I've come on board based on experience, but this is kind of a, I mean, look, ropes, you're dealing with breast cancer. I mean, and it's never done.
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Speaker 1: No.
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Speaker 2: Right. So that to see that I've seen that, from you since before we were ever dating.
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Speaker 1: So, um, you met me the year after my diagnosis. So you've only known me as a survivor. And so, yes, my mind shift, my mindset shifted significantly and it's still, it's still there. It's in, in like, like drive.
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Speaker 2: No, I never really considered that. Uh, you say it out loud. Of course, that's the case. I've only known you. I've never known you pre-cancer.
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Speaker 1: I was different. I was different. 100%. And I think anybody who's been through a significant situation like that where you actually thought you might die. And it's, yes, I know it's something when you know somebody or you love somebody who's been in that situation. But I would argue when it happens to you, it takes on a whole new life. Yes, I'm sorry sometimes if I'm a little manic or I'm urgent in wanting to experience things in life and not wanting to say let's do it next year. And you've been on board with that too. You'll say, why are we waiting? And so, yes, my mom will even say to me, you don't sit still. And I sit a lot stiller than I did before because I'm with the person I love and we have our world that we've built. And so I don't need to be anywhere else as long as I'm next to you. But, yes, I still have thatâ That adventurous mindset that I took on in a significant way after my diagnosis.
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Speaker 2: We don't sit still enough.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: We don't. We're always going. That was a string of, was it four Fridays in a row? We couldn't believe. One Friday, we were at a frat party, for God's sake. That's true. Legit. Then the next weekend, we're at a birthday party. One of our best friends. And then we were out until two in the morning, like three straight weekends. And like, who are we? But I'm glad we did it all.
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Speaker 1: I don't regret any of it.
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Speaker 2: Not a second of that sleep that was lost.
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Speaker 1: It's funny because true story here. I was just on the phone before we jumped on trying to schedule an appointment. And I kept saying, oh, nope, I've got something. Oh, nope, I've got something. And I actually can't even sleep. an appointment because we have fun stuff coming up.
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Speaker 2: That's good stuff.
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Speaker 1: That's a good problem to have.
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Speaker 2: So, yes, I don't know if we'd be so desperate if it was the last day because we have lived that way almost to a certain degree. Roads is some stuff we do acting as if it is our last day or this is our last trip. or this is our last opportunity. We don't wait. So yeah, if this was our last day, I think we'd probably be pretty chill.
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Speaker 1: I think so too. I think so too. I genuinely, genuinely think that. It is funny though, when you look at some of these numbers, this math that we talk about, these scientists ran these numbers. They were predicting that in 2026, there would be 131 billion people in the world. Isn't it something to know? Because I wouldn't have even known. Would you know what the world population is right now without looking it up?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, we hover around 8.5 billion, don't we?
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Speaker 1: Wow, you're pretty impressive. Is that right? It's 8.3 billion. Right, and the United Nations is predicting that in the 2080s, so what is that, 40 years from now, we'll be at 10.3 billion. So a far cry from the 131 billion that the computer models were predicting. Or were there computers back then? The mathematic equations were predicting. We're at like 10% of what they thought we'd be at, which is a good thing.
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Speaker 2: So we can argue then, Robes, they were clearly wrong. Not really. This is, I am so glad, when you first told me about this story, I was saying, another one of these things, and This was based in something that proved itself to be true, Robes, and we just evolved. And technology came along in ways that these scientists could not predict at the time. But where did it go, Robes? They made this prediction in 1960. Yep. And the pace of growth in our population went exactly how they said it was going to do for the next, what, two decades?
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Speaker 1: Correct. Everything changed in the 1980s. Everything changed. And a lot of Folks, you can look back now and reflect saying that big push in the 1970s for birth control, it had a massive impact on the world population. It had significant, significant impact. If I think about it, I was born in 73, you were in 77. But look, my mom is still and was a practicing Catholic. Her mom had 10 kids. My dad's mom had six kids. My dad's mom actually had to get permission from a priest to have her tubes tied and Because she had so many complications with her last child. But it was not something you were expected as a woman in the 60s and maybe even into the 70s to have as many kids as God would give you. And that really was the mindset for a lot of families, especially Catholic families, I would say.
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Speaker 2: I was going to just say it. My parents, both of them, seven. Yes. On both sides.
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Speaker 1: Yes. My dad's one of six. My mom's one of ten.
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Speaker 2: Mom's one of seven. My dad's one of seven.
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Speaker 1: So there you go. And so everything changed.
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Speaker 2: And I'm one of two.
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Speaker 1: Right. And same, because my mom found herself with two kids by the age of 21, trying not to use birth control, being the good Catholic that she was. My grandfather went to his priest with my grandmother and said, my wife's cutting me off. She just had twins at 40. And one of the twins ended up dying after birth. So she gave birth to 10 kids. And he's like, my wife at 40 is now saying, I'm not going to have sex with you because- I can't have another child. I can't go through this anymore. And the priest said, do what you need to do to keep your marriage intact, which isn't exactly what the Pope would have said. But it gave my grandfather enough of a green light for my grandmother to get on the pill. So anyway, my mom at 21 gets on the pill because she's like, I can't go along the same path as my mother.
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Speaker 2: You sure your mom is okay with you telling this story? I think she's okay.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I learned I was an accident and so was my brother and I'm okay with that.
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Speaker 2: I think you might be giving too much family history.
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Speaker 1: The point being is the mindset changed, the focus changed, birth control became the go-to and it spread around the world. And it countered a lot of what some religious organizations and some other influencing factors were before that where women were told this is your duty almost to have as many kids as you can and modern science children didn't survive for the you know you had to have a lot of kids to end up with a few at the end because of all of the illnesses and diseases that were not under control at that point so it all makes sense if we had continued at the pace we were at beforehand we might be at world extinction now.
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Speaker 2: And they say a big part of that was the population control, birth control, but access to it.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: Not just the push to use it, but around the world it became easier to get. So robes, what happened? We were going along the path. These guys, I think there's a gal in there too.
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Speaker 1: There is a gal in there.
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Speaker 2: Okay. Patricia Moore, I want to give her her love. And Lawrence W.
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Speaker 1: Amiotte.
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Speaker 2: Is his name? Those are the two researchers who did this with Forster.
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Speaker 1: The University of Illinois. That was where they all came up with this. And not just came up with it. Obviously, this is scientifically based. But from this study, we have some of the quotes from the study. That was released. And it's interesting. It shall be called Doomsday since it is on that date that the population goes to infinity and And that the clever population annihilates itself.
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Speaker 2: That sounds pretty doomsday-ish.
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Speaker 1: Very much so. It is hoped that the preceding expose will add some fuel to the heated controversy about whether or not the time has come when something has to be done about population growth control.
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Speaker 2: And that is the point. This was a big debate at the time. And they knew this would get attention, and it certainly did. But Rose, as much as they want to criticize them for the headlines... the science and the math, the facts were sound in this. I am so glad you brought this to my attention. And you know, there was more to it. I love this.
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Speaker 1: Because if we had continued along the path that we were on in terms of how many children each family was having, yes, we might be in a much different situation today. They said, we have to control The fertility rate. They knew this. They were putting this out there. Today, this means cutting the birth rate to about half its present value, or in other words, cutting the size of an average family to just a little above two children. That's interesting to think that in the 60s, the average... Birth rate was, I guess that means four plus per family. But if you think about what your parents, what their siblings, how many siblings they had, and then before them, I mean, we're talking broods of family. Like my mom used to say, I look back and think about our lives and how... We would take up an entire church pew just with one of our, like people would stare at us. They were even large in those days. My mom was born in 53, so in the 50s and early 60s, they were even a spectacle with a family of, I guess, yeah, at that point there were nine surviving siblings. So there were 11 of them going anywhere. And they didn't have a lot of money, so they weren't going out to eat or anything like that. But just getting into a vehicle and getting out of a vehicle, right? Think about that. There's an 18-year spread. I have an aunt who's more like my sister. She's only six years older than me, and she's 13 years younger than my mom. So, I mean, that's what happened back in the day.
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Speaker 2: Oh, my God. You are telling so much about your family today.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's just, I do think, though, it's something that a lot of people can relate to, that if you look back in your families, there were significantly larger-sized families.
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Speaker 2: I just love the word brood. Brood.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there's no other way to describe a family of 11.
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Speaker 2: Okay, so here's the thing about that last quote, Robes. The world did what they said we should do. Yes. And we did cut the birth rate by more than half.
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. We certainly did. And they went on to say, man has always been able to develop the appropriate technology to feed himself, or he has always produced the appropriate population to master his technological tasks. We may consider with considerable confidence that the principle of adequate technology, which proved to be correct for over 100 generations, will hold for at least three more.
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Speaker 2: They left room for we don't know. what the next generation is going to come up with. We don't know how they're going to adjust. We don't know how they're going to communicate and work this out. So they did leave room for that. I thought that was interesting. He said, we have always been able to develop appropriate technology to feed ourselves.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, so they're kind of trying to scare people into changing their habits or being open to... shrinking their families. And it worked, obviously. And look, I mean, I remember back not even that long ago where China had a one-child rule. Now you've got countries like China, Japan, Hungary, there are several of them out there that are actually trying to incentivize their populations to have more children because they actually have such a declining birth rate. It's concerning. And we've obviously seen a massive drop in the birth rate here in this country significantly. I mean, we've seen a drop in marriage rates, a drop in fertility rates to the point where now there's concern we need to actually encourage our young folks, our new generation to to have more children or any children.
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Speaker 2: And women are having them much later now, right?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely. So they couldn't have foreseen the technology that was going to be in place to allow women to wait until their 30s or 40s and maybe even 50s to have their first child.
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Speaker 2: What did you try to say, baby?
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Speaker 1: We were talking about cancer earlier. Sorry. Hey, baby. Technology.
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Speaker 2: Technology. Man always develops the appropriate technology.
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Speaker 1: I don't think it's going to be in time for us. But, hey, you never know.
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Speaker 2: Exactly. Why do you always laugh at me?
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Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh, because I'm 53.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: So, look, and I know that I've always had a hard time understanding. We've seen these doomsday clocks, and there is an official doomsday clock, is there not?
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Speaker 2: I've never been able to figure this out. They say how close we are to midnight or something.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: It's some equation they used. I don't know.
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Speaker 1: The doomsday clock began in 1947. Oh, I didn't realize. So even before these scientists made all of these predictions, in 1947. That was the.
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Speaker 2: Year of my parents' birth.
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Speaker 1: Oh, that's so interesting. So the doomsday clock was created back then, and that's when the greatest danger to humanity came from nuclear weapons. Everyone was concerned about nuclear obliteration. And look, they said, obviously, the ensuing Cold War that began between the United States and the Soviets, but it was all brewing back then. And so they consider that the possible end of the world could be either from, yes, a nuclear explosion or climate change. That became part of the conversation in 2007. So now they say today the biggest threat is, they say we're at the closest the clock has ever been to midnight in in its history. And so this is the bulletin of the Atomic Scientists Science and Security Board. They set the clock.
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Speaker 2: Why are we so close to destruction now?
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Speaker 1: They say that they're calling for urgent action because the biggest threats are they want to limit nuclear arsenals, create international guidelines on the use of artificial intelligence, and they want to form multilateral agreements to address global biological threats. And look, we have heard these headlines in recent months about, yes, the threat of... Obviously, we've been talking about nuclear weapons. Why else did we invade Iran? Not invade Iran, but bomb Iran, according to the president. It was to stop their nuclear stockpiling. And then the global biological threats. Yes, we're worried about, I don't know, lab-borne diseases. Did we have a threat of... The plague coming back out of Russia.
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Speaker 2: Pneumonic plague out of Siberia, yeah. Pneumonic plague, yes.
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Speaker 1: And we also obviously have the threat of Ebola, and we just went through the pandemic. And look, I remember being in my senior year social studies class, and I remember Dr. O'Neill. It's funny how you remember certain professors. But in my high school, I remember being shocked when he was talking about population control and talking about how the plague was a good thing. Because if the plague hadn't happened, he was arguing that we might not even exist in that current classroom in whatever it was, 1991. But he said, we need population control. And sometimes plagues and pandemics and things that seem obviously and are devastating at the time actually end up helping our planet readjust or recorrect because The biggest threat, he claimed, I remember, at that time was overpopulation.
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Speaker 2: What were his thoughts on slavery?
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Speaker 1: Such a scary thing to hear.
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Speaker 2: I didn't ask him.
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Speaker 1: It wasn't really on my mind.
00:24:07
Speaker 2: Because bad stuff can end up ultimately being good.
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Speaker 1: He was trying to shock us into being curious.
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Speaker 2: I'm shocked as shit. Yes, I am.
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Speaker 1: I was like, I've got a professor up here telling me that when millions of people died, it ended up being a good thing.
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Speaker 2: All right. I want to look up his research on COVID.
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Speaker 1: All right.
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Speaker 2: Dr.
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Speaker 1: O'Neill, well, he was an older gentleman back in 1991, not sure if he's still with us, but it did, but I remember being kind of shocked into getting curious in that moment, but it does fall in the same vein of thinking that, yes, if we maybe don't want to encourage any sort of mass outbreak of any kind, but to consider that, yes, how many people on this planet, using its resources, and taking care of this planet instead of pillaging this planet, it does, we do question still to this day what we are leaving to future generations.
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Speaker 2: We only have so much space. We only have so many resources. And we're all jockeying for whatever's left on this earth. So yes, that is a legit argument. It was a legitimate one back then. And I am, this story just went in a direction I wasn't expecting it when I first saw that headline. This is an interesting, and it's a good conversation. Robes is something, yes, population control, the legitimacy of that. Where are we sitting now? At the time, it was an argument over, I guess, Cold War, like we mentioned, but Robes, the idea of nuclear war and what that could do to further scarcity, and if you've got too many people fighting for less and less stuff, these are great conversations to have. I love them.
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Speaker 1: I think they're interesting. It's something we should all be curious about. Also, it's important to note, why November 13th, 2026? There was actually a specific reason.
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Speaker 2: Well, it was the computer initially spit out this a date that was written in like a decimal or whatever. And it was kind of giving you the area around late 2026. But they had kind of a radius of give or take a few years, but he needed to get people's attention roped and he needed to pick a specific date, which was smart. Yes.
00:26:40
Speaker 1: So he picked November 13th, 2026, but November 13th was a very special day because That was Heinz von Forrester's birthday.
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Speaker 2: That's a good joke.
00:26:53
Speaker 1: So we should say happy birthday to Heinz von Forrester, who would have been 115 years old if he had lived. He lived until 2002. He died in October of 2002, so 24 years ago. He made it to a ripe old age. Again, my math, 115 minus 15. Here she goes.
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Speaker 2: Oh, I didn't even put you on the spot. You put yourself on the spot.
00:27:18
Speaker 1: I know.
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Speaker 2: I'm going to sit here until you come up with it.
00:27:23
Speaker 1: 115,000. Did he make it to 89?
00:27:25
Speaker 2: You said, did he?
00:27:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I got that right. 89. I'm going to go with that. Do you want to do the math?
00:27:32
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like.
00:27:34
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm wrong.
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Speaker 2: He said he made it to what? He would have been 115 if he.
00:27:36
Speaker 1: Had lived to today, November 13th, 2026. He died in October of 2002. So he died 24 years ago. He wasn't 89. 99. Wait. You said 99?
00:27:52
Speaker 2: I said 89. I was off. You said 91.
00:27:54
Speaker 1: I said 89.
00:27:55
Speaker 2: I said he would have lived to 89.
00:27:57
Speaker 1: It was 99. 91. Wow. Wait a minute. You said, so it's 115 minus what?
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Speaker 2: 24.
00:28:01
Speaker 1: 24. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: So we talk about, are we not talking about 91?
00:28:15
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right. 91.
00:28:16
Speaker 2: Oh my God.
00:28:17
Speaker 1: I got it. I got flipped. Yes.
00:28:18
Speaker 2: 91.
00:28:19
Speaker 1: Jesus.
00:28:21
Speaker 2: You weren't kidding.
00:28:22
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, if I had written it down, obviously I'd have been fine, but I'm really bad about mental math. Who's good at mental math? I am so impressed when people are. It's not me.
00:28:32
Speaker 2: But we're talking simple addition and subtraction. Subtraction.
00:28:36
Speaker 1: And so it's pretty simple to say subtraction too. Anyway, we're having a hell of a day on our.
00:28:41
Speaker 2: Final day here.
00:28:42
Speaker 1: Don't deflect. I know, you're right. I was like, look at what he just did. But it is nice to know that we have hopefully many, many, many, many more generations to come. And yeah, now we're encouraging people to have more babies. Everybody get busy. That's what some countries are asking. So anyway, we hope you enjoy. Treat it like it's the last day. Whatever day you're watching this or listening to this, I would just say if you're here listening, watching, treat today like it was your last day. What would you do? And go ahead and get it done.
00:29:17
Speaker 2: All right, let's go do it.
00:29:18
Speaker 1: All right, I love it. So thank you all for being with us. I'm Amy, that's DJ. We will see you soon.