Nov. 12, 2026
Golden Girl Code with Jennifer Fessler (The Golden Life S1 Ep 2 Recap)
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LuAnn is enraged over how Sonja danced with her boyfriend, Kelly is back in the swing of dating, and an explosive fight catches Kelly off guard!
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Speaker 1: Hey, I do part two. It's your celebrity mentor, Kelly Ben Simone. And I'm so excited because we're recapping the new show, The Golden Life here on the pod. And we are with Jennifer Fessler. Jen! Kelly!
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Speaker 2: Hi!
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Speaker 1: Wait, long time no see.
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Speaker 2: Long time no see, I have to say. Yeah, I'm thrown.
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Speaker 3: Just let's start it out with that because I don't know who's doing your hair right now, but I don't know what Sonia was talking about with you don't brush your hair.
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Speaker 2: Your hair looks amazing. The color.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: It looks very brushed. Really?
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: It really, really does.
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Speaker 1: It looks very brushed.
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Speaker 2: And I'm so excited to be here because I am dying. Well, you know what?
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Speaker 1: In Florida, there's so much humidity. So it's like, you know, I, and I have that kind of hair that just like the humidity.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know what she was talking about.
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Speaker 1: Your hair always looks gorgeous. I think that they, they, they also like, you know, nod to these comments like, oh my God, she needs to brush your hair. Yeah. I'm like, sometimes I don't brush my hair 24 seven. I'm sorry. I'm not walking around with a brush like I'm in high school.
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Speaker 2: Doing it.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. You're welcome. My Jen Jen. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: So let's get into this. First of all, the golden life. I mean, I'm so great.
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Speaker 2: I am loving it.
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Speaker 1: Every Tuesday night, 10 PM and hours streaming on Hulu.
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Speaker 2: I know. I believe me.
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Speaker 3: I know. I've been watching it actually on Hulu. The third episode just came out. So I cannot wait to actually watch it, but it is so good for me. It's like, all of the elements from New York and that classic feeling of this group of wackos that are together and crazy. And their antics are so much fun to watch. I did have a couple of moments of PTSD. I was, I got like a little scared, like scary Island started to was.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Exactly.
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Speaker 2: So I got a little, I got, I did get that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: But in general, it's like, I'm being honest. It's like watching New York, all the best parts of it. even better watching you guys together again. It's like you didn't miss a beat.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's so crazy because, you know, I started filming in 2009 and it's the same energy, the same connection. I'm the same person. I'm always, I mean, like I've always been the voice of reason. They just didn't want to show me like that. And it's just, we're the same, but it's just so connected. And I think that like genuinely after COVID, like people are starving to, to see what human connection really looks like. And you can't, you can't turn the TV off when you watch us. I mean, I don't watch it.
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Speaker 3: Personally, I don't, your connections are so wacky to me. Like I don't even, that's why I love it. Like, it's like, who are these aliens? How are they speaking to each other?
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Speaker 1: It is.
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Speaker 2: And I love every second of it.
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Speaker 3: It's so, I remember like back in the day, watching New York and looking at Ramona and I'd be like, is she a Martian? How is she talking to people? I have, you know, who talks to people like this? But it was, fascinating and so fun to watch. Right.
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Speaker 2: And it just has not skipped a beat.
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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because, you know, she worked in the fashion business and she worked with a lot of men and we spoke about this and she was just, cause we, cause I work a lot with a lot of men and I'm just like, sometimes I'm like, this is a cakewalk for me being, you know, being on the show is a cakewalk working in my industry is so tough working with these very, very aggressive men. And she's like, I know me too. I had to do that too. And I was like, Oh my God, we're in the same boat.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I see you as very different personality types, but we can, yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't speak like that to people, but I do know what it's like to work with men, and it is not a cakewalk.
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Speaker 2: I can hear that.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into the golden life. Okay, so 12 hours later, Luann is still upset because Sonia and Ramona were dancing with Michael.
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Speaker 2: Right, right, right.
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Speaker 1: This is so funny, you're going to die. So at lunch, we're sitting there, and Luann goes... She gave her an inch, and she took the whole bratwurst.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was good.
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Speaker 1: That was so good. That was good.
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Speaker 2: That was very cute.
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Speaker 3: I have to say, I'm sure it's already been said, damn, Luann, well done.
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Speaker 1: I know that was a good one, right?
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Speaker 2: He is so hot. No, I don't mean the saying. I mean the man.
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Speaker 1: Oh, Michael, very nice guy.
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Speaker 2: Damn, nice.
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Speaker 1: Very nice, yeah.
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Speaker 2: About hot AF. I think that's what the kids say.
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Speaker 1: Jen Fessler.
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Speaker 2: He is.
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Speaker 1: That was what the kids say.
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. But how about Sonia? She's like, she humps everything. She humps lamps.
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Speaker 2: I mean. I mean, what? Yeah, I mean, I think she would say that.
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Speaker 1: Lamps.
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Speaker 2: I think she would say that. Like, that's her whole world. What is she? Eat, sleep, dick or whatever?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
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Speaker 1: Eat, sleep, dick.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: And then, you know, we're starting to talk a lot about Sonia and her drinking. And, you know, this is a big, big, big thing. Narrative in this episode because we're seeing a lot of drinking, non-drinking, fighting about drinking.
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Speaker 3: If I'm being honest, I don't see it that it was a big factor in the episode except for Luann. I didn't see anybody else seeming that concerned. I feel like that was kind of fueled by- Luann. And I was surprised by it only because only knowing that Luann has had, you know, her own struggles.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: And she seemed very attached to me to, you know, sort of like outing Sonia. I don't know where that's coming from.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: But I don't know. I felt like. Why are you, why, what is, what are you diving into? What do you want? Almost like, what do you want to discover here?
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: So I felt bad for Sonia in terms of that because clearly, and she's not the only one I can name, not you, but there are several ladies on the show who have, you know, had issues with drinking.
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Speaker 2: Right. And, And they're still drinking.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: So, you know.
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Speaker 1: You know, I think, too, and you know this, too, from being on Jersey. Like, you know, you're in this microscope, under this microscope, and you're in this bubble. And you're filming every single day. Yeah. Two to three times a day. And there's always a glass of wine. And, you know, I found myself in Palm Beach, like, having a glass of rosé at lunch and dinner. And I started... Like I was, you see me in the scene, I'm like, I'll have a piscine, which is literally a red wine glass with rosé and tons of ice. I had to dilute it.
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Speaker 3: That guy was looking at you, by the way. He was also adorable. Yeah, I'll get you a piscine.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Kelly.
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Speaker 1: No, but I literally had to dilute the rosé because it was just too much. I was just like, we were drinking, we were drinking, I mean, minimum two glasses.
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Speaker 2: A day, which- Oh my God, that's not, I'm a drinker. So like that to me is.
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Speaker 1: Right, but for me, that's a lot to be drinking. Like I don't drink at lunch. Like I can't drink at lunch, but I was drinking at lunch and at dinner and then we were going for drinks and it was just like.
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Speaker 3: Listen, again, I don't, I feel like most of those women are drinkers. I don't know about Ramona. So I didn't really get the hook. Like, okay, Sonia's not drinking.
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Speaker 2: She is drinking. Who gives a shit? She's being drunk. over the top. She's crazy. She's a mess. That's classic Sonia. Everyone is here for it.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: She's a fun party girl. And we, I mean, we, she's always been that girl. Do you know what I mean? And I think that like what happened is that Luann came from doing all these shows and she flies down to Palm Beach and she's ready to relax and have a good time with her friends. And having a couple of glasses of wine is part of that. And Sonia was like, I live here. Like, I don't need to have a glass of wine on a Tuesday. If I want to, I can, but she doesn't need to. She was drinking a lot of these mocktails, and then, you know, who knows?
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that she wasn't drinking. I don't judge people.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, do you?
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Speaker 2: I'm saying that she wasn't hiding it, you know?
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: Because it did look, she was completely fucked up at that dinner. I had no idea what Sonia was doing, but she definitely seemed out of her mind. And she was on a tear, farting on the way to the bathroom. burping at the table. I mean, it also was kind of gross and sloppy, but it reminds me of me. So I, I, you know, I sort of enjoy watching someone that's not me act like that. I don't fart period. I can't, if you fart in front of me, our friendship is over. I have a weird thing with it.
00:08:19
Speaker 1: I I'm telling you, I do like smell or is it like, it's.
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Speaker 3: Just that I don't want to smell what's inside of you. I get really pissed. Like you can control it.
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Speaker 2: Go to the bathroom.
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Speaker 1: What if people vomit next to you or near you or around you?
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Speaker 2: That's less offensive to me.
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Speaker 1: In all honesty.
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Speaker 2: I mean, she's so funny.
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Speaker 3: She's like sticking her finger down her throat with the cameras and I'm farting.
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Speaker 2: And I mean, she's just.
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Speaker 1: Something is happening. It's not coming out this way. It's not going out that way.
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Speaker 2: They call me messy fessy. So I relate to this behavior.
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Speaker 3: But I definitely think that Luann is being hard on her and trying to out her with the drinking.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 1: I think that, again, like I think that Luann is just like, let's party. And she's not really thinking about whether it's good for Sonia or not. She's just ready to party.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't mind her being ready to party.
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Speaker 3: I just don't know why she's so attached to what Sonya's doing, whether or not she's drinking. Right.
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Speaker 1: And I think that's also because there's only five of us. It's like we're all like laser focused on each other. Laser. Yeah. I mean, just like constantly, what are you doing? What are you thinking? What are you wearing? Where are you going? Why are you talking like that?
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Speaker 2: Lynn is the only one that seems so focused on that.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: For whatever reason.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. Okay, let's get to the dating.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Kelly.
00:09:44
Speaker 1: I mean, not the dating, my dating.
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Speaker 2: Your dating.
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Speaker 1: So I'm back on the, back, you know.
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Speaker 2: You are back, baby.
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Speaker 1: I am back.
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Speaker 2: Well, you never, when are you not dating? I don't think I've ever known you where there wasn't someone that was calling.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, literally, you know, it's funny because after being, you know, single for so many years and, you know, being in a relationship, I had to call off a, you know, wedding and then just getting into another relationship who I really, I really, really cared about him, but we were so far away and the connection, the real connection, the emotional connection was not there. And the safety was not there. And that's just so important for women. All women, they should feel like very safe with their man. Not like, oh my God, he walks across the street with me to make sure I don't get hit by a car. But like genuine safety, like looks out for me, make sure I got home okay.
00:10:31
Speaker 2: That's everything, of course. Everything, everything. I have to say, you rebound so quickly. I do?
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Speaker 3: Yes, when you broke up with the guy that you're referring to.
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Speaker 2: I remember just being like, are you okay?
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Speaker 1: And I, yeah, I was like, what?
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Speaker 3: And I don't know if that has to do with the fact that you said it on the show, you've never been in love, which I find very surprising and sad.
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Speaker 1: So sad.
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Speaker 2: No, I mean, listen, you're a happy woman. You've had a happy life.
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Speaker 1: I am. I've had an interesting life. I've had a colorful life. I wouldn't say a great life, but it's been, it hasn't been easy. You know, my life has not been easy. And I think that a lot of people just think that it's just, This like, you know, curls, eyelashes, purple blazers. Life is so easy. It's not what you present. You don't present. Well, because I don't want to be the girl that cries on TikTok and is like, poor me. I've never ever seen you be like, poor me. No, I will not be like that.
00:11:26
Speaker 3: I'll go back to Scary Island. You were eating jelly beans while they were attacking.
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Speaker 2: I know.
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Speaker 1: Thank God for my jelly beans.
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Speaker 2: Thank God for your jelly beans.
00:11:32
Speaker 1: My friend group. Yes, exactly.
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Speaker 2: Your colorful little friend group.
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Speaker 3: No, but I mean, I, I honestly, I was, I, I've never known you. I've known you for a while now, not to be dating, not to be putting yourself out there.
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Speaker 1: So just to be open to it, to see what goes on. It was so interesting because I was really for a long time thinking to myself, okay, I'm looking for this forever person. And then, you know, Heather and I were talking one day, our producer, and I just was like, Heather, like, what am I looking for? I already have it. What am I looking for? Why am I searching for something that I already have? Beautiful kids, great family, great friendships, you know, great life, you know, work.
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Speaker 2: I'd like to see you with, I'd like to see you with a partner.
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Speaker 1: Me too.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: But I also, maybe I'm, maybe like, maybe this idea, I mean, I always wanted to get remarried and have kids. That's not happening anymore. Those days are over. And so maybe it's just like, maybe I should just settle into like, Who I am and be with someone and just be with them. Why do I have to like get married again? Or like, I just want that. I just really want that moment. That real love moment where I'm like so in love with someone that I want that moment.
00:12:45
Speaker 2: I mean, you may not have been in love with anyone, but I have no doubt in my mind that there have been many men in love with you.
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Speaker 1: I loved them, but I wasn't in love with them. I wasn't like, oh my God.
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Speaker 2: I met Jeff Bessler. I was not... I broke up with him. I was like, there is no spark here. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 3: And he, you know, he kind of wore me down. And, you know, I'm 58 years old. There's not one person in the world I'd rather be with. And I don't mean just because I'm so in love with him.
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that.
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Speaker 1: Like, that is not.
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Speaker 2: I'm 58.
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Speaker 1: I know.
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Speaker 2: You know, I just because I like him so much.
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Speaker 1: And because he loves you.
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Speaker 3: We're just partners, you know, and that's what.
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Speaker 1: I want for you. He adores you. Adores you.
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Speaker 2: You're making it look like I carried away.
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Speaker 1: I'm serious.
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Speaker 3: I see how I do.
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Speaker 2: It's all right. Anyway, it's not about me. It's about you and the stables.
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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying like what I am looking for. And I think that like after, you know, being on the pod for, you know, a couple of years now and just kind of talking through all of these insecurities that I've had for so long, I think one of the things that like was this like really baseline important thing for me is safety. And I just haven't found that in a man. What do you, what happens when you- And we're going to talk about that, what happens in Florida. I'm just curious.
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Speaker 3: It's like, what, give me, you don't have to name them, but like, tell me in terms of like a specific, what makes you What does a man do that is making you feel unsafe or is not making you feel protected?
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Speaker 1: You know, I think that because my father was a lawyer and, you know, came from nothing, you know, was in the military with, you know, a fantastic, I mean, amazing, amazing lawyer. Number one in his class, University of Illinois, like self-made, very, very protective of my mother and us. And was always like, when I would be in Paris, I would call him and like, It'd be like two o'clock in the morning. I'd be like, hi, daddy. Nine o'clock every day, every single day. And he'd be like, you're gonna do great. You're gonna do a great job. Like he'd be there at swim meets. He was just very supportive, made me feel safe and never said to me, you can't do something. It was like, whatever you need to do, I will make it happen. And even if there were situations that happened in his life, whether they were, I mean, I didn't know about our, you know, if we were, if we had money, if we didn't have money, we didn't, you know, it wasn't spoken in our family, but he always made everything possible and always made me feel safe. And I do that for my girls, but I've never been around a man who made me feel like that.
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Speaker 3: I think that that is so interesting because my father was the opposite. I never felt safe. And I don't know that I was ever smart enough to say, okay, this is what I need. This man will make me feel safe. I think I just got lucky. But what you just described is the thing that I love the most about being married to Jeff Vessler. And I haven't really thought about it until you just said it.
00:15:38
Speaker 2: No, that's true.
00:15:38
Speaker 3: I really do mean that. It's bigger than that. It's what you described when you just described your dad. I can only imagine how many men, though, there are many, Good men they may be hard to find in this world would want to be that for you.
00:15:50
Speaker 1: But they don't have my back. They're like, they're just, it's like, I feel like I'm just in a world of like, these guys just want to be a plus one. I'm like, no, no, I want to be a plus one to your life.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Not mine. I don't need a plus one. I've got, I take my kids everywhere. I don't, I'm not taking you. Right.
00:16:05
Speaker 3: So I was engaged and we were taking a ride. I was, we were living in Guttenberg, New Jersey, and I was working in Hoboken, but I just moved in with Jeff. And I said to him, we were taking a drive into Hoboken. I was like, you know, when we get back tonight, we were going somewhere. I need to figure out where the bus, how I can get on the bus to get to work or whatever. And I don't know why I thought this in the morning. When I said it to him, it was early and we had a whole day in front of us. And my expectation was that he was not going to remember.
00:16:33
Speaker 1: I don't know why.
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Speaker 2: I like marked it.
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Speaker 3: Like, I just didn't expect a man to remember. Like, that's what I was going to need in the morning. And we're coming home and I remember it was late. And he's like, all right, we have to go drive over. It sounds so silly, right? But we have to go do the route so you know where you're going. And that has stuck with me throughout my marriage, that I said it to him. Once.
00:16:55
Speaker 2: It was about me. It was once.
00:16:56
Speaker 1: It was important.
00:16:57
Speaker 2: And it was important. And I could count on him. Right. You know?
00:17:01
Speaker 1: I have never had that. I have never been in a relationship with a man I could count on. Never.
00:17:06
Speaker 2: Well, we're going to need to talk a little more here. I mean, I... I don't know why you can't or haven't, not can't, why you haven't found that.
00:17:15
Speaker 1: Because I think that the wrong guys are attracted to me. I think that they think that I'm the alpha. And it's like, I'm not the alpha. I have to be the alpha. It's a different thing. It's different. I don't want to be the alpha. I want him to be the alpha. I want to push them forward.
00:17:31
Speaker 2: How do you pick that out before you waste time, right?
00:17:34
Speaker 1: I know. I know. It's really crazy. Anyway, so I'm on Raya again. And I love Raya because it's just... There's a lot of guys that are similar to my lifestyle.
00:17:44
Speaker 3: Sure.
00:17:46
Speaker 1: Whether they're actors, CEOs, whatever they are. It's just, there are a lot of really good guys. So I'm on Raya. I just broken up with my guy and you were so sweet to check in with me. And I'm like, you know, I'm just going to go Raya. Like my profile picture is like me, like looking down, you can't even see my face, looking down with like all this, all my polo equipment. Cause my daughter was like, you have to show a vibe. You can't like show your face. I'm like a vibe. I'm like, shouldn't they see my face?
00:18:11
Speaker 2: My daughter's like, you know, the vibe is off.
00:18:14
Speaker 1: Right.
00:18:14
Speaker 2: It's the vibe. Go on. I'm sorry.
00:18:16
Speaker 1: So anyway, so this is a picture of me and I'll screenshot. Oh, I can't screenshot, but I'll show it to you. And so you don't really know like who I am or what's going on. So cut to, there's this guy, Nick, and he's an Olympic snowboarder. I had no idea. It's just, he was a snowboarder. And I just thought, I was like, this guy is from upper peninsula. I'm like, he's from the Midwest. Well, he's not really from the Midwest, but he kind of is. And he is like so fun. You can see, he's like comes off the page. He's got this very dynamic personality. And so we started texting and he's like, yeah, I have a race tomorrow. And I'm like, oh, that's so great. Congratulations. He's like, yeah, I'm in the Olympics. I'm like, wait, what? Like the Olympics? You're texting me from the Olympics right now? You're right.
00:19:08
Speaker 2: I can turn on the TV tomorrow and watch you. Right. Race in the Olympics. Right.
00:19:12
Speaker 1: I could have just watched him. Yes. Snowboard. Snowboard.
00:19:15
Speaker 2: Excuse me.
00:19:15
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sorry.
00:19:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty cool.
00:19:19
Speaker 1: I literally was like, drop the mic. This guy is a baller. Like very cool guy.
00:19:27
Speaker 2: I feel like that.
00:19:29
Speaker 1: And so I just was like, I'm listening. I'm in Palm Beach. Do you want to come and go? Because he was going to be in Palm Beach with some of the other friends playing golf because all the athletes go to Palm Beach to play golf. And so I was like, if you're here, do you want to go on a date? And he was like, sure. So he flies down. And he meets me at this.
00:19:50
Speaker 2: He flew down for the date.
00:19:51
Speaker 1: Well, he was down for golf. Okay. He was playing golf.
00:19:53
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:19:55
Speaker 1: And he flew, you know, he was down for there. He was down for golf. And then he came to see me. And I was like, let's go ride horses. Do you ride horses?
00:20:04
Speaker 3: So let me ask you this. I mean, obviously you had to tell him that it was going to get filmed.
00:20:08
Speaker 1: Right.
00:20:09
Speaker 2: And he was cool.
00:20:10
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. He was totally fine. He didn't care.
00:20:11
Speaker 2: Well, that says something also. I don't know what it says, but I know it says something.
00:20:15
Speaker 1: Well, true story. Because every single guy is like, I just don't want to be in the press. And I don't want to be filmed. I'm like, they don't want you anyway, you slug. Like, gross. Like, why would you say that to somebody? How rude. I would never say that to somebody.
00:20:29
Speaker 2: Maybe insecurity. Yeah. I would just say, you know, I don't want to be on camera. Who knows why? But I also think, but I think it's hard either way. Right.
00:20:36
Speaker 3: If he, if they're like, oh no, don't, I'm fine with that. That's a little scary.
00:20:40
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. You know, he wasn't fine with it, but he didn't care. And I like that because fine with it means like, you're just like a clout farmer and not fine with it means you just want to be known by the world, but you're just pretending that you don't.
00:20:54
Speaker 2: Right. It's hard, but you're in the hard position there. Right. Cause like, You're being filmed. That's your reality.
00:21:01
Speaker 1: It's my work.
00:21:02
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:21:02
Speaker 1: So cut to, so we go to the, we go to the polar fields and I'm just like, okay, this is going to be great. I talked to my, my chief of staff. She like does all my business for me. Very, very bright woman. And she was like, Kelly, you've got to get out there. She was really pushing me to do this. And I was like, I don't know if I want to film. I don't want to film dating anymore. I'm like, everyone's going to be like, oh my God, Kelly's dating. You know, it's like, so I go to the polar fields and And I walk up to this man and his name is Juan. I was like, of course your name is. Do you, are you featured in like any kind of telenovela or like, is there something I don't know? He's like, Kelly, Kelly. I was like, I'm sorry, what? Kelly, Kelly?
00:21:51
Speaker 2: You never met him before.
00:21:52
Speaker 1: Never. Never. I was just like, who is this person?
00:21:55
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:21:55
Speaker 1: And I'm like, wait a minute, I'm on a double date.
00:21:58
Speaker 2: So, okay, go on.
00:21:59
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows if Juan, I mean, Juan and I became friends, but who knows if he's dating? I never even asked him. But I just was like, wow.
00:22:08
Speaker 2: Really, Kel?
00:22:09
Speaker 1: Well, it's because it's like, that's what I love. That's my like happy place is like my, is around horses. And you really never see, I mean, polo players are very attractive, but they're typically not very tall. That's interesting. So this guy was very tall and very attractive and age appropriate. And I was like, wow.
00:22:29
Speaker 2: I wasn't feeling it.
00:22:30
Speaker 1: Really?
00:22:30
Speaker 2: Not really.
00:22:31
Speaker 1: We should see him in real life, though.
00:22:32
Speaker 2: No, it's not that he wasn't attractive.
00:22:34
Speaker 1: No, I'm telling you, it was like, I swear to God, it was like telenovela, like full on. I mean, I was like, I needed like a fan to like blow my hair around.
00:22:43
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just because I just don't feel that anymore.
00:22:45
Speaker 1: Period.
00:22:46
Speaker 2: I'm dead inside.
00:22:47
Speaker 1: You know, you're new. I'm 58.
00:22:50
Speaker 2: I'm two.
00:22:51
Speaker 1: Right.
00:22:51
Speaker 2: I thought we were the same age.
00:22:52
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:22:52
Speaker 2: Um, hard to tell, but yes, we're the same age, but yeah, no, I, uh, no one.
00:22:57
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. So when, so then, so I'm like, Nick, you're going to get on this horse named supermodel. It was like, okay.
00:23:04
Speaker 2: They had to do that on purpose, right? Pull out supermodel.
00:23:07
Speaker 1: I literally did not even know. I don't even think they knew. I think they were just like, we're filming and then I show up and then the horse is named supermodel. I think it was literally, I don't think it was planned because it just happens to be, and it's actually my friend's horse.
00:23:20
Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
00:23:20
Speaker 1: That's named supermodel. So it was just like totally serendipitous.
00:23:24
Speaker 3: Right.
00:23:24
Speaker 1: But very funny. Okay. And then he gets on the horse. And instead of being like nervous or anything, just zipping around.
00:23:30
Speaker 2: He's an athlete.
00:23:31
Speaker 1: And Juan is like, you, Kelly, you stay with me. I was like, whoa. So. Wow.
00:23:36
Speaker 2: Well, I would say, so Nick walks in and the Olympic thing is hot, right?
00:23:41
Speaker 1: Hot. But I didn't.
00:23:42
Speaker 3: So I don't know if it's just me. Again, maybe I was dead inside, but I didn't, I didn't. Your reaction to him, I was a little surprised at, right?
00:23:50
Speaker 2: Really?
00:23:50
Speaker 3: Because I just see you and you're like, you know, this, I don't know, six foot nine dreamy supermodel.
00:23:56
Speaker 1: Six foot nine.
00:23:57
Speaker 3: And this guy, whatever you are, and these, you know, and he was fine. I wasn't into the mustache, but he was cute. But I actually, he grew on me. Like once you guys were sitting down having your solo cup glasses of rosé or whatever. I was like, okay, I like, like his personality.
00:24:13
Speaker 2: Grew on me.
00:24:14
Speaker 1: His personality.
00:24:15
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:24:15
Speaker 1: Is amazing.
00:24:16
Speaker 2: Juan was very Rico Suave.
00:24:18
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:24:18
Speaker 3: But I mean, you just seem so like excited by both of them.
00:24:22
Speaker 2: And I feel like that is a little bit of your MO.
00:24:24
Speaker 3: Like you're so, like you meet a guy and instantly you're like, oh my God, he's so funny. He's so great. He's so handsome. He's so this. I would have been a little more like, We'll see.
00:24:38
Speaker 2: Eh, maybe, maybe not. I am.
00:24:40
Speaker 1: It's not that great looking. I'm like, I met a guy.
00:24:42
Speaker 3: Yes, you're always like, he's the funniest thing.
00:24:44
Speaker 2: I'm like, ain't that funny, Kelly.
00:24:45
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're getting so carried away about. I ain't that good looking, Kelly.
00:24:50
Speaker 1: First of all, I love you for that. And I love that you're just like so dry. And I am, I'm a cheerleader. I swear to God. I'm like, I need full on pom poms 24 seven.
00:24:57
Speaker 2: I mean, you haven't even given them a chance to say.
00:25:01
Speaker 3: Hello or make a joke. And you're like, he is so funny and so handsome. And I'm watching like, But he's not. I mean, maybe he's okay.
00:25:08
Speaker 2: Give me a minute.
00:25:09
Speaker 1: I'm also like, I get my like superpower is like I can pull out one person's like dynamic quality in like one second. Like I'm very, very good at that. And then I just feed off of that.
00:25:23
Speaker 2: Maybe you should make them work for it a little harder first.
00:25:25
Speaker 3: 100%.
00:25:25
Speaker 1: I don't know. take away, work harder. And I said that to him. And I said that to Juan. I was like, you can't, you know, you have to make these guys work for it. And he goes, no, don't make them work for it.
00:25:38
Speaker 2: Just give it away. I just watch you also.
00:25:40
Speaker 3: You're so charming and you're always giggling and you're always light. And I feel like you make it very easy on these guys.
00:25:49
Speaker 1: Wait, so I have to be tougher?
00:25:50
Speaker 2: No, I don't mean tougher.
00:25:52
Speaker 3: I just mean, I feel as if watching you that you are making it comfortable. You're so eager to make it comfortable and light and fun.
00:26:00
Speaker 1: Right.
00:26:01
Speaker 3: And I do think to myself, like, you don't have to work. They should be working that hard to make you feel comfortable and light. And like, you're the charming, funny one.
00:26:11
Speaker 1: I love you, Jen Fessler. Anyway. I needed this today. Oh, good. Okay. So now we're at lunch.
00:26:18
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:26:19
Speaker 1: We've been on the yacht and now we're at lunch. And Sonia is mad.
00:26:28
Speaker 2: Yes, she is.
00:26:28
Speaker 1: And so is Luann. So Luann is like, you're telling me that, you know, I steal all your boyfriends. Tom didn't want to marry me. You know, you're, and she's, well, I mean, Sonia was Tom's girlfriend for a very, very long time.
00:26:41
Speaker 2: So, wow. That was swept way under the rug. I did not realize that.
00:26:46
Speaker 1: I did not either.
00:26:46
Speaker 3: Unless I was not that keyed in at that time to New York, but I didn't realize that they were a serious thing. And obviously I would think that Sonia will be harboring a bit of a grudge.
00:26:56
Speaker 2: Right. Right. Of course.
00:26:57
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine if a guy that you've been sleeping with or whatever you've been doing with for X amount of years, and all of a sudden he meets your friend and they get married. I mean, I would be like, I'd be so jealous. So. You know, Sonia and Luann are, like, literally fighting about, like, who knew Tom first and who was more in love with him or all this stuff. They're not even together.
00:27:27
Speaker 2: I mean, Tom who?
00:27:28
Speaker 1: Right?
00:27:29
Speaker 2: I mean, but.
00:27:31
Speaker 1: He is not my favorite.
00:27:32
Speaker 3: I think, well, I don't think he's anyone's favorite. But I also think that it was, it's easy for Sonia to go back. Like, so now here's Luann saying you are all over my man in an inappropriate way. Right.
00:27:44
Speaker 2: Which clearly. She was.
00:27:46
Speaker 1: Right.
00:27:47
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:27:47
Speaker 1: But she is like that.
00:27:48
Speaker 2: I know.
00:27:49
Speaker 1: She's just a playful puppy. She just is like, and then she walks away. I mean, she's just like that.
00:27:56
Speaker 2: I agree. I know that she is.
00:27:57
Speaker 3: But, you know, this is, for whatever reason, this time it got under Luann's skin.
00:28:02
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:28:03
Speaker 2: She's very into this guy.
00:28:04
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:28:05
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised. And she didn't like it. And it was like, listen, Ramona was all over him in a very innocent.
00:28:14
Speaker 2: Way, I have to say.
00:28:15
Speaker 3: Right. dancing, hugging, you know, like, like grabbing his ass and pulling up his shirt and all of that does feel like maybe there's a line being crossed. But I think that probably Sonia's, I mean, she hopped right into, well, you must know you're a cheater. Like it went from zero, but let's say it went from about three to a 10 quick.
00:28:40
Speaker 2: Right. Right.
00:28:41
Speaker 1: And she does that.
00:28:42
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:28:43
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, she does do that.
00:28:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, she does do that. She's very playful and fun. And then if she doesn't like something, it's like, it just goes into like, right.
00:28:50
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:28:51
Speaker 3: But I mean, I guess maybe she is still harboring that resentment. Like, don't come at me for getting on your guy when you basically stole mine. So, you know, that could be still going on.
00:29:02
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that I noticed filming is that Because I haven't filmed with Sonia since Ultimate. And before that, it was almost 10 years. And I've done a lot of other things and been on other shows. But I hadn't filmed with them. And what I see and I hear is that they have a lot of such pent-up resentment. And they just want to be heard. They just want their stories to be heard. So I literally... I'm sitting with them just like, tell me, tell me what happened. yeah and nobody has had that opportunity like whether it's all the women.
00:29:38
Speaker 2: Are regardless of avery's best efforts.
00:29:40
Speaker 1: No no and and sonia really opens up with me and she starts to trust me because i'm actually genuinely listening to what she's saying and i'm not waiting for my like you know line right that's gonna be like all the fans are gonna be like you know having fun with i'm genuinely listening and And it makes her feel safe.
00:30:00
Speaker 2: That's what she said, literally, right?
00:30:02
Speaker 1: I mean, it's unbelievable.
00:30:03
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:30:03
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable.
00:30:04
Speaker 2: Well, listen, I think that- And.
00:30:06
Speaker 1: Our relationship went from like, I hadn't seen her, so it was like lukewarm to like, you know, bathtub water.
00:30:13
Speaker 3: You know, if I'm, just personally, if I'm choosing one woman on the cast besides Kelly Ben Simone, I feel like I would probably, believe it or not, trust and confide in Sonia. And I know she can be a loose cannon, but I, I, for whatever reason feel like there is something very, um, vulnerable, compassionate, and I don't feel like she's out to get anyone, which I do sometimes feel from a couple of the other women who will remain nameless for now.
00:30:50
Speaker 1: For now. I agree with you. I think that, I mean, I live with her. You're In B, so this is A, we're in Palm Beach, and then we go to B, we're in the Hamptons. And you're going to see, because we live together, and you're going to see how fun and playful, but how thoughtful.
00:31:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe, yeah.
00:31:06
Speaker 1: She's so thoughtful. Right. And she is, talk about a girl's girl, and that's what you're saying. She is the quintessential girl's girl. If somebody says something that she doesn't like, she will really, really support you.
00:31:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I feel it.
00:31:21
Speaker 1: And I feel, and I think that Luann is kind of like, you're not drinking. You're all over my man. What is going on? And then you're telling, you're talking about.
00:31:29
Speaker 3: It just keeps going back to, you're not drinking. Like, okay, I don't get it.
00:31:34
Speaker 2: Like, what's your point? So you are drinking, you're sneaking it.
00:31:37
Speaker 3: Why are we trying to, you know, I don't get why we're trying to sort of, trap her here into admitting something.
00:31:44
Speaker 2: Who gives a shit?
00:31:45
Speaker 3: Not who gives a shit, but the bigger issue is you have your hands up my man's shirt.
00:31:49
Speaker 2: I don't like it. Right. Don't do that again.
00:31:51
Speaker 1: Right.
00:31:51
Speaker 2: Right.
00:31:52
Speaker 1: But they also have this weird competition. Yeah. Because.
00:31:55
Speaker 2: Over men.
00:31:57
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't.
00:31:58
Speaker 2: Back to Tom, maybe?
00:31:59
Speaker 1: They have this weird competition. I think they've dated the same men, whether it was like Harry, Tom. Oh, right, right, right, right, right.
00:32:05
Speaker 2: Harry.
00:32:05
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's others. Yeah. But it's very, it's competitive. And it's just, I'm like, it's like watching like a ping pong. I'm like, what is going on here?
00:32:12
Speaker 2: The good news is it's over. I mean, Luann now has this dream boat.
00:32:16
Speaker 3: Right.
00:32:16
Speaker 2: And let's keep it moving.
00:32:19
Speaker 1: And I think that's hard for Sonya too. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. You know? Yeah.
00:32:23
Speaker 2: Yeah. I could see that.
00:32:24
Speaker 1: I mean, she wants to get married. She wants to find a man. She wants to have a new life, you know?
00:32:28
Speaker 3: She doesn't act in a way, at least on the show, that feels serious like that, at least not yet. Right now, she feels like she is exactly what she describes out for food, sleep, and dick.
00:32:41
Speaker 2: What did she say? What did she say? I just know husband was not part of that equation.
00:32:47
Speaker 1: Eat, sleep, dick.
00:32:48
Speaker 2: Eat, sleep, dick was not like eat, sleep, connect.
00:32:52
Speaker 3: Right.
00:32:52
Speaker 1: Eat, sleep, dick, dash, husband.
00:32:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not feeling that for her, which is fine. Listen, honey, just be happy as long as she's happy.
00:33:00
Speaker 1: Good.
00:33:01
Speaker 2: I admire it.
00:33:04
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. And so, you know, we've talked about, you know, Sonia. We've talked about, I think it's really about Sonia and Luann. Really, this whole... Deep-seated... Resentment. Resentment, competition.
00:33:16
Speaker 2: Right.
00:33:19
Speaker 1: And then I think at the very end, you see Sonia's like, you know, Kelly's a kiss ass because then it's just time to deflect on someone else. And if anyone that knows me knows I am definitely not a kiss ass. I'm polite. I'm well-mannered. I'm educated, but I am not a kiss ass. If I don't like something, you know it because you're done.
00:33:37
Speaker 3: Listen, I think in that moment, she felt very betrayed because she needed you to just be team Sonia.
00:33:44
Speaker 1: And I was trying to give Luann some color and just say, you know, this has been something that's worked. She would have been talking about, like, I wasn't like, Oh my God, tell me to tell you.
00:33:54
Speaker 2: No, it definitely was not like that.
00:33:55
Speaker 1: I was not doing that.
00:33:57
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah. And I wouldn't do that.
00:33:58
Speaker 3: Right.
00:33:58
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't do that.
00:34:00
Speaker 3: But it was like, um, it was more like, yeah, listen, she told me this yesterday. She can't, whatever it was, she caught you saying it.
00:34:07
Speaker 2: It was a bad moment. Your intentions were not real, but she didn't like it.
00:34:12
Speaker 3: No.
00:34:12
Speaker 2: And, You know what?
00:34:14
Speaker 3: I could understand where she was coming from because you're the one she trusts most in that situation. So she just wanted to see you say, you know, whatever you were going to say, team Sonia.
00:34:25
Speaker 1: Right. Exactly.
00:34:25
Speaker 2: So she was sensitive to it.
00:34:26
Speaker 1: Right.
00:34:27
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:34:28
Speaker 1: Exactly. And I am team Sonia.
00:34:29
Speaker 2: I know you are.
00:34:30
Speaker 1: But I also am trying to give Luann like.
00:34:32
Speaker 2: Some perspective.
00:34:33
Speaker 3: Right.
00:34:33
Speaker 1: So she understands because Luann hasn't been around everyone. She's been.
00:34:35
Speaker 2: Right.
00:34:36
Speaker 1: You know, traveling the world.
00:34:37
Speaker 2: Right.
00:34:38
Speaker 1: So yes, team Sonia. Always team Sonia. Always team Sonia.
00:34:41
Speaker 2: You team everyone.
00:34:42
Speaker 1: I love that you are loving. Well, that's not true. I'm on your team until I'm off.
00:34:47
Speaker 2: Until you're not.
00:34:48
Speaker 1: And then it's like crickets.
00:34:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that.
00:34:51
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no, don't bother me.
00:34:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a softie though.
00:34:53
Speaker 1: Not that soft. Okay.
00:34:55
Speaker 2: We'll see. It's only, we're only in episode two.
00:34:57
Speaker 1: We will see.
00:34:58
Speaker 2: We will see. And then you've been thrown in with the gladiators, so we will see, Kel.
00:35:02
Speaker 1: No. Okay. Jen, thank you so much. I love going through this with you.
00:35:10
Speaker 2: I love going through this with you.
00:35:12
Speaker 3: This is, has, I'm telling you, this is, the golden life has brought such a light to my life.
00:35:18
Speaker 2: It has. I'm like so excited.
00:35:20
Speaker 1: Finally, like the show.
00:35:21
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, and watching you guys, it's like, I know pretty much all of you, but I've been friends with you for many more years than you've even known me, right? I've been invested in this group of women for a long, long time waiting for this moment to come.
00:35:37
Speaker 2: And you guys are not disappointing.
00:35:39
Speaker 1: Oh my God. It's awesome. Wait, I appreciate that.
00:35:42
Speaker 2: It's so good.
00:35:42
Speaker 1: We love our Jen Fessler.
00:35:43
Speaker 2: Love you guys too.
00:35:44
Speaker 1: Are you in your golden life navigating your chapter two, but need some help? We are here for you. Send us an email, leave us a voicemail. All the info is in the show notes. Follow us definitely on social. I do part two, an iHeart podcast where falling in love is always the main objective.
Speaker 1: Hey, I do part two. It's your celebrity mentor, Kelly Ben Simone. And I'm so excited because we're recapping the new show, The Golden Life here on the pod. And we are with Jennifer Fessler. Jen! Kelly!
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Speaker 2: Hi!
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Speaker 1: Wait, long time no see.
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Speaker 2: Long time no see, I have to say. Yeah, I'm thrown.
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Speaker 3: Just let's start it out with that because I don't know who's doing your hair right now, but I don't know what Sonia was talking about with you don't brush your hair.
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Speaker 2: Your hair looks amazing. The color.
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: It looks very brushed. Really?
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Speaker 1: Yes.
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Speaker 2: It really, really does.
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Speaker 1: It looks very brushed.
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Speaker 2: And I'm so excited to be here because I am dying. Well, you know what?
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Speaker 1: In Florida, there's so much humidity. So it's like, you know, I, and I have that kind of hair that just like the humidity.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know what she was talking about.
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Speaker 1: Your hair always looks gorgeous. I think that they, they, they also like, you know, nod to these comments like, oh my God, she needs to brush your hair. Yeah. I'm like, sometimes I don't brush my hair 24 seven. I'm sorry. I'm not walking around with a brush like I'm in high school.
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Speaker 2: Doing it.
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Speaker 1: Thank you. You're welcome. My Jen Jen. Thank you.
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Speaker 2: All right.
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Speaker 1: So let's get into this. First of all, the golden life. I mean, I'm so great.
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Speaker 2: I am loving it.
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Speaker 1: Every Tuesday night, 10 PM and hours streaming on Hulu.
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Speaker 2: I know. I believe me.
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Speaker 3: I know. I've been watching it actually on Hulu. The third episode just came out. So I cannot wait to actually watch it, but it is so good for me. It's like, all of the elements from New York and that classic feeling of this group of wackos that are together and crazy. And their antics are so much fun to watch. I did have a couple of moments of PTSD. I was, I got like a little scared, like scary Island started to was.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Exactly.
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Speaker 2: So I got a little, I got, I did get that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: But in general, it's like, I'm being honest. It's like watching New York, all the best parts of it. even better watching you guys together again. It's like you didn't miss a beat.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's so crazy because, you know, I started filming in 2009 and it's the same energy, the same connection. I'm the same person. I'm always, I mean, like I've always been the voice of reason. They just didn't want to show me like that. And it's just, we're the same, but it's just so connected. And I think that like genuinely after COVID, like people are starving to, to see what human connection really looks like. And you can't, you can't turn the TV off when you watch us. I mean, I don't watch it.
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Speaker 3: Personally, I don't, your connections are so wacky to me. Like I don't even, that's why I love it. Like, it's like, who are these aliens? How are they speaking to each other?
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Speaker 1: It is.
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Speaker 2: And I love every second of it.
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Speaker 3: It's so, I remember like back in the day, watching New York and looking at Ramona and I'd be like, is she a Martian? How is she talking to people? I have, you know, who talks to people like this? But it was, fascinating and so fun to watch. Right.
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Speaker 2: And it just has not skipped a beat.
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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because, you know, she worked in the fashion business and she worked with a lot of men and we spoke about this and she was just, cause we, cause I work a lot with a lot of men and I'm just like, sometimes I'm like, this is a cakewalk for me being, you know, being on the show is a cakewalk working in my industry is so tough working with these very, very aggressive men. And she's like, I know me too. I had to do that too. And I was like, Oh my God, we're in the same boat.
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Speaker 3: I mean, I see you as very different personality types, but we can, yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't speak like that to people, but I do know what it's like to work with men, and it is not a cakewalk.
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Speaker 2: I can hear that.
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Speaker 1: All right, let's get into the golden life. Okay, so 12 hours later, Luann is still upset because Sonia and Ramona were dancing with Michael.
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Speaker 2: Right, right, right.
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Speaker 1: This is so funny, you're going to die. So at lunch, we're sitting there, and Luann goes... She gave her an inch, and she took the whole bratwurst.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was good.
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Speaker 1: That was so good. That was good.
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Speaker 2: That was very cute.
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Speaker 3: I have to say, I'm sure it's already been said, damn, Luann, well done.
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Speaker 1: I know that was a good one, right?
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Speaker 2: He is so hot. No, I don't mean the saying. I mean the man.
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Speaker 1: Oh, Michael, very nice guy.
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Speaker 2: Damn, nice.
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Speaker 1: Very nice, yeah.
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Speaker 2: About hot AF. I think that's what the kids say.
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Speaker 1: Jen Fessler.
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Speaker 2: He is.
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Speaker 1: That was what the kids say.
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Speaker 2: Right?
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Speaker 1: Yeah. But how about Sonia? She's like, she humps everything. She humps lamps.
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Speaker 2: I mean. I mean, what? Yeah, I mean, I think she would say that.
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Speaker 1: Lamps.
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Speaker 2: I think she would say that. Like, that's her whole world. What is she? Eat, sleep, dick or whatever?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yes, exactly.
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Speaker 1: Eat, sleep, dick.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: And then, you know, we're starting to talk a lot about Sonia and her drinking. And, you know, this is a big, big, big thing. Narrative in this episode because we're seeing a lot of drinking, non-drinking, fighting about drinking.
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Speaker 3: If I'm being honest, I don't see it that it was a big factor in the episode except for Luann. I didn't see anybody else seeming that concerned. I feel like that was kind of fueled by- Luann. And I was surprised by it only because only knowing that Luann has had, you know, her own struggles.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: And she seemed very attached to me to, you know, sort of like outing Sonia. I don't know where that's coming from.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: But I don't know. I felt like. Why are you, why, what is, what are you diving into? What do you want? Almost like, what do you want to discover here?
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: So I felt bad for Sonia in terms of that because clearly, and she's not the only one I can name, not you, but there are several ladies on the show who have, you know, had issues with drinking.
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Speaker 2: Right. And, And they're still drinking.
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 2: So, you know.
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Speaker 1: You know, I think, too, and you know this, too, from being on Jersey. Like, you know, you're in this microscope, under this microscope, and you're in this bubble. And you're filming every single day. Yeah. Two to three times a day. And there's always a glass of wine. And, you know, I found myself in Palm Beach, like, having a glass of rosé at lunch and dinner. And I started... Like I was, you see me in the scene, I'm like, I'll have a piscine, which is literally a red wine glass with rosé and tons of ice. I had to dilute it.
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Speaker 3: That guy was looking at you, by the way. He was also adorable. Yeah, I'll get you a piscine.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Kelly.
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Speaker 1: No, but I literally had to dilute the rosé because it was just too much. I was just like, we were drinking, we were drinking, I mean, minimum two glasses.
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Speaker 2: A day, which- Oh my God, that's not, I'm a drinker. So like that to me is.
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Speaker 1: Right, but for me, that's a lot to be drinking. Like I don't drink at lunch. Like I can't drink at lunch, but I was drinking at lunch and at dinner and then we were going for drinks and it was just like.
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Speaker 3: Listen, again, I don't, I feel like most of those women are drinkers. I don't know about Ramona. So I didn't really get the hook. Like, okay, Sonia's not drinking.
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Speaker 2: She is drinking. Who gives a shit? She's being drunk. over the top. She's crazy. She's a mess. That's classic Sonia. Everyone is here for it.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 1: She's a fun party girl. And we, I mean, we, she's always been that girl. Do you know what I mean? And I think that like what happened is that Luann came from doing all these shows and she flies down to Palm Beach and she's ready to relax and have a good time with her friends. And having a couple of glasses of wine is part of that. And Sonia was like, I live here. Like, I don't need to have a glass of wine on a Tuesday. If I want to, I can, but she doesn't need to. She was drinking a lot of these mocktails, and then, you know, who knows?
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that she wasn't drinking. I don't judge people.
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Speaker 1: I'm like, do you?
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Speaker 2: I'm saying that she wasn't hiding it, you know?
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Speaker 1: Right.
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Speaker 3: Because it did look, she was completely fucked up at that dinner. I had no idea what Sonia was doing, but she definitely seemed out of her mind. And she was on a tear, farting on the way to the bathroom. burping at the table. I mean, it also was kind of gross and sloppy, but it reminds me of me. So I, I, you know, I sort of enjoy watching someone that's not me act like that. I don't fart period. I can't, if you fart in front of me, our friendship is over. I have a weird thing with it.
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Speaker 1: I I'm telling you, I do like smell or is it like, it's.
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Speaker 3: Just that I don't want to smell what's inside of you. I get really pissed. Like you can control it.
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Speaker 2: Go to the bathroom.
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Speaker 1: What if people vomit next to you or near you or around you?
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Speaker 2: That's less offensive to me.
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Speaker 1: In all honesty.
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Speaker 2: I mean, she's so funny.
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Speaker 3: She's like sticking her finger down her throat with the cameras and I'm farting.
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Speaker 2: And I mean, she's just.
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Speaker 1: Something is happening. It's not coming out this way. It's not going out that way.
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Speaker 2: They call me messy fessy. So I relate to this behavior.
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Speaker 3: But I definitely think that Luann is being hard on her and trying to out her with the drinking.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 1: I think that, again, like I think that Luann is just like, let's party. And she's not really thinking about whether it's good for Sonia or not. She's just ready to party.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't mind her being ready to party.
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Speaker 3: I just don't know why she's so attached to what Sonya's doing, whether or not she's drinking. Right.
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Speaker 1: And I think that's also because there's only five of us. It's like we're all like laser focused on each other. Laser. Yeah. I mean, just like constantly, what are you doing? What are you thinking? What are you wearing? Where are you going? Why are you talking like that?
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Speaker 2: Lynn is the only one that seems so focused on that.
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Speaker 3: Right.
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Speaker 2: For whatever reason.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good point. That's a good point. Okay, let's get to the dating.
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Speaker 2: Okay, Kelly.
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Speaker 1: I mean, not the dating, my dating.
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Speaker 2: Your dating.
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Speaker 1: So I'm back on the, back, you know.
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Speaker 2: You are back, baby.
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Speaker 1: I am back.
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Speaker 2: Well, you never, when are you not dating? I don't think I've ever known you where there wasn't someone that was calling.
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Speaker 1: Well, I mean, literally, you know, it's funny because after being, you know, single for so many years and, you know, being in a relationship, I had to call off a, you know, wedding and then just getting into another relationship who I really, I really, really cared about him, but we were so far away and the connection, the real connection, the emotional connection was not there. And the safety was not there. And that's just so important for women. All women, they should feel like very safe with their man. Not like, oh my God, he walks across the street with me to make sure I don't get hit by a car. But like genuine safety, like looks out for me, make sure I got home okay.
00:10:31
Speaker 2: That's everything, of course. Everything, everything. I have to say, you rebound so quickly. I do?
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Speaker 3: Yes, when you broke up with the guy that you're referring to.
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Speaker 2: I remember just being like, are you okay?
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Speaker 1: And I, yeah, I was like, what?
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Speaker 3: And I don't know if that has to do with the fact that you said it on the show, you've never been in love, which I find very surprising and sad.
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Speaker 1: So sad.
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Speaker 2: No, I mean, listen, you're a happy woman. You've had a happy life.
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Speaker 1: I am. I've had an interesting life. I've had a colorful life. I wouldn't say a great life, but it's been, it hasn't been easy. You know, my life has not been easy. And I think that a lot of people just think that it's just, This like, you know, curls, eyelashes, purple blazers. Life is so easy. It's not what you present. You don't present. Well, because I don't want to be the girl that cries on TikTok and is like, poor me. I've never ever seen you be like, poor me. No, I will not be like that.
00:11:26
Speaker 3: I'll go back to Scary Island. You were eating jelly beans while they were attacking.
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Speaker 2: I know.
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Speaker 1: Thank God for my jelly beans.
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Speaker 2: Thank God for your jelly beans.
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Speaker 1: My friend group. Yes, exactly.
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Speaker 2: Your colorful little friend group.
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Speaker 3: No, but I mean, I, I honestly, I was, I, I've never known you. I've known you for a while now, not to be dating, not to be putting yourself out there.
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Speaker 1: So just to be open to it, to see what goes on. It was so interesting because I was really for a long time thinking to myself, okay, I'm looking for this forever person. And then, you know, Heather and I were talking one day, our producer, and I just was like, Heather, like, what am I looking for? I already have it. What am I looking for? Why am I searching for something that I already have? Beautiful kids, great family, great friendships, you know, great life, you know, work.
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Speaker 2: I'd like to see you with, I'd like to see you with a partner.
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Speaker 1: Me too.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: But I also, maybe I'm, maybe like, maybe this idea, I mean, I always wanted to get remarried and have kids. That's not happening anymore. Those days are over. And so maybe it's just like, maybe I should just settle into like, Who I am and be with someone and just be with them. Why do I have to like get married again? Or like, I just want that. I just really want that moment. That real love moment where I'm like so in love with someone that I want that moment.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you may not have been in love with anyone, but I have no doubt in my mind that there have been many men in love with you.
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Speaker 1: I loved them, but I wasn't in love with them. I wasn't like, oh my God.
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Speaker 2: I met Jeff Bessler. I was not... I broke up with him. I was like, there is no spark here. I'm sorry.
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Speaker 3: And he, you know, he kind of wore me down. And, you know, I'm 58 years old. There's not one person in the world I'd rather be with. And I don't mean just because I'm so in love with him.
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Speaker 2: I'm not saying that.
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Speaker 1: Like, that is not.
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Speaker 2: I'm 58.
00:13:16
Speaker 1: I know.
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Speaker 2: You know, I just because I like him so much.
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Speaker 1: And because he loves you.
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Speaker 3: We're just partners, you know, and that's what.
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Speaker 1: I want for you. He adores you. Adores you.
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Speaker 2: You're making it look like I carried away.
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Speaker 1: I'm serious.
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Speaker 3: I see how I do.
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Speaker 2: It's all right. Anyway, it's not about me. It's about you and the stables.
00:13:34
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying like what I am looking for. And I think that like after, you know, being on the pod for, you know, a couple of years now and just kind of talking through all of these insecurities that I've had for so long, I think one of the things that like was this like really baseline important thing for me is safety. And I just haven't found that in a man. What do you, what happens when you- And we're going to talk about that, what happens in Florida. I'm just curious.
00:14:01
Speaker 3: It's like, what, give me, you don't have to name them, but like, tell me in terms of like a specific, what makes you What does a man do that is making you feel unsafe or is not making you feel protected?
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Speaker 1: You know, I think that because my father was a lawyer and, you know, came from nothing, you know, was in the military with, you know, a fantastic, I mean, amazing, amazing lawyer. Number one in his class, University of Illinois, like self-made, very, very protective of my mother and us. And was always like, when I would be in Paris, I would call him and like, It'd be like two o'clock in the morning. I'd be like, hi, daddy. Nine o'clock every day, every single day. And he'd be like, you're gonna do great. You're gonna do a great job. Like he'd be there at swim meets. He was just very supportive, made me feel safe and never said to me, you can't do something. It was like, whatever you need to do, I will make it happen. And even if there were situations that happened in his life, whether they were, I mean, I didn't know about our, you know, if we were, if we had money, if we didn't have money, we didn't, you know, it wasn't spoken in our family, but he always made everything possible and always made me feel safe. And I do that for my girls, but I've never been around a man who made me feel like that.
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Speaker 3: I think that that is so interesting because my father was the opposite. I never felt safe. And I don't know that I was ever smart enough to say, okay, this is what I need. This man will make me feel safe. I think I just got lucky. But what you just described is the thing that I love the most about being married to Jeff Vessler. And I haven't really thought about it until you just said it.
00:15:38
Speaker 2: No, that's true.
00:15:38
Speaker 3: I really do mean that. It's bigger than that. It's what you described when you just described your dad. I can only imagine how many men, though, there are many, Good men they may be hard to find in this world would want to be that for you.
00:15:50
Speaker 1: But they don't have my back. They're like, they're just, it's like, I feel like I'm just in a world of like, these guys just want to be a plus one. I'm like, no, no, I want to be a plus one to your life.
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Speaker 2: Right.
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Speaker 1: Not mine. I don't need a plus one. I've got, I take my kids everywhere. I don't, I'm not taking you. Right.
00:16:05
Speaker 3: So I was engaged and we were taking a ride. I was, we were living in Guttenberg, New Jersey, and I was working in Hoboken, but I just moved in with Jeff. And I said to him, we were taking a drive into Hoboken. I was like, you know, when we get back tonight, we were going somewhere. I need to figure out where the bus, how I can get on the bus to get to work or whatever. And I don't know why I thought this in the morning. When I said it to him, it was early and we had a whole day in front of us. And my expectation was that he was not going to remember.
00:16:33
Speaker 1: I don't know why.
00:16:35
Speaker 2: I like marked it.
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Speaker 3: Like, I just didn't expect a man to remember. Like, that's what I was going to need in the morning. And we're coming home and I remember it was late. And he's like, all right, we have to go drive over. It sounds so silly, right? But we have to go do the route so you know where you're going. And that has stuck with me throughout my marriage, that I said it to him. Once.
00:16:55
Speaker 2: It was about me. It was once.
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Speaker 1: It was important.
00:16:57
Speaker 2: And it was important. And I could count on him. Right. You know?
00:17:01
Speaker 1: I have never had that. I have never been in a relationship with a man I could count on. Never.
00:17:06
Speaker 2: Well, we're going to need to talk a little more here. I mean, I... I don't know why you can't or haven't, not can't, why you haven't found that.
00:17:15
Speaker 1: Because I think that the wrong guys are attracted to me. I think that they think that I'm the alpha. And it's like, I'm not the alpha. I have to be the alpha. It's a different thing. It's different. I don't want to be the alpha. I want him to be the alpha. I want to push them forward.
00:17:31
Speaker 2: How do you pick that out before you waste time, right?
00:17:34
Speaker 1: I know. I know. It's really crazy. Anyway, so I'm on Raya again. And I love Raya because it's just... There's a lot of guys that are similar to my lifestyle.
00:17:44
Speaker 3: Sure.
00:17:46
Speaker 1: Whether they're actors, CEOs, whatever they are. It's just, there are a lot of really good guys. So I'm on Raya. I just broken up with my guy and you were so sweet to check in with me. And I'm like, you know, I'm just going to go Raya. Like my profile picture is like me, like looking down, you can't even see my face, looking down with like all this, all my polo equipment. Cause my daughter was like, you have to show a vibe. You can't like show your face. I'm like a vibe. I'm like, shouldn't they see my face?
00:18:11
Speaker 2: My daughter's like, you know, the vibe is off.
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Speaker 1: Right.
00:18:14
Speaker 2: It's the vibe. Go on. I'm sorry.
00:18:16
Speaker 1: So anyway, so this is a picture of me and I'll screenshot. Oh, I can't screenshot, but I'll show it to you. And so you don't really know like who I am or what's going on. So cut to, there's this guy, Nick, and he's an Olympic snowboarder. I had no idea. It's just, he was a snowboarder. And I just thought, I was like, this guy is from upper peninsula. I'm like, he's from the Midwest. Well, he's not really from the Midwest, but he kind of is. And he is like so fun. You can see, he's like comes off the page. He's got this very dynamic personality. And so we started texting and he's like, yeah, I have a race tomorrow. And I'm like, oh, that's so great. Congratulations. He's like, yeah, I'm in the Olympics. I'm like, wait, what? Like the Olympics? You're texting me from the Olympics right now? You're right.
00:19:08
Speaker 2: I can turn on the TV tomorrow and watch you. Right. Race in the Olympics. Right.
00:19:12
Speaker 1: I could have just watched him. Yes. Snowboard. Snowboard.
00:19:15
Speaker 2: Excuse me.
00:19:15
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm sorry.
00:19:18
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's pretty cool.
00:19:19
Speaker 1: I literally was like, drop the mic. This guy is a baller. Like very cool guy.
00:19:27
Speaker 2: I feel like that.
00:19:29
Speaker 1: And so I just was like, I'm listening. I'm in Palm Beach. Do you want to come and go? Because he was going to be in Palm Beach with some of the other friends playing golf because all the athletes go to Palm Beach to play golf. And so I was like, if you're here, do you want to go on a date? And he was like, sure. So he flies down. And he meets me at this.
00:19:50
Speaker 2: He flew down for the date.
00:19:51
Speaker 1: Well, he was down for golf. Okay. He was playing golf.
00:19:53
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:19:55
Speaker 1: And he flew, you know, he was down for there. He was down for golf. And then he came to see me. And I was like, let's go ride horses. Do you ride horses?
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Speaker 3: So let me ask you this. I mean, obviously you had to tell him that it was going to get filmed.
00:20:08
Speaker 1: Right.
00:20:09
Speaker 2: And he was cool.
00:20:10
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. He was totally fine. He didn't care.
00:20:11
Speaker 2: Well, that says something also. I don't know what it says, but I know it says something.
00:20:15
Speaker 1: Well, true story. Because every single guy is like, I just don't want to be in the press. And I don't want to be filmed. I'm like, they don't want you anyway, you slug. Like, gross. Like, why would you say that to somebody? How rude. I would never say that to somebody.
00:20:29
Speaker 2: Maybe insecurity. Yeah. I would just say, you know, I don't want to be on camera. Who knows why? But I also think, but I think it's hard either way. Right.
00:20:36
Speaker 3: If he, if they're like, oh no, don't, I'm fine with that. That's a little scary.
00:20:40
Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. You know, he wasn't fine with it, but he didn't care. And I like that because fine with it means like, you're just like a clout farmer and not fine with it means you just want to be known by the world, but you're just pretending that you don't.
00:20:54
Speaker 2: Right. It's hard, but you're in the hard position there. Right. Cause like, You're being filmed. That's your reality.
00:21:01
Speaker 1: It's my work.
00:21:02
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:21:02
Speaker 1: So cut to, so we go to the, we go to the polar fields and I'm just like, okay, this is going to be great. I talked to my, my chief of staff. She like does all my business for me. Very, very bright woman. And she was like, Kelly, you've got to get out there. She was really pushing me to do this. And I was like, I don't know if I want to film. I don't want to film dating anymore. I'm like, everyone's going to be like, oh my God, Kelly's dating. You know, it's like, so I go to the polar fields and And I walk up to this man and his name is Juan. I was like, of course your name is. Do you, are you featured in like any kind of telenovela or like, is there something I don't know? He's like, Kelly, Kelly. I was like, I'm sorry, what? Kelly, Kelly?
00:21:51
Speaker 2: You never met him before.
00:21:52
Speaker 1: Never. Never. I was just like, who is this person?
00:21:55
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:21:55
Speaker 1: And I'm like, wait a minute, I'm on a double date.
00:21:58
Speaker 2: So, okay, go on.
00:21:59
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows if Juan, I mean, Juan and I became friends, but who knows if he's dating? I never even asked him. But I just was like, wow.
00:22:08
Speaker 2: Really, Kel?
00:22:09
Speaker 1: Well, it's because it's like, that's what I love. That's my like happy place is like my, is around horses. And you really never see, I mean, polo players are very attractive, but they're typically not very tall. That's interesting. So this guy was very tall and very attractive and age appropriate. And I was like, wow.
00:22:29
Speaker 2: I wasn't feeling it.
00:22:30
Speaker 1: Really?
00:22:30
Speaker 2: Not really.
00:22:31
Speaker 1: We should see him in real life, though.
00:22:32
Speaker 2: No, it's not that he wasn't attractive.
00:22:34
Speaker 1: No, I'm telling you, it was like, I swear to God, it was like telenovela, like full on. I mean, I was like, I needed like a fan to like blow my hair around.
00:22:43
Speaker 2: Maybe it's just because I just don't feel that anymore.
00:22:45
Speaker 1: Period.
00:22:46
Speaker 2: I'm dead inside.
00:22:47
Speaker 1: You know, you're new. I'm 58.
00:22:50
Speaker 2: I'm two.
00:22:51
Speaker 1: Right.
00:22:51
Speaker 2: I thought we were the same age.
00:22:52
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:22:52
Speaker 2: Um, hard to tell, but yes, we're the same age, but yeah, no, I, uh, no one.
00:22:57
Speaker 1: Okay. Okay. So when, so then, so I'm like, Nick, you're going to get on this horse named supermodel. It was like, okay.
00:23:04
Speaker 2: They had to do that on purpose, right? Pull out supermodel.
00:23:07
Speaker 1: I literally did not even know. I don't even think they knew. I think they were just like, we're filming and then I show up and then the horse is named supermodel. I think it was literally, I don't think it was planned because it just happens to be, and it's actually my friend's horse.
00:23:20
Speaker 2: Oh, okay.
00:23:20
Speaker 1: That's named supermodel. So it was just like totally serendipitous.
00:23:24
Speaker 3: Right.
00:23:24
Speaker 1: But very funny. Okay. And then he gets on the horse. And instead of being like nervous or anything, just zipping around.
00:23:30
Speaker 2: He's an athlete.
00:23:31
Speaker 1: And Juan is like, you, Kelly, you stay with me. I was like, whoa. So. Wow.
00:23:36
Speaker 2: Well, I would say, so Nick walks in and the Olympic thing is hot, right?
00:23:41
Speaker 1: Hot. But I didn't.
00:23:42
Speaker 3: So I don't know if it's just me. Again, maybe I was dead inside, but I didn't, I didn't. Your reaction to him, I was a little surprised at, right?
00:23:50
Speaker 2: Really?
00:23:50
Speaker 3: Because I just see you and you're like, you know, this, I don't know, six foot nine dreamy supermodel.
00:23:56
Speaker 1: Six foot nine.
00:23:57
Speaker 3: And this guy, whatever you are, and these, you know, and he was fine. I wasn't into the mustache, but he was cute. But I actually, he grew on me. Like once you guys were sitting down having your solo cup glasses of rosé or whatever. I was like, okay, I like, like his personality.
00:24:13
Speaker 2: Grew on me.
00:24:14
Speaker 1: His personality.
00:24:15
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:24:15
Speaker 1: Is amazing.
00:24:16
Speaker 2: Juan was very Rico Suave.
00:24:18
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:24:18
Speaker 3: But I mean, you just seem so like excited by both of them.
00:24:22
Speaker 2: And I feel like that is a little bit of your MO.
00:24:24
Speaker 3: Like you're so, like you meet a guy and instantly you're like, oh my God, he's so funny. He's so great. He's so handsome. He's so this. I would have been a little more like, We'll see.
00:24:38
Speaker 2: Eh, maybe, maybe not. I am.
00:24:40
Speaker 1: It's not that great looking. I'm like, I met a guy.
00:24:42
Speaker 3: Yes, you're always like, he's the funniest thing.
00:24:44
Speaker 2: I'm like, ain't that funny, Kelly.
00:24:45
Speaker 3: I don't know what you're getting so carried away about. I ain't that good looking, Kelly.
00:24:50
Speaker 1: First of all, I love you for that. And I love that you're just like so dry. And I am, I'm a cheerleader. I swear to God. I'm like, I need full on pom poms 24 seven.
00:24:57
Speaker 2: I mean, you haven't even given them a chance to say.
00:25:01
Speaker 3: Hello or make a joke. And you're like, he is so funny and so handsome. And I'm watching like, But he's not. I mean, maybe he's okay.
00:25:08
Speaker 2: Give me a minute.
00:25:09
Speaker 1: I'm also like, I get my like superpower is like I can pull out one person's like dynamic quality in like one second. Like I'm very, very good at that. And then I just feed off of that.
00:25:23
Speaker 2: Maybe you should make them work for it a little harder first.
00:25:25
Speaker 3: 100%.
00:25:25
Speaker 1: I don't know. take away, work harder. And I said that to him. And I said that to Juan. I was like, you can't, you know, you have to make these guys work for it. And he goes, no, don't make them work for it.
00:25:38
Speaker 2: Just give it away. I just watch you also.
00:25:40
Speaker 3: You're so charming and you're always giggling and you're always light. And I feel like you make it very easy on these guys.
00:25:49
Speaker 1: Wait, so I have to be tougher?
00:25:50
Speaker 2: No, I don't mean tougher.
00:25:52
Speaker 3: I just mean, I feel as if watching you that you are making it comfortable. You're so eager to make it comfortable and light and fun.
00:26:00
Speaker 1: Right.
00:26:01
Speaker 3: And I do think to myself, like, you don't have to work. They should be working that hard to make you feel comfortable and light. And like, you're the charming, funny one.
00:26:11
Speaker 1: I love you, Jen Fessler. Anyway. I needed this today. Oh, good. Okay. So now we're at lunch.
00:26:18
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:26:19
Speaker 1: We've been on the yacht and now we're at lunch. And Sonia is mad.
00:26:28
Speaker 2: Yes, she is.
00:26:28
Speaker 1: And so is Luann. So Luann is like, you're telling me that, you know, I steal all your boyfriends. Tom didn't want to marry me. You know, you're, and she's, well, I mean, Sonia was Tom's girlfriend for a very, very long time.
00:26:41
Speaker 2: So, wow. That was swept way under the rug. I did not realize that.
00:26:46
Speaker 1: I did not either.
00:26:46
Speaker 3: Unless I was not that keyed in at that time to New York, but I didn't realize that they were a serious thing. And obviously I would think that Sonia will be harboring a bit of a grudge.
00:26:56
Speaker 2: Right. Right. Of course.
00:26:57
Speaker 1: I mean, imagine if a guy that you've been sleeping with or whatever you've been doing with for X amount of years, and all of a sudden he meets your friend and they get married. I mean, I would be like, I'd be so jealous. So. You know, Sonia and Luann are, like, literally fighting about, like, who knew Tom first and who was more in love with him or all this stuff. They're not even together.
00:27:27
Speaker 2: I mean, Tom who?
00:27:28
Speaker 1: Right?
00:27:29
Speaker 2: I mean, but.
00:27:31
Speaker 1: He is not my favorite.
00:27:32
Speaker 3: I think, well, I don't think he's anyone's favorite. But I also think that it was, it's easy for Sonia to go back. Like, so now here's Luann saying you are all over my man in an inappropriate way. Right.
00:27:44
Speaker 2: Which clearly. She was.
00:27:46
Speaker 1: Right.
00:27:47
Speaker 2: Okay.
00:27:47
Speaker 1: But she is like that.
00:27:48
Speaker 2: I know.
00:27:49
Speaker 1: She's just a playful puppy. She just is like, and then she walks away. I mean, she's just like that.
00:27:56
Speaker 2: I agree. I know that she is.
00:27:57
Speaker 3: But, you know, this is, for whatever reason, this time it got under Luann's skin.
00:28:02
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:28:03
Speaker 2: She's very into this guy.
00:28:04
Speaker 1: Yes.
00:28:05
Speaker 3: I'm not surprised. And she didn't like it. And it was like, listen, Ramona was all over him in a very innocent.
00:28:14
Speaker 2: Way, I have to say.
00:28:15
Speaker 3: Right. dancing, hugging, you know, like, like grabbing his ass and pulling up his shirt and all of that does feel like maybe there's a line being crossed. But I think that probably Sonia's, I mean, she hopped right into, well, you must know you're a cheater. Like it went from zero, but let's say it went from about three to a 10 quick.
00:28:40
Speaker 2: Right. Right.
00:28:41
Speaker 1: And she does that.
00:28:42
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:28:43
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, she does do that.
00:28:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, she does do that. She's very playful and fun. And then if she doesn't like something, it's like, it just goes into like, right.
00:28:50
Speaker 2: Yes.
00:28:51
Speaker 3: But I mean, I guess maybe she is still harboring that resentment. Like, don't come at me for getting on your guy when you basically stole mine. So, you know, that could be still going on.
00:29:02
Speaker 1: I think one of the things that I noticed filming is that Because I haven't filmed with Sonia since Ultimate. And before that, it was almost 10 years. And I've done a lot of other things and been on other shows. But I hadn't filmed with them. And what I see and I hear is that they have a lot of such pent-up resentment. And they just want to be heard. They just want their stories to be heard. So I literally... I'm sitting with them just like, tell me, tell me what happened. yeah and nobody has had that opportunity like whether it's all the women.
00:29:38
Speaker 2: Are regardless of avery's best efforts.
00:29:40
Speaker 1: No no and and sonia really opens up with me and she starts to trust me because i'm actually genuinely listening to what she's saying and i'm not waiting for my like you know line right that's gonna be like all the fans are gonna be like you know having fun with i'm genuinely listening and And it makes her feel safe.
00:30:00
Speaker 2: That's what she said, literally, right?
00:30:02
Speaker 1: I mean, it's unbelievable.
00:30:03
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:30:03
Speaker 1: It's unbelievable.
00:30:04
Speaker 2: Well, listen, I think that- And.
00:30:06
Speaker 1: Our relationship went from like, I hadn't seen her, so it was like lukewarm to like, you know, bathtub water.
00:30:13
Speaker 3: You know, if I'm, just personally, if I'm choosing one woman on the cast besides Kelly Ben Simone, I feel like I would probably, believe it or not, trust and confide in Sonia. And I know she can be a loose cannon, but I, I, for whatever reason feel like there is something very, um, vulnerable, compassionate, and I don't feel like she's out to get anyone, which I do sometimes feel from a couple of the other women who will remain nameless for now.
00:30:50
Speaker 1: For now. I agree with you. I think that, I mean, I live with her. You're In B, so this is A, we're in Palm Beach, and then we go to B, we're in the Hamptons. And you're going to see, because we live together, and you're going to see how fun and playful, but how thoughtful.
00:31:05
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe, yeah.
00:31:06
Speaker 1: She's so thoughtful. Right. And she is, talk about a girl's girl, and that's what you're saying. She is the quintessential girl's girl. If somebody says something that she doesn't like, she will really, really support you.
00:31:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how I feel it.
00:31:21
Speaker 1: And I feel, and I think that Luann is kind of like, you're not drinking. You're all over my man. What is going on? And then you're telling, you're talking about.
00:31:29
Speaker 3: It just keeps going back to, you're not drinking. Like, okay, I don't get it.
00:31:34
Speaker 2: Like, what's your point? So you are drinking, you're sneaking it.
00:31:37
Speaker 3: Why are we trying to, you know, I don't get why we're trying to sort of, trap her here into admitting something.
00:31:44
Speaker 2: Who gives a shit?
00:31:45
Speaker 3: Not who gives a shit, but the bigger issue is you have your hands up my man's shirt.
00:31:49
Speaker 2: I don't like it. Right. Don't do that again.
00:31:51
Speaker 1: Right.
00:31:51
Speaker 2: Right.
00:31:52
Speaker 1: But they also have this weird competition. Yeah. Because.
00:31:55
Speaker 2: Over men.
00:31:57
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't.
00:31:58
Speaker 2: Back to Tom, maybe?
00:31:59
Speaker 1: They have this weird competition. I think they've dated the same men, whether it was like Harry, Tom. Oh, right, right, right, right, right.
00:32:05
Speaker 2: Harry.
00:32:05
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's others. Yeah. But it's very, it's competitive. And it's just, I'm like, it's like watching like a ping pong. I'm like, what is going on here?
00:32:12
Speaker 2: The good news is it's over. I mean, Luann now has this dream boat.
00:32:16
Speaker 3: Right.
00:32:16
Speaker 2: And let's keep it moving.
00:32:19
Speaker 1: And I think that's hard for Sonya too. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah. You know? Yeah.
00:32:23
Speaker 2: Yeah. I could see that.
00:32:24
Speaker 1: I mean, she wants to get married. She wants to find a man. She wants to have a new life, you know?
00:32:28
Speaker 3: She doesn't act in a way, at least on the show, that feels serious like that, at least not yet. Right now, she feels like she is exactly what she describes out for food, sleep, and dick.
00:32:41
Speaker 2: What did she say? What did she say? I just know husband was not part of that equation.
00:32:47
Speaker 1: Eat, sleep, dick.
00:32:48
Speaker 2: Eat, sleep, dick was not like eat, sleep, connect.
00:32:52
Speaker 3: Right.
00:32:52
Speaker 1: Eat, sleep, dick, dash, husband.
00:32:54
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not feeling that for her, which is fine. Listen, honey, just be happy as long as she's happy.
00:33:00
Speaker 1: Good.
00:33:01
Speaker 2: I admire it.
00:33:04
Speaker 1: Oh, my God. And so, you know, we've talked about, you know, Sonia. We've talked about, I think it's really about Sonia and Luann. Really, this whole... Deep-seated... Resentment. Resentment, competition.
00:33:16
Speaker 2: Right.
00:33:19
Speaker 1: And then I think at the very end, you see Sonia's like, you know, Kelly's a kiss ass because then it's just time to deflect on someone else. And if anyone that knows me knows I am definitely not a kiss ass. I'm polite. I'm well-mannered. I'm educated, but I am not a kiss ass. If I don't like something, you know it because you're done.
00:33:37
Speaker 3: Listen, I think in that moment, she felt very betrayed because she needed you to just be team Sonia.
00:33:44
Speaker 1: And I was trying to give Luann some color and just say, you know, this has been something that's worked. She would have been talking about, like, I wasn't like, Oh my God, tell me to tell you.
00:33:54
Speaker 2: No, it definitely was not like that.
00:33:55
Speaker 1: I was not doing that.
00:33:57
Speaker 2: It was like, yeah. And I wouldn't do that.
00:33:58
Speaker 3: Right.
00:33:58
Speaker 1: No, I wouldn't do that.
00:34:00
Speaker 3: But it was like, um, it was more like, yeah, listen, she told me this yesterday. She can't, whatever it was, she caught you saying it.
00:34:07
Speaker 2: It was a bad moment. Your intentions were not real, but she didn't like it.
00:34:12
Speaker 3: No.
00:34:12
Speaker 2: And, You know what?
00:34:14
Speaker 3: I could understand where she was coming from because you're the one she trusts most in that situation. So she just wanted to see you say, you know, whatever you were going to say, team Sonia.
00:34:25
Speaker 1: Right. Exactly.
00:34:25
Speaker 2: So she was sensitive to it.
00:34:26
Speaker 1: Right.
00:34:27
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:34:28
Speaker 1: Exactly. And I am team Sonia.
00:34:29
Speaker 2: I know you are.
00:34:30
Speaker 1: But I also am trying to give Luann like.
00:34:32
Speaker 2: Some perspective.
00:34:33
Speaker 3: Right.
00:34:33
Speaker 1: So she understands because Luann hasn't been around everyone. She's been.
00:34:35
Speaker 2: Right.
00:34:36
Speaker 1: You know, traveling the world.
00:34:37
Speaker 2: Right.
00:34:38
Speaker 1: So yes, team Sonia. Always team Sonia. Always team Sonia.
00:34:41
Speaker 2: You team everyone.
00:34:42
Speaker 1: I love that you are loving. Well, that's not true. I'm on your team until I'm off.
00:34:47
Speaker 2: Until you're not.
00:34:48
Speaker 1: And then it's like crickets.
00:34:50
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can see that.
00:34:51
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, no, no, don't bother me.
00:34:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're a softie though.
00:34:53
Speaker 1: Not that soft. Okay.
00:34:55
Speaker 2: We'll see. It's only, we're only in episode two.
00:34:57
Speaker 1: We will see.
00:34:58
Speaker 2: We will see. And then you've been thrown in with the gladiators, so we will see, Kel.
00:35:02
Speaker 1: No. Okay. Jen, thank you so much. I love going through this with you.
00:35:10
Speaker 2: I love going through this with you.
00:35:12
Speaker 3: This is, has, I'm telling you, this is, the golden life has brought such a light to my life.
00:35:18
Speaker 2: It has. I'm like so excited.
00:35:20
Speaker 1: Finally, like the show.
00:35:21
Speaker 3: I mean, honestly, and watching you guys, it's like, I know pretty much all of you, but I've been friends with you for many more years than you've even known me, right? I've been invested in this group of women for a long, long time waiting for this moment to come.
00:35:37
Speaker 2: And you guys are not disappointing.
00:35:39
Speaker 1: Oh my God. It's awesome. Wait, I appreciate that.
00:35:42
Speaker 2: It's so good.
00:35:42
Speaker 1: We love our Jen Fessler.
00:35:43
Speaker 2: Love you guys too.
00:35:44
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