May 31, 2026
What is It With Love Islanders and the N-Word?!
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RSS Feed Here we go again, but this time, an islander who used the n-word on newly resurfaced social media posts is being removed before we even meet her. Two videos from 25-year-old Vasana Montgomery have been circulated where she is seen saying the n-word playing a video game and rapping to a song in the car. Last season, it was Yulissa Escobar who was kicked off after the first episode when videos of her using the racial slur were discovered. Later, Cierra Ortega was kicked off for videos showing her using an Asian slur.
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00:00:02
Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Sunday, May thirty first, and the season hasn't even kicked off yet, but already an islander has been kicked out of the villa and for a reason that should sound pretty familiar. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Roabes. The show kicks off on Tuesdays, supposed to half twelve islanders in there one of them. How are you gonna get kicked out.
00:00:26
Speaker 2: Of the villa before the show even starts, right, And here we go again. At least this time we didn't get to know her and see her and then have her poof just disappear, because that's what's happened in previous seasons. But yes, another island has been kicked. Islander has been kicked off the show before we even get to the premiere, which is Tuesday, which, by the way, we're very excited about in this house because of old social media posts that have just recently resurfaced.
00:00:58
Speaker 1: And this is the second year in a row, folks, that this has happened. An islander on the hit Peacock show Love Island has been kicked out because old posts have shown up in which she was using the n word again, back to back years. This has happened. The show kicks off on Tuesday again, Robes, this is this is a record setting streaming juggernaut for Peacock. This is the eighth season. It's a hit. People look forward to it like crazy. We literally have watch parties set up here for it already. But the young lady's name we're talking about is Basana Montgomery and Robes, she along with eleven others, were just announced three days ago as the new cast.
00:01:43
Speaker 2: Yes, this is a big deal. And the fact that they're able to roll this out. It premieres June second, three days that's all it took. And man, you've got I don't know if it's Internet sleuth's friends who you've disgruntled friends, because apparently these videos were shared on a private social media where you just kind of have a my daughters call it Finsta. We have friends and Instagram, so it's not necessarily a widely public release of a video. Maybe there it was in a smaller, tighter circle. So yeah, somehow these two videos got out and she clearly says the end word.
00:02:21
Speaker 1: So if we on that point at least, Roe, So, how is the vetting a problem. Well, you know, Robes, this has happened too many times on too many shows in to where they's just have egg on their face, and you know, their vetting is pretty extensive, and I can't imagine they knew about this and said let's go ahead and roll the dilute. So we're pretty sure that these videos are just coming to light, and the reason being Robes, no one knew to put it out there. Nobody cared maybe until the cast was announced, and then maybe some people in her circle said, oh wait a minute, I have this, and then that's why it became relevant. Robes, I give them credit. What else can you do? The hell with it? Kick them out, be transparent. Let's do this before the show starts.
00:03:06
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I think they're probably saying, thank god we found out before it show starts, because the worst case scenario is she becomes an integral cast member where people are rooting for her or feeling something about her, and all of a sudden she just disappears, which is exactly what they had to do last year, and that's a lot more messy. At least, get this done before the show even begins. We can focus on actually just the entertainment value and enjoying the show and rooting for the people we like and all of that without any of this ugliness. Hopefully they can put this to bed, but still we have to talk about what they found, and it is concerning. And look, she's twenty five, and I don't know how old these videos are. Did they even make a point to say if this was a year ago, this was two years ago?
00:03:51
Speaker 3: Unclear how how old?
00:03:52
Speaker 1: She looks pretty young in one of else, was like, you look a kid in one of them, she does, you look like a teenager and one of them, but that's no excuse. But who knows how old they are? But it doesn't seem like it was something that was in recent months or even years.
00:04:04
Speaker 2: Possible, Yes, and this just goes to show kids think that they're being funny or cool or whatever reason she had for doing what she did and saying what she said.
00:04:12
Speaker 3: But just kids are so stupid.
00:04:14
Speaker 2: And these videos exist, they don't go away, they don't disappear, and to put something out there like that, yeah, you have to face the consequences for it.
00:04:23
Speaker 1: And seeing her pictures robes. I don't know what her background, ethnicity, I don't know that part of it, but I look at her, and she does not look like a woman who has earned the right through births to say the in word at any point what I'm saying. And she looks like a white woman exactly. So don't know exactly what her background is, but this is the point of where we are and what we're doing. She's twenty five years old. They say she's a or she's labeled as a business owner of some kind from Beaverton, Oregon. But the videos we're talking about, they're two and they're pretty short. One of them she's in a car wrapping. The other one she's playing video games with her friends. It looked in that one, did it look like they were out like a public place, like a big yeah, like even a Dave in Busters. I don't want to throw their name in there, like they're associated with this.
00:05:09
Speaker 3: It was like an arcade.
00:05:10
Speaker 1: There you go. That's what I'm looking for.
00:05:11
Speaker 3: It was in the arcade.
00:05:12
Speaker 2: And yes, there's a video game and she shouts out the N word.
00:05:17
Speaker 1: So I don't know why and what she's doing. But there are people around, friends around, they're laughing and having a good old time.
00:05:22
Speaker 3: Well that's perhaps the most disturbing part of it.
00:05:24
Speaker 2: It's not like in the second video she's singing along with rap lyrics, which is still I get it, not okay, then posting that online or posting that to her social media.
00:05:34
Speaker 3: But the first one, she she shouts out the word oh.
00:05:37
Speaker 1: You hear clearly in both of them, and while she says it knock knock inWORD, why does she say that while playing video game with friends? Knock knock in word? She shouts that out. The other one, she's rapping along to a song and the lyric is Weddy's inwards at where these in words at? And she shouts it happily rapping in the video in the car she's in the passenger seats on that one robes what's the reaction supposed to be? And looking at that, it always makes me uncomfortable, unnerved when I see somebody outside of black folks using that word. It just it just is I look at it this and I go, you idiot, I'm sorry, I'm not, please please please, I'm not. I don't know, Miss Montgomery. What I'm saying is I look a lot of times at young kids outside of our community, and hip hop culture has an outside influence on pop culture and all this music, and all hip hop is cool no matter what. Black culture is the coolest culture. Everybody wants a part of it, period, including a bunch of white kids in the suburbs who are now consuming all of this hip hop where every fifteenth word is the N word. So they having a good old time singing along, rapping along and think it's fine and really robes in some bit of their defense. They got no idea of history. They don't know what the hell they're saying and why, and what it means and how offensive and everything else. So that's what I saw, at least in that video of her wrapping in the car.
00:07:05
Speaker 2: Yes, and thank you for that perspective, one that only someone who is black, who understands what that word means and is can actually say that. And I think you hit it though, Like it didn't appear as though she was saying it in a negative, hurling, an insult kind of a way. She was trying to be cool, let's be honest. That's what it looked.
00:07:28
Speaker 3: Like to me. She was thinking she was cool.
00:07:31
Speaker 2: She was trying to be cool, and so she says the word to feel cool and that's still not okay. But it didn't appear to be hurled at a in a mean spirited way.
00:07:44
Speaker 1: This is the other part of it that disturbs me most. This was not the first or second or third time she'd used that word rogues. This is in her vocabulary. It is a regular part of her vocabulary. The knock knock inward just hanging out. She's throwing it around as if she's talking to her people like just it's now that one those two and that that is my biggest part road. This is a part of her yes vocabulary.
00:08:11
Speaker 3: I would argue it almost felt like cultural appropriation.
00:08:13
Speaker 2: I know that that's a phrase a lot of people use, but it's almost like this wanting to be a part of the cool factor of black people, but never ever having to experience all of the unbelievable negative part that comes with being black.
00:08:29
Speaker 3: That's the whole point.
00:08:31
Speaker 1: She's and folks like this, and I don't know, if you've got kids out there in the stage and listen to this music, they don't realize write what they're doing. They don't mean harm, but the fact that they don't realize they're doing harm is the most harmful part. As crazy as that is, you don't even realize what you're doing and do not at all try to sanitize this word in some ways. Ahes just in music. Anybody can see it now they say it, so we can say it or you I'm should the damn builder, and I can say the in word. Freedom of speech, don't do that. This is this is one we are not going to compromise on. And ever say yeah, anybody can say the in word. She feels whatever reason, she's in that camp and belonged in that camp, and rose it's hard. You know me, I don't know this woman. So I'm not giving any judgment on her character at all, but just looking at this, she seems to be robes in a camp that a lot been a lot of suburban white kids are in right now, yep.
00:09:32
Speaker 2: And so look, if anything, get having her kicked off for this and people seeing the videos, maybe that will raise awareness, Hey, this is not okay. This is not acceptable behavior, and here's why. And maybe if that come more of that conversation, it can land on some folks to say, oh, yeah, right, I was born in a much different situation. I'm treated differently period because of how I look, and therefore I don't get to just hang with and act as if I'm one of them and I get to say what they say because they're cooler than me, they got better music than me, So let me just jump on that train.
00:10:11
Speaker 3: Like, you don't get to do that, perupt.
00:10:13
Speaker 1: If you don't understand why you shouldn't say the in word, and you shouldn't be a part of this discussion. We don't have to go into anything history, we don't have yay, we don't have to go into anything. This is off limits. This word is off limits. There are some words I will never ever utter because I am not in that community. I am not show recently and a drag ring yelled the F word in my face wanted me to repeat it.
00:10:40
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you remember that and you were like, come on, bro, absolutely I think that.
00:10:44
Speaker 1: Was my response, Come on, like that was supposed to be fun and Joe, it's not. Okay, I get it. I'm not fighting for the right to use the F word. Why do you so desperately want to say the N word? Skip it in the song, use the non explicit version on Spotify. You got to why are you desperate to say this? And yeah, ropes, here we go again. Now she's a little different from the lady last year Ulyssa Escoba, she was on for a one show, one show and then disappeared, but she was a prolific in word user as well.
00:11:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, she uttered the N word repeatedly, I believe is how it's been described. And even though when she left and it was just like Ulyssa has left the building, and then she was never mentioned again on the show.
00:11:26
Speaker 3: So if you just watched the.
00:11:27
Speaker 2: Show, she just literally disappeared without any EXPONENTI they worried about her, but obviously behind the scenes. Yes, it was released and she did have a statement. She issued an apology, but there have been notes I was reading. Deadline just wrote an article saying she has since now gone on social media downplaying the severity of what she did, defending what she did, saying it's not that big of a deal. So even though she initially uttered an apology, she's backtracked that a little bit by saying whatever.
00:11:57
Speaker 1: Because she talked to all of her black friends who told her it's not a big deal.
00:12:01
Speaker 2: She dates black men's she's not a racist. So yeah, and I do think that there is a lot of that thought, like, well, obviously I love black people. Obviously I like black people, so it's not that big of a deal. I'm not a racist, So that that's a problem, bro.
00:12:16
Speaker 1: If that flies in the face, if people are in her age range actually trying to find a defense for saying that. Now, is she going to look at me in my face and call me the IN word? And if you're not going to do that, then you know there's a problem. So don't talk to me about it's okay to use this word. If you don't think it's okay to look me in my face as a non black person, you are and call me the inWORD. If you're cool with that, let's talk. But defend that. Come on, man, you can't use it it just colloquially because it's a part of a song, or call somebody that who is not in your community. You can't do it. Why do white folks want this? We got one thing on y'all, one thing that y'all can't do that we can the N word. Just let us have this one. I mean, we only took it from y'all anyway, becuse y'all will call on those this. Let us have it back, and let's just call it a day. Why do folks desperately want to say the inward.
00:13:13
Speaker 3: They want to be cool, like, why that ain't stop?
00:13:16
Speaker 1: Oh man, you know what this is? It really just a matter of that. It is y'all got one thing we can't have. That's freedom of speech, folks. No, that's what gets thrown at us. They so upset about this one thing. Hey yea Lissa, Oh you listen? What was the other one?
00:13:31
Speaker 3: Her name is Sierra or Tega?
00:13:33
Speaker 1: How many? How deep did she get into the show?
00:13:35
Speaker 2: It was a couple episodes in I can look and find out exactly how many episodes. But she was there for a while and her issue she was caught at least it was released. These things get leaked because people are desperate to take people down. But she had done like she was doing her makeup to social media, to TikTok whatever, and she was she used an Asian slur describing her eyes, like how her eyes looked, And she says she didn't realize it was a slur. I guess that's obviously not a defense. So she was still kicked off the show because of that. And that so they had two incidents last year of women contestants found to have made racial slurs and put them on camera and posted them for plenty of people to see.
00:14:25
Speaker 1: Yes, this is I know, I mean, give the warnings to you kids now. Something they do at sixteen, seventeen, eighteen nineteen, right now could cost them an opportunity six years from now. And that's just the truth of the matter. So this is something words slurs language. How we treat each other and how the audience gets engaged when it comes to Love Island has been something that the show has spent time trying to combat. So stay here. We'll give you a reminder as they gave us a reminder of the behavior they're asking people to please keep in check. Also a couple of other things we'll hit on here, a couple of things that got us talking, including ropes in particular, what do we do now with reality TV and stars now that they are under non stop scrutiny before, during, and then after these shows air. Stay here we continue here on this Sunday, May thirty first, just a couple of days away from the big Love Island Season eight premiere, new season on Peacock. They are down one islander, already getting kicked out the villa. Nobody wants that while you're on the show roads that happened to her before she even got to the show.
00:15:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, think about it.
00:15:51
Speaker 2: She's all excited, her names out there, promotion, promotional videos out there everywhere, her face. I mean, there are think about how many stars are created by these series. I mean, this is an opportunity of a lifetime to kickstart whatever it is you want to do next.
00:16:07
Speaker 1: Most of them don't last, right, they get their moment.
00:16:10
Speaker 3: But yeah, you have the opportunity.
00:16:13
Speaker 2: Uh Ohlandria just got on the cover of Sports Illustrated. So look, there are careers that are made from these shows. This is a big deal and a huge opportunity to be on a show like this.
00:16:23
Speaker 1: And here is you know what, robes. I didn't think about this, but we robes. This is Fiji. They're there. I'm not sure how long they've been there, robes. When did she find out about this? Because they take their phones, these folks have no access to the outside world. It's possible she was snatched out of there having no idea what was going on, and that all this controversy is surrounding here.
00:16:51
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure that's exactly what Those who were pulled last year literally explained that exact scenario.
00:16:57
Speaker 3: They had no idea.
00:16:59
Speaker 2: They don't have their phones, they're not connected to the outside world.
00:17:02
Speaker 3: They have no idea what people are saying.
00:17:04
Speaker 1: The world has been talking about her, and she has no idea. Robes. Does she know that, man, this is I mean, this has been going on for months as the vetting goes. Does she forget about these videos? So she hopes they would.
00:17:15
Speaker 2: Never probably thought the way I saw it described was it was on a small circle of friends years ago, and so she probably didn't think this video and maybe didn't even realize maybe it was so long ago. But I mean, you'd have to think no one in my tight circle would send this to someone. But you know, someone always tells someone, and that someone always tells someone, and then eventually this stuff gets out.
00:17:38
Speaker 1: Somebody couldn't wait to go, I'm gonna get Ooh, I got something good. Somebody couldn't wait. Yeah, all right, Well, I love Island. They've been doing this the past couple seasons. Robes. They've had to put out statements. I think some other shows have done it too. But look, people has a rabbit fan following, and people get passionate about who they want to be on the show kicked off who they want to hook up and who their favorite people are and roses.
00:17:59
Speaker 2: It gets ugly line, yeah, because actually you start voting for Islanders, so the public gets to weigh in on who stays and who goes. And this is all happening in real time. I think that's part of the excitement of the show is it's being I believe it's a pretty remarkable set up what they do. They have so many cameras rolling, and they are their editing teams have to be remarkable because they recorded and the next day it airs, so this is in real time. So yes, they put out this post. The villa runs on good vibes, and so does this community. We love seeing your reactions, opinions and debates. But everyone deserves to feel safe and respected. This is a space for fun, not negativity. So keep it kind, keep it positive, and remember this is Love Island.
00:18:45
Speaker 1: Okay, so I only started. I only did this when you were reading that. They posted that on Twitter and the other places, and obviously the responses to that people immediately well, I'm getting a little nervous because I don't want to read I might get caught. I want to preview because some of them could be a little nasty, real human beings, different person I was trapped together for entertainment. Things are going to get messy.
00:19:15
Speaker 3: I mean people are here for the drama.
00:19:17
Speaker 2: I mean that's just the all you've done to see love and I love love, but people are there for the drama as well.
00:19:23
Speaker 1: All you do is platform racist ass people. So it as long as you don't make it Maga Island. So we can say this all day long. But the responses to them, saying please be nice are not nice, correct.
00:19:37
Speaker 2: I mean, look, the worst thing you can do is tell somebody to behave They're going to probably do the exact opposite of what you.
00:19:43
Speaker 1: Asked them to do till somebody calmed down.
00:19:46
Speaker 3: That would be the worst thing ever. Never tell someone to calm down.
00:19:50
Speaker 1: What do you think? Is it working? Some want to be critical of Wait, how could this even happen? But I took this as a whole. The betting is working and they're making.
00:19:57
Speaker 3: So that's me too.
00:19:59
Speaker 2: I feel like that's exactly I have appreciated how Love Island has handled this for the last two seasons. I think they've been very transparent. I think that there's no such thing as a perfect vetting process. You can do your best, but look, it does usually take you. You've pissed one person off, or you've got something out there, it almost certainly is going to surface. I just feel like in politics and reality shows now and pretty much for everyone or anyone, you usually if there is something incriminating out there, it will be found these days.
00:20:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've seen several of these and several shows things pop up about backgrounds and all videos, and so this will continue to happen. I think this and roades. I don't need them to address it on the show. If the show starts on Tuesday and they never even mentioned there is a new person, I assume they're adding a twelve they have to write.
00:20:46
Speaker 2: I would think at this point, like a jury selection, they might have alternate jurors, So maybe they can call up an alternate contestant.
00:20:54
Speaker 1: You're probably right on Fiji standing by somewhere. That's a very good These are our alternates, just stuff right in.
00:21:04
Speaker 3: So maybe they'll on.
00:21:05
Speaker 2: I mean, we'll see, maybe on Monday they'll announce a new contestant, or maybe they'll go on with eleven.
00:21:09
Speaker 3: But I don't know. They bring in, but.
00:21:11
Speaker 1: They got to match them up some kind of way. Don't they.
00:21:13
Speaker 3: Yes, And they do bring in people.
00:21:15
Speaker 2: You recall, the whole part of the show is throughout the show they bring in new people to kind of shake things up, because how boring would that be if everybody just coupled up. No, you got to bring in temptresses and tempters and all this stuff.
00:21:28
Speaker 3: So they have people.
00:21:30
Speaker 2: We're going to be playing other roles. Maybe now they're going to take one of those folks and give them a main cast role.
00:21:36
Speaker 1: Isn't that great? Somebody is now? It's weird how the world works. Somebody now is going to get a wonderful opportunity. Maybe that young lady ends up winning the show and it becomes something else because someone a few years ago said the inWORD. Yep, right, It's just weird how things work out. I just had this question, what happens if they see a video of a black contestant saying the inWORD.
00:21:52
Speaker 2: I feel like you're the only one who can answer that. Is that offensive? Is that wrong?
00:21:56
Speaker 3: Is that something that should be punished?
00:21:58
Speaker 1: I would like to see them try. I would love to see them try that. A room full of overwhelmingly white executives making a determination that a black person is not allowed to say that. Now. I would love to hear that argument. But Robes, what should be? What should that standard be? I'm just so curious.
00:22:17
Speaker 2: I'm not Yeah, I don't think a room full of white people should set that standard, I guess is my point.
00:22:22
Speaker 1: But are you going to get accused of some double standard or why can these say to right? It? Would? I would love to have that discussion. I would love it for them to try to kick a black person off the show for using that word that they determine as a racial slur, which it is used in what context and by whom?
00:22:42
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this, if you were in that room, what would you say to those white executives who were deciding, hell, what should we do?
00:22:49
Speaker 3: What would you say to them?
00:22:50
Speaker 1: We at absolutely not one hundred percent. My next thing is how do we handle that discussion as a show. As a you have a huge platform. Move us forward, take the opportunity to do something like that. You move us forward with a discussion about the in word. I would love it. Nobody's gonna touch that. Nobody wants to, but Robes, I.
00:23:08
Speaker 3: Would love to.
00:23:09
Speaker 1: I would love to have that discussion. But I was that came up to me just curious. If you see one of the black contestants rapping saying to one of his boys called him the in word, one of the black women on the show saying it to a friend of hers, or rapping or whatever else, are they going to say, Nope, we stand by nobody should be able to use that word. Okay, I don't think they would do that, You don't, I don't think they.
00:23:33
Speaker 2: If they've consulted anyone who doesn't look like them, they wouldn't.
00:23:38
Speaker 1: What are they going to say? We get an overwhelming backlash from the white community that's upset that black people use the in word.
00:23:44
Speaker 2: Therefore, okay, ok right, when you put it like that, I was just curious when you put it like that, you're correct. All right, Well, hey, we will be watching. We hope you will too. Like we said, we have watch parties ready. I we'll certainly be posting about Love Island. So if you love the show, please check out our feet we will be following along with you. And with that, everyone, thank you so much for joining us. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ.
00:24:06
Speaker 3: Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.
Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Sunday, May thirty first, and the season hasn't even kicked off yet, but already an islander has been kicked out of the villa and for a reason that should sound pretty familiar. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Roabes. The show kicks off on Tuesdays, supposed to half twelve islanders in there one of them. How are you gonna get kicked out.
00:00:26
Speaker 2: Of the villa before the show even starts, right, And here we go again. At least this time we didn't get to know her and see her and then have her poof just disappear, because that's what's happened in previous seasons. But yes, another island has been kicked. Islander has been kicked off the show before we even get to the premiere, which is Tuesday, which, by the way, we're very excited about in this house because of old social media posts that have just recently resurfaced.
00:00:58
Speaker 1: And this is the second year in a row, folks, that this has happened. An islander on the hit Peacock show Love Island has been kicked out because old posts have shown up in which she was using the n word again, back to back years. This has happened. The show kicks off on Tuesday again, Robes, this is this is a record setting streaming juggernaut for Peacock. This is the eighth season. It's a hit. People look forward to it like crazy. We literally have watch parties set up here for it already. But the young lady's name we're talking about is Basana Montgomery and Robes, she along with eleven others, were just announced three days ago as the new cast.
00:01:43
Speaker 2: Yes, this is a big deal. And the fact that they're able to roll this out. It premieres June second, three days that's all it took. And man, you've got I don't know if it's Internet sleuth's friends who you've disgruntled friends, because apparently these videos were shared on a private social media where you just kind of have a my daughters call it Finsta. We have friends and Instagram, so it's not necessarily a widely public release of a video. Maybe there it was in a smaller, tighter circle. So yeah, somehow these two videos got out and she clearly says the end word.
00:02:21
Speaker 1: So if we on that point at least, Roe, So, how is the vetting a problem. Well, you know, Robes, this has happened too many times on too many shows in to where they's just have egg on their face, and you know, their vetting is pretty extensive, and I can't imagine they knew about this and said let's go ahead and roll the dilute. So we're pretty sure that these videos are just coming to light, and the reason being Robes, no one knew to put it out there. Nobody cared maybe until the cast was announced, and then maybe some people in her circle said, oh wait a minute, I have this, and then that's why it became relevant. Robes, I give them credit. What else can you do? The hell with it? Kick them out, be transparent. Let's do this before the show starts.
00:03:06
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I think they're probably saying, thank god we found out before it show starts, because the worst case scenario is she becomes an integral cast member where people are rooting for her or feeling something about her, and all of a sudden she just disappears, which is exactly what they had to do last year, and that's a lot more messy. At least, get this done before the show even begins. We can focus on actually just the entertainment value and enjoying the show and rooting for the people we like and all of that without any of this ugliness. Hopefully they can put this to bed, but still we have to talk about what they found, and it is concerning. And look, she's twenty five, and I don't know how old these videos are. Did they even make a point to say if this was a year ago, this was two years ago?
00:03:51
Speaker 3: Unclear how how old?
00:03:52
Speaker 1: She looks pretty young in one of else, was like, you look a kid in one of them, she does, you look like a teenager and one of them, but that's no excuse. But who knows how old they are? But it doesn't seem like it was something that was in recent months or even years.
00:04:04
Speaker 2: Possible, Yes, and this just goes to show kids think that they're being funny or cool or whatever reason she had for doing what she did and saying what she said.
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Speaker 3: But just kids are so stupid.
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Speaker 2: And these videos exist, they don't go away, they don't disappear, and to put something out there like that, yeah, you have to face the consequences for it.
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Speaker 1: And seeing her pictures robes. I don't know what her background, ethnicity, I don't know that part of it, but I look at her, and she does not look like a woman who has earned the right through births to say the in word at any point what I'm saying. And she looks like a white woman exactly. So don't know exactly what her background is, but this is the point of where we are and what we're doing. She's twenty five years old. They say she's a or she's labeled as a business owner of some kind from Beaverton, Oregon. But the videos we're talking about, they're two and they're pretty short. One of them she's in a car wrapping. The other one she's playing video games with her friends. It looked in that one, did it look like they were out like a public place, like a big yeah, like even a Dave in Busters. I don't want to throw their name in there, like they're associated with this.
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Speaker 3: It was like an arcade.
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Speaker 1: There you go. That's what I'm looking for.
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Speaker 3: It was in the arcade.
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Speaker 2: And yes, there's a video game and she shouts out the N word.
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Speaker 1: So I don't know why and what she's doing. But there are people around, friends around, they're laughing and having a good old time.
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Speaker 3: Well that's perhaps the most disturbing part of it.
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Speaker 2: It's not like in the second video she's singing along with rap lyrics, which is still I get it, not okay, then posting that online or posting that to her social media.
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Speaker 3: But the first one, she she shouts out the word oh.
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Speaker 1: You hear clearly in both of them, and while she says it knock knock inWORD, why does she say that while playing video game with friends? Knock knock in word? She shouts that out. The other one, she's rapping along to a song and the lyric is Weddy's inwards at where these in words at? And she shouts it happily rapping in the video in the car she's in the passenger seats on that one robes what's the reaction supposed to be? And looking at that, it always makes me uncomfortable, unnerved when I see somebody outside of black folks using that word. It just it just is I look at it this and I go, you idiot, I'm sorry, I'm not, please please please, I'm not. I don't know, Miss Montgomery. What I'm saying is I look a lot of times at young kids outside of our community, and hip hop culture has an outside influence on pop culture and all this music, and all hip hop is cool no matter what. Black culture is the coolest culture. Everybody wants a part of it, period, including a bunch of white kids in the suburbs who are now consuming all of this hip hop where every fifteenth word is the N word. So they having a good old time singing along, rapping along and think it's fine and really robes in some bit of their defense. They got no idea of history. They don't know what the hell they're saying and why, and what it means and how offensive and everything else. So that's what I saw, at least in that video of her wrapping in the car.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and thank you for that perspective, one that only someone who is black, who understands what that word means and is can actually say that. And I think you hit it though, Like it didn't appear as though she was saying it in a negative, hurling, an insult kind of a way. She was trying to be cool, let's be honest. That's what it looked.
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Speaker 3: Like to me. She was thinking she was cool.
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Speaker 2: She was trying to be cool, and so she says the word to feel cool and that's still not okay. But it didn't appear to be hurled at a in a mean spirited way.
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Speaker 1: This is the other part of it that disturbs me most. This was not the first or second or third time she'd used that word rogues. This is in her vocabulary. It is a regular part of her vocabulary. The knock knock inward just hanging out. She's throwing it around as if she's talking to her people like just it's now that one those two and that that is my biggest part road. This is a part of her yes vocabulary.
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Speaker 3: I would argue it almost felt like cultural appropriation.
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Speaker 2: I know that that's a phrase a lot of people use, but it's almost like this wanting to be a part of the cool factor of black people, but never ever having to experience all of the unbelievable negative part that comes with being black.
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Speaker 3: That's the whole point.
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Speaker 1: She's and folks like this, and I don't know, if you've got kids out there in the stage and listen to this music, they don't realize write what they're doing. They don't mean harm, but the fact that they don't realize they're doing harm is the most harmful part. As crazy as that is, you don't even realize what you're doing and do not at all try to sanitize this word in some ways. Ahes just in music. Anybody can see it now they say it, so we can say it or you I'm should the damn builder, and I can say the in word. Freedom of speech, don't do that. This is this is one we are not going to compromise on. And ever say yeah, anybody can say the in word. She feels whatever reason, she's in that camp and belonged in that camp, and rose it's hard. You know me, I don't know this woman. So I'm not giving any judgment on her character at all, but just looking at this, she seems to be robes in a camp that a lot been a lot of suburban white kids are in right now, yep.
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Speaker 2: And so look, if anything, get having her kicked off for this and people seeing the videos, maybe that will raise awareness, Hey, this is not okay. This is not acceptable behavior, and here's why. And maybe if that come more of that conversation, it can land on some folks to say, oh, yeah, right, I was born in a much different situation. I'm treated differently period because of how I look, and therefore I don't get to just hang with and act as if I'm one of them and I get to say what they say because they're cooler than me, they got better music than me, So let me just jump on that train.
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Speaker 3: Like, you don't get to do that, perupt.
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Speaker 1: If you don't understand why you shouldn't say the in word, and you shouldn't be a part of this discussion. We don't have to go into anything history, we don't have yay, we don't have to go into anything. This is off limits. This word is off limits. There are some words I will never ever utter because I am not in that community. I am not show recently and a drag ring yelled the F word in my face wanted me to repeat it.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you remember that and you were like, come on, bro, absolutely I think that.
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Speaker 1: Was my response, Come on, like that was supposed to be fun and Joe, it's not. Okay, I get it. I'm not fighting for the right to use the F word. Why do you so desperately want to say the N word? Skip it in the song, use the non explicit version on Spotify. You got to why are you desperate to say this? And yeah, ropes, here we go again. Now she's a little different from the lady last year Ulyssa Escoba, she was on for a one show, one show and then disappeared, but she was a prolific in word user as well.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she uttered the N word repeatedly, I believe is how it's been described. And even though when she left and it was just like Ulyssa has left the building, and then she was never mentioned again on the show.
00:11:26
Speaker 3: So if you just watched the.
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Speaker 2: Show, she just literally disappeared without any EXPONENTI they worried about her, but obviously behind the scenes. Yes, it was released and she did have a statement. She issued an apology, but there have been notes I was reading. Deadline just wrote an article saying she has since now gone on social media downplaying the severity of what she did, defending what she did, saying it's not that big of a deal. So even though she initially uttered an apology, she's backtracked that a little bit by saying whatever.
00:11:57
Speaker 1: Because she talked to all of her black friends who told her it's not a big deal.
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Speaker 2: She dates black men's she's not a racist. So yeah, and I do think that there is a lot of that thought, like, well, obviously I love black people. Obviously I like black people, so it's not that big of a deal. I'm not a racist, So that that's a problem, bro.
00:12:16
Speaker 1: If that flies in the face, if people are in her age range actually trying to find a defense for saying that. Now, is she going to look at me in my face and call me the IN word? And if you're not going to do that, then you know there's a problem. So don't talk to me about it's okay to use this word. If you don't think it's okay to look me in my face as a non black person, you are and call me the inWORD. If you're cool with that, let's talk. But defend that. Come on, man, you can't use it it just colloquially because it's a part of a song, or call somebody that who is not in your community. You can't do it. Why do white folks want this? We got one thing on y'all, one thing that y'all can't do that we can the N word. Just let us have this one. I mean, we only took it from y'all anyway, becuse y'all will call on those this. Let us have it back, and let's just call it a day. Why do folks desperately want to say the inward.
00:13:13
Speaker 3: They want to be cool, like, why that ain't stop?
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Speaker 1: Oh man, you know what this is? It really just a matter of that. It is y'all got one thing we can't have. That's freedom of speech, folks. No, that's what gets thrown at us. They so upset about this one thing. Hey yea Lissa, Oh you listen? What was the other one?
00:13:31
Speaker 3: Her name is Sierra or Tega?
00:13:33
Speaker 1: How many? How deep did she get into the show?
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Speaker 2: It was a couple episodes in I can look and find out exactly how many episodes. But she was there for a while and her issue she was caught at least it was released. These things get leaked because people are desperate to take people down. But she had done like she was doing her makeup to social media, to TikTok whatever, and she was she used an Asian slur describing her eyes, like how her eyes looked, And she says she didn't realize it was a slur. I guess that's obviously not a defense. So she was still kicked off the show because of that. And that so they had two incidents last year of women contestants found to have made racial slurs and put them on camera and posted them for plenty of people to see.
00:14:25
Speaker 1: Yes, this is I know, I mean, give the warnings to you kids now. Something they do at sixteen, seventeen, eighteen nineteen, right now could cost them an opportunity six years from now. And that's just the truth of the matter. So this is something words slurs language. How we treat each other and how the audience gets engaged when it comes to Love Island has been something that the show has spent time trying to combat. So stay here. We'll give you a reminder as they gave us a reminder of the behavior they're asking people to please keep in check. Also a couple of other things we'll hit on here, a couple of things that got us talking, including ropes in particular, what do we do now with reality TV and stars now that they are under non stop scrutiny before, during, and then after these shows air. Stay here we continue here on this Sunday, May thirty first, just a couple of days away from the big Love Island Season eight premiere, new season on Peacock. They are down one islander, already getting kicked out the villa. Nobody wants that while you're on the show roads that happened to her before she even got to the show.
00:15:50
Speaker 3: Yeah, think about it.
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Speaker 2: She's all excited, her names out there, promotion, promotional videos out there everywhere, her face. I mean, there are think about how many stars are created by these series. I mean, this is an opportunity of a lifetime to kickstart whatever it is you want to do next.
00:16:07
Speaker 1: Most of them don't last, right, they get their moment.
00:16:10
Speaker 3: But yeah, you have the opportunity.
00:16:13
Speaker 2: Uh Ohlandria just got on the cover of Sports Illustrated. So look, there are careers that are made from these shows. This is a big deal and a huge opportunity to be on a show like this.
00:16:23
Speaker 1: And here is you know what, robes. I didn't think about this, but we robes. This is Fiji. They're there. I'm not sure how long they've been there, robes. When did she find out about this? Because they take their phones, these folks have no access to the outside world. It's possible she was snatched out of there having no idea what was going on, and that all this controversy is surrounding here.
00:16:51
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure that's exactly what Those who were pulled last year literally explained that exact scenario.
00:16:57
Speaker 3: They had no idea.
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Speaker 2: They don't have their phones, they're not connected to the outside world.
00:17:02
Speaker 3: They have no idea what people are saying.
00:17:04
Speaker 1: The world has been talking about her, and she has no idea. Robes. Does she know that, man, this is I mean, this has been going on for months as the vetting goes. Does she forget about these videos? So she hopes they would.
00:17:15
Speaker 2: Never probably thought the way I saw it described was it was on a small circle of friends years ago, and so she probably didn't think this video and maybe didn't even realize maybe it was so long ago. But I mean, you'd have to think no one in my tight circle would send this to someone. But you know, someone always tells someone, and that someone always tells someone, and then eventually this stuff gets out.
00:17:38
Speaker 1: Somebody couldn't wait to go, I'm gonna get Ooh, I got something good. Somebody couldn't wait. Yeah, all right, Well, I love Island. They've been doing this the past couple seasons. Robes. They've had to put out statements. I think some other shows have done it too. But look, people has a rabbit fan following, and people get passionate about who they want to be on the show kicked off who they want to hook up and who their favorite people are and roses.
00:17:59
Speaker 2: It gets ugly line, yeah, because actually you start voting for Islanders, so the public gets to weigh in on who stays and who goes. And this is all happening in real time. I think that's part of the excitement of the show is it's being I believe it's a pretty remarkable set up what they do. They have so many cameras rolling, and they are their editing teams have to be remarkable because they recorded and the next day it airs, so this is in real time. So yes, they put out this post. The villa runs on good vibes, and so does this community. We love seeing your reactions, opinions and debates. But everyone deserves to feel safe and respected. This is a space for fun, not negativity. So keep it kind, keep it positive, and remember this is Love Island.
00:18:45
Speaker 1: Okay, so I only started. I only did this when you were reading that. They posted that on Twitter and the other places, and obviously the responses to that people immediately well, I'm getting a little nervous because I don't want to read I might get caught. I want to preview because some of them could be a little nasty, real human beings, different person I was trapped together for entertainment. Things are going to get messy.
00:19:15
Speaker 3: I mean people are here for the drama.
00:19:17
Speaker 2: I mean that's just the all you've done to see love and I love love, but people are there for the drama as well.
00:19:23
Speaker 1: All you do is platform racist ass people. So it as long as you don't make it Maga Island. So we can say this all day long. But the responses to them, saying please be nice are not nice, correct.
00:19:37
Speaker 2: I mean, look, the worst thing you can do is tell somebody to behave They're going to probably do the exact opposite of what you.
00:19:43
Speaker 1: Asked them to do till somebody calmed down.
00:19:46
Speaker 3: That would be the worst thing ever. Never tell someone to calm down.
00:19:50
Speaker 1: What do you think? Is it working? Some want to be critical of Wait, how could this even happen? But I took this as a whole. The betting is working and they're making.
00:19:57
Speaker 3: So that's me too.
00:19:59
Speaker 2: I feel like that's exactly I have appreciated how Love Island has handled this for the last two seasons. I think they've been very transparent. I think that there's no such thing as a perfect vetting process. You can do your best, but look, it does usually take you. You've pissed one person off, or you've got something out there, it almost certainly is going to surface. I just feel like in politics and reality shows now and pretty much for everyone or anyone, you usually if there is something incriminating out there, it will be found these days.
00:20:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we've seen several of these and several shows things pop up about backgrounds and all videos, and so this will continue to happen. I think this and roades. I don't need them to address it on the show. If the show starts on Tuesday and they never even mentioned there is a new person, I assume they're adding a twelve they have to write.
00:20:46
Speaker 2: I would think at this point, like a jury selection, they might have alternate jurors, So maybe they can call up an alternate contestant.
00:20:54
Speaker 1: You're probably right on Fiji standing by somewhere. That's a very good These are our alternates, just stuff right in.
00:21:04
Speaker 3: So maybe they'll on.
00:21:05
Speaker 2: I mean, we'll see, maybe on Monday they'll announce a new contestant, or maybe they'll go on with eleven.
00:21:09
Speaker 3: But I don't know. They bring in, but.
00:21:11
Speaker 1: They got to match them up some kind of way. Don't they.
00:21:13
Speaker 3: Yes, And they do bring in people.
00:21:15
Speaker 2: You recall, the whole part of the show is throughout the show they bring in new people to kind of shake things up, because how boring would that be if everybody just coupled up. No, you got to bring in temptresses and tempters and all this stuff.
00:21:28
Speaker 3: So they have people.
00:21:30
Speaker 2: We're going to be playing other roles. Maybe now they're going to take one of those folks and give them a main cast role.
00:21:36
Speaker 1: Isn't that great? Somebody is now? It's weird how the world works. Somebody now is going to get a wonderful opportunity. Maybe that young lady ends up winning the show and it becomes something else because someone a few years ago said the inWORD. Yep, right, It's just weird how things work out. I just had this question, what happens if they see a video of a black contestant saying the inWORD.
00:21:52
Speaker 2: I feel like you're the only one who can answer that. Is that offensive? Is that wrong?
00:21:56
Speaker 3: Is that something that should be punished?
00:21:58
Speaker 1: I would like to see them try. I would love to see them try that. A room full of overwhelmingly white executives making a determination that a black person is not allowed to say that. Now. I would love to hear that argument. But Robes, what should be? What should that standard be? I'm just so curious.
00:22:17
Speaker 2: I'm not Yeah, I don't think a room full of white people should set that standard, I guess is my point.
00:22:22
Speaker 1: But are you going to get accused of some double standard or why can these say to right? It? Would? I would love to have that discussion. I would love it for them to try to kick a black person off the show for using that word that they determine as a racial slur, which it is used in what context and by whom?
00:22:42
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you this, if you were in that room, what would you say to those white executives who were deciding, hell, what should we do?
00:22:49
Speaker 3: What would you say to them?
00:22:50
Speaker 1: We at absolutely not one hundred percent. My next thing is how do we handle that discussion as a show. As a you have a huge platform. Move us forward, take the opportunity to do something like that. You move us forward with a discussion about the in word. I would love it. Nobody's gonna touch that. Nobody wants to, but Robes, I.
00:23:08
Speaker 3: Would love to.
00:23:09
Speaker 1: I would love to have that discussion. But I was that came up to me just curious. If you see one of the black contestants rapping saying to one of his boys called him the in word, one of the black women on the show saying it to a friend of hers, or rapping or whatever else, are they going to say, Nope, we stand by nobody should be able to use that word. Okay, I don't think they would do that, You don't, I don't think they.
00:23:33
Speaker 2: If they've consulted anyone who doesn't look like them, they wouldn't.
00:23:38
Speaker 1: What are they going to say? We get an overwhelming backlash from the white community that's upset that black people use the in word.
00:23:44
Speaker 2: Therefore, okay, ok right, when you put it like that, I was just curious when you put it like that, you're correct. All right, Well, hey, we will be watching. We hope you will too. Like we said, we have watch parties ready. I we'll certainly be posting about Love Island. So if you love the show, please check out our feet we will be following along with you. And with that, everyone, thank you so much for joining us. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ.
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Speaker 3: Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.