Sept. 11, 2025
"We’re Scared to Death." Fear and Fallout after Charlie Kirk Killing.
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00:00:01
Speaker 1: Hey, they're folks. It is Thursday, September eleventh. Classes are being canceled, campuses are on lockdown, Members of Congress are canceling their events, and people are losing their jobs. It's all a part of the fallout and fear after the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. In Robes. It feels like we are on edge right now.
00:00:29
Speaker 2: It almost feels like we're in a free fall because look, this day historically has always been a day where Americans have been on edge for the past twenty plus years. But to have had the political assassination, a massive man hunt underway, a gunman has been on the loose now for more than twenty four hours, and people are scared, and they're uncertain, and they're unsure, and I think they don't know who to trust, and they don't know how safe they really are, whether you're at a college campus, or you're a member of Congress, or you're anyone at this point, and.
00:01:09
Speaker 1: To your you make a good point, we should say, as of this recording and Robes is an important point. Adding to the uncertainty, the mystery, and the unease we seem to all have right now. Is because we were expecting some information this afternoon and we didn't get it and we don't know when we're going to get it. And they're telling us is because this is a fast moving investigation.
00:01:29
Speaker 2: Yes, they say, there have been rapid developments and that's why they were not able. Authorities were not able to give the information with the schedule of press conference as it was intended to I believe it was had been scheduled for two forty five Eastern time. So we're all, yeah, waiting, what is happening? What is going on? Is anyone at risk?
00:01:52
Speaker 1: They keep telling us no, this was targeted and they do not believe that anyone else is at risk, but they did. You have seen the picture right now. But they're asking for help in the investigation. We will continue to come on and update when those updates do come to us from authorities. We are waiting for another one today, but we want to hop on here now because Robes fallout is now happening. We know about we talked about Matthew dal Of, the political analyst at MSNBC said something on the air suggested it sounded like he was suggesting that Charlie Kirk brought her on hisself to a certain degree by some of the rhetoric he was using. He was fired. He did apologize. But you're seeing things pop up here and there around the country of other people losing jobs because they're putting things out there publicly, almost celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.
00:02:43
Speaker 2: Look, and it's one thing if you see kids doing it on TikTok who have almost no repercussions. In fact, they're probably just solidifying political viewpoints of their friends and so. But that can be mean spirited and terrible. But when you're an adult who has an official job somewhere, you can't be saying things like some folks are saying. Charlie rock pr with the Carolina Panthers, he's gone. He's out of a job.
00:03:10
Speaker 1: It's a job because he put out a message saying why y'all mad? Hey, why y'all mad?
00:03:17
Speaker 2: And just tone deaf is what that is. At the very least he is.
00:03:21
Speaker 1: But think of what he represents. He is an employee of a very important organization in that state and in a very important league. You just you're representing something greater than yourself. It's tough sometimes to get people to remember that. And then Middle Tennessee State has an assistant dean who's also out of a job today putting out a post saying zero sympathy.
00:03:45
Speaker 2: Sympathy. I just I'm I'm confused why adults feel the need to weigh in and almost well not almost, and be snarky about a tragedy. I don't care where you in the political spectrum. When you make anything that seems flippant or just callous in any way regarding someone being targeted and killed for their beliefs, I don't see how you can justify that in any position, in any job as an adult. I'm amazed that these folks felt like they could say those things and stay employed.
00:04:29
Speaker 1: Two things on that point to consider. One, you would think to yourself, wow, even if you do think these things, you should never ever say it out loud in public or put it on social media. But then the next part of that robes I think, is should you even think this in private? If anyone out there asked yourself, when you heard about this young man's death, what was your personal reaction to it? Nobody else ever going to hear or know about, But how did you react, Were you dismissive? Were you sympathetic? Did you see him as a husband and a father or did you see him as a soldier of Donald Trump? And therefore blank like life? I want just how did people genu have to ask ourselves these questions? This was a young man period, who's a husband and a father? Yes, let's if we can't have sympathy just right there before we get into anything else. Are you sympathetic to that?
00:05:31
Speaker 2: And I would also say, and I've had these conversations with my daughters just because you disagree with someone politically and they may say awful things in your opinion, and terrible things that are hurtful to our country or hurtful to whatever cause you have. If do you think that you should be held at that same standard? If you say something something that you believe, should you then be targeted? Should you then be the recipient of hate? Should you then feel for your life because you said something that that pissed somebody else off? I mean, you just have to you have to recall or at least put yourself in that person. I would never say those things. You have no idea what you say that can upset someone else? And just because your beliefs seem reasonable to you and justifiable to you, doesn't mean they are to other people. So I just I don't think we again, we keep talking to this, but we don't humanize one another, and we don't give other people the same respect we want people to give us.
00:06:33
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry, and keeping my eye on the TV over here in fast moving developments and again, robes we were hopping on here. Yes, that's one thing. We see some of the fall out here. We talk about the fear. What in God's name is happening on college campuses? Now, we went through the first week, week and a half of kids getting back to college campuses all around the country with these hoaxes, right, these right false alarms, these alerts calling in. They had some shutdowns and this and that it was never any thing found. But today alone now specific robes, not just any colleges, specifically HBCUs around the country have been in lockdown at various points.
00:07:15
Speaker 2: It's disgusting. It's disgusting. So on a day where we're all already on edge, historically, on a day following a political assassination, where we don't have a lot of answers, now you have students on college campuses across this country, targeting specifically black students at Alabama State, Virginia State, Hampton University, Southern University, Clark, Atlanta, Bethune, Cookman. That is like at the same time, correct, all around the same time. They all receive hopes, their hoaxes because they've they've allowed at least they've they've lifted some of the lockdowns, but the damage is done. The fear has been instilled. There are reports of students crying, running, fearing for their lives. Think about what happened in Colorado yesterday with the high school. So you hear these hoaxes, but there was a real campus shooting yesterday. There was a real political assassination on a college campus yesterday. So this is very real to these students who get these alerts, take cover, hide, shelter in place. These are just terrifying times.
00:08:27
Speaker 1: Some of these schools have gone ahead and council classes for today and tomorrow. So this is disrupting education as well. You I was as you were talking about as being on edge it You remember the September eleventh and adversaries of old, Yes, where we used to fear terrorists. Yes, we used to fear some foreign actor coming in and doing us harm. What are we scared to death to do now? Go to a crowd, go to a movie, go to a mall, go to school, go to college campus. We're killing ourselves. We're attacking ourselves. That with September eleventh, and we got students scrambling, we got a guy dead yesterday, all because of what our own internal shit and not because of some foreign It's weird on September eleventh. The thing I'm most scared of today is walking down the streets of New York and that white guy over there or that American over there. I'm not looking for some foreign actor. And it's it's odd that this happens to be the day that we're talking about.
00:09:35
Speaker 2: And what you're talking about is intolerance and possibly mental illness on top of it. But just I don't know to label someone just because they've taken an extreme act doesn't necessarily mean that they're mentally ill. But I'd like to at least think that's possible, because to imagine that intolerance can get so can rise to the level where you actually plan and target an assassination where someone is I don't even know if they think it's funny, but they make these phone calls and create chaos and instill fear and do actual harm to parents, students, faculty. For what, what's the point of it? What's the that's what's so scary? Do people get their kicks out of this? Are people trying to make a point out of it? I don't know.
00:10:27
Speaker 1: There was only one arrest I can remember, right, didn't they arrest one guy associated? Because it's almost impossible to trace these numbers they're using these mixers, and I think maybe, but in all these hoes that we've seen what you're saying there, we may never know who's doing this foolishness.
00:10:43
Speaker 2: And it's really and it's really sad, and it's really disturbing. And no one can tell the difference between a real phone call and a fake phone call, period, So the reactions are the same whether or not there actually is a shooter or it's just a hoax.
00:11:00
Speaker 1: Folks, we talk about people losing jobs, we talk about what's happening on college campuses today, but a lot is happening in Congress, and what happened on the campus in Utah yesterday is prompting a lot of members of Congress to change their plans, and that includes canceling public events.
00:11:30
Speaker 2: Welcome back to this episode of Amy and TJ, where we are talking about the ripple effects of what happened yesterday in Utah, the political assassination of Charlie Kirk, and of course today is nine to eleven as well. So this is a day where we're supposed to actually unite, remember, honor those who fell and those who served and who jumped into action when the worst case scenario happened on that day twenty four four years ago. And instead now because of the events of yesterday, combined with the just the unease of today, we are in. It feels like uncharted territory. So we now have folks being fired for being insensitive and just not understanding the gravity of the political climate we're in right now. We have students and faculty running for their lives at several HBCUs across the country because false or hoax gunmen calls are coming in. It's just a nightmare. And now we have members of Congress, our leaders, our lawmakers, the people we're supposed to turn to in moments like this to calm us, to give us a sense of ease, to let us know that they're going to make sure that we keep America and Americans safe there now, according to several congress men and women and lawmakers, they're scared to death, they're frantic, they're running for cover, they're canceling events, they're changing the way they operate, they're afraid to campaign. That tells you a lot. So there we have names of folks who have absolutely and completely changed what they are doing and how they are going out and meeting members of the public. There are rallies scheduled for the next all canceled.
00:13:22
Speaker 1: I'd be terrified they and again members of Congress go up close and personal in these communities. There is nothing, nothing to stop anyone from getting to them when they go back to their districts. They do not have secret service. And even when you have secret service, as President Trump will tell you, it's no guarantee that a bullet won't whiz by your frickin' ear. So I don't what does this trigger. We were talking about this earlier. I think, right, does this send people on one side? Okay, now we got to go get one of theirs mindset, and you could see that happen if somebody on one side is warped enough to do this, there is one on the other side, correct.
00:14:02
Speaker 2: And so to your point, you've got members of the right and the left very concerned. And it does appear that the folks who have been the most outspoken, who might be the most controversial in Congress, people like AOC, Nancy Mace, they have absolutely come out. Alexandria Acassio Cortes. AOC has postponed two events that were planned for this weekend in North Carolina, including a rally in Raleigh that was supposed to be out in the open in the public. Nancy May's canceled all outdoor in public events for the foreseeable future. She said she had an upcoming speaking gig on a college campus. She's canceled that, and she added this, I'm going to quote Nancy Mace today. She said, I will have a firearm on my person all the time, and I will have security. That's where she's at. Jim Cliburn canceled events in Columbia and Charleston this weekend. There's a congressman from Florida who said he has stopped holding all outdoor events again for the foreseeable future. And he's the one who told reporters not everybody wants to admit this, but he said, this is the bottom line. People are scared to death in this building, referring to the halls of Congress. Damn and Speaker Mike Johnson has told reporters he's been fielding calls all day from lawmakers asking more security, and he said, look, if we gave members of Congress to security they actually want and say they need now in these times, he said, we were talking billions of dollars, and we don't have the money as a nation, as a country to provide the security that we would actually have to to make these members feel safe. We just don't have the finances for it.
00:15:43
Speaker 1: And we shouldn't need them. I mean we shouldn't. I think we do, but I'm just saying we shouldn't. This is within how many years ago are we talking out twenty twenty one and this that these same members of Congress are the same ones who were there for January secon.
00:15:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just thinking about that, right, they.
00:16:02
Speaker 1: Have many of them, and you certainly in the Senate it's not a lot of turnover.
00:16:07
Speaker 2: Most of them were there were.
00:16:10
Speaker 1: There for that And to think now after that event where you literally you think your life is at risk for the job that you hold. This is one I side with them on whatever security they might want to understand the bill, but this is one where this seems like these are the times we're in.
00:16:29
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to be a lawmaker right now, and especially an outspoken one, a controversial one. Look, you know, this is how a lot of these folks get elected because they say controversial things. They say things to rally the base, and those are the exact kind of comments that they're now concerned could get them killed. And I understand that fear. It makes a lot of sense, but I cannot recall in my almost thirty years now, actually it is thirty years as a professional journalist where I have seen this kind of fear among United States lawmakers. I mean, they've lived through a lot, and look, a lot of these people live with daily death threats. This is like commonplace to get death threats when you're a lawmaker when you say things that people don't like or don't agree with. So they're not thin skinned, I guess is what I'm trying to say. This is a real fear based on real events that have been taking place.
00:17:24
Speaker 1: Recent history, that people are following through on some of the hate speech we are seeing in places, they're following it up with action, with deadly action. Now, folks will continue to update you. We do anticipate something from the authorities in Utah today at some point, but they again earlier robes of press conference this afternoon that they said they are delaying. They did not give us an update on time. We have no idea when we will hear from them again, but.
00:17:59
Speaker 2: We will certain stay on top of it and bring you the very latest. But we do thank you for listening to us. And yeah, just you know, I do think in this moment, these types of moments, we need to we need to talk about these things. We need to more talk, less action, more understanding, more empathy, just trying to see the way other people view I just I hope that's the wake up call that we are willing to communicate in a much more open minded way with one another and not be so quick to demonize the other side to the point where we get that angry. There's that kind of hate in the world. Anyway, Okay, thanks for listening to us. I may be Robock alongside TJ. Holmes, stay tuned, we'll i'm sure, be checking in with you very soon.
Speaker 1: Hey, they're folks. It is Thursday, September eleventh. Classes are being canceled, campuses are on lockdown, Members of Congress are canceling their events, and people are losing their jobs. It's all a part of the fallout and fear after the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. In Robes. It feels like we are on edge right now.
00:00:29
Speaker 2: It almost feels like we're in a free fall because look, this day historically has always been a day where Americans have been on edge for the past twenty plus years. But to have had the political assassination, a massive man hunt underway, a gunman has been on the loose now for more than twenty four hours, and people are scared, and they're uncertain, and they're unsure, and I think they don't know who to trust, and they don't know how safe they really are, whether you're at a college campus, or you're a member of Congress, or you're anyone at this point, and.
00:01:09
Speaker 1: To your you make a good point, we should say, as of this recording and Robes is an important point. Adding to the uncertainty, the mystery, and the unease we seem to all have right now. Is because we were expecting some information this afternoon and we didn't get it and we don't know when we're going to get it. And they're telling us is because this is a fast moving investigation.
00:01:29
Speaker 2: Yes, they say, there have been rapid developments and that's why they were not able. Authorities were not able to give the information with the schedule of press conference as it was intended to I believe it was had been scheduled for two forty five Eastern time. So we're all, yeah, waiting, what is happening? What is going on? Is anyone at risk?
00:01:52
Speaker 1: They keep telling us no, this was targeted and they do not believe that anyone else is at risk, but they did. You have seen the picture right now. But they're asking for help in the investigation. We will continue to come on and update when those updates do come to us from authorities. We are waiting for another one today, but we want to hop on here now because Robes fallout is now happening. We know about we talked about Matthew dal Of, the political analyst at MSNBC said something on the air suggested it sounded like he was suggesting that Charlie Kirk brought her on hisself to a certain degree by some of the rhetoric he was using. He was fired. He did apologize. But you're seeing things pop up here and there around the country of other people losing jobs because they're putting things out there publicly, almost celebrating the death of Charlie Kirk.
00:02:43
Speaker 2: Look, and it's one thing if you see kids doing it on TikTok who have almost no repercussions. In fact, they're probably just solidifying political viewpoints of their friends and so. But that can be mean spirited and terrible. But when you're an adult who has an official job somewhere, you can't be saying things like some folks are saying. Charlie rock pr with the Carolina Panthers, he's gone. He's out of a job.
00:03:10
Speaker 1: It's a job because he put out a message saying why y'all mad? Hey, why y'all mad?
00:03:17
Speaker 2: And just tone deaf is what that is. At the very least he is.
00:03:21
Speaker 1: But think of what he represents. He is an employee of a very important organization in that state and in a very important league. You just you're representing something greater than yourself. It's tough sometimes to get people to remember that. And then Middle Tennessee State has an assistant dean who's also out of a job today putting out a post saying zero sympathy.
00:03:45
Speaker 2: Sympathy. I just I'm I'm confused why adults feel the need to weigh in and almost well not almost, and be snarky about a tragedy. I don't care where you in the political spectrum. When you make anything that seems flippant or just callous in any way regarding someone being targeted and killed for their beliefs, I don't see how you can justify that in any position, in any job as an adult. I'm amazed that these folks felt like they could say those things and stay employed.
00:04:29
Speaker 1: Two things on that point to consider. One, you would think to yourself, wow, even if you do think these things, you should never ever say it out loud in public or put it on social media. But then the next part of that robes I think, is should you even think this in private? If anyone out there asked yourself, when you heard about this young man's death, what was your personal reaction to it? Nobody else ever going to hear or know about, But how did you react, Were you dismissive? Were you sympathetic? Did you see him as a husband and a father or did you see him as a soldier of Donald Trump? And therefore blank like life? I want just how did people genu have to ask ourselves these questions? This was a young man period, who's a husband and a father? Yes, let's if we can't have sympathy just right there before we get into anything else. Are you sympathetic to that?
00:05:31
Speaker 2: And I would also say, and I've had these conversations with my daughters just because you disagree with someone politically and they may say awful things in your opinion, and terrible things that are hurtful to our country or hurtful to whatever cause you have. If do you think that you should be held at that same standard? If you say something something that you believe, should you then be targeted? Should you then be the recipient of hate? Should you then feel for your life because you said something that that pissed somebody else off? I mean, you just have to you have to recall or at least put yourself in that person. I would never say those things. You have no idea what you say that can upset someone else? And just because your beliefs seem reasonable to you and justifiable to you, doesn't mean they are to other people. So I just I don't think we again, we keep talking to this, but we don't humanize one another, and we don't give other people the same respect we want people to give us.
00:06:33
Speaker 1: Well, I'm sorry, and keeping my eye on the TV over here in fast moving developments and again, robes we were hopping on here. Yes, that's one thing. We see some of the fall out here. We talk about the fear. What in God's name is happening on college campuses? Now, we went through the first week, week and a half of kids getting back to college campuses all around the country with these hoaxes, right, these right false alarms, these alerts calling in. They had some shutdowns and this and that it was never any thing found. But today alone now specific robes, not just any colleges, specifically HBCUs around the country have been in lockdown at various points.
00:07:15
Speaker 2: It's disgusting. It's disgusting. So on a day where we're all already on edge, historically, on a day following a political assassination, where we don't have a lot of answers, now you have students on college campuses across this country, targeting specifically black students at Alabama State, Virginia State, Hampton University, Southern University, Clark, Atlanta, Bethune, Cookman. That is like at the same time, correct, all around the same time. They all receive hopes, their hoaxes because they've they've allowed at least they've they've lifted some of the lockdowns, but the damage is done. The fear has been instilled. There are reports of students crying, running, fearing for their lives. Think about what happened in Colorado yesterday with the high school. So you hear these hoaxes, but there was a real campus shooting yesterday. There was a real political assassination on a college campus yesterday. So this is very real to these students who get these alerts, take cover, hide, shelter in place. These are just terrifying times.
00:08:27
Speaker 1: Some of these schools have gone ahead and council classes for today and tomorrow. So this is disrupting education as well. You I was as you were talking about as being on edge it You remember the September eleventh and adversaries of old, Yes, where we used to fear terrorists. Yes, we used to fear some foreign actor coming in and doing us harm. What are we scared to death to do now? Go to a crowd, go to a movie, go to a mall, go to school, go to college campus. We're killing ourselves. We're attacking ourselves. That with September eleventh, and we got students scrambling, we got a guy dead yesterday, all because of what our own internal shit and not because of some foreign It's weird on September eleventh. The thing I'm most scared of today is walking down the streets of New York and that white guy over there or that American over there. I'm not looking for some foreign actor. And it's it's odd that this happens to be the day that we're talking about.
00:09:35
Speaker 2: And what you're talking about is intolerance and possibly mental illness on top of it. But just I don't know to label someone just because they've taken an extreme act doesn't necessarily mean that they're mentally ill. But I'd like to at least think that's possible, because to imagine that intolerance can get so can rise to the level where you actually plan and target an assassination where someone is I don't even know if they think it's funny, but they make these phone calls and create chaos and instill fear and do actual harm to parents, students, faculty. For what, what's the point of it? What's the that's what's so scary? Do people get their kicks out of this? Are people trying to make a point out of it? I don't know.
00:10:27
Speaker 1: There was only one arrest I can remember, right, didn't they arrest one guy associated? Because it's almost impossible to trace these numbers they're using these mixers, and I think maybe, but in all these hoes that we've seen what you're saying there, we may never know who's doing this foolishness.
00:10:43
Speaker 2: And it's really and it's really sad, and it's really disturbing. And no one can tell the difference between a real phone call and a fake phone call, period, So the reactions are the same whether or not there actually is a shooter or it's just a hoax.
00:11:00
Speaker 1: Folks, we talk about people losing jobs, we talk about what's happening on college campuses today, but a lot is happening in Congress, and what happened on the campus in Utah yesterday is prompting a lot of members of Congress to change their plans, and that includes canceling public events.
00:11:30
Speaker 2: Welcome back to this episode of Amy and TJ, where we are talking about the ripple effects of what happened yesterday in Utah, the political assassination of Charlie Kirk, and of course today is nine to eleven as well. So this is a day where we're supposed to actually unite, remember, honor those who fell and those who served and who jumped into action when the worst case scenario happened on that day twenty four four years ago. And instead now because of the events of yesterday, combined with the just the unease of today, we are in. It feels like uncharted territory. So we now have folks being fired for being insensitive and just not understanding the gravity of the political climate we're in right now. We have students and faculty running for their lives at several HBCUs across the country because false or hoax gunmen calls are coming in. It's just a nightmare. And now we have members of Congress, our leaders, our lawmakers, the people we're supposed to turn to in moments like this to calm us, to give us a sense of ease, to let us know that they're going to make sure that we keep America and Americans safe there now, according to several congress men and women and lawmakers, they're scared to death, they're frantic, they're running for cover, they're canceling events, they're changing the way they operate, they're afraid to campaign. That tells you a lot. So there we have names of folks who have absolutely and completely changed what they are doing and how they are going out and meeting members of the public. There are rallies scheduled for the next all canceled.
00:13:22
Speaker 1: I'd be terrified they and again members of Congress go up close and personal in these communities. There is nothing, nothing to stop anyone from getting to them when they go back to their districts. They do not have secret service. And even when you have secret service, as President Trump will tell you, it's no guarantee that a bullet won't whiz by your frickin' ear. So I don't what does this trigger. We were talking about this earlier. I think, right, does this send people on one side? Okay, now we got to go get one of theirs mindset, and you could see that happen if somebody on one side is warped enough to do this, there is one on the other side, correct.
00:14:02
Speaker 2: And so to your point, you've got members of the right and the left very concerned. And it does appear that the folks who have been the most outspoken, who might be the most controversial in Congress, people like AOC, Nancy Mace, they have absolutely come out. Alexandria Acassio Cortes. AOC has postponed two events that were planned for this weekend in North Carolina, including a rally in Raleigh that was supposed to be out in the open in the public. Nancy May's canceled all outdoor in public events for the foreseeable future. She said she had an upcoming speaking gig on a college campus. She's canceled that, and she added this, I'm going to quote Nancy Mace today. She said, I will have a firearm on my person all the time, and I will have security. That's where she's at. Jim Cliburn canceled events in Columbia and Charleston this weekend. There's a congressman from Florida who said he has stopped holding all outdoor events again for the foreseeable future. And he's the one who told reporters not everybody wants to admit this, but he said, this is the bottom line. People are scared to death in this building, referring to the halls of Congress. Damn and Speaker Mike Johnson has told reporters he's been fielding calls all day from lawmakers asking more security, and he said, look, if we gave members of Congress to security they actually want and say they need now in these times, he said, we were talking billions of dollars, and we don't have the money as a nation, as a country to provide the security that we would actually have to to make these members feel safe. We just don't have the finances for it.
00:15:43
Speaker 1: And we shouldn't need them. I mean we shouldn't. I think we do, but I'm just saying we shouldn't. This is within how many years ago are we talking out twenty twenty one and this that these same members of Congress are the same ones who were there for January secon.
00:15:59
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just thinking about that, right, they.
00:16:02
Speaker 1: Have many of them, and you certainly in the Senate it's not a lot of turnover.
00:16:07
Speaker 2: Most of them were there were.
00:16:10
Speaker 1: There for that And to think now after that event where you literally you think your life is at risk for the job that you hold. This is one I side with them on whatever security they might want to understand the bill, but this is one where this seems like these are the times we're in.
00:16:29
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want to be a lawmaker right now, and especially an outspoken one, a controversial one. Look, you know, this is how a lot of these folks get elected because they say controversial things. They say things to rally the base, and those are the exact kind of comments that they're now concerned could get them killed. And I understand that fear. It makes a lot of sense, but I cannot recall in my almost thirty years now, actually it is thirty years as a professional journalist where I have seen this kind of fear among United States lawmakers. I mean, they've lived through a lot, and look, a lot of these people live with daily death threats. This is like commonplace to get death threats when you're a lawmaker when you say things that people don't like or don't agree with. So they're not thin skinned, I guess is what I'm trying to say. This is a real fear based on real events that have been taking place.
00:17:24
Speaker 1: Recent history, that people are following through on some of the hate speech we are seeing in places, they're following it up with action, with deadly action. Now, folks will continue to update you. We do anticipate something from the authorities in Utah today at some point, but they again earlier robes of press conference this afternoon that they said they are delaying. They did not give us an update on time. We have no idea when we will hear from them again, but.
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Speaker 2: We will certain stay on top of it and bring you the very latest. But we do thank you for listening to us. And yeah, just you know, I do think in this moment, these types of moments, we need to we need to talk about these things. We need to more talk, less action, more understanding, more empathy, just trying to see the way other people view I just I hope that's the wake up call that we are willing to communicate in a much more open minded way with one another and not be so quick to demonize the other side to the point where we get that angry. There's that kind of hate in the world. Anyway, Okay, thanks for listening to us. I may be Robock alongside TJ. Holmes, stay tuned, we'll i'm sure, be checking in with you very soon.