June 20, 2026
UPDATE: Body Cam Footage Released Of Officer Fatally Shooting Knicks Dog
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RSS Feed It is difficult to watch an LAPD officer raise his gun and fire four fatal shots at Jameson, a golden saint berdoodle as he bounces towards him, barking. The body cam footage shows how quickly everything unfolded after officers knocked on Marie Marseille’s door, following up on a call regarding a screaming woman. Marseille had been celebrating the Knick’s big win. After watching the video, the outrage has grown, LA’s mayor calling the footage disturbing and tragic, and directed the police department to examine its use of force policy on dogs.
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00:00:02
Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Saturday, June twentieth, and the story sounded bad enough before we saw the police body cam video. We do have that video now of an officer shooting and killing a Nick's jersey wearing dog, and it's bad with that. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Rodes. It sounded bad just when we had the details. It looks much worse now that we have this. Am I wrong in saying that this is worse than I thought? It's kind of what I suspected, but it's worse than I thought.
00:00:36
Speaker 2: Yes, because look when you actually see this dog. His name is Jamison, and also when you learn that he's a Golden Saint berdoodle, and yes he's big, and yes his bark is low because of his I guess his size. He's got like a deep sounding bark. I can understand how maybe that sounded slightly menacing, but.
00:00:59
Speaker 3: You see him and he's barking, but.
00:01:01
Speaker 2: He's bouncing towards the officer. I wouldn't call it charging. I'd call it bouncing.
00:01:07
Speaker 1: Charging is not accurate. It's sorry, you can try to interpret it. And that was the first statement they put out. Robes' dog was not charging No, oh, okay, it was not.
00:01:17
Speaker 3: He was probably gonna lick him to death.
00:01:20
Speaker 1: Robes. Uh, all right, well people know the story by now. New York Knicks first championship that won in fifty three years. Woman lives out in LA she's from New York. Originally, she's celebrating watching the game that night by herself with her dog, who's wearing robes. That's a look that actually extends a level of fandom. She put her dog in a next jersey.
00:01:43
Speaker 2: Yes, and look they were both was she was screaming and actually to get the some of the background and we'll get into what the neighbor had to say. But he heard her, or the neighbor heard her repeatedly screaming, oh my god for twenty minutes. If you think about yeah, she's watching the game. She's screaming, oh my god because the Knicks were winning. So there is her dog, Jamison, with her on the couch, excited watching the next win.
00:02:09
Speaker 1: So this is the story as that came out this week. Ultimately, the officer gets spooked in some way ends up shooting the dog. Now originally rogues the video that was out were from bystanders who are taking pictures in the aftermath. She's on this balcony just on just covering her dead dog. That's all we knew. And the details we will add what the lapd or have it. In the original statement they put out, you have it in front of Okay, this was their original statement again before we saw the body cam video which we have now. But this was the original story, and this is their original statement.
00:02:44
Speaker 2: They said, the officers met with this person reporting who directed officers to the apartment unit. The officers contacted the resident in the apartment unit. While speaking with the resident, a large dog was by her side, barking at the officers. The officers asked her to secure the dog, and the resident closed her door. Momentarily, she reopened the door and the dog exited the apartment. Once outside of the apartment, the dog charged at one of the officers, resulting in an officer involved shooting.
00:03:13
Speaker 1: That was the story we had up until now. So a lot robes has been talked about back and forth, and should we this is a family member. I don't want that. There are some people robes. I understand this is an example of police violent police successive force, absolutely right, Okay, I know it's dogs not a dead human being. This is a family This is a family member. So that's why the story Robes does rise to a level why it should be paid attention to, and we shouldn't dismiss and nobody should just because it's a dog and not a human being. This is an important story. So this is where it leads us. They've been protesting out there, they've been asking for the body cam video and Robes, we just got it. And let me start before we describe it. How does what you've seen in the video mesh with the statement, original statement that laped put out.
00:04:05
Speaker 2: Well, it follows the timeline, it follows what happened. But to say that the dog charged at the officer, I don't think is a fair description.
00:04:17
Speaker 3: And when you hear the audio in addition to.
00:04:20
Speaker 2: The video, and you see the officer who shot the dog, his demeanor, what he says, how quickly he pulled out his gun, and look she's saying you can hear her saying, he's not aggressive, and she's like, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. He's not aggressive, like she was telling them, he's not one of those dogs.
00:04:39
Speaker 1: Okay, So they've been asking for this, demanding really this bodycam video get put out, and now we have it, we're going to take you through here. Now the back and forth, I was debating about putting the audio on and letting you will hear it here, but it's difficult to make out and discern exactly what's going on. But we can walk you through it no problem and get you to understand what was happening here. But they show up that night. I can't remember what time it.
00:05:02
Speaker 3: Was at night, but yeah, it was nine pm because it was late.
00:05:05
Speaker 1: The gamage just tended.
00:05:06
Speaker 3: Yeah, the gamage intended West.
00:05:07
Speaker 1: Coast out there, so not that terribly late. They show up for this call, all right, ro They knock on the door, and we're going to take you through the video here and everywhere you see I have officer that's the shooting officer, and where it says other officer, it's the other guy who didn't do the shooting, got it. And the one who actually knocked on the door, who was closer, who actually seemed to understand that it was just a dog bouncing around and it.
00:05:29
Speaker 2: Was big, correct, it was a big dog bouncing around, was excited and you can actually there's a big difference in demeanor between the officer closest to the door, and the officer who ended up firing because even just watching it and listening to it, I'm sorry, I don't know this officer, but he was rude from the onset and she was soap.
00:05:47
Speaker 1: What do you do? Okay? So at the top of the video that they released, it starts with the officer saying, can you put your dog inside?
00:05:55
Speaker 2: Now?
00:05:55
Speaker 1: Her name is Marie Marseille, all right, Marie Marseille, and you can hear her talking to her dog at that point, she's just saying Jamison, Jamison. The officer says, again, put your dog in. She says, I apologize. Now this is where robes the officer. This became unnecessary and he's hostile. Now, I should say. As soon as they opened the door, she opens the door to answer officers, the dog from the bodycam video sticks its head out.
00:06:21
Speaker 3: Yeah, it looked actually cute, cute and curious. Yeah, that's all.
00:06:26
Speaker 1: This officer pretty much saw the dog at the time.
00:06:29
Speaker 3: That's it.
00:06:29
Speaker 1: Now, when he saw the head, and this is why I'm stopping to mention, you can see his weapon come out.
00:06:34
Speaker 2: He pulled the weapon out immediately after seeing the head of us would you call.
00:06:40
Speaker 3: It a saint is he's a golden Saint berdoodle?
00:06:42
Speaker 1: Okay, he saw a golden Saint berdoodle head and pulled out his gun. Now the dog had barked not that much at that point. Now this takes us to where we are. She says, I apologize, And this when this officer starts getting asked.
00:06:58
Speaker 2: And this is where I think he's at because when you start yelling and shouting and a dog is there protecting his home or at least at the threshold of his own door, yes, you are ramping up energy. So he goes put your dog away, and then he says it really forcefully and loudly, put your dog away like that, and the dog starts barking more because now he's just changed this into something very hostile.
00:07:20
Speaker 1: Mind you, the dog is being yelled at and he has a gun pointed at it at this point. That's an aggressive stance that the dog is in a.
00:07:28
Speaker 2: Record absolutely, and she the entire time, I apologize. Then she says sorry, and then the officer says to himself like that, he drops the F bomb like ef And then the other officer says, that's a big ass dog.
00:07:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, he was kind of amazed and scared. Yeah, but still, any big dog is gonna make you nervous. But he was the one closest to it, did not pull out his weapon.
00:07:51
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just laughed and said that's a big cass dog and just laughed like and you're right.
00:07:56
Speaker 3: He was right there.
00:07:57
Speaker 2: He saw the dog right now, far clearer than the officer who ended up shooting Jameson. He only had like the peripheral sight of this dog and he could hear and again, like I said, the dog's bark was very low, which made him sound menacing. But that's when the officer who shot the dog says, I ain't getting bit by that bro. And then the other officer said, dude, that's a big dog and he's laughing.
00:08:26
Speaker 1: Okay, so yes, at that point where they're saying that rogues, the door had closed and Marie Marseille is putting the dog away, so they're kind of saying this to themselves. Robes that line when the officer who did the shooting said I ain't getting bit by that bro, Like he almost said it, like I dare that dog to come at me. It was all he was scared, and he was a badass and it was his tone there. I just it lit you know what. That sentence helped me understand why he she had shot the dog.
00:08:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he already was in a mindset and that's so said. This was like literally the sweetest big guy who barks.
00:09:03
Speaker 3: You know, I keep thinking of Brody. He barks every now and then. It's hilarious because he's little.
00:09:08
Speaker 1: Baby dogs barking. Babies cry. Yeah, stop getting upset about it. I mean, how many I know dogs bite people. I just we're not covering stories every day of dogs biting and killing police officers. We're not covering those stories. Robes. In that moment, he saw a big dog, he heard a big bark. And as she's putting the dog away, you could hear in his tone say, oh, that's why he shot the dog.
00:09:32
Speaker 3: He's ready to I ain't getting bit by that, bro.
00:09:34
Speaker 1: And he said it in such a way. I said, is he nineteen? Yeah? He sounded like a kid.
00:09:39
Speaker 3: He probably was a kid.
00:09:41
Speaker 1: I ain't getting bit by that bro.
00:09:43
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:09:43
Speaker 1: It was it's like the kids talk of.
00:09:45
Speaker 2: And he's the guy who is being rude, like yelling at her. And it's interesting that that the dog went after him like dogs know they sense energy, and he was aggressive. The officer was aggressive, and dogs can sense that.
00:09:57
Speaker 1: Well, that's funny. He had another officer right in his face, closer, and didn't even look at the other officer.
00:10:02
Speaker 2: Because he knew where the energy in the aggression was coming from.
00:10:05
Speaker 1: The just bounced out, And you said, and folks that don't know when the dog did you know? Actually, no, let's finish here. And then I was talking about the behavior of dogs of the doodle mixes that yes, they are not charging, they're bouncing, they're happy as hell. Okay, well go ahead.
00:10:20
Speaker 3: He was excited, all right.
00:10:23
Speaker 2: He says, I ain't getting bit by that bro dude, that's a big dog. So then the door opens again and the officer says, immediately, is the dog put away? This is when Marie Marsay says, he's not aggressive. Sorry, other officer, it's all good, it's all good. So he actually the guy who was right there, correct, right where the dog was, right at the front door. He's saying it's all good, it's all good. She's saying it's not he's not aggressive. He's not aggressive, and says, I apologize. He and then the other officer says he's just huge, you know what I mean. Like he's kind of explaining to Marie.
00:10:56
Speaker 1: Yes, they're standing right next to each other at the door having this conversation.
00:11:00
Speaker 2: A big dog, and she's like, I'm sorry, he's not aggressive, and he's like, he's just huge, you know what I mean, Like, he is a big dog. So they're kind of laughing. It's the temperature is way down. There is no uh, there's no aggression between the two. There doesn't seem to be any fear from that other officer who is right there where the dog is. And then the other officer said, you the owner, And all of a sudden, that's when the dog comes out and says put him in, put him in, and he fires four times.
00:11:30
Speaker 1: So that officer saying you the owner, and says put him in, put him in. That's the officer standing at the door who is watching the dog come out. Yeah, right by him. He just says, put him in, put him in. His tone wasn't even as aggressive and shouting. He didn't seem that concern and saying put him in, put him in. Yeah, he was calm. He and he's standing right there. So yes, the dog starts coming out, comes around the corner and you can see in the body cam video the dog is looking directly at and is squared up. If he will towards the I'm not great at feet, but the dog, they say, charging, please help me, And again this is up for people's interpretation. Charging. The dog turned to him and was bouncing. Yes, now, I have seen your dog Roady do this countless times. I don't fear when he does it because he's fourteen.
00:12:21
Speaker 3: Pounds and he has no teeth.
00:12:23
Speaker 1: Yes, you know it's scared. I guess the officer got scared. But it wasn't an attack. It just wasn't an attack.
00:12:31
Speaker 2: It was not And look, I think anyone, look we now see all these pictures. Did you see she had like the more Oh my god, yeah, she had like a whole set of pictures. Apparently Jamison has a brother and said Jamison and Panda puppy brothers forever. And it just she loved that dog and just met up with the brother that was with another person, and that kept them in touch with each other. Like this is a woman who loved her dog, who cared for her dog. He seemed to be sweet. Yes, he was big, but any like you said, before anything with a poodle mix, come on, and a Golden Retriever and a Saint Bernard.
00:13:10
Speaker 1: Ok, yes he was. Maybe the officer didn't know. I'm trying to Robes, and I was trying to give more space before we saw the video. It's hard. Look, that's a split second decision that you're making. And but Robes, I don't know, and I don't think they do every time you hear a dog bark, pull out your weapon. He pulled his gun out. He did at the sight of the dog's head. I don't That is not something they trained to do. So if you're doing that, you're already prepared for deadly force. I don't Robes. If that's the training, Jesus Christ.
00:13:40
Speaker 2: If that's the training, that is unbelievably frightening with someone who seemed to be Yes, you're assuming based on his the way he was speaking and the sound of his voice.
00:13:50
Speaker 3: He sounded young.
00:13:52
Speaker 2: And if you are that scared and you're willing to pull out your gun, that is people officer, that is not the person you want with the badge and a gun.
00:14:03
Speaker 1: He can't be And he fired four times, I think four times. I don't know why we thought it might twice. I thought twice as well, but you hear four times four times the dog was down after one and by the way, the dog was not charging after shot one. It was at a different angle to the last three. I don't understand at.
00:14:22
Speaker 3: All fear anger. Does he have some issue with dogs? I don't know.
00:14:27
Speaker 1: Okay, maybe we'll learn all that later that i'd you like Karen Bass, she came out. Of course, she's in the middle of a pretty heated campaign out there for a re election. She says what she saw on the footage is disturbing and tragic. She said they are thought it was important to release the body cam video, but she says, quote, I am very concerned about why shots were fired and Jamison was killed. This shooting makes clear that while LAPD provides officers with written guidance on the use of force and pets, this is not enough. She said, they are not going to work on best practices and get updates to their training about dogs. Okay, don't kill people's dog when you go to the houses.
00:15:06
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, class dismissed. I mean, don't pull your gun out on a dog.
00:15:12
Speaker 1: When you hear a dog barking.
00:15:14
Speaker 3: That that really is when you put it like that.
00:15:17
Speaker 1: How is that your first instinct? He a dog is barking. You'll see what happened immediately on the thing.
00:15:24
Speaker 2: The body cam does not lie, and you're right. You can see on the lower right side of his body camera his gun goes up immediately.
00:15:31
Speaker 1: At the sight of a what golden it's it's.
00:15:35
Speaker 3: A golden saint berdoodle.
00:15:37
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, come on, and you know who feels worse. We mentioned this early. The person they called nine one one the first place.
00:15:43
Speaker 2: I had a feeling this was the case. But yes, the neighbor did put out a statement saying it.
00:15:48
Speaker 1: Was an interview to the local stations.
00:15:50
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah.
00:15:50
Speaker 2: She talked to Laws News Cruise saying I feel responsible for what happened. I'm so sorry. I never wanted anything bad to happen. I thought I was doing the right thing. And she said I was screaming to her balcony for a while. I called several times, kept going hello, are you okay. She says she didn't hear a TV and that Marie Marseille didn't answer her, so she just kept on screaming. She got nervous and she was Yeah, she was trying to do the right thing and be a good neighbor and make sure her neighbor was okay, And now you know she feels Oh I that was my first thought, like, oh no, the woman who called nine one one, the neighbor who called nine one one, I'm sure is feeling terrible right now.
00:16:29
Speaker 1: Okay, Now there is an attorney representing Marie Marseille. This is a good statement and some of this stuff does need to be said rogues, because they made very good points about this was not a report of violence. The nine one one caller did not report a fight. The nine one one caller did not report a domestic dispute. Why is your gun out? That's so the last question that was mine, Why is your gun out? Go on to explain. She answered the door, She was cooperative, she was polite. She repeatedly attempted to reassure the officers that Jamison was her dog and that he was not dangerous. That is true. They did not take her word for it. This next line, heroes, is is what we were just talking about. And actually I didn't read through this fully, but we were making these same arguments.
00:17:08
Speaker 2: Yes, he said, Yet the shooting officer appears to have had his firearm drawn virtually from the beginning of the encounter. He had his gun drawn before Jamison emerged. He had his gun drawn while Jamison was inside the apartment. He had his gun drawn after Marie closed the door. He had his gun drawn when the door reopened. Throughout the encounter, the officer repeatedly used profanity, focused on the dog's size, and displayed an aggressive attitude during what was supposed to be a welfare check.
00:17:37
Speaker 3: That is so true, that is all true, read the next line.
00:17:40
Speaker 2: This video raises a disturbing question whether the decision to use deadly force had already been made before any meaningful effort was undertaken to objectively assess the situation, de escalate the encounter, or create distance, or consider alternatives.
00:17:57
Speaker 1: That is everything right there. But what we were wondering about the training, and now the mayor says the LAPD needs to retrain officers on this. Well, they have already been trained. They already have directives on what to do. We will tell you what's in it. And this officer, damn near did everything he was trained not to do. I would continue here on this Saturday, June twentieth, on Amy and TJ. Update on the story. A lot of people have been talking about, buzzing about about the nixt loving dog that was shot by LAPD. We have the bodycam video. Now robes they do have, they gave them what it's called a use of forced tactics directive about dog encounters robe. They train them how to deal with dog. I assume they run into a lot of dogs.
00:18:47
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, I'm sure this is it.
00:18:48
Speaker 1: Look.
00:18:49
Speaker 2: I know, even as a local news reporter in South Carolina, I was always a little concerned.
00:18:53
Speaker 3: You would go up to someone's house.
00:18:54
Speaker 2: Sometimes you would cold knock on someone's door to try and see if they would talk to you about whatever story, and if there was a dog on their property.
00:19:00
Speaker 3: I remember we always had to assess it first.
00:19:02
Speaker 2: I imagine as a police officer, this is a daily occurrence.
00:19:06
Speaker 1: Maybe multiple times a day. Even Absolutely they have to have that's fine. We've seen so many of those signs where some of the places we've where we were talking about, we've reported when you said it was on the property. These are places. It's not like a neighborhood. These are different kind of dogs.
00:19:20
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And I'm like they're there to guard.
00:19:22
Speaker 2: Yes, And I was very aware that I was on their property and I was in their space, and so yes, you have to behave very I mean, that was something I had to actually really work through mentally because I had a fear oftentimes going up into someone's house. Again, you're going you're cold calling a lot of these police officers. They're not expected when they show up at your door. And so, yes, a dog is going to react a certain way.
00:19:46
Speaker 1: Now that I hear you're describing this, it seems like this is almost should be a priority of how to train them to do with family animals. But yes, but yeah, they have this directive quote dogs tend to regard their owner's property as their territory and may defend it by growling, barking, or assuming aggressive body language. That makes sense, does absolutely Why is he not? That doesn't register? That's at the top of the directive they give them in their training. What that's like the first thing I'm here, This dog isn't a threat. I am the threat that showed up. He's barking. Dogs do that, robes every if you armed grub hub drivers, they wouldn't shoot a dog that did this.
00:20:24
Speaker 3: No, And I'm sure they encountered the same exact nab. That's that's who Rody barks.
00:20:29
Speaker 2: At usually because it's someone who's coming to and like, obviously he doesn't look like he could hurt a flea.
00:20:36
Speaker 1: So but I've never seen anybody come to our door and flinch because a dog was barking. And okay, it's a big dog. I need to give him some kind of fine credit here.
00:20:45
Speaker 2: But here's the deal they offer, and they give officers defensive tactics against hostile dogs. So it says officers confronted by a hostile dog should remain still face the animal and employ the following tactics should the dog advance.
00:21:03
Speaker 1: Okay, so you're part there of a remain still face the animal. That's what the office at the door was doing. Yes, I think his hands were even at his side. I'm not remembering if he had it on his gun, but he is.
00:21:12
Speaker 2: No, I didn't remember seeing that. And he was calm and the dog was fine.
00:21:16
Speaker 1: He was calm, totally different demeanor, handled it in that way. Remain still face the animal. I know that's hard, but you're an officer, Yes, stand there, brave one.
00:21:26
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a dog bark yes, exactly. And when I'm a runner and I see straight's I do the same thing. I stop, and you just let them protect their territory. But then they say go and give a voice command. If that doesn't work, you have pepper spray or whatever kind of spray it is.
00:21:42
Speaker 3: You can use your baton, you can use a fire extinguisher, so.
00:21:46
Speaker 1: That's a trick that works it.
00:21:48
Speaker 3: But if that's not available, have got a taser? Yeah, a bean bag shot gun, I don't know that that was available.
00:21:55
Speaker 1: Not available, but it's not a deadly.
00:21:57
Speaker 2: Correct or kicking, but the dog things are available to you.
00:22:02
Speaker 1: They list all of those as options.
00:22:05
Speaker 2: Yes, and look, it's it's not ever on their list to pull out a gun.
00:22:12
Speaker 3: It's not on the list.
00:22:15
Speaker 1: It's not it's they There was a mention in there of deadly force, but the extreme nature of getting to there, they explained, and they even said is it's like underline, like deadly force is never okay for a dog that's non threatening or running away or like there they actually have tam times in there where they say you are not allowed at all to fire or use deadly force on an animal. But the situation has to be so extreme. You have all these options you have to consider ropes. It is a dog for dogs? Do we naturally think dogs are killers when they bar?
00:22:55
Speaker 3: No?
00:22:56
Speaker 1: Can I shoot a dog that runs at me? Because I can say it was big, it was loud, I didn't know.
00:23:02
Speaker 2: What was No, it had to have actually probably been biting you, attacking you, physically harming you or someone near you.
00:23:07
Speaker 1: Does a court consider a dog running at you a reasonable threat of death? Now you are reasonable in thinking that a dog a certain weight, certain height, certain deep bark is a threat. I don't.
00:23:23
Speaker 2: I don't believe charge him with a crime here, don't. I do think he is going to lose his job. And I don't know, but he could be charged with a crime given that bodycam footage that I saw, and look.
00:23:35
Speaker 3: In their conclusion, in the LAPD's conclusion.
00:23:38
Speaker 2: About how to handle animals or dogs, And this is what really stood out to me. Generally, the use of voice commands will calm most dogs. He did not speak to that dog. He did not say stay, he did not say sit, He did not say whoa boy like?
00:23:55
Speaker 3: He didn't.
00:23:55
Speaker 2: Instead, he just pulled his gun out or he had his gun already out, excuse me, and he just fired.
00:24:00
Speaker 3: He made zero attempt to calm the dog.
00:24:03
Speaker 1: You know, if they trained him to say to people, freeze, police, drop your weapon. I mean even a criminal gets a shot. Yes it's a dog.
00:24:12
Speaker 3: Dogs follow commands.
00:24:14
Speaker 1: He didn't get the training, or he didn't get this part of the training, wasn't trained well enough. He has a fear of dogs and a round dogs. This would be wild if we find out he owns dogs. It just doesn't makes sense.
00:24:25
Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense.
00:24:26
Speaker 2: And it seems like an inexperienced cop who has some issue or some fear of dogs. And because he had his mind made up before that dog even came after him.
00:24:37
Speaker 1: The rest of that that last line.
00:24:40
Speaker 3: By remaining alert and using common sense, officers can avoid most hostile dog injuries.
00:24:46
Speaker 1: They said injuries.
00:24:47
Speaker 3: There was never going to be a dog injury to him. There was not, no.
00:24:53
Speaker 2: I wonder if he knows that now, if he feels bad about it now, or if he still thinks he did the right thing. I wonder if he is going to defend where his head was in that moment. And I wonder if he feels like we've obviously heard nothing from him and we haven't heard word on what will happen to him or when we'll find out. We just know there's an investigation going on. Who knows how long that will take. But there I mean, when you read the headlines, this is considered that people are calling it an international outcry.
00:25:21
Speaker 3: I mean people around the world.
00:25:23
Speaker 2: People love their dogs, they love their animals, and this is outrageous.
00:25:27
Speaker 1: This will make it worse. Then when the video gets around and it's just getting around on a Friday night.
00:25:31
Speaker 3: It started going around, but it sounds about right.
00:25:35
Speaker 1: It's going to make the round. But this is going to make it worse. Still, I'm waiting. I'm sure the Knicks will hear from the oh you know what you say, You'll hear from the Knicks rather. All right, well, folks, just want to give you that update here on this Saturday. I am TJ Along say my dear Emmy Roblock. We will be talking to y'all soon.
Speaker 1: Hey, folks, it is Saturday, June twentieth, and the story sounded bad enough before we saw the police body cam video. We do have that video now of an officer shooting and killing a Nick's jersey wearing dog, and it's bad with that. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Rodes. It sounded bad just when we had the details. It looks much worse now that we have this. Am I wrong in saying that this is worse than I thought? It's kind of what I suspected, but it's worse than I thought.
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Speaker 2: Yes, because look when you actually see this dog. His name is Jamison, and also when you learn that he's a Golden Saint berdoodle, and yes he's big, and yes his bark is low because of his I guess his size. He's got like a deep sounding bark. I can understand how maybe that sounded slightly menacing, but.
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Speaker 3: You see him and he's barking, but.
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Speaker 2: He's bouncing towards the officer. I wouldn't call it charging. I'd call it bouncing.
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Speaker 1: Charging is not accurate. It's sorry, you can try to interpret it. And that was the first statement they put out. Robes' dog was not charging No, oh, okay, it was not.
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Speaker 3: He was probably gonna lick him to death.
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Speaker 1: Robes. Uh, all right, well people know the story by now. New York Knicks first championship that won in fifty three years. Woman lives out in LA she's from New York. Originally, she's celebrating watching the game that night by herself with her dog, who's wearing robes. That's a look that actually extends a level of fandom. She put her dog in a next jersey.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and look they were both was she was screaming and actually to get the some of the background and we'll get into what the neighbor had to say. But he heard her, or the neighbor heard her repeatedly screaming, oh my god for twenty minutes. If you think about yeah, she's watching the game. She's screaming, oh my god because the Knicks were winning. So there is her dog, Jamison, with her on the couch, excited watching the next win.
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Speaker 1: So this is the story as that came out this week. Ultimately, the officer gets spooked in some way ends up shooting the dog. Now originally rogues the video that was out were from bystanders who are taking pictures in the aftermath. She's on this balcony just on just covering her dead dog. That's all we knew. And the details we will add what the lapd or have it. In the original statement they put out, you have it in front of Okay, this was their original statement again before we saw the body cam video which we have now. But this was the original story, and this is their original statement.
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Speaker 2: They said, the officers met with this person reporting who directed officers to the apartment unit. The officers contacted the resident in the apartment unit. While speaking with the resident, a large dog was by her side, barking at the officers. The officers asked her to secure the dog, and the resident closed her door. Momentarily, she reopened the door and the dog exited the apartment. Once outside of the apartment, the dog charged at one of the officers, resulting in an officer involved shooting.
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Speaker 1: That was the story we had up until now. So a lot robes has been talked about back and forth, and should we this is a family member. I don't want that. There are some people robes. I understand this is an example of police violent police successive force, absolutely right, Okay, I know it's dogs not a dead human being. This is a family This is a family member. So that's why the story Robes does rise to a level why it should be paid attention to, and we shouldn't dismiss and nobody should just because it's a dog and not a human being. This is an important story. So this is where it leads us. They've been protesting out there, they've been asking for the body cam video and Robes, we just got it. And let me start before we describe it. How does what you've seen in the video mesh with the statement, original statement that laped put out.
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Speaker 2: Well, it follows the timeline, it follows what happened. But to say that the dog charged at the officer, I don't think is a fair description.
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Speaker 3: And when you hear the audio in addition to.
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Speaker 2: The video, and you see the officer who shot the dog, his demeanor, what he says, how quickly he pulled out his gun, and look she's saying you can hear her saying, he's not aggressive, and she's like, I'm so sorry, I'm so sorry. He's not aggressive, like she was telling them, he's not one of those dogs.
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Speaker 1: Okay, So they've been asking for this, demanding really this bodycam video get put out, and now we have it, we're going to take you through here. Now the back and forth, I was debating about putting the audio on and letting you will hear it here, but it's difficult to make out and discern exactly what's going on. But we can walk you through it no problem and get you to understand what was happening here. But they show up that night. I can't remember what time it.
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Speaker 3: Was at night, but yeah, it was nine pm because it was late.
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Speaker 1: The gamage just tended.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the gamage intended West.
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Speaker 1: Coast out there, so not that terribly late. They show up for this call, all right, ro They knock on the door, and we're going to take you through the video here and everywhere you see I have officer that's the shooting officer, and where it says other officer, it's the other guy who didn't do the shooting, got it. And the one who actually knocked on the door, who was closer, who actually seemed to understand that it was just a dog bouncing around and it.
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Speaker 2: Was big, correct, it was a big dog bouncing around, was excited and you can actually there's a big difference in demeanor between the officer closest to the door, and the officer who ended up firing because even just watching it and listening to it, I'm sorry, I don't know this officer, but he was rude from the onset and she was soap.
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Speaker 1: What do you do? Okay? So at the top of the video that they released, it starts with the officer saying, can you put your dog inside?
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Speaker 2: Now?
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Speaker 1: Her name is Marie Marseille, all right, Marie Marseille, and you can hear her talking to her dog at that point, she's just saying Jamison, Jamison. The officer says, again, put your dog in. She says, I apologize. Now this is where robes the officer. This became unnecessary and he's hostile. Now, I should say. As soon as they opened the door, she opens the door to answer officers, the dog from the bodycam video sticks its head out.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it looked actually cute, cute and curious. Yeah, that's all.
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Speaker 1: This officer pretty much saw the dog at the time.
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Speaker 3: That's it.
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Speaker 1: Now, when he saw the head, and this is why I'm stopping to mention, you can see his weapon come out.
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Speaker 2: He pulled the weapon out immediately after seeing the head of us would you call.
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Speaker 3: It a saint is he's a golden Saint berdoodle?
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Speaker 1: Okay, he saw a golden Saint berdoodle head and pulled out his gun. Now the dog had barked not that much at that point. Now this takes us to where we are. She says, I apologize, And this when this officer starts getting asked.
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Speaker 2: And this is where I think he's at because when you start yelling and shouting and a dog is there protecting his home or at least at the threshold of his own door, yes, you are ramping up energy. So he goes put your dog away, and then he says it really forcefully and loudly, put your dog away like that, and the dog starts barking more because now he's just changed this into something very hostile.
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Speaker 1: Mind you, the dog is being yelled at and he has a gun pointed at it at this point. That's an aggressive stance that the dog is in a.
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Speaker 2: Record absolutely, and she the entire time, I apologize. Then she says sorry, and then the officer says to himself like that, he drops the F bomb like ef And then the other officer says, that's a big ass dog.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he was kind of amazed and scared. Yeah, but still, any big dog is gonna make you nervous. But he was the one closest to it, did not pull out his weapon.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he just laughed and said that's a big cass dog and just laughed like and you're right.
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Speaker 3: He was right there.
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Speaker 2: He saw the dog right now, far clearer than the officer who ended up shooting Jameson. He only had like the peripheral sight of this dog and he could hear and again, like I said, the dog's bark was very low, which made him sound menacing. But that's when the officer who shot the dog says, I ain't getting bit by that bro. And then the other officer said, dude, that's a big dog and he's laughing.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so yes, at that point where they're saying that rogues, the door had closed and Marie Marseille is putting the dog away, so they're kind of saying this to themselves. Robes that line when the officer who did the shooting said I ain't getting bit by that bro, Like he almost said it, like I dare that dog to come at me. It was all he was scared, and he was a badass and it was his tone there. I just it lit you know what. That sentence helped me understand why he she had shot the dog.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, because he already was in a mindset and that's so said. This was like literally the sweetest big guy who barks.
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Speaker 3: You know, I keep thinking of Brody. He barks every now and then. It's hilarious because he's little.
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Speaker 1: Baby dogs barking. Babies cry. Yeah, stop getting upset about it. I mean, how many I know dogs bite people. I just we're not covering stories every day of dogs biting and killing police officers. We're not covering those stories. Robes. In that moment, he saw a big dog, he heard a big bark. And as she's putting the dog away, you could hear in his tone say, oh, that's why he shot the dog.
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Speaker 3: He's ready to I ain't getting bit by that, bro.
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Speaker 1: And he said it in such a way. I said, is he nineteen? Yeah? He sounded like a kid.
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Speaker 3: He probably was a kid.
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Speaker 1: I ain't getting bit by that bro.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: It was it's like the kids talk of.
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Speaker 2: And he's the guy who is being rude, like yelling at her. And it's interesting that that the dog went after him like dogs know they sense energy, and he was aggressive. The officer was aggressive, and dogs can sense that.
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Speaker 1: Well, that's funny. He had another officer right in his face, closer, and didn't even look at the other officer.
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Speaker 2: Because he knew where the energy in the aggression was coming from.
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Speaker 1: The just bounced out, And you said, and folks that don't know when the dog did you know? Actually, no, let's finish here. And then I was talking about the behavior of dogs of the doodle mixes that yes, they are not charging, they're bouncing, they're happy as hell. Okay, well go ahead.
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Speaker 3: He was excited, all right.
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Speaker 2: He says, I ain't getting bit by that bro dude, that's a big dog. So then the door opens again and the officer says, immediately, is the dog put away? This is when Marie Marsay says, he's not aggressive. Sorry, other officer, it's all good, it's all good. So he actually the guy who was right there, correct, right where the dog was, right at the front door. He's saying it's all good, it's all good. She's saying it's not he's not aggressive. He's not aggressive, and says, I apologize. He and then the other officer says he's just huge, you know what I mean. Like he's kind of explaining to Marie.
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Speaker 1: Yes, they're standing right next to each other at the door having this conversation.
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Speaker 2: A big dog, and she's like, I'm sorry, he's not aggressive, and he's like, he's just huge, you know what I mean, Like, he is a big dog. So they're kind of laughing. It's the temperature is way down. There is no uh, there's no aggression between the two. There doesn't seem to be any fear from that other officer who is right there where the dog is. And then the other officer said, you the owner, And all of a sudden, that's when the dog comes out and says put him in, put him in, and he fires four times.
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Speaker 1: So that officer saying you the owner, and says put him in, put him in. That's the officer standing at the door who is watching the dog come out. Yeah, right by him. He just says, put him in, put him in. His tone wasn't even as aggressive and shouting. He didn't seem that concern and saying put him in, put him in. Yeah, he was calm. He and he's standing right there. So yes, the dog starts coming out, comes around the corner and you can see in the body cam video the dog is looking directly at and is squared up. If he will towards the I'm not great at feet, but the dog, they say, charging, please help me, And again this is up for people's interpretation. Charging. The dog turned to him and was bouncing. Yes, now, I have seen your dog Roady do this countless times. I don't fear when he does it because he's fourteen.
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Speaker 3: Pounds and he has no teeth.
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Speaker 1: Yes, you know it's scared. I guess the officer got scared. But it wasn't an attack. It just wasn't an attack.
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Speaker 2: It was not And look, I think anyone, look we now see all these pictures. Did you see she had like the more Oh my god, yeah, she had like a whole set of pictures. Apparently Jamison has a brother and said Jamison and Panda puppy brothers forever. And it just she loved that dog and just met up with the brother that was with another person, and that kept them in touch with each other. Like this is a woman who loved her dog, who cared for her dog. He seemed to be sweet. Yes, he was big, but any like you said, before anything with a poodle mix, come on, and a Golden Retriever and a Saint Bernard.
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Speaker 1: Ok, yes he was. Maybe the officer didn't know. I'm trying to Robes, and I was trying to give more space before we saw the video. It's hard. Look, that's a split second decision that you're making. And but Robes, I don't know, and I don't think they do every time you hear a dog bark, pull out your weapon. He pulled his gun out. He did at the sight of the dog's head. I don't That is not something they trained to do. So if you're doing that, you're already prepared for deadly force. I don't Robes. If that's the training, Jesus Christ.
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Speaker 2: If that's the training, that is unbelievably frightening with someone who seemed to be Yes, you're assuming based on his the way he was speaking and the sound of his voice.
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Speaker 3: He sounded young.
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Speaker 2: And if you are that scared and you're willing to pull out your gun, that is people officer, that is not the person you want with the badge and a gun.
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Speaker 1: He can't be And he fired four times, I think four times. I don't know why we thought it might twice. I thought twice as well, but you hear four times four times the dog was down after one and by the way, the dog was not charging after shot one. It was at a different angle to the last three. I don't understand at.
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Speaker 3: All fear anger. Does he have some issue with dogs? I don't know.
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Speaker 1: Okay, maybe we'll learn all that later that i'd you like Karen Bass, she came out. Of course, she's in the middle of a pretty heated campaign out there for a re election. She says what she saw on the footage is disturbing and tragic. She said they are thought it was important to release the body cam video, but she says, quote, I am very concerned about why shots were fired and Jamison was killed. This shooting makes clear that while LAPD provides officers with written guidance on the use of force and pets, this is not enough. She said, they are not going to work on best practices and get updates to their training about dogs. Okay, don't kill people's dog when you go to the houses.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, class dismissed. I mean, don't pull your gun out on a dog.
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Speaker 1: When you hear a dog barking.
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Speaker 3: That that really is when you put it like that.
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Speaker 1: How is that your first instinct? He a dog is barking. You'll see what happened immediately on the thing.
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Speaker 2: The body cam does not lie, and you're right. You can see on the lower right side of his body camera his gun goes up immediately.
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Speaker 1: At the sight of a what golden it's it's.
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Speaker 3: A golden saint berdoodle.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, come on, and you know who feels worse. We mentioned this early. The person they called nine one one the first place.
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Speaker 2: I had a feeling this was the case. But yes, the neighbor did put out a statement saying it.
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Speaker 1: Was an interview to the local stations.
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Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah.
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Speaker 2: She talked to Laws News Cruise saying I feel responsible for what happened. I'm so sorry. I never wanted anything bad to happen. I thought I was doing the right thing. And she said I was screaming to her balcony for a while. I called several times, kept going hello, are you okay. She says she didn't hear a TV and that Marie Marseille didn't answer her, so she just kept on screaming. She got nervous and she was Yeah, she was trying to do the right thing and be a good neighbor and make sure her neighbor was okay, And now you know she feels Oh I that was my first thought, like, oh no, the woman who called nine one one, the neighbor who called nine one one, I'm sure is feeling terrible right now.
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Speaker 1: Okay, Now there is an attorney representing Marie Marseille. This is a good statement and some of this stuff does need to be said rogues, because they made very good points about this was not a report of violence. The nine one one caller did not report a fight. The nine one one caller did not report a domestic dispute. Why is your gun out? That's so the last question that was mine, Why is your gun out? Go on to explain. She answered the door, She was cooperative, she was polite. She repeatedly attempted to reassure the officers that Jamison was her dog and that he was not dangerous. That is true. They did not take her word for it. This next line, heroes, is is what we were just talking about. And actually I didn't read through this fully, but we were making these same arguments.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he said, Yet the shooting officer appears to have had his firearm drawn virtually from the beginning of the encounter. He had his gun drawn before Jamison emerged. He had his gun drawn while Jamison was inside the apartment. He had his gun drawn after Marie closed the door. He had his gun drawn when the door reopened. Throughout the encounter, the officer repeatedly used profanity, focused on the dog's size, and displayed an aggressive attitude during what was supposed to be a welfare check.
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Speaker 3: That is so true, that is all true, read the next line.
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Speaker 2: This video raises a disturbing question whether the decision to use deadly force had already been made before any meaningful effort was undertaken to objectively assess the situation, de escalate the encounter, or create distance, or consider alternatives.
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Speaker 1: That is everything right there. But what we were wondering about the training, and now the mayor says the LAPD needs to retrain officers on this. Well, they have already been trained. They already have directives on what to do. We will tell you what's in it. And this officer, damn near did everything he was trained not to do. I would continue here on this Saturday, June twentieth, on Amy and TJ. Update on the story. A lot of people have been talking about, buzzing about about the nixt loving dog that was shot by LAPD. We have the bodycam video. Now robes they do have, they gave them what it's called a use of forced tactics directive about dog encounters robe. They train them how to deal with dog. I assume they run into a lot of dogs.
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Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, I'm sure this is it.
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Speaker 1: Look.
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Speaker 2: I know, even as a local news reporter in South Carolina, I was always a little concerned.
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Speaker 3: You would go up to someone's house.
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Speaker 2: Sometimes you would cold knock on someone's door to try and see if they would talk to you about whatever story, and if there was a dog on their property.
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Speaker 3: I remember we always had to assess it first.
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Speaker 2: I imagine as a police officer, this is a daily occurrence.
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Speaker 1: Maybe multiple times a day. Even Absolutely they have to have that's fine. We've seen so many of those signs where some of the places we've where we were talking about, we've reported when you said it was on the property. These are places. It's not like a neighborhood. These are different kind of dogs.
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, And I'm like they're there to guard.
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Speaker 2: Yes, And I was very aware that I was on their property and I was in their space, and so yes, you have to behave very I mean, that was something I had to actually really work through mentally because I had a fear oftentimes going up into someone's house. Again, you're going you're cold calling a lot of these police officers. They're not expected when they show up at your door. And so, yes, a dog is going to react a certain way.
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Speaker 1: Now that I hear you're describing this, it seems like this is almost should be a priority of how to train them to do with family animals. But yes, but yeah, they have this directive quote dogs tend to regard their owner's property as their territory and may defend it by growling, barking, or assuming aggressive body language. That makes sense, does absolutely Why is he not? That doesn't register? That's at the top of the directive they give them in their training. What that's like the first thing I'm here, This dog isn't a threat. I am the threat that showed up. He's barking. Dogs do that, robes every if you armed grub hub drivers, they wouldn't shoot a dog that did this.
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Speaker 3: No, And I'm sure they encountered the same exact nab. That's that's who Rody barks.
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Speaker 2: At usually because it's someone who's coming to and like, obviously he doesn't look like he could hurt a flea.
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Speaker 1: So but I've never seen anybody come to our door and flinch because a dog was barking. And okay, it's a big dog. I need to give him some kind of fine credit here.
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Speaker 2: But here's the deal they offer, and they give officers defensive tactics against hostile dogs. So it says officers confronted by a hostile dog should remain still face the animal and employ the following tactics should the dog advance.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so you're part there of a remain still face the animal. That's what the office at the door was doing. Yes, I think his hands were even at his side. I'm not remembering if he had it on his gun, but he is.
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Speaker 2: No, I didn't remember seeing that. And he was calm and the dog was fine.
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Speaker 1: He was calm, totally different demeanor, handled it in that way. Remain still face the animal. I know that's hard, but you're an officer, Yes, stand there, brave one.
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Speaker 2: Yes, it's a dog bark yes, exactly. And when I'm a runner and I see straight's I do the same thing. I stop, and you just let them protect their territory. But then they say go and give a voice command. If that doesn't work, you have pepper spray or whatever kind of spray it is.
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Speaker 3: You can use your baton, you can use a fire extinguisher, so.
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Speaker 1: That's a trick that works it.
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Speaker 3: But if that's not available, have got a taser? Yeah, a bean bag shot gun, I don't know that that was available.
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Speaker 1: Not available, but it's not a deadly.
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Speaker 2: Correct or kicking, but the dog things are available to you.
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Speaker 1: They list all of those as options.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and look, it's it's not ever on their list to pull out a gun.
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Speaker 3: It's not on the list.
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Speaker 1: It's not it's they There was a mention in there of deadly force, but the extreme nature of getting to there, they explained, and they even said is it's like underline, like deadly force is never okay for a dog that's non threatening or running away or like there they actually have tam times in there where they say you are not allowed at all to fire or use deadly force on an animal. But the situation has to be so extreme. You have all these options you have to consider ropes. It is a dog for dogs? Do we naturally think dogs are killers when they bar?
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Speaker 3: No?
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Speaker 1: Can I shoot a dog that runs at me? Because I can say it was big, it was loud, I didn't know.
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Speaker 2: What was No, it had to have actually probably been biting you, attacking you, physically harming you or someone near you.
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Speaker 1: Does a court consider a dog running at you a reasonable threat of death? Now you are reasonable in thinking that a dog a certain weight, certain height, certain deep bark is a threat. I don't.
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Speaker 2: I don't believe charge him with a crime here, don't. I do think he is going to lose his job. And I don't know, but he could be charged with a crime given that bodycam footage that I saw, and look.
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Speaker 3: In their conclusion, in the LAPD's conclusion.
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Speaker 2: About how to handle animals or dogs, And this is what really stood out to me. Generally, the use of voice commands will calm most dogs. He did not speak to that dog. He did not say stay, he did not say sit, He did not say whoa boy like?
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Speaker 3: He didn't.
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Speaker 2: Instead, he just pulled his gun out or he had his gun already out, excuse me, and he just fired.
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Speaker 3: He made zero attempt to calm the dog.
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Speaker 1: You know, if they trained him to say to people, freeze, police, drop your weapon. I mean even a criminal gets a shot. Yes it's a dog.
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Speaker 3: Dogs follow commands.
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Speaker 1: He didn't get the training, or he didn't get this part of the training, wasn't trained well enough. He has a fear of dogs and a round dogs. This would be wild if we find out he owns dogs. It just doesn't makes sense.
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Speaker 3: It doesn't make any sense.
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Speaker 2: And it seems like an inexperienced cop who has some issue or some fear of dogs. And because he had his mind made up before that dog even came after him.
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Speaker 1: The rest of that that last line.
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Speaker 3: By remaining alert and using common sense, officers can avoid most hostile dog injuries.
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Speaker 1: They said injuries.
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Speaker 3: There was never going to be a dog injury to him. There was not, no.
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Speaker 2: I wonder if he knows that now, if he feels bad about it now, or if he still thinks he did the right thing. I wonder if he is going to defend where his head was in that moment. And I wonder if he feels like we've obviously heard nothing from him and we haven't heard word on what will happen to him or when we'll find out. We just know there's an investigation going on. Who knows how long that will take. But there I mean, when you read the headlines, this is considered that people are calling it an international outcry.
00:25:21
Speaker 3: I mean people around the world.
00:25:23
Speaker 2: People love their dogs, they love their animals, and this is outrageous.
00:25:27
Speaker 1: This will make it worse. Then when the video gets around and it's just getting around on a Friday night.
00:25:31
Speaker 3: It started going around, but it sounds about right.
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Speaker 1: It's going to make the round. But this is going to make it worse. Still, I'm waiting. I'm sure the Knicks will hear from the oh you know what you say, You'll hear from the Knicks rather. All right, well, folks, just want to give you that update here on this Saturday. I am TJ Along say my dear Emmy Roblock. We will be talking to y'all soon.