July 10, 2026
Tyler Robinson Repeatedly Confessed To Assassination, Regretted Killing Charlie Kirk According To Ex Lover
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RSS Feed It was an eye opening day of testimony in this week’s preliminary hearing for Tyler Robinson, who is facing the death penalty for the public assassination of Charlie Kirk on an Utah campus last September. Robinson’s former partner and roommate sat down with prosecutors in a pre-recorded interview played for the court on Thursday where he detailed Robinson’s behavior before and after the murder. Lance Twiggs also revealed the handwritten note where Robinson confesses to the murder and says he is likely dead or facing a lengthy prison sentence. Prosecutors also presented a series of text messages to Twiggs and others where Robinson seems to be proving to friends he was the one responsible for Kirk’s murder.
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00:00:02
Speaker 1: Hey, the folks.
00:00:02
Speaker 2: It is Friday, July tenth, and a preliminary hearing going on this week was supposed to determine whether or not there was enough evidence for a trial to move forward against the man accused of killing Charlie Kirk. And by what we saw in court yesterday, there is more than enough evidence. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Look, we have to go through this process, Robes, but there I don't know how certainly this is going to trial. Robes. What in God's name can a defense be given what we saw yesterday?
00:00:36
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think I've ever seen a preliminary hearing quite like this in terms of the amount of evidence and the lack of defense. At this point, it seems like his best bet would be able to try to plead out a deal where you don't get the death sentence, because the death penalty is on the table right now. And look, if you've even been remotely following what's come out in court this week, it's hard to imagine there is any possible defense that would be effective in any way, shape or form. The evidence is just overwhelming, and the evidence is coming from Tyler Robinson himself.
00:01:16
Speaker 2: We hear sometimes about confessions right being thrown out for various reasons. Robes, there's so many confessions here, it doesn't even this is mind boggling. We were aware, we knew about some of this stuff about Tyler Robinson Robes after he was arrested. Some of this information came out, some of the dealings with his roommates, some of his talk and text messages. So some of this we were aware of. But there were a few things that came out that we did not know. Some things we got to see for the first time yesterday, including a note and a video a taped interview that his roommate did with authorities. Who all, right, Robes, where do you want to start with all this? Certainly the video was the highlight, but the note was a big deal yesterday.
00:01:58
Speaker 1: Yes and in this video we know that the defense tried, vehemently tried to get this video thrown out. They were supposed to actually play it, I believe, on Wednesday, but the defense was trying to get certain excerpts taken out and have it edited so that all of it wasn't shown. And Erica Kirk, who has been in that courtroom every single day alongside Charlie Kirk's parents. They were adamant that they wanted full transparency, so they were really pushing along with the prosecution to get this video admitted. I think they made a few edits, but ultimately we heard directly from Lance Twigs yesterday, that is Tyler Robinson's ex lover, his ex roommate, and he filled in so many significant details, starting from the morning of the shooting. He said he left. Tyler Robinson left around four or five am. He didn't think much of it because he was an electrician so that he had to go out.
00:02:51
Speaker 2: For a long drive, but it was still odd.
00:02:53
Speaker 1: It was higher than correct. He did not hear again from him until eleven pm that night when he got that text telling him to look under his keyboard to find a note that he had left him. And so actually Lance took a picture of the note and the picture was displayed in court and you could see in his handwriting, in Tyler Robinson's handwriting, him fully admitting to what he had done.
00:03:22
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's confession number one.
00:03:24
Speaker 1: That is confession number one one.
00:03:27
Speaker 2: You got a witness who's telling you that, yes, this guy told me he did it. And then two, Yes, I have a picture of the note that he wrote to me, confessing as well. All right, wrote were barely getting started.
00:03:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, should we read the note? Because the note is very specific, he says. If you are reading this per my text, then I am so sorry. I left the house this morning on a mission and set an auto text. I am likely dead or facing a lengthy prison sentence. I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I took it. I don't know if I will backslash have succeeded, but I had hoped to make it home to you. I wish we could have lived in a world where this was not necessary. Please try and find joy in this life. I love you always, Tyler.
00:04:13
Speaker 2: Okay, should we stop and just move forward? I know we got to go through a process, but this is a This is fascinating to watch, just how overwhelmingly damning all of this evidence is. You gotta go through the process, right ropes, But there has been nothing I've heard all week from the defense that suggested a strategy. I mean, that's been this guy.
00:04:32
Speaker 1: That note, in and of itself, written by his own hand, is all I would think a jury would need to say yep, we got our guy. But Lance Twigs went on in the interview with prosecutors and so he described I thought this was interesting. The morning after when Tyler Robinson got home sometime in the middle of the night, but in the next morning, he said he was pacing up and down in their townhouse and he's said, he just thought it was important to ask Robinson if what he texted the night before was true, like, you know, because we'll get into the text. They went on texting for hours and literally we see Robinson giving him the blow by blow of what's happening with police, what's happening with him, how he left his gun, so just for the next just for the heck of it. The next morning he's like, was that all real? Like did you actually really do that? And that is when Lance said that Tyler Robinson started crying a little bit. He said it was he started crying a little bit and said he wishes he hadn't done it, and then just kept going around and just doing stuff I think to keep himself busy or distracted or something. But then again there was another admission. He admitted it with him started crying and then regretted it said he wished he hadn't done it. We had not heard that before.
00:05:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, confession number two. I mean, ro this just keeps going and going and going. If this does get the trial, I mean, Lance Twigs is your key witness, is he not in the amount of time he is going to end up spending on that witness to him possibly road He's this is incredible. And again this is all video that we are seeing him on and I hadn't laid eyes on him before. We got really long hair, long.
00:06:19
Speaker 1: Hair, And look, a lot was made about at the time he had addressed the letter to Luna and so Lance Twigs, it had been suggested he was either in the process of transitioning to a different gender, but when he was on that video, he absolutely said his name was Lance, and prosecutors referred to him as him he So, look, that has been a part of this conversation because it's been suggested that the motivation for Tyler Robinson, and when you read about the bullet engravings, what he had done to the bullets and the casings, it was very clear he seemed upset at Charlie Kirk's stance on gay rights LGBTQ plus rights transgender rights, and so part of his relationship with his roommate and the fact that his roommate may have been transitioning, they believe could have played into his motive behind the shooting. But the text messages were also read aloud, and there were more confessions and more.
00:07:18
Speaker 2: Details I don't And again this was he went back and forth with his roommate, also went back and forth with some other friends. That was the one most I was fascinated by. Nobody was taking him seriously. It was one of these things where it's bizarre robes that he wanted to be believed, like part of his confession is going out of his way to convince people. No, no, no, no, no, seriously, it's me. Why he was doing this in the moment, I do not know, But again I say, robes confession after confession after confession.
00:07:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, you are speaking specifically too, And they had a I believe an officer reading aloud some of these texts, but among them, yes, messages on the discord app. I don't know that app very well. But he was talking to friends and yes, saying hey, I'm the one who was the shooter, and they weren't believing him, and so he actually texted this to them. Look at the photos from the surveillance footage. It was me, thanks again for everything. Again his own words to multiple people saying it was me, I'm the shooter. When he's texting his roommate his boyfriend at the time, he actually said, I am I'm the shooter. I'm sorry, I've had enough of this hatred, talks about trying to get his gun. Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I got to grab my rifle still. To be honest, I had hoped to keep the secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to have involved you. I thought it was interesting because the roommate asked him, how long have you been planning this, and he wrote back a bit over a week, so we're really getting insight. But it was something. I'm sure you looked at the photos to see the messages, to see the phone, and to see the dialogue that was happening in real time. Him describing where the cops were texting about the crickets being too loud because he was trying to hear where the sheriff's deputies where they were trying to listen to their footsteps. I mean, this was literally a blow by blow account of what happened that day.
00:09:24
Speaker 2: And again, as much as we talk about, as we've said, here's the evidence is so overwhelming, it doesn't seem like that would be much mystery necessarily to how this will ultimately end and he'll be in prison or get the death pend only. But Rope, you're right, this story was perhaps the biggest story of the year last year, and we are now getting that insight you talk about, we're learning a little more behind the scenes about who this guy was, what he was up to, what he was doing, how long he was feeling this way. It does we're getting some getting a window into his psyche and in the build up. So that's important in this case because world is important that what in the world happened that this guy would do this, Like, we need to figure this out and learn some kind what set him off. I didn't see a background or something that suggests he was this kind of violent, and.
00:10:20
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy something else that stood out to me. You just reminded me that in this interview with prosecutors, his ex lover, his ex roommate, said he never spoke of Charlie Kirk, never what did you make of that? He said he had talked a little bit about politics, heard him listening to some political talk radio, But his biggest issue, he believed was with Donald Trump. Never heard him mention Charlie Kirk's name before the day of the shooting.
00:10:50
Speaker 2: So what happened? Right, and he just kept it to himself as possible? What set him off? This was the closest target. Maybe he knew this was something within proximity to him and coming close by. I don't know, Rose, but it is fascinating and we need to study and figure out what happened and what happens to set people off this way to be taking shots at the president, taking shots at Charlie Kirk.
00:11:14
Speaker 1: Now, this one's right, This is one.
00:11:17
Speaker 2: There's no paper trail that, There's no people didn't come forward and say yes, he was disturbed. Yes, he seemed like there was a build up to this.
00:11:24
Speaker 1: A week. Yeah, a week he just makes a decision. It is absolutely confusing in front of the world. But you know what, there was another big development yesterday the judge made an announcement that was actually fairly shocking to a lot of folks in the room. And we'll give you what the defense tried to present and what it's like in that courtroom to have Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk's parents, and the family of Tyler Robinson all in the same room together. Welcome back, everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We are talking about Tyler Robinson in court this week and the incredible, damning, overwhelming evidence that is being presented. And this is all just to determine whether or not this case goes to trial. Seems kind of silly when you hear what we heard, and then on top of it, this was so fascinating. Late yesterday the judge announced that there will be no ruling this week. He is not going to decide whether or not this goes to trial. Instead, he agreed to the defense's request to allow briefs to be filed by both the prosecution and the defense in oral arguments at a hearing scheduled for September first. So, I don't know why he wouldn't have made a ruling. This one seems like the easiest ruling you could ever make. Yeah, there's enough evidence to go to trial.
00:12:59
Speaker 2: Yeah. He also understands Brobe. There was a big fight over whether or not to have cameras in the courtroom. All right, there's a lot to fight about, and he gives the judge credit. Got to get it right. This is a very important This is a case of nationally importance, not just our eyes will be on it. How this is handled is very very important. Look, I commend the judge on that. We're lay people. Obviously, there's enough evidence.
00:13:20
Speaker 1: Everybody knows obviously.
00:13:22
Speaker 2: Right now, so what the why do go about it this way? He knows what he's doing.
00:13:26
Speaker 1: Yes, So to that point, Tyler Robinson hasn't even entered a plea yet because he still has to have this judge's ruling that says it is in fact going to trial before he's technically arranged. It's a strange way to do things. It's not anything we've really seen before, but this is how they're doing it in Utah. And in terms of the defense, it was almost nothing. They called an ATF examiner to the stand about this bullet fragment that was found in Charlie Kirk's body. It quote could not be ida identified or excluded as having been fired from the rifle that they recovered from the scene. That we hear Tyler Robinson specifically referenced multiple times in texts to his roommate that he left it behind, that was wrapped in a towel. There were those engravings on the bullets. I mean, all of that seems to have been tied to him. But they also tried to question the DNA, the DNA on the gun on that rifle had Robinson and his roommate's DNA on it, that did not land.
00:14:29
Speaker 2: Nothing landed. What are you doing?
00:14:32
Speaker 1: Okay?
00:14:32
Speaker 2: Finally they try to defend on the best you can.
00:14:34
Speaker 1: You just don't just there's almost nothing.
00:14:37
Speaker 2: Why go through? Why Why didn't they wave the preliminary hearing.
00:14:40
Speaker 1: That's what I don't understand, And maybe it was from the defence's perspective. I cannot imagine why they would want this all publicly aired before a jury is even seated. I don't know if if this is a way forward with a plea deal. I don't know, because this just doesn't look good in any way for the defense. Not sure how they would actually even present one in court at this point. But in the courtroom, I can't even imagine the tension. And they're Robinson's parents and two of his brothers were sitting right behind Tyler in the front room of the court, right, and then you have Charlie Kirk's parents and Erica Kirk sitting a few rows back from them. Donald Trump Junior has been there. Senator Mike Lee has also been there. But they're just two rows separated from one another. And at one point, when those text messages were being read, journalists in the courtroom said they could hear both Erica Kirk crying and Tyler Robinson's mother Amber crying. So two women crying at the same time, a few rows apart for very different reasons. It's just one of those just surreal moments, bringing all of those people in the same room together.
00:15:56
Speaker 2: Well, is his actions destroyed families? Right, it's there are a lot of victims of what he did. And yes, some of the victims include on his own in his own family where it sucks. But man, Erica Kirk, she's been there. I wonder how often she will decide to be there if this turns to a trial. But this is the guy she forgave And what was the in a week? Two week?
00:16:23
Speaker 1: It was pretty well within I would yeah, within days, if not a week. Yes, she publicly stated that she forgave her husband's killer because that is what Christ would compel her to do. And she made that statement. It was very powerful. And look, he is having his day in court, as is she, and we will wait. I guess they have more testimony. They're wrapping it up today. It's supposed to end officially and then we will wait until September first for the judge's decision. So we'll keep you up to date on any new developments, but we always appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ. Holmes. Talk to you soon.
00:17:01
Speaker 2: The pitch p
Speaker 1: Hey, the folks.
00:00:02
Speaker 2: It is Friday, July tenth, and a preliminary hearing going on this week was supposed to determine whether or not there was enough evidence for a trial to move forward against the man accused of killing Charlie Kirk. And by what we saw in court yesterday, there is more than enough evidence. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Look, we have to go through this process, Robes, but there I don't know how certainly this is going to trial. Robes. What in God's name can a defense be given what we saw yesterday?
00:00:36
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't think I've ever seen a preliminary hearing quite like this in terms of the amount of evidence and the lack of defense. At this point, it seems like his best bet would be able to try to plead out a deal where you don't get the death sentence, because the death penalty is on the table right now. And look, if you've even been remotely following what's come out in court this week, it's hard to imagine there is any possible defense that would be effective in any way, shape or form. The evidence is just overwhelming, and the evidence is coming from Tyler Robinson himself.
00:01:16
Speaker 2: We hear sometimes about confessions right being thrown out for various reasons. Robes, there's so many confessions here, it doesn't even this is mind boggling. We were aware, we knew about some of this stuff about Tyler Robinson Robes after he was arrested. Some of this information came out, some of the dealings with his roommates, some of his talk and text messages. So some of this we were aware of. But there were a few things that came out that we did not know. Some things we got to see for the first time yesterday, including a note and a video a taped interview that his roommate did with authorities. Who all, right, Robes, where do you want to start with all this? Certainly the video was the highlight, but the note was a big deal yesterday.
00:01:58
Speaker 1: Yes and in this video we know that the defense tried, vehemently tried to get this video thrown out. They were supposed to actually play it, I believe, on Wednesday, but the defense was trying to get certain excerpts taken out and have it edited so that all of it wasn't shown. And Erica Kirk, who has been in that courtroom every single day alongside Charlie Kirk's parents. They were adamant that they wanted full transparency, so they were really pushing along with the prosecution to get this video admitted. I think they made a few edits, but ultimately we heard directly from Lance Twigs yesterday, that is Tyler Robinson's ex lover, his ex roommate, and he filled in so many significant details, starting from the morning of the shooting. He said he left. Tyler Robinson left around four or five am. He didn't think much of it because he was an electrician so that he had to go out.
00:02:51
Speaker 2: For a long drive, but it was still odd.
00:02:53
Speaker 1: It was higher than correct. He did not hear again from him until eleven pm that night when he got that text telling him to look under his keyboard to find a note that he had left him. And so actually Lance took a picture of the note and the picture was displayed in court and you could see in his handwriting, in Tyler Robinson's handwriting, him fully admitting to what he had done.
00:03:22
Speaker 2: Well, I mean that's confession number one.
00:03:24
Speaker 1: That is confession number one one.
00:03:27
Speaker 2: You got a witness who's telling you that, yes, this guy told me he did it. And then two, Yes, I have a picture of the note that he wrote to me, confessing as well. All right, wrote were barely getting started.
00:03:36
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, should we read the note? Because the note is very specific, he says. If you are reading this per my text, then I am so sorry. I left the house this morning on a mission and set an auto text. I am likely dead or facing a lengthy prison sentence. I had the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk, and I took it. I don't know if I will backslash have succeeded, but I had hoped to make it home to you. I wish we could have lived in a world where this was not necessary. Please try and find joy in this life. I love you always, Tyler.
00:04:13
Speaker 2: Okay, should we stop and just move forward? I know we got to go through a process, but this is a This is fascinating to watch, just how overwhelmingly damning all of this evidence is. You gotta go through the process, right ropes, But there has been nothing I've heard all week from the defense that suggested a strategy. I mean, that's been this guy.
00:04:32
Speaker 1: That note, in and of itself, written by his own hand, is all I would think a jury would need to say yep, we got our guy. But Lance Twigs went on in the interview with prosecutors and so he described I thought this was interesting. The morning after when Tyler Robinson got home sometime in the middle of the night, but in the next morning, he said he was pacing up and down in their townhouse and he's said, he just thought it was important to ask Robinson if what he texted the night before was true, like, you know, because we'll get into the text. They went on texting for hours and literally we see Robinson giving him the blow by blow of what's happening with police, what's happening with him, how he left his gun, so just for the next just for the heck of it. The next morning he's like, was that all real? Like did you actually really do that? And that is when Lance said that Tyler Robinson started crying a little bit. He said it was he started crying a little bit and said he wishes he hadn't done it, and then just kept going around and just doing stuff I think to keep himself busy or distracted or something. But then again there was another admission. He admitted it with him started crying and then regretted it said he wished he hadn't done it. We had not heard that before.
00:05:52
Speaker 2: Yeah, confession number two. I mean, ro this just keeps going and going and going. If this does get the trial, I mean, Lance Twigs is your key witness, is he not in the amount of time he is going to end up spending on that witness to him possibly road He's this is incredible. And again this is all video that we are seeing him on and I hadn't laid eyes on him before. We got really long hair, long.
00:06:19
Speaker 1: Hair, And look, a lot was made about at the time he had addressed the letter to Luna and so Lance Twigs, it had been suggested he was either in the process of transitioning to a different gender, but when he was on that video, he absolutely said his name was Lance, and prosecutors referred to him as him he So, look, that has been a part of this conversation because it's been suggested that the motivation for Tyler Robinson, and when you read about the bullet engravings, what he had done to the bullets and the casings, it was very clear he seemed upset at Charlie Kirk's stance on gay rights LGBTQ plus rights transgender rights, and so part of his relationship with his roommate and the fact that his roommate may have been transitioning, they believe could have played into his motive behind the shooting. But the text messages were also read aloud, and there were more confessions and more.
00:07:18
Speaker 2: Details I don't And again this was he went back and forth with his roommate, also went back and forth with some other friends. That was the one most I was fascinated by. Nobody was taking him seriously. It was one of these things where it's bizarre robes that he wanted to be believed, like part of his confession is going out of his way to convince people. No, no, no, no, no, seriously, it's me. Why he was doing this in the moment, I do not know, But again I say, robes confession after confession after confession.
00:07:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, you are speaking specifically too, And they had a I believe an officer reading aloud some of these texts, but among them, yes, messages on the discord app. I don't know that app very well. But he was talking to friends and yes, saying hey, I'm the one who was the shooter, and they weren't believing him, and so he actually texted this to them. Look at the photos from the surveillance footage. It was me, thanks again for everything. Again his own words to multiple people saying it was me, I'm the shooter. When he's texting his roommate his boyfriend at the time, he actually said, I am I'm the shooter. I'm sorry, I've had enough of this hatred, talks about trying to get his gun. Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I got to grab my rifle still. To be honest, I had hoped to keep the secret till I died of old age. I am sorry to have involved you. I thought it was interesting because the roommate asked him, how long have you been planning this, and he wrote back a bit over a week, so we're really getting insight. But it was something. I'm sure you looked at the photos to see the messages, to see the phone, and to see the dialogue that was happening in real time. Him describing where the cops were texting about the crickets being too loud because he was trying to hear where the sheriff's deputies where they were trying to listen to their footsteps. I mean, this was literally a blow by blow account of what happened that day.
00:09:24
Speaker 2: And again, as much as we talk about, as we've said, here's the evidence is so overwhelming, it doesn't seem like that would be much mystery necessarily to how this will ultimately end and he'll be in prison or get the death pend only. But Rope, you're right, this story was perhaps the biggest story of the year last year, and we are now getting that insight you talk about, we're learning a little more behind the scenes about who this guy was, what he was up to, what he was doing, how long he was feeling this way. It does we're getting some getting a window into his psyche and in the build up. So that's important in this case because world is important that what in the world happened that this guy would do this, Like, we need to figure this out and learn some kind what set him off. I didn't see a background or something that suggests he was this kind of violent, and.
00:10:20
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy something else that stood out to me. You just reminded me that in this interview with prosecutors, his ex lover, his ex roommate, said he never spoke of Charlie Kirk, never what did you make of that? He said he had talked a little bit about politics, heard him listening to some political talk radio, But his biggest issue, he believed was with Donald Trump. Never heard him mention Charlie Kirk's name before the day of the shooting.
00:10:50
Speaker 2: So what happened? Right, and he just kept it to himself as possible? What set him off? This was the closest target. Maybe he knew this was something within proximity to him and coming close by. I don't know, Rose, but it is fascinating and we need to study and figure out what happened and what happens to set people off this way to be taking shots at the president, taking shots at Charlie Kirk.
00:11:14
Speaker 1: Now, this one's right, This is one.
00:11:17
Speaker 2: There's no paper trail that, There's no people didn't come forward and say yes, he was disturbed. Yes, he seemed like there was a build up to this.
00:11:24
Speaker 1: A week. Yeah, a week he just makes a decision. It is absolutely confusing in front of the world. But you know what, there was another big development yesterday the judge made an announcement that was actually fairly shocking to a lot of folks in the room. And we'll give you what the defense tried to present and what it's like in that courtroom to have Erica Kirk, Charlie Kirk's parents, and the family of Tyler Robinson all in the same room together. Welcome back, everyone to this episode of Amy and TJ. We are talking about Tyler Robinson in court this week and the incredible, damning, overwhelming evidence that is being presented. And this is all just to determine whether or not this case goes to trial. Seems kind of silly when you hear what we heard, and then on top of it, this was so fascinating. Late yesterday the judge announced that there will be no ruling this week. He is not going to decide whether or not this goes to trial. Instead, he agreed to the defense's request to allow briefs to be filed by both the prosecution and the defense in oral arguments at a hearing scheduled for September first. So, I don't know why he wouldn't have made a ruling. This one seems like the easiest ruling you could ever make. Yeah, there's enough evidence to go to trial.
00:12:59
Speaker 2: Yeah. He also understands Brobe. There was a big fight over whether or not to have cameras in the courtroom. All right, there's a lot to fight about, and he gives the judge credit. Got to get it right. This is a very important This is a case of nationally importance, not just our eyes will be on it. How this is handled is very very important. Look, I commend the judge on that. We're lay people. Obviously, there's enough evidence.
00:13:20
Speaker 1: Everybody knows obviously.
00:13:22
Speaker 2: Right now, so what the why do go about it this way? He knows what he's doing.
00:13:26
Speaker 1: Yes, So to that point, Tyler Robinson hasn't even entered a plea yet because he still has to have this judge's ruling that says it is in fact going to trial before he's technically arranged. It's a strange way to do things. It's not anything we've really seen before, but this is how they're doing it in Utah. And in terms of the defense, it was almost nothing. They called an ATF examiner to the stand about this bullet fragment that was found in Charlie Kirk's body. It quote could not be ida identified or excluded as having been fired from the rifle that they recovered from the scene. That we hear Tyler Robinson specifically referenced multiple times in texts to his roommate that he left it behind, that was wrapped in a towel. There were those engravings on the bullets. I mean, all of that seems to have been tied to him. But they also tried to question the DNA, the DNA on the gun on that rifle had Robinson and his roommate's DNA on it, that did not land.
00:14:29
Speaker 2: Nothing landed. What are you doing?
00:14:32
Speaker 1: Okay?
00:14:32
Speaker 2: Finally they try to defend on the best you can.
00:14:34
Speaker 1: You just don't just there's almost nothing.
00:14:37
Speaker 2: Why go through? Why Why didn't they wave the preliminary hearing.
00:14:40
Speaker 1: That's what I don't understand, And maybe it was from the defence's perspective. I cannot imagine why they would want this all publicly aired before a jury is even seated. I don't know if if this is a way forward with a plea deal. I don't know, because this just doesn't look good in any way for the defense. Not sure how they would actually even present one in court at this point. But in the courtroom, I can't even imagine the tension. And they're Robinson's parents and two of his brothers were sitting right behind Tyler in the front room of the court, right, and then you have Charlie Kirk's parents and Erica Kirk sitting a few rows back from them. Donald Trump Junior has been there. Senator Mike Lee has also been there. But they're just two rows separated from one another. And at one point, when those text messages were being read, journalists in the courtroom said they could hear both Erica Kirk crying and Tyler Robinson's mother Amber crying. So two women crying at the same time, a few rows apart for very different reasons. It's just one of those just surreal moments, bringing all of those people in the same room together.
00:15:56
Speaker 2: Well, is his actions destroyed families? Right, it's there are a lot of victims of what he did. And yes, some of the victims include on his own in his own family where it sucks. But man, Erica Kirk, she's been there. I wonder how often she will decide to be there if this turns to a trial. But this is the guy she forgave And what was the in a week? Two week?
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Speaker 1: It was pretty well within I would yeah, within days, if not a week. Yes, she publicly stated that she forgave her husband's killer because that is what Christ would compel her to do. And she made that statement. It was very powerful. And look, he is having his day in court, as is she, and we will wait. I guess they have more testimony. They're wrapping it up today. It's supposed to end officially and then we will wait until September first for the judge's decision. So we'll keep you up to date on any new developments, but we always appreciate you listening to us. I'm Amy Roeboch alongside TJ. Holmes. Talk to you soon.
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