Aug. 21, 2026
Tupac Murder Trial: “Nothing Leaves This Room” Confession, Played For Entire Courtroom To Hear
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RSS Feed Jurors and the world heard, for the very first time, defendant Duane Davis confessing to police who he claimed shot and killed Tupac Shakur on the Vegas Strip 30 years ago. Davis is heard on tape telling detectives about what happened that night and his role in the murder right after police assure him “Nothing you say today can be used against you” and that “nothing leaves this room” in a deal that had to anger family and friends of Shakur. Police knew ALL this time who shot and killed Shakur, and we’re only now hearing about it? Davis’ defense continues to be that their client was lying to police, lying in interviews, and lying in his memoir about his role in the crime.
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00:00:02
Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Friday, August twenty first, and the defense and the Tupac murder trial says, don't believe our client. He just be lying. Well, yesterday in court it was shown that maybe sometimes he appears to be telling the truth. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Ropes. It's a hell of a defense we talked about. But Dwayne Davis seems to have told the same story with some consistency over the years, which suggests maybe he was telling the truth.
00:00:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you actually hear Dwayne Davis in his own words tell the story, it reads it feels authentic. There's even some joking and some joyialness to the confession where it doesn't feel as though he's pretending or faking or embellishing. It just seems like, Yeah, that's seems like that, that's kind of what happened.
00:01:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said joking. And yes, there was an Oprah Winfrey reference in the Tupac murder trial yesterday. We will explain that. But yes, Robes, this is the first full week of testimony. Dwayne Davis, of course, the only person who's ever been held accountable put to trial for that murder. He of course not the one that pulled the trigger, but is accused of being the one that provided the gun and orchestrated the whole killing. So they've been going at it in Vegas all week robes. We've seen guys come up who are retired, who are.
00:01:29
Speaker 3: Hostile witnesses, self proclaimed.
00:01:32
Speaker 1: Old right, this is thirty years ago, so it's been interesting to see it piece together. But the key part of this robes is a defense that you and I said we never really heard before because Dwayne Davis is on trial because he's been talking too damn much for the past several years.
00:01:49
Speaker 2: I mean, he seems like he's been telling everybody who would listen, yes, what actually happened that night on the Vegas Strip in nineteen ninety six.
00:01:57
Speaker 3: So it's interesting as we.
00:01:58
Speaker 2: All have been covering this and been talking about this as the mystery, no one's been held accountable.
00:02:04
Speaker 3: No one really knew or knows what happened that night.
00:02:07
Speaker 2: Seems like a lot of people knew because he's telling a lot of people.
00:02:11
Speaker 3: He wrote a book about what he says happened.
00:02:14
Speaker 1: Cops knew. This has been fascinating to watch, folks. This is a guy whose story has been known for some time by authorities, but he couldn't be held accountable because he got a particular offer that nothing he said during this interview was going to be held against him. In that interview all those twenty years ago, now he confessed to the exact same things that he ended up putting in his book that he's talking about in podcast interviews. Robes. That's the thing. He got away seemingly with one of the most infamous crimes and murders in history until now because he went out and started talking about it. Robes, he had a deal. All he had to do is shut up.
00:02:55
Speaker 3: It's kind of remarkable.
00:02:57
Speaker 2: Is he just look? The question is is he just stupid? Was he greedy? Was he delusional? Was he all of the aboves?
00:03:04
Speaker 1: He's just bragging. I mean, he's the only guy left that was in the car, the car where the bullets flew that killed Tupac Shakur. Robes, if you're that guy, he might feel some sense of pride of honor. He was that guy. He's been telling the story in a book, but in court yesterday this was the big whoopie do. They played his interview that Robes. I believe is believed to be the first time that he spoke to investigators, telling them this story about Tupac.
00:03:37
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, and it's because police were actually investigating the Biggie Small's murder and he was like, yeah, I'm not responsible for that one, and obviously that prompted police to say, okay, but which one are you responsible for?
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Speaker 3: And then he just started talking.
00:03:56
Speaker 1: Who does that? Like what is it about human nature? In that moment? There was nothing beneficial for him in that moment. He was in charge with the Biggie murder. He was brought in to ask about another crime he didn't commit, and he confessed to another one.
00:04:11
Speaker 3: He offered it up.
00:04:12
Speaker 2: I mean police even say, we weren't even asking him about the Tupac murder. That wasn't even on our radar at that point. We were only investigating the Biggie Smalls murder. And he just said, oh, yeah, not that one, but the other one.
00:04:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did that, And that is why he is currently on trial. So they play this audio and it goes for hours actually, but they play it all. They have the transcript playing in the courtroom robes for everybody to see. So his story seems pretty consistent. The one he's telling in this interview with the one he put in his book. There is a discrepancy we will talk about, but it seems consistent, and so Robes it has some of his direct quotes from this thing. He did explain, and we know he is one of four people who were in that vehicle. He was in the passenger seat. But he explains that Robes he's not the one who pulled the trigger, but he said he would have pulled out the trigger.
00:05:05
Speaker 2: That was wildly while he's talking to police about a murder they didn't even ask him about. He not only says who the gunman was, but he then also offers that if Tupac and suge Knight had been driving on the other side of the vehicle.
00:05:22
Speaker 3: He would have popped him.
00:05:23
Speaker 2: He's actually claiming that he wasn't the triggerman, but he could have been, would have been, and maybe wished he were.
00:05:31
Speaker 1: So how does that work? You're sitting across as an investigator from a guy who was confessing to the biggest unsolved murder, a one of that we have, and you can't do anything about it. They had to have set up and gone what the actual hell? Rhoades a guy confessing to being in the car and you can't touch him. That's a hell of a deal. That part is remarkable, first of all. And the other remarkable part is he would have gotten away with it if he just shut up. He wouldn't.
00:05:57
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he is sitting in the defendant seat by his own doing.
00:06:03
Speaker 3: Period.
00:06:03
Speaker 1: So we hear this line come from him in this audio. He tells the investigator quote, if we would have been on my side, I would have blasted, essentially saying he was the one with the gun in his hand. He handed it to the fellas in the back seat. That's one of his stories. Now, Ropes, I didn't know this. Apparently it's in the book, but I'm hearing this for the first time. He explains what their night was Robes. It's remarkable how close they came to not killing Tupac that night because they couldn't find him. Ropes, I had never heard this detail before, but it's played in the courtroom. That night they went out looking for retaliation, looking for Tupac around. It's not that busy, but it's a big town, but it's only certain places people are gonna go. But they knew he was going to go to this club six' six to, Two are they? Right, yep some. Club tupac was supposed to.
00:06:54
Speaker 3: Perform the charity event he was performing.
00:06:56
Speaker 1: Here, yes they go, there wait, Around tupac doesn't show up. Anything, well they give. Up they're, done finished for their mission for the night of Finding. Tupac we're not gonna be able to get.
00:07:08
Speaker 3: Them so they made a liquor store.
00:07:10
Speaker 1: Run go to the liquor. Store they've they're gone on about their. Evening go to the liquor. Store robes in this trip to the liquor, store they get. Done he happens to Hear Dwayne davis Says tupac's name being. Chanted they're driving by somewhere and see, it and they see That BLACK bmw fans had Spotted tupac and the fans were yelling his, name and that's how they found. Him robes tweet talk all the time about life and, fate runways and the universe doing certain. Things to think how close he came to surviving the night.
00:07:44
Speaker 3: The fans gave him. Away, wow that's.
00:07:47
Speaker 1: Crazy i'd never heard that story. Before apparently it is in his. Book but that's how they found, him and that's how it all, UNFOLDED i wrote to give an. IDEA i guess here of the tone right of this back and, forth there was a, joke there was, Light there were light moments as he's rob that comes off as he was under no threat of getting in, joy.
00:08:11
Speaker 2: He wasn't worried about being held accountable for what he was. Saying and, look we know we've seen plenty of police tactics play, out but, yeah they try to make them feel, comfortable joke, around make them feel like they're with like minded folks who understand what he was going through or, get you, know get the, situation and we're not here To we're not here. To we hear that all the time when they're trying to get people to tell them what they want. To hear, like we're not here to press, you we're not here to charge, you we're not worried about.
00:08:37
Speaker 3: That we just want to know what. Happened, so, yeah they're just trying to make it feel.
00:08:40
Speaker 2: Comfortable and Clearly davis does feel very comfortable because after he tells the, story he's, LIKE i ain't never told nobody that, story kind of laughing it, off and the detective, says doesn't it feel? Good?
00:08:51
Speaker 3: Man to get it off your.
00:08:52
Speaker 2: Chest the other detective, Says oprah's going to be, like Mister, davis we really appreciate. It and then the second detective jumps in and then he'll be, like, like read my. Book, wow that's ominous now that we know he actually did, Everything but go, On, Oprah yeah he did write the.
00:09:08
Speaker 1: BOOK i wonder if that's where he got the. IDEA i was just gonna say.
00:09:11
Speaker 3: That did that make him, think ooh maybe one DAY i will do, That.
00:09:14
Speaker 1: Robes that's wild to think you're that comfortable he is being. Roped he is actually in a room with several police officers being questioned about the two biggest unsolved murders in.
00:09:27
Speaker 2: Music and this would have been twelve years after the, fact is, correct nineteen ninety six to twenty, Eight so twelve years you've gotten away with. This it's a huge, mystery and you feel so comfortable telling cops that you were a part of, it you masterminded, it and while you didn't pull the, trigger you would.
00:09:47
Speaker 3: Have that's. UNBELIEVABLE i know he was.
00:09:51
Speaker 2: Trying To according to what we heard in court, today he talked about all of this and he was being interviewed obviously they were investigating The Biggie smalls, murder but there were some drug charges that were hanging over his, head and if he, cooperated he felt like maybe he was going to get a pass on the their cocaine and some other sort of hardcore drug he was being investigated, for and so perhaps this was some sort of a i'll tell you, this you drop that kind of a.
00:10:17
Speaker 1: Situation but grow, up there was No his defense team is trying to argue that all this was just him. Posturing he was just trying to sound, cool trying to get himself out of trouble.
00:10:27
Speaker 3: Whatever man trying to get himself out of drug, CHARGES i think is what they were.
00:10:30
Speaker 2: Claiming but to, me, LOOK i, understand and we'll explain why he wasn't. Prosecuted but to hear the detectives on the, tape and it actually had an audible reaction in the courtroom for them to, say nothing you say today can be used against. You nothing leaves this. Room to hear that on the tape and then to hear it being played out in a, courtroom the reporter said that some of the family members that they started to shaking their, head like here you have police saying nothing you say can be used against. You nothing leaves this, room and here we are are seeing it being used against him in a room very publicly being played for everyone to listen.
00:11:11
Speaker 1: To that's on, him, Right they told him nothing you say today can be used against, you and they say later and, yeah in the. Courtroom this is the one way people gasped when they that you hear the officers say if you don't say any or here it. Is if you don't say, nothing it's. Cool but if you go out there and start, talking he's letting them know you're fine as long as you shut. Up robes to family, members this is a clear display, Now, robes it's there on. Tape police have known who killed this guy.
00:11:47
Speaker 3: For a long long, time.
00:11:50
Speaker 1: And for whatever reasons their. Tactics maybe Was Keystone, coppish maybe.
00:11:55
Speaker 3: It was maybe they did don't.
00:11:56
Speaker 1: Care maybe but either, Way, robes that is a hard one to stomach for, families and, yes for fans and from people who love hip hop that this, Like, wow, cops.
00:12:10
Speaker 2: Y'all knew who Killed. Tupac he was bragging about Killing Tupac shaker and you all told him you were.
00:12:19
Speaker 3: Cool just don't tell anyone.
00:12:21
Speaker 1: Else you told him to write a, book you joked with him about being On. Oprah. Robes the family should be.
00:12:27
Speaker 3: Fuming i'm sure they.
00:12:29
Speaker 1: Are i'm a little hot. That it's tough to, stomach, babe when you talk about the relationship with all the time when the black, community certainly the hip hop, community to the rap community with police officers and how they get treated and they rap about it all the. Time it's been part of the. Culture robes to hear, this you knew Who he looked you in the face and, said, YEP i did, it and y'all, said, man that's gonna be a good episode ON oprah one. DAY i can't wait to read your. Book, bye enjoy your. Day thanks for your. Cooperation as long as you don't talk out there that we can do to you. Peace that's, stunning that's. Awful maybe up for an, investigation, potentially, Absolutely but for what this case, is that's pretty remarkable to. See but stay. Here his defense lawyer keeps, Saying, hey my client just be. Lying, well we did find at least One robes discrepancy in the stories That Dwayne davis has told over the. Years you be the judge if it's big enough of a discrepancy to think he's.
00:13:36
Speaker 2: Lying welcome back To amy AND. Tj it was ANOTHER i, mean it was a wild. DAY i know we say this all the time in, court but to actually hear a man in his own, words, yes we, know we can read it in his, book but to hear him tell police in two thousand and eight that he was a part of the group that targeted and Killed Tupac. Shakur and the fact that cops have known about this for all these years and were just now in twenty twenty six seeing the man who fully admitted he was responsible held responsible in, court but only because he kept telling people he wrote about, it he profited from.
00:14:29
Speaker 1: It maybe he forgot about the. Deal surely he consulted with an, attorney because he had an, attorney a good one in two thousand and eight to get him a pretty good. Deal you.
00:14:39
Speaker 3: Know it's it's interesting anyone who's written a.
00:14:41
Speaker 2: MEMOIR i don't know how many people out there have done, it but anytime you tell any story that might implicate someone else or yourself in. Something AND i had something in my in one of my in my only Book i've ever. Written but, yes it was heavily. Lawyered the publisher doesn't want to be held accountable for anything that could point the finger at someone else or cause or be the trigger for any sort of legal. Action these things are heavily vetted and, reviewed not only by your own, attorneys but by the publisher's. Attorneys SO i actually did have that. Thought how in the hell was this something that everyone felt okay with?
00:15:19
Speaker 1: Publishing maybe it was self published by a small little imprint.
00:15:24
Speaker 3: Somewhere, POSSIBLE i don't. KNOW i don't know. Either OH i had to.
00:15:27
Speaker 1: Do but he's gone on, Subsequently, robes he's been on, podcasts he's done, interviews he talked about, this telling the story.
00:15:33
Speaker 2: Who he clearly felt like he had a deal with police that he would not be.
00:15:39
Speaker 1: Charged, so, yes that, deal that profer, deal has apparently broken down now because they're saying once he started talking all immunity if you, will that he got all bets are. Off, However, robes his attorney keeps, saying it so wild for an attorney to look at a jury and, say don't believe my. Plan he just. Lies he's just.
00:15:57
Speaker 3: Lies if his lips are, moving he's.
00:15:58
Speaker 1: Lying that is his the, okay so at least one thing robes there's a discrepancy in his storytelling between the story he tells police and the interviews we're just talking, about and a story he tells in his Book You Be The judge, wrote how big of a discrepancy discrepancy is over how the gun actually got into the back?
00:16:17
Speaker 2: Seat and it would Be and the reason why this is important to the defense is because if if one of the versions is, correct then he didn't necessarily hand the gun over to the. Gunman so, yes the issue is how the gun that Killed Tupac shakur got into the back seat in the first.
00:16:36
Speaker 3: Place there was also some discrepancy as where they left it as.
00:16:39
Speaker 2: Well but in the interview that he gave to, police he told the detectives that he himself handed the gun to the fellas in the back because he didn't have a clear.
00:16:49
Speaker 3: Shot.
00:16:49
Speaker 1: Correct, yes because he was on the opposite. Side he's in the passenger. Side the vehicle is actually pulled up on the right side Of tupac's. Vehicle he's in the passenger, seat so he wasn't in a good, end so he claims he handed it to the Back he hands it to the guy who's in the back seat that's closest To, tupac but that dude didn't want to, Shoot so the other guy who was in the backseat actually ends up being the one doing the. Shooting that's the story he tells to. Police the story in the book robes this made it seem like it, WAS i, guess backing off his. Responsibility, well that's.
00:17:24
Speaker 2: Exactly what it, is because when he told police, that and it makes total sense that they were looking For, tupac, correct and they found, him and the guy who ended up pulling the trigger was the guy who got his ass beat in the casino, earlier so it would make sense that he would be the, one and he tossed it back to, him. Right so in his, Book Dwayne davis says he tossed the gun in the back seat earlier at the liquor. Store and then he also claimed in the book that it was when they pulled up next To tupac they saw him reaching for what they believed to be would be a, gun and so it almost felt like it was a defensive tactic in his book to shoot the first shot before a shot came at, them That tupac was planning to shoot their, car and they just got the gun out. Quicker the bullets started flying first Before tupac ever got a chance to pull out his.
00:18:15
Speaker 1: Gun so he is lying.
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Speaker 3: One of the versions is not.
00:18:20
Speaker 1: True, Okay but if if we go with the book, version is he not guilty of? Anything are you going to look at?
00:18:27
Speaker 2: That you can't do a preemptive, defense, RIGHT i, mean if you don't know he thought he.
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Speaker 3: Was reaching for the, gun that doesn't make a lot of.
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Speaker 2: Sense and if he tossed the gun in the, back obviously that would mean he didn't basically direct somebody to Shoot.
00:18:41
Speaker 1: Tupac so is that a good? Defense is that what he's going to stand? By? That? YEP i was just riding that. NIGHT i got me a bala, ALAS i was good to.
00:18:50
Speaker 2: GO i, MEAN i guess that will be his defense that he tossed the gun back, earlier didn't know that anyone in the back seat was going to try to Shoot. TUPAC i, mean that would be the only AND i guess if that is what he wrote in his, book that's what they would more than likely lean on in terms of defending, him that he didn't know that anyone in the back seat was going to Shoot, tupac and he certainly didn't direct anyone in the back seat to Shoot.
00:19:13
Speaker 1: Tupac that's my, Line i'm sticking to.
00:19:16
Speaker 3: It and everyone else in the car is. Dead so what you're gonna? Do which version of WHAT i said do you?
00:19:23
Speaker 1: Believe which lie is more. Believable it is so wild that this is a. Defense he just. Lying he made all that story. Up he didn't do all this. Stuff they continue today that we back at it today In, vegas wrapping up a full. Week this has been the first full week of this, trial and they are expected to have a full. DAY i do believe today as. Well our eyes are on, it. FOLKS i appreciate you spending some time with us ON. Tj That's ropes talk. Soon
Speaker 1: Hey, that folks. It is Friday, August twenty first, and the defense and the Tupac murder trial says, don't believe our client. He just be lying. Well, yesterday in court it was shown that maybe sometimes he appears to be telling the truth. And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Ropes. It's a hell of a defense we talked about. But Dwayne Davis seems to have told the same story with some consistency over the years, which suggests maybe he was telling the truth.
00:00:37
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when you actually hear Dwayne Davis in his own words tell the story, it reads it feels authentic. There's even some joking and some joyialness to the confession where it doesn't feel as though he's pretending or faking or embellishing. It just seems like, Yeah, that's seems like that, that's kind of what happened.
00:01:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, you said joking. And yes, there was an Oprah Winfrey reference in the Tupac murder trial yesterday. We will explain that. But yes, Robes, this is the first full week of testimony. Dwayne Davis, of course, the only person who's ever been held accountable put to trial for that murder. He of course not the one that pulled the trigger, but is accused of being the one that provided the gun and orchestrated the whole killing. So they've been going at it in Vegas all week robes. We've seen guys come up who are retired, who are.
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Speaker 3: Hostile witnesses, self proclaimed.
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Speaker 1: Old right, this is thirty years ago, so it's been interesting to see it piece together. But the key part of this robes is a defense that you and I said we never really heard before because Dwayne Davis is on trial because he's been talking too damn much for the past several years.
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Speaker 2: I mean, he seems like he's been telling everybody who would listen, yes, what actually happened that night on the Vegas Strip in nineteen ninety six.
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Speaker 3: So it's interesting as we.
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Speaker 2: All have been covering this and been talking about this as the mystery, no one's been held accountable.
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Speaker 3: No one really knew or knows what happened that night.
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Speaker 2: Seems like a lot of people knew because he's telling a lot of people.
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Speaker 3: He wrote a book about what he says happened.
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Speaker 1: Cops knew. This has been fascinating to watch, folks. This is a guy whose story has been known for some time by authorities, but he couldn't be held accountable because he got a particular offer that nothing he said during this interview was going to be held against him. In that interview all those twenty years ago, now he confessed to the exact same things that he ended up putting in his book that he's talking about in podcast interviews. Robes. That's the thing. He got away seemingly with one of the most infamous crimes and murders in history until now because he went out and started talking about it. Robes, he had a deal. All he had to do is shut up.
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Speaker 3: It's kind of remarkable.
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Speaker 2: Is he just look? The question is is he just stupid? Was he greedy? Was he delusional? Was he all of the aboves?
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Speaker 1: He's just bragging. I mean, he's the only guy left that was in the car, the car where the bullets flew that killed Tupac Shakur. Robes, if you're that guy, he might feel some sense of pride of honor. He was that guy. He's been telling the story in a book, but in court yesterday this was the big whoopie do. They played his interview that Robes. I believe is believed to be the first time that he spoke to investigators, telling them this story about Tupac.
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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, and it's because police were actually investigating the Biggie Small's murder and he was like, yeah, I'm not responsible for that one, and obviously that prompted police to say, okay, but which one are you responsible for?
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Speaker 3: And then he just started talking.
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Speaker 1: Who does that? Like what is it about human nature? In that moment? There was nothing beneficial for him in that moment. He was in charge with the Biggie murder. He was brought in to ask about another crime he didn't commit, and he confessed to another one.
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Speaker 3: He offered it up.
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Speaker 2: I mean police even say, we weren't even asking him about the Tupac murder. That wasn't even on our radar at that point. We were only investigating the Biggie Smalls murder. And he just said, oh, yeah, not that one, but the other one.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I did that, And that is why he is currently on trial. So they play this audio and it goes for hours actually, but they play it all. They have the transcript playing in the courtroom robes for everybody to see. So his story seems pretty consistent. The one he's telling in this interview with the one he put in his book. There is a discrepancy we will talk about, but it seems consistent, and so Robes it has some of his direct quotes from this thing. He did explain, and we know he is one of four people who were in that vehicle. He was in the passenger seat. But he explains that Robes he's not the one who pulled the trigger, but he said he would have pulled out the trigger.
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Speaker 2: That was wildly while he's talking to police about a murder they didn't even ask him about. He not only says who the gunman was, but he then also offers that if Tupac and suge Knight had been driving on the other side of the vehicle.
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Speaker 3: He would have popped him.
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Speaker 2: He's actually claiming that he wasn't the triggerman, but he could have been, would have been, and maybe wished he were.
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Speaker 1: So how does that work? You're sitting across as an investigator from a guy who was confessing to the biggest unsolved murder, a one of that we have, and you can't do anything about it. They had to have set up and gone what the actual hell? Rhoades a guy confessing to being in the car and you can't touch him. That's a hell of a deal. That part is remarkable, first of all. And the other remarkable part is he would have gotten away with it if he just shut up. He wouldn't.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he is sitting in the defendant seat by his own doing.
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Speaker 3: Period.
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Speaker 1: So we hear this line come from him in this audio. He tells the investigator quote, if we would have been on my side, I would have blasted, essentially saying he was the one with the gun in his hand. He handed it to the fellas in the back seat. That's one of his stories. Now, Ropes, I didn't know this. Apparently it's in the book, but I'm hearing this for the first time. He explains what their night was Robes. It's remarkable how close they came to not killing Tupac that night because they couldn't find him. Ropes, I had never heard this detail before, but it's played in the courtroom. That night they went out looking for retaliation, looking for Tupac around. It's not that busy, but it's a big town, but it's only certain places people are gonna go. But they knew he was going to go to this club six' six to, Two are they? Right, yep some. Club tupac was supposed to.
00:06:54
Speaker 3: Perform the charity event he was performing.
00:06:56
Speaker 1: Here, yes they go, there wait, Around tupac doesn't show up. Anything, well they give. Up they're, done finished for their mission for the night of Finding. Tupac we're not gonna be able to get.
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Speaker 3: Them so they made a liquor store.
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Speaker 1: Run go to the liquor. Store they've they're gone on about their. Evening go to the liquor. Store robes in this trip to the liquor, store they get. Done he happens to Hear Dwayne davis Says tupac's name being. Chanted they're driving by somewhere and see, it and they see That BLACK bmw fans had Spotted tupac and the fans were yelling his, name and that's how they found. Him robes tweet talk all the time about life and, fate runways and the universe doing certain. Things to think how close he came to surviving the night.
00:07:44
Speaker 3: The fans gave him. Away, wow that's.
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Speaker 1: Crazy i'd never heard that story. Before apparently it is in his. Book but that's how they found, him and that's how it all, UNFOLDED i wrote to give an. IDEA i guess here of the tone right of this back and, forth there was a, joke there was, Light there were light moments as he's rob that comes off as he was under no threat of getting in, joy.
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Speaker 2: He wasn't worried about being held accountable for what he was. Saying and, look we know we've seen plenty of police tactics play, out but, yeah they try to make them feel, comfortable joke, around make them feel like they're with like minded folks who understand what he was going through or, get you, know get the, situation and we're not here To we're not here. To we hear that all the time when they're trying to get people to tell them what they want. To hear, like we're not here to press, you we're not here to charge, you we're not worried about.
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Speaker 3: That we just want to know what. Happened, so, yeah they're just trying to make it feel.
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Speaker 2: Comfortable and Clearly davis does feel very comfortable because after he tells the, story he's, LIKE i ain't never told nobody that, story kind of laughing it, off and the detective, says doesn't it feel? Good?
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Speaker 3: Man to get it off your.
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Speaker 2: Chest the other detective, Says oprah's going to be, like Mister, davis we really appreciate. It and then the second detective jumps in and then he'll be, like, like read my. Book, wow that's ominous now that we know he actually did, Everything but go, On, Oprah yeah he did write the.
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Speaker 1: BOOK i wonder if that's where he got the. IDEA i was just gonna say.
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Speaker 3: That did that make him, think ooh maybe one DAY i will do, That.
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Speaker 1: Robes that's wild to think you're that comfortable he is being. Roped he is actually in a room with several police officers being questioned about the two biggest unsolved murders in.
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Speaker 2: Music and this would have been twelve years after the, fact is, correct nineteen ninety six to twenty, Eight so twelve years you've gotten away with. This it's a huge, mystery and you feel so comfortable telling cops that you were a part of, it you masterminded, it and while you didn't pull the, trigger you would.
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Speaker 3: Have that's. UNBELIEVABLE i know he was.
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Speaker 2: Trying To according to what we heard in court, today he talked about all of this and he was being interviewed obviously they were investigating The Biggie smalls, murder but there were some drug charges that were hanging over his, head and if he, cooperated he felt like maybe he was going to get a pass on the their cocaine and some other sort of hardcore drug he was being investigated, for and so perhaps this was some sort of a i'll tell you, this you drop that kind of a.
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Speaker 1: Situation but grow, up there was No his defense team is trying to argue that all this was just him. Posturing he was just trying to sound, cool trying to get himself out of trouble.
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Speaker 3: Whatever man trying to get himself out of drug, CHARGES i think is what they were.
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Speaker 2: Claiming but to, me, LOOK i, understand and we'll explain why he wasn't. Prosecuted but to hear the detectives on the, tape and it actually had an audible reaction in the courtroom for them to, say nothing you say today can be used against. You nothing leaves this. Room to hear that on the tape and then to hear it being played out in a, courtroom the reporter said that some of the family members that they started to shaking their, head like here you have police saying nothing you say can be used against. You nothing leaves this, room and here we are are seeing it being used against him in a room very publicly being played for everyone to listen.
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Speaker 1: To that's on, him, Right they told him nothing you say today can be used against, you and they say later and, yeah in the. Courtroom this is the one way people gasped when they that you hear the officers say if you don't say any or here it. Is if you don't say, nothing it's. Cool but if you go out there and start, talking he's letting them know you're fine as long as you shut. Up robes to family, members this is a clear display, Now, robes it's there on. Tape police have known who killed this guy.
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Speaker 3: For a long long, time.
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Speaker 1: And for whatever reasons their. Tactics maybe Was Keystone, coppish maybe.
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Speaker 3: It was maybe they did don't.
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Speaker 1: Care maybe but either, Way, robes that is a hard one to stomach for, families and, yes for fans and from people who love hip hop that this, Like, wow, cops.
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Speaker 2: Y'all knew who Killed. Tupac he was bragging about Killing Tupac shaker and you all told him you were.
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Speaker 3: Cool just don't tell anyone.
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Speaker 1: Else you told him to write a, book you joked with him about being On. Oprah. Robes the family should be.
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Speaker 3: Fuming i'm sure they.
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Speaker 1: Are i'm a little hot. That it's tough to, stomach, babe when you talk about the relationship with all the time when the black, community certainly the hip hop, community to the rap community with police officers and how they get treated and they rap about it all the. Time it's been part of the. Culture robes to hear, this you knew Who he looked you in the face and, said, YEP i did, it and y'all, said, man that's gonna be a good episode ON oprah one. DAY i can't wait to read your. Book, bye enjoy your. Day thanks for your. Cooperation as long as you don't talk out there that we can do to you. Peace that's, stunning that's. Awful maybe up for an, investigation, potentially, Absolutely but for what this case, is that's pretty remarkable to. See but stay. Here his defense lawyer keeps, Saying, hey my client just be. Lying, well we did find at least One robes discrepancy in the stories That Dwayne davis has told over the. Years you be the judge if it's big enough of a discrepancy to think he's.
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Speaker 2: Lying welcome back To amy AND. Tj it was ANOTHER i, mean it was a wild. DAY i know we say this all the time in, court but to actually hear a man in his own, words, yes we, know we can read it in his, book but to hear him tell police in two thousand and eight that he was a part of the group that targeted and Killed Tupac. Shakur and the fact that cops have known about this for all these years and were just now in twenty twenty six seeing the man who fully admitted he was responsible held responsible in, court but only because he kept telling people he wrote about, it he profited from.
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Speaker 1: It maybe he forgot about the. Deal surely he consulted with an, attorney because he had an, attorney a good one in two thousand and eight to get him a pretty good. Deal you.
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Speaker 3: Know it's it's interesting anyone who's written a.
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Speaker 2: MEMOIR i don't know how many people out there have done, it but anytime you tell any story that might implicate someone else or yourself in. Something AND i had something in my in one of my in my only Book i've ever. Written but, yes it was heavily. Lawyered the publisher doesn't want to be held accountable for anything that could point the finger at someone else or cause or be the trigger for any sort of legal. Action these things are heavily vetted and, reviewed not only by your own, attorneys but by the publisher's. Attorneys SO i actually did have that. Thought how in the hell was this something that everyone felt okay with?
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Speaker 1: Publishing maybe it was self published by a small little imprint.
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Speaker 3: Somewhere, POSSIBLE i don't. KNOW i don't know. Either OH i had to.
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Speaker 1: Do but he's gone on, Subsequently, robes he's been on, podcasts he's done, interviews he talked about, this telling the story.
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Speaker 2: Who he clearly felt like he had a deal with police that he would not be.
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Speaker 1: Charged, so, yes that, deal that profer, deal has apparently broken down now because they're saying once he started talking all immunity if you, will that he got all bets are. Off, However, robes his attorney keeps, saying it so wild for an attorney to look at a jury and, say don't believe my. Plan he just. Lies he's just.
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Speaker 3: Lies if his lips are, moving he's.
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Speaker 1: Lying that is his the, okay so at least one thing robes there's a discrepancy in his storytelling between the story he tells police and the interviews we're just talking, about and a story he tells in his Book You Be The judge, wrote how big of a discrepancy discrepancy is over how the gun actually got into the back?
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Speaker 2: Seat and it would Be and the reason why this is important to the defense is because if if one of the versions is, correct then he didn't necessarily hand the gun over to the. Gunman so, yes the issue is how the gun that Killed Tupac shakur got into the back seat in the first.
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Speaker 3: Place there was also some discrepancy as where they left it as.
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Speaker 2: Well but in the interview that he gave to, police he told the detectives that he himself handed the gun to the fellas in the back because he didn't have a clear.
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Speaker 3: Shot.
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Speaker 1: Correct, yes because he was on the opposite. Side he's in the passenger. Side the vehicle is actually pulled up on the right side Of tupac's. Vehicle he's in the passenger, seat so he wasn't in a good, end so he claims he handed it to the Back he hands it to the guy who's in the back seat that's closest To, tupac but that dude didn't want to, Shoot so the other guy who was in the backseat actually ends up being the one doing the. Shooting that's the story he tells to. Police the story in the book robes this made it seem like it, WAS i, guess backing off his. Responsibility, well that's.
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Speaker 2: Exactly what it, is because when he told police, that and it makes total sense that they were looking For, tupac, correct and they found, him and the guy who ended up pulling the trigger was the guy who got his ass beat in the casino, earlier so it would make sense that he would be the, one and he tossed it back to, him. Right so in his, Book Dwayne davis says he tossed the gun in the back seat earlier at the liquor. Store and then he also claimed in the book that it was when they pulled up next To tupac they saw him reaching for what they believed to be would be a, gun and so it almost felt like it was a defensive tactic in his book to shoot the first shot before a shot came at, them That tupac was planning to shoot their, car and they just got the gun out. Quicker the bullets started flying first Before tupac ever got a chance to pull out his.
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Speaker 1: Gun so he is lying.
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Speaker 3: One of the versions is not.
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Speaker 1: True, Okay but if if we go with the book, version is he not guilty of? Anything are you going to look at?
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Speaker 2: That you can't do a preemptive, defense, RIGHT i, mean if you don't know he thought he.
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Speaker 3: Was reaching for the, gun that doesn't make a lot of.
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Speaker 2: Sense and if he tossed the gun in the, back obviously that would mean he didn't basically direct somebody to Shoot.
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Speaker 1: Tupac so is that a good? Defense is that what he's going to stand? By? That? YEP i was just riding that. NIGHT i got me a bala, ALAS i was good to.
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Speaker 2: GO i, MEAN i guess that will be his defense that he tossed the gun back, earlier didn't know that anyone in the back seat was going to try to Shoot. TUPAC i, mean that would be the only AND i guess if that is what he wrote in his, book that's what they would more than likely lean on in terms of defending, him that he didn't know that anyone in the back seat was going to Shoot, tupac and he certainly didn't direct anyone in the back seat to Shoot.
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Speaker 1: Tupac that's my, Line i'm sticking to.
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Speaker 3: It and everyone else in the car is. Dead so what you're gonna? Do which version of WHAT i said do you?
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Speaker 1: Believe which lie is more. Believable it is so wild that this is a. Defense he just. Lying he made all that story. Up he didn't do all this. Stuff they continue today that we back at it today In, vegas wrapping up a full. Week this has been the first full week of this, trial and they are expected to have a full. DAY i do believe today as. Well our eyes are on, it. FOLKS i appreciate you spending some time with us ON. Tj That's ropes talk. Soon