Sept. 22, 2025
Trump To Pregnant Women: “Don’t take Tylenol. Don’t Take It”
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RSS Feed President Trump, flanked by RFK Jr and Dr. Mehmet Oz delivered an adamant directive to pregnant women, going so far as to tell women to “tough it out” rather than take Tylenol.
T.J. gets Amy’s take on her reaction to watching the presser that included misinformation and a major mispronunciation.
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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, September twenty second, and the President of the United States says, don't take tailan all, don't take it and with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. I'm not sure what we just watched, but the President of the United States just came out and told pregnant women that they should not take the only pain reliever that is available to them.
00:00:26
Speaker 2: He also told us basically like to suck it up. If we're in significant pain, just try to bear it. Just don't take it.
00:00:34
Speaker 1: You know. That's especially something I want to ask you about because you've been pregnant twice and we're going to get into that. But bottom line, this is the big autism announcement that he teased that the Charlie Kirk memorial. He said this was going to be the announcement, and Robes he stepped out and kind of set us up. He said, this is one of the most important meetings he had hoped for in twenty years or something he's been waiting for, and this was going to be a game changing announcement. Ultimately, the announcement is that they believe there is a whey they say a potential association between thailandol that pregnant women take when they do take it, and an increase risk in autism.
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Speaker 2: I as a woman and having been a pregnant woman, and I definitely took thailand all. Not all the time, but certainly there are things that happened to you, as they happen to any human being, where you get a fever, you're suffering, you're in pain, you have difficulty, and thailand al is the only thing you can take. We can't take at but we can't take aspirin, we can't take any prescription drugs whatsoever. I had a horrific case of poison IVY and I couldn't take pregnant zone and it lasted for over a month. And guess what I took benadryl and thilanol. I was miserable. I was sobbing, and thank god I was able to take those two things. Look, if they could say without a doubt, definitively there was a cause and effect relationship here, of course, But I just think it's a little frightening that they're jumping to conclusions that I don't believe any other organization, reputable medical organization, reputable scientists have even come close to saying, and what.
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Speaker 1: You said as a pregnant woman, that was your only option when you were going through all kinds of hell. You didn't have options. So the President said, don't take it. And he said by not taking it, well, what's the harm in just not taking it? And I see we hear a lot of doctors sounding the alarm from a medical perspective, but just also for a pregnant woman from a comfort perspective.
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Speaker 2: Stress.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's saying there's no harm in not taking it.
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Speaker 2: And I'm just going to say, as someone who was pregnant, that is offensive because it's also not true. If you are extremely stressed, from severe pain, from severe inflammation, from a significant fever, there are risks to your fetus period. So to dismiss that to say also that at all costs you should suffer and we're not sure you need to, but you should do it anyway because you might possibly but we can't prove that you're doing any harm to your child, but by suffering, you can do harm to your child. I even had my obgyn tell me that in the third trimester. And I know that this has been a controversial thing and we've seen studies where they tell women they can moderately drink or they can, excuse me, be light drinkers and there's no harm to the fetus. You can have a drink a day and essentially it does nothing to your fetus. I remember my obgyn saying, Hey, if you've had a particularly stressful day, and once a week or once a month, whatever, you want to have a glass of wine, have the glass of wine. I'd rather have you be stress free then, and if that's going to help do it. She's like, it's not something you should do every day, it's not something you should do in excess. But it actually isn't what we claim it is.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: I didn't. I chose not to because I was way too afraid. I said, I don't need drink that bad butt to that point. Now we're telling women they can't even have tailand all if they're suffering and they're in pain.
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Speaker 1: Yes, the President of the United States from the White House today said tailanol is not good, and I quote so taking thailand al is not good. I'll say it, it's not good. The President of the United State gave a directive to pregnant women today that essentially gives them a warning or should we take this differently? Information is good, right, did he tell us anything that we didn't already know, or he just from his pulpit now is sounding an alarm that is going to cause confusion.
00:04:43
Speaker 2: Babe. I can't take what he said seriously when he also made some other statements that I know aren't serious. For instance him saying that one in twelve boys in California are now autistic.
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Speaker 1: I haven't dragged down those numbers. The ual.
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Speaker 2: Verifiable numbers is that it's one in thirty one, not boys, one in thirty one children.
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Speaker 1: CDC says, yes.
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Speaker 2: That's according to the CDC. He did say that as well, but then he went on to say that it's even more severe in certain areas, and he named California where he said one in twelve boys, not one in twelve children. And then something else he said That makes it pretty difficult for me to take anything he said seriously. Is when he said there are certain groups of people who don't take vaccines and have no autism. And then he turned to RFK Junior and said, is that a correct statement?
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Speaker 1: By the way. Okay, that was a momentum was that our laugh out loud moment. Yes, okay, that was a pretty stunning moment, folks, when you're talking about one of the most important health announcements ever. Is what he said, And he made a statement. He made the President made a statement to America. And then he turned to someone to his right and said, is that a correct statement?
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Speaker 2: By the way, Look, you've heard me. When we're joking around talking about something, I'll say something and then I'll say, wait, I don't know, was that right. We've all done that. You don't do it at a press conference as the president of the United States, saying that you're giving one of the most press conferences, most important press conferences in decades.
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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm giving a benefit of that.
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Speaker 2: And then he tried to say it was the homage, but then he wasn't sure.
00:06:25
Speaker 1: I mean it. Oh yeah, he's at the omish.
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Speaker 2: He ended up trying to say that the homage, there's no homage people who have autism.
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Speaker 1: And you will have some doctors refute that to say that among vaccinated and unvaccinated. He was trying to make a point later about vaccines even to make that connection. It's just it's it's not the case. According to doctors. This was a it was. It was interesting. It was bizarkrear.
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Speaker 2: May I also point out and look, this just makes me concerned. I've mispronounced words a million times. And when I don't know how to say someone's name, I'll admit it. I'll say something to you like, hey, you got my back. I don't know how to say this athlete.
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Speaker 1: These moments, right, everybody has these.
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Speaker 2: But if you're about to give I'm going to say this again, one of the most important press conferences that is going to radically change healthcare in America, and you've been waiting twenty years for it. You think before you got in front of the mic, you would know the word a set of menefit, which is exactly the drug that's the active ingredient in tilan all. But that is exactly the drug that they are now targeting and saying is no good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we all have a moment. It looks funny on paper. If he just had to say it, he probably could have rolled it right off his tongue. But looking down at it, it looks weird, like my first name, right, Lutilius rolls off of the tongue. But if you see it on paper, it'll miss you up.
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Speaker 2: But it'd be like I'm about to marry you and I say I'm taking you and then I don't know how to say your name.
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Speaker 1: Okay, but we were reading equivalent what I'm saying. If you read equivalent, but if you had to read it.
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Speaker 2: Still say its I thrown you saying.
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Speaker 1: Maybe he was a nervous I mean the public speaking, he doesn't do a lot of nervous. What I'm saying is I don't want to get hung up.
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Speaker 2: It was.
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Speaker 1: It was bordering on embarrassing. People have bad moments, but he got really hung up and couldn't say a set of metaphine and almost looked around and asked for help or help on saying the word. It was just it was an.
00:08:20
Speaker 2: Awful and look for me, I just want to point this out. I am not I am trying to. I'm looking at all of this as a as a journalist, someone who is watching this with an objective viewpoint. So I'm not here to, you know, take a stand on where he is. But I'm just looking at the facts, and I'm looking at how they were presented, and I have a lot of questions, and I have a lot of questions because this is a really serious statement that he's made and a very serious directive that he's making that is going to affect a lot of people, a lot of children, a lot of women. And so I think we have to ask questions. In fact, he even said, in terms of of people who were skeptical about the skepticism, instead of attacking those who ask questions, you should thank them. So I'm actually saying we still need to ask a lot of questions something this serious. And so I'm just when I was watching this press conference, I just I actually couldn't even believe what I was watching.
00:09:18
Speaker 1: I love that someone would dive into it to want to attract this question. I'm okay, I'm okay with it being on the forefront. I where's the danger there when we're talking about an answer and again, you're a again women, How does a woman take a pregnant woman right now? How does she receive this news?
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Speaker 2: It's scary because you're told, if you want to relieve your pain, you might be permanently neurologically damaging your child.
00:09:52
Speaker 1: Was there any evidence what evid There wasn't evidence offered today. They didn't direct anyone to any studies. Necessarily, there is a and again they used it today. We talked earlier in the previous episode about language, what correlation and causation, and they use what potential correlation?
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Speaker 2: A potential correlation, not causation, and so there is a distinct difference between those two. But yes, I actually we would encourage you if you haven't listened to the episode before this. We actually did some of the research and went to go see. There's been several recent studies that have been done and they do conflict with each other, but from the most esteemed organizations from UH basically JAMMA to Harvard to Johns Hopkins. So we go through all of this and look, the jury's out is the point, and there is a potential correlation, but no one has claimed there's a causation.
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Speaker 1: I found it. They called it a potential association.
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Speaker 2: There you go.
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Speaker 1: That's the one that RFK Junior use during it.
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Speaker 2: But that's a big difference between a causation and information is good. Doing the research is great. Making sure you know how you feel about things before you take them. That's a personal choice. So I and I, that's awesome to have these things to be able to look to and research and figure out on your own but it is a big deal when the President makes a directive like this.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and yes, we need to be clear. He didn't just come out make statements. They are putting action behind it. They are telling the FDA they are going to direct or send a note a notice out to physicians telling them, yes, in fact, warning them and strongly recommending that women limit the use of tail and all unless medically necessary. Now, the President used some language today that I can wait to get Robot's take on, because the President said on more than one occasion during the press conference today that some women might need to take talent off and maybe be putting their child at risk if they can't tough it out. Hey, we continue here on Amy and TJ. After a pretty incredible press conference that was billed as a really important press conference, a historical one.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he's been waiting to get for twenty years.
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Speaker 1: Yes, in which the President has said they are going to direct the FDA to actually send out notices. Two physicians across the country saying that they believe there is a potential association between pregnant women taking thailanol or ceeda metaphine during pregnancy possible link to autism. The president flat out said to pregnant women, do not take this stuff. He didn't mince words, he made sure he was clear in what he was saying. We got a statement, you've been watching the stock price, Oh goodness for Kinvu. You all don't know that name, Kinvu, but that is the company that makes Thailandol. They came out Talanol has a statement on their website, and they were telling people there's no association. But Kinvu had to put out a statement a short time ago.
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Speaker 2: That's right, and so this is what they had to say. We strongly disagree with any suggestion otherwise and are deeply concerned with the health risk this poses for expecting mothers.
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Speaker 1: And the health risk. The risk there is that some is a woman going to suffer because she now thinks, oh my goodness, talanol is bad, and what she's doing is hurting herself and possibly hurting that child by not treating her fever or an infection or whatever she might have at the time. This is some would say, dangerous stuff and territory that we're in right now.
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Speaker 2: Yes, coming from someone who didn't seem to know what he was even saying in moments, and so that was really difficult. And for him to say to women, yes, if you feel you can't tough it out, if you can't tough it out, if you can't do it, then go ahead, but you shouldn't. That is what he said. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Think about like you and you're pregnant. You might break an arm, you might break a leg. There's a lot of things that happen to humans, and it happens to humans who were pregnant, and so you're just supposed to tough it out because of a pot like this makes no sense to me. And he even said there isn't an alternative. I'm sorry, Yeah, there's really nothing else you can take, because even oh, advil, He went and talked about advil and your profen and aspernad. Yes, we know we can't take any of those things. But now the one thing we could take, you can't take that either.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, there were moments. Now I'm gonna rap with getting your answer to that about toughing it out. I do want to mention there were times as serious as this topic is, that we chuckled because the president. They mentioned vaccines as well, and he was making a point that they now believe that vaccine should be spread out. Don't give it to the baby.
00:15:05
Speaker 2: At one time, four five times, four times. I was like, I don't really know what you're saying. He's saying to extend it. What he was saying wasn't making sense. I was trying to figure out what he was saying. So he's saying, the current schedule, it's all too consolidate it at one time, so you do it over five times four times. I guess he's saying extend.
00:15:23
Speaker 1: It, Yeah, over time.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, he didn't say it in a way that made any sense.
00:15:27
Speaker 1: But he was saying the way he was saying it. Describing an infant getting vaccine, he said, to take this beautiful little baby and they pump them with all of this.
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Speaker 2: Load it up with stuff. They just pump it up. But he basically what my concern was. He made it sound like we are and some people may believe this, and that's fine, but he, without any scientific backing, said that we're basically pumping up and loading up our little beautiful, perfect babies like horses with all of this fluid it and pumping them up.
00:16:03
Speaker 1: And that was his word. By the way, he like horses, we said that, But what.
00:16:07
Speaker 2: Vaccines have done. I just need to say this as a daughter of a microbiologist and a sister of a physician who strongly believe in the vaccine protocol. They've saved millions of lives. So these aren't just poisonous, evil things that we're pumping into our perfect children. These are protectors. That is the whole point, not just of your child, but of your neighbor's child. And in the communities we live in, and look, I understand there are a lot of folks who have concerns and want different scheduling, and I think we can all. I think it's great to ask questions. I think it's great to do research. I think it's very good to consider should we spread them out? What's the harm in that? Great? I think all of those things are all plausible and important to consider and reconsider when we have more information. So it's not as if I or I think a lot of folks are against constantly scrutinizing this and making sure we're doing it the right way and when and how we should be. But to just basically demonize all vaccines, That's what I heard from him today, and it was and that is dangerous.
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Speaker 1: It is again the way he said it was it was extraordinary to watch the last thing here. I was thinking about this earlier and how we were going to talk about it right before we came on, and I'm like, I don't have to think about it. I just need to ask you about it. To hear the president you've experienced two pregnancies, and to hear someone and again, I want to give an allow a little for this is just kind of how he talks, like in being colloquial and right tough it out, It is kind of a gruff way he kind of goes about it. I want to allow for a little bit of that's just how he kind of speaks. And he meant no offense, but how does that sound to a woman and who's been pregnant, who's gone through a couple of pregnancies, anyone who's been pregnant To be told that if you can't, if you need medicine, that's just a matter of you not being able to tough it out.
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Speaker 2: It reminds me of some of the shame that I felt. And I think a lot of women who are listening to this might understand. And look, I have nothing against anyone who chooses to have a natural childbirth, But in return, I did not appreciate a lot of the judgment that some people will give you for having an epidural, because they claim putting that epidural in your spinal column could potentially have an impact on the baby, and you're actually being not a good mom from the get go by choosing to have a pain free or a much less painful delivery, because they're not pain free, but a much less painful delivery. And there was a lot Really, are you sure? Have you done the reads search? Are you sure you want the epidural? I just feel like there's so much shame around women's choices as mothers and whether or not their comfort or their bodies matter at all, if all of a sudden, we're just a vessel and we're here just to serve, and what we feel and what we think and what we need don't matter. I think both things matter, and so it is a sore subject, and we could even get into it goes into whether or not I couldn't breastfeed. Suddenly now I'm a bad mother because I'm pulling out formula. It's just I feel like there's just so much shame around choices that sometimes we don't have a choice over, but sometimes just the choices that we do make that are best for us, that are best for our personal lives. So I don't judge anyone else's choice. And they don't want to vaccinate, and they want to live in a community where that's acceptable, that's great, knock yourself out. But I just feel like to have the president tell women to tough, I mean, he really It wasn't even like he implied it or he just said, I know it's hard. It was like, suck it up, buttercup, and.
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Speaker 1: I just I.
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Speaker 2: Did take issue with it. I thought it was wildly insensitive and not based in science that I'm ready to accept.
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Speaker 1: You know, it didn't feel at that point based in sympathy. Just there's some things I will never be able to understand. Men will never be able to I just won't be able to understand what that feels like to be breaknant.
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Speaker 2: Three men standing up there telling women to suck it up. Now, I know I didn't see her eye weird. It turned it off by then, And I know they had mothers there who obviously are hurting and suffering because their children have autism, and I have the deepest sympathy and have friends who are in that position, and so I I don't know personally, but I can sympathize. But it doesn't mean that one size fits all and that suddenly what this press conference was is the remedy to solve the issue. And I do know. I mean I heard RFK acknowledge that it's a multi faceted disease that is not there's no single remedy, So I did at least appreciate that that was acknowledged. But yeah, that was a tough one to watch.
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Speaker 1: Well, folks, this debate will not be over the robes. Appreciate you as always with your honesty. I didn't know I was going to ask you that until the end, but I'm glad I asked you. But I was curious to hear your perspective on being told to tough it out.
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Speaker 2: So I think you already knew my answer. And I am a tough cookie. I've been through a lot, but it doesn't mean that I needed to hear that.
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Speaker 1: Man, you cry about it though, all the time.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm an emotional I'm kidding.
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Speaker 1: I'm joking. Geez, all right, folks, Wherever you are, we appreciate you as always hanging with us. We'll talk to you all Rosson
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, September twenty second, and the President of the United States says, don't take tailan all, don't take it and with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. I'm not sure what we just watched, but the President of the United States just came out and told pregnant women that they should not take the only pain reliever that is available to them.
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Speaker 2: He also told us basically like to suck it up. If we're in significant pain, just try to bear it. Just don't take it.
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Speaker 1: You know. That's especially something I want to ask you about because you've been pregnant twice and we're going to get into that. But bottom line, this is the big autism announcement that he teased that the Charlie Kirk memorial. He said this was going to be the announcement, and Robes he stepped out and kind of set us up. He said, this is one of the most important meetings he had hoped for in twenty years or something he's been waiting for, and this was going to be a game changing announcement. Ultimately, the announcement is that they believe there is a whey they say a potential association between thailandol that pregnant women take when they do take it, and an increase risk in autism.
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Speaker 2: I as a woman and having been a pregnant woman, and I definitely took thailand all. Not all the time, but certainly there are things that happened to you, as they happen to any human being, where you get a fever, you're suffering, you're in pain, you have difficulty, and thailand al is the only thing you can take. We can't take at but we can't take aspirin, we can't take any prescription drugs whatsoever. I had a horrific case of poison IVY and I couldn't take pregnant zone and it lasted for over a month. And guess what I took benadryl and thilanol. I was miserable. I was sobbing, and thank god I was able to take those two things. Look, if they could say without a doubt, definitively there was a cause and effect relationship here, of course, But I just think it's a little frightening that they're jumping to conclusions that I don't believe any other organization, reputable medical organization, reputable scientists have even come close to saying, and what.
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Speaker 1: You said as a pregnant woman, that was your only option when you were going through all kinds of hell. You didn't have options. So the President said, don't take it. And he said by not taking it, well, what's the harm in just not taking it? And I see we hear a lot of doctors sounding the alarm from a medical perspective, but just also for a pregnant woman from a comfort perspective.
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Speaker 2: Stress.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's saying there's no harm in not taking it.
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Speaker 2: And I'm just going to say, as someone who was pregnant, that is offensive because it's also not true. If you are extremely stressed, from severe pain, from severe inflammation, from a significant fever, there are risks to your fetus period. So to dismiss that to say also that at all costs you should suffer and we're not sure you need to, but you should do it anyway because you might possibly but we can't prove that you're doing any harm to your child, but by suffering, you can do harm to your child. I even had my obgyn tell me that in the third trimester. And I know that this has been a controversial thing and we've seen studies where they tell women they can moderately drink or they can, excuse me, be light drinkers and there's no harm to the fetus. You can have a drink a day and essentially it does nothing to your fetus. I remember my obgyn saying, Hey, if you've had a particularly stressful day, and once a week or once a month, whatever, you want to have a glass of wine, have the glass of wine. I'd rather have you be stress free then, and if that's going to help do it. She's like, it's not something you should do every day, it's not something you should do in excess. But it actually isn't what we claim it is.
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Speaker 1: Now.
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Speaker 2: I didn't. I chose not to because I was way too afraid. I said, I don't need drink that bad butt to that point. Now we're telling women they can't even have tailand all if they're suffering and they're in pain.
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Speaker 1: Yes, the President of the United States from the White House today said tailanol is not good, and I quote so taking thailand al is not good. I'll say it, it's not good. The President of the United State gave a directive to pregnant women today that essentially gives them a warning or should we take this differently? Information is good, right, did he tell us anything that we didn't already know, or he just from his pulpit now is sounding an alarm that is going to cause confusion.
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Speaker 2: Babe. I can't take what he said seriously when he also made some other statements that I know aren't serious. For instance him saying that one in twelve boys in California are now autistic.
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Speaker 1: I haven't dragged down those numbers. The ual.
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Speaker 2: Verifiable numbers is that it's one in thirty one, not boys, one in thirty one children.
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Speaker 1: CDC says, yes.
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Speaker 2: That's according to the CDC. He did say that as well, but then he went on to say that it's even more severe in certain areas, and he named California where he said one in twelve boys, not one in twelve children. And then something else he said That makes it pretty difficult for me to take anything he said seriously. Is when he said there are certain groups of people who don't take vaccines and have no autism. And then he turned to RFK Junior and said, is that a correct statement?
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Speaker 1: By the way. Okay, that was a momentum was that our laugh out loud moment. Yes, okay, that was a pretty stunning moment, folks, when you're talking about one of the most important health announcements ever. Is what he said, And he made a statement. He made the President made a statement to America. And then he turned to someone to his right and said, is that a correct statement?
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Speaker 2: By the way, Look, you've heard me. When we're joking around talking about something, I'll say something and then I'll say, wait, I don't know, was that right. We've all done that. You don't do it at a press conference as the president of the United States, saying that you're giving one of the most press conferences, most important press conferences in decades.
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Speaker 1: Hey, I'm giving a benefit of that.
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Speaker 2: And then he tried to say it was the homage, but then he wasn't sure.
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Speaker 1: I mean it. Oh yeah, he's at the omish.
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Speaker 2: He ended up trying to say that the homage, there's no homage people who have autism.
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Speaker 1: And you will have some doctors refute that to say that among vaccinated and unvaccinated. He was trying to make a point later about vaccines even to make that connection. It's just it's it's not the case. According to doctors. This was a it was. It was interesting. It was bizarkrear.
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Speaker 2: May I also point out and look, this just makes me concerned. I've mispronounced words a million times. And when I don't know how to say someone's name, I'll admit it. I'll say something to you like, hey, you got my back. I don't know how to say this athlete.
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Speaker 1: These moments, right, everybody has these.
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Speaker 2: But if you're about to give I'm going to say this again, one of the most important press conferences that is going to radically change healthcare in America, and you've been waiting twenty years for it. You think before you got in front of the mic, you would know the word a set of menefit, which is exactly the drug that's the active ingredient in tilan all. But that is exactly the drug that they are now targeting and saying is no good.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, we all have a moment. It looks funny on paper. If he just had to say it, he probably could have rolled it right off his tongue. But looking down at it, it looks weird, like my first name, right, Lutilius rolls off of the tongue. But if you see it on paper, it'll miss you up.
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Speaker 2: But it'd be like I'm about to marry you and I say I'm taking you and then I don't know how to say your name.
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Speaker 1: Okay, but we were reading equivalent what I'm saying. If you read equivalent, but if you had to read it.
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Speaker 2: Still say its I thrown you saying.
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Speaker 1: Maybe he was a nervous I mean the public speaking, he doesn't do a lot of nervous. What I'm saying is I don't want to get hung up.
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Speaker 2: It was.
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Speaker 1: It was bordering on embarrassing. People have bad moments, but he got really hung up and couldn't say a set of metaphine and almost looked around and asked for help or help on saying the word. It was just it was an.
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Speaker 2: Awful and look for me, I just want to point this out. I am not I am trying to. I'm looking at all of this as a as a journalist, someone who is watching this with an objective viewpoint. So I'm not here to, you know, take a stand on where he is. But I'm just looking at the facts, and I'm looking at how they were presented, and I have a lot of questions, and I have a lot of questions because this is a really serious statement that he's made and a very serious directive that he's making that is going to affect a lot of people, a lot of children, a lot of women. And so I think we have to ask questions. In fact, he even said, in terms of of people who were skeptical about the skepticism, instead of attacking those who ask questions, you should thank them. So I'm actually saying we still need to ask a lot of questions something this serious. And so I'm just when I was watching this press conference, I just I actually couldn't even believe what I was watching.
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Speaker 1: I love that someone would dive into it to want to attract this question. I'm okay, I'm okay with it being on the forefront. I where's the danger there when we're talking about an answer and again, you're a again women, How does a woman take a pregnant woman right now? How does she receive this news?
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Speaker 2: It's scary because you're told, if you want to relieve your pain, you might be permanently neurologically damaging your child.
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Speaker 1: Was there any evidence what evid There wasn't evidence offered today. They didn't direct anyone to any studies. Necessarily, there is a and again they used it today. We talked earlier in the previous episode about language, what correlation and causation, and they use what potential correlation?
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Speaker 2: A potential correlation, not causation, and so there is a distinct difference between those two. But yes, I actually we would encourage you if you haven't listened to the episode before this. We actually did some of the research and went to go see. There's been several recent studies that have been done and they do conflict with each other, but from the most esteemed organizations from UH basically JAMMA to Harvard to Johns Hopkins. So we go through all of this and look, the jury's out is the point, and there is a potential correlation, but no one has claimed there's a causation.
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Speaker 1: I found it. They called it a potential association.
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Speaker 2: There you go.
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Speaker 1: That's the one that RFK Junior use during it.
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Speaker 2: But that's a big difference between a causation and information is good. Doing the research is great. Making sure you know how you feel about things before you take them. That's a personal choice. So I and I, that's awesome to have these things to be able to look to and research and figure out on your own but it is a big deal when the President makes a directive like this.
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Speaker 1: Okay, and yes, we need to be clear. He didn't just come out make statements. They are putting action behind it. They are telling the FDA they are going to direct or send a note a notice out to physicians telling them, yes, in fact, warning them and strongly recommending that women limit the use of tail and all unless medically necessary. Now, the President used some language today that I can wait to get Robot's take on, because the President said on more than one occasion during the press conference today that some women might need to take talent off and maybe be putting their child at risk if they can't tough it out. Hey, we continue here on Amy and TJ. After a pretty incredible press conference that was billed as a really important press conference, a historical one.
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Speaker 2: Yes, he's been waiting to get for twenty years.
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Speaker 1: Yes, in which the President has said they are going to direct the FDA to actually send out notices. Two physicians across the country saying that they believe there is a potential association between pregnant women taking thailanol or ceeda metaphine during pregnancy possible link to autism. The president flat out said to pregnant women, do not take this stuff. He didn't mince words, he made sure he was clear in what he was saying. We got a statement, you've been watching the stock price, Oh goodness for Kinvu. You all don't know that name, Kinvu, but that is the company that makes Thailandol. They came out Talanol has a statement on their website, and they were telling people there's no association. But Kinvu had to put out a statement a short time ago.
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Speaker 2: That's right, and so this is what they had to say. We strongly disagree with any suggestion otherwise and are deeply concerned with the health risk this poses for expecting mothers.
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Speaker 1: And the health risk. The risk there is that some is a woman going to suffer because she now thinks, oh my goodness, talanol is bad, and what she's doing is hurting herself and possibly hurting that child by not treating her fever or an infection or whatever she might have at the time. This is some would say, dangerous stuff and territory that we're in right now.
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Speaker 2: Yes, coming from someone who didn't seem to know what he was even saying in moments, and so that was really difficult. And for him to say to women, yes, if you feel you can't tough it out, if you can't tough it out, if you can't do it, then go ahead, but you shouldn't. That is what he said. I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Think about like you and you're pregnant. You might break an arm, you might break a leg. There's a lot of things that happen to humans, and it happens to humans who were pregnant, and so you're just supposed to tough it out because of a pot like this makes no sense to me. And he even said there isn't an alternative. I'm sorry, Yeah, there's really nothing else you can take, because even oh, advil, He went and talked about advil and your profen and aspernad. Yes, we know we can't take any of those things. But now the one thing we could take, you can't take that either.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god. Okay, there were moments. Now I'm gonna rap with getting your answer to that about toughing it out. I do want to mention there were times as serious as this topic is, that we chuckled because the president. They mentioned vaccines as well, and he was making a point that they now believe that vaccine should be spread out. Don't give it to the baby.
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Speaker 2: At one time, four five times, four times. I was like, I don't really know what you're saying. He's saying to extend it. What he was saying wasn't making sense. I was trying to figure out what he was saying. So he's saying, the current schedule, it's all too consolidate it at one time, so you do it over five times four times. I guess he's saying extend.
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Speaker 1: It, Yeah, over time.
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Speaker 2: But yeah, he didn't say it in a way that made any sense.
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Speaker 1: But he was saying the way he was saying it. Describing an infant getting vaccine, he said, to take this beautiful little baby and they pump them with all of this.
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Speaker 2: Load it up with stuff. They just pump it up. But he basically what my concern was. He made it sound like we are and some people may believe this, and that's fine, but he, without any scientific backing, said that we're basically pumping up and loading up our little beautiful, perfect babies like horses with all of this fluid it and pumping them up.
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Speaker 1: And that was his word. By the way, he like horses, we said that, But what.
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Speaker 2: Vaccines have done. I just need to say this as a daughter of a microbiologist and a sister of a physician who strongly believe in the vaccine protocol. They've saved millions of lives. So these aren't just poisonous, evil things that we're pumping into our perfect children. These are protectors. That is the whole point, not just of your child, but of your neighbor's child. And in the communities we live in, and look, I understand there are a lot of folks who have concerns and want different scheduling, and I think we can all. I think it's great to ask questions. I think it's great to do research. I think it's very good to consider should we spread them out? What's the harm in that? Great? I think all of those things are all plausible and important to consider and reconsider when we have more information. So it's not as if I or I think a lot of folks are against constantly scrutinizing this and making sure we're doing it the right way and when and how we should be. But to just basically demonize all vaccines, That's what I heard from him today, and it was and that is dangerous.
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Speaker 1: It is again the way he said it was it was extraordinary to watch the last thing here. I was thinking about this earlier and how we were going to talk about it right before we came on, and I'm like, I don't have to think about it. I just need to ask you about it. To hear the president you've experienced two pregnancies, and to hear someone and again, I want to give an allow a little for this is just kind of how he talks, like in being colloquial and right tough it out, It is kind of a gruff way he kind of goes about it. I want to allow for a little bit of that's just how he kind of speaks. And he meant no offense, but how does that sound to a woman and who's been pregnant, who's gone through a couple of pregnancies, anyone who's been pregnant To be told that if you can't, if you need medicine, that's just a matter of you not being able to tough it out.
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Speaker 2: It reminds me of some of the shame that I felt. And I think a lot of women who are listening to this might understand. And look, I have nothing against anyone who chooses to have a natural childbirth, But in return, I did not appreciate a lot of the judgment that some people will give you for having an epidural, because they claim putting that epidural in your spinal column could potentially have an impact on the baby, and you're actually being not a good mom from the get go by choosing to have a pain free or a much less painful delivery, because they're not pain free, but a much less painful delivery. And there was a lot Really, are you sure? Have you done the reads search? Are you sure you want the epidural? I just feel like there's so much shame around women's choices as mothers and whether or not their comfort or their bodies matter at all, if all of a sudden, we're just a vessel and we're here just to serve, and what we feel and what we think and what we need don't matter. I think both things matter, and so it is a sore subject, and we could even get into it goes into whether or not I couldn't breastfeed. Suddenly now I'm a bad mother because I'm pulling out formula. It's just I feel like there's just so much shame around choices that sometimes we don't have a choice over, but sometimes just the choices that we do make that are best for us, that are best for our personal lives. So I don't judge anyone else's choice. And they don't want to vaccinate, and they want to live in a community where that's acceptable, that's great, knock yourself out. But I just feel like to have the president tell women to tough, I mean, he really It wasn't even like he implied it or he just said, I know it's hard. It was like, suck it up, buttercup, and.
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Speaker 1: I just I.
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Speaker 2: Did take issue with it. I thought it was wildly insensitive and not based in science that I'm ready to accept.
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Speaker 1: You know, it didn't feel at that point based in sympathy. Just there's some things I will never be able to understand. Men will never be able to I just won't be able to understand what that feels like to be breaknant.
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Speaker 2: Three men standing up there telling women to suck it up. Now, I know I didn't see her eye weird. It turned it off by then, And I know they had mothers there who obviously are hurting and suffering because their children have autism, and I have the deepest sympathy and have friends who are in that position, and so I I don't know personally, but I can sympathize. But it doesn't mean that one size fits all and that suddenly what this press conference was is the remedy to solve the issue. And I do know. I mean I heard RFK acknowledge that it's a multi faceted disease that is not there's no single remedy, So I did at least appreciate that that was acknowledged. But yeah, that was a tough one to watch.
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Speaker 1: Well, folks, this debate will not be over the robes. Appreciate you as always with your honesty. I didn't know I was going to ask you that until the end, but I'm glad I asked you. But I was curious to hear your perspective on being told to tough it out.
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Speaker 2: So I think you already knew my answer. And I am a tough cookie. I've been through a lot, but it doesn't mean that I needed to hear that.
00:21:40
Speaker 1: Man, you cry about it though, all the time.
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm an emotional I'm kidding.
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Speaker 1: I'm joking. Geez, all right, folks, Wherever you are, we appreciate you as always hanging with us. We'll talk to you all Rosson