Oct. 26, 2026
Trump Calls Out Nicki Minaj’s “Helluva Beautiful Ass” At Rally
Rapper Nicki Minaj was on the campaign trail with President Trump over the weekend, when Trump asked her stand up after telling everyone what a beautiful ass she has, saying “that’s hard to miss.” The White House then teased on X that Minaj may be Trump’s new press secretary. Fox News described the incident as Trump paying a “show stopping compliment” to Minaj, but did you know the history behind Minaj’s behind? The rapper has been very vocal and outspoken about her butt injections and why she got them in the first place.
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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, October 26th, and the president is really getting all kinds of criticism because he commented on a woman's physical appearance. Not just any woman, and not just any body part of this woman. She's actually famous for it. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. The president comments on women's appearance all the time. Why is this different?
00:00:29
Speaker 2: Well, usually he is telling them they're unattractive or they need to smile more.
00:00:34
Speaker 1: That's true.
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Speaker 2: Or that sort of thing where he's actually disparaging how they look, Miss Piggy, et cetera. We could go on and on. It's rare that he gives another woman a comment, a positive comment, but like a sexually positive comment.
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Speaker 1: Was it?
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Speaker 2: I feel like it is. When you say someone's beautiful, when you say you like a dress someone's wearing, that's one thing. But when you talk about someone's ass, I feel like that is sexual in nature.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it wild that the President of the United States was on a stage this weekend going, look at that ass. He actually was speaking in a manner that even my boys in private... We get to a certain age, we get past that. We don't talk like that. Rose, the president was in front of a crowd and told the woman to stand up. Show him that ass. And this is not just any woman. And this is not just any ass. Can we say ass the rest of this?
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Speaker 2: What are we going to do here? I think we can because the president said it.
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Speaker 1: Is that what we're going with?
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Speaker 2: That's funny.
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Speaker 1: If the president does it, it's okay for us to?
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Speaker 2: Well, that's a very slippery slope.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about new Miss MAGA, Nicki Minaj, who was with the president at an event over the weekend, yes, in Michigan, doing a rally. And Robes, it got attention because, well, it always gets attention when she shows up and people scratch their heads why she's so MAGA. Fine. But we've gotten used to it now. Robes, which part of this was wrong to you?
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Speaker 3: All of it? Yes. Yes.
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Speaker 1: Is there anything, let me ask this, is there any pass you give given that Nicki Minaj is famous for her backside? She talks about it plenty. She's got a song called Anaconda. If you look at the cover art for that song, you can tell she's about that butt.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and she's been outspoken about her butt and what it means to her and its evolution. Let's just put it like that. But I just think when you put what President Trump said In his own words, and you just say them out loud, I don't think we need to tell you what to think of it. I think it's pretty obvious. He said that Nicki Minaj has, quote, one hell of a beautiful ass. Do you want your president talking about another woman like that, a married president? I just wonder, and you brought this up earlier when we were talking, what Melania would think. What does his daughter think? What do his granddaughters think? It's just, it's unnecessary information. And I think, yes, it's objectifying, and yes, it's a compliment, but is that a compliment you want to hear from an 80-year-old president to a crowd and then telling that woman to stand up and show off her assets?
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask one other.
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Speaker 3: You know what?
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Speaker 1: Let's play it. If you haven't heard it, folks, let's just do this. This is the president. This was last night. It was Saturday night. This is the last night, I think.
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Speaker 2: This was, I believe, this is last night, I believe.
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Speaker 1: Port Huron, Michigan, up there campaigning for Mike Rogers for Senator, the Republican. And yes, Nicki Minaj actually rode on Air Force One with the president there to Michigan, but she got on stage, she did a little talking, then she went back to her seat. And this is what the president said. Take a listen.
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Speaker 3: By the way, I looked at one hell of a beautiful ass before, Nicki Minaj, that That's hard to miss. That's stand-up. That's hard to miss. Okay, I'm going to get back to my story. I hope Nikki wasn't insulted, but we love Nikki. She's been with us for a long time.
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Speaker 2: That long pause. I wonder if he was thinking, should I have just said.
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Speaker 1: What I said? You know, it seemed like he caught himself a little bit because he said, I hope Nikki wasn't insulted. The camera did pan over and it looked like she did stand up in front of this crowd. Is that a compliment, Groves? Is that a compliment? Does it make a difference that she has made a career almost out of that backside? Does it matter that that's her bread and butter? Does it matter that that's a famous asset? Does it matter? Does any of that need to be taken into account to lessen the severity of what this seems to be?
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Speaker 2: Possibly. Possibly. I still am going to just say that any man shouldn't be talking about a woman's ass like that in public, especially if he hasn't cleared it with her beforehand. And obviously he had not because he had to say, I hope Nikki wasn't insulted. But also like having her stand up, That's embarrassing. And then saying that her ass is hard to miss, whether she's proud of it or not, I just don't think it's something that he needed to say. And it just felt icky and gross on a number of levels. But yes, especially because he's the president. Yes, that was, as the young folks like to say, cringy AF.
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Speaker 1: Is there any circumstance you can come up with right now in which this would be appropriate for, not just a president, let's take president off the table, but for a man to say this about a woman who is in that room, to say this about a woman in front of a crowd of people? That's a better way to say it. Is it ever okay? Can you come up with any scenario where this would be, okay, look at the legs on her. Is there anything anybody could say?
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 1: We're a man. See, this is what we keep talking about, manosphere and all this stuff, and what's happening at Cornell, and we've got to warn our daughters. What are we telling our sons about this, baby? The president got up. Oh, it's fun. She's got a nice ass. She talks about it, then I can talk about it. What in God's name are we doing, baby? Is there any scenario?
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 2: There is no scenario that I can come up with where that is appropriate. And the only, I was trying to think, like, dig deep and say, is there anyone who could have fun with that other than her? Maybe, like, her sister or her mom. Like, somebody who isn't going to sexualize it. Somebody who might genetically know something about her and could have some fun with her who's cleared it with her ahead of time. But I think it would have to be, literally, that would be the only exception. I cannot imagine there ever being a scenario in which a man, and even if it was her own husband saying about it, like that would be the only other scenario in which she was okay with it. They've joked about it between themselves and she knows he loves that about her and she loves him talking about it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: That would like be the only time where I feel like it would be okay. Certainly not in this scenario.
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Speaker 3: No, no.
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Speaker 2: And she, look, even if she talks about it and she's proud of it and she's obviously disgusted, It doesn't mean that he gets to.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Can I ask this thing? We didn't fully talk this out. You've said a lot of things that have me asking questions of you now. Is there any scenario here where if she isn't offended, if she isn't insulted, should we all just chill out?
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Speaker 2: That's a tough one because I will give her, obviously, and I'm assuming based on her newly found and seemingly unwavering support of President Trump that she's not upset about it. Otherwise, she probably would have said something because she's not somebody who stays quiet. But I still think it's very unbecoming of the president. And I think that it is, as you pointed out, setting the tone for other men and how they talk about women, describe women, discuss women, regard women. Yes, I don't think it's appropriate, and I do think it sends a message, and I think it's appalling.
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Speaker 1: You got me thinking of so many other questions now. Here is another. This is a debate for another day, probably. The argument about what she can objectify herself all she wants. That doesn't give anybody else permission to do it. Is that fair?
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Speaker 2: Correct, yes.
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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. Then how about those others who will push back on that notion, that notion of, look, All you do is talk about sex and show this and you talk about your butt and you sexualize this and that and somebody else mentions it and it's a problem. I'm only pushing back as a devil's advocate on that.
00:09:28
Speaker 2: And I would just say, yes, yes, yes. You can say it doesn't mean that someone else has the right to say those things about you publicly and have you stand up. I just, it all felt very icky and, that she was just being objectified. And I know that he probably, he didn't. And I do think that pause was him actually having a rare moment of reflection. Like, ooh, did I just take this too far? But this is the same man. And granted, he got caught on a mic. He didn't actually declare this in a... a rally in front of thousands of people in the state of michigan with with cameras rolling but remember billy bush yes where he said you can grab grab him by the by the i hate that word the p word And so it's definitely in line with what we've heard him say before and how he has talked about women before. And it certainly hasn't gotten him in much trouble in the past. Got Billy Bush, lost him a career, but he survived and continues to talk about women however he likes. Good, bad, but he has opinions and he will voice them on your physical appearance, whether it's good or bad. And I don't think either way is okay.
00:10:40
Speaker 1: Is there anyone who can defend it? Let's try this. For those who are just hardcore Trump supporters and can do no wrong, do they just laugh this off? Yes.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: He's just being funny. It's silly. It's Nicki Minaj. Is that what?
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
00:10:54
Speaker 1: And we dismiss it. I just think, man, that Cornell story, so much about how we have to teach our daughters and to be careful and take a friend with you and all these things. What are we teaching the boys? There should not be seven boys. Boys is a part of a fraternity who would answer a call for free P word upstairs. You don't, it's these things, baby. He's setting a completely different tone and example.
00:11:26
Speaker 2: It's like your value, your worth, what you have to offer the world is all about how you look and what you can do for other people and how you can make other people. Obviously, it touches a nerve with how women have been regarded and are still regarded in a lot of places around the world. And many would say here in this country as well. And it's right there, exhibit A, and it's tough. Now, we also know that the president has been an equal opportunity candidate. I guess he's been talking about butts a lot lately. So we should mention that. It's not just Nicki Minaj's butt he's been talking about. So maybe that would be the other thing his supporters would point to. Hey, this isn't a gender thing. This isn't a female thing. He just likes to call it like he sees it.
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Speaker 1: He likes the butts of white men and black women.
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Speaker 2: Apparently that is.
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Speaker 1: Husted, right?
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: He's been talking about Husted's butt for weeks.
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Speaker 2: It's weird.
00:12:21
Speaker 1: It's weird.
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Speaker 2: I don't understand.
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Speaker 1: It's so weird. If you want to have a good fun and have a good laugh, if you get a chance in front of a computer today, look up Anderson Cooper's mashup. He put a bunch of clips together of Trump talking about men and their butts. It's hilarious. It's hilarious. But anyway, he's on Nicki Minaj's butt right now. again, strange bedfellows, politics do make some time, but Nicki Minaj has been on this for the past year, year and a half, I guess, Rob. She started just little things. She started complimenting the president online and supporting some of the things he's doing. And then next thing you know, she's at the UN speaking on his behalf. She goes after Gavin Newsom. Remember that? And that whole dust up. And then she made that appearance with Erica Kirk at a, Turning Point USA event. She has gone MAGA.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: I guess it was.
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Speaker 2: And didn't she help fund his payouts to children? So she's participated. She's personally invested in some of his agenda for helping. And that was a good thing. She put some money behind that. But yeah, she is actively now. And it's been increasing. by the month, it seems like, but 2025, starting then, right? And now up until where we are today, she's now, she kind of dipped her toe in it, and now she's full on, full blown MAGA supporter.
00:13:46
Speaker 1: And reminder, she, no, no, let's get this right. She is the most successful female rapper of all time. She is the biggest selling female rapper in history, and she's good. I mean, she's really good. She, though, Robe, she started out, the beginning of her career, she was an LGBTQ plus champion. So many folks were following along with her and her music and how Robe, she was in that lane for a little while. And now a lot of people are disappointed with the direction she has gone. She's got every right to do whatever she wants to do. She's talented as hell. But what a weird scene.
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Speaker 2: It's an interesting flip because, as you point out, she was a darling in that community, and then one of the first things she reposted was an anti-trans post by the White House. So I'm not sure if she's leaning on her faith for her beliefs in those issues specifically, but there was a shift.
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Speaker 1: But before we all can laugh this off, stay with us. Would you believe that Nicki Minaj is the woman who has one of the most famous backsides in all the world? Looks like she's happy about it, proud of it, and wants to show it off. But you need to hear what she has said about why her butt now looks the way it does and her motivation for changing the way she looks.
00:15:20
Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ. We, I said TJ because I was with Nicki Minaj. You're TJ now.
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Speaker 1: Do you like that? Well, you remember from boomerang, uh, what was her name? Uh, The model, what was her name? Grace Jones. Her name was Stranger. Stranger, yes.
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Speaker 2: Stranger, Nicki Minaj, and TJ.
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Speaker 1: I kind of like that, baby. Okay, but please continue.
00:15:45
Speaker 2: Whoops, that is so funny how your brain does that. But no, we are talking about Nicki Minaj, and specifically we're talking about her ass. And I can't believe I just said that out loud, but we're only following what President Trump said today. On Sunday night in front of thousands and certainly in front of the world with the cameras watching, talking about Nicki Minaj's big, beautiful ass. His words. Hell of a beautiful ass.
00:16:11
Speaker 1: That's the exact quote. Yep.
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Speaker 2: Asked her to stand up. Said it was hard to miss.
00:16:14
Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh.
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Speaker 2: And yeah. And even like we see this weekly, but sometimes daily.
00:16:21
Speaker 1: Jaw dropped.
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Speaker 2: Cannot believe he just said that. And yet somehow he constantly makes my jaw drop. And look, she seemingly isn't upset about it. She actually flew on Air Force One on her way to this rally with the president. And Stephen Chung actually even teased at one point, had a picture of the two of them actually on Air Force One, saying, ladies and gentlemen, I think we may have found the new White House press secretary at Nicki Minaj. Can you imagine?
00:16:51
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd watch. No, no offense to Katie Zachariah. but Nicki Minaj would do a better first press conference.
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Speaker 2: She would kill it.
00:17:02
Speaker 1: On the first. She's a performer. She can handle, yeah. So this isn't for real.
00:17:06
Speaker 2: She can probably deflect and defer and say something and make you forget whatever question you even asked in the first place.
00:17:13
Speaker 1: She would do all of hers with no podium. Wanted to make sure you would get the full body shot because that's what the president likes.
00:17:18
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
00:17:18
Speaker 1: But anyway, but yeah, Robes, as much as her butt is talked, literally, this is a woman who has one of the most famous butts in the world. Um, Can you name the others? Like when you start thinking about this, seriously, Kim Kardashian comes to mind. There's just some people who are known by their backs. Shakira, maybe?
00:17:37
Speaker 3: Yes.
00:17:37
Speaker 2: But a lot of these people are known for and I'm not saying I'm not accusing anyone, but I know that obviously the Brazilian butt lift is this huge thing now. And I'm always shocked because when I see people, I think, wait, is that? Natural couldn't be. It's the new boob job. It's like where everybody wanted to get big boobs in the, I guess, in the last couple of decades. Now it's all shifted to big butts.
00:18:00
Speaker 1: Robes, I was researching, oh my God, I was researching butts today and butt augmentation. Robes, there was a five-year stretch in the early 2000, no, no, 2020 area. Robes, there's some stats that show there was a 90% jump increase in in butt augmentation surgeries.
00:18:19
Speaker 2: I don't even know how you do that. Like, how do they? I have no idea. What do they put in there? I mean, boobs, obviously, you have the silicone implants. I can visualize that, obviously.
00:18:30
Speaker 1: Nikki actually says she got injections. Injections. She got injections. Now, as much as she talks about robes, her butt, and sings about it, and shows it off, it kind of breaks your heart a little bit when you hear the beginning of her story and why. Why her butt's that way is because of insecurity. She was discovered, a lot of people know Lil Wayne, but Lil Wayne discovered her and Drake, put them all in a whole group together. She was a part of that group. She said she was around the studio all the time. Lil Wayne, all these guys always talking about and surrounding themselves with women with big butts. She didn't have one. And she felt on the outs. She felt like it might hurt her career. She felt insecure about it. Didn't say anything. Isn't that wild?
00:19:16
Speaker 2: We actually have, where did you get this, where she said this?
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Speaker 1: 2022 or 2023, she did an interview, and what she did, she talked about these butt injections. She said she got them in Atlanta from an unlicensed place.
00:19:26
Speaker 2: Wow.
00:19:27
Speaker 1: Very early in her career. Yeah.
00:19:30
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:19:30
Speaker 1: These are all direct quotes.
00:19:31
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what she said. Lil Wayne, he was always talking about big booties. Wayne would have a new chick in the studio every session. It was always a new big booty there. They were his muses. I didn't feel complete or good enough. This is what you're supposed to look like in the rap culture, and I don't look like that.
00:19:48
Speaker 1: That's interesting, babe. I don't think I knew this story ahead of time.
00:19:52
Speaker 2: I didn't know it ahead of time, but this totally makes sense to me. She went on to say they're just joking. They didn't mean any harm, but it wasn't a joke to me. I think they said stuff sometimes jokingly. But to a young girl or up-and-coming rapper or anything, when it's from someone like Lil Wayne, it matters. Even if they're joking, they don't know that the person that is there in that room with them is not finding it funny.
00:20:16
Speaker 1: Right there, Robes. That's where my heart broke a little bit. He's in front of a crowd like he is actually highlighting and making a show of something, Robes, that came from a painful place.
00:20:35
Speaker 2: It came from pain. And look, I don't know if she said whether or not she loves her, but now if she regrets getting the injections, I don't know, but that is such a window into her psyche. And imagining if that's why she has the, but she has now to have president Trump, then call it out. Like he did. I imagine that would also feel there would be a, I can only try and internalize it. Uh, uh, uh, If you're getting praise for something that you actually didn't even have, something that you created, something that you went and bought.
00:21:09
Speaker 1: He probably doesn't know that, does he?
00:21:10
Speaker 2: He probably doesn't know that. If that was the butt she was born with, and I'm still not saying it was okay that he did what he did or said what he said, but maybe there'd be a little bit more source of pride in it. It would be weird to me to get called out for something that wasn't yours to begin with.
00:21:27
Speaker 1: Oh, gosh.
00:21:30
Speaker 2: Acted as though that was your best asset or something, and that wasn't even something that is yours to begin with.
00:21:36
Speaker 1: Your hair is beautiful. It runs all the way down your back like that.
00:21:39
Speaker 2: Right, and it's all extensions.
00:21:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, that thing. Yes, exactly.
00:21:43
Speaker 2: Or, oh my God, Amy, it's so cool when you smile, you don't have any wrinkles. Yeah, it's called Botox, right? I mean, that's the thing. To get complimented for something you paid for doesn't quite feel like a compliment.
00:21:53
Speaker 1: Okay, the last quote here, Robes, we're going to share with folks from that interview, that podcast interview. You set it up this way. A lot of folks, you know, I remember famously our good friend Charles Barkley. That was a commercial he did back in the day saying, I am not a role model. Like your parents, you all take care of your kids. I'm just a basketball player. This idea. And some celebrities still think that way. It's not my responsibility. I go over here and do my thing. You raise your kids. And then others say, yeah, of course you have a responsibility. People are looking up to you. Fine. She is hitting on it in this last quote, Robes, saying she was also one of those people like, to hell with that. I ain't no role model. This is one of the most telling and one of the most mature things I've ever heard come from Nicki Minaj.
00:22:40
Speaker 2: She said, I was one of the first people saying, oh, I'm not these people's parents, but now I get it. I look at it from a different perspective now because superstars inadvertently become role models no matter what. That's the truth.
00:22:54
Speaker 1: And Robes, she's talked about being a part of The trend, pushing people to everybody's got to have a big butt now. Everybody needs a big button. But augmentation, right, is going through the roof.
00:23:06
Speaker 2: And we see in the white culture, it's the lip flip, right? And everybody you see has duck lips now because these young girls are told that's what makes you sexy. That's what makes you beautiful. That's what guys want. They want big lips. They want big butts. They want big boobs.
00:23:25
Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? she has her butt because she was trying to look like somebody else. Now so many people in the world are trying to look like her.
00:23:34
Speaker 3: Yep.
00:23:35
Speaker 1: And what is this ultimately? Just a whole bunch of people not happy with who they are. Not happy with what they look like. Being told by society, by culture now, there's a new norm for beauty. There's a new standard. It used to be just the stick, right? Just a very thin woman, got to be really, really thin. Now that ain't it.
00:23:52
Speaker 2: I mean, you see it everywhere. White girls want to be tan.
00:23:55
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:23:56
Speaker 2: Asian girls want to be like pale. Like you just, you see it everywhere and everyone's trying to be something they're not. And look, when you have men in powerful positions, sorry, but seemingly complimenting someone, but objectifying them nonetheless for a specific body part that turns out they actually augmented to try and fit in. That says a lot about where we are.
00:24:19
Speaker 1: What would you, your reaction be? I'm asking about Melania essentially. And she thought, ah, that's Trump. Ah, don't care.
00:24:25
Speaker 2: I would care if you said that.
00:24:27
Speaker 1: If I got up on a stage, jokingly said something like that.
00:24:30
Speaker 2: A big, beautiful ass? Yeah, that would bother me. That would hurt. That would sting as your wife.
00:24:35
Speaker 3: Yes.
00:24:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's tough.
00:24:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, reverse it.
00:24:38
Speaker 1: What would you say about a guy?
00:24:39
Speaker 2: Someone's abs or something. Like, man, look at those beautiful six-pack abs on that beautiful man or something like that. Stand up and show everybody your abs. Take your shirt off.
00:24:49
Speaker 1: Who's the guy? I don't know.
00:24:51
Speaker 2: Ryan Gosling. I'm just throwing it out there.
00:24:52
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that.
00:24:54
Speaker 2: Really?
00:24:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm okay with Ryan. It depends on who the guy is.
00:24:57
Speaker 3: Really?
00:24:57
Speaker 2: Who would you not be okay with?
00:24:58
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think through a list of people. Because I like, I respect these guys too much. It had to be a guy I already don't like.
00:25:05
Speaker 2: That's so funny. I have a feeling you would not like me physically praising another man in public.
00:25:12
Speaker 1: No. Better than in private. At least I can keep an eye on you.
00:25:18
Speaker 2: What did you think of Fox News and how they, you know, they obviously take on headlines a little bit differently than a lot of the other press do.
00:25:26
Speaker 1: We're already laughing. I wanted to end on a funny note. Something a little lighter. And that's what I was going to end on. But we're already laughing about you and this dude with the six pack you look crazy about. But, Rose, this, is that okay? Is that one way to interpret this? what the president did. But yes, folks, this was Fox News. This was online. They posted the president's quote, like that exact quote. And it had the headline that was written there that was posted right on top of it, Robes. And I said it to you, and you gave me a look.
00:25:58
Speaker 2: I rolled my eyes and said, wow, talk about toxic positivity. This is one way to spin it. Their headline is, Trump pays show-stopping compliment to Nicki Minaj.
00:26:09
Speaker 1: Oh, man, that's funny. Oh, yeah, that's funny. Pays a compliment to her.
00:26:15
Speaker 2: A show-stopping compliment, no less. It's the highest form of compliment.
00:26:20
Speaker 1: Is there, last thing, for asking a woman, you, personally, what comment, how could a comment come your direction, not from a total stranger, but not somebody you're that close to, in that setting, that wouldn't be offensive? Look at the legs on her. No, it's all offensive.
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Speaker 2: Is there anything offensive No, because the truth is when someone publicly, if you just want to say, wow, she's a gorgeous young woman or something like that, but even that would make my face burn. I can feel, because I've had moments where people have made public spectacles thinking they're giving you a compliment, but it reduces you to being a sexual object. The only thing that feels of value or worth is how you look, which is nothing that you've earned. And I guess I, and I can only say that in a professional setting. I have so many examples of moments where I actually, they thought they were giving me the biggest compliment and I wanted to crawl under a rock and cry. And I have gone back into the bathroom and sobbed when someone gave me a physical compliment in front of a group of men thinking that they were being nice. But actually what it did is it made me feel like I was nothing but a a girl there to offer pleasure to look at. Like I had nothing else to offer. It's just how it's received oftentimes. And I know it's not intended that way, but that is how it comes off. You are less than.
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Speaker 1: I just don't know how you can, I'm looking at, we happen to have our television on, just happened to see president Obama, who was also in Michigan over the weekend. Robes, I just remembered something. What a difference an administration makes. Do you remember President Obama had to apologize after he made a comment about Kamala Harris's appearance? He was doing a campaign, something out there. She was the attorney general at the time. Robes, all he said was, you guys got the best looking attorney general in the country out here. Robes, he apologized for it the next day.
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Speaker 2: And I think he should have.
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Speaker 1: Robes, he apologized the next day for that.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 1: Very soft compliment, is it not? Almost even jokingly so.
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: And he apologized.
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Speaker 2: Because he understood that that minimized.
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Speaker 1: Her and her worth. Isn't that crazy?
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Speaker 2: Even though he meant it as a compliment, there is absolutely still that other side of it. And I appreciate that he recognized it. And I think all of us, Like, oh, I have said, oh, my God, how beautiful or, you know, what a gorgeous suit. And you have to be careful because you don't want to be that. That's the first thing or the only thing you say about a woman. And that's the problem, especially when it's in a professional setting.
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Speaker 1: Man, bro, just what a difference a president makes. He didn't get anywhere close to complimenting her. Oh, no. And he apologized.
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Speaker 2: It was a respectful compliment.
00:29:13
Speaker 1: And he apologized.
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Speaker 2: And he still apologized because it was solely based on her appearance.
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Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness. Folks, we appreciate you listening as always. What's next? We got a week left, right? Midterms, please, let's get this over with. I don't know how much more of this we can take. But for my dear Amy Robach, I am TJ Holm.
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Speaker 2: TJ Holm.
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Speaker 1: TJ, excuse me. Yes, still working on my six pack. Talk to y'all soon.
Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, October 26th, and the president is really getting all kinds of criticism because he commented on a woman's physical appearance. Not just any woman, and not just any body part of this woman. She's actually famous for it. Welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. The president comments on women's appearance all the time. Why is this different?
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Speaker 2: Well, usually he is telling them they're unattractive or they need to smile more.
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Speaker 1: That's true.
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Speaker 2: Or that sort of thing where he's actually disparaging how they look, Miss Piggy, et cetera. We could go on and on. It's rare that he gives another woman a comment, a positive comment, but like a sexually positive comment.
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Speaker 1: Was it?
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Speaker 2: I feel like it is. When you say someone's beautiful, when you say you like a dress someone's wearing, that's one thing. But when you talk about someone's ass, I feel like that is sexual in nature.
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Speaker 1: Isn't it wild that the President of the United States was on a stage this weekend going, look at that ass. He actually was speaking in a manner that even my boys in private... We get to a certain age, we get past that. We don't talk like that. Rose, the president was in front of a crowd and told the woman to stand up. Show him that ass. And this is not just any woman. And this is not just any ass. Can we say ass the rest of this?
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Speaker 2: What are we going to do here? I think we can because the president said it.
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Speaker 1: Is that what we're going with?
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Speaker 2: That's funny.
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Speaker 1: If the president does it, it's okay for us to?
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Speaker 2: Well, that's a very slippery slope.
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Speaker 1: We are talking about new Miss MAGA, Nicki Minaj, who was with the president at an event over the weekend, yes, in Michigan, doing a rally. And Robes, it got attention because, well, it always gets attention when she shows up and people scratch their heads why she's so MAGA. Fine. But we've gotten used to it now. Robes, which part of this was wrong to you?
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Speaker 3: All of it? Yes. Yes.
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Speaker 1: Is there anything, let me ask this, is there any pass you give given that Nicki Minaj is famous for her backside? She talks about it plenty. She's got a song called Anaconda. If you look at the cover art for that song, you can tell she's about that butt.
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Speaker 2: Yes, and she's been outspoken about her butt and what it means to her and its evolution. Let's just put it like that. But I just think when you put what President Trump said In his own words, and you just say them out loud, I don't think we need to tell you what to think of it. I think it's pretty obvious. He said that Nicki Minaj has, quote, one hell of a beautiful ass. Do you want your president talking about another woman like that, a married president? I just wonder, and you brought this up earlier when we were talking, what Melania would think. What does his daughter think? What do his granddaughters think? It's just, it's unnecessary information. And I think, yes, it's objectifying, and yes, it's a compliment, but is that a compliment you want to hear from an 80-year-old president to a crowd and then telling that woman to stand up and show off her assets?
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me ask one other.
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Speaker 3: You know what?
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Speaker 1: Let's play it. If you haven't heard it, folks, let's just do this. This is the president. This was last night. It was Saturday night. This is the last night, I think.
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Speaker 2: This was, I believe, this is last night, I believe.
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Speaker 1: Port Huron, Michigan, up there campaigning for Mike Rogers for Senator, the Republican. And yes, Nicki Minaj actually rode on Air Force One with the president there to Michigan, but she got on stage, she did a little talking, then she went back to her seat. And this is what the president said. Take a listen.
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Speaker 3: By the way, I looked at one hell of a beautiful ass before, Nicki Minaj, that That's hard to miss. That's stand-up. That's hard to miss. Okay, I'm going to get back to my story. I hope Nikki wasn't insulted, but we love Nikki. She's been with us for a long time.
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Speaker 2: That long pause. I wonder if he was thinking, should I have just said.
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Speaker 1: What I said? You know, it seemed like he caught himself a little bit because he said, I hope Nikki wasn't insulted. The camera did pan over and it looked like she did stand up in front of this crowd. Is that a compliment, Groves? Is that a compliment? Does it make a difference that she has made a career almost out of that backside? Does it matter that that's her bread and butter? Does it matter that that's a famous asset? Does it matter? Does any of that need to be taken into account to lessen the severity of what this seems to be?
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Speaker 2: Possibly. Possibly. I still am going to just say that any man shouldn't be talking about a woman's ass like that in public, especially if he hasn't cleared it with her beforehand. And obviously he had not because he had to say, I hope Nikki wasn't insulted. But also like having her stand up, That's embarrassing. And then saying that her ass is hard to miss, whether she's proud of it or not, I just don't think it's something that he needed to say. And it just felt icky and gross on a number of levels. But yes, especially because he's the president. Yes, that was, as the young folks like to say, cringy AF.
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Speaker 1: Is there any circumstance you can come up with right now in which this would be appropriate for, not just a president, let's take president off the table, but for a man to say this about a woman who is in that room, to say this about a woman in front of a crowd of people? That's a better way to say it. Is it ever okay? Can you come up with any scenario where this would be, okay, look at the legs on her. Is there anything anybody could say?
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 1: We're a man. See, this is what we keep talking about, manosphere and all this stuff, and what's happening at Cornell, and we've got to warn our daughters. What are we telling our sons about this, baby? The president got up. Oh, it's fun. She's got a nice ass. She talks about it, then I can talk about it. What in God's name are we doing, baby? Is there any scenario?
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Speaker 3: No.
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Speaker 2: There is no scenario that I can come up with where that is appropriate. And the only, I was trying to think, like, dig deep and say, is there anyone who could have fun with that other than her? Maybe, like, her sister or her mom. Like, somebody who isn't going to sexualize it. Somebody who might genetically know something about her and could have some fun with her who's cleared it with her ahead of time. But I think it would have to be, literally, that would be the only exception. I cannot imagine there ever being a scenario in which a man, and even if it was her own husband saying about it, like that would be the only other scenario in which she was okay with it. They've joked about it between themselves and she knows he loves that about her and she loves him talking about it.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: That would like be the only time where I feel like it would be okay. Certainly not in this scenario.
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Speaker 3: No, no.
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Speaker 2: And she, look, even if she talks about it and she's proud of it and she's obviously disgusted, It doesn't mean that he gets to.
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Speaker 1: Okay. Can I ask this thing? We didn't fully talk this out. You've said a lot of things that have me asking questions of you now. Is there any scenario here where if she isn't offended, if she isn't insulted, should we all just chill out?
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Speaker 2: That's a tough one because I will give her, obviously, and I'm assuming based on her newly found and seemingly unwavering support of President Trump that she's not upset about it. Otherwise, she probably would have said something because she's not somebody who stays quiet. But I still think it's very unbecoming of the president. And I think that it is, as you pointed out, setting the tone for other men and how they talk about women, describe women, discuss women, regard women. Yes, I don't think it's appropriate, and I do think it sends a message, and I think it's appalling.
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Speaker 1: You got me thinking of so many other questions now. Here is another. This is a debate for another day, probably. The argument about what she can objectify herself all she wants. That doesn't give anybody else permission to do it. Is that fair?
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Speaker 2: Correct, yes.
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Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. Then how about those others who will push back on that notion, that notion of, look, All you do is talk about sex and show this and you talk about your butt and you sexualize this and that and somebody else mentions it and it's a problem. I'm only pushing back as a devil's advocate on that.
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Speaker 2: And I would just say, yes, yes, yes. You can say it doesn't mean that someone else has the right to say those things about you publicly and have you stand up. I just, it all felt very icky and, that she was just being objectified. And I know that he probably, he didn't. And I do think that pause was him actually having a rare moment of reflection. Like, ooh, did I just take this too far? But this is the same man. And granted, he got caught on a mic. He didn't actually declare this in a... a rally in front of thousands of people in the state of michigan with with cameras rolling but remember billy bush yes where he said you can grab grab him by the by the i hate that word the p word And so it's definitely in line with what we've heard him say before and how he has talked about women before. And it certainly hasn't gotten him in much trouble in the past. Got Billy Bush, lost him a career, but he survived and continues to talk about women however he likes. Good, bad, but he has opinions and he will voice them on your physical appearance, whether it's good or bad. And I don't think either way is okay.
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Speaker 1: Is there anyone who can defend it? Let's try this. For those who are just hardcore Trump supporters and can do no wrong, do they just laugh this off? Yes.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: He's just being funny. It's silly. It's Nicki Minaj. Is that what?
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 2: Okay.
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Speaker 1: And we dismiss it. I just think, man, that Cornell story, so much about how we have to teach our daughters and to be careful and take a friend with you and all these things. What are we teaching the boys? There should not be seven boys. Boys is a part of a fraternity who would answer a call for free P word upstairs. You don't, it's these things, baby. He's setting a completely different tone and example.
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Speaker 2: It's like your value, your worth, what you have to offer the world is all about how you look and what you can do for other people and how you can make other people. Obviously, it touches a nerve with how women have been regarded and are still regarded in a lot of places around the world. And many would say here in this country as well. And it's right there, exhibit A, and it's tough. Now, we also know that the president has been an equal opportunity candidate. I guess he's been talking about butts a lot lately. So we should mention that. It's not just Nicki Minaj's butt he's been talking about. So maybe that would be the other thing his supporters would point to. Hey, this isn't a gender thing. This isn't a female thing. He just likes to call it like he sees it.
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Speaker 1: He likes the butts of white men and black women.
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Speaker 2: Apparently that is.
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Speaker 1: Husted, right?
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 1: He's been talking about Husted's butt for weeks.
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Speaker 2: It's weird.
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Speaker 1: It's weird.
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Speaker 2: I don't understand.
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Speaker 1: It's so weird. If you want to have a good fun and have a good laugh, if you get a chance in front of a computer today, look up Anderson Cooper's mashup. He put a bunch of clips together of Trump talking about men and their butts. It's hilarious. It's hilarious. But anyway, he's on Nicki Minaj's butt right now. again, strange bedfellows, politics do make some time, but Nicki Minaj has been on this for the past year, year and a half, I guess, Rob. She started just little things. She started complimenting the president online and supporting some of the things he's doing. And then next thing you know, she's at the UN speaking on his behalf. She goes after Gavin Newsom. Remember that? And that whole dust up. And then she made that appearance with Erica Kirk at a, Turning Point USA event. She has gone MAGA.
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Speaker 2: Yes.
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Speaker 1: I guess it was.
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Speaker 2: And didn't she help fund his payouts to children? So she's participated. She's personally invested in some of his agenda for helping. And that was a good thing. She put some money behind that. But yeah, she is actively now. And it's been increasing. by the month, it seems like, but 2025, starting then, right? And now up until where we are today, she's now, she kind of dipped her toe in it, and now she's full on, full blown MAGA supporter.
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Speaker 1: And reminder, she, no, no, let's get this right. She is the most successful female rapper of all time. She is the biggest selling female rapper in history, and she's good. I mean, she's really good. She, though, Robe, she started out, the beginning of her career, she was an LGBTQ plus champion. So many folks were following along with her and her music and how Robe, she was in that lane for a little while. And now a lot of people are disappointed with the direction she has gone. She's got every right to do whatever she wants to do. She's talented as hell. But what a weird scene.
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Speaker 2: It's an interesting flip because, as you point out, she was a darling in that community, and then one of the first things she reposted was an anti-trans post by the White House. So I'm not sure if she's leaning on her faith for her beliefs in those issues specifically, but there was a shift.
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Speaker 1: But before we all can laugh this off, stay with us. Would you believe that Nicki Minaj is the woman who has one of the most famous backsides in all the world? Looks like she's happy about it, proud of it, and wants to show it off. But you need to hear what she has said about why her butt now looks the way it does and her motivation for changing the way she looks.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ. We, I said TJ because I was with Nicki Minaj. You're TJ now.
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Speaker 1: Do you like that? Well, you remember from boomerang, uh, what was her name? Uh, The model, what was her name? Grace Jones. Her name was Stranger. Stranger, yes.
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Speaker 2: Stranger, Nicki Minaj, and TJ.
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Speaker 1: I kind of like that, baby. Okay, but please continue.
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Speaker 2: Whoops, that is so funny how your brain does that. But no, we are talking about Nicki Minaj, and specifically we're talking about her ass. And I can't believe I just said that out loud, but we're only following what President Trump said today. On Sunday night in front of thousands and certainly in front of the world with the cameras watching, talking about Nicki Minaj's big, beautiful ass. His words. Hell of a beautiful ass.
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Speaker 1: That's the exact quote. Yep.
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Speaker 2: Asked her to stand up. Said it was hard to miss.
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Speaker 1: Oh, my gosh.
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Speaker 2: And yeah. And even like we see this weekly, but sometimes daily.
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Speaker 1: Jaw dropped.
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Speaker 2: Cannot believe he just said that. And yet somehow he constantly makes my jaw drop. And look, she seemingly isn't upset about it. She actually flew on Air Force One on her way to this rally with the president. And Stephen Chung actually even teased at one point, had a picture of the two of them actually on Air Force One, saying, ladies and gentlemen, I think we may have found the new White House press secretary at Nicki Minaj. Can you imagine?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'd watch. No, no offense to Katie Zachariah. but Nicki Minaj would do a better first press conference.
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Speaker 2: She would kill it.
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Speaker 1: On the first. She's a performer. She can handle, yeah. So this isn't for real.
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Speaker 2: She can probably deflect and defer and say something and make you forget whatever question you even asked in the first place.
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Speaker 1: She would do all of hers with no podium. Wanted to make sure you would get the full body shot because that's what the president likes.
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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness.
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Speaker 1: But anyway, but yeah, Robes, as much as her butt is talked, literally, this is a woman who has one of the most famous butts in the world. Um, Can you name the others? Like when you start thinking about this, seriously, Kim Kardashian comes to mind. There's just some people who are known by their backs. Shakira, maybe?
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Speaker 3: Yes.
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Speaker 2: But a lot of these people are known for and I'm not saying I'm not accusing anyone, but I know that obviously the Brazilian butt lift is this huge thing now. And I'm always shocked because when I see people, I think, wait, is that? Natural couldn't be. It's the new boob job. It's like where everybody wanted to get big boobs in the, I guess, in the last couple of decades. Now it's all shifted to big butts.
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Speaker 1: Robes, I was researching, oh my God, I was researching butts today and butt augmentation. Robes, there was a five-year stretch in the early 2000, no, no, 2020 area. Robes, there's some stats that show there was a 90% jump increase in in butt augmentation surgeries.
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Speaker 2: I don't even know how you do that. Like, how do they? I have no idea. What do they put in there? I mean, boobs, obviously, you have the silicone implants. I can visualize that, obviously.
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Speaker 1: Nikki actually says she got injections. Injections. She got injections. Now, as much as she talks about robes, her butt, and sings about it, and shows it off, it kind of breaks your heart a little bit when you hear the beginning of her story and why. Why her butt's that way is because of insecurity. She was discovered, a lot of people know Lil Wayne, but Lil Wayne discovered her and Drake, put them all in a whole group together. She was a part of that group. She said she was around the studio all the time. Lil Wayne, all these guys always talking about and surrounding themselves with women with big butts. She didn't have one. And she felt on the outs. She felt like it might hurt her career. She felt insecure about it. Didn't say anything. Isn't that wild?
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Speaker 2: We actually have, where did you get this, where she said this?
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Speaker 1: 2022 or 2023, she did an interview, and what she did, she talked about these butt injections. She said she got them in Atlanta from an unlicensed place.
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Speaker 2: Wow.
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Speaker 1: Very early in her career. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: These are all direct quotes.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what she said. Lil Wayne, he was always talking about big booties. Wayne would have a new chick in the studio every session. It was always a new big booty there. They were his muses. I didn't feel complete or good enough. This is what you're supposed to look like in the rap culture, and I don't look like that.
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Speaker 1: That's interesting, babe. I don't think I knew this story ahead of time.
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Speaker 2: I didn't know it ahead of time, but this totally makes sense to me. She went on to say they're just joking. They didn't mean any harm, but it wasn't a joke to me. I think they said stuff sometimes jokingly. But to a young girl or up-and-coming rapper or anything, when it's from someone like Lil Wayne, it matters. Even if they're joking, they don't know that the person that is there in that room with them is not finding it funny.
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Speaker 1: Right there, Robes. That's where my heart broke a little bit. He's in front of a crowd like he is actually highlighting and making a show of something, Robes, that came from a painful place.
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Speaker 2: It came from pain. And look, I don't know if she said whether or not she loves her, but now if she regrets getting the injections, I don't know, but that is such a window into her psyche. And imagining if that's why she has the, but she has now to have president Trump, then call it out. Like he did. I imagine that would also feel there would be a, I can only try and internalize it. Uh, uh, uh, If you're getting praise for something that you actually didn't even have, something that you created, something that you went and bought.
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Speaker 1: He probably doesn't know that, does he?
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Speaker 2: He probably doesn't know that. If that was the butt she was born with, and I'm still not saying it was okay that he did what he did or said what he said, but maybe there'd be a little bit more source of pride in it. It would be weird to me to get called out for something that wasn't yours to begin with.
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Speaker 1: Oh, gosh.
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Speaker 2: Acted as though that was your best asset or something, and that wasn't even something that is yours to begin with.
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Speaker 1: Your hair is beautiful. It runs all the way down your back like that.
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Speaker 2: Right, and it's all extensions.
00:21:40
Speaker 1: Yeah, that thing. Yes, exactly.
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Speaker 2: Or, oh my God, Amy, it's so cool when you smile, you don't have any wrinkles. Yeah, it's called Botox, right? I mean, that's the thing. To get complimented for something you paid for doesn't quite feel like a compliment.
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Speaker 1: Okay, the last quote here, Robes, we're going to share with folks from that interview, that podcast interview. You set it up this way. A lot of folks, you know, I remember famously our good friend Charles Barkley. That was a commercial he did back in the day saying, I am not a role model. Like your parents, you all take care of your kids. I'm just a basketball player. This idea. And some celebrities still think that way. It's not my responsibility. I go over here and do my thing. You raise your kids. And then others say, yeah, of course you have a responsibility. People are looking up to you. Fine. She is hitting on it in this last quote, Robes, saying she was also one of those people like, to hell with that. I ain't no role model. This is one of the most telling and one of the most mature things I've ever heard come from Nicki Minaj.
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Speaker 2: She said, I was one of the first people saying, oh, I'm not these people's parents, but now I get it. I look at it from a different perspective now because superstars inadvertently become role models no matter what. That's the truth.
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Speaker 1: And Robes, she's talked about being a part of The trend, pushing people to everybody's got to have a big butt now. Everybody needs a big button. But augmentation, right, is going through the roof.
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Speaker 2: And we see in the white culture, it's the lip flip, right? And everybody you see has duck lips now because these young girls are told that's what makes you sexy. That's what makes you beautiful. That's what guys want. They want big lips. They want big butts. They want big boobs.
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Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy? she has her butt because she was trying to look like somebody else. Now so many people in the world are trying to look like her.
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Speaker 3: Yep.
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Speaker 1: And what is this ultimately? Just a whole bunch of people not happy with who they are. Not happy with what they look like. Being told by society, by culture now, there's a new norm for beauty. There's a new standard. It used to be just the stick, right? Just a very thin woman, got to be really, really thin. Now that ain't it.
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Speaker 2: I mean, you see it everywhere. White girls want to be tan.
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Speaker 3: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Asian girls want to be like pale. Like you just, you see it everywhere and everyone's trying to be something they're not. And look, when you have men in powerful positions, sorry, but seemingly complimenting someone, but objectifying them nonetheless for a specific body part that turns out they actually augmented to try and fit in. That says a lot about where we are.
00:24:19
Speaker 1: What would you, your reaction be? I'm asking about Melania essentially. And she thought, ah, that's Trump. Ah, don't care.
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Speaker 2: I would care if you said that.
00:24:27
Speaker 1: If I got up on a stage, jokingly said something like that.
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Speaker 2: A big, beautiful ass? Yeah, that would bother me. That would hurt. That would sting as your wife.
00:24:35
Speaker 3: Yes.
00:24:35
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's tough.
00:24:36
Speaker 2: Yeah, reverse it.
00:24:38
Speaker 1: What would you say about a guy?
00:24:39
Speaker 2: Someone's abs or something. Like, man, look at those beautiful six-pack abs on that beautiful man or something like that. Stand up and show everybody your abs. Take your shirt off.
00:24:49
Speaker 1: Who's the guy? I don't know.
00:24:51
Speaker 2: Ryan Gosling. I'm just throwing it out there.
00:24:52
Speaker 1: I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that.
00:24:54
Speaker 2: Really?
00:24:54
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm okay with Ryan. It depends on who the guy is.
00:24:57
Speaker 3: Really?
00:24:57
Speaker 2: Who would you not be okay with?
00:24:58
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think through a list of people. Because I like, I respect these guys too much. It had to be a guy I already don't like.
00:25:05
Speaker 2: That's so funny. I have a feeling you would not like me physically praising another man in public.
00:25:12
Speaker 1: No. Better than in private. At least I can keep an eye on you.
00:25:18
Speaker 2: What did you think of Fox News and how they, you know, they obviously take on headlines a little bit differently than a lot of the other press do.
00:25:26
Speaker 1: We're already laughing. I wanted to end on a funny note. Something a little lighter. And that's what I was going to end on. But we're already laughing about you and this dude with the six pack you look crazy about. But, Rose, this, is that okay? Is that one way to interpret this? what the president did. But yes, folks, this was Fox News. This was online. They posted the president's quote, like that exact quote. And it had the headline that was written there that was posted right on top of it, Robes. And I said it to you, and you gave me a look.
00:25:58
Speaker 2: I rolled my eyes and said, wow, talk about toxic positivity. This is one way to spin it. Their headline is, Trump pays show-stopping compliment to Nicki Minaj.
00:26:09
Speaker 1: Oh, man, that's funny. Oh, yeah, that's funny. Pays a compliment to her.
00:26:15
Speaker 2: A show-stopping compliment, no less. It's the highest form of compliment.
00:26:20
Speaker 1: Is there, last thing, for asking a woman, you, personally, what comment, how could a comment come your direction, not from a total stranger, but not somebody you're that close to, in that setting, that wouldn't be offensive? Look at the legs on her. No, it's all offensive.
00:26:37
Speaker 2: Is there anything offensive No, because the truth is when someone publicly, if you just want to say, wow, she's a gorgeous young woman or something like that, but even that would make my face burn. I can feel, because I've had moments where people have made public spectacles thinking they're giving you a compliment, but it reduces you to being a sexual object. The only thing that feels of value or worth is how you look, which is nothing that you've earned. And I guess I, and I can only say that in a professional setting. I have so many examples of moments where I actually, they thought they were giving me the biggest compliment and I wanted to crawl under a rock and cry. And I have gone back into the bathroom and sobbed when someone gave me a physical compliment in front of a group of men thinking that they were being nice. But actually what it did is it made me feel like I was nothing but a a girl there to offer pleasure to look at. Like I had nothing else to offer. It's just how it's received oftentimes. And I know it's not intended that way, but that is how it comes off. You are less than.
00:27:44
Speaker 1: I just don't know how you can, I'm looking at, we happen to have our television on, just happened to see president Obama, who was also in Michigan over the weekend. Robes, I just remembered something. What a difference an administration makes. Do you remember President Obama had to apologize after he made a comment about Kamala Harris's appearance? He was doing a campaign, something out there. She was the attorney general at the time. Robes, all he said was, you guys got the best looking attorney general in the country out here. Robes, he apologized for it the next day.
00:28:22
Speaker 2: And I think he should have.
00:28:23
Speaker 1: Robes, he apologized the next day for that.
00:28:27
Speaker 3: Yep.
00:28:28
Speaker 1: Very soft compliment, is it not? Almost even jokingly so.
00:28:31
Speaker 3: Yes.
00:28:32
Speaker 1: And he apologized.
00:28:33
Speaker 2: Because he understood that that minimized.
00:28:35
Speaker 1: Her and her worth. Isn't that crazy?
00:28:38
Speaker 2: Even though he meant it as a compliment, there is absolutely still that other side of it. And I appreciate that he recognized it. And I think all of us, Like, oh, I have said, oh, my God, how beautiful or, you know, what a gorgeous suit. And you have to be careful because you don't want to be that. That's the first thing or the only thing you say about a woman. And that's the problem, especially when it's in a professional setting.
00:29:01
Speaker 1: Man, bro, just what a difference a president makes. He didn't get anywhere close to complimenting her. Oh, no. And he apologized.
00:29:11
Speaker 2: It was a respectful compliment.
00:29:13
Speaker 1: And he apologized.
00:29:14
Speaker 2: And he still apologized because it was solely based on her appearance.
00:29:16
Speaker 1: Oh, my goodness. Folks, we appreciate you listening as always. What's next? We got a week left, right? Midterms, please, let's get this over with. I don't know how much more of this we can take. But for my dear Amy Robach, I am TJ Holm.
00:29:34
Speaker 2: TJ Holm.
00:29:35
Speaker 1: TJ, excuse me. Yes, still working on my six pack. Talk to y'all soon.
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