April 13, 2026
Tracie Thoms reveals details about portraying Andy's BFF in Devil Wears Prada (and the sequel) as she analyzes the friendships in Sex and the City... (S3 E5 "Ghost Town")
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RSS Feed From The Devil Wears Prada , Rent, and 911 , Tracie Thoms joins Kristin to unpack Sex and the City. She describes what New York was like back then and how Sex and the City had an impact on NYC! She shares fascinating details about the Devil Wears Prada and finding out she would return for the sequel!
Plus, an unforgettable moment from the first episode she ever saw of Sex and the City.
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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you a Charlotte? Okay, great, you guys, it's exciting. We have Tracy Tom's with us today.
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Speaker 2: We are going to talk the.
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Speaker 1: Devil Wors product. Absolutely, We're also going to talk about ghost Town. We are in season four. It's episode five. It's a cool and interesting episode written by Alan Heinberg, who you might remember wrote the episode in episode season three with the comic books. He was a new kind of different voice that came in and we're going to get him on the podcast at some point, you guys, because he's an interesting kind of a little bit of a departure that we fold in.
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Speaker 2: And it really is a cool episode that way. It's not typical and how it follows the four of you. It's right. It has a bit of a different vibe. Yeah, it has like a little eerie vibe to it.
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Speaker 1: And I've totally forgotten. I don't remember any of season four. I've told told our listeners before I'm rewatching it like with.
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Speaker 2: Totally fresh eyes.
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Speaker 1: I remember kind of vague things about it, but then I'm like, wow, I forgot.
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Speaker 2: About the ghosts. It's cool. Yeah, it's cool. Are there really ghosts?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there are ghosts, But is Miranda really.
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Speaker 2: Hearing Miranda really hearing ghosts? I don't think so. Yeah, but it's fun. Thank you, Cafe Flying.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, so let me ask you your history with the show, Like, did you watch it originally when it was on?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And when it was on I think I was in grad school when it was on, and I had no time. I don't watch anything. I didn't start watching it until until like way later. But we were all very, very affected by the culture of it. So it felt like I watched it, you know. I felt like, so, yeah, we're all drinking our Cosmo. But where did you go, Julia? Yeah, of course you have no time.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you had no time, but you were in New York.
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Speaker 2: It felt like we were all in it. We're all figured out who we were. Oh, yes, you know. And yes, the the like I said, the Cosmos and the Apple Martinis were very.
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Speaker 1: Apple Martinis happened a little later, but.
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Speaker 2: Yes, because this is what you know, you girls drink.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, you had to drink the drink. I do know, I do know, Sugar, you survived Juilliard.
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Speaker 2: That's impressive. I did. I just hunkered down and got through.
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Speaker 1: I don't know when you graduated, but do you know Ella Stiller? No, Ella Stiller's Ben's daughter, and she's on the comeback and she had been on and just like right, she's younger, Yeah, she's she's she just graduated like maybe two years ago. Oh okay, so yeah, No, she had a lot to say about the Juilliard program.
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Speaker 2: It's a lot and it was different, you know in the nineties. Yeah, well that was there from ninety seven and two thousand and one, got it. That is when I was there.
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Speaker 1: So you were there literally this This aired two thousand and one, so we were filming that spring and summer and airing, so you were literally like it in it at this time. Do you remember that summer as being quite glorious, because that's how I remember it, The summer of two thousand and one.
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Speaker 2: That was the summer I graduated.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, of course, Yeah, things happened.
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Speaker 1: Didn't really change everything. But to me, when I think of that summer, it's like in technicolor.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's beautiful. I would go because I was doing a show and out of school right after school in DC, so go back up to New York on Mondays and like audition for stuff, right and run around the city and it was it was really beautiful then. And it really is so crazy that on that day, on September eleventh, so what we're talking about. It was so beautiful.
00:03:43
Speaker 1: It was so beautiful. I was flying that day.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so beautiful, clear skies, gorgeous.
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Speaker 1: Juice sky, I know, gorgeous weather, gorgeous weather. I had done a photo shoot the day before in the village on Jane Street. Oh wow, out on the street on the cobblestones, beautiful pictures, beautiful day. I had changed my flight from the tenth to the eleventh so I could do the photo shoot. It was the end of this season, right, so it was like a big season for our third season. It'd been like we got nominated for an Emmy and all the different things that we were doing a lot of press, and so I had changed my my we had wrapped the season. I had changed my flight home to the morning of the eleventh at nine am with me and my big dog, my big golden retrieval that we're on a plane. It didn't go well, No, it didn't go well. Yeah, it was a big day, but yeah, interesting because it seemed to me like when you see movies, you know, like not that it's like this fall of Rome, but like, you know, like the glory before the fall. That's how that summer felt.
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Speaker 2: Like everything was extra, everything was extra. The world was full of possibility. You know. It was exciting for us because we just graduated. Of course, it was a time and this and the city was sexy. It really was.
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Speaker 1: Really sexy, sexy time.
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Speaker 2: It's a sexy city. I know, it's got time.
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Speaker 1: Oh it's so sad to think about. But it's also like the you know, the the cycles and the ebbs and the flows, and you know. Then we did that episode that everyone thought that we had that we were writing in response to I Live, but we had really filmed it before, and it was like seasons change, you know, and it is true, like the city will always be fine, you can do anything to it, it will survive.
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Speaker 2: The people is very resilient. Yeah, yes it is.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: The time after that was very strange. And yeah, so the show that I was doing in d C is when I started watching the show. Okay right after that. Oh that's nice.
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Speaker 1: Did you watch it from the beginning or did you just kind of picked up. We can do that.
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Speaker 2: It was so interesting because when I first saw I expected it to be a certain way. Did you think it was going to be about shoes? No? No, no, okay no. I thought it was going to be more soapy and less camp camp, you know a little bit like funny. I feel like it's camp. Yeah, I Samantha's kind of camp, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like is this is this a clean show?
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Speaker 1: Oh? You can say whatever you want, okay.
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Speaker 2: Like the episode I started was when she was naked on the rooftop swimming with the guy and she's like a man shout, Samantha, shut up and show me your dick. And I was like, oh, this is the show episode? Yes, oh I understand, shut up and show me your dick. I was like, okay, wow, great. I don't know what I thought it was going to be.
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Speaker 1: You thought it was going to be softer, like the more in you window, Yes, like real, I mean.
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Speaker 2: And I know it was about sex, obviously, about sex, and soapy sex. It's not like now like in your face sex like that. I loved it, but I was like it was shocking, and I was shocked that I was shocked. I was like, why am I shocked?
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Speaker 1: Why did it was going to be also think about now, like because I was just thinking about Samantha in terms of her kind of you know, lack of apology for any of it, and really how rare that type of character is even now thirty years later, thirty years Yeah, it's insane.
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Speaker 2: And it's like every every girlfriend group compares themselves to you guys, you know what I mean in that moment and the moment I'm just picking up Brandon moments right now because it's money been in the movie, you know, the big iconic moment when Big left her yes and your face and we're all you my job was my job.
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Speaker 1: I know. I'm glad. It's so good as an actor to be a part of something that works, you know. And Michael Patrick, who wrote and directed the movie and who is our executive producer and writer and director at this point in the show. That day that we were filming, we filmed for a long time in the library. Outside the library, we shut down Fortieth Street in between two. It was a you know, huge, huge thing, right and everyone was very nervous about, you know, the showdown at the car when he does come, and we didn't have enough flower bouquets because we've been shooting many days and now were starting to wilt. And but you know the things that you start worrying about, right, because she had to hit him with the flowers, so we needed flowers to be able to hit with that. But the floor exactly, and they had flower So Michael set up numerous cameras all around, like on cranes, there was handheld, there was all the different things, and he basically said to me in private, like your job is to get her back to the car and stop him from coming, right. But I didn't know what he was going to do, right, So I didn't know what he'd said to Chris. I didn't know what he'd said to Sin, Like we all had our own private direction, right, and then because he decided to keep coming, I had that was all ad libbed, right, I mean, it worked out so perfect, but you never know, right, like it said, magic when it works, you know, and you're just so happy that it was.
00:08:51
Speaker 2: About so great and that moment was so hard to get, right, I said, because the anticipation of it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all those years yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, totally totally totally. But it's fun to look back too, because like, sometimes those are the things that I remember, and those are the things I think about. But as I'm rewatching, there's so many different layers and moments for all these relationships. And to see Aiden and Carry back at the in season four where they've been broken up and then he comes back and he's got the hair cut.
00:09:22
Speaker 2: And he's way so sparkly, totally Sparkley, totally spark.
00:09:28
Speaker 1: Which apparently who am I. Charlotte really feels strongly about the church Boise Jewelry, which I did not.
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Speaker 3: Remember any of this, Like it's all kind of entertaining, but then, like Carrie, it's so sad and you really wanted to work out with them when you're watching them because they have great chemistry and you kind of forget about Big, but also they have.
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Speaker 1: Great chemistry, Like it's kind of amazing. And I give that credit to all the actors.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, because most most of us have a big you know, I have a big big.
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Speaker 1: It was nothing like that big though.
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Speaker 2: My big was like not yeah, not like that. I mean, Bige was like super successful and you know that came in and out, but just the one you think is the one. Yes, you know who's not the one, but it's the one who's like you're trying to catch him, right, you know for years like well they won't they you know what I mean? And you know everybody has a big not everybody, but a lot of people have a big I think a lot of people. But but what age and experience teaches us is that often but it's not the one, it's the one after definitely eighten exactly and.
00:10:33
Speaker 1: Then exactly when I watched them in this particular iteration, I'm like, they need to be together.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's so interesting because you know Carrie has she's just dreading it and dreading and dreading and going to the thing. I'm not going to go. I'm not going to the bar, but I need you to come to the bar and need to come with me, you know, I'm a random Steve are so adorable, so adorable. And then he sees her and like nods at her, and I'm like, it's back on.
00:10:57
Speaker 1: I mean, that's also so and we're jumping around. But it's fun when they go out in the back and they have that cake.
00:11:04
Speaker 2: Yea, that moment is so good, sparkly, it's like the sun came out sparkly, but it's also very dark and sex very sexy.
00:11:12
Speaker 1: And I think our director is Michael Spiller, our CP, right, and it's so beautifully lit, like it's his visual you know, storytelling is is really working on all the all the areas at that point. But also the acting is just so incredible. That's mostly what I think. I also think about the writing when I when I'm looking back, because I am kind of experiencing these episodes as though for the first time, because I can't really remember right, Like I didn't even remember my own storyline.
00:11:38
Speaker 2: There are a lot of.
00:11:39
Speaker 1: Those long time and sometimes I remember a lot and sometimes I don't, And I remember things like I remember filming in.
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Speaker 2: Burgdorf where we're laying in the beds.
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Speaker 1: I remember it was always really fun to go film and Barnies or Burgdorf is like, you know, a big deal, you know what I mean. And I remember Franny such a great actress who played Buddies so wonderful, so great, And I know for me because she as a person was basically just opposite Bunny, like a fully different, very maternal, very caretaker, very funny and light like totally opposite Bunny, and I know there's a scene where I'm with her in the store and she's being like low grade passive aggressive, you know, mean to me, And I feel like I could just see myself as an actor, like just enjoying her so much and then also trying to Charlotte and be annoyed.
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Speaker 2: Crazy You're like, I feel like I'm in the audience. I just bought a ticket and I'm just watching you act, you know, like like I'm just in the audience. Oh right, I have to act with you, right, I remind myself.
00:12:37
Speaker 1: I mean just enjoying right, She's not right like Charlotte's not.
00:12:42
Speaker 2: It's so interesting. But I love the the we've got.
00:12:46
Speaker 1: I think this is one of the ones too, And in general this season, all the storylines really work really well, Like everyone's got a good storyline.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, numbers going through growing pains on a more mature way. I think. Yeah, it's the season four, so true. You know, Samantha's tryn are like, Okay, now we're in a lesbian relationship. Great, well but not, but no, shut up and show me your dick is not with a woman. I know, and it's not going great. It's not going great, because it's not her energy at all. I mean, I understand that it would be interesting to explore if you're open to it, and it's kind of maternal sometimes or kind of like nurturing or but she didn't want that. She doesn't want that. She definitely doesn't want that. She doesn't want it.
00:13:29
Speaker 1: Shets to It's not it's like trying to put a square pegging down home.
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Speaker 2: It's it's still hilarious, or just in the tub, in the tub, let's talk. I don't want to talk anymore. I mean that I was.
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Speaker 1: I was about to jump out of my skin watching that.
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Speaker 2: I know She's just like, yeah, it's just like, how do you not know that your partner is not enjoying this totally at all? Are you paying attention because she does like this?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 2: I agree?
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Speaker 1: I agree when I was watching it, I mean, I love the idea of her, Mamantha trying something different, and what would be different A woman would be totally a significant relationship with a woman, What would be totally different, not just a pling or whatever. But also like they go to the bar and all those different guys are hitting on Samantha and Maria's just mad. I'm like, but didn't you know who should know who?
00:14:17
Speaker 2: She was?
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Speaker 1: Right? So my Hyundai hot take for this episode, which is episode five of season four called ghost Town, I'm gonna have to go with when Carrie and Aiden finally talk outside the bar when they've gone to the opening of Scout and Aidan just nodded at her and she thinks that's all she's gonna get.
00:14:44
Speaker 2: She's like, is that okay all I get?
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Speaker 1: And then they're outside he's smoking a cigar, which is so odd and interesting, and then she's got cake, but she drops her fork, which I felt like was just a mistake that happened, but maybe it was in the script. I don't know. It all seems so real, and the thing that I love about it is that Carrie's so uncomfortable and obviously just kind of longing for him and feeling all her feelings, and he seems very covered, but yet their chemistry is still very much at play, but he's not really letting on how he feels, which is really interesting.
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Speaker 2: Though.
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Speaker 1: She's like, oh, how am I going to eat my cake? And then he says, oh, I'll feed you your cake or something like that, and then she goes, oh, your fingers are all in it, and then he just kind of puts it in her mouth and then she's got frosting on her lip. But then Steve comes out and says that he has to go because they're going to do their toast, So he leaves without really showing his feelings, you know, which I think is really interesting. But you as an audience, you're aware how much Carrie is feeling, and their chemistry is obviously very very much in evidence. So that's going to be my Hondai hot take, celebrating iconic moments, bold moves, and unforgettable style, just like Hyundai. So wait, if you jumped in the middle when you first started, did you ever go back and watch?
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Speaker 2: No? I always gott to jump in wherever if Wow, but when and just like that came my partner, I religiously just like that and it made sense and it did good and it makes you like know these women and they're so iconic, like you know the stories.
00:16:19
Speaker 1: Yes, yes that's true, you may not know all the every single detail, but it doesn't really make.
00:16:24
Speaker 2: Who's who and totally stuff like that. I care about the all the details. I needed to be an order, you know, I mean because It's good to know because also like because it was such a huge part of our lexicon. I was very much clear in our friend group that I was you. I was I was absolutely I'm not friendly at that time. Now I'm more Miranda, but I was a mix between you and Miranda. Most people were like a mix of two Samantha. I just love Samantha and wish I could have been a Samantha, but was totally not very traditional. I mean, it's hard, romantic girlt it, got it, got it.
00:17:02
Speaker 3: You know.
00:17:03
Speaker 1: Why would you say you're more Miranda now?
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Speaker 2: Because Brand's like the boss. I mean, she's like the She takes care of definitely, you know what I mean. She she just gets it done. She doesn't know what I mean. She takes care of her girls. But she's also not afraid to tell her girls. And I'm messing out, what are you doing? You know? Definitely it's great one of those.
00:17:22
Speaker 1: Watching her do that.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I didn't really realize until I was rewatching it how often she tells us the truth.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a true know, she's the truth tell her. She's very logical, non emotional, you know, so in that way, I'm very much like her. Got it, especially as I get older. None of those matters, you know. And I have like young friends who are like in their twenties or whatever. They're like, oh my god. I'm like, oh my god, this is so non important. But I understand it's important to you now in your mindset and where you are developmentally, right, But as a fifty year old, it doesn't matter.
00:17:57
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the devil Words part of for a second. She Frank is one of our directors. I know, how is he doing.
00:18:02
Speaker 2: He's great. Good.
00:18:04
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. You guys made a second.
00:18:06
Speaker 2: He's great. Yeah. And I didn't know for the longest time I was coming back or not. No, that's stress. I didn't, you know, And I just had to let it go, right because, like the friends are like, do we think she still has those friends?
00:18:16
Speaker 1: Do I think if she does have those friends, I think that's a positive thing because I think it's nice to still have those friends and to have that anchor character.
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Speaker 2: But I wasn't sure, right. I don't don't think the writer was sure either. Got it So all of a sudden, it's like, Okay, you're in it. It's It's it's like in a month and a half, I'm like, oh my god, Okay, what am I doing? Right? Who was Lily now? You know? Right?
00:18:41
Speaker 1: And did you like the answers?
00:18:43
Speaker 2: I did? Oh? Good, good, good? I did, and they made sense to me. You know. It's like, because after twenty years, you're you're probably still going to be friends with your girlfriend, I would hope, so, you know, probably not still with your ex. Right, But Nate is not there in the film. They broke up the end of the movie. He moved to Boston, right. But yeah, but this is the first time we did it. It was just what are we doing, Oh, it's going to be a cute rom com situation or something, and had no idea it would be the global sensation that it turned into. Thank got it. It did.
00:19:17
Speaker 1: It was exciting to watch.
00:19:18
Speaker 2: I really had no idea. I mean, I don't think anyone ever knows.
00:19:22
Speaker 1: And I think anytime that you're doing a female driven movie, there's always so much doubt, which is so stupid. You know, it's just never ending doubt in our business about female led projects. I mean, Merril's been out there talking about it, which I really love about, like how low the expectations were, how they had trouble getting funding the first time, how they had trouble getting closed the first time, all the different things, because no one ever thinks that we're going to do well. Yeah, and then you do well and everyone's shocked, shocked, I tell.
00:19:53
Speaker 2: You, yeah, shocked. But you know, I mean, and I guess just was known for Princess Diaries. She was doing for like doing more kids stuff, even that kids stuff you don't so this was a big deal for her. I remember being very stressful for her doing it the first time. She's like, oh God, this is an adult, you know. And it's interesting because you know, Entourage was at the top of its fame at that time, so Adrian was the big star in the group. Nooge was yeah crazy, so he was the one with Dan's trying to come up to us all the time. Wow wow wow, you know. And Wrent had not come out yet. So I remember shooting the scene in the coffee shop. I missed the coffee shop in New York one place. Yeah, we shot in there, the big per scene where I'm like, did this stuff? We shot that in the day. The soundtrack dropped for Rent, just sitting there and my manager brought me the CD like he went to Tower Records and got it. So it's all this like fun stuff around it. Yeah, when we were shooting it, these.
00:21:00
Speaker 1: Were good times.
00:21:01
Speaker 2: It were that time.
00:21:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, my kids are so forever. Like they did Rent at my daughter's high school and I was like, oh, yeah, I know Rent. And she was like, what do you mean. I said, I saw Rent on Broadway, I know Adina, And.
00:21:15
Speaker 2: She's like, what do you mean. I was like, you know their nun walker. They were school together.
00:21:21
Speaker 1: She's like, wait, they were in it.
00:21:23
Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, baby, yeah on Broadway in the movie. These are the people that we know. Like, it's weird for them to make those leaps things.
00:21:32
Speaker 1: They actually care about, you know what I'm saying. It's interesting, but it's fun. It's fun to have that history. And I told her about going to get tickets and all the rent heads being sleeping on the sidewalk had to like leap over them to get to the box office or whatever. It was good times.
00:21:47
Speaker 2: It was a good time. Yeah.
00:21:49
Speaker 1: Oh god, Jesse Jesse, Oh, I love Jesse so much.
00:21:53
Speaker 2: Jesse is one of the best human beings that Jesse I have ever known.
00:21:59
Speaker 1: Agree incredible person.
00:22:01
Speaker 2: Just one. Let you know that I love you, you're great.
00:22:09
Speaker 1: He's a good like cheerleader like support. Absolutely absolutely. Remember we used to do the big Revlon Run walk for breast cancer and for some reason, he was always there. He was like a mainstay. And I went every year and hosted it and I would speak to the huge audience of people survivors, and you know, it's always very intense, and Jess he was always there. It was so wonderful. I don't know, I don't know when I first met Jesse. Jesse was just always there and such a bright light, such a light to see. Anyway, back to Devil's were product. So Devil Wor's Parduct two coming out very soon, very exciting. Molly Rogers, our own Molly Rogers back in there, getting all kind of comments on the clothes. You know.
00:22:53
Speaker 2: Luckily she's used to it. Yeah, she's used to it, and just such a I you know what I mean. She put things together and I'm like, how did you see that? What happened? Think of this dress? At this dress I tried on, okay, and it was really lovely, flowy dress, and she's like, hmm, and I was like, I love this dress, but it feels a little and it's like she just feels a little lady. Oh, and I said, it does it, That's exactly what it feels like with a little lady. It's okay, what if we wear it as a jacket? Oh, I said, like a duster, So dress as duster instead of late dresses lady. Yeah, and I'm like, yeah, we put on some funky pants and like a tank top and the dress open. Such a cool look.
00:23:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. She changes stuff up all the time.
00:23:46
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:23:46
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a lot of Charlotte's clothes and sometimes I can wear them because the way that I would sell them is so completely boring. However, she would be getting it all together and thank God right so that I can just incorporate some of it into you know, how I look. She's less exciting than how Charlotte is.
00:24:06
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you can't dress like that all the time now. A lot of times it's just I mean, sometimes I won't watch it, and whatever outfit Carrie had on the day, I'm like, that's ridiculous, A big thing you have on your head or the thing. It's so great for the show, but I totally think of it in real life. If I saw someone walking down the street outfits you can do more. I mean, you do that would be like, oh.
00:24:29
Speaker 1: It will be a thing, for sure, for sure, for sure, I would I would notice it, Sarah says. And I get this that that you know, Carrie's a creative person, right, she's a writer, and so her way that she's expressing herself just on a regular daily basis is through her outfits.
00:24:42
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:24:43
Speaker 1: Right, And I think if you, if you think about that, it does make sense. And Sarah doesn't dress like that obviously, you know. I mean she dresses up when she asked you, but like her regular thing, but she has like a uniform, She's very uniform. And then but Carrie is like the opposite of that, you know. So she's a always looks good.
00:24:59
Speaker 2: But it's it's a lot. If I saw it in life, I would be staring at her, and no one stares at her in the show. She just walks on the street. That's a good point.
00:25:08
Speaker 1: Though. I do think when she wore that really big hat and then just like that, I do think people were actually staring at her in Washington Square Park, which is kind of funny because in Washington Square Park there's a lot going on.
00:25:18
Speaker 2: It was, but that hat was it was? That hat was wild?
00:25:33
Speaker 1: Did you realize? So this is the final season right where she's moved into the last season.
00:25:37
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, so I'm not all the way caught up. Let me explain this season one? Got it?
00:25:41
Speaker 1: Okay, So let me explain what happens, just the gist of it, because I still think that people don't know, and Molly and I have talked about it on this podcast, but I still think that it doesn't necessarily people don't realize this. So Carrie moves in to a Brownstone and Gramercy Park from the eighteen sixties basically, and she ends up writing a historical fiction type of a novel of a woman who would have lived there in her mind, right, she starts having kind of like fantasies of this woman who lived in that house back originally, and she starts dressing in ways that are influenced by that time period.
00:26:16
Speaker 2: That season two, Yes, season three.
00:26:19
Speaker 1: This is why she wears that hat. She ends up having dresses with subtle bustles and under makes sense but never said, right, It's just how genius Sara, Jessca and Molly are at putting in details slowly, so like as the season goes on her, Uh, what do you call the word of like how you're oh, it's gonna come to me your shape of the dress. Thank you, silhouette, thank you so much. Good on her. Silhouette subtly starts to shift as the season goes on, and sometimes you're just seeing pictures. You don't have any idea, right, do you know what I mean? Suing that right? And I mean the bondd is bige Okay, no, no, no, not try and say it's not. But there was a reason.
00:27:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a reason. I think it's also really fun about it. It's really fun. Sarah could just wear these clothes, just wore them like it was completely normal exactly, and it's like, so you buy it. It's like yeah, yeah.
00:27:25
Speaker 1: I know right right, I mean there are women in your.
00:27:31
Speaker 2: Women who do I know, I have friends who do right.
00:27:33
Speaker 1: It's interesting.
00:27:34
Speaker 2: I'm like always on a heel, like always in a hill, right, I don't do it right? Well, you know a lot of people can't do it after COVID, after COVID, after COVID because not because they had COVID, but because we were on lockdown for so long that women weren't wearing heels and it actually changes your shape or your foot. It's true.
00:27:53
Speaker 1: If you walk on a I would work and then we would not work, and then we would have to go back to work and be in those shoes rights now today and I would have a whole foot prep workout with a tennis ball. Oh well, get the feedback. Yeah, you have to walk around on your toes. You to get used to it or else you're in a lot of pain.
00:28:09
Speaker 2: And a lot of pain. Get that. And this girl I follow, she's a blogger. He was lovey, she's great, had a whole big shoe collection in Africvid. She was like, I need to talk about this. Wow, I cannot wear my shoes and got rid of her shoes. I can't wear them anymore. What happened? And then a pan dire twist jumped in and was like, this is what's happening. You're not making it up. Your feet actually spread and you don't wear heels all the time. You go months with If you're wearing heels all the time and you go months without wearing them, your the shape of your feet changes. So she had to sell.
00:28:44
Speaker 1: A sneakers to look at my feet.
00:28:47
Speaker 2: She's a sneaker head. Now, yeah, you want doing sneakers now I'm selling my shoes. But it fantastic. It was so enlightening. So now when I have a vent or something like that, and I mean, because you always want to very a heel, yeah, it's there's a moment, there's a yeah. It was like like a minute where it's like I'm fine, I'm not fine, fine, fine, I'm not fine. I've had those moments, saw my feet off, call the car. I have had those moments too, cry and they get numb after a while. I hate that. I hate that.
00:29:21
Speaker 1: Are you going to go out and do all the stuff and the premiere?
00:29:25
Speaker 2: The premiere cool? And you're yeah, yeah, and I'm doing things like this fantastic.
00:29:30
Speaker 1: We're so happy to have you. How do you feel do you feel like people are going to like the storylines and everything?
00:29:35
Speaker 2: And I think people are excited. It really makes sense.
00:29:37
Speaker 3: Good.
00:29:38
Speaker 2: A friend of mine who's really good at like writing stories, I said, what do you think the story is? What do you think would make sense? And it was almost exactly what I think. They're probably this has happening, something that's really close cool. So it just said to me that it really does make sense and logical sense, and what will be happening good with these.
00:29:57
Speaker 1: I just love to see the anticipation and the appetite because we need more movies like these, and I do think it can open and be a theatrical experience. Which now the whole thing is like, is it worthy of going to the movie theater? And yes, the answer is yes.
00:30:12
Speaker 3: We need to.
00:30:12
Speaker 2: Support like chooze tickets already. Yes, there's a little panbag that's popcorn, that holds a popcorn.
00:30:20
Speaker 1: Oh my god, No, that is adorable.
00:30:23
Speaker 2: What it's like the propotional thing. I know it's AMC Disney. We need to investigate. There's a little handbag. It's a little red handbag for the popcorn. This is a great idea, I know. I'm like, this is really there's key chains. We go way, thank you. That's so cute. We love it. We love I need to get one and do the gaming gaming with that.
00:30:45
Speaker 1: I mean I want one too. We need to go to the AMC to see The Devil is Proud of too, so that we can get ourselves a popcorn handbag.
00:30:54
Speaker 2: Popcorn handbag.
00:30:54
Speaker 1: I'm down with it.
00:30:56
Speaker 2: Okay, it's such a good idea.
00:30:57
Speaker 1: I'm right, gosh, we should have come up with that idea. But I'm glad. I'm glad that that is for you guys. I'm very excited. I'm super supportive of this film, and I can't wait to see it.
00:31:06
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm very very I can't wait to see it either. I think it's gonna be fun. And it's a cast of thousands, that's okay. So many people in the movie. Well, they kept adding me, so many amazing people. I know in the movie that people show up.
00:31:20
Speaker 1: I know.
00:31:22
Speaker 2: I just said, I know, I know. But it was really weird being there and the table reads because there we were everyone's nervous. Yeah, I thought it was just me, you know, Meryl's nervous, you know what I mean. And she's like, oh, I didn't get the script downloaded last night, you know, so she's going to do that thing, and and it's like I can't eat anything. I just can't. I just can't. My stomach so excited pressure, and you know, and Emily's there like just you know, we're looking at each other like it's been twenty years and look at us. And day one of shooting the first day of shooting, the first shot was me and ann oh right day one where they're like, here we go. You know, the camera guys are the same. No way, that's nice. It was amazing.
00:32:06
Speaker 1: I'm so so nice.
00:32:09
Speaker 2: That's so nice.
00:32:09
Speaker 1: When we went back to work, we did not have the same camera crew because everyone is a very big deal now, which is good for them because they deserve to be because they did incredible work. But I was like, wait, I thought they would hop them back. You know, we had a great we had a great crew who came back, who came you know what I mean.
00:32:28
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
00:32:29
Speaker 1: There's a lot of incredible people out there who do our job.
00:32:33
Speaker 2: Thank God. All right, let's talk about the show. So here we are.
00:32:36
Speaker 1: We're back back with our show ghost Town. So in this episode, it's about being haunted by your exes. But Miranda also thinks that she might have an actual ghost, which is kind of funny and I've forgotten all about it. But she's in bed alone with her cats, and she said to the girls the next day that her cat, Fatty is the cat's name, which I'd also forgotten heard the ghost as well, Yeah, it looks right. The cats aw like looking around. And then she says she tells the girls later that she got these super to let her in upstairs and then nobody living there, right, And they kind of play slightly eerie music and it's like a whole different vibe for our show. And I really enjoyed it. And I also didn't remember it, so I was like, what is going to happen? Yeah, but it's really just about the emotional memory of the exes, I think.
00:33:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And it really does feel like you're haunted by your ghost by your desks, feel that way. I remember all feeling haunted by by my ex's in the past, Like I wouldn't go to certain places I was so afraid that they were going to be there. Well, in New York especially was going to remind me of the time when we were there together. Of course, so a couple of restaurants were haunted for me for a while, and I exercise them and certain.
00:33:47
Speaker 1: Blocks can talk to because you know where they walk and where they live, and you have to avoid those blocks. That's awkward. I hate that.
00:33:55
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:56
Speaker 1: I was always happy when either I moved away or they moved away. In New York, you know, because like in LA you're in your car, so you don't have exactly the same way you You might have a restaurant worry, right, but you don't have the block, the neighborhood.
00:34:09
Speaker 2: The neighborhood that they have in New York. The day together totally.
00:34:15
Speaker 1: So stressful, so stressful. There was this one Brooklyn neighborhood that I always had back in the olden days pre show. I dated someone who had a like a brownstone I guess, or part of a brownstone in this one neighborhood in Brooklyn. And I didn't know Brooklyn at all. I had no reason to go to Brooklyn back there on the olden days. But this was it was really nice, and I was like, wow, this is very nice, you know, my naive self, this would be like nineteen ninety maybe. And then later on, when we were doing it just like that, my kids and I went and lived in Brooklyn, and I was like, is he here right, He's long gone? Okay, he's moved. Do you know what I mean? Intellectually I know this, but you just really feel like they're in the corner.
00:35:00
Speaker 2: You're gonna turn the corner and they're gonna be staying right there. It's gonna be horrible, and you're gonna be like, you know, and it's it's yeah.
00:35:09
Speaker 1: You guys, this is so much fun that we're gonna have to have a part two, so join us later in the week on Are You a Charlotte?
00:35:18
Speaker 2: Yeah,
Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Kristin Davis, and I want to know are you a Charlotte? Okay, great, you guys, it's exciting. We have Tracy Tom's with us today.
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Speaker 2: We are going to talk the.
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Speaker 1: Devil Wors product. Absolutely, We're also going to talk about ghost Town. We are in season four. It's episode five. It's a cool and interesting episode written by Alan Heinberg, who you might remember wrote the episode in episode season three with the comic books. He was a new kind of different voice that came in and we're going to get him on the podcast at some point, you guys, because he's an interesting kind of a little bit of a departure that we fold in.
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Speaker 2: And it really is a cool episode that way. It's not typical and how it follows the four of you. It's right. It has a bit of a different vibe. Yeah, it has like a little eerie vibe to it.
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Speaker 1: And I've totally forgotten. I don't remember any of season four. I've told told our listeners before I'm rewatching it like with.
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Speaker 2: Totally fresh eyes.
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Speaker 1: I remember kind of vague things about it, but then I'm like, wow, I forgot.
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Speaker 2: About the ghosts. It's cool. Yeah, it's cool. Are there really ghosts?
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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there are ghosts, But is Miranda really.
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Speaker 2: Hearing Miranda really hearing ghosts? I don't think so. Yeah, but it's fun. Thank you, Cafe Flying.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Okay, so let me ask you your history with the show, Like, did you watch it originally when it was on?
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And when it was on I think I was in grad school when it was on, and I had no time. I don't watch anything. I didn't start watching it until until like way later. But we were all very, very affected by the culture of it. So it felt like I watched it, you know. I felt like, so, yeah, we're all drinking our Cosmo. But where did you go, Julia? Yeah, of course you have no time.
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Speaker 1: Oh my god, you had no time, but you were in New York.
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Speaker 2: It felt like we were all in it. We're all figured out who we were. Oh, yes, you know. And yes, the the like I said, the Cosmos and the Apple Martinis were very.
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Speaker 1: Apple Martinis happened a little later, but.
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Speaker 2: Yes, because this is what you know, you girls drink.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, you had to drink the drink. I do know, I do know, Sugar, you survived Juilliard.
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Speaker 2: That's impressive. I did. I just hunkered down and got through.
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Speaker 1: I don't know when you graduated, but do you know Ella Stiller? No, Ella Stiller's Ben's daughter, and she's on the comeback and she had been on and just like right, she's younger, Yeah, she's she's she just graduated like maybe two years ago. Oh okay, so yeah, No, she had a lot to say about the Juilliard program.
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Speaker 2: It's a lot and it was different, you know in the nineties. Yeah, well that was there from ninety seven and two thousand and one, got it. That is when I was there.
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Speaker 1: So you were there literally this This aired two thousand and one, so we were filming that spring and summer and airing, so you were literally like it in it at this time. Do you remember that summer as being quite glorious, because that's how I remember it, The summer of two thousand and one.
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Speaker 2: That was the summer I graduated.
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Speaker 1: Wow.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, of course, Yeah, things happened.
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Speaker 1: Didn't really change everything. But to me, when I think of that summer, it's like in technicolor.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's beautiful. I would go because I was doing a show and out of school right after school in DC, so go back up to New York on Mondays and like audition for stuff, right and run around the city and it was it was really beautiful then. And it really is so crazy that on that day, on September eleventh, so what we're talking about. It was so beautiful.
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Speaker 1: It was so beautiful. I was flying that day.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, so beautiful, clear skies, gorgeous.
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Speaker 1: Juice sky, I know, gorgeous weather, gorgeous weather. I had done a photo shoot the day before in the village on Jane Street. Oh wow, out on the street on the cobblestones, beautiful pictures, beautiful day. I had changed my flight from the tenth to the eleventh so I could do the photo shoot. It was the end of this season, right, so it was like a big season for our third season. It'd been like we got nominated for an Emmy and all the different things that we were doing a lot of press, and so I had changed my my we had wrapped the season. I had changed my flight home to the morning of the eleventh at nine am with me and my big dog, my big golden retrieval that we're on a plane. It didn't go well, No, it didn't go well. Yeah, it was a big day, but yeah, interesting because it seemed to me like when you see movies, you know, like not that it's like this fall of Rome, but like, you know, like the glory before the fall. That's how that summer felt.
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Speaker 2: Like everything was extra, everything was extra. The world was full of possibility. You know. It was exciting for us because we just graduated. Of course, it was a time and this and the city was sexy. It really was.
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Speaker 1: Really sexy, sexy time.
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Speaker 2: It's a sexy city. I know, it's got time.
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Speaker 1: Oh it's so sad to think about. But it's also like the you know, the the cycles and the ebbs and the flows, and you know. Then we did that episode that everyone thought that we had that we were writing in response to I Live, but we had really filmed it before, and it was like seasons change, you know, and it is true, like the city will always be fine, you can do anything to it, it will survive.
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Speaker 2: The people is very resilient. Yeah, yes it is.
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Speaker 1: You know.
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Speaker 2: The time after that was very strange. And yeah, so the show that I was doing in d C is when I started watching the show. Okay right after that. Oh that's nice.
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Speaker 1: Did you watch it from the beginning or did you just kind of picked up. We can do that.
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Speaker 2: It was so interesting because when I first saw I expected it to be a certain way. Did you think it was going to be about shoes? No? No, no, okay no. I thought it was going to be more soapy and less camp camp, you know a little bit like funny. I feel like it's camp. Yeah, I Samantha's kind of camp, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, it's kind of like is this is this a clean show?
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Speaker 1: Oh? You can say whatever you want, okay.
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Speaker 2: Like the episode I started was when she was naked on the rooftop swimming with the guy and she's like a man shout, Samantha, shut up and show me your dick. And I was like, oh, this is the show episode? Yes, oh I understand, shut up and show me your dick. I was like, okay, wow, great. I don't know what I thought it was going to be.
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Speaker 1: You thought it was going to be softer, like the more in you window, Yes, like real, I mean.
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Speaker 2: And I know it was about sex, obviously, about sex, and soapy sex. It's not like now like in your face sex like that. I loved it, but I was like it was shocking, and I was shocked that I was shocked. I was like, why am I shocked?
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Speaker 1: Why did it was going to be also think about now, like because I was just thinking about Samantha in terms of her kind of you know, lack of apology for any of it, and really how rare that type of character is even now thirty years later, thirty years Yeah, it's insane.
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Speaker 2: And it's like every every girlfriend group compares themselves to you guys, you know what I mean in that moment and the moment I'm just picking up Brandon moments right now because it's money been in the movie, you know, the big iconic moment when Big left her yes and your face and we're all you my job was my job.
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Speaker 1: I know. I'm glad. It's so good as an actor to be a part of something that works, you know. And Michael Patrick, who wrote and directed the movie and who is our executive producer and writer and director at this point in the show. That day that we were filming, we filmed for a long time in the library. Outside the library, we shut down Fortieth Street in between two. It was a you know, huge, huge thing, right and everyone was very nervous about, you know, the showdown at the car when he does come, and we didn't have enough flower bouquets because we've been shooting many days and now were starting to wilt. And but you know the things that you start worrying about, right, because she had to hit him with the flowers, so we needed flowers to be able to hit with that. But the floor exactly, and they had flower So Michael set up numerous cameras all around, like on cranes, there was handheld, there was all the different things, and he basically said to me in private, like your job is to get her back to the car and stop him from coming, right. But I didn't know what he was going to do, right, So I didn't know what he'd said to Chris. I didn't know what he'd said to Sin, Like we all had our own private direction, right, and then because he decided to keep coming, I had that was all ad libbed, right, I mean, it worked out so perfect, but you never know, right, like it said, magic when it works, you know, and you're just so happy that it was.
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Speaker 2: About so great and that moment was so hard to get, right, I said, because the anticipation of it.
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, all those years yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, totally totally totally. But it's fun to look back too, because like, sometimes those are the things that I remember, and those are the things I think about. But as I'm rewatching, there's so many different layers and moments for all these relationships. And to see Aiden and Carry back at the in season four where they've been broken up and then he comes back and he's got the hair cut.
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Speaker 2: And he's way so sparkly, totally Sparkley, totally spark.
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Speaker 1: Which apparently who am I. Charlotte really feels strongly about the church Boise Jewelry, which I did not.
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Speaker 3: Remember any of this, Like it's all kind of entertaining, but then, like Carrie, it's so sad and you really wanted to work out with them when you're watching them because they have great chemistry and you kind of forget about Big, but also they have.
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Speaker 1: Great chemistry, Like it's kind of amazing. And I give that credit to all the actors.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, because most most of us have a big you know, I have a big big.
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Speaker 1: It was nothing like that big though.
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Speaker 2: My big was like not yeah, not like that. I mean, Bige was like super successful and you know that came in and out, but just the one you think is the one. Yes, you know who's not the one, but it's the one who's like you're trying to catch him, right, you know for years like well they won't they you know what I mean? And you know everybody has a big not everybody, but a lot of people have a big I think a lot of people. But but what age and experience teaches us is that often but it's not the one, it's the one after definitely eighten exactly and.
00:10:33
Speaker 1: Then exactly when I watched them in this particular iteration, I'm like, they need to be together.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's so interesting because you know Carrie has she's just dreading it and dreading and dreading and going to the thing. I'm not going to go. I'm not going to the bar, but I need you to come to the bar and need to come with me, you know, I'm a random Steve are so adorable, so adorable. And then he sees her and like nods at her, and I'm like, it's back on.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's also so and we're jumping around. But it's fun when they go out in the back and they have that cake.
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Speaker 2: Yea, that moment is so good, sparkly, it's like the sun came out sparkly, but it's also very dark and sex very sexy.
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Speaker 1: And I think our director is Michael Spiller, our CP, right, and it's so beautifully lit, like it's his visual you know, storytelling is is really working on all the all the areas at that point. But also the acting is just so incredible. That's mostly what I think. I also think about the writing when I when I'm looking back, because I am kind of experiencing these episodes as though for the first time, because I can't really remember right, Like I didn't even remember my own storyline.
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Speaker 2: There are a lot of.
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Speaker 1: Those long time and sometimes I remember a lot and sometimes I don't, And I remember things like I remember filming in.
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Speaker 2: Burgdorf where we're laying in the beds.
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Speaker 1: I remember it was always really fun to go film and Barnies or Burgdorf is like, you know, a big deal, you know what I mean. And I remember Franny such a great actress who played Buddies so wonderful, so great, And I know for me because she as a person was basically just opposite Bunny, like a fully different, very maternal, very caretaker, very funny and light like totally opposite Bunny, and I know there's a scene where I'm with her in the store and she's being like low grade passive aggressive, you know, mean to me, And I feel like I could just see myself as an actor, like just enjoying her so much and then also trying to Charlotte and be annoyed.
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Speaker 2: Crazy You're like, I feel like I'm in the audience. I just bought a ticket and I'm just watching you act, you know, like like I'm just in the audience. Oh right, I have to act with you, right, I remind myself.
00:12:37
Speaker 1: I mean just enjoying right, She's not right like Charlotte's not.
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Speaker 2: It's so interesting. But I love the the we've got.
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Speaker 1: I think this is one of the ones too, And in general this season, all the storylines really work really well, Like everyone's got a good storyline.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, numbers going through growing pains on a more mature way. I think. Yeah, it's the season four, so true. You know, Samantha's tryn are like, Okay, now we're in a lesbian relationship. Great, well but not, but no, shut up and show me your dick is not with a woman. I know, and it's not going great. It's not going great, because it's not her energy at all. I mean, I understand that it would be interesting to explore if you're open to it, and it's kind of maternal sometimes or kind of like nurturing or but she didn't want that. She doesn't want that. She definitely doesn't want that. She doesn't want it.
00:13:29
Speaker 1: Shets to It's not it's like trying to put a square pegging down home.
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Speaker 2: It's it's still hilarious, or just in the tub, in the tub, let's talk. I don't want to talk anymore. I mean that I was.
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Speaker 1: I was about to jump out of my skin watching that.
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Speaker 2: I know She's just like, yeah, it's just like, how do you not know that your partner is not enjoying this totally at all? Are you paying attention because she does like this?
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Speaker 1: No?
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Speaker 2: I agree?
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Speaker 1: I agree when I was watching it, I mean, I love the idea of her, Mamantha trying something different, and what would be different A woman would be totally a significant relationship with a woman, What would be totally different, not just a pling or whatever. But also like they go to the bar and all those different guys are hitting on Samantha and Maria's just mad. I'm like, but didn't you know who should know who?
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Speaker 2: She was?
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Speaker 1: Right? So my Hyundai hot take for this episode, which is episode five of season four called ghost Town, I'm gonna have to go with when Carrie and Aiden finally talk outside the bar when they've gone to the opening of Scout and Aidan just nodded at her and she thinks that's all she's gonna get.
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Speaker 2: She's like, is that okay all I get?
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Speaker 1: And then they're outside he's smoking a cigar, which is so odd and interesting, and then she's got cake, but she drops her fork, which I felt like was just a mistake that happened, but maybe it was in the script. I don't know. It all seems so real, and the thing that I love about it is that Carrie's so uncomfortable and obviously just kind of longing for him and feeling all her feelings, and he seems very covered, but yet their chemistry is still very much at play, but he's not really letting on how he feels, which is really interesting.
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Speaker 2: Though.
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Speaker 1: She's like, oh, how am I going to eat my cake? And then he says, oh, I'll feed you your cake or something like that, and then she goes, oh, your fingers are all in it, and then he just kind of puts it in her mouth and then she's got frosting on her lip. But then Steve comes out and says that he has to go because they're going to do their toast, So he leaves without really showing his feelings, you know, which I think is really interesting. But you as an audience, you're aware how much Carrie is feeling, and their chemistry is obviously very very much in evidence. So that's going to be my Hondai hot take, celebrating iconic moments, bold moves, and unforgettable style, just like Hyundai. So wait, if you jumped in the middle when you first started, did you ever go back and watch?
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Speaker 2: No? I always gott to jump in wherever if Wow, but when and just like that came my partner, I religiously just like that and it made sense and it did good and it makes you like know these women and they're so iconic, like you know the stories.
00:16:19
Speaker 1: Yes, yes that's true, you may not know all the every single detail, but it doesn't really make.
00:16:24
Speaker 2: Who's who and totally stuff like that. I care about the all the details. I needed to be an order, you know, I mean because It's good to know because also like because it was such a huge part of our lexicon. I was very much clear in our friend group that I was you. I was I was absolutely I'm not friendly at that time. Now I'm more Miranda, but I was a mix between you and Miranda. Most people were like a mix of two Samantha. I just love Samantha and wish I could have been a Samantha, but was totally not very traditional. I mean, it's hard, romantic girlt it, got it, got it.
00:17:02
Speaker 3: You know.
00:17:03
Speaker 1: Why would you say you're more Miranda now?
00:17:05
Speaker 2: Because Brand's like the boss. I mean, she's like the She takes care of definitely, you know what I mean. She she just gets it done. She doesn't know what I mean. She takes care of her girls. But she's also not afraid to tell her girls. And I'm messing out, what are you doing? You know? Definitely it's great one of those.
00:17:22
Speaker 1: Watching her do that.
00:17:23
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:17:23
Speaker 1: I didn't really realize until I was rewatching it how often she tells us the truth.
00:17:28
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's a true know, she's the truth tell her. She's very logical, non emotional, you know, so in that way, I'm very much like her. Got it, especially as I get older. None of those matters, you know. And I have like young friends who are like in their twenties or whatever. They're like, oh my god. I'm like, oh my god, this is so non important. But I understand it's important to you now in your mindset and where you are developmentally, right, But as a fifty year old, it doesn't matter.
00:17:57
Speaker 1: Let's talk about the devil Words part of for a second. She Frank is one of our directors. I know, how is he doing.
00:18:02
Speaker 2: He's great. Good.
00:18:04
Speaker 1: I'm so excited. You guys made a second.
00:18:06
Speaker 2: He's great. Yeah. And I didn't know for the longest time I was coming back or not. No, that's stress. I didn't, you know, And I just had to let it go, right because, like the friends are like, do we think she still has those friends?
00:18:16
Speaker 1: Do I think if she does have those friends, I think that's a positive thing because I think it's nice to still have those friends and to have that anchor character.
00:18:25
Speaker 2: But I wasn't sure, right. I don't don't think the writer was sure either. Got it So all of a sudden, it's like, Okay, you're in it. It's It's it's like in a month and a half, I'm like, oh my god, Okay, what am I doing? Right? Who was Lily now? You know? Right?
00:18:41
Speaker 1: And did you like the answers?
00:18:43
Speaker 2: I did? Oh? Good, good, good? I did, and they made sense to me. You know. It's like, because after twenty years, you're you're probably still going to be friends with your girlfriend, I would hope, so, you know, probably not still with your ex. Right, But Nate is not there in the film. They broke up the end of the movie. He moved to Boston, right. But yeah, but this is the first time we did it. It was just what are we doing, Oh, it's going to be a cute rom com situation or something, and had no idea it would be the global sensation that it turned into. Thank got it. It did.
00:19:17
Speaker 1: It was exciting to watch.
00:19:18
Speaker 2: I really had no idea. I mean, I don't think anyone ever knows.
00:19:22
Speaker 1: And I think anytime that you're doing a female driven movie, there's always so much doubt, which is so stupid. You know, it's just never ending doubt in our business about female led projects. I mean, Merril's been out there talking about it, which I really love about, like how low the expectations were, how they had trouble getting funding the first time, how they had trouble getting closed the first time, all the different things, because no one ever thinks that we're going to do well. Yeah, and then you do well and everyone's shocked, shocked, I tell.
00:19:53
Speaker 2: You, yeah, shocked. But you know, I mean, and I guess just was known for Princess Diaries. She was doing for like doing more kids stuff, even that kids stuff you don't so this was a big deal for her. I remember being very stressful for her doing it the first time. She's like, oh God, this is an adult, you know. And it's interesting because you know, Entourage was at the top of its fame at that time, so Adrian was the big star in the group. Nooge was yeah crazy, so he was the one with Dan's trying to come up to us all the time. Wow wow wow, you know. And Wrent had not come out yet. So I remember shooting the scene in the coffee shop. I missed the coffee shop in New York one place. Yeah, we shot in there, the big per scene where I'm like, did this stuff? We shot that in the day. The soundtrack dropped for Rent, just sitting there and my manager brought me the CD like he went to Tower Records and got it. So it's all this like fun stuff around it. Yeah, when we were shooting it, these.
00:21:00
Speaker 1: Were good times.
00:21:01
Speaker 2: It were that time.
00:21:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, my kids are so forever. Like they did Rent at my daughter's high school and I was like, oh, yeah, I know Rent. And she was like, what do you mean. I said, I saw Rent on Broadway, I know Adina, And.
00:21:15
Speaker 2: She's like, what do you mean. I was like, you know their nun walker. They were school together.
00:21:21
Speaker 1: She's like, wait, they were in it.
00:21:23
Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, baby, yeah on Broadway in the movie. These are the people that we know. Like, it's weird for them to make those leaps things.
00:21:32
Speaker 1: They actually care about, you know what I'm saying. It's interesting, but it's fun. It's fun to have that history. And I told her about going to get tickets and all the rent heads being sleeping on the sidewalk had to like leap over them to get to the box office or whatever. It was good times.
00:21:47
Speaker 2: It was a good time. Yeah.
00:21:49
Speaker 1: Oh god, Jesse Jesse, Oh, I love Jesse so much.
00:21:53
Speaker 2: Jesse is one of the best human beings that Jesse I have ever known.
00:21:59
Speaker 1: Agree incredible person.
00:22:01
Speaker 2: Just one. Let you know that I love you, you're great.
00:22:09
Speaker 1: He's a good like cheerleader like support. Absolutely absolutely. Remember we used to do the big Revlon Run walk for breast cancer and for some reason, he was always there. He was like a mainstay. And I went every year and hosted it and I would speak to the huge audience of people survivors, and you know, it's always very intense, and Jess he was always there. It was so wonderful. I don't know, I don't know when I first met Jesse. Jesse was just always there and such a bright light, such a light to see. Anyway, back to Devil's were product. So Devil Wor's Parduct two coming out very soon, very exciting. Molly Rogers, our own Molly Rogers back in there, getting all kind of comments on the clothes. You know.
00:22:53
Speaker 2: Luckily she's used to it. Yeah, she's used to it, and just such a I you know what I mean. She put things together and I'm like, how did you see that? What happened? Think of this dress? At this dress I tried on, okay, and it was really lovely, flowy dress, and she's like, hmm, and I was like, I love this dress, but it feels a little and it's like she just feels a little lady. Oh, and I said, it does it, That's exactly what it feels like with a little lady. It's okay, what if we wear it as a jacket? Oh, I said, like a duster, So dress as duster instead of late dresses lady. Yeah, and I'm like, yeah, we put on some funky pants and like a tank top and the dress open. Such a cool look.
00:23:43
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely. She changes stuff up all the time.
00:23:46
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:23:46
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a lot of Charlotte's clothes and sometimes I can wear them because the way that I would sell them is so completely boring. However, she would be getting it all together and thank God right so that I can just incorporate some of it into you know, how I look. She's less exciting than how Charlotte is.
00:24:06
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you can't dress like that all the time now. A lot of times it's just I mean, sometimes I won't watch it, and whatever outfit Carrie had on the day, I'm like, that's ridiculous, A big thing you have on your head or the thing. It's so great for the show, but I totally think of it in real life. If I saw someone walking down the street outfits you can do more. I mean, you do that would be like, oh.
00:24:29
Speaker 1: It will be a thing, for sure, for sure, for sure, I would I would notice it, Sarah says. And I get this that that you know, Carrie's a creative person, right, she's a writer, and so her way that she's expressing herself just on a regular daily basis is through her outfits.
00:24:42
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:24:43
Speaker 1: Right, And I think if you, if you think about that, it does make sense. And Sarah doesn't dress like that obviously, you know. I mean she dresses up when she asked you, but like her regular thing, but she has like a uniform, She's very uniform. And then but Carrie is like the opposite of that, you know. So she's a always looks good.
00:24:59
Speaker 2: But it's it's a lot. If I saw it in life, I would be staring at her, and no one stares at her in the show. She just walks on the street. That's a good point.
00:25:08
Speaker 1: Though. I do think when she wore that really big hat and then just like that, I do think people were actually staring at her in Washington Square Park, which is kind of funny because in Washington Square Park there's a lot going on.
00:25:18
Speaker 2: It was, but that hat was it was? That hat was wild?
00:25:33
Speaker 1: Did you realize? So this is the final season right where she's moved into the last season.
00:25:37
Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, so I'm not all the way caught up. Let me explain this season one? Got it?
00:25:41
Speaker 1: Okay, So let me explain what happens, just the gist of it, because I still think that people don't know, and Molly and I have talked about it on this podcast, but I still think that it doesn't necessarily people don't realize this. So Carrie moves in to a Brownstone and Gramercy Park from the eighteen sixties basically, and she ends up writing a historical fiction type of a novel of a woman who would have lived there in her mind, right, she starts having kind of like fantasies of this woman who lived in that house back originally, and she starts dressing in ways that are influenced by that time period.
00:26:16
Speaker 2: That season two, Yes, season three.
00:26:19
Speaker 1: This is why she wears that hat. She ends up having dresses with subtle bustles and under makes sense but never said, right, It's just how genius Sara, Jessca and Molly are at putting in details slowly, so like as the season goes on her, Uh, what do you call the word of like how you're oh, it's gonna come to me your shape of the dress. Thank you, silhouette, thank you so much. Good on her. Silhouette subtly starts to shift as the season goes on, and sometimes you're just seeing pictures. You don't have any idea, right, do you know what I mean? Suing that right? And I mean the bondd is bige Okay, no, no, no, not try and say it's not. But there was a reason.
00:27:08
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is a reason. I think it's also really fun about it. It's really fun. Sarah could just wear these clothes, just wore them like it was completely normal exactly, and it's like, so you buy it. It's like yeah, yeah.
00:27:25
Speaker 1: I know right right, I mean there are women in your.
00:27:31
Speaker 2: Women who do I know, I have friends who do right.
00:27:33
Speaker 1: It's interesting.
00:27:34
Speaker 2: I'm like always on a heel, like always in a hill, right, I don't do it right? Well, you know a lot of people can't do it after COVID, after COVID, after COVID because not because they had COVID, but because we were on lockdown for so long that women weren't wearing heels and it actually changes your shape or your foot. It's true.
00:27:53
Speaker 1: If you walk on a I would work and then we would not work, and then we would have to go back to work and be in those shoes rights now today and I would have a whole foot prep workout with a tennis ball. Oh well, get the feedback. Yeah, you have to walk around on your toes. You to get used to it or else you're in a lot of pain.
00:28:09
Speaker 2: And a lot of pain. Get that. And this girl I follow, she's a blogger. He was lovey, she's great, had a whole big shoe collection in Africvid. She was like, I need to talk about this. Wow, I cannot wear my shoes and got rid of her shoes. I can't wear them anymore. What happened? And then a pan dire twist jumped in and was like, this is what's happening. You're not making it up. Your feet actually spread and you don't wear heels all the time. You go months with If you're wearing heels all the time and you go months without wearing them, your the shape of your feet changes. So she had to sell.
00:28:44
Speaker 1: A sneakers to look at my feet.
00:28:47
Speaker 2: She's a sneaker head. Now, yeah, you want doing sneakers now I'm selling my shoes. But it fantastic. It was so enlightening. So now when I have a vent or something like that, and I mean, because you always want to very a heel, yeah, it's there's a moment, there's a yeah. It was like like a minute where it's like I'm fine, I'm not fine, fine, fine, I'm not fine. I've had those moments, saw my feet off, call the car. I have had those moments too, cry and they get numb after a while. I hate that. I hate that.
00:29:21
Speaker 1: Are you going to go out and do all the stuff and the premiere?
00:29:25
Speaker 2: The premiere cool? And you're yeah, yeah, and I'm doing things like this fantastic.
00:29:30
Speaker 1: We're so happy to have you. How do you feel do you feel like people are going to like the storylines and everything?
00:29:35
Speaker 2: And I think people are excited. It really makes sense.
00:29:37
Speaker 3: Good.
00:29:38
Speaker 2: A friend of mine who's really good at like writing stories, I said, what do you think the story is? What do you think would make sense? And it was almost exactly what I think. They're probably this has happening, something that's really close cool. So it just said to me that it really does make sense and logical sense, and what will be happening good with these.
00:29:57
Speaker 1: I just love to see the anticipation and the appetite because we need more movies like these, and I do think it can open and be a theatrical experience. Which now the whole thing is like, is it worthy of going to the movie theater? And yes, the answer is yes.
00:30:12
Speaker 3: We need to.
00:30:12
Speaker 2: Support like chooze tickets already. Yes, there's a little panbag that's popcorn, that holds a popcorn.
00:30:20
Speaker 1: Oh my god, No, that is adorable.
00:30:23
Speaker 2: What it's like the propotional thing. I know it's AMC Disney. We need to investigate. There's a little handbag. It's a little red handbag for the popcorn. This is a great idea, I know. I'm like, this is really there's key chains. We go way, thank you. That's so cute. We love it. We love I need to get one and do the gaming gaming with that.
00:30:45
Speaker 1: I mean I want one too. We need to go to the AMC to see The Devil is Proud of too, so that we can get ourselves a popcorn handbag.
00:30:54
Speaker 2: Popcorn handbag.
00:30:54
Speaker 1: I'm down with it.
00:30:56
Speaker 2: Okay, it's such a good idea.
00:30:57
Speaker 1: I'm right, gosh, we should have come up with that idea. But I'm glad. I'm glad that that is for you guys. I'm very excited. I'm super supportive of this film, and I can't wait to see it.
00:31:06
Speaker 2: Thank you. I'm very very I can't wait to see it either. I think it's gonna be fun. And it's a cast of thousands, that's okay. So many people in the movie. Well, they kept adding me, so many amazing people. I know in the movie that people show up.
00:31:20
Speaker 1: I know.
00:31:22
Speaker 2: I just said, I know, I know. But it was really weird being there and the table reads because there we were everyone's nervous. Yeah, I thought it was just me, you know, Meryl's nervous, you know what I mean. And she's like, oh, I didn't get the script downloaded last night, you know, so she's going to do that thing, and and it's like I can't eat anything. I just can't. I just can't. My stomach so excited pressure, and you know, and Emily's there like just you know, we're looking at each other like it's been twenty years and look at us. And day one of shooting the first day of shooting, the first shot was me and ann oh right day one where they're like, here we go. You know, the camera guys are the same. No way, that's nice. It was amazing.
00:32:06
Speaker 1: I'm so so nice.
00:32:09
Speaker 2: That's so nice.
00:32:09
Speaker 1: When we went back to work, we did not have the same camera crew because everyone is a very big deal now, which is good for them because they deserve to be because they did incredible work. But I was like, wait, I thought they would hop them back. You know, we had a great we had a great crew who came back, who came you know what I mean.
00:32:28
Speaker 2: It's amazing.
00:32:29
Speaker 1: There's a lot of incredible people out there who do our job.
00:32:33
Speaker 2: Thank God. All right, let's talk about the show. So here we are.
00:32:36
Speaker 1: We're back back with our show ghost Town. So in this episode, it's about being haunted by your exes. But Miranda also thinks that she might have an actual ghost, which is kind of funny and I've forgotten all about it. But she's in bed alone with her cats, and she said to the girls the next day that her cat, Fatty is the cat's name, which I'd also forgotten heard the ghost as well, Yeah, it looks right. The cats aw like looking around. And then she says she tells the girls later that she got these super to let her in upstairs and then nobody living there, right, And they kind of play slightly eerie music and it's like a whole different vibe for our show. And I really enjoyed it. And I also didn't remember it, so I was like, what is going to happen? Yeah, but it's really just about the emotional memory of the exes, I think.
00:33:20
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, And it really does feel like you're haunted by your ghost by your desks, feel that way. I remember all feeling haunted by by my ex's in the past, Like I wouldn't go to certain places I was so afraid that they were going to be there. Well, in New York especially was going to remind me of the time when we were there together. Of course, so a couple of restaurants were haunted for me for a while, and I exercise them and certain.
00:33:47
Speaker 1: Blocks can talk to because you know where they walk and where they live, and you have to avoid those blocks. That's awkward. I hate that.
00:33:55
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.
00:33:56
Speaker 1: I was always happy when either I moved away or they moved away. In New York, you know, because like in LA you're in your car, so you don't have exactly the same way you You might have a restaurant worry, right, but you don't have the block, the neighborhood.
00:34:09
Speaker 2: The neighborhood that they have in New York. The day together totally.
00:34:15
Speaker 1: So stressful, so stressful. There was this one Brooklyn neighborhood that I always had back in the olden days pre show. I dated someone who had a like a brownstone I guess, or part of a brownstone in this one neighborhood in Brooklyn. And I didn't know Brooklyn at all. I had no reason to go to Brooklyn back there on the olden days. But this was it was really nice, and I was like, wow, this is very nice, you know, my naive self, this would be like nineteen ninety maybe. And then later on, when we were doing it just like that, my kids and I went and lived in Brooklyn, and I was like, is he here right, He's long gone? Okay, he's moved. Do you know what I mean? Intellectually I know this, but you just really feel like they're in the corner.
00:35:00
Speaker 2: You're gonna turn the corner and they're gonna be staying right there. It's gonna be horrible, and you're gonna be like, you know, and it's it's yeah.
00:35:09
Speaker 1: You guys, this is so much fun that we're gonna have to have a part two, so join us later in the week on Are You a Charlotte?
00:35:18
Speaker 2: Yeah,