Aug. 25, 2026
Three Generations Of Women Murdered In Horrific Oregon Familicide; Why Does This Keep Happening?
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RSS Feed We are learning more about the most recent, horrific mass murder involving a man taking out an entire family, and then taking his own life. Police say 36-year-old Benjamin Parker murdered his girlfriend, her mother, her grandmother, her best friend and boyfriend, along with the family’s pets and then drove 200 miles and killed himself. Parker had been living with the group in rural Oregon and right now, police have no motive for the crime.
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00:00:02
Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it is Tuesday, August twenty fifth. Then we can simply not believe we are talking about this again. A man has taken out an entire family in another instance of familicide. And with that, welcome to this episode of amy and tj Or say we weren't familiar or that familiar with this phrase, and say maybe the reason we're not is because it's not supposed to be happening that often. And now, Robes, we need to have this word on standby.
00:00:32
Speaker 2: Babe, this is chilling. I don't know what else to say.
00:00:35
Speaker 3: Each time this has happened over the last several months, and frankly in the last several weeks, we keep saying, uh, oh, are we seeing a trend here? Are we seeing something unfortunately catch on that is so horrific it's hard to imagine it would be enticing in any way, shape or form. And yet I don't think we can ignore how often this is happening again in a similar part of the country, in very similar fashion, at the hands of the exact same type of perpetrator.
00:01:07
Speaker 1: Are we missing something here? Is this really there? They said it after school shootings, You're gonna have copycats You're gonna have people who will get inspired, who people who are upset, kids who look at that as a way out and look at other people who have done it. And right, we said that, and I think there's a there's no doubt robes that people believe. Yes, that absolutely happened, and plenty of kids have written school shooters have written in honor of other school shooters. Robes. I do not like. We are not sociologists here, We are not folks who are studying these patterns. How can these not robes? How can we not say now that something is happening to where you can reel all five, six, seven freaking familicide instances in the past three months. How is how can we say this is coincidence now?
00:02:04
Speaker 2: Is what I'm It doesn't feel like that at all.
00:02:06
Speaker 3: And just how quickly these are starting to add up and pile up and stack up up against one another. It's it's it takes your breath away because this is awful. And in this case, three generations of women are gone and that is appalling.
00:02:26
Speaker 2: And yes, this, in.
00:02:28
Speaker 3: This particular case, we are talking about Benjamin Parker, thirty six years old, and yes he is now and he ended up killing himself at the end of it all, but identified as the murderer in a quintuple homicide. I hate ton't even have a term for it, but yes, he killed five people who he was living with and then drove, for whatever reason, two hundred miles and killed himself.
00:02:59
Speaker 1: We don't have a motive here, Robes. We don't know the circumstances at all. We're just getting the identities of the victims. But you said this earlier always comes up some triggering events, and oftentimes the most dangerous time for a woman is when she decides to end the relationship. We don't know what was going on here, but Romes, when it comes to familiar side, something that we have been learning in our study recently is that something breaks the norm and it's all I mean, I think in one hundred percent of the cases there is the person is going has a divorce, the person just lost their jobs, there's some break in their normal to which.
00:03:40
Speaker 2: Someone dumps you, breaks up with you, and it's.
00:03:42
Speaker 1: Tied to humiliation a lot of times for the man who can't keep up appearances or something. Don't know what happened in this one, but Romes, what would possess a guy. He shot his girlfriend, girlfriend's mom, the grandmom, the best friend, the boyfriend of the best friend, took out the dogs, and the cats.
00:04:01
Speaker 2: Took out the family pets.
00:04:03
Speaker 3: That really shows Look, I know, obviously the loss of human life is the thing that is the most atrocious, but to go so far as to also kill the cats and dogs.
00:04:14
Speaker 2: Like that's just that's like serial killer.
00:04:17
Speaker 3: It just I don't even know, it's just so like you when you take out a non threat. I think, on top of all of that human life, it's just why, there's just a big glaring hole of why.
00:04:31
Speaker 1: It adds a disturbing element, right, no one, obviously human life is the most tragic we have here, but ropes there is something about it that turns this into a different macabre, a different a different level for whatever reason. And the two hundred miles thing you talked about, why did he drive? Was he trying to get away and change his mind? We don't know what This incident first came to our attention on what Saturday is when the bodies were first found robes and for a little while they had a mind manhunt going on.
00:05:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did not know, you know, where he was. I think They identified him pretty quickly. He lived with the group. He was the only one missing, so they identified him, but they did not know where he was because the bodies were found in Forest Grove, Oregon. That's about thirty miles west of Portland, just for your perspective. And then he was found and I can never say the name of this town in Washington state, kind of near.
00:05:27
Speaker 1: Seattle, oh, Edamclaw.
00:05:28
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm sorry, Yeah, enum Claw, Enumclaw, and so yeah, almost two hundred miles away from where he was living, where the crime scene was. And none of that makes any sense. And the connection obviously is Yes, one of the victims was the girlfriend he lived with. I mean this was her grandmother's home. He was taken into this home, allowed to live with these women who were proudly there in this rural property. So yes, Stella Jade Kimsey was his girlfriend's name, twenty six years old. He killed her mother, Rowan Carla Kimsey. He killed her grandmother, eighty five year old Mary Elizabeth Kimsey, and again the owner of that home. Then her best friend Lindsey May Haroldson was there twenty six and her boyfriend Alvin Raymond Chu who was twenty seven, took all of them out, and the call that or they found the body is early early early, correct, like five point thirty in the morning. So this looks like this maybe one of these cases where look, how would you take out all those people while they were sleeping? Is usually when we see stuff like this happen. But we have not heard from police how he killed these victims, but we know that he killed two cats, two dogs. They found a cat this was also just so sad, that was still alive. They brought it to the vet, tried to save it, and they said the cat's injuries were so catastrophic that they ended up having to euthanize that cat.
00:06:55
Speaker 1: Again, that's say that details, just what that detail, and you know what, something I appreciate it that they tried to save the CAD's life.
00:07:03
Speaker 2: And then something I do too.
00:07:06
Speaker 1: All this rose this. We don't know what happened, but like you said and mentioned about the timing of it, all I don't know, but this eighty five year old woman certainly stands out like why are you I don't.
00:07:20
Speaker 2: Know what happened in that opened up her home to you?
00:07:24
Speaker 3: What happened she allowed you to live on her property in her home. And this is what you do because I don't know, Stella broke up with you, Stella pissed you off.
00:07:34
Speaker 2: And maybe who Sella said something you didn't like.
00:07:36
Speaker 3: Look, we don't know, but you know, that might be the most likely conclusion you could come to, because it's hard to imagine what else could have set him off.
00:07:47
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yees, she was twenty six, he was thirty six, and we.
00:07:51
Speaker 3: Don't know a lot about him, and we're hoping to get more information because this is something. Look, and we've we've heard from the sheriff on the scene. I believe he said something to the effect in his twenty two years on the job, he has never seen something like this. He's never seen a crime scene so complex is how he put it. So that would lead us to believe that there is and there are some important details that they're trying to figure out to put together what exactly happened and why it happened, and how it happened and all of that, because obviously this is not a community or an area that is used to seeing anything like this.
00:08:29
Speaker 1: Oh nowhere, no one is, yes, no matter what I mean, most police officers, I would suspect. Never seen anything like this. I had to roll up on five people dead in the same place. This is a property, a rural property, so it could be sprawling. It could be folks spaced out all over the place. Who knows, but my goodness, here we're dealing with another in roxact. I think as soon as because we talked about this yesterday after he was found and yesterday's morning run think, wow, really, here we go again, and we didn't do a fuller episode, and we're gonna do more on it. We're like, yeah, let's wait for the details. We don't exactly know what's happening, but we couldn't imagine this happening again. But then we couldn't imagine any other scenario because this is in line. It happened again. You've said that to me once a week for the past several weeks. I have it happened again. It happened again. Familicide. Familicide quote the crime of killing members of close family, such as your partner and children. I think robes and all the ones we've seen previously, they did involve children or young children. Yes, this is one. He takes out a family. He takes out a family We will remind you, though, folks, when you stay here in just a second, of those other recent ones, and some of them will sound familiar to you because they made major headlines, and they made major headlines very recently.
00:10:08
Speaker 3: Welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ. As we talk about this latest and I hate to even say that, but latest horrific mass murder familicide that we have seen in recent weeks, and there have been several. We just reported on the situation just outside of Minneapolis where a father goes in with a screwdriver, kills his wife, kills his seven year old daughter, kills his mother beforehand, and then ends up shooting himself.
00:10:37
Speaker 2: That just happened a short while ago.
00:10:40
Speaker 3: And it's just hard to get your head around because before that, we had a situation in Michigan, in Iowa and Louisiana. I mean, it's just this has been a horrific past couple of weeks and months.
00:10:54
Speaker 1: Am I finally saying right, Karlkowitz? Yes, Okay, that was a really shocking one with a guy took out six kids. They were all between the ages of five and fifteen. I do believe that was in ju July. Was that one that was in Michigan, and that was a guy. He killed his wife as well. But what was this? He had just lost a pretty significant job a mile what a month.
00:11:15
Speaker 3: Prior, yes, a few weeks prior, and then decided to just literally take out his entire family in Iowa, Ryan McFarland in June so the month before, killed six family members, three of them his own children.
00:11:32
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm forgetting the one in Kansas. Jesus see that just happened what two weeks ago? Yes, killed four kids. They were all between the ages were three, five, seven, and nine, and his wife.
00:11:43
Speaker 2: In Kansas, and that was also in July.
00:11:46
Speaker 1: We're forgetting someone.
00:11:47
Speaker 2: Because there are so many.
00:11:49
Speaker 3: And then in Louisiana and April, Shamar Elkins shot and killed eight kids, seven of them his own. He was literally chasing them down and killing them. So, look, I think we just need four or five just in the last few months, and certainly I think we were up to three or four just this summer. And we had never heard of this before that, I mean, it was so rare. Yes, obviously we could go back and think of Chris Watts in twenty eighteen killing his wife and two kids. Scott Peterson obviously killing Lacey, his pregnant wife, his son Connor, unborn son Connor.
00:12:21
Speaker 2: But you have to go back to find those.
00:12:23
Speaker 3: These are just happening one after the other after the other, and they have some very similar patterns.
00:12:32
Speaker 1: Rose once we started putting these together and reading what has been limited but some research on this. The idea that most of these guys, they say, have this thing in common. They don't handle humiliation. Well, guys are have a facade, They have some public image or some idea of what family, of what manhood, of what all this is supposed to look like, and if anything rattles that they can't deal. I say, these are normal guy, A lot of college educated can function in society just fine. And to see that they all have that in common. That almost always white men, even though the one in Kansas recently and then Shamar Elkins both black guys. In those two cases, they are insecure and controlling. Again, rob, do they this is a that makes sense?
00:13:23
Speaker 2: It does, but it's so frightening.
00:13:24
Speaker 3: I'm thinking as a woman, even we all have daughters, and to think that you can have red flags and think, ooh he's a little controlling. He seems a little insecure, quick to anger, very defensive. But where is where? How do you go from operating normally and then all of a sudden snapping and it takes you to a homicidal state of mind? I mean, look, I had said this before. If you're that upset and you're that humiliated, this is awful. But why can't you just kill yourself? Why do you have to take every one else out with you? That is where I don't get it, Because most of these men don't have a criminal history of violence, They don't have a history of domestic violence at all. So those types of warning signs that you might think would be there aren't in most of these cases. And that's what makes it so scary, because how do you anticipate this as a woman, how do you think about this when you're choosing a mate, or you're choosing someone to bring into your hole to sleep next to. It's frightening because oftentimes these are educated, successful, family oriented men.
00:14:38
Speaker 1: What was I mean? You can still see what's his name, Chris.
00:14:40
Speaker 2: Chris Watts.
00:14:41
Speaker 1: You can see him now?
00:14:42
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, good booking went to the gym, playing with his little girls, acting like he was the most devoted dad and father, and sure, I get it, those men might have affairs. He had an affair, Okay, how do you go from that to killing and wiping out your family to go be with a woman?
00:14:59
Speaker 2: What is wrong? And what did we all miss?
00:15:01
Speaker 1: It was the idea they're about to be exposed and there was a like a they almost say, I don't know, it's not psychotic. That's always been thrown around a lot here in recent time coverage, But there is this psychological break for them to where they can't discern anymore what is right or wrong because their whole world has been turned upside that Oh my god, everybody's going to find out I'm not a good dad. Everybody's going to find out I'm not a good husband, everybody's going to find out I'm not that successful.
00:15:29
Speaker 3: Bro.
00:15:29
Speaker 1: If they say these guys do have some kind of a psychological break to where they can no longer discern their actions as being right or wrong in society, and what signs are there ahead of time, I don't know if they know, wow, but they have traits about it.
00:15:46
Speaker 3: But how do you Yeah, you just described like a huge percentage of the population, a white man who's insecure, is controlling and has difficulty with humiliation.
00:15:58
Speaker 1: It's a different episode for an episode.
00:16:01
Speaker 2: I'm sorry that would cover.
00:16:03
Speaker 3: I would go with fifty percent of men at least, I mean, and obviously this is a small percentage who go into this other place. But my god, that's just frightening to think we don't really know what separates them until a moment happens, there's some sort of catalyst, and then you learn and find out too late.
00:16:22
Speaker 1: And now we've got another one. Plenty of questions still being asked. I believe they have. I'm not sure. Oh no, it'll be later. It's very early here as we do this recording, but I think they have a press conference scheduled out there today. We are keeping an eye on this one, folks, and maybe this is one Familia side. We all need to be keeping more of an eye on Rope because you have. It's one of the things I can look forward to once a week from you. I cannot believe we can call it every week. She's gonna say we got another one.
00:16:53
Speaker 3: Right, Let's hope we can end that all right, and without everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us.
00:16:58
Speaker 2: I'm a me Roebuck along side t J. Holmes, we'll talk soon.
Speaker 1: Hey, the folks, it is Tuesday, August twenty fifth. Then we can simply not believe we are talking about this again. A man has taken out an entire family in another instance of familicide. And with that, welcome to this episode of amy and tj Or say we weren't familiar or that familiar with this phrase, and say maybe the reason we're not is because it's not supposed to be happening that often. And now, Robes, we need to have this word on standby.
00:00:32
Speaker 2: Babe, this is chilling. I don't know what else to say.
00:00:35
Speaker 3: Each time this has happened over the last several months, and frankly in the last several weeks, we keep saying, uh, oh, are we seeing a trend here? Are we seeing something unfortunately catch on that is so horrific it's hard to imagine it would be enticing in any way, shape or form. And yet I don't think we can ignore how often this is happening again in a similar part of the country, in very similar fashion, at the hands of the exact same type of perpetrator.
00:01:07
Speaker 1: Are we missing something here? Is this really there? They said it after school shootings, You're gonna have copycats You're gonna have people who will get inspired, who people who are upset, kids who look at that as a way out and look at other people who have done it. And right, we said that, and I think there's a there's no doubt robes that people believe. Yes, that absolutely happened, and plenty of kids have written school shooters have written in honor of other school shooters. Robes. I do not like. We are not sociologists here, We are not folks who are studying these patterns. How can these not robes? How can we not say now that something is happening to where you can reel all five, six, seven freaking familicide instances in the past three months. How is how can we say this is coincidence now?
00:02:04
Speaker 2: Is what I'm It doesn't feel like that at all.
00:02:06
Speaker 3: And just how quickly these are starting to add up and pile up and stack up up against one another. It's it's it takes your breath away because this is awful. And in this case, three generations of women are gone and that is appalling.
00:02:26
Speaker 2: And yes, this, in.
00:02:28
Speaker 3: This particular case, we are talking about Benjamin Parker, thirty six years old, and yes he is now and he ended up killing himself at the end of it all, but identified as the murderer in a quintuple homicide. I hate ton't even have a term for it, but yes, he killed five people who he was living with and then drove, for whatever reason, two hundred miles and killed himself.
00:02:59
Speaker 1: We don't have a motive here, Robes. We don't know the circumstances at all. We're just getting the identities of the victims. But you said this earlier always comes up some triggering events, and oftentimes the most dangerous time for a woman is when she decides to end the relationship. We don't know what was going on here, but Romes, when it comes to familiar side, something that we have been learning in our study recently is that something breaks the norm and it's all I mean, I think in one hundred percent of the cases there is the person is going has a divorce, the person just lost their jobs, there's some break in their normal to which.
00:03:40
Speaker 2: Someone dumps you, breaks up with you, and it's.
00:03:42
Speaker 1: Tied to humiliation a lot of times for the man who can't keep up appearances or something. Don't know what happened in this one, but Romes, what would possess a guy. He shot his girlfriend, girlfriend's mom, the grandmom, the best friend, the boyfriend of the best friend, took out the dogs, and the cats.
00:04:01
Speaker 2: Took out the family pets.
00:04:03
Speaker 3: That really shows Look, I know, obviously the loss of human life is the thing that is the most atrocious, but to go so far as to also kill the cats and dogs.
00:04:14
Speaker 2: Like that's just that's like serial killer.
00:04:17
Speaker 3: It just I don't even know, it's just so like you when you take out a non threat. I think, on top of all of that human life, it's just why, there's just a big glaring hole of why.
00:04:31
Speaker 1: It adds a disturbing element, right, no one, obviously human life is the most tragic we have here, but ropes there is something about it that turns this into a different macabre, a different a different level for whatever reason. And the two hundred miles thing you talked about, why did he drive? Was he trying to get away and change his mind? We don't know what This incident first came to our attention on what Saturday is when the bodies were first found robes and for a little while they had a mind manhunt going on.
00:05:00
Speaker 3: Yeah, they did not know, you know, where he was. I think They identified him pretty quickly. He lived with the group. He was the only one missing, so they identified him, but they did not know where he was because the bodies were found in Forest Grove, Oregon. That's about thirty miles west of Portland, just for your perspective. And then he was found and I can never say the name of this town in Washington state, kind of near.
00:05:27
Speaker 1: Seattle, oh, Edamclaw.
00:05:28
Speaker 3: Sorry, I'm sorry, Yeah, enum Claw, Enumclaw, and so yeah, almost two hundred miles away from where he was living, where the crime scene was. And none of that makes any sense. And the connection obviously is Yes, one of the victims was the girlfriend he lived with. I mean this was her grandmother's home. He was taken into this home, allowed to live with these women who were proudly there in this rural property. So yes, Stella Jade Kimsey was his girlfriend's name, twenty six years old. He killed her mother, Rowan Carla Kimsey. He killed her grandmother, eighty five year old Mary Elizabeth Kimsey, and again the owner of that home. Then her best friend Lindsey May Haroldson was there twenty six and her boyfriend Alvin Raymond Chu who was twenty seven, took all of them out, and the call that or they found the body is early early early, correct, like five point thirty in the morning. So this looks like this maybe one of these cases where look, how would you take out all those people while they were sleeping? Is usually when we see stuff like this happen. But we have not heard from police how he killed these victims, but we know that he killed two cats, two dogs. They found a cat this was also just so sad, that was still alive. They brought it to the vet, tried to save it, and they said the cat's injuries were so catastrophic that they ended up having to euthanize that cat.
00:06:55
Speaker 1: Again, that's say that details, just what that detail, and you know what, something I appreciate it that they tried to save the CAD's life.
00:07:03
Speaker 2: And then something I do too.
00:07:06
Speaker 1: All this rose this. We don't know what happened, but like you said and mentioned about the timing of it, all I don't know, but this eighty five year old woman certainly stands out like why are you I don't.
00:07:20
Speaker 2: Know what happened in that opened up her home to you?
00:07:24
Speaker 3: What happened she allowed you to live on her property in her home. And this is what you do because I don't know, Stella broke up with you, Stella pissed you off.
00:07:34
Speaker 2: And maybe who Sella said something you didn't like.
00:07:36
Speaker 3: Look, we don't know, but you know, that might be the most likely conclusion you could come to, because it's hard to imagine what else could have set him off.
00:07:47
Speaker 2: I don't know, but yees, she was twenty six, he was thirty six, and we.
00:07:51
Speaker 3: Don't know a lot about him, and we're hoping to get more information because this is something. Look, and we've we've heard from the sheriff on the scene. I believe he said something to the effect in his twenty two years on the job, he has never seen something like this. He's never seen a crime scene so complex is how he put it. So that would lead us to believe that there is and there are some important details that they're trying to figure out to put together what exactly happened and why it happened, and how it happened and all of that, because obviously this is not a community or an area that is used to seeing anything like this.
00:08:29
Speaker 1: Oh nowhere, no one is, yes, no matter what I mean, most police officers, I would suspect. Never seen anything like this. I had to roll up on five people dead in the same place. This is a property, a rural property, so it could be sprawling. It could be folks spaced out all over the place. Who knows, but my goodness, here we're dealing with another in roxact. I think as soon as because we talked about this yesterday after he was found and yesterday's morning run think, wow, really, here we go again, and we didn't do a fuller episode, and we're gonna do more on it. We're like, yeah, let's wait for the details. We don't exactly know what's happening, but we couldn't imagine this happening again. But then we couldn't imagine any other scenario because this is in line. It happened again. You've said that to me once a week for the past several weeks. I have it happened again. It happened again. Familicide. Familicide quote the crime of killing members of close family, such as your partner and children. I think robes and all the ones we've seen previously, they did involve children or young children. Yes, this is one. He takes out a family. He takes out a family We will remind you, though, folks, when you stay here in just a second, of those other recent ones, and some of them will sound familiar to you because they made major headlines, and they made major headlines very recently.
00:10:08
Speaker 3: Welcome back everyone to Amy and TJ. As we talk about this latest and I hate to even say that, but latest horrific mass murder familicide that we have seen in recent weeks, and there have been several. We just reported on the situation just outside of Minneapolis where a father goes in with a screwdriver, kills his wife, kills his seven year old daughter, kills his mother beforehand, and then ends up shooting himself.
00:10:37
Speaker 2: That just happened a short while ago.
00:10:40
Speaker 3: And it's just hard to get your head around because before that, we had a situation in Michigan, in Iowa and Louisiana. I mean, it's just this has been a horrific past couple of weeks and months.
00:10:54
Speaker 1: Am I finally saying right, Karlkowitz? Yes, Okay, that was a really shocking one with a guy took out six kids. They were all between the ages of five and fifteen. I do believe that was in ju July. Was that one that was in Michigan, and that was a guy. He killed his wife as well. But what was this? He had just lost a pretty significant job a mile what a month.
00:11:15
Speaker 3: Prior, yes, a few weeks prior, and then decided to just literally take out his entire family in Iowa, Ryan McFarland in June so the month before, killed six family members, three of them his own children.
00:11:32
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm forgetting the one in Kansas. Jesus see that just happened what two weeks ago? Yes, killed four kids. They were all between the ages were three, five, seven, and nine, and his wife.
00:11:43
Speaker 2: In Kansas, and that was also in July.
00:11:46
Speaker 1: We're forgetting someone.
00:11:47
Speaker 2: Because there are so many.
00:11:49
Speaker 3: And then in Louisiana and April, Shamar Elkins shot and killed eight kids, seven of them his own. He was literally chasing them down and killing them. So, look, I think we just need four or five just in the last few months, and certainly I think we were up to three or four just this summer. And we had never heard of this before that, I mean, it was so rare. Yes, obviously we could go back and think of Chris Watts in twenty eighteen killing his wife and two kids. Scott Peterson obviously killing Lacey, his pregnant wife, his son Connor, unborn son Connor.
00:12:21
Speaker 2: But you have to go back to find those.
00:12:23
Speaker 3: These are just happening one after the other after the other, and they have some very similar patterns.
00:12:32
Speaker 1: Rose once we started putting these together and reading what has been limited but some research on this. The idea that most of these guys, they say, have this thing in common. They don't handle humiliation. Well, guys are have a facade, They have some public image or some idea of what family, of what manhood, of what all this is supposed to look like, and if anything rattles that they can't deal. I say, these are normal guy, A lot of college educated can function in society just fine. And to see that they all have that in common. That almost always white men, even though the one in Kansas recently and then Shamar Elkins both black guys. In those two cases, they are insecure and controlling. Again, rob, do they this is a that makes sense?
00:13:23
Speaker 2: It does, but it's so frightening.
00:13:24
Speaker 3: I'm thinking as a woman, even we all have daughters, and to think that you can have red flags and think, ooh he's a little controlling. He seems a little insecure, quick to anger, very defensive. But where is where? How do you go from operating normally and then all of a sudden snapping and it takes you to a homicidal state of mind? I mean, look, I had said this before. If you're that upset and you're that humiliated, this is awful. But why can't you just kill yourself? Why do you have to take every one else out with you? That is where I don't get it, Because most of these men don't have a criminal history of violence, They don't have a history of domestic violence at all. So those types of warning signs that you might think would be there aren't in most of these cases. And that's what makes it so scary, because how do you anticipate this as a woman, how do you think about this when you're choosing a mate, or you're choosing someone to bring into your hole to sleep next to. It's frightening because oftentimes these are educated, successful, family oriented men.
00:14:38
Speaker 1: What was I mean? You can still see what's his name, Chris.
00:14:40
Speaker 2: Chris Watts.
00:14:41
Speaker 1: You can see him now?
00:14:42
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, good booking went to the gym, playing with his little girls, acting like he was the most devoted dad and father, and sure, I get it, those men might have affairs. He had an affair, Okay, how do you go from that to killing and wiping out your family to go be with a woman?
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Speaker 2: What is wrong? And what did we all miss?
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Speaker 1: It was the idea they're about to be exposed and there was a like a they almost say, I don't know, it's not psychotic. That's always been thrown around a lot here in recent time coverage, But there is this psychological break for them to where they can't discern anymore what is right or wrong because their whole world has been turned upside that Oh my god, everybody's going to find out I'm not a good dad. Everybody's going to find out I'm not a good husband, everybody's going to find out I'm not that successful.
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Speaker 3: Bro.
00:15:29
Speaker 1: If they say these guys do have some kind of a psychological break to where they can no longer discern their actions as being right or wrong in society, and what signs are there ahead of time, I don't know if they know, wow, but they have traits about it.
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Speaker 3: But how do you Yeah, you just described like a huge percentage of the population, a white man who's insecure, is controlling and has difficulty with humiliation.
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Speaker 1: It's a different episode for an episode.
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry that would cover.
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Speaker 3: I would go with fifty percent of men at least, I mean, and obviously this is a small percentage who go into this other place. But my god, that's just frightening to think we don't really know what separates them until a moment happens, there's some sort of catalyst, and then you learn and find out too late.
00:16:22
Speaker 1: And now we've got another one. Plenty of questions still being asked. I believe they have. I'm not sure. Oh no, it'll be later. It's very early here as we do this recording, but I think they have a press conference scheduled out there today. We are keeping an eye on this one, folks, and maybe this is one Familia side. We all need to be keeping more of an eye on Rope because you have. It's one of the things I can look forward to once a week from you. I cannot believe we can call it every week. She's gonna say we got another one.
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Speaker 3: Right, Let's hope we can end that all right, and without everyone, we always appreciate you listening to us.
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Speaker 2: I'm a me Roebuck along side t J. Holmes, we'll talk soon.